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| ace_suares | quiet here | 03:47 |
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| Ahmuck_ | . | 03:52 |
| === Ahmuck_ is now known as Ahmuck | ||
| ace_suares | hi | 03:56 |
| ace_suares | gotta go sleep soon. But I just upgrade a running server from 6.06 to 8.04 about 5000 miles/9000 km away. | 03:57 |
| ace_suares | That was fun. Amazing that these people can make such software. | 03:57 |
| ace_suares | nighty | 04:03 |
| dgroos | hasta pasta | 04:03 |
| Ahmuck | hi dgroos | 04:08 |
| dgroos | Howdy Ahmuck | 04:08 |
| dgroos | Ahmuck: here's a sample cmap on the web. It's not a concept map though, just a web: https://cmap.mpls.k12.mn.us/servlet/SBReadResourceServlet?rid=1GB1J213P-BTSM22-H25Q&partName=htmltext | 04:11 |
| dgroos | oh yea, don't pay attention to the security warnings--I still need to buy and install a certificate from GoDaddy for the site... | 04:13 |
| Ahmuck | heh | 04:15 |
| dgroos | And here's a more informative one, presenting some of the concepts of the Growing Communities of Scientist project I'm working on. https://cmap.mpls.k12.mn.us/servlet/SBReadResourceServlet?rid=1168132868165_1388154678_2906&partName=htmltext | 04:18 |
| dgroos | between my students, other teachers and my self, we've got over a thousand of these things. You can also annotate bubbles with links, making this a great tool to explain Edubuntu. | 04:19 |
| Ahmuck | freemind? | 04:20 |
| dgroos | Lots of lines--nice tree look. More limited layout options and I couldn't figure out how to write the connecting phrases between bubbles which elevates a web or mind-map to a concept map. | 04:30 |
| dgroos | Also, I don't think they do the simultaneous editing of maps which is powerful. | 04:31 |
| dgroos | Have you worked with it? | 04:31 |
| Ahmuck | freemind? yes | 04:34 |
| dgroos | what have you used it for? | 04:35 |
| Ahmuck | organizing my thoughts | 04:42 |
| dgroos | I like a lot that it is open source. Is there a server on the web for them so that they can be directly published on the web? | 04:44 |
| dgroos | Hi Svenstaro | 04:44 |
| Svenstaro | Hiho | 04:44 |
| Ahmuck | hiyo Svenstaro | 04:53 |
| Ahmuck | i'm glad to see you | 04:53 |
| Svenstaro | I should be on IRC more regularly I guess | 04:54 |
| Ahmuck | interestedin some of the more documentation/wiki stuff? | 04:54 |
| Svenstaro | Actually, no. Today I'm trying to work down my list of tasks as well as I can despite my ADHD and see how far I can come. The next-next task on my list is fixing up Sabayon. | 04:55 |
| dgroos | Ah! working on Sabayon-- I like to hear that one... | 04:56 |
| Ahmuck | u might want to hook up with sbalneav or stgraber then. i don't know which. i know they are actively working on it | 04:57 |
| dgroos | Mainly sbalneav, I beleav | 04:58 |
| Svenstaro | That'd be sbalneav. And yes, I know. I'll try to take the bug report and don't do stuff myself. | 04:58 |
| Svenstaro | But still, how hard can it be to launch an Xnest, do some stuff in it, end the xnest and put the changes into the students accounts? | 04:59 |
| dgroos | :) | 04:59 |
| dgroos | Nestor explained some of the difficulties involved, sounded like a can of worms. | 05:00 |
| Svenstaro | There are no problem that a bit of bash hacking couldn't solve :) | 05:05 |
| Svenstaro | Mhm time for breakfast | 05:08 |
| dgroos | Time for bed :) Night. | 05:08 |
| Svenstaro | Time for bedfast. Night | 05:08 |
| Ahmuck | anybody here seen landscape? | 07:39 |
| nubae | yup | 07:39 |
| Ahmuck | hows that compare to ltsp? | 07:41 |
| Ahmuck | hi nubae | 07:41 |
| Ahmuck | thought you had dropped off the earth | 07:41 |
| Ahmuck | :) | 07:41 |
| nubae | why's that? :-) | 07:43 |
