[03:47] <ace_suares> quiet here
[03:52] <Ahmuck_> .
[03:56] <ace_suares> hi
[03:57] <ace_suares> gotta go sleep soon. But I just upgrade a running server from 6.06 to 8.04 about 5000 miles/9000 km away.
[03:57] <ace_suares> That was fun. Amazing that these people can make such software.
[04:03] <ace_suares> nighty
[04:03] <dgroos> hasta pasta
[04:08] <Ahmuck> hi dgroos
[04:08] <dgroos> Howdy Ahmuck
[04:11] <dgroos> Ahmuck: here's a sample cmap on the web.  It's not a concept map though, just a web: https://cmap.mpls.k12.mn.us/servlet/SBReadResourceServlet?rid=1GB1J213P-BTSM22-H25Q&partName=htmltext
[04:13] <dgroos> oh yea, don't pay attention to the security warnings--I still need to buy and install a certificate from GoDaddy for the site...
[04:15] <Ahmuck> heh
[04:18] <dgroos> And here's a more informative one, presenting some of the concepts of the Growing Communities of Scientist project I'm working on.  https://cmap.mpls.k12.mn.us/servlet/SBReadResourceServlet?rid=1168132868165_1388154678_2906&partName=htmltext
[04:19] <dgroos> between my students, other teachers and my self, we've got over a thousand of these things.  You can also annotate bubbles with links, making this a great tool to explain Edubuntu.
[04:20] <Ahmuck> freemind?
[04:30] <dgroos> Lots of lines--nice tree look.  More limited layout options and I couldn't figure out how to write the connecting phrases between bubbles which elevates a web or mind-map to a concept map.
[04:31] <dgroos> Also, I don't think they do the simultaneous editing of maps which is powerful.
[04:31] <dgroos> Have you worked with it?
[04:34] <Ahmuck> freemind?  yes
[04:35] <dgroos> what have you used it for?
[04:42] <Ahmuck> organizing my thoughts
[04:44] <dgroos> I like a lot that it is open source.  Is there a server on the web for them so that they can be directly published on the web?
[04:44] <dgroos> Hi Svenstaro
[04:44] <Svenstaro> Hiho
[04:53] <Ahmuck> hiyo Svenstaro
[04:53] <Ahmuck> i'm glad to see you
[04:54] <Svenstaro> I should be on IRC more regularly I guess
[04:54] <Ahmuck> interestedin some of the more documentation/wiki stuff?
[04:55] <Svenstaro> Actually, no. Today I'm trying to work down my list of tasks as well as I can despite my ADHD and see how far I can come. The next-next task on my list is fixing up Sabayon.
[04:56] <dgroos> Ah! working on Sabayon-- I like to hear that one...
[04:57] <Ahmuck> u might want to hook up with sbalneav or stgraber then.  i don't know which.  i know they are actively working on it
[04:58] <dgroos> Mainly sbalneav, I beleav
[04:58] <Svenstaro> That'd be sbalneav. And yes, I know. I'll try to take the bug report and don't do stuff myself.
[04:59] <Svenstaro> But still, how hard can it be to launch an Xnest, do some stuff in it, end the xnest and put the changes into the students accounts?
[04:59] <dgroos> :)
[05:00] <dgroos> Nestor explained some of the difficulties involved, sounded like a can of worms.
[05:05] <Svenstaro> There are no problem that a bit of bash hacking couldn't solve :)
[05:08] <Svenstaro> Mhm time for breakfast
[05:08] <dgroos> Time for bed :)  Night.
[05:08] <Svenstaro> Time for bedfast. Night
[07:39] <Ahmuck> anybody here seen landscape?
[07:39] <nubae> yup
[07:41] <Ahmuck> hows that compare to ltsp?
[07:41] <Ahmuck> hi nubae
[07:41] <Ahmuck> thought you had dropped off the earth
[07:41] <Ahmuck> :)
[07:43] <nubae> why's that? :-)
[07:52] <Svenstar0> Landscape seems to be what would be needed to manage many PCs at once (not thin clients)
[07:52] <Svenstar0> Seems like a good solution for what it does.
