[01:39] <Twigathy> woo, new kernel day c_c
[01:45] <richardcavell> How do I enable multi-touch gestures, such as two-fingered vertical scrolling, on my trackpad?
[01:45] <yofel> richardcavell: that should be enabled by default afaik, but I guess you're suffering from bug 404219
[01:46] <richardcavell> yofel: oh, okay
[01:46] <richardcavell> I tried adding a file to /etc/hal/fdi/policy to explicitly enable it but it did no good
[01:47] <yofel> richardcavell: heh, won't help since it gets disabled by gnome after that :/
[01:47] <richardcavell> yeah
[02:04] <drs305> richardcavell: Can you use your touchpad at all?
[02:04] <narg> Does anyone know if intel drivers are fixed in karmic?
[02:04] <richardcavell> drs305: yes
[02:04] <drs305> ok
[02:05] <richardcavell> drs305: it works quite well but I just can't do two-fingered scrolling
[02:05] <richardcavell> narg: yes I think so
[02:05] <richardcavell> narg: I've got an Intel GMA 950 and it seems to work so much better under Karmic than Jaunty
[02:05] <drs305> I had to mess with gsynaptics and a startup script to get my touchpad to work at all, which is why I asked.
[02:05] <narg> richardcavell: woot! I've tried a variety of solutions on jaunty and nothing consistantly works.
[02:07] <richardcavell> narg: nah, it doesn't.  I've tried to.  Karmic is alpha software - I get programs crashing every now and then - but it's quite useable.
[02:07] <narg> richardcavell: Well, I might as well try. Thanks for the info
[02:07] <yofel> narg: intel does work much better in karmic than it did in jaunty, but note that it now only supports UXA and there are still some issues related to KMS, you can disable kms though
[02:08] <narg> ok, thanks all
[02:45] <Sarvatt> synclient VertTwoFingerScroll=1 works as well until the whole g-s-d mess is worked out
[02:48] <Sickki> any ideas how to fix karmic koala installation failing with those error messages? http://pastebin.com/m6b389a43
[02:50] <virtuald> och på svenska? :p
[02:50] <virtuald> what does it say?
[02:50] <Sickki> finnish
[02:51] <virtuald> please translate to english
[02:51] <Sickki> usb-creator-gtk is not ok for installation
[02:52] <Sickki> using x64 with alternative installation with LVM encrypted discs
[02:52] <Sickki> grub wont install either maybe becouse installation process aborts becouse usb-creator-gtk
[02:52] <virtuald> same as me, trying upgrade here to see if i get it too
[02:53] <virtuald> it probably means it's not uploaded yet
[02:53] <Sickki> yeah i guess its better stay with jaunty :p
[02:53] <Sickki> going install that now
[02:53] <virtuald> ok
[02:53] <virtuald> yeah if you need a working system use that
[03:00] <Sickki> working server system would be nice :p
[03:05] <glennwhip> when i boot to the 2.6.31 kernel i don't have wireless connection
[03:06] <glennwhip> ??
[03:06] <glennwhip> my old 2.6.28 kernels work but not the new
[03:06] <yofel> glennwhip: what wireless card?
[03:06] <glennwhip> atheros
[03:06] <glennwhip> madwifi
[03:07] <glennwhip> i upgraded jaunty to karmic everything works except wireless
[03:09] <yofel> glennwhip: did you need the restricted drivers for the card?
[03:09] <billybigrigger> might have to check dkms if you do
[03:09] <yofel> (I don't have an atheros card, so I'm trying to guess what the reason might be)
[03:09] <yofel> billybigrigger: yeah, but that alone won't get him the driver
[03:09] <glennwhip> how do i do find out
[03:09] <billybigrigger> no it won't
[03:10] <yofel> glennwhip: you might want to try to install atl2-source
[03:10]  * billybigrigger looks at his disassembled laptop
[03:10] <billybigrigger> i must 'er
[03:10] <yofel> what are you doing? o.O
[03:10] <billybigrigger> s/must/miss
[03:11] <glennwhip> i tried installing madwifi-trunk-r4079-20090712 driver from their site and still didn't work
[03:11] <billybigrigger> what is who doing?
[03:11] <yofel> billybigrigger: you with you laptop...
[03:11] <billybigrigger> nothing...just looking at it
[03:11] <glennwhip> strange thing is the 2.6.28 kernel in jaunty has that built into the kernel
[03:11] <yofel> 04:10:34  * billybigrigger looks at his disassembled laptop
[03:12] <billybigrigger> i dropped/stomped it accidentally on my vacation in april
[03:12] <billybigrigger> came home a little too drunk
[03:12] <yofel> ouch...
[03:13] <billybigrigger> thought i just smashed the lcd so i replaced it to find that wasn't the problem
[03:13] <yofel> glennwhip: do you remember which driver that was?
[03:13] <Sarvatt> you've got the ath5k modules blacklisted from the previous install no doubt, and you need to remove the blacklist so the kernel atheros modules will work
[03:13] <billybigrigger> now it's %100 dissasembled with a cracked system board :P
[03:13] <billybigrigger> too broke to buy a new one
[03:13] <yofel> my condolences
[03:13] <billybigrigger> may she RIP
[03:13] <billybigrigger> :P
[03:14] <glennwhip> i went to /etc/modules and removed the blacklist on ath5k still didn't work
[03:14] <billybigrigger> buddy has a similar model, so i think i'll hold on to the new screen, ram, bluray drive and hdd for him...when his craps out
[03:14] <billybigrigger> :P
[03:14] <Sarvatt> its /etc/modprobe.d/something
[03:15] <Sarvatt> try cd /etc/modprobe.d/ && grep -R "ath5k" .
[03:16] <glennwhip> sorry it was modprobe.d
[03:17] <Sarvatt> its probably getting blacklisted in multiple files in there because of all the ways you installed external drivers
[03:18] <Sarvatt> you shouldnt need any external wifi drivers anymore, things have come a long way since 2.6.28 even..
[03:18] <Sarvatt> *for atheros
[03:20] <glennwhip> Sarvatt: that's why i can't figure it out, working in .28 but not in .31
[03:21] <Sarvatt> sounds like you upgraded while still having the madwifi drivers installed which keeps the blacklist for the kernel drivers in place
[03:21] <Sarvatt> did that command i said turn up anything?
[03:22] <Sarvatt> its kind of complicated now by you having installed madwifi so you'll need to blacklist the madwifi modules as well to use the kernel ones
[03:22] <glennwhip> i ran that command and it just sits there not doing anything
[03:22] <Sarvatt> did you forget the . at the end?
[03:22] <glennwhip> yes hold on
[03:24] <glennwhip> which ath5k cannot recover. To prevent this condition, stop
[03:24] <Sarvatt> thats the only one?
[03:24] <glennwhip> that's what it said when i ran the command
[03:26] <Sarvatt> yea that means there isnt anything blacklisting it at least, can you run this and upload it to pastebin? lsmod > ~/Desktop/wifi.txt && dmesg >> ~/Desktop/wifi.txt
[03:27] <glennwhip> do i need sudo?
[03:27] <Sarvatt> nope
[03:30] <yofel> Sarvatt: didn't yet hear of pastebinit?
[03:31] <glennwhip> http://en.pastebin.ca/1507491
[03:33] <Sarvatt> hmm, looks like its working fine there using the kernel driver on the jaunty 2.6.28 kernel even..
[03:33] <Sarvatt> try to sudo rmmod acer-wmi when you boot the karmic kernel
[03:33] <Sarvatt> it could be disabling it via rfkill on your laptop, it does that on mine if acer-wmi is loaded and wifi lites up as soon as I rmmod it
[03:34] <Sarvatt> of course if you compiled madwifi on the karmic kernel you're going to need to manually go in and blacklist those modules from loading
[03:35] <DanaG> sudo rfkill
[03:35] <DanaG> new command
[03:35] <glennwhip> i'll try rebooting to the karmic kernel and  "sudo rmmod acer-wmi" will take a few minutes to see if works
[03:35] <Sarvatt> sorry its acer_wmi
[03:36] <Sarvatt> oh nice DanaG
[03:36] <Sarvatt> if it doesnt work, run those commands under the non working setup so we can see why its not working
[03:36] <Sarvatt> the wifi.txt one
[03:36] <glennwhip> ok be back in a few
[03:39] <DanaG> rfkill list
[03:39] <DanaG> in my case, I have 4: one HP-wifi, one HP-bluetooth, one phy0 wifi, and one hci0 bluetooth.
[03:40] <DanaG> Yeah, it's a bit redundant, though the former trumps the latter.
[03:40] <Sarvatt> thats really nice being able to list it
[03:50] <syn-ack> 19 Second boot time
[03:50] <syn-ack> w00t
[04:04] <Sickki-> what the hell
[04:04] <Sickki-> now even jaunty wont work
[04:04] <Sickki-> installations goes fine without errors but when it will boot grub go to somekind minimal state and wont even show bootmenu
[04:06] <richardcavell> Sickki-: I just joined the channel. Did you recently repartition or install something?
[04:06] <Sickki-> yeah i tryed karmic koala first
[04:06] <richardcavell> You installed it?
[04:06] <Sickki-> yeah but it failed so i tryed now jaunty
[04:06] <Sickki-> that wont work either
[04:07] <richardcavell> you mean just that GRUB won't boot?
[04:07] <Sickki-> grub boots but its go to somekind minimal state i can write commands
[04:07] <richardcavell> reinstall GRUB
[04:07] <Sickki-> i tryed that, no help
[04:07] <richardcavell> sometimes it doesn't work for me when I reinstall GRUB
[04:07] <Sickki-> all files are on /boot/grub/ and menu.lst seems to be ok
[04:07] <richardcavell> so I have to do it again
[04:07] <richardcavell> or do it via grub-install
[04:08] <Sickki-> well i did now dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdc
[04:08] <Sickki-> installing again...
[04:08] <Sickki-> i really hope that will solve it
[04:08] <richardcavell> okay
[04:09] <yofel> huh? did I hear menu.lst?
[04:09] <yofel> karmic uses grub2 so there should be no menu.lst
[04:10] <richardcavell> yofel: but he then installed jaunty
[04:10] <richardcavell> GRUB2 seems to work *so* much better on my MacBook
[04:10] <yofel> aaaah ok, forget what I said then :)
[04:10] <richardcavell> it even offers to boot OS X, though I didn't ask it to
[04:10] <richardcavell> I would almost consider replacing rEFIt
[04:14] <Kovert> I have an error so I can not update http://pastebin.com/d32a8d503
[04:14] <Kovert> I have tried forcing
[04:15] <yofel> Kovert: my guess would be that the package isn't built yet, wait a few hours and try again
[04:15] <Kovert> good idea thank you
[04:16] <Kovert> unfortunaly i can install anything with apt-get till it is installed
[04:18] <yofel> Kovert: you could try aptitude and check if that finds a resolution
[04:18] <Kovert> ok i iwll give it  try
[04:20] <Kovert> Sorry the program "aptBackend.phy" closed unexpectedly
[04:21] <Kovert> guess I iwll wait till tomorrow
[04:37] <Sickki-> now grub wont work at all
[04:52] <Sickki-> i found problem better
[04:53] <Sickki-> somereason grub wont load menu.lst without commanding it to do it
[04:53] <Sickki-> menuconfile /grub/menu.lst after that its load menu fine and system starts
[04:56] <Sickki-> richardcavell, somereason grub wont load menu.lst without commanding it to do it menuconfile /grub/menu.lst after that its load menu fine and system starts
[04:56] <Sickki-> any ideas? should i try grub 2?
[04:56] <richardcavell> Sickki-: I don't understand
[04:57] <Sickki-> well when i start my computer grub goes minimal bash mode
[04:57] <richardcavell> Sickki-: Okay, are you trying to say that it won't give you a kernel selection menu?
[04:57] <Sickki-> yes
[04:57] <richardcavell> Sickki-: can you pastebin your menu.lst?
[04:57] <Sickki-> i got it to boot writing this command: menuconffile /grub/menu.lst
[04:58] <richardcavell> In Update Manager, I have deselected "Sources", but it downloads the Source code repositories anyway.  Is this a known issue?
[04:58] <Sickki-> http://pastebin.com/m3a4ba40b
[04:59] <richardcavell> Sickki-: well, you've set it up to not show you the kernel selection menu
[04:59] <richardcavell> so it's giving you the expected behaviour, isn't it?
[04:59] <Sickki-> richardcavell, its totally made by installer?
[04:59] <richardcavell> Sickki-: hmmm
[05:00] <richardcavell> Sickki-: okay well it's "hiddenmenu" that's the issue
[05:00] <richardcavell> Sickki-: can you see that?  it's the second entry
[05:00] <Sickki-> yeah it should not show menu but it should boot automaticly to default 0
[05:00] <Sickki-> but it wont do that
[05:00] <richardcavell> Sickki-: All the lines that start with # are ignored
[05:00] <richardcavell> Sickki-: so you want it to not give you a menu but boot to the first option?
[05:01] <Sickki-> yes
[05:01] <Sickki-> like it would normally work but now its go to bash grub system where i need write commands to get it boot
[05:02] <virtuald> is there any error message?
[05:02] <Sickki-> no
[05:02] <Sickki-> it will just only show what you would get by writing: grub
[05:02] <virtuald> weird
[05:02] <Sickki-> yeah well lets test grub 2 :P
[05:03] <Sickki-> it was on jaunty packages
[05:03] <richardcavell> Sickki-: have you manually checked everything on that line?
[05:03] <virtuald> works for me :>
[05:03] <richardcavell> Sickki-: or, yeah, just install GRUB 2
[05:03] <richardcavell> GRUB 2 seems an order of magnitude more sophisticated
[05:07] <coz_> guys  I noticed in juanty that /usr/X11R6/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -noliste tcp vt7 had been taking up nearly 70% cpu at one point...it was then fixed...and now it is at a constand 7% when system idle...far too much and  I was hoping that karmic is not going to have this issue?
[05:23] <mac_v> hi all... I'v installed Karmic aplha 3 and not able to enable tap for click
[05:24] <mac_v> i'v installed , gpointing-device-settings , how do i run the GUI?
[05:24] <Sickki-> installing grub 2 fixed the problem
[05:25] <rww> mac_v: dunno how to find it in the menu, but running "gpointing-device-settings
[05:25] <rww> " in alt-f2 or in a terminal should work.