| Svenstar0 | Landscape seems to be what would be needed to manage many PCs at once (not thin clients) | 07:52 |
| Svenstar0 | Seems like a good solution for what it does. | 07:52 |
| Ahmuck | this might be a better solution than ltsp? | 07:54 |
| Ahmuck | LDAP, NFS, and Landscape? | 07:54 |
| Ahmuck | though it appears to be a "software as a service" which i hate those type of situations | 07:54 |
| Svenstar0 | It's a completely different solution to the problem. It assumes harddisks on the clients which isn't a bad thing to begin with considering all the problems involved with high network bandwidth and multimedia application on LTSP but it doesn't address thin clients per-se. | 07:55 |
| nubae | highvoltage pint | 10:41 |
| nubae | ping even | 10:41 |
| highvoltage | nubae: pont and pong | 10:48 |
| nubae | the package ltsp-cluster-lbagent seems broken in karmic | 11:11 |
| nubae | have u tested it? | 11:11 |
| nubae | at least, I can't install it... and stops anything else from being upgraded | 11:12 |
| highvoltage | nubae: what happens? | 11:24 |
| nubae | * Starting ltsp-cluster-lbagent... [fail] | 11:30 |
| nubae | invoke-rc.d: initscript ltsp-cluster-lbagent, action "start" failed. | 11:30 |
| nubae | dpkg: error processing ltsp-cluster-lbagent (--configure): | 11:30 |
| ogra | is that in a chroot ? | 11:40 |
| nubae | nope | 11:45 |
| nubae | in a vz | 11:45 |
| ogra | so daemons can run regulary and you have a proc filesystem and udev runs etc etc | 11:47 |
| nubae | yup | 11:48 |
| nubae | so... any ideas why its failing? I've tried it on another karmic image, with the same results | 12:08 |
| highvoltage | nubae: it happens here as well, | 12:24 |
| highvoltage | nubae: it's because start-stop-daemon doesn't "understand --daemon" | 12:24 |
| highvoltage | nubae: sorry, that was just because I didn't have some variables set, I'll get on it | 12:26 |
| nubae | ok, how can I fix it locally for now? | 12:31 |
| highvoltage | nubae: I'm looking at the start-stop-deamon man page, but the line actually looks fine | 12:34 |
| highvoltage | nubae: I'll have to ask stgraber | 12:34 |
| nubae | looks like lbagent module is missing | 12:35 |
| nubae | root@ltsp-appserv01:/# ltsp-cluster-lbagent | 12:36 |
| nubae | Traceback (most recent call last): | 12:36 |
| nubae | File "/usr/sbin/ltsp-cluster-lbagent", line 5, in <module> | 12:36 |
| nubae | from lbagent import main | 12:36 |
| nubae | ImportError: No module named lbagent | 12:36 |
| nubae | well its not missing, just can't find it | 12:37 |
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| dgroos | Anyone know where I can get newish docs for the Sabayon (profile management)? I've seen this blog but it's pretty old and not complete: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/sabayon | 14:13 |
| Svenstar0 | dgroos, you are most likely out of luck there | 14:17 |
| dgroos | :( | 14:18 |
| === LadiesMan217 is now known as vorian | ||
| mhall119|work | morning | 14:48 |
| mhall119|work | is Sabayon only for Gnome, or would it work for XFCE too? | 14:48 |
| dgroos | Morning mhall119|work | 14:50 |
| dgroos | That Q is beyond me... | 14:50 |
| dgroos | Now if you had a question about sequencing instructional units or useful activities to teach the 3 kinds of tectonic plate interaction :) ... | 14:52 |
| === Guest47454 is now known as jussi01 | ||
| dgroos | BTW have you checked out this page of Edubuntu Community overview? We have yet to have a developer or consultant enliven their sections. | 15:01 |
| dgroos | http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AfDSviukLb6wZGdzY2huOHhfMTFndGY0ZGRnYw&hl=en | 15:01 |
| ace_suares | dgroos: yeah i've looked at it, seen that it is update too | 15:06 |