[07:54] <Ahmuck> this might be a better solution than ltsp?
[07:54] <Ahmuck> LDAP, NFS, and Landscape?
[07:54] <Ahmuck> though it appears to be a "software as a service" which i hate those type of situations
[07:55] <Svenstar0> It's a completely different solution to the problem. It assumes harddisks on the clients which isn't a bad thing to begin with considering all the problems involved with high network bandwidth and multimedia application on LTSP but it doesn't address thin clients per-se.
[10:41] <nubae> highvoltage pint
[10:41] <nubae> ping even
[10:48] <highvoltage> nubae: pont and pong
[11:11] <nubae> the package ltsp-cluster-lbagent seems broken in karmic
[11:11] <nubae> have u tested it?
[11:12] <nubae> at least, I can't install it...  and stops anything else from being upgraded
[11:24] <highvoltage> nubae: what happens?
[11:30] <nubae> * Starting ltsp-cluster-lbagent...                                      [fail]
[11:30] <nubae> invoke-rc.d: initscript ltsp-cluster-lbagent, action "start" failed.
[11:30] <nubae> dpkg: error processing ltsp-cluster-lbagent (--configure):
[11:40] <ogra> is that in a chroot ?
[11:45] <nubae> nope
[11:45] <nubae> in a vz
[11:47] <ogra> so daemons can run regulary and you have a proc filesystem and udev runs etc etc
[11:48] <nubae> yup
[12:08] <nubae> so... any ideas why its failing? I've tried it on another karmic image, with the same results
[12:24] <highvoltage> nubae: it happens here as well,
[12:24] <highvoltage> nubae: it's because start-stop-daemon doesn't "understand --daemon"
[12:26] <highvoltage> nubae: sorry, that was just because I didn't have some variables set, I'll get on it
[12:31] <nubae> ok, how can I fix it locally for now?
[12:34] <highvoltage> nubae: I'm looking at the start-stop-deamon man page, but the line actually looks fine
[12:34] <highvoltage> nubae: I'll have to ask stgraber
[12:35] <nubae> looks like lbagent module is missing
[12:36] <nubae> root@ltsp-appserv01:/# ltsp-cluster-lbagent
[12:36] <nubae> Traceback (most recent call last):
[12:36] <nubae>   File "/usr/sbin/ltsp-cluster-lbagent", line 5, in <module>
[12:36] <nubae>     from lbagent import main
[12:36] <nubae> ImportError: No module named lbagent
[12:37] <nubae> well its not missing, just can't find it
[14:13] <dgroos> Anyone know where I can get newish docs for the Sabayon (profile management)?  I've seen this blog but it's pretty old and not complete: http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/sabayon
[14:17] <Svenstar0> dgroos, you are most likely out of luck there
[14:18] <dgroos> :(
[14:48] <mhall119|work> morning
[14:48] <mhall119|work> is Sabayon only for Gnome, or would it work for XFCE too?
[14:50] <dgroos> Morning mhall119|work
[14:50] <dgroos> That Q is beyond me...
[14:52] <dgroos> Now if you had a question about sequencing instructional units or useful activities to teach the 3 kinds of tectonic plate interaction :) ...
[15:01] <dgroos> BTW have you checked out this page of Edubuntu Community overview?  We have yet to have a developer or consultant enliven their sections.
[15:01] <dgroos> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AfDSviukLb6wZGdzY2huOHhfMTFndGY0ZGRnYw&hl=en
[15:06] <ace_suares> dgroos: yeah i've looked at it, seen that it is update too
[15:06] <ace_suares> i wouldnt have high hopes of anyone adding too it
[15:06] <ace_suares> for different reasons
[15:06] <ace_suares> i was going to mail the list about it and how it's a good idea
[15:07] <ace_suares> but i would have also converted it to the wiki and ask you to see if you canwork with that
[15:07] <ace_suares> the problem with the google doc as is is that you have to invite people to participate
[15:08] <ace_suares> i might mail about it this week
[15:08] <ace_suares> first i wanted to see how it developed :_)
[15:20] <dgroos> ace_suares: I agreee that this info needs to go on our wiki.