[05:26] <mac_v> rww: ah... but weird ... alt-f2 doesnt work! , access from terminal works , thanx
[06:11] <tanath> i can't seem to burn isos
[06:11] <tanath> brasero says there's no disc inserted
[06:12] <tanath> k3b gave an unknown error (255)
[06:15] <mac_v> anyone know about hotkeys? i installed karmic both / and /home on a single partition , and found everything working perfectly, including hotkeys, so i re-installed Karmic with / on a separate partition and used my jaunty /home as the /home for Karmic also, but now the hotkeys dont work! anyone know where in my /home this error lies?
[06:16] <tanath> 'wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.'
[06:16] <richardcavell> mac_v: is it in xmodmap?
[06:16] <richardcavell> look for ~/.xmodmap directory
[06:16]  * mac_v looks
[06:17] <mac_v> richardcavell: nope... i dont have the folder
[06:17] <tanath> wodim: OPC failed.
[06:18] <richardcavell> mac_v: well then I can't help you.
[06:18] <mac_v> :(
[06:18] <Sarvatt> i'm going to just take a guess.. .gconf :D
[06:19]  * mac_v sifting through the deluge of ~/.gconf
[06:21] <Sarvatt> so many things it could be
[06:25] <Sickki-> whee now i have jaunty with ext4 / and /boot also grub 2 :)
[06:25] <Sickki-> should be easy to upgrade to karmic koala when it will be released
[06:27] <QPrime> has anyone noticed immediate ext4 corruption on install of karmic alpha3?  on first reboot fsck repairs the fs issue and all seems well, but strange nevertheless.
[06:28] <QPrime> so far I've seen it on a vm install (twice) and on bare hardware.
[06:31] <tanath> ah, nvm. seems it was locked by another app >.<
[06:33] <rvn> is 9.10 to a point where one can test it an expect it not to break instantly?
[06:37] <Sickki-> let me warn you rvn you will face alot problems with 9.10
[06:37] <Sickki-> i wont do again mistake and upgrade jaunty to karmic
[06:39] <rvn> i ran 8.10 during alpha and it was fantastic and i had no problems
[06:39] <rvn> was just thinkin
[06:39] <rvn> :P
[06:40] <Sickki-> install jaunty with ext4 / and /boot and grub 2 like me so then its easy to have all features from 8.10 when its final
[06:40] <Sickki-> just upgrade packages
[06:59] <cwillu> rvn, it's almost always in that state, even from the early alphas.  The trick is that it _will_ be broken once in a while, and nobody wants to hand-hold you through fixing things
[06:59] <cwillu> so, if an update breaks xorg and you aren't either willing to suffer with vesa for a while, or fix it yourself, than alphas aren't for you :p
[07:00] <cwillu> "the google-fu is strong with this one"
[07:01] <cwillu> QPrime, on the first mount of an ext4 filesystem there's a bunch of checksums that need to be generated; I'd expect that first fsck to be related to that
[07:01] <cwillu> (although I thought that only occurs with ext3->ext4 upgrades, but it's certainly a possibility)\
[07:04] <QPrime> cwillu: Thanks for the response.  I've never seen that at all with new ext4 partitions created outside of the Karmic alpha3 install.  I've taken a quick look on LP and didn't see anything related.  If I continue to notice it I'll file a report.
[07:06] <Sarvatt> i havent seen anything like that in 10+ ext4 karmic installs, maybe its not unmounting cleanly after the install and reboot on the a3 image? do you have something odd like an encrypted home folder maybe?
[07:09] <QPrime> Sarvatt: nope. 100% generic install.  VM is a dedicated 4GB HD image for testing, and the bare metal install is a multi-boot with mixed ext2/3/4 and NTFS partitions.  At first I thought it was perhaps related to the VM, but the bare metal install belies that.  I tend to agree that it may be shorting the umount at the end of install and the fs is marked as dirty.
[07:12] <cwillu> Sarvatt, I noticed that on the last two dailies I installed from
[07:13] <cwillu> both post alpha2, haven't done any fresh installs before that
[07:13] <cwillu> Sarvatt, (incidently, the acer laptop's been acting a bit different wrt suspend with 2.6.31, but I'm still not calling it 'working' :p)
[07:27] <mac_v> Sarvatt: hotkeys working great now... just have to reset all the other prefs... thanx
[07:35] <DPic> wow, i think it's been almost 24 hours and i haven't seen any updates
[07:35] <DPic> this rarely happens with an alpha
[07:40] <xtknight> anyone else getting bug 404767 ??
[07:43] <xtknight> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk+2.0/+bug/404767
[07:54] <Sarvatt> gotta hate weekends DPic :D
[07:54] <Sarvatt> (for updates)
[07:55] <Sarvatt> i go through packaging withdraws since all of x and mesa packages pretty much dont get touched on weekends too lol
[07:56] <DPic> Sarvatt, lazy sunday
[07:56] <DPic> woke up in the late afternoon
[08:44] <virtuald> is the whole sound system extremely unstable or is it just me?
[08:48] <nhasian> hey didnt i read somewhere there was a new and easier way to add a ppa key in ubuntu?
[08:50] <ruslanr> hm
[08:51] <ruslanr> I tried to add a PPA, and it's key added automatically
[08:52] <nhasian> it adds the key automatically now?  I thought you had to specify the ppa'a username somewhere...
[08:52] <ruslanr> yes, automatically :)
[08:52] <ruslanr> virtuald: I have some problems with Output Volume ;)
[08:54] <virtuald> yeah i get that too
[08:54] <virtuald> the new volume control is weird
[08:55] <ruslanr> virtuald: it's sets higher than 100%
[08:55] <virtuald> o.o
[08:55] <ruslanr> that's really weird! :)
[08:56] <nhasian> holy cow!  it did automatically import the ppa key.  oh my god that is soooo much easier
[08:56] <virtuald> i think it's a feature :p
[08:56] <virtuald> actually a buggy new feature
[08:57] <virtuald> it changes the app volume and output volume at the same time
[08:57] <DanaG> Yeah.  PulseAudio flat volumes.... way too damn confusing for me.
[08:57] <virtuald> but only shows the output volume, and it changes the app volume way too much
[08:58] <nhasian> no more copy/pasting a key into a text file and then importing it manually or sudo apt-key from the terminal..
[08:59] <ruslanr> nhasian: that's good :)
[08:59] <virtuald> nhasian: what did automatically import the key?
[09:00] <virtuald> the software sources thingy? or firefox?
[09:00] <ruslanr> virtuald: first one
[09:00] <virtuald> ok
[09:00] <nhasian> virtuald, i added a ppa from launchpad in software sources
[09:01] <nhasian> virtuald, previously it used to give an error message unless you provided the verification key
[09:01] <virtuald> ok
[09:02] <virtuald> i've always added sources through the terminal
[09:02] <nhasian> so is this new ppa key behavior exclusive to karmic?
[09:03] <ruslanr> I think so :)
[09:04] <ruslanr> but I haven't tried to do that in Jaunty :-/
[09:04] <nhasian> ruslanr, i noticed that all the instructions on the wiki and launchpad still mention the old way of adding the ppa key.  i couldnt find anything on the new way in google
[09:05] <ruslanr> maybe they will be updated after Karmic release
[09:05] <nhasian> proposed-backports :)
[09:05] <ruslanr> I forgot about that :)
[09:06] <nhasian> well i'm a happy camper now.  even empathy is working for me.  grub2, and ext4.
[09:06] <nhasian> only thing is i cant burn any cd/dvd since upgrading to the last kernel
[09:08] <ruslanr> ext4...
[09:08] <ruslanr> I'm still on ext3 :(
[09:08] <nhasian> it boots faster... and fsck is super fast, which is really helpful when your on a laptop
[09:09] <ruslanr> I heard some scary things about ext4
[09:10] <ruslanr> but it was when this fs was just announced :)
[09:15] <cwillu> ruslanr, the scary things about ext4 actually applied to reiserfs and xfs (and basically any other fs with delayed allocation)
[09:16] <ruslanr> cwillu: really? I need to get some information about delayed allocation
[09:16] <cwillu> ruslanr, a friends laptop that I managed had all sorts of random undeletable files due to the same issue (he ran reiserfs, with those showing up on a hard shutdown)
[09:16] <ruslanr> I've never used those filesystems
[09:16] <cwillu> ruslanr, it's been fixed, renaming a file over an existing file triggers a sync now, which covers pretty much all cases that aren't apps being completely dumb
[09:17] <ruslanr> glad to hear that :)
[09:17] <cwillu> but ext4 was the first filesystem with enough normal humans using it for anyone to make a big fuss :)
[09:17] <ruslanr> cwillu: thanks for explanation :)
[09:18]  * cwillu grumbles :p
[09:29]  * mac_v waiting for cwillu to sing ;P
[09:29]  * mac_v couldnt resist ;p
[09:30] <mac_v> cwillu: actually i had to control not to say that on the printer bug ;p
[09:36] <mac_v> ruslanr: any new ideas about the login time?
[09:37] <mac_v> ruslanr: like uptime...
[09:37] <ruslanr> no
[09:37] <mac_v> :(
[09:43] <Tekno> morning
[10:09] <yofel> good morning folks
[10:10] <blk> since about a week gnome-volume-control-applet is starting to eat my CPU with errors like "WARNING **: Connection failed, reconnecting... socket(): Address family not supported by protocol" and since two days so is gnome-settings-daemon - where does this come from?
[10:11] <yofel> blk: let me guess, you don't use pulseaudio?
[10:11] <blk> yofel, just alsa
[10:11] <yofel> blk: there's already a bug reported about that, let me go search for it
[10:12] <yofel> blk: bug 404340
[10:12] <blk> yofel, thanks, i'll check it out
[10:12] <yofel> ...
[10:12] <yofel> ubottu's gone o.O
[10:13] <yofel> blk: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-settings-daemon/+bug/404340
[10:13] <blk> yofel, already there ;)
[10:16] <blk> i'm not really happy with installing PA but there doesn't seem to be an alternative now :(
[10:26] <Sarvatt> ohh thanks for making me look at that, looks like i need to rebuild g-s-d against PA 0.9.16
[10:28] <blk> Sarvatt, will that drop the dependency?
[10:29] <blk> if not there should at least be an explicit dependency in the package..
[10:30] <Sarvatt> no i'm using 0.9.16 and the updated gnome-volume-control in g-s-d has a bunch of checks for different features if you're using 0.9.16
[10:30] <Sarvatt> and karmics is built against PA 0.9.15
[10:30] <Sarvatt> maybe these are runtime checks and not compile time, hmm
[10:42] <ruslanr> wow, I have some "ghost-files" on my Desktop :)
[10:42] <Sarvatt> blk: you have to have libpulse0 installed to have g-s-d installed...
[10:43] <Sarvatt> open up your /etc/pulse/client.conf file and disable autorespawn maybe?
[10:44] <Sarvatt> probably going to take some adapting to your no-PA situation there, maybe something useful in man pulse-client.conf
[10:45] <blk> Sarvatt, libpulse is a depency but that doesn't ensure a running pulse daemon which g-s-d wants to connect to (pulseaudio is the daemon package)
[10:45] <richardcavell> Can anyone recommend good software for creating a disk image of my Ubuntu installation?  I want to run it from a live CD so I can image my ubuntu and then un-image it back
[10:45] <Sarvatt> or maybe /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/plugins/sound/active to no in gconf-editor
[10:46] <blk> richardcavell, dd if you intend to keep your partition layout
[10:47] <blk> Sarvatt, that might work.. although i think i'll have to forget about gnome-volume-manager[-applet] (not that hard)
[10:49] <Sarvatt> yeah theres lots of alsa tools ya can use. i use pulse even and wouldnt miss gnome-volume-manager at all :D
[10:50] <richardcavell> blk it seems a little drastic
[10:50] <yofel> richardcavell: you can use rsync for backups
[10:50] <richardcavell> blk: I tried using grsync and I thought it worked okay but it didn't copy many files over.  Then I trashed my installation and it failed me when I needed it.  So goodbye grsync
[10:52] <blk> richardcavell, you want to be able to extract single files too? then i'd probably use tar just on the home and /etc directory and reinstall the system, then untar over
[10:52] <richardcavell> blk: I already back up all my important data, what I'm looking to do is to backup my whole installation.  See, last time I managed to do it by installing newer video drivers on Jaunty
[10:52] <richardcavell> I couldn't even boot to a root shell
[10:53] <richardcavell> Now that I think about it, what I could have done was install a basic Linux, then grsync everything back onto the partition
[10:53] <blk> richardcavell, to boot to root shell just append init=/bin/bash to your grub command.. always works :P
[10:53] <richardcavell> blk: no, seriously, I got kernel panic about 4 seconds into boot.  Didn't get anywhere near being able to do anything
[10:54] <richardcavell> Can I use grsync / rsync to back up all my system?  I mean everything on /
[10:54] <richardcavell> It skips many files, declaring them to be "non-regular"
[10:55] <blk> richardcavell, that's why i use dd for system backups
[10:56] <Sarvatt> i really dont trust anything outside of a whole partition or disk clone, always end up with permission or bad metadata problems somewhere when i use other things
[10:56] <blk> there's probably also tools with a GUI/curses frontend to dd
[10:56] <Sarvatt> the non regular stuff is problably referring to things like /proc that arent really files
[10:56] <blk> richardcavell, partimage i think
[10:57] <Alocado> hello
[10:57] <richardcavell> Sarvatt: well like I said grsync failed me when I need it
[10:57] <Alocado> i have a problem with the 31-kernels from ubuntu karmic... every time i boot i get following error message (unlimited times...):
[10:58] <richardcavell> What I really want is a bootable CD with the clone software on it... like a live CD
[10:58] <Alocado> ata1: illegal qc_active transition (00000000->00400040)
[10:58] <syn-ack> Then use Ghost. :D
[10:58] <Alocado> any idea how to solve this?
[10:58] <Sarvatt> install a iso to a usb stick with usb-creator, then loop mount the squashfs and chroot into it and sudo apt-get install whatever :D
[10:59] <richardcavell> Sarvatt: I can't boot to USB from my computer (Macintosh)
[10:59] <richardcavell> but I can boot to CD/DVD
[10:59] <Sarvatt> no network when you're on a livecd?
[10:59] <blk> dd is on any live cd.. going back a looong time :)
[10:59] <syn-ack> Sarvatt, I'm thinking of building a fresh ubuntu installer over here. :P
[10:59] <Sarvatt> ahh i know how that goes, i have a ibook g4 dual usb that wont boot off usb too
[11:01] <Alocado> any idea?