| ace_suares | i wouldnt have high hopes of anyone adding too it | 15:06 |
| ace_suares | for different reasons | 15:06 |
| ace_suares | i was going to mail the list about it and how it's a good idea | 15:06 |
| ace_suares | but i would have also converted it to the wiki and ask you to see if you canwork with that | 15:07 |
| ace_suares | the problem with the google doc as is is that you have to invite people to participate | 15:07 |
| ace_suares | i might mail about it this week | 15:08 |
| ace_suares | first i wanted to see how it developed :_) | 15:08 |
| dgroos | ace_suares: I agreee that this info needs to go on our wiki. | 15:20 |
| dgroos | I also agree that any new technology has an entrance curve, I remember you saying that about the wiki. | 15:21 |
| dgroos | I also think that google-docs has advantages not offered by our wiki eg wysiwyg editing, simultaneous editing and easy versioning. | 15:22 |
| dgroos | If you added some developer and/or consultant perspectives, we would be closer... | 15:24 |
| dgroos | As a teacher (and I've created a few pages on the wiki too) I do like these wysiwyg features. | 15:25 |
| ace_suares | dgroos: i like the wysiwig too but edubuntu has the wiki now | 18:07 |
| ace_suares | I hope to at least clean up the wiki and then discuss other tools | 18:07 |
| * ogra points to gobby | 18:08 | |
| ace_suares | you got to explain me one day how we can all edit the googledoc, i mean, should we all have an account at some place that automatically gives access, maybe via openid | 18:08 |
| mhall119|work | gobby is good for real-time collaboration | 18:23 |
| mhall119|work | but it doesn't have the permanance of a wiki | 18:24 |
| ogra | try gobby.ubuntu.com with it ;) | 18:24 |
| ogra | if you have a central server its great for WIP documents | 18:25 |
| ogra | which you then dump into the wiki | 18:25 |
| dgroos | I like--better said, love--wikis. They are the shared knowledge repositories of a community. | 18:40 |
| highvoltage | mhall119|work: it would be so nice if wiki's had gobby-like features | 18:41 |
| dgroos | Thanks ace_suares for your focus on wiki-cleaning. | 18:42 |
| highvoltage | ace_suares: how is the wiki-cleaning going? | 18:42 |
| dgroos | I was looking at google-docs again and it seems a new feature (I've not seen it before) is sharing with a list-serve. Not sure how it works. Let me try it and see... | 18:43 |
| dgroos | http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=86152&topic=15129 | 18:44 |
| dgroos | oops--here's the link to sharing with lists: http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=66343 | 18:46 |
| Ahmuck | any need for a icecast/ices radio broadcast doc? | 18:49 |
| dgroos | OK--I've tried to share w/both user and devel lists and supposedly doesn't require sign-in--not tried before. | 18:51 |
| ace_suares | dgroos: cppl so its possible. I like the gobby suggestion too. For instance, you and Ahmuck would could be working on a documents enhancing Gavins instructions and the make a wiki page from it... for example | 18:51 |
| ogra | thats how we work at UDS, all people discussing a spec use gobby and take notes in the same document ... at the end of the discussion the doc gets turned into a wikipage | 18:52 |
| Ahmuck | ace_suares: my backs against the wall here at work. i'm overextended. if you have a particular task, i'll take small tasks, but you'll have to assign them | 18:52 |
| Ahmuck | so what would it take to get gobby to work here? | 18:53 |
| ogra | apt-get install gooby :) | 18:53 |
| dgroos | ace_suares cppl? Calcasieu Parish Public Library? | 18:53 |
| ogra | and in the connection dialog use gobby.ubuntu.com | 18:53 |
| Ahmuck | ubuntu is causing me attention deficit disorder :( | 18:54 |