[15:21] <dgroos> I also agree that any new technology has an entrance curve, I remember you saying that about the wiki.
[15:22] <dgroos> I also think that google-docs has advantages not offered by our wiki eg wysiwyg editing, simultaneous editing and easy versioning.
[15:24] <dgroos> If you added some developer and/or consultant perspectives, we would be closer...
[15:25] <dgroos> As a teacher (and I've created a few pages on the wiki too) I do like these wysiwyg features.
[18:07] <ace_suares> dgroos: i like the wysiwig too but edubuntu has the wiki now
[18:07] <ace_suares> I hope to at least clean up the wiki and then discuss other tools
[18:08]  * ogra points to gobby
[18:08] <ace_suares> you got to explain me one day how we can all edit the googledoc, i mean, should we all have an account at some place that automatically gives access, maybe via openid
[18:23] <mhall119|work> gobby is good for real-time collaboration
[18:24] <mhall119|work> but it doesn't have the permanance of a wiki
[18:24] <ogra> try gobby.ubuntu.com with it ;)
[18:25] <ogra> if you have a central server its great for WIP documents
[18:25] <ogra> which you then dump into the wiki
[18:40] <dgroos> I like--better said, love--wikis.  They are the shared knowledge repositories of a community.
[18:41] <highvoltage> mhall119|work: it would be so nice if wiki's had gobby-like features
[18:42] <dgroos> Thanks ace_suares for your focus on wiki-cleaning.
[18:42] <highvoltage> ace_suares: how is the wiki-cleaning going?
[18:43] <dgroos> I was looking at google-docs again and it seems a new feature (I've not seen it before) is sharing with a list-serve.  Not sure how it works.  Let me try it and see...
[18:44] <dgroos> http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=86152&topic=15129
[18:46] <dgroos> oops--here's the link to sharing with lists: http://docs.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=66343
[18:49] <Ahmuck> any need for a icecast/ices radio broadcast doc?
[18:51] <dgroos> OK--I've tried to share w/both user and devel lists and supposedly doesn't require sign-in--not tried before.
[18:51] <ace_suares> dgroos: cppl so its possible. I like the gobby suggestion too. For instance, you and Ahmuck would could be working on a documents enhancing Gavins instructions and the make a wiki page from it... for example
[18:52] <ogra> thats how we work at UDS, all people discussing a spec use gobby and take notes in the same document ... at the end of the discussion the doc gets turned into a wikipage
[18:52] <Ahmuck> ace_suares: my backs against the wall here at work.  i'm overextended.  if you have a particular task, i'll take small tasks, but you'll have to assign them
[18:53] <Ahmuck> so what would it take to get gobby to work here?
[18:53] <ogra> apt-get install gooby :)
[18:53] <dgroos> ace_suares cppl?  Calcasieu Parish Public Library?
[18:53] <ogra> and in the connection dialog use gobby.ubuntu.com
[18:54] <Ahmuck> ubuntu is causing me attention deficit disorder :(
[18:55] <Svenstaro> Using google docs is silly, yet another resource to look after. WE HAVE ENOUGH DISTRIBUTION. Sorry for the caps.
[18:55] <dgroos> Gobby sounds very cool.  Let me check it out and I'll get back--I'll try to convert the google doc and see how that goes as well.
[18:56] <dgroos> Svenstaro--google-docs is only a temp. collab. tool.  I use it for creating a grant, planning a trip, etc.  It's a powerful tool for such.
[18:57] <Ahmuck> abiword ?
[18:58] <Ahmuck> ogra, so i've got gobby
[18:58] <Ahmuck> and connected
[18:58] <Ahmuck> creating a test doc won't hurt?
[19:00] <Ahmuck> ace_suares: so ur commited to managing the wiki?
[19:18] <Ahmuck> ogra: k, got it
[19:18] <Ahmuck> i see a list of docs, i assume they are something that was actively worked on and are available to edit ?
[19:20] <Ahmuck> dgroos: u here?