[11:01] <Sarvatt> Alocado: can you disable SATA AHCI mode in bios?
[11:01] <richardcavell> Sarvatt: So I want a simple GUI that I can install when booted into a live CD, and just plonk the whole partition down byte for byte
[11:01] <Sarvatt> do you not have network access when you are on a livecd?
[11:02] <Alocado> Sarvatt, don't know, i'll try it
[11:02] <Sarvatt> tons of gui backup apps just an apt-get away :D
[11:02] <richardcavell> Sarvatt: so recommend one
[11:02] <Sarvatt> heck, throw the deb on a a usb stick or something
[11:03] <Alocado> brb
[11:03] <Sarvatt> aptitude search backup
[11:03] <blk> richardcavell, http://www.partimage.org/Screenshots
[11:03] <Sarvatt> there ya go, can grab the partimage deb
[11:05] <richardcavell> blk: that's nice
[11:05] <richardcavell> blk: and it has a live CD
[11:06] <Alocado> Sarvatt, no i can't
[11:06] <Alocado> it's a very.... poor bios (hp, version 1.63)
[11:07] <Alocado> other idea?
[11:10] <Sarvatt> sbackup looks pretty nice
[11:12] <Sarvatt> oh hmm i thought it could do disk images but i dont see the option for that
[11:12] <Alocado> unison/rsync is nice :D
[11:12] <Sarvatt> can you give any more info Alocado? do you have a dmesg off a running system?
[11:12] <Sarvatt> like does it work with the jaunty kernel on karmic?
[11:13] <Alocado> yes, the 28 kernel works with karmic
[11:13] <Sarvatt> can you pastebin your dmesg?
[11:13] <Alocado> from the normal boot?
[11:14] <Sarvatt> need to know what sata chipset it is to tell you what quirks you can use to disable software NCQ to get rid of the errors :D
[11:14] <Sarvatt> are you on it right now?
[11:14] <Sarvatt> just from a working boot
[11:14] <Alocado> moment please...
[11:14] <Alocado> <- netbook, problem is with a hp compaq notebook
[11:15] <Sarvatt> ah
[11:15] <Sarvatt> what model? amd I'm guessing?
[11:15] <Alocado> right.
[11:16] <Sarvatt> lol
[11:16] <Alocado> 6715s
[11:16] <Sarvatt> nvidia chipset?
[11:16] <Alocado> with amd turion64 x2
[11:16] <Sarvatt> ah those are ati based i think
[11:16] <Alocado> yes
[11:17] <Alocado> graphics: ati mobile radeon x1350 (f**** ********)
[11:20] <Alocado> Sarvatt: http://pastebin.com/d554940ad
[11:25] <Sarvatt> its probably related to this -- [    1.466757] ahci 0000:00:12.0: controller can't do 64bit DMA, forcing 32bit
[11:25] <Sarvatt> they reenabled 64 bit DMA on SB600 in 2.6.31-rc1 and it might not work right on your machine
[11:26] <Sarvatt> trying to find the quirk now
[11:28] <Alocado> thy
[11:40] <Sarvatt> i see a ton of ahci quirks in here for compaq 67xxs machines but not a 6715s :(
[11:40] <Sarvatt> try adding libata.force=noncq to your grub boot line after splash
[11:40] <blk> is upstart ever going to be fully replacing sysv-init? it's been a topic for the past few releases and it's not really making progress.. maybe because of LSB? i've been creating upstart wrappers for the daemons on my system for some time now and it's working quite well - does someone have more inside infos on this?
[11:41] <Alocado> Sarvatt, k
[11:42] <yofel> blk: afaik upstart is still work in progress, but karmic already upgraded to version 0.6.2-1. jaunty had 0.3.9-8
[11:43] <Alocado> Sarvatt, doesn't work
[11:43] <blk> yofel, i've noticed.. i've been running 0.5.1-ppa during the jaunty-dev days
[11:46] <blk> maybe after next LTS..
[11:46] <Sarvatt> nice, there was a bugzilla link in the ahci source
[11:46] <Sarvatt> http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9412
[11:47] <Sarvatt> looks familiar Alocado?
[11:47] <Sarvatt> comment 11
[11:47] <Sarvatt> so looks like i was guessing right lol
[11:51] <Sarvatt> i just cant find a way to fix this without recompiling yet..
[11:51] <Sarvatt> HP Compaq 6720s is on the same quirk table as the board in that bug report but not your 6715s
[11:52] <Alocado> recompiling it ONCE is no problem... but not on every update ;)
[11:54] <Sarvatt> ./ahci.c:MODULE_PARM_DESC(skip_host_reset, "skip global host reset (0=don't skip, 1=skip)");
[11:54] <Sarvatt> ./ahci.c:MODULE_PARM_DESC(ignore_sss, "Ignore staggered spinup flag (0=don't ignore, 1=ignore)");
[11:54] <Sarvatt> ./ahci.c:MODULE_PARM_DESC(ahci_em_messages,
[11:54] <Sarvatt> ./ahci.c:MODULE_PARM_DESC(marvell_enable, "Marvell SATA via AHCI (1 = enabled)");
[11:55] <Sarvatt> those are the only parameters you can pass to your ahci :(
[12:00] <Sarvatt> it'd probably just be easiest to use the 2.6.30-10.12 kernel for a bit longer :D
[12:01] <Alocado_> re
[12:01] <Alocado_> sry, wlan -.-
[12:05] <Sarvatt> something like this is what you need
[12:05] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/git/cgit.cgi/linux/commit/?id=2967ed75d8b58a14f35cf1b2f19b31f64144c943
[12:06] <Alocado_> ah :) thank you very much! i'll try to rebuild the kernel...
[12:07] <Alocado_> mh, i guess this "bug" will also exists in the 9.10 final or will you add this code to the kernel?
[12:08] <Sarvatt> yeah its going to be there unless they fix it, the right way would be to get your dmi info from you and add a quirk just for your machine but i was just giving you something that'd work :D
[12:08] <Sarvatt> that hurts other machines using SB600 that dont have problems using 64 bit dma
[12:08] <SwedeMike> does karmic have any gui ipv6 configuration (network manager-like) ?
[12:08] <Alocado_> :) nice
[12:09] <Alocado_> Sarvatt, do you need my dmi info now?
[12:09] <Alocado_> for later..
[12:10] <Sarvatt> there still might be a way to get it working without recompiling anything, key word to search for is SB600 AHCI :D
[12:13] <Alocado_> http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-ide@vger.kernel.org/msg06694.html
[12:13] <Sarvatt> here's where yer problems started I bet -- http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=6adc74b7d03c06a8e15d51fe33c3d924ada9271a
[12:17] <Sarvatt> i dont know, it could be something else, dont get yer hopes up :)
[12:18] <Alocado_> ;)
[12:18] <Alocado_> atm i'm looking for a bios update ... you think disabling ahci in bios would solve the problem?
[13:07] <floating> heya. I installed karmic alpha3 in hopes getting intel graphics working and it did. Now I have come across few things that might be bugs or so, but I don't know if I should report them, and how is the appropriate way. I mean like there is a bugzill for xfce (I have xubuntu version) and there is a launchpad and stuff
[13:07] <floating> for example this one problem
[13:09] <floating> I run a .jnlp or .jar applet that has a login screens. For some reason I cannot type into the password field normally. However I found a workaround by luck. If I press mouse button down upon a submit button, and move the mouse over the password field and release it, I can type the password :>
[13:09] <floating> this happens both with openjdk and sun java
[13:10] <floating> I asked about this on the chat room where are people using this applet, and they/we came into the conclusion that it might have something to do with me using this development release of ubuntu :)
[13:13] <floating> if anyone is interested to try reproduce http://files.gokgs.com/javaBin/cgoban.jnlp  Have to note, that I changed the configuration settings to "save password" before going to "play on KGS"
[13:30] <cwillu> floating, bugs.launchpad.net
[14:38] <kit_> hi, i want to copy my installation to another filesystem (ext4 without a journal), i've got a 64mb flash disk, can i install a minimal system on that to boot into and mount the two partitions so i can cp -a the contents from one to the other ?
[14:39] <oxymoron> I have an interesting question. Why does not applications which not is using Phonon as Audio-input/ouput work at all? I cannot get any sound at all with VLC, Kaffeine, Flash and so on. But Amarok and Dragon Player works? :D
[14:40] <kit_> does vlc, kaffeine, flash or pulse crash when you try to play audio through them /
[14:40] <oxymoron> no
[14:40] <oxymoron> Video works fine, but no audio
[14:41] <kit_> check if you can play audio through vlc with the alsa output module
[14:41] <kit_> if you can it's probably the same pulse bug i've got which you could report (y)
[14:42] <oxymoron> I just get a static noise as in every other apps as using alsa.
[14:43] <kit_> does your audio card/chipset have a digital out ?
[14:43] <oxymoron> yes, should have
[14:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> What was the name of the ubuntu mozilla irc channel again? I remember someone directed me there from here
[14:44] <kit_> recently i've only been able to get the audio to come out of my tv using the digital out from my onboard sound chipset so maybe it's the same thing.
[14:44] <oxymoron> kit_: Digital output does not work at all
[14:46] <kit_> hmm, i dunno how to tell where the bug would be, kernel, alsa, pulse. maybe someone else could tell you if they know
[14:46] <oxymoron> kit_: It has been a bug for several years now. It always get trouble once in a while.
[14:47] <oxymoron> kit_: Seems to be a bug wih ALSA vs HDA INtel, Kernel and Phonon.
[14:47] <kit_> press [alt][f2] and run "gstreamer-properties"
[14:47] <kit_> see if you can get any beeps to come out if you change the audio output settings
[14:48] <kit_> yea, i'm using hda_intel i think
[14:48] <kit_> well the module is loaded, the chipset is realtek 889a or something
[14:48] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: check your engine
[14:49] <oxymoron> kit_: I am using xine
[14:51] <kit_> ah, i haven't tried to use that properly for a few years. eaglescreen might know. i'm off out tho but good luck.
[14:52] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: ?
[14:53] <EagleScreen> are you changed to xine right now or before?
[14:53] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: ??
[14:53] <blk> kit_, you can copy your setup.. make sure to adapt the mount points where needed (either change the UUID or the device) in /etc/fstab  -- you can also convert your current partition to ext4 (assuming you're running ext2/3) .. and then disable the journal if you really want that
[14:53] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: I always use Xine, I only tested gstreamer to check recently but switched back to xine again.
[14:54] <oxymoron> [15:52] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: But I still got problem using Xine?
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[14:54] <oxymoron> [15:53] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: It is so friggin frustrating, just a simple thing as audio which is mostly my life, it just must work automaticly.
[14:54] <EagleScreen> yes everybody want it
[14:55] <EagleScreen> did you upgraded to karmic by this issue?
[14:55] <kottlett> hi! is the madwifi driver available in karmic? I just found out, that there is no package for the restricted modules any more :-/
[14:56] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Seriously, sure KDE and GNU/Linux is freeware, the developers has to responsibility and so on, open software. But I cannot understand how they even can allow something like this to happen at all. SOund should NEVER, NEVER at any circumstances lagging, it should always work.
[14:56] <kit_> blk, cheers. i'll try it.
[14:57] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: I had this problem with Gutsy, Jaunty too. The problem is not KArmic specific. Happens now when the developers is changing the system core configs and files, especially the linux core and KDE.
[14:57] <oxymoron> *no responsibility
[14:58] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: if your Intel HDA card is not working well, Intel corporation has the reponsability, not KDE or GNU/Linux
[14:59] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: pastebin you 'lsmod' output
[14:59] <oxymoron> http://pastebin.ca/1507943
[15:01] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: do you have a laptop?
[15:01] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: But my Intel HDA card works perfectly in Windows, so it is not a Intel defined problem or hardware problem. It is software related only, and in this case GNU/Linux that is faulty. I guess there is no correct working drivers in the kernel, but could be wrong.
[15:01] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: No I am using a PC. The motherboard is almost new and so is audio card.
[15:02] <EagleScreen> Intel has the reponsability of making good drivers for Linux, but Intel usually does it
[15:03] <EagleScreen> it seems that your card and mine use the same drivers and mine is working pretty well
[15:03] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: How often is those drivers changed?
[15:03] <EagleScreen> i dont know
[15:03] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Alright, well some misconfiguration maybe somewhere? Not sure where to look though.
[15:04] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: As said, it works if you go through Phonon.
[15:04] <diverse_izzue> i have a problem in karmic where event sounds from empathy interrupt music playing from rhythmbox. is that a known problem?
[15:05] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Thank god that Amarok works anyway :)
[15:06] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: you may have a configuration problem
[15:06] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Amarok started to get perfect sound in the version 2 release when fully support for Phonon was implemented.
[15:06] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: does command 'aplay file.wav' work?
[15:07] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: aplay works, but file.wav does not :D
[15:07] <EagleScreen> any wav file in your system?
[15:08] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: I do not have any wave files on my system. Not that I know of anyway
[15:08] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: find /usr/share | grep wav
[15:12] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Tested now with a wavefile and aplay, does not work, no sound.
[15:13] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: you may have a problem with alsa
[15:13] <EagleScreen> it can be a driver problem or a configuration problem
[15:14] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Yes, alsa it is I guess. Can i check settings, re-install or something?
[15:14] <BluesKaj> howdy
[15:14] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: you should burn Kubuntu karmic Alpha3 live CD and test in it if your sound works
[15:15] <EagleScreen> you also can try to install a newer version of alsa, but karmic may have the lastest
[15:15] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: But I recently did that with karmic alpha 2 ... But I only tested Amarok then ...
[15:15] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Maybe apt-get purge alsa ? and then re-install?
[15:15] <EagleScreen> i mean to test aplay, kaffeine and flash, I mean test it from live CD
[15:16] <EagleScreen> (with the default configuration)
[15:16] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Well, is it possible to do with virtualbox instead? :P
[15:16] <BluesKaj> I gave up on amarok in karmic, but I suppose it depends on your needs ..VLC fills the bill for me.
[15:16] <EagleScreen> not, virtualbox is a fake machine, not your machine
[15:17] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Yeas I know, just checking.
[15:18] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: But should it not virtualise my desktop anyway? I mean if it is just configurationproblem it should work with virtualbox?
[15:19] <EagleScreen> not, virtualbox does not use your real hardware
[15:19] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Could also be a problem because I am using 64-bit Kubuntu.
[15:19] <EagleScreen> i also use 64bits
[15:19] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: What hardware does it use?