| Svenstaro | Using google docs is silly, yet another resource to look after. WE HAVE ENOUGH DISTRIBUTION. Sorry for the caps. | 18:55 |
| dgroos | Gobby sounds very cool. Let me check it out and I'll get back--I'll try to convert the google doc and see how that goes as well. | 18:55 |
| dgroos | Svenstaro--google-docs is only a temp. collab. tool. I use it for creating a grant, planning a trip, etc. It's a powerful tool for such. | 18:56 |
| Ahmuck | abiword ? | 18:57 |
| Ahmuck | ogra, so i've got gobby | 18:58 |
| Ahmuck | and connected | 18:58 |
| Ahmuck | creating a test doc won't hurt? | 18:58 |
| Ahmuck | ace_suares: so ur commited to managing the wiki? | 19:00 |
| Ahmuck | ogra: k, got it | 19:18 |
| Ahmuck | i see a list of docs, i assume they are something that was actively worked on and are available to edit ? | 19:18 |
| Ahmuck | dgroos: u here? | 19:20 |
| jelkner | hi all, i have a question about interest on this channel in sugar | 19:21 |
| dgroos | working on installing gobby on my mac--while I've already have X11 installed, looks like I need gcc and more and there isn't a simple apt-get... | 19:21 |
| jelkner | has it been a topic here? | 19:21 |
| Ahmuck | it has been | 19:22 |
| dgroos | I'm moving to my Ubuntu | 19:22 |
| Ahmuck | nubae has been pushing to get it done | 19:22 |
| jelkner | Ahmuck: great | 19:22 |
| jelkner | thanks | 19:22 |
| Ahmuck | jelkner: ur question? | 19:22 |
| Ahmuck | i'd like to see it. iirc, it has not been packaged. | 19:22 |
| Ahmuck | i'd like to use it | 19:22 |
| jelkner | Ahmuck: let's talk | 19:23 |
| jelkner | i am *very* interested in sugar | 19:23 |
| jelkner | since i work in a school | 19:23 |
| Ahmuck | u develop? | 19:23 |
| jelkner | sort of | 19:23 |
| jelkner | i'm a teacher ;-) | 19:23 |
| Ahmuck | been to the #sugar channel? | 19:23 |
| jelkner | (those that can, do and all ;-) | 19:23 |
| jelkner | all the time | 19:24 |
| jelkner | http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs_DC | 19:24 |
| dgroos | welcome teachers! | 19:24 |
| jelkner | in fact, i had a student intern working all summer on a sugar project | 19:24 |
| jelkner | specifically, he was working on gasp, and adding it to pippy | 19:25 |
| jelkner | what i'm grappling with now is what we here in dc should take on next | 19:25 |
| jelkner | one possibility is contributing to soas | 19:25 |
| jelkner | but that is fedora | 19:26 |
| jelkner | and i'm an ubuntu guy | 19:26 |
| jelkner | so i wanted to ask here first if there is interest in getting sugar to work again on ubuntu | 19:26 |
| jelkner | (or work for the first time, really) | 19:26 |
| jelkner | it sort of worked on hardy | 19:26 |
| jelkner | but not really | 19:26 |
| jelkner | i want to see if there is a way we can contribute | 19:27 |
| jelkner | and find out what has been going on | 19:27 |
| highvoltage | jelkner: morgs has been working on sugar packaging, but besides that interest has been relatively low. there's been a few people who wanted to try it out | 19:33 |
| Ahmuck | actually i think nubae would enjoy the help | 19:33 |
| Ahmuck | or morgs | 19:33 |
| Ahmuck | i'd like to see it, but haven't been able to, as i understand it doesn't quit work in ubuntu | 19:34 |
| jelkner | if interest is relatively low (as unfortunate as that may be), then i would find more fertile fields to sow elsewhere | 19:35 |
| jelkner | that's what i wanted to figure out | 19:35 |
| Ahmuck | *sigh* | 19:35 |
| jelkner | i'm ready to be an active participant in an effort | 19:35 |
| Ahmuck | what would be low interest? | 19:35 |
| Ahmuck | considered | 19:35 |
| jelkner | not sure | 19:35 |
| jelkner | basically, i have much enthusiasm but limited skills | 19:36 |
