| Riddell | shtylman: artwork is kwwii's domain | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Riddell | I don't know about openoffice, wasn't it waiting on an upstream release? | 00:00 |
| shtylman | hmm..might be... | 00:01 |
| shtylman | well...the stuff is there...so whenever that happens we will have the free space from kde3 libs | 00:01 |
| Riddell | we don't have kde 3 libs currently | 00:04 |
| Riddell | we have an unthemed openoffice | 00:04 |
| shtylman | oh...goodie :) | 00:04 |
| shtylman | no wonder it looks like death | 00:04 |
| shtylman | I was wondering about that... | 00:04 |
| Riddell | shtylman: do you know what upstream release of openoffice we've waiting for? | 00:05 |
| shtylman | Riddell: I think 3.2 ? | 00:06 |
| shtylman | or one of the 3.1 lines | 00:06 |
| shtylman | 3.1 actually | 00:06 |
| shtylman | yea...I 3.1 if I remember right from a conversation I had with ccheney | 00:07 |
| claydoh | ScottK: re: release notes they were mostly done before I got there, I did add a few images, etc | 00:13 |
| seele | shtylman: if you are looking for something to do, printing needs love | 00:41 |
| shtylman | seele: what type of love does it need?? also seele...take a look at: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/installer_dialog.png | 00:42 |
| shtylman | I want to change the installer popup dialogs to that... | 00:43 |
| shtylman | (ignore the other things we talked about) that have been fixed in the real version | 00:43 |
| shtylman | seele: ?? | 01:06 |
| Riddell | shtylman: the system-config-printer-tool needs to get feature parity with the gnome one, and have usability love applied | 01:08 |
| Riddell | it's all python | 01:08 |
| shtylman | Riddell: alrights...whats the project name? | 01:08 |
| shtylman | system-config-printer-tool? | 01:09 |
| shtylman | and you mean the thing under system settings -> printer configuration? | 01:10 |
| shtylman | hehehe...git .. and not hosted in lp :) | 01:11 |
| Riddell | yes that's the one | 01:12 |
| Riddell | system-config-printer-kde | 01:12 |
| Riddell | it's in kdeadmin | 01:12 |
| shtylman | k | 01:12 |
| Riddell | it's a port of system-config-printer which is a gnome tool and somewhere in fedora's git hosting | 01:12 |
| Riddell | there's bits still needing ported, bits needing fixed, then the usability plan to be applied | 01:13 |
| shtylman | so do I just pull all of kdeadmin/ubuntu code? or can I just get the printer config part? | 01:13 |
| Riddell | get it from KDE SVN | 01:13 |
| shtylman | k | 01:13 |
| shtylman | ahh so this is upstream related... | 01:13 |
| Riddell | it's developed by Kubuntu and generously donated upstream | 01:14 |
| shtylman | :) | 01:14 |
| shtylman | any idea where it is located in the svn? off the top of your head | 01:14 |
| Riddell | it's the sort of thing upstream isn't very good at (geeks don't care about printing) but distros are (our users do print) | 01:14 |
| shtylman | the kde svn is a web of doom | 01:14 |
| Riddell | trunk/KDE/kdeadmin | 01:14 |
| shtylman | thx | 01:14 |
| shtylman | where is that spec? | 01:17 |
| shtylman | that I am supposed to follow... | 01:17 |
| Riddell | well the spec is just get the gnome version and port it to KDE | 01:17 |
| shtylman | alrighty :) | 01:17 |
| Riddell | then there's a .pdf file in the sources with seele's design | 01:18 |
| Riddell | so get it running and see what's missing compared to the gnome version | 01:18 |
| Riddell | (they layout of the gnome version has changed since to the fileview layout) | 01:18 |
| shtylman | alright...I just pulled the gnome version | 01:19 |
| shtylman | lemme try to get the running | 01:19 |
| shtylman | from git | 01:19 |
| shtylman | and then try to get the kde one running | 01:19 |
| shtylman | and then go from there ... | 01:19 |
| shtylman | is anyone else currently on this? | 01:23 |
| shtylman | or has it sorta been orphaned? | 01:24 |
| Riddell | nope | 01:24 |
| Riddell | well it's always on my Todo | 01:24 |
| Riddell | but not reached the top yet this cycle | 01:24 |
| shtylman | heh...I see | 01:24 |
| shtylman | does it ever? | 01:24 |
| Riddell | it did for a bit last cycle | 01:27 |
| shtylman | well...I can't promise any miracles...but I will "look into it" :) | 01:27 |
| seele | Riddell: it did? for a few hours near the end of feature freeze? | 01:30 |
| shtylman | alright...well got the gtk one running... | 01:34 |
| shtylman | so you want a clone...?? | 01:34 |
| seele | there ought to be a printing page somewhere with a design spec | 01:35 |
| seele | there were several functionality differences | 01:35 |
| shtylman | seele: well..I have the pdf that is in trunk | 01:36 |
| shtylman | but I swear...I have seen this functionality in kde already...havn't I? | 01:36 |