[15:19] <EagleScreen> virtual hardware
[15:19] <EagleScreen> software that simulates to be a hardware device
[15:19] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: But it is still my hardware is is using, right?
[15:20] <EagleScreen> yes, but not directly
[15:20] <EagleScreen> never check hardware issues in virtual machines
[15:20] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: But it is a software issue, not hardware
[15:20] <EagleScreen> we are not sure about it
[15:21] <oxymoron> I am sure.
[15:21] <oxymoron> 100 % sure it is not hardware
[15:21] <EagleScreen> if audio does not work in your host system by config issue, audio won't work in your virtualized system having it well configured
[15:22] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Why not?
[15:23] <EagleScreen> because the virtualized system is managed by your real system and depends on it
[15:24] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: I think the really useful test is to burn and boot a Live CD with all config by default, directly in your real hardware
[15:25] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: But if it is a config issue, it should work in virtualbox? If it is hardware issue though, it should not work?
[15:26] <EagleScreen> not
[15:26] <oxymoron> I do not understand then
[15:31] <EagleScreen> it is simple, if screen fails in your real system, it will fail in your virtualbox system, if audio fails in your real system, it will fail in your virtualbox system and the cause of the failure does not care
[15:34] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: look for this site: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
[15:37] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Yes, I understand that. But if software config is faulty on my host system, it not works. But if software config is correct in virtualbox, it should work if we suppose that hardware works 100%
[15:37] <yofel> re
[15:37] <yofel> hey, ubottu's back :)
[15:38] <EagleScreen> negative, virtualbox system finally send the audio to your host system, and if your host system does not work for any reason, there won't be sound
[15:39] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: what happens if you try to open alsamixer?
[15:39] <EagleScreen> what kid of chip does it show?
[15:41] <oxymoron> Analog AD1988B
[15:41] <EagleScreen> Chip: Analog AD1988B
[15:42] <EagleScreen> and can you manage the sound with it?
[15:42] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Yes?
[15:43] <EagleScreen> aplay does not report any error?
[15:45] <oxymoron> nope, no error.
[15:48] <EagleScreen> try 'aplay -vv sound.wav'
[15:48] <EagleScreen> and pastebin the output
[15:48] <EagleScreen> and be sure you have all channels unmuted
[15:49] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Alright
[15:51] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: http://pastebin.ca/1507978
[15:53] <EagleScreen> did it played the sound?
[15:53] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Yes it played the sound, but it did not sound anything.
[15:54] <EagleScreen> strange
[15:54] <oxymoron> Yes, I am saying that ;P
[15:54] <oxymoron> SOme bug when it should output the audio to the speakers.
[15:55] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: what kind of speakers do you use?
[15:55] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Uhm, I dont know the model and so. But it is a Philips speakers, stereo system.
[15:56] <EagleScreen> a simple pair of stereo apeakers?
[15:56] <EagleScreen> 5.1 systems may need special configuration
[15:56] <oxymoron> No, with build in surround system and so on. Not a regular PC-speakers.
[15:56] <oxymoron> I mean built in subwoofer xD not surround.
[15:57] <oxymoron> 2.1 speakers in other words.
[15:57] <EagleScreen> it may need special configuration in alsa
[15:57] <oxymoron> special config as in?
[15:57] <EagleScreen> look for the alsa website
[15:57] <EagleScreen> i have no idea about 2.1 systems
[15:58] <oxymoron> Where to look?
[15:58] <EagleScreen> here http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Main_Page
[15:59] <kayess> I was just trying out the netbook remix on an eee pc and couldn't get anywhere. Live wouldn't load and it wouldn't re-install
[15:59] <kayess> This was the netbook kubuntu alpha 3
[16:00] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Yes I can found the startpage from google, but thanks anyway. I mean, where on that website?
[16:00] <EagleScreen> i dont know
[16:02] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: I insist in testing with a Live CD
[16:02] <EagleScreen> test other kernels
[16:02] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: When I test this: speaker-test -Dplug:surround51 -c6 -twav it says that my unit is busy? :O
[16:02] <EagleScreen> or test a Debian Live CD and check the sound
[16:03] <oxymoron> I dont want to test that, seems pointless.
[16:08] <oxymoron> The problem seems to be that it cannot play sounds if I am using another app that uses my speakers xD
[16:16] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Uhm, I think I know the problem now :D /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base is empty :D
[16:17] <EagleScreen> try to write it propertly
[16:17] <yofel> oxymoron: you mean alsa-base.conf?
[16:17] <oxymoron> Oh I forgor .conf :D
[16:18] <oxymoron> What does this line to, I am getting tipped on ubuntu-site to add that line: options snd-hda-intel enable_msi=1
[16:18] <yofel> oxymoron: here's mine: http://pastebin.com/f5c3191a
[16:21] <oxymoron> yofel: Alright, same as mine then ;)
[16:22] <oxymoron> I dont understand what the heck that is faulty.
[16:22] <yofel> can't help you, I don't use kde here
[16:26] <oxymoron> I do not think it is KDE specific
[16:27] <oxymoron> This looks interesting: "[AO OSS] audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy"
[16:28] <yofel> you have an application that still uses OSS o.O
[16:29] <oxymoron> How to change?
[16:30] <yofel> depends on the application I guess, I'm no audio expert
[16:30] <oxymoron> Ill be damn, now alsa works when mixing around with alsamixer. I cganed digital output and PCM.
[16:31] <oxymoron> Now also Flash sound works and VLC ...
[16:31] <Sarvatt> woohooooo http://sarvatt.com/downloads/sheworks!.png
[16:32] <oxymoron> EagleScreen, yofel: What exactly is the PCM channel?
[16:33] <EagleScreen> it is an important channel
[16:33] <oxymoron> Yes, but what is it?
[16:34] <EagleScreen> it controls the volume of sounds played in your system
[16:34] <yofel> Sarvatt: it's still missing 'both' to make DanaG happy :P
[16:34] <Sarvatt> there is no both upstream, he'll never be happy anyway :D
[16:34] <oxymoron> And look on that, now also Spotify works xD
[16:35] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: But why does it work in Amarok with PCM muted? :S
[16:35] <EagleScreen> I think it shouldent
[16:35] <Sarvatt> you can get the equivalent of  both by mixing this and gpointing-device-settings or just synclient at least
[16:35] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: There is two main channels that has to be on, PCM and one more
[16:36] <Sarvatt> pcm is the master channel that mixes all sound being played to what gets sent to your analog speakers
[16:36] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Master and PCM. Master only on, then Amarok and Dragon PLayer only works. But if both are turned on, everything else works :S w00t?! :D
[16:37] <Sarvatt> master controls pcm and the digital outputs too so you can fine tune the sound levels more
[16:37] <BluesKaj> !pcm
[16:37] <yofel> BluesKaj: ubottu's gone
[16:37] <EagleScreen> yes, Amarok is working for me with PCM muted
[16:37] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Not sure if I understand that. Is one of them analog and the other one digital?
[16:37] <BluesKaj> ok, I guess even bots deserve a day off somrtimes :)
[16:38] <yofel> BluesKaj: 17:06:03 -!- ubottu [n=supybot@ubuntu/bot/ubottu] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)   :(
[16:38] <BluesKaj> pcm is digital aka , pulse code modulation , not to be confused with pulse audio
[16:39] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Seems like VLC, Spotify and so on which uses ALSA protocol, is depending on the analog device only.
[16:39] <Sarvatt> say you have a digital output and the analog output going at the same time, and the digital is quieter than the analog, you bump the level of the digital one so its the same volume and control things with master so the volume is the same for both outputs
[16:39] <BluesKaj> yofel  it's 11:39 here
[16:39] <yofel> yofel: 17:06 -> 15:06 UTC ;)
[16:40] <yofel> BluesKaj: ^^^^^
[16:40] <yofel> why am I talking to myself...
[16:40] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: That is to much for my audiobrain :D I guess digital and analog must be in sync or am I wrong?
[16:40] <BluesKaj> yofel  yeah what are you talking about , anyway ? :)
[16:40] <yofel> nvm
[16:41] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: But if that so, it seems that Phonon is syncing that itself. The only apps that works perfect with PCM muted is the ones which uses Phonon layer.
[16:42] <BluesKaj> yofel, ok I scrolled up , I see it now : [10:17] <-- ubott2 has left this server (Excess Flood)
[16:43] <Sarvatt> do your other apps not have phonon sound output plugins?
[16:43] <Sarvatt> i dont use KDE so i have no idea
[16:45] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: No VLC, mplayer, Spotify, Flash/Firefox and so on uses ALSA directly I guess.
[16:45] <BluesKaj> Sarvatt, aren't there 2 different streams one analog (post digital to analog conversion) and another which is purely digital domain ?
[16:46] <Sarvatt> depends on what yer using and how you have it set up, things can use ac3/dts passthrough on digital to bypass the software mixing but desktop sounds and stuff wont do that
[16:46] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: I am not a programmer, but I am guessing Phonon gets sound/audio request from an application. Then it fetches the correct stream backend, xine or gstreamer, which itself uses alsa or whatever is available. I guess it is syncing audio on the fly also. Just guessing now.
[16:46] <oxymoron> Not a developer of KDE I mean, a programmer am I :D
[16:46] <Sarvatt> you should be able to set all that stuff up in the system settings somewhere?
[16:46] <BluesKaj> yeah, but who cares about desktop "sounds" , they're plain annoying anyway :0
[16:47] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Yes, in systemsettings, but that is only for Phonon I think. You have to setup specificly for the other apps which is not using Phonon.
[16:48] <oxymoron> And I wanna thank everyonce for their patience with me, especially EagleScreen ;)
[16:49] <EagleScreen> you're welcome
[16:49] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: you could break some config stuff, try a Live CD
[16:50] <Sarvatt> yeah sounds right, there should be a way to send the sound output through phonon in your apps though..
[16:50] <Sarvatt> oh i see, phonon support in vlc is really new, guess its not packaged yet
[16:51] <Sarvatt> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/multimedia/phonon-backends/vlc/
[16:53] <Sarvatt> so do you have it working now oxymoron?
[16:54] <Sarvatt> the sound hardware might be locked by something else so OSS/ALSA cant use it i'm guessing (havent read the chat log scrollback yet)
[16:57] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Yes, everything just worked when unmuted PCM channel.
[16:57] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Even SPotify ...
[16:57] <Sarvatt> ah with alsa then?
[16:57] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: Yes, if I break something I just reformat and do a clean install again ...
[16:57] <BUGabundo> hey kids
[16:57] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Yes, with alsa.
[16:57] <BUGabundo> hi Sarvatt
[16:57] <Sarvatt> i think theres a bug in alsa muting the PCM channel on alot of cards
[16:58] <BUGabundo> I get that too
[16:58] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[16:58] <Sarvatt> its muted every reboot here too
[16:58] <BUGabundo> 1 in 3 boots my audio is mutted
[16:58] <EagleScreen> oxymoron: test also other kernels or other distributions and compare the results
[16:58] <oxymoron> BUGabundo: Oh, that was my problem too ;)
[16:58] <Sarvatt> i use pulse for everything so it doesnt matter but if i use alsa i have to up the pcm volume too
[16:58] <oxymoron> EagleScreen: I dont care, sorry. I just want it to work on my PC, nothing else.
[16:59] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Well PulseAudio does not work at all for me.
[16:59] <Sarvatt> maybe it mutes when it goes into power saving mode after 10 seconds
[16:59] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Yes, could be the problem ..
[16:59] <Sarvatt> i'm using pulse 0.9.16 here
[17:00] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: 0.9.15
[17:00] <andresmh> since I switched to Karmic everytime I wake up my thinkpad from sleep mode the built-in CDMA modem doesn't show up in the network manager anymore, even after enabling/disabling networking . ifconfig shows wlan0 and wmaster0 though.
[17:00] <andresmh> someone suggested to do modprobe <driver> but I don't know what <driver> i should use
[17:01] <BUGabundo> errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[17:02] <BUGabundo> just had to kill PA 28 times :((((((
[17:04] <yofel> wtf... gnome-settings-daemon just crashed here on login
[17:05] <yofel> now my desktop looks like a bad merge of gtk1 and 2 -.-
[17:06] <BUGabundo> wfm so far
[17:06] <BUGabundo> hey yofel
[17:10] <yofel> hm, works fine after re-login
[17:11] <andresmh> how do I restart my built-in CDMA modem?
[17:11] <Sarvatt> try changing your settings, then do alsactl store oxymoron?
[17:12] <Sarvatt> lol i had that problem with gsd didnt work with XI2, things are ugly huh
[17:12] <Sarvatt> referring to yofel's problem :D
[17:12] <Sarvatt> what does it say when you run gnome-settings-daemon from a terminal?
[17:13] <Sarvatt> probably segfaulting in one of the modules and you can disable it in gconf-editor under /apps/gnome_settings_daemon/plugins/
[17:13] <Sarvatt> oh ya got it working nevermind
[17:14] <yofel> Sarvatt: I already logged out and in again, after that it works fine, apport says something about an gdk_x_error
[17:15] <Sarvatt> yeah one of the plugins is screwing up, if you can strace gnome-settings-daemon and get it to crash again you can find out which plugin it is
[17:15] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Change what settings?
[17:15] <Sarvatt> alsamixer volumes
[17:16] <Sarvatt> raise it up how you like it then sudo alsactl store
[17:16] <mac_v> gnome-power-manager is slow to respond or sometimes doesnt respond :?
[17:16] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: What does that command do exactly?
[17:16] <Sarvatt> it doesnt respond to unplugging ac for me 90% of the time
[17:17] <Sarvatt> it stores your alsa mixer volume levels and restores it on reboot
[17:18] <holzmodem> hi, if I plugin my USB Mouse, Karmic disable the TAPPING an my Touchpad, why! I need both, mouse AND tapping on touchpad. How can it be activated permanently?
[17:19] <Sarvatt> give it a day to be fixed holzmodem :D
[17:19] <mac_v> anyone using conky with the "own_window_type override" setting? the background randomly becomes grey!
[17:19] <Sarvatt> sounds like g-s-d background plugin screwing up
[17:20] <Sarvatt> its going grey for me a few times when i log in, something to do with how gdm runs its own g-s-d with a background plugin i think..
[17:25] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: kernel -4 is so unstable :(
[17:25] <BUGabundo> I'm getting random system full freezes
[17:25] <Sarvatt> eww :(
[17:25] <BUGabundo> some times just after login
[17:25] <Sarvatt> doesnt happen on older kernels?