| jelkner | that can be a recipe for trouble | 19:36 |
| Ahmuck | i think for sugar to have a higher interest on *ubuntu, first it's going to need a package that works | 19:36 |
| Ahmuck | ah, ok | 19:36 |
| jelkner | Ahmuck: precisely | 19:37 |
| jelkner | that's the kind of thing i can't do | 19:37 |
| jelkner | i'm interested in: | 19:37 |
| Ahmuck | maybee a document on how to get current sugar to work on ubuntu (not from package repos) | 19:37 |
| jelkner | 1. learning and teaching sugar development | 19:37 |
| jelkner | 2. using sugar with kids (and other learners) | 19:37 |
| jelkner | 3. writing educational materials for sugar | 19:38 |
| jelkner | 4. developing Activities for sugar | 19:38 |
| jelkner | what i can't do is | 19:38 |
| jelkner | 1. the low level os stuff to make sugar work with ubuntu | 19:38 |
| jelkner | 2. packaging | 19:39 |
| jelkner | though i have a few students who can package | 19:39 |
| highvoltage | jelkner: imho sugar doesn't really get the credit it deserves, it's a pity about negreponte's recent comments as well | 19:39 |
| Lns | Hey all | 19:39 |
| jelkner | highvoltage: sugar is *really cool* | 19:39 |
| highvoltage | hey Lns | 19:39 |
| jelkner | i didn't see negroponte's comments | 19:40 |
| highvoltage | jelkner: I'll find a link | 19:40 |
| Lns | FYI, since you're talking about Sugar, the IT director at the district I work with is VERY interested in Sugar for the younger students | 19:40 |
| jelkner | but i don't particularly care what he thinks | 19:40 |
| Lns | it would be *awesome* to get it working well via ltsp | 19:40 |
| jelkner | Lns: totally! | 19:40 |
| jelkner | we run ubuntu in my classroom both ways | 19:40 |
| jelkner | ltsp and local boot to hard drive | 19:41 |
| Ahmuck | jelkner: based on your comments, i'd say that what you and do can be done for sugar in general | 19:41 |
| Ahmuck | more importantly, there is currently an interest in documentation for apps in ubuntu | 19:41 |
| highvoltage | jelkner: http://www.olpcnews.com/people/negroponte/olpc_biggest_mistake_sugar.html | 19:41 |
| Ahmuck | and it would appear that your interested in "neutral" stuff, i think it'd be great if you were writing, etc | 19:42 |
| jelkner | highvoltage: thanks | 19:43 |
| jelkner | it is interesting | 19:43 |
| jelkner | sugar is an ambitious project | 19:43 |
| jelkner | it was also not ready at olpc launch | 19:43 |
| jelkner | it is only getting "ready" now | 19:44 |
| jelkner | but it is very cool | 19:44 |
| jelkner | kids love it | 19:44 |
| jelkner | and it will only get better | 19:44 |
| highvoltage | jelkner: I agree | 19:44 |
| jelkner | so the question is am trying to resolve here today is: | 19:45 |
| jelkner | what makes more sense: working with sugar as a fedora spin (since redhat does have interest and is supporting it) | 19:45 |
| jelkner | or checking out my friends in ubuntu space to see if there is interest over here | 19:46 |
| Lns | jelkner: imho working with sugar as a generic, portable, classic OSS project (not distro based) would be best | 19:46 |
| highvoltage | jelkner: are they mutually exclusive? | 19:46 |
| jelkner | my long term goal is to develop an educational program around supporting and developing sugar | 19:47 |
| highvoltage | jelkner: I know that myself, LaserJock, morgs and a few others would very, very much like sugar packaged and well-integrated | 19:47 |
| jelkner | highvoltage: not at all, but given limited time and resources, i wanted to figure out where to focus now | 19:47 |
| jelkner | in the long term i'll be looking for sugar on my favorite os ;-) | 19:47 |
| highvoltage | jelkner: yep, that's a constant struggle, figuring out where to apply yourself best | 19:48 |