[19:21] <jelkner> hi all, i have a question about interest on this channel in sugar
[19:21] <dgroos> working on installing gobby on my mac--while I've already have X11 installed, looks like I need gcc and more and there isn't a simple apt-get...
[19:21] <jelkner> has it been a topic here?
[19:22] <Ahmuck> it has been
[19:22] <dgroos> I'm moving to my Ubuntu
[19:22] <Ahmuck> nubae has been pushing to get it done
[19:22] <jelkner> Ahmuck: great
[19:22] <jelkner> thanks
[19:22] <Ahmuck> jelkner: ur question?
[19:22] <Ahmuck> i'd like to see it.  iirc, it has not been packaged.
[19:22] <Ahmuck> i'd like to use it
[19:23] <jelkner> Ahmuck: let's talk
[19:23] <jelkner> i am *very* interested in sugar
[19:23] <jelkner> since i work in a school
[19:23] <Ahmuck> u develop?
[19:23] <jelkner> sort of
[19:23] <jelkner> i'm a teacher ;-)
[19:23] <Ahmuck> been to the #sugar channel?
[19:23] <jelkner> (those that can, do and all ;-)
[19:24] <jelkner> all the time
[19:24] <jelkner> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs_DC
[19:24] <dgroos> welcome teachers!
[19:24] <jelkner> in fact, i had a student intern working all summer on a sugar project
[19:25] <jelkner> specifically, he was working on gasp, and adding it to pippy
[19:25] <jelkner> what i'm grappling with now is what we here in dc should take on next
[19:25] <jelkner> one possibility is contributing to soas
[19:26] <jelkner> but that is fedora
[19:26] <jelkner> and i'm an ubuntu guy
[19:26] <jelkner> so i wanted to ask here first if there is interest in getting sugar to work again on ubuntu
[19:26] <jelkner> (or work for the first time, really)
[19:26] <jelkner> it sort of worked on hardy
[19:26] <jelkner> but not really
[19:27] <jelkner> i want to see if there is a way we can contribute
[19:27] <jelkner> and find out what has been going on
[19:33] <highvoltage> jelkner: morgs has been working on sugar packaging, but besides that interest has been relatively low. there's been a few people who wanted to try it out
[19:33] <Ahmuck> actually i think nubae would enjoy the help
[19:33] <Ahmuck> or morgs
[19:34] <Ahmuck> i'd like to see it, but haven't been able to, as i understand it doesn't quit work in ubuntu
[19:35] <jelkner> if interest is relatively low (as unfortunate as that may be), then i would find more fertile fields to sow elsewhere
[19:35] <jelkner> that's what i wanted to figure out
[19:35] <Ahmuck> *sigh*
[19:35] <jelkner> i'm ready to be an active participant in an effort
[19:35] <Ahmuck> what would be low interest?
[19:35] <Ahmuck> considered
[19:35] <jelkner> not sure
[19:36] <jelkner> basically, i have much enthusiasm but limited skills
[19:36] <jelkner> that can be a recipe for trouble
[19:36] <Ahmuck> i think for sugar to have a higher interest on *ubuntu, first it's going to need a package that works
[19:36] <Ahmuck> ah, ok
[19:37] <jelkner> Ahmuck: precisely
[19:37] <jelkner> that's the kind of thing i can't do
[19:37] <jelkner> i'm interested in:
[19:37] <Ahmuck> maybee a document on how to get current sugar to work on ubuntu (not from package repos)
[19:37] <jelkner> 1. learning and teaching sugar development
[19:37] <jelkner> 2. using sugar with kids (and other learners)
[19:38] <jelkner> 3. writing educational materials for sugar
[19:38] <jelkner> 4. developing Activities for sugar
[19:38] <jelkner> what i can't do is
[19:38] <jelkner> 1. the low level os stuff to make sugar work with ubuntu
[19:39] <jelkner> 2. packaging
[19:39] <jelkner> though i have a few students who can package
[19:39] <highvoltage> jelkner: imho sugar doesn't really get the credit it deserves, it's a pity about negreponte's recent comments as well
[19:39] <Lns> Hey all
[19:39] <jelkner> highvoltage: sugar is *really cool*
[19:39] <highvoltage> hey Lns
[19:40] <jelkner> i didn't see negroponte's comments
[19:40] <highvoltage> jelkner: I'll find a link
[19:40] <Lns> FYI, since you're talking about Sugar, the IT director at the district I work with is VERY interested in Sugar for the younger students
[19:40] <jelkner> but i don't particularly care what he thinks
[19:40] <Lns> it would be *awesome* to get it working well via ltsp
[19:40] <jelkner> Lns: totally!