[17:25] <BUGabundo> others related to network state changes (lost of wifi, pluging a 3g modem)
[17:25] <BUGabundo> nope
[17:25] <BUGabundo> -3 is stable
[17:25] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Alright, thank you :)
[17:31] <mac_v> BUGabundo: Sarvatt is there a command like "uptime" but for login time? [other than: who,finger,last] but which gives an output of number of hours since last login... i'd like to use it in conky
[17:32] <BUGabundo> mac_v: $ w
[17:33] <Sarvatt> who?
[17:33] <mac_v> BUGabundo: ah... thank you... i'v been searching for that simce 2 days!
[17:33] <mac_v> since*
[17:33] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: (05:31:17 PM) mac_v: [other than: who,finger,last]
[17:36] <adz21c> Hi, is there a way to get the video quality in dragon player/kaffine (KDE4) to be better? For example this is a screenshot in DVD in vlc(also get same quality in kaffeine for KDE3 back on jaunty) http://imagebin.ca/view/Zk0MKZ.html and this is the same screenshot for kaffeine (KDE 4 or dragon player) http://imagebin.ca/view/7GTnjIfh.html. Any ideas how I can improve quality?
[17:37] <Sarvatt> mac_v: http://conky.sourceforge.net/variables.html
[17:39] <mac_v> darn it! i didnt even think of that! i had an almost full list of variables but didnt check from the site!
[17:53]  * arand whines about the hardship of making a darn simple patch
[18:01]  * BUGabundo mumbels something about stupid PA and over 100% gains
[18:01]  * BUGabundo kills PA again
[18:08] <arand> Um, trying here: Having problems with debsign & gpg: http://pastebin.com/m56f1ccf3 , keys are recently generated using gpg, I have both $GPGKEY and $DEBSIGN_KEYID set to the specific keyid, what more could it be?
[18:13] <joaopinto> arand, gpg --list-secret-keys , is the expected email listed there ?
[18:14] <arand> joaopinto: It is.
[18:18] <arand> joaopinto: ah, apparently specifying it manually (debsign -k####### ) worked... SO why does it not read $GPGKEY or $DEBSIGN_KEYID correctly *mumbles*
[18:19] <joaopinto> actually it only cares about DEBEMAIL
[18:19] <joaopinto> the last time I have tried
[18:19] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: welcome back, I did not see you for a while!
[18:23] <BUGabundo> Le-Chuck_ITA: I've been here everyday!!!
[18:23] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: forget about me, my brain is fusing
[18:24] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hey guys, "“Freedom, Friends, Features, First”
[18:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's really impossible to look for an ubuntu alternative :P
[18:25] <Le-Chuck_ITA> these are the 4 principles on which fedora is based :)
[18:26] <BluesKaj> Le-Chuck_ITA, well, fedora is just another "hat"  :)
[18:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but come on
[18:26] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Features and first
[18:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok they want 4 f
[18:27] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it looks more funny than inspiring
[18:29] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BluesKaj: apart from disliking redhat since the first time I tried and we are talking of before the imac
[18:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BluesKaj: what's the difference between fedora and ubuntu? It seems to me that they both are successful and truly free software distributions.
[18:30] <BUGabundo> diff public targets
[18:30] <BUGabundo> we aim at human beings (or do we ?)
[18:31] <arand> joaopinto: Is there some way to look at the "keysearch" output debsign sends to gpg?
[18:32] <BluesKaj> Le-Chuck_ITA, the RPM system has some real dependency probs from my experience
[18:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BluesKaj: from the technical point of view, sometimes I re-try fedora or suse
[18:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and there is no comparison, ubuntu is much bettter in all respects
[18:34] <joaopinto> arand, mo idea :\
[18:34] <BluesKaj> suse has become more reliable from all reports but not enough to switch IMO
[18:36] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, without knowing RPM in details I guess dependencies are not managed much differently from APT, so is more about the packaging quality, and not so much about the tecnhology
[18:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> well one strange thing I always noticed is that debian (thus ubuntu) is way faster than other distributions
[18:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I mean in terms of boot time, package installation, program opening. I even noticed much faster writing in xournal with my tablet
[18:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I always wondered why, but it's visible
[18:46] <BUGabundo> a bit OT: best way to test a disk for bad sectors?
[18:47] <drs305> decaf
[18:47] <drs305> n/m
[18:47] <BUGabundo> humm
[18:47] <BUGabundo> !info decaf
[18:48] <drs305> It was not an answer to the line above it - sorry.
[18:48] <BUGabundo> ohh
[18:48] <BUGabundo> lol
[18:49] <joaopinto> BUGabundo, badblocks
[18:51] <BUGabundo> ja sei
[18:54] <dajomu> anyone know how to get around bug 281402? Yofel said this was a wrong resolution thing. Is it possible to boot up the live-cd with a predefined resolution?
[18:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dajomu: you mean bug #281402
[18:55] <dajomu> thats what I wrote
[18:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dajomu: I hoped some form of bot would pop up a link :)
[18:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but today the bot is lazy
[18:56] <dajomu> and how do I do that in konversation?
[18:56] <dajomu> #281402
[18:56]  * BUGabundo slaps the bot
[18:56] <dajomu> ahh. got it hehe
[18:56] <BUGabundo> and kicks it to
[18:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dajomu: I'd try disabling kms
[18:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> but don't know how to do that for i845
[18:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> did alpha 2 work?
[18:56] <dajomu> nope
[18:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dajomu: what kernel?
[18:57] <dajomu> karmic alpha 3
[18:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> :) I need a shower so I can't wait anyways :) But when I ask about kernel I expect something like 2.6.31 :P
[18:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye all see you later
[18:57] <dajomu> I am able to boot the cd but cannot see anything
[18:58] <dajomu> I guess you would know what kernel karmic alpha 3 was shipped with :)
[18:59] <Le-Chuck_ITA> dajomu: no because I upgrade from earlier releases
[19:01] <dajomu> ahh.. ok then. this is a fresh "install" but I haven't reached the install part yet :)
[19:04] <yofel> dajomu: what I told you yesterday was that you told me that you have a black screen, but that bug is about a wrong screen resolution and I thing unrelated to your problem
[19:05] <dajomu> yofel: ahh.. kinda misunderstood you then
[19:05] <yofel> dajomu: can you switch to a tty after booting?
[19:05] <dajomu> yofel: nope
[19:06] <dajomu> yofel: do you think, as Le-Chuck_ITA suggested, that disabling kms could help? and how to do that when booting from a live-cd
[19:07] <yofel> I'm asking that myself right now :/
[19:07] <yofel> disabling kms would help, but I'm not sure which driver you card uses
[19:07] <yofel> and how to do that on the live-cd
[19:08] <yofel> it *might* help
[19:08] <dajomu> yeah but then the problem is that I am using the live-cd
[19:08] <dajomu> I am using linuxmint gloria and everything works fine
[19:09] <yofel> dajomu: which intel driver version?
[19:10] <dajomu> Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge [8086:244e] (rev 81)
[19:11] <dajomu> Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 01)
[19:11] <billybigrigger> i845
[19:11] <billybigrigger> not an intel/kms guy myself but im sure that card will work
[19:13] <dajomu> mine does not
[19:13] <Sarvatt> arand: if it helps any, I export this info in ~/.bashrc so all the debscript stuff is automatic, export DEBFULLNAME='Robert Hooker (Sarvatt)'
[19:13] <Sarvatt> export DEBEMAIL='sarvatt@gmail.com'
[19:13] <BUGabundo> SPAM SPAM SPAM
[19:13] <yofel> BUGabundo: hungry?
[19:13] <BUGabundo> :)
[19:14] <Sarvatt> to disable KMS on a livecd you want to add i915.modeset=0 right before the - on the boot command line in the menu
[19:15] <Sarvatt> it'll say like kernel=blah blah preseed casper ro blah blah blah quiet splash -
[19:15] <dajomu> Sarvatt: ok. I'll try
[19:17] <virtuald> why is there no wireless-tools-dev package?
[19:17] <dajomu> Sarvatt: so then it should be like "kernel=blah blah preseed casper ro blah blah blah quiet splash i915.modeset=0 -"
[19:17] <Sarvatt> dajomu: what problem do you have?
[19:17] <Sarvatt> yep exactly!
[19:17] <virtuald> hmm
[19:17] <Sarvatt> goes right after splash
[19:17] <virtuald> configure: error: wireless-tools library and development headers >= 28pre9 not installed or not functional
[19:17] <virtuald> what's it called?
[19:18] <Sarvatt> actually you can remove splash also, so its quiet i915.modeset=0
[19:18] <Sarvatt> so you can see what the problem might be easier
[19:18] <yofel> virtuald: the wireless-tools source generates: wireless-tools, libiw29, libiw-dev, wireless-tools-udeb, libiw29-udeb   so try one of them
[19:18] <dajomu> Sarvatt: I cannot boot the alpha 3 live-cd with visuals. I get a black screen only, but I boot into gnome with a blackscreen. I can hear the welcome sound
[19:19] <virtuald> thank you :)
[19:19] <virtuald> yofel: how did you look that up?
[19:19] <yofel> virtuald: apt-cache showsrc wireless-tools second line are the binary packages that are generated
[19:20] <Sarvatt> libiw29 is a depends for wireless-tools, thats odd :D
[19:20] <virtuald> ok :>
[19:20] <Sarvatt> dajomu: anything special about your setup? are you using a dvi-vga adapter or anything?
[19:20] <Sarvatt> is it a laptop?
[19:21] <Sarvatt> dual channel memory?
[19:21] <dajomu> Sarvatt: no nothing special. it is a workstation. only one creative web-cam connected
[19:21] <dajomu> it is an old ibm netvista workstation
[19:23] <dajomu> I belive it is this one http://www-307.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/MIGR-42771.html#spb
[19:24] <dajomu> model 8307-13G
[19:24] <Sarvatt> definitely try booting with splash disabled, i'm curious if you get a drmfb at all
[19:24] <dajomu> got 1 GB ram and changed the hard-drive and cd-rom
[19:24] <Sarvatt> (usplash doesnt work under KMS anyway, just shows an initial graphic and dies leaving it up on the screen)
[19:24] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: You seem to be a well knowledged man :P Sorry for my incredible stupid english :D Anyhow, I wondering if you know what is the reason that the file transfer protocol in Kopete and Pidgin is so friggin slow? Is it only because that the file transfer goes through Mircosofts MSN-servers or something else?
[19:25] <dajomu> Sarvatt: ok. I'' try now and see how it goes. I have to reboot. I'll return in a while. thanks so far
[19:27] <Sarvatt> you got it oxymoron, you're transferring through the msn servers that have bandwidth caps per connection because they dont need lots of bandwidth for IMs, the real msn client uses a different transfer method
[19:28] <Sarvatt> dajomu: the problem is there was a new feature that is the basis for power saving features coming to intel KMS really soon added in the 2.6.31-rc3 kernel that the a3 livecd has, and there are a ton of people having problems with it :(
[19:28] <BUGabundo>  2914  22837      2       1795K 406.8M 65076K 406.8M 65076K   2% Xorg
[19:28] <BUGabundo> got to love X
[19:28] <BUGabundo> :)
[19:29] <Sarvatt> and it has been fixed for the most part but it didnt even make it into 2.6.31-rc4 yet so it will be a bit longer still, the 2.6.31-2 kernel would probably work fine but no way to use that on the a3 cd as is :(
[19:29] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Yes, the "real" msn combines through the client and the Microsoft servers I guess. But why on earth has not anyone find any other solution for this? Is it not possible to transfer directly from peer to peer, like bittorrent or something. I mean 1-2 kbit/s is incredible slow. I do not need 1+ MB/S, but decent speed is at least 50 kbit/s. I want to be able to send images under one minute or music for instanse.
[19:29] <oxymoron> *instance
[19:30] <Sarvatt> why do you have an Xorg process BUGabundo? :D
[19:30] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I live _some_ guys
[19:30] <BUGabundo> *guis
[19:31]  * oxymoron does not understand why he started to use Quassel. Konversation now rules the world. I love all the new settings you can do :) Only missing Knotifcation integration :P
[19:32] <Sarvatt> the real client has a more direct connection between the 2 people instead of sending everything through the 2kbps capped IM gateway like pidgin does :D i think they just uuencode the transfer and send it as text through that too lol
[19:32] <Sarvatt> (they being libpurple)
[19:32] <Sarvatt> if ya got pidgin ya got like 20 real options available to ya besides MSN :D
[19:32] <virtuald> oxymoron: amsn does p2p transfers
[19:33] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Haha seriously, that sucks ... Pidgin is as like badly as Kopete with file transfering.
[19:33]  * BUGabundo still luvs pidgin
[19:34] <oxymoron> virtuald: Yes, but amsn is the worst IM-client I have seen. The one that I know actually really like now is the Kopete, now when they have been fixning the new GUI and more support for WLM. They have also a new plugin now for facebook and soon IRC maybe is coming ...
[19:35]  * oxymoron have been using Pidgin for a long time, it is good. But now Kopete has the features he needs, that only Pidgin had before. Now he only missing good file transfer protocol and support for webcams.
[19:35] <virtuald> ok
[19:36] <BUGabundo> oxymoron: skype :)
[19:36] <BUGabundo> or imo.im
[19:38] <oxymoron> And now soon has GNU/Linux and KDE/Kubuntu all features, apps and everything he need to kick ass against Windows. The only app he really miss FULL support for is actually Adobe Creative Suite. Works half-good with wine, but that is not enough for me. But I havent used Photoshop for awhile anyway ... Everything really starts to rock and is very stable and the GUI looks pretty nice, especially the new Air theme :)
[19:38] <oxymoron> BUGabundo: I do not Skype, so it is not a missing feature for me. imo.im, not sure what that is ..
[19:39] <BUGabundo> oxymoron: https://imo.im
[19:40] <oxymoron> BUGabundo: Oh nice, love web-based apps :)
[19:41] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Aand yes, you got many protocols with pidgin. But for what use, if you only use WLM anyway? :D
[19:42] <BUGabundo> many? I think I have at least one of all :)
[19:42] <oxymoron> virtuald: Do you know which protocol amsn uses to do file transfers?