| highvoltage | (I know it is for me, at least) | 19:48 |
| jelkner | but for the time being if there is not ubuntu community interest i should wait for that to materialize (which i think it eventually will) | 19:48 |
| jelkner | highvoltage: i totally agree with you | 19:48 |
| jelkner | and it is requires constant reevaluation as things change | 19:49 |
| jelkner | so this is just a "checking in for now" visit | 19:49 |
| jelkner | to see what's up | 19:49 |
| jelkner | you have been most helpful | 19:49 |
| highvoltage | jelkner: I do suggest you talk to morgs as well | 19:49 |
| jelkner | can i email him? | 19:50 |
| highvoltage | jelkner: he'll be able to give you a *very* good idea of what's happeing with the ubuntu packages. I think he got very close to getting it right in the last release | 19:50 |
| jelkner | cool | 19:50 |
| jelkner | i should definitely do that first, then | 19:50 |
| highvoltage | jelkner: yep, morgan@ubuntu.com | 19:50 |
| * jelkner goes off to write an email... | 19:50 | |
| highvoltage | awesome :) | 19:51 |
| jelkner | highvoltage: a swing and a miss | 20:10 |
| jelkner | i sent an email | 20:10 |
| jelkner | but it bounced | 20:10 |
| jelkner | i cc'd you | 20:10 |
| jelkner | 550 Mailbox quota exceeded (in reply to RCPT TO command) | 20:11 |
| jelkner | did you get it? | 20:11 |
| jelkner | i've got to run... i'll follow up tomorrow | 20:17 |
| Lns | Does anyone here have an Ubuntu Jaunty LTSP setup they can test tux4kids apps on with sound? We need to figure out whether the issues in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/269082 are still present in Jaunty...it would be much appreciated!! | 20:19 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 269082 in tuxpaint "tuxpaint and other tux SDL driven apps slow down and/or freeze thin client terminals (ltsp)" [High,Confirmed] | 20:19 |
| Ahmuck | Lns: i do, but i've got no time to test today | 20:39 |
| Ahmuck | iirc, it was SDL sound | 20:40 |
| Lns | Ahmuck: yeah that's what i hear it is too | 20:40 |
| Lns | and then the ball is dropped since upstream SDL | 20:40 |
| Ahmuck | i have problems with pulse on my system | 20:40 |
| Ahmuck | there is some question as it might be 64 bit proc, 32 bit server, and 32 bit clients | 20:40 |
| Lns | what problems? | 20:41 |
| Ahmuck | sound quits, and reverts to the server | 20:41 |
| Ahmuck | to get sound back, i have to re-start clients | 20:42 |
| Lns | hmmm... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/216397 | 20:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 216397 in libsdl1.2 "sdl patch for better pulseaudio support" [Medium,Confirmed] | 20:42 |
| dgroos | Not sure when to mention this... Since installing jaunty, when ltsp client boots, the beautiful sound it used to make now has static/ almost firecracker sounds in the background. Any one else seen this? not just on 1 client machine. | 20:47 |
| Ahmuck | same here | 20:48 |
| dgroos | at first, thought it was the 'new sound of jaunty'. but not nice. | 20:48 |
| Ahmuck | no, something broke in jaunty | 20:50 |
| Lns | maybe that's about on par w/latest ubuntu ltsp installs stability? ;) | 20:50 |
| Lns | *static* means "You're in for some problems!!" | 20:50 |
| Lns | *grin* | 20:50 |
| ace_suares | hi | 21:32 |
| ace_suares | does anyone have the email address for jelkner who was interested in sugar ? | 21:32 |
| highvoltage | ace_suares: jeff@elkner.net | 21:55 |
| ace_suares | highvoltage: thx! | 21:55 |
| dgroos | Hi sbalneav | 22:04 |
| dgroos | I've reinstalled jaunty, hoping that would cure my sabayon ills. To no avail. | 22:04 |
| dgroos | What should I do with the logs? Is it your birthday? ;) | 22:05 |
