[00:00] <Riddell> shtylman: artwork is kwwii's domain
[00:00] <Riddell> I don't know about openoffice, wasn't it waiting on an upstream release?
[00:01] <shtylman> hmm..might be...
[00:01] <shtylman> well...the stuff is there...so whenever that happens we will have the free space from kde3 libs
[00:04] <Riddell> we don't have kde 3 libs currently
[00:04] <Riddell> we have an unthemed openoffice
[00:04] <shtylman> oh...goodie :)
[00:04] <shtylman> no wonder it looks like death
[00:04] <shtylman> I was wondering about that...
[00:05] <Riddell> shtylman: do you know what upstream release of openoffice we've waiting for?
[00:06] <shtylman> Riddell: I think 3.2 ?
[00:06] <shtylman> or one of the 3.1 lines
[00:06] <shtylman> 3.1 actually
[00:07] <shtylman> yea...I 3.1 if I remember right from a conversation I had with ccheney
[00:13] <claydoh> ScottK: re: release notes they were mostly done before I got there, I did add a few images, etc
[00:41] <seele> shtylman: if you are looking for something to do, printing needs love
[00:42] <shtylman> seele: what type of love does it need?? also seele...take a look at: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/installer_dialog.png
[00:43] <shtylman> I want to change the installer popup dialogs to that...
[00:43] <shtylman> (ignore the other things we talked about) that have been fixed in the real version
[01:06] <shtylman> seele: ??
[01:08] <Riddell> shtylman: the system-config-printer-tool needs to get feature parity with the gnome one, and have usability love applied
[01:08] <Riddell> it's all python
[01:08] <shtylman> Riddell: alrights...whats the project name?
[01:09] <shtylman> system-config-printer-tool?
[01:10] <shtylman> and you mean the thing under system settings -> printer configuration?
[01:11] <shtylman> hehehe...git .. and not hosted in lp :)
[01:12] <Riddell> yes that's the one
[01:12] <Riddell> system-config-printer-kde
[01:12] <Riddell> it's in kdeadmin
[01:12] <shtylman> k
[01:12] <Riddell> it's a port of system-config-printer which is a gnome tool and somewhere in fedora's git hosting
[01:13] <Riddell> there's bits still needing ported, bits needing fixed, then the usability plan to be applied
[01:13] <shtylman> so do I just pull all of kdeadmin/ubuntu code? or can I just get the printer config part?
[01:13] <Riddell> get it from KDE SVN
[01:13] <shtylman> k
[01:13] <shtylman> ahh so this is upstream related...
[01:14] <Riddell> it's developed by Kubuntu and generously donated upstream
[01:14] <shtylman> :)
[01:14] <shtylman> any idea where it is located in the svn? off the top of your head
[01:14] <Riddell> it's the sort of thing upstream isn't very good at (geeks don't care about printing) but distros are (our users do print)
[01:14] <shtylman> the kde svn is a web of doom
[01:14] <Riddell> trunk/KDE/kdeadmin
[01:14] <shtylman> thx
[01:17] <shtylman> where is that spec?
[01:17] <shtylman> that I am supposed to follow...
[01:17] <Riddell> well the spec is just get the gnome version and port it to KDE
[01:17] <shtylman> alrighty :)
[01:18] <Riddell> then there's a .pdf file in the sources with seele's design
[01:18] <Riddell> so get it running and see what's missing compared to the gnome version
[01:18] <Riddell> (they layout of the gnome version has changed since to the fileview layout)
[01:19] <shtylman> alright...I just pulled the gnome version
[01:19] <shtylman> lemme try to get the running
[01:19] <shtylman> from git
[01:19] <shtylman> and then try to get the kde one running
[01:19] <shtylman> and then go from there ...
[01:23] <shtylman> is anyone else currently on this?
[01:24] <shtylman> or has it sorta been orphaned?
[01:24] <Riddell> nope
[01:24] <Riddell> well it's always on my Todo
[01:24] <Riddell> but not reached the top yet this cycle
[01:24] <shtylman> heh...I see
[01:24] <shtylman> does it ever?
[01:27] <Riddell> it did for a bit last cycle
[01:27] <shtylman> well...I can't promise any miracles...but I will "look into it" :)
[01:30] <seele> Riddell: it did? for a few hours near the end of feature freeze?
[01:34] <shtylman> alright...well got the gtk one running...
[01:34] <shtylman> so you want a clone...??
[01:35] <seele> there ought to be a printing page somewhere with a design spec
[01:35] <seele> there were several functionality differences
[01:36] <shtylman> seele: well..I have the pdf that is in trunk
[01:36] <shtylman> but I swear...I have seen this functionality in kde already...havn't I?
[01:37] <shtylman> anyhow..ok...just give me ALL the info ya got..and I can go from there :)
[01:37] <seele> the functionality or the ui? there was a kde3 printer config tool
[01:37] <Riddell> seele: for at least a day
[01:37] <Riddell> shtylman: it's been in KDE 4 for a few releases now, but it's not complete
[01:37] <seele> Riddell: oooh, a full day? sorry about the underestimation
[01:38] <shtylman> Riddell: its the one we all currently use right?
[01:38] <Riddell> shtylman: yes
[01:38] <shtylman> and yall just want it brought up to speed and make "prettier" and more "usable"
[01:39] <shtylman> make sure i understand :)
[01:39] <shtylman> Riddell: the version I pulled from trunk...can I run that independently? or is there a special "run this module" command i need??
[01:42] <shtylman> holy shit...it is 4k lines?. ..
[01:42] <shtylman> jesus :)
[01:42] <shtylman> that will need to be put into separate files...
[01:42] <Riddell> it needs installed into /usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde
[01:42] <shtylman> k
[01:42] <Riddell> then run kcmshell4 system-config-printer-kde
[01:43] <shtylman> so I can just modify the system files there if I want?
[01:43] <shtylman> modify in place and whatnot...
[01:44]  * DaskreeCH yawns
[01:44] <DaskreeCH> Ok Where are we ? :)
[01:44] <shtylman> lost :)
[01:45] <Riddell> shtylman: yes you can
[01:46] <Riddell> shtylman: I typically work on it in bzr in a branch somewhere under https://code.edge.launchpad.net/system-config-printer then dump it back to KDE when it's ready
[01:47] <shtylman> Riddell: noted
[01:47] <DaskreeCH> seele: ping
[01:54] <shtylman> should I go with what is in trunk as a starting point? or your branch Riddell?
[01:55] <Riddell> I don't think I have a current branch
[01:55] <seele> DaskreeCH: pong
[01:55] <shtylman> lp:system-config-printer  ??
[01:55] <shtylman> or is that a mirror of svn?
[01:56] <DaskreeCH> seele: would kuser in System settings be a paperkut?
[01:56] <Riddell> right that's what I worked on last, it was synced to svn once I finished so go with svn
[01:56] <shtylman> ahh ok...gotcha
[01:56] <Riddell> DaskreeCH: it's a whole application, hardly a papercut
[01:57] <DaskreeCH> Riddell: It's not like it doesn't exist it does
[01:57] <DaskreeCH>  it just doesn't turn up in system settings
[01:57] <seele> DaskreeCH: uh.. no
[01:57] <seele> that sounds like a bug, not a design problem
[01:57] <DaskreeCH> Can't recall why right now
[01:59] <DaskreeCH> ah paperkuts are design issues
[01:59] <DaskreeCH> I'd probably have to think about those for a while.
[01:59] <DaskreeCH> Defaults don't count then?
[01:59] <seele> uhm.. well the program exists as a design project so yeah
[01:59] <seele> depends
[01:59] <DaskreeCH> on?
[02:00] <seele> on the default? why it is being changed? what needs done to change it?
[02:00] <seele> i cant really make a sweeping generalization that all default changes are papercuts or related to design issues
[02:01] <DaskreeCH> Well I meant in a kubuntu sense of the word most defaults are just taken from KDE so it would more be an issue of should it be changed in Kubuntu or upstream
[02:01] <DaskreeCH> which entails a larger discussion than just a karmic release I would suppose
[02:02] <DaskreeCH> I've been really distracted this cycle so I haven't even been doing thorough bug hunting on the KDE 4.3 release :(
[02:02] <DaskreeCH> I'm trying to make it up by finding some paperkuts for the karmic release :)
[02:03] <DaskreeCH> Side note anyone been running Koffice ?
[02:03] <DaskreeCH>  I tried to install Krita and it made me install the KDE 3 version
[02:05] <ScottK> IIRC upstream declared the KDE 4 one "not ready".
[02:06] <DaskreeCH> Yes I know but there for testing
[02:07] <DaskreeCH> I had actually intended to use Krita (KDE3 version is waaay nicer btw) so it's not a complaint I was just wondering why when I had the Koffice 2 RC instaleld it would prefer the Krita KDE3 version
[02:07] <ScottK> If you want KDE4 one, install krita-kde4.
[02:08] <DaskreeCH> Ah that would probably be it
[02:08] <DaskreeCH> doing this at 3:00 might have clouded that :)
[02:08] <ScottK> Perhaps.
[02:09] <DaskreeCH> Hmm I thik that having the person's name from the install should make an entry in the Kaddressbook but that's probably not a paperkut either
[02:10] <DaskreeCH> Does the quick access plasmoid in KDE 4.3 RC3 have a tooltip on hover for anyone?