[19:43] <virtuald> no, same as the microsoft client i think
[19:45] <oxymoron> virtuald: Alright, wish Pidgin and Kopete do the same soon :)
[19:45] <virtuald> yeah me too
[19:45] <Sarvatt> there might be a way to use a different gateway for MSN thats faster in pidgin, I dunno
[19:46] <dajomu> Sarvatt: that didn't work. first error apearing was Unknown boot option i915.modeset=0: ignoring
[19:46] <Sarvatt> thats normal
[19:46] <Sarvatt> it says that because its not built into the kernel but it still passes it to the module later
[19:46] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Yes, could be :) But a slightly change only, nothing magical :P
[19:47] <Sarvatt> do the people you talk to not use gmail or anything? could just do google talk/jabber :D
[19:47] <dajomu> Sarvatt: I still got a few other error a long the way. I got a bit further though because now I was able to see the mousecursor but nothing else
[19:47] <virtuald> oxymoron: apt-cache show msn-pecan
[19:47] <Sarvatt> dajomu: ohh thats promising
[19:48] <virtuald> i think it crashed though last time i tried it
[19:48] <oxymoron> virtuald: Whats that? :)
[19:48] <dajomu> Sarvatt: yes. I'll post some of the errors I received and maybe you know whats wrong.
[19:48] <Sarvatt> oh neat, msn-pecan looks nice
[19:48] <virtuald> development version of the msn plugin
[19:48] <Sarvatt> dajomu: ahh was just about to ask if you had any kind of logs or saw any errors on the screen, thanks
[19:49] <oxymoron> virtuald: Nice :O Why on earth isnt that implemented yet? Still developing?
[19:50] <dajomu> Sarvatt: Number 1) Stdin: error 0. Number 2) end_request: I/O error, dev sr0. Number 3) Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block. Number 4)  Ata2:00: exception Emask.......                  Some of these erors was quit long and I was not able to write it all down.
[19:51] <oxymoron> virtuald: And why only Pidgin? :S
[19:51] <virtuald> oxymoron: something about the pidgin developers being slow
[19:52] <oxymoron> virtuald: Haha alright, as usual then ...
[19:52] <Sarvatt> oh jeeze, not that again
[19:52] <virtuald> http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/wiki/FAQ
[19:52] <Sarvatt> you arent the first person today i've talked to that couldnt boot the karmic 2.6.31 kernel with the same errors :(
[19:53] <Sarvatt> its purple not pidgin!
[19:53] <dajomu> ahhh
[19:53] <Sarvatt> i think theres a way to use purple transports in empathy
[19:54] <Sarvatt> Seems lots of users are complaining about the lack of supported protocols in Empathy. In fact all protocols implemented in libpurple are easy to enable with empathy thanks to telepathy-haze. All you need is a .profile file describing some features, the icons to use, etc.
[19:55] <Sarvatt> http://code.google.com/p/msn-pecan/issues/detail?id=98#c18
[19:55] <Sarvatt> :(
[19:56] <Sarvatt> dajomu: so you could see the console messages while it was booting this time hmm? and X loaded enough to show a cursor then everything went black?
[19:57] <Sarvatt> or it just hung with the mouse cursor on the screen?
[19:57] <dajomu> Sarvatt: thats right
[19:57]  * BUGabundo hugs the bot
[19:57] <dajomu> I was able to move the cursor
[19:57] <dajomu> but not go to tty
[19:57]  * yofel wonders where BUGabundo found a bot...
[19:57] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Do you know the status for Kopete? :P
[19:58] <BUGabundo> yofel: I didn't. but since a kick didn't work, I though some luv would !
[19:59] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Google is quite uninformed of what us going on with Kopete.
[20:00] <yofel> well, I hope the guys in ubuntu-bugs find him soon.. I miss him :/
[20:00] <yofel> err... ubuntu-bots
[20:00] <Sarvatt> dajomu: so it sounds like a GPU hang most likely in that case :(
[20:00] <Sarvatt> I would try doing the same thing, only using the failsafe graphics option (still removing usplash and adding i915.modeset=0
[20:00] <dajomu> Sarvatt: but shouldn't that also make the cursor hang as well?
[20:00] <Sarvatt> nope
[20:01] <dajomu> Sarvatt: how so? isn't the cursor dependent of a running GPU
[20:01] <Sarvatt> intel gpu hangs = cursor moves and things are still up but you cant do anything besides move the cursor
[20:02] <dajomu> Sarvatt: ahh... I'll try the safemode you suggested. gonna reboot again.
[20:03] <Sarvatt> its just how it renders things.. everything but the cursor is wiped out but x and everything is still running in the background
[20:03] <iddo> at login can i use keyboard instead of mouse to choose session ? how?
[20:03] <Sarvatt> press enter?
[20:03] <QPrime> Sarvatt: I ended up opening a LP report on the ext4 karmic alpha3 issue.  we'll see if there are any others out there.
[20:04] <iddo> it has S of Sessions underlined, but how to reach it?
[20:04] <Sarvatt> press tab to cycle through it then enter
[20:04] <iddo> tab doesnt work
[20:04] <Sarvatt> probably tab to pick the session list, then down arrow to pick it then enter
[20:04] <iddo> Sarvatt: r u running 9.10 ?
[20:05] <iddo> tab only cycles thru login/password
[20:06] <yofel> iddo: try alt+k
[20:06] <iddo> hmmm
[20:06] <yofel> errr.... i mean alt+s
[20:06] <iddo> that went to keyboard selection
[20:06] <Sarvatt> tab cycles through login/password?
[20:06] <iddo> yes!
[20:06] <iddo> alt+s works
[20:07] <iddo> how was i supposed to know it's alt+s hmm...
[20:07] <yofel> actually it's alt+underlined_character
[20:07] <Sarvatt> i'm confused, dont you want to cycle through login options? :D
[20:07] <iddo> ok cool
[20:07] <iddo> new login screen is great
[20:07] <BUGabundo> iddo: is it?
[20:07] <BUGabundo> :(
[20:07] <yofel> iddo: you're about the first person with that opinion ^^
[20:08] <BUGabundo> yofel: does alt+sysreq+K work ?
[20:08] <Sarvatt> nono alt+sysreq+b!
[20:08] <Sarvatt> sysrq even
[20:08] <yofel> guys...
[20:08] <iddo> how come? if u have more than one user and u can move between them with arrow keys, then press enter on selected user and type password... works great
[20:08] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: eheh that's as bad as alt+sysreq+o
[20:08] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:08] <Sarvatt> (dont really do that, I'm messing around with bugabundo) :D
[20:09] <iddo> what's not to like about the new login ?
[20:09] <Sarvatt> its had _alot_ of problems in the past few weeks
[20:09] <yofel> Sarvatt: *I* know that, but there might be others that like to try everything we write here :P
[20:09] <Sarvatt> error messages popping up every login, not being able to autologin anymore for awhile there
[20:09] <iddo> in terms of functionality it's great... maybe some people prefer something fancier visually
[20:10] <Sarvatt> i never saw it at all before
[20:10] <Sarvatt> thats why it was so good :)
[20:10] <iddo> so anyone can login to your computer?
[20:11] <Sarvatt> yep!
[20:12] <yofel> err... why doesn't password have a alt char assigned to it o.O . If I try to change the login session I can't get back to the password dialog by keyboard
[20:13] <Sarvatt> why not? pick the account and press enter?
[20:13] <iddo> yes hmm now i notice... after i switch session with alt+s i cannot continue ?
[20:14] <iddo> hmm i can do alt+c for cancel
[20:14] <yofel> Sarvatt: I picked the account, pressed alt+s to switch session and now can't get back to the Password: field, the only thing I can reach is the bottom bar and cancel
[20:16] <yofel> wtf... I can't reactivate the password field even with the mouse o.O
[20:16] <Sarvatt> kinda odd how GDM runs in its own gnome session now
[20:16] <iddo> yes but u can login with mouse
[20:17] <yofel> iddo: yes, but without password just get's you an error
[20:17] <iddo> yes its a bug :(
[20:17]  * yofel  goes filing a bug...
[20:18] <DanaG> yofel: does 'tab' not work for it?
[20:18] <Kovert> I have an issue with apt after last upgrade can some one look http://pastebin.com/d5009d099
[20:18] <yofel> DanaG: tab only switches between the items in the bottom bar, but doesn't go back to the dialog
[20:19] <iddo> maybe ask in bug report to allow keyboard shortcut back to the user selection too?
[20:19] <yofel> if it would do that there would be no reason to use alt+key
[20:20] <DanaG> It's also a big accessiblity bug.
[20:20] <DanaG> Think of people who can't use mice, or at least have a hard time with them.
[20:20] <iddo> not being able to change password even with mouse click is obviously a bug.... the missing keyboard shortcuts are annoying bugs too
[20:20] <Kovert> After this operation, 225kB of additional disk space will be used.
[20:20] <Kovert> Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y
[20:20] <Kovert> E: Invalid archive signature
[20:20] <Kovert> E: Prior errors apply to /var/cache/apt/archives/libxklavier15_4.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[20:20] <Kovert> E: Invalid archive signature
[20:20] <Kovert> E: Prior errors apply to /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-workspace-bin_4%3a4.2.98-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[20:21] <Kovert> E: Invalid archive signature
[20:21] <BUGabundo> !paste | Kovert
[20:21] <Kovert> help :-(
[20:21] <BUGabundo> oh right bot is down
[20:21] <BUGabundo> Kovert: DON'T paste several lines on channels, PLEASE
[20:21] <BUGabundo> :)
[20:21] <Kovert> BUGabundo: I did no one read it
[20:21] <Sarvatt> are you using any input methods yofel?
[20:21] <Kovert> !paist use pastebin stupid!
[20:22] <yofel> Sarvatt: as in?
[20:22] <BUGabundo> Kovert: $sudo  aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[20:22] <Kovert> THY
[20:22] <BUGabundo> kde depencies are broken again |
[20:22] <Sarvatt> japanese, german, anything not the primary system language..
[20:22] <Sarvatt> system - preferences - scim input methods
[20:23] <BUGabundo> considering yofel is from germany!
[20:24] <yofel> Sarvatt: german, and I know that the missing key assignments might be a translation bug, but to not be able to input a password after using alt+key is a bug
[20:24] <iddo> i didnt touch scim, fresh 9.10 install
[20:25] <iddo> i dont think its a translation bug... i have only english here
[20:26] <yofel> well, they're two different bugs anyway
[20:26] <iddo> it would be best if they allow tab to cycle thru everything
[20:26] <iddo> and alt+s etc. as faster shortcut
[20:27] <yofel> niiiice... now ubuntu-bug gives me a message that firefox-3.5 received and X Window System error...
[20:27] <Kovert> BUGabundo: do I worry http://pastebin.com/d4742c009
[20:27] <Kovert> ?
[20:27] <Sarvatt> yeah i was just asking because i saw someting about input methods fighting for xsettings control with g-s-d when you switch sessions
[20:28] <BUGabundo> Kovert: there are breakage but as long you don't force anything you should be safe
[20:28] <Kovert> yes however i cant install anything new
[20:28] <Sarvatt> anything in /var/log/gdm/ logs yofel?
[20:29] <Sarvatt> you might be able to enable the normal shortcuts, gdm runs in its own session and you can control what plugins run in the gdm session with gconf-editor
[20:30] <iddo> how can i set X key shortcut like alt+shift to switch input language when i dont use gnome? i used to do it in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[20:32] <Sarvatt> do you use gnome and want to be able to do it outside of gnome, or do you not use gnome at all?
[20:32] <BUGabundo> Kovert: no idea. I use gnome and some kde apps
[20:32] <BUGabundo> it works fro me
[20:33] <Kovert> ok
[20:33] <iddo> not use gnome at all
[20:33] <BUGabundo> you can try to downgrade the pacakges
[20:33] <BUGabundo> but aptitude should have fixed it for you
[20:33] <BUGabundo> unless there's a real bug in the depencies
[20:33] <Sarvatt> if you use gnome you can just change the settings in system - preferences - keyboard - layouts and it will add the xkb options to console-setup to use everywhere
[20:34] <Sarvatt> ah what options did you set before iddo? were they xkb options?
[20:34] <yofel> iddo: you can confirm it if you want: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/405006
[20:34] <Kovert> well it seems there are two things that are the issue
[20:34] <Kovert> http://pastebin.com/d4742c009
[20:34] <Sarvatt> i really am not sure but i think you can add things to /etc/default/console-setup instead now to do it
[20:35] <Sarvatt> like XKBOPTIONS="terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp"
[20:35] <Kovert> woopsw ignore that pastew bin
[20:35] <iddo> yofel: should i create an account?
[20:35] <Sarvatt> not sure how it works with multiple languages i mean
[20:35] <iddo> Sarvatt: yes i think it was XKBOPTIONS= in xorg.cong
[20:35] <iddo> conf
[20:36] <yofel> iddo: your decision, but it would be helpful if you could confirm the bug, and you need an account for that
[20:36] <Sarvatt> ahh yeah you want /etc/default/console-setup now
[20:36] <Kovert> this is the error that counts http://pastebin.com/d6e5674d1
[20:36] <Sarvatt> i just now changed "key(s) to change layout" and it added this
[20:37] <Sarvatt> XKBOPTIONS="terminate:ctrl_alt_bksp,grp:ctrl_alt_toggle"
[20:37] <Sarvatt> changed it to control+alt to change layout and it added the grp:ctrl_alt_toggle, just put whatever you used before in there i guess
[20:37] <iddo> ahh yeah now i remember, it was like grp:ctrl_alt_toggle
[20:37] <iddo> thanks
[20:37] <iddo> i'll try it
[20:38] <Sarvatt> i dont know how you set it up for multiple languages though
[20:38] <Sarvatt> i guess you need to add the right XKBVARIANT="" though
[20:38] <Sarvatt> looks simple enough
[20:39] <iddo> i think grp: was enough
[20:40] <iddo> trying launchpad account now
[20:41] <Sarvatt> you can use setxkbmap -option "grp:ctrl_alt_toggle" to test it without rebooting
[20:43] <Sarvatt> thats odd, i cant reproduce it yofel
[20:44] <Sarvatt> my x stack is nothing like karmics though
[20:47] <Kovert> can I get help with an issue I am having as I tried to get to Alpha 3 http://pastebin.com/d6e5674d1
[20:49] <dajomu> Sarvatt: nah... that didn't work either
[20:50] <dajomu> Sarvatt: what does "Buffer I/O error on device sr0..." mean? what is sr0
[20:50] <yofel> Kovert: does apt-get -f install give you anything useful?