| Ahmuck | find a way to keep jelkner. he's an instructor, the kind of people edubuntu needs | 23:43 |
| Ahmuck | actually i see a group coming togather. ace_suares, dgroos, jelkner, nubae, lns, mhall119, sbalneav stgraber highvoltage alkisg svenstaro, ogra - did i miss anybody? a mixture of non-tech, non-programmers, programmers, etc. | 23:45 |
| Svenstaro | Who are highlight my devine name. | 23:46 |
| * Lns raises an eyebrow | 23:46 | |
| Ahmuck | er, sorry, i forgot laserjock (didn't see his nick in the list) | 23:46 |
| mhall119 | who what? | 23:46 |
| alkisg | Heh... yup, lotsa people, I think edubuntu revival is actually possible now... | 23:47 |
| Svenstaro | alkisg, with that attitude, you don't even need to be here. Practice your optimism somewhere else! | 23:47 |
| Ahmuck | :p | 23:47 |
| alkisg | :D | 23:48 |
| Lns | Ahmuck: so a "group" huh? | 23:48 |
| Ahmuck | *shrugs* a working group that is moving forward, excitedly. (is that what we call a mob) | 23:49 |
| Ahmuck | or schoolground scuffle | 23:49 |
| Lns | ;) | 23:49 |
| Lns | I think an official group is necessary for us Educationally involved, Linux thin-client folk | 23:49 |
| Lns | I've been trying to think of how to manifest something like that | 23:50 |
| Ahmuck | actually i don't think it needs to be restricted to thin clients anymore. with wiki power, it's possible to outline three server/client scenarios | 23:50 |
| Ahmuck | 1. ltsp | 23:50 |
| Ahmuck | 2. ldap/nfs etc. | 23:50 |
| Ahmuck | 3. ubuntu server thingy | 23:51 |
| Svenstaro | Explain 3. please | 23:51 |
| Ahmuck | oh, i ran into it the other day when do a ubuntu server install | 23:52 |
| Svenstaro | No I mean, what would it imply? | 23:52 |
| Ahmuck | i'll need some time to think. i've been pushing 12 hour days, and i'm exhausted. brain won't work until i get more foooood! | 23:52 |
| Svenstaro | Install Ubuntu Server on every client? | 23:52 |
| Lns | have you guys heard of schoolforge? | 23:52 |
| Ahmuck | ah, no, one server maintians updates, machine configuraion, user confiugriona | 23:52 |
| Lns | http://www.schoolforge.net/ | 23:53 |
| Ahmuck | it's there, but it appears to be "software as a service" | 23:53 |
| Svenstaro | But the other clients are all harddisk installed? | 23:53 |
| Ahmuck | however from a school point of view, it works | 23:53 |
| Ahmuck | yes, ubuntu is installed on every machine, one to track them all. kind of like Lord of the Ubuntus | 23:53 |
| Ahmuck | if i understand it correctly | 23:53 |
| Lns | Ahmuck: you're thinking about "Puppet" i think | 23:53 |
| Ahmuck | lns, looking at link now | 23:54 |
| Ahmuck | lns, nope | 23:54 |
| Svenstaro | That's neat. So pretty much like Landscape | 23:54 |
| Ahmuck | but that is another options i suppose | 23:54 |
| Ahmuck | Svenstaro: yes, landscape is what i was talking about | 23:54 |
| Ahmuck | technically any one of those four scenerios are possible, just need to be outlined in the wiki | 23:54 |
| Ahmuck | with guidence on teh best option so the end user can make the intelligent choice that works for them | 23:55 |
| Svenstaro | Good thing we're on the same track. I had independantly figured those 3 out as the most feasible. | 23:55 |
| Svenstaro | LTSP should expliciply deal with localapps. | 23:55 |
| Lns | Ahmuck: http://www.canonical.com/projects/landscape | 23:55 |
| Lns | err... everyone... ^^^ =) | 23:56 |
| Svenstaro | Even more concretely, it should deal with Firefox. | 23:56 |
| Lns | hmm...landscape looks very promising...though does anyone have any actual experience with it? | 23:58 |
| Svenstaro | No, it's proprietary :( | 23:58 |
| Svenstaro | Not usable for school therefor | 23:59 |
| Lns | proprietary? it's a service | 23:59 |
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