[19:40] <jelkner> we run ubuntu in my classroom both ways
[19:41] <jelkner> ltsp and local boot to hard drive
[19:41] <Ahmuck> jelkner: based on your comments, i'd say that what you and do can be done for sugar in general
[19:41] <Ahmuck> more importantly, there is currently an interest in documentation for apps in ubuntu
[19:41] <highvoltage> jelkner: http://www.olpcnews.com/people/negroponte/olpc_biggest_mistake_sugar.html
[19:42] <Ahmuck> and it would appear that your interested in "neutral" stuff, i think it'd be great if you were writing, etc
[19:43] <jelkner> highvoltage: thanks
[19:43] <jelkner> it is interesting
[19:43] <jelkner> sugar is an ambitious project
[19:43] <jelkner> it was also not ready at olpc launch
[19:44] <jelkner> it is only getting "ready" now
[19:44] <jelkner> but it is very cool
[19:44] <jelkner> kids love it
[19:44] <jelkner> and it will only get better
[19:44] <highvoltage> jelkner: I agree
[19:45] <jelkner> so the question is am trying to resolve here today is:
[19:45] <jelkner> what makes more sense:  working with sugar as a fedora spin (since redhat does have interest and is supporting it)
[19:46] <jelkner> or checking out my friends in ubuntu space to see if there is interest over here
[19:46] <Lns> jelkner: imho working with sugar as a generic, portable, classic OSS project (not distro based) would be best
[19:46] <highvoltage> jelkner: are they mutually exclusive?
[19:47] <jelkner> my long term goal is to develop an educational program around supporting and developing sugar
[19:47] <highvoltage> jelkner: I know that myself, LaserJock, morgs and a few others would very, very much like sugar packaged and well-integrated
[19:47] <jelkner> highvoltage: not at all, but given limited time and resources, i wanted to figure out where to focus now
[19:47] <jelkner> in the long term i'll be looking for sugar on my favorite os ;-)
[19:48] <highvoltage> jelkner: yep, that's a constant struggle, figuring out where to apply yourself best
[19:48] <highvoltage> (I know it is for me, at least)
[19:48] <jelkner> but for the time being if there is not ubuntu community interest i should wait for that to materialize (which i think it eventually will)
[19:48] <jelkner> highvoltage: i totally agree with you
[19:49] <jelkner> and it is requires constant reevaluation as things change
[19:49] <jelkner> so this is just a "checking in for now" visit
[19:49] <jelkner> to see what's up
[19:49] <jelkner> you have been most helpful
[19:49] <highvoltage> jelkner: I do suggest you talk to morgs as well
[19:50] <jelkner> can i email him?
[19:50] <highvoltage> jelkner: he'll be able to give you a *very* good idea of what's happeing with the ubuntu packages. I think he got very close to getting it right in the last release
[19:50] <jelkner> cool
[19:50] <jelkner> i should definitely do that first, then
[19:50] <highvoltage> jelkner: yep, morgan@ubuntu.com
[19:50]  * jelkner goes off to write an email...
[19:51] <highvoltage> awesome :)
[20:10] <jelkner> highvoltage: a swing and a miss
[20:10] <jelkner> i sent an email
[20:10] <jelkner> but it bounced
[20:10] <jelkner> i cc'd you
[20:11] <jelkner> 550 Mailbox quota exceeded (in reply to RCPT TO command)
[20:11] <jelkner> did you get it?