[20:50] <Kovert> not sure let me pastebin it
[20:51] <Kovert> http://pastebin.com/d51705bf4
[20:51] <Sarvatt> http://sarvatt.com/downloads/apport.NmehQS.txt
[20:52] <Sarvatt> cd drive dajomu
[20:52] <yofel> Kovert: can you run 'apt-get clean' and then try again?
[20:53] <Kovert> I can try
[20:53] <dajomu> Sarvatt: so my problem could be related to the cd-drive?
[20:54] <Kovert> yofel: same :-(
[20:54] <Sarvatt> try manually installing those packages also Kovert
[20:55] <Kovert> ng
[20:56] <Sarvatt> does any other package pop up when you try manually doing it?
[20:56] <Kovert> I tried sudo apt-get -f install kdebase-workspace-data
[20:56] <Kovert> Reading package lists... Done
[20:56] <Kovert> Building dependency tree
[20:56] <Kovert> Reading state information... Done
[20:56] <Kovert> kdebase-workspace-data is already the newest version.
[20:56] <yofel> iddo: can you go to the yellow line where it says 'new', click on the yellow button that will appear and select 'Confirmed' there? Thanks
[20:56] <Kovert> yes
[20:57]  * dajomu is leaving for some food
[20:57] <Kovert> kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins (= 4:4.2.96-0ubuntu4) but 4:4.2.98-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[20:57] <Sarvatt> are you on lpia by any chance?
[20:57] <Sarvatt> ah nope 4.2.98 wouldnt even be offered there
[20:57] <Kovert> what lpia a kind of pita
[20:58] <Sarvatt> how are you updating?
[20:58] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade?
[20:59] <Kovert> tried that
[20:59] <Kovert> I have one repository graeff thats non standard
[21:00] <Sarvatt> debconf: apt-extracttemplates failed: Bad file descriptor
[21:00] <Sarvatt> corrupted file
[21:00] <durt> Is there a preferred method/setup for ssh in karmic now?
[21:01] <Sarvatt> #
[21:01] <Sarvatt> #
[21:01] <Sarvatt> dpkg-deb: `/var/cache/apt/archives/libxklavier15_4.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb' is not a debian format archive
[21:01] <Kovert> durt: apt-get install openssh
[21:01] <Sarvatt> sorry didnt mean to paste those 2 extra lines
[21:01] <iddo> yofel: ok i did confirm on yellow line
[21:01] <durt> Kovert, I did an 'apt-get install ssh' difference?
[21:01] <Sarvatt> Kovert: sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives//libxklavier15_4.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[21:01] <Sarvatt> then sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:01] <yofel> iddo: Thx :)
[21:02] <Kovert> Sarvatt: rm: cannot remove `/var/cache/apt/archives//libxklavier15_4.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb': No such file or directory
[21:03] <Sarvatt> sorry i added an extra /
[21:03] <Sarvatt> sudo rm /var/cache/apt/archives/libxklavier15_4.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[21:03] <Kovert> durt: think so
[21:04] <alteregoa> high
[21:04] <Kovert> Sarvarm: cannot remove `/var/cache/apt/archives/libxklavier15_4.0-0ubuntu2_i386.deb': No such file or directory
[21:04] <Kovert> tt:
[21:04] <alteregoa> how can i raidify /root?
[21:04] <Sarvatt> oh sheesh, I really need to read more
[21:04] <Sarvatt> E: Invalid archive signature
[21:04] <alteregoa> i want a raid1 for /
[21:06] <durt> Kovert,  'couldn't find package openssh', but I'll get in openssh-blacklist etc and see what works if anything
[21:06] <alteregoa> should i dd if /dev/sda1 of /dev/sda2?
[21:07] <yofel> durt: I think you mean openssh-client or openssh-server
[21:09] <durt> yofel, I think ssh is a task which brings in the server, but I can't use the client without sudo infront of it, wondering why the change from jaunty?
[21:09] <Sarvatt> try sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True
[21:09] <Sarvatt> then sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:09] <Sarvatt> are there any errors in the apt-get update?
[21:10] <yofel> durt: huh? I can use ssh just fine here. What error does it give you if you use it without sudo?
[21:10] <Sarvatt> Kovert: like bzip2: (stdin): trailing garbage after EOF ignored for instance
[21:11] <Sarvatt> if the first doesnt work, try sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::BrokenProxy=true
[21:12] <durt> yofel, a very long missive about mitm attack and RSA key changed.
[21:12] <yofel> o.O
[21:13] <yofel> durt: you mean like the key for the known host has changed?
[21:13] <durt> yofel, first time sshing in to my desktop, so I'm thinking ssh is not setup properly.
[21:14] <durt> yofel, which is different from my experience in jaunty.
[21:14] <yofel> durt: could you move the ~/.ssh/known_hosts file somewhere else or rename it?
[21:14] <yofel> and then try again?
[21:15] <durt> yofel, I could, but it should be empty.
[21:15] <yofel> durt: on the *client* side
[21:17] <durt> yofel, ya, that worked. how come?
[21:19] <yofel> durt: if you reinstall the system or change the network settings on the server pc then his rsa key will change and ssh will believe that you have a mitm attack. It should also tell you the broken key and the line in the known_hosts file that is broken, so just delete that line and you'll be fine.
[21:19] <durt> yofel, I see, thanks.
[21:20] <Sarvatt> oh heck, dont tell me ya werent here when i said all that stuff Kovert :D
[21:21] <durt> ya Sarvatt, that wasn't very nice.
[21:21] <Sarvatt> can anyone tell me what the default Quit string is in xchat text events?
[21:22] <Sarvatt> Kovert: did you get it working?
[21:22] <durt> 'Leaving'?
[21:24] <Sarvatt> it should be a long string of text with $$'s in it
[21:24] <durt> Sarvatt, "%C23*%O$t%C23$1 has quit (%O%C@#%B%B$2%O%C23)"
[21:25] <Sarvatt> thanks a ton!!
[21:25] <durt> those are ohs not zeros
[21:25] <Sarvatt> cut and pasted it
[21:26] <Sarvatt> yuck have to change it in every channel
[21:26] <durt> Sarvatt, crap, missed 23 after the second last C
[21:27] <durt> Sarvatt, and no @# (supposed to be 23)
[21:28] <Sarvatt> oh no i just had to press enter for it to stick, whoops
[21:40] <BUGabundo> 2nd compiz crash today :(
[21:42] <Kovert> wow crash city
[21:43] <Kovert> Sarvatt: still there?
[21:43] <Sarvatt> yep
[21:43] <yofel> Kovert: how did you end up in bug land? :P
[21:44] <Kovert> ok Sarvatt last you had me trying to remove a file that did not exist
[21:44] <Sarvatt> ah yeah you missed all the other ones
[21:44] <Kovert> yeah
[21:44] <Kovert> care to paste?
[21:44] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::http::No-Cache=True
[21:44] <Sarvatt> are there any errors when you run that?
[21:45] <Kovert> yesting
[21:45] <Kovert> nope
[21:45] <alteregoa> seamonkey
[21:45] <Kovert> seamonkey domonkey?
[21:46] <alteregoa> i upgraded that
[21:46] <alteregoa> i have no clue, sounds like a game
[21:46] <Kovert> Sarvatt: thagt worked
[21:46] <Sarvatt> do you get the same errors when you sudo apt-get dist-upgrade after that Kovert?
[21:46] <Sarvatt> ah good
[21:47] <Kovert> yes
[21:47] <Sarvatt> you got a corrupted package list
[21:47] <Sarvatt> oh you do?
[21:47] <Kovert> yes
[21:47] <Sarvatt> darn
[21:47] <Kovert> exacylu
[21:47] <Kovert> exacyly
[21:47] <Sarvatt> do you have anything in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/?
[21:48] <Kovert> let me check
[21:48] <Sarvatt> asking because it'll affect the next command i give ya
[21:48] <Kovert> nope
[21:48] <Kovert> Sarvatt: Command me
[21:49] <Sarvatt> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.bak && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get check && sudo apt-get update && sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.bak /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::BrokenProxy=true && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:49] <BUGabundo> ohh that sounds kinky
[21:49] <Sarvatt> long one :D
[21:49] <BUGabundo> nooooooooo no dist upgrade Sarvatt
[21:49] <BUGabundo> kde dendecies are broken
[21:49] <Sarvatt> LOL
[21:49] <BUGabundo> that will mess his system
[21:49] <BUGabundo> use aptitude !!!
[21:49] <Sarvatt> dang where were you an hour ago!
[21:49] <BUGabundo> yofel_: you alright?
[21:50] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I said that already 4h ago!!!!
[21:50] <Sarvatt> so it looks like KDE is messed up Kovert, not a problem on your end :)
[21:50] <yofel> yofel: yup, annoying 24h disconnect -.-
[21:50] <Kovert> ra@karmic:~$ sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.bak && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get check && sudo apt-get update && sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.bak /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::BrokenProxy=true
[21:50] <Kovert> mv: cannot stat `/etc/apt/sources.list': No such file or directory
[21:50] <BUGabundo> ahh???
[21:50] <Kovert> Arghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[21:50] <BUGabundo> no such dir?
[21:51] <yofel> BUGabundo: yup, annoying 24h disconnect -.-
[21:51] <BUGabundo> yofel: LOLOL bad isp!
[21:51] <yofel> and I'm talking to myself again - duh
[21:51] <Sarvatt> oh sorry try this one Kovert
[21:52] <Kovert> Sarvatt: ready
[21:52] <Sarvatt> sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.bak && sudo apt-get clean && sudo apt-get check && touch /etc/apt/sources.list &&sudo apt-get update && sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.bak /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update -o Acquire::BrokenProxy=true && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:52] <Sarvatt> ?
[21:52] <Kovert> yofel: I dont hear you
[21:52] <Sarvatt> just touching an empty sources.list if yer already in the middle of those
[21:52] <yofel> Kovert: huh?
[21:52] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo says the KDE packages are screwed up right now though so its not a problem with your package lists Kovert
[21:53] <Kovert> mv: cannot stat `/etc/apt/sources.list': No such file or directory
[21:53] <Kovert> ok
[21:53] <Kovert> so i am ded till they fix it?
[21:53] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I was melding (diff) my backup and my new install and I'm missing everything from alsa :SS
[21:54] <Kovert> yofel:  YOU SAID NO ONE COULD HEAR YOU
[21:54] <Kovert> sorry caps
[21:54] <yofel> Kovert: I did? when?
[21:54] <Sarvatt> Kovert: just sudo mv /etc/apt/sources.bak /etc/apt/sources.list
[21:54]  * BUGabundo bit** slaps Kovert
[21:54] <Sarvatt> then sudo apt-get update and wait it out
[21:55] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: will sources.list recreate it self ???
[21:55] <Sarvatt> i had him move it to a backup
[21:55] <BUGabundo> ah
[21:55] <Sarvatt> thought his package lists got corrupted
[21:55] <BUGabundo> sooooo where did ALSA go ?!
[21:56] <Kovert> ok Back to same old error
[21:56] <BUGabundo> // Automatically reboot *WITHOUT CONFIRMATION* if a
[21:56] <BUGabundo> // the file /var/run/reboot-required is found after the upgrade
[21:56] <BUGabundo> //Unattended-Upgrade::Automatic-Reboot "false";
[21:56] <BUGabundo> this is funny
[21:57]  * BUGabundo look its MSFT all over again ! :x
[21:57] <Sarvatt> lol
[21:57] <BUGabundo> its CAPS and everything
[21:57] <Kovert> Ok just checking I juts wait a day or so and try again
[21:57] <Sarvatt> just watch https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives//karmic-changes/2009-July/date.html for the upload Kovert
[21:57] <BUGabundo> DPkg::Post-Invoke {"if [ -d /var/lib/update-notifier ]; then touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp; fi; if [ -e /var/run/updates-available ]; then echo > /var/run/updates-available; fi "};
[21:57] <BUGabundo> vs
[21:58] <BUGabundo> DPkg::Post-Invoke {"if [ -d /var/lib/update-notifier ]; then touch /var/lib/update-notifier/dpkg-run-stamp; fi; if [ -e /var/lib/update-notifier/updates-available ]; then echo > /var/lib/update-notifier/updates-available; fi "};
[21:58] <BUGabundo> so my old system had a small bug in there!!
[21:58] <BUGabundo> glad I clean installed !
[21:58] <BUGabundo> -e /var/run/updates-available VS  -e /var/lib/update-notifier/updates-available
[21:59] <Kovert> ok thanks all
[21:59] <Kovert> try in a few days
[22:01] <Sarvatt> a few hours probably would be enough..
[22:01] <Sarvatt> at least i saw him quit that time :D
[22:03] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:04] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: but we always question ourselfs, after have written a long reply. what to do?
[22:04] <BUGabundo> to hit enter, and echo into the void
[22:04] <BUGabundo> or delete it, and suffer in silence
[22:04] <Sarvatt> at least i had an excuse before :)
[22:05]  * BUGabundo takes a long and deep breath before considering purging Pulse Audio
[22:05] <BUGabundo> WOOT
[22:05] <BUGabundo> the bot IS HERE
[22:05]  * BUGabundo hots ubottu
[22:05] <yofel> yay, wb ubottu
[22:05] <BUGabundo> *hugs
[22:05] <BUGabundo> !ping
[22:05] <Sarvatt> so you switched to KDE BUGabundo?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> gnome still
[22:05] <BUGabundo> !ping
[22:05] <Sarvatt> was going to say thats a _really_ bad idea to do on gnome right now
[22:06] <BUGabundo> but I do use several KDE apps
[22:06] <BUGabundo> and support their project
[22:06] <yofel> !fail
[22:06] <BUGabundo> I know many of the core devs
[22:06]  * BUGabundo kicks the bot
[22:06] <BUGabundo> seems to work when he is actually here
[22:06] <BUGabundo> !ping
[22:06]  * BUGabundo hates the bot
[22:06] <Sarvatt> g-s-d gets stuck in a loop trying to respawn the nonexistant pulse plus you lose all your hotkeys
[22:07] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: wanna do a quick and nice test?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> reboot into recovery console, and try the dpkg option there
[22:08] <BUGabundo> mine loops it self 'cause of the damn flash-instaler I never wished to isntall
[22:08] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[22:08] <BUGabundo> nothing like a good kick you know where :)
[22:08] <BUGabundo> hey ubottu. how have you been? we missed you! a LOT
[22:09] <yofel> huh? didn't he know !fail before?