| shtylman | anyhow..ok...just give me ALL the info ya got..and I can go from there :) | 01:37 |
| seele | the functionality or the ui? there was a kde3 printer config tool | 01:37 |
| Riddell | seele: for at least a day | 01:37 |
| Riddell | shtylman: it's been in KDE 4 for a few releases now, but it's not complete | 01:37 |
| seele | Riddell: oooh, a full day? sorry about the underestimation | 01:37 |
| shtylman | Riddell: its the one we all currently use right? | 01:38 |
| Riddell | shtylman: yes | 01:38 |
| shtylman | and yall just want it brought up to speed and make "prettier" and more "usable" | 01:38 |
| shtylman | make sure i understand :) | 01:39 |
| shtylman | Riddell: the version I pulled from trunk...can I run that independently? or is there a special "run this module" command i need?? | 01:39 |
| shtylman | holy shit...it is 4k lines?. .. | 01:42 |
| shtylman | jesus :) | 01:42 |
| shtylman | that will need to be put into separate files... | 01:42 |
| Riddell | it needs installed into /usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde | 01:42 |
| shtylman | k | 01:42 |
| Riddell | then run kcmshell4 system-config-printer-kde | 01:42 |
| shtylman | so I can just modify the system files there if I want? | 01:43 |
| shtylman | modify in place and whatnot... | 01:43 |
| * DaskreeCH yawns | 01:44 | |
| DaskreeCH | Ok Where are we ? :) | 01:44 |
| shtylman | lost :) | 01:44 |
| Riddell | shtylman: yes you can | 01:45 |
| Riddell | shtylman: I typically work on it in bzr in a branch somewhere under https://code.edge.launchpad.net/system-config-printer then dump it back to KDE when it's ready | 01:46 |
| shtylman | Riddell: noted | 01:47 |
| DaskreeCH | seele: ping | 01:47 |
| shtylman | should I go with what is in trunk as a starting point? or your branch Riddell? | 01:54 |
| Riddell | I don't think I have a current branch | 01:55 |
| seele | DaskreeCH: pong | 01:55 |
| shtylman | lp:system-config-printer ?? | 01:55 |
| shtylman | or is that a mirror of svn? | 01:55 |
| DaskreeCH | seele: would kuser in System settings be a paperkut? | 01:56 |
| Riddell | right that's what I worked on last, it was synced to svn once I finished so go with svn | 01:56 |
| shtylman | ahh ok...gotcha | 01:56 |
| Riddell | DaskreeCH: it's a whole application, hardly a papercut | 01:56 |
| DaskreeCH | Riddell: It's not like it doesn't exist it does | 01:57 |
| DaskreeCH | it just doesn't turn up in system settings | 01:57 |
| seele | DaskreeCH: uh.. no | 01:57 |
| seele | that sounds like a bug, not a design problem | 01:57 |
| DaskreeCH | Can't recall why right now | 01:57 |
| DaskreeCH | ah paperkuts are design issues | 01:59 |
| DaskreeCH | I'd probably have to think about those for a while. | 01:59 |
| DaskreeCH | Defaults don't count then? | 01:59 |
| seele | uhm.. well the program exists as a design project so yeah | 01:59 |
| seele | depends | 01:59 |
| DaskreeCH | on? | 01:59 |
| seele | on the default? why it is being changed? what needs done to change it? | 02:00 |
| seele | i cant really make a sweeping generalization that all default changes are papercuts or related to design issues | 02:00 |
| DaskreeCH | Well I meant in a kubuntu sense of the word most defaults are just taken from KDE so it would more be an issue of should it be changed in Kubuntu or upstream | 02:01 |
| DaskreeCH | which entails a larger discussion than just a karmic release I would suppose | 02:01 |
| DaskreeCH | I've been really distracted this cycle so I haven't even been doing thorough bug hunting on the KDE 4.3 release :( | 02:02 |
| DaskreeCH | I'm trying to make it up by finding some paperkuts for the karmic release :) | 02:02 |
| DaskreeCH | Side note anyone been running Koffice ? | 02:03 |
| DaskreeCH | I tried to install Krita and it made me install the KDE 3 version | 02:03 |
| ScottK | IIRC upstream declared the KDE 4 one "not ready". | 02:05 |
| DaskreeCH | Yes I know but there for testing | 02:06 |
| DaskreeCH | I had actually intended to use Krita (KDE3 version is waaay nicer btw) so it's not a complaint I was just wondering why when I had the Koffice 2 RC instaleld it would prefer the Krita KDE3 version | 02:07 |
| ScottK | If you want KDE4 one, install krita-kde4. | 02:07 |
| DaskreeCH | Ah that would probably be it | 02:08 |
| DaskreeCH | doing this at 3:00 might have clouded that :) | 02:08 |
| ScottK | Perhaps. | 02:08 |
| DaskreeCH | Hmm I thik that having the person's name from the install should make an entry in the Kaddressbook but that's probably not a paperkut either | 02:09 |
| DaskreeCH | Does the quick access plasmoid in KDE 4.3 RC3 have a tooltip on hover for anyone? | 02:10 |
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