[20:17] <jelkner> i've got to run... i'll follow up tomorrow
[20:19] <Lns>  Does anyone here have an Ubuntu Jaunty LTSP setup they can test tux4kids apps on with sound? We need to figure out whether the issues in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tuxpaint/+bug/269082 are still present in Jaunty...it would be much appreciated!!
[20:39] <Ahmuck> Lns: i do, but i've got no time to test today
[20:40] <Ahmuck> iirc, it was SDL sound
[20:40] <Lns> Ahmuck: yeah that's what i hear it is too
[20:40] <Lns> and then the ball is dropped since upstream SDL
[20:40] <Ahmuck> i have problems with pulse on my system
[20:40] <Ahmuck> there is some question as it might be 64 bit proc, 32 bit server, and 32 bit clients
[20:41] <Lns> what problems?
[20:41] <Ahmuck> sound quits, and reverts to the server
[20:42] <Ahmuck> to get sound back, i have to re-start clients
[20:42] <Lns> hmmm... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libsdl1.2/+bug/216397
[20:47] <dgroos> Not sure when to mention this... Since installing jaunty, when ltsp client boots, the beautiful sound it used to make now has static/ almost firecracker sounds in the background.  Any one else seen this?  not just on 1 client machine.
[20:48] <Ahmuck> same here
[20:48] <dgroos> at first, thought it was the 'new sound of jaunty'. but not nice.
[20:50] <Ahmuck> no, something broke in jaunty
[20:50] <Lns> maybe that's about on par w/latest ubuntu ltsp installs stability? ;)
[20:50] <Lns> *static*  means "You're in for some problems!!"
[20:50] <Lns> *grin*
[21:32] <ace_suares> hi
[21:32] <ace_suares> does anyone have the email address for jelkner who was interested in sugar ?
[21:55] <highvoltage> ace_suares: jeff@elkner.net
[21:55] <ace_suares> highvoltage: thx!
[22:04] <dgroos> Hi sbalneav
[22:04] <dgroos> I've reinstalled jaunty, hoping that would cure my sabayon ills.  To no avail.
[22:05] <dgroos> What should I do with the logs?  Is it your birthday? ;)
[23:43] <Ahmuck> find a way to keep jelkner.  he's an instructor, the kind of people edubuntu needs
[23:45] <Ahmuck> actually i see a group coming togather.  ace_suares, dgroos, jelkner, nubae, lns, mhall119, sbalneav stgraber highvoltage alkisg svenstaro, ogra - did i miss anybody?  a mixture of non-tech, non-programmers, programmers, etc.
[23:46] <Svenstaro> Who are highlight my devine name.
[23:46]  * Lns raises an eyebrow
[23:46] <Ahmuck> er, sorry, i forgot laserjock (didn't see his nick in the list)
[23:46] <mhall119> who what?
[23:47] <alkisg> Heh... yup, lotsa people, I think edubuntu revival is actually possible now...
[23:47] <Svenstaro> alkisg, with that attitude, you don't even need to be here. Practice your optimism somewhere else!
[23:47] <Ahmuck> :p
[23:48] <alkisg> :D
[23:48] <Lns> Ahmuck: so a "group" huh?
[23:49] <Ahmuck> *shrugs* a working group that is moving forward, excitedly.  (is that what we call a mob)
[23:49] <Ahmuck> or schoolground scuffle
[23:49] <Lns> ;)
[23:49] <Lns> I think an official group is necessary for us Educationally involved, Linux thin-client folk
[23:50] <Lns> I've been trying to think of how to manifest something like that
[23:50] <Ahmuck> actually i don't think it needs to be restricted to thin clients anymore.  with wiki power, it's possible to outline three server/client scenarios
[23:50] <Ahmuck> 1. ltsp
[23:50] <Ahmuck> 2. ldap/nfs etc.
[23:51] <Ahmuck> 3. ubuntu server thingy
[23:51] <Svenstaro> Explain 3. please
[23:52] <Ahmuck> oh, i ran into it the other day when do a ubuntu server install
[23:52] <Svenstaro> No I mean, what would it imply?
[23:52] <Ahmