[00:00] shtylman: artwork is kwwii's domain [00:00] I don't know about openoffice, wasn't it waiting on an upstream release? [00:01] hmm..might be... [00:01] well...the stuff is there...so whenever that happens we will have the free space from kde3 libs [00:04] we don't have kde 3 libs currently [00:04] we have an unthemed openoffice [00:04] oh...goodie :) [00:04] no wonder it looks like death [00:04] I was wondering about that... [00:05] shtylman: do you know what upstream release of openoffice we've waiting for? [00:06] Riddell: I think 3.2 ? [00:06] or one of the 3.1 lines [00:06] 3.1 actually [00:07] yea...I 3.1 if I remember right from a conversation I had with ccheney [00:13] ScottK: re: release notes they were mostly done before I got there, I did add a few images, etc [00:41] shtylman: if you are looking for something to do, printing needs love [00:42] seele: what type of love does it need?? also seele...take a look at: http://shtylman.com/stuff/kubuntu_installer/installer_dialog.png [00:43] I want to change the installer popup dialogs to that... [00:43] (ignore the other things we talked about) that have been fixed in the real version [01:06] seele: ?? [01:08] shtylman: the system-config-printer-tool needs to get feature parity with the gnome one, and have usability love applied [01:08] it's all python [01:08] Riddell: alrights...whats the project name? [01:09] system-config-printer-tool? [01:10] and you mean the thing under system settings -> printer configuration? [01:11] hehehe...git .. and not hosted in lp :) [01:12] yes that's the one [01:12] system-config-printer-kde [01:12] it's in kdeadmin [01:12] k [01:12] it's a port of system-config-printer which is a gnome tool and somewhere in fedora's git hosting [01:13] there's bits still needing ported, bits needing fixed, then the usability plan to be applied [01:13] so do I just pull all of kdeadmin/ubuntu code? or can I just get the printer config part? [01:13] get it from KDE SVN [01:13] k [01:13] ahh so this is upstream related... [01:14] it's developed by Kubuntu and generously donated upstream [01:14] :) [01:14] any idea where it is located in the svn? off the top of your head [01:14] it's the sort of thing upstream isn't very good at (geeks don't care about printing) but distros are (our users do print) [01:14] the kde svn is a web of doom [01:14] trunk/KDE/kdeadmin [01:14] thx [01:17] where is that spec? [01:17] that I am supposed to follow... [01:17] well the spec is just get the gnome version and port it to KDE [01:17] alrighty :) [01:18] then there's a .pdf file in the sources with seele's design [01:18] so get it running and see what's missing compared to the gnome version [01:18] (they layout of the gnome version has changed since to the fileview layout) [01:19] alright...I just pulled the gnome version [01:19] lemme try to get the running [01:19] from git [01:19] and then try to get the kde one running [01:19] and then go from there ... [01:23] is anyone else currently on this? [01:24] or has it sorta been orphaned? [01:24] nope [01:24] well it's always on my Todo [01:24] but not reached the top yet this cycle [01:24] heh...I see [01:24] does it ever? [01:27] it did for a bit last cycle [01:27] well...I can't promise any miracles...but I will "look into it" :) [01:30] Riddell: it did? for a few hours near the end of feature freeze? [01:34] alright...well got the gtk one running... [01:34] so you want a clone...?? [01:35] there ought to be a printing page somewhere with a design spec [01:35] there were several functionality differences [01:36] seele: well..I have the pdf that is in trunk [01:36] but I swear...I have seen this functionality in kde already...havn't I? [01:37] anyhow..ok...just give me ALL the info ya got..and I can go from there :) [01:37] the functionality or the ui? there was a kde3 printer config tool [01:37] seele: for at least a day [01:37] shtylman: it's been in KDE 4 for a few releases now, but it's not complete [01:37] Riddell: oooh, a full day? sorry about the underestimation [01:38] Riddell: its the one we all currently use right? [01:38] shtylman: yes [01:38] and yall just want it brought up to speed and make "prettier" and more "usable" [01:39] make sure i understand :) [01:39] Riddell: the version I pulled from trunk...can I run that independently? or is there a special "run this module" command i need?? [01:42] holy shit...it is 4k lines?. .. [01:42] jesus :) [01:42] that will need to be put into separate files... [01:42] it needs installed into /usr/share/kde4/apps/system-config-printer-kde [01:42] k [01:42] then run kcmshell4 system-config-printer-kde [01:43] so I can just modify the system files there if I want? [01:43] modify in place and whatnot... [01:44] * DaskreeCH yawns [01:44] Ok Where are we ? :) [01:44] lost :) [01:45] shtylman: yes you can [01:46] shtylman: I typically work on it in bzr in a branch somewhere under https://code.edge.launchpad.net/system-config-printer then dump it back to KDE when it's ready [01:47] Riddell: noted [01:47] seele: ping [01:54] should I go with what is in trunk as a starting point? or your branch Riddell? [01:55] I don't think I have a current branch [01:55] DaskreeCH: pong [01:55] lp:system-config-printer ?? [01:55] or is that a mirror of svn? [01:56] seele: would kuser in System settings be a paperkut? [01:56] right that's what I worked on last, it was synced to svn once I finished so go with svn [01:56] ahh ok...gotcha [01:56] DaskreeCH: it's a whole application, hardly a papercut [01:57] Riddell: It's not like it doesn't exist it does [01:57] it just doesn't turn up in system settings [01:57] DaskreeCH: uh.. no [01:57] that sounds like a bug, not a design problem [01:57] Can't recall why right now [01:59] ah paperkuts are design issues [01:59] I'd probably have to think about those for a while. [01:59] Defaults don't count then? [01:59] uhm.. well the program exists as a design project so yeah [01:59] depends [01:59] on? [02:00] on the default? why it is being changed? what needs done to change it? [02:00] i cant really make a sweeping generalization that all default changes are papercuts or related to design issues [02:01] Well I meant in a kubuntu sense of the word most defaults are just taken from KDE so it would more be an issue of should it be changed in Kubuntu or upstream [02:01] which entails a larger discussion than just a karmic release I would suppose [02:02] I've been really distracted this cycle so I haven't even been doing thorough bug hunting on the KDE 4.3 release :( [02:02] I'm trying to make it up by finding some paperkuts for the karmic release :) [02:03] Side note anyone been running Koffice ? [02:03] I tried to install Krita and it made me install the KDE 3 version [02:05] IIRC upstream declared the KDE 4 one "not ready". [02:06] Yes I know but there for testing [02:07] I had actually intended to use Krita (KDE3 version is waaay nicer btw) so it's not a complaint I was just wondering why when I had the Koffice 2 RC instaleld it would prefer the Krita KDE3 version [02:07] If you want KDE4 one, install krita-kde4. [02:08] Ah that would probably be it [02:08] doing this at 3:00 might have clouded that :) [02:08] Perhaps. [02:09] Hmm I thik that having the person's name from the install should make an entry in the Kaddressbook but that's probably not a paperkut either [02:10] Does the quick access plasmoid in KDE 4.3 RC3 have a tooltip on hover for anyone?