[22:09] <yofel> !yum
[22:09] <yofel> !apt
[22:10] <billybigrigger> afternoon all
[22:11] <Sarvatt> heyo mr. webcam!
[22:11] <BUGabundo> ahahahahah
[22:11] <BUGabundo> what's that Sarvatt?
[22:12] <Sarvatt> you're Mr. Compiz, DanaG is Mr. Keycodes, billybigrigger is Mr. Webcam :)
[22:12] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, was going to ask you about that, i saw that there has been some work done to v4l-dvb, but not merged into rc4
[22:13] <Sarvatt> :D
[22:13] <billybigrigger> would it be a safe bet to cherry pick those commits? or wait until they're merged into the kernel?
[22:13]  * yofel feels ignored ;;
[22:13] <billybigrigger> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/mchehab/linux-next.git;a=summary
[22:13] <Sarvatt> ya dont complain about the same thing every day enough yofel :)
[22:14] <billybigrigger> haha
[22:14] <yofel> true :P
[22:14] <billybigrigger> i don't have much to complain about except the webcam, if i had my laptop to test on might be a different story
[22:14] <BUGabundo> err
[22:14] <Sarvatt> billybigrigger: wouldn't hurt, just git pull git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mchehab/linux-next.git on top of your linus tree to get it all :D
[22:14] <BUGabundo> why am I Compiz dude ?!!?!!?!
[22:15] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, what compiz problems?
[22:15] <Sarvatt> I dunno, you havent complained about compiz that much recently now that I think about it
[22:15]  * syn-ack debootstraps
[22:15] <billybigrigger> also the fact of me being an nvidia user, can't test kms/radeon/intel problems :P
[22:15] <BUGabundo> besides 30 mins ago when did I last complain about it ?!?
[22:15] <syn-ack> I'm an intel user. :P
[22:15]  * syn-ack hides
[22:16] <BUGabundo> iPoRn: you must leave my nick alone, from your profile :p
[22:16] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, git pull and not git cherry-pick?
[22:17] <iPoRn> ;p
[22:17] <Sarvatt> BUGabundo: 00:33 UTC 07/24 2009 :)
[22:18] <Sarvatt> yeah just pull the whole branch onto it, the things ya want might be reliant on other changes in there
[22:19] <Sarvatt> it'll only merge the changes specific to that repo, no worries
[22:19] <billybigrigger> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/234085/
[22:20] <billybigrigger> do i have to specify i want to merge into ~/linux-2.6 then?
[22:20] <Sarvatt> you must have it set up funky
[22:20] <Sarvatt> is that not a clone of linux-2.6?
[22:20] <billybigrigger> only your funky way :P
[22:20] <billybigrigger> yeah
[22:20] <Sarvatt> try adding master at the end?
[22:21] <billybigrigger> there we go
[22:21] <billybigrigger> hmm should have asked this first, i probably should have git pulled to update the master branch, then merge those v4l-dvb changes after right?
[22:22] <billybigrigger> or will it matter if i git pull to update it afterwards
[22:25] <Sarvatt> maybe its because i dont ever work on master or something.. 127  git pull git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/mchehab/linux-next.git  -- http://sarvatt.com/git/cgit.cgi/linux/commit/?h=2.6.31-rc2-sarvatt&id=9ca0a62d16d98f6ee4723a9f68ef72cdb2464621
[22:31] <BUGabundo> why doesn't pidgin on IRC ping show on notify-osd?
[22:32] <Shane_Fagan> you need to enable a plugin for that to worlk
[22:32] <Shane_Fagan> *work
[22:32] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: which one ??
[22:33] <Shane_Fagan> Give me a sec ill find it
[22:33] <Shane_Fagan> Libnotify popups
[22:33] <BUGabundo> don't see it
[22:34] <Shane_Fagan> Pidgin doesnt use libnotify by default and thats what notify-osd uses
[22:34] <BUGabundo> guess I forgot to install it
[22:34] <Shane_Fagan> Look for it in synaptic
[22:35] <BUGabundo> libnotify1:  Installed: 0.4.5-1
[22:35] <BUGabundo> synaptic??? how hardcore are you ?! :D
[22:35] <BUGabundo> pidgin-libnotify:  Installed: (none)
[22:35] <BUGabundo> found the culprid
[22:38] <BUGabundo> cd: 143: can't cd to /var/cache/flashplugin-installer
[22:38] <BUGabundo> new stuff ?? LOL
[22:39] <Shane_Fagan> I am hardcore :)
[22:39] <yofel> ok.. why did I get disconnected this time? o.O
[22:40] <yofel> well anyway: karmic won't load my external hd -- jaunty: http://pastebin.com/f3f73dcf6 karmic: http://pastebin.com/f42683d87
[22:40] <yofel> and it's not kernel related I think, since mainline kernel 2.6.30.3 on jaunty works fine and fails on karmic
[22:42] <billybigrig> usb storage works fine here...
[22:42] <BUGabundo> yofel: you do know that mainline a karmic kernels are not the same , right?
[22:43] <yofel> BUGabundo: I know, but I needed something to compare jaunty and karmic on the same level, it doesn't work with the karmic kernel as well
[22:43] <billybigrigger> yofel, http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/234100/
[22:43] <yofel> odd thing is, only this drive doesn't work, my other 2 work fine -> wtf
[22:45] <Sarvatt> i get tons of those usb errors on every .31 kernel
[22:47] <Sarvatt> its every time i close my lid here, think the machine is hardwired to shut off the webcam on a lid close
[22:47] <Sarvatt> http://pastebin.com/f1692ff7a
[22:48] <yofel> ...
[22:48] <Sarvatt> so mainline 2.6.30.3 fails on karmic? odd
[22:49] <billybigrig> BUGabundo: i don't know how you can use pidgin for irc, not liking this at all
[22:50] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: wfm
[22:51] <billybigrigger> eh? not familiar with wfm
[22:51] <Sarvatt> wonder whats causing all the usb errors on .31, i'm even seeing the errors on arm
[22:51] <billybigrigger> oh nevermind
[22:54] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: Works For Me
[22:55] <BluesKaj> wfm really helps :)
[22:55] <BUGabundo> eheeh
[22:56] <BUGabundo> no really, pidgin as IRC is a very YMMV
[22:56] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, ya i got it :P
[22:57] <BluesKaj> dunno why ppl think an IM and IRC are somehow related
[22:57] <billybigrigger> i definitely prefer keeping xchat and piding/empathy separate
[22:59] <Leftmost> Latest brasero doesn't seem to be probing my CD drive for media. It tests /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, concludes that neither is an optical drive, then goes about its business. Any idea why this might be?
[23:00] <BUGabundo> (10:56:13 PM) freenode: with it PLAIN no one likes it
[23:00] <BUGabundo> (10:56:17 PM) freenode: enable a few plugins
[23:00] <BUGabundo> (10:56:29 PM) freenode: and its GOLD over Chocolate!
[23:01] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: OTOH I like to keep all my comunications on ONE wind!
[23:03] <billybigrigger> plugins such as?
[23:04] <BUGabundo> want the full list?
[23:04] <billybigrigger> haha no, if your saying it like you must need a few to spruce it up
[23:04] <billybigrigger> which is why it's pointless :) might as well just use an irc client
[23:06] <yofel> Sarvatt: just checked again, defenitely not the kernels fault, 2.6.28-14-generic dmesg: http://pastebin.com/f7109ef9f
[23:08] <Sarvatt> nice, thats a jaunty kernel on karmic?
[23:08] <yofel> Sarvatt: yup :P
[23:09] <Sarvatt> so libusb maybe?
[23:09] <Sarvatt> nope
[23:09] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: well do you use plain ubuntu look or plain FF?
[23:10] <BUGabundo> or  do you make them a bit more personal ?
[23:10] <Sarvatt> grabbing every source i can think of to grep it :D
[23:10] <billybigrigger> bookmarks for FF is all, no plugins
[23:10] <billybigrigger> and change the gtk theme and background is all i do :P
[23:11] <BUGabundo> anyone usinf FF 3.6 and greasemonkey?
[23:11] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: well I add collors to pidgin irc and a few other minor things.
[23:12] <BUGabundo> I got coinflip
[23:12] <BUGabundo> Flips a coin: HEADS
[23:12] <BUGabundo> a dice
[23:12]  * BUGabundo rolls 2 6-sided dice: 6 2
[23:12] <BUGabundo> DiffTopic
[23:12] <BUGabundo> the /exec
[23:12] <BUGabundo> the Google I Feel Lucky
[23:13] <BUGabundo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO7B-mSwNzI
[23:13] <BUGabundo> that's: /google billybigrigger
[23:13] <billybigrigger> haha i need a nick change, i hate being associated with truckers, that's not really what my nick means
[23:14] <BUGabundo> ahaah
[23:14] <BUGabundo> blame google
[23:14] <BUGabundo> I have highlight
[23:14] <Sarvatt> the errors are kernel errors so that doesnt help, boo :(
[23:14] <BUGabundo> History
[23:14] <BUGabundo> ignore
[23:15] <BUGabundo> even irssi Features :)
[23:15] <billybigrigger> anyone else loose kb multimedia keys lately? i just noticed this
[23:15] <yofel> Sarvatt: yes, I'm pretty much out of ideas where to search -.-
[23:16] <BUGabundo> The Purple 8 Ball says:  Not likely
[23:16] <Sarvatt> drivers/usb/core/hub.c:		dev_err(hub_dev, "unable to enumerate USB device on port %d\n",
[23:16] <Sarvatt> same here :(
[23:16] <BUGabundo> brb
[23:16] <BUGabundo> restarting pidgin
[23:17] <Sarvatt> hmm actually, i can cause it to spam errors in dmesg just by closing my lid, what can i do to find out whats causing the errors i wonder
[23:17] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, where are you finding that hub.c error?
[23:18] <Sarvatt> kernel source
[23:18] <Sarvatt> its something userland causing the kernel to give the error so it doesnt help
[23:20] <billybigrigger> only usb problems i have are with the webcam
[23:20] <billybigrigger> and i don't have a lid to close
[23:20] <billybigrigger> so i'm too much of a help
[23:20] <BUGabundo> back
[23:20] <billybigrigger> and i don't know if the webcam is kernel/gspca or usb problem
[23:21] <BUGabundo> anyone knows the guy behind greasemonkey??
[23:21] <Sarvatt> no udev events happening
[23:26] <billybigrigger> /var/log/udev isn't timestamped
[23:26] <billybigrigger> so i take it, that it doesn't log constantly?
[23:26] <billybigrigger> does it log when initialized or how does that work?
[23:34] <billybigrigger> Sarvatt, why do i always have dkms problems installing my kernel?
[23:34] <BUGabundo> soooooooooooooo
[23:35] <BUGabundo> all this USB probs you guys are talking about
[23:35] <BUGabundo> could that be the cause for my kernel frezes?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> when I plug my 3G modem ?
[23:35] <Shane_Fagan> Yes
[23:35] <BUGabundo> only happens on -4
[23:35] <Shane_Fagan> Its prob a small bug
[23:35] <billybigrigger> maybe that's why i don't see any usb problems
[23:35] <billybigrigger> still running -3 here
[23:36] <yofel> guy, my last dmesg with the errors was with 2.6.28-14-generic, so I doubt that
[23:36] <Shane_Fagan> I have a few usb issues in karmic, I think its prob stuff not implemented yet
[23:36] <BUGabundo> other then a backtrace on mine
[23:36] <BUGabundo> I see nothing about my previous crash
[23:37] <BUGabundo> I guess it didn't even had time to write to disk
[23:37] <billybigrigger> yofel, has a point
[23:37] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/234127/
[23:37] <BUGabundo> backtrace
[23:37] <Shane_Fagan> BUGabundo: There prob isnt a apport hook for that error maybe
[23:38] <BUGabundo> Jul 26 23:32:02 blubug kernel: [   97.510931] RIP: 0010:[<ffffffff813f29af>]  [<ffffffff813f29af>] dbs_cpufreq_notifier+0x1f/0x40
[23:38] <BUGabundo> humm cpu ?
[23:38] <BUGabundo> damn
[23:38] <BUGabundo> apw: around??
[23:38] <BUGabundo> apw: Jul 26 23:32:02 blubug kernel: [   97.510931] RIP: 0010:[<ffffffff813f29af>]  [<ffffffff813f29af>] dbs_cpufreq_notifier+0x1f/0x40 http://paste.ubuntu.com/234127/
[23:41] <BUGabundo> (11:40:04 PM) freenode: tooo many topics on the table
[23:41] <BUGabundo> (11:40:10 PM) freenode: lets clear stuff:
[23:41] <BUGabundo> (11:40:19 PM) freenode: 1st: FF crash is GM related!
[23:41] <BUGabundo> (11:40:27 PM) freenode: at least it looks like it
[23:41] <BUGabundo> (11:40:36 PM) freenode: 2nd: -3 has that trace
[23:41] <BUGabundo> (11:40:53 PM) freenode: 3rd: -4 freezes on some usbs
[23:43] <BUGabundo> here is the one from usb http://paste.ubuntu.com/234131/
[23:48] <BUGabundo> bug 405063
[23:50] <BluesKaj> FF is really falling down in linux ... slow and bloated
[23:51] <iddo> how to uninstall FF ?
[23:53] <iddo> apt-get remove says only 127k will be freed?
[23:53] <BluesKaj> iddo,  sudo aptitude remove firefox
[23:54] <BluesKaj> iddo,  it leaves a settings file behind in case you reinstall
[23:55] <iddo> how come only 127k will be freed?
[23:57] <BUGabundo> very stupid question: does hearphones work for you guys???
[23:57] <BUGabundo> I have *two* earphones that only work one side
[23:57] <Shane_Fagan> Yes
[23:57] <BUGabundo> or none at all
[23:57] <Shane_Fagan> Mine work
[23:57] <BUGabundo> not sure, if it is PA, laptop HW, or hearphones
[23:57] <SeveredCross> It's your headphones.
[23:57] <SeveredCross> Mine work
[23:58] <BUGabundo> both ??
[23:58] <BUGabundo> just one side?
[23:58] <Shane_Fagan> Both
[23:58] <arand> iddo: maybe the main firefox package is just a metapackage, kinda.
[23:59] <SeveredCross> It is.
[23:59] <yofel> arand: yes, it depends on firefox-3.0 and firefox-3.0-branding
[23:59] <iddo> i didnt remove ff yet, so not sure if 127k will be freed or more
[23:59] <SeveredCross> aptitude remove firefox should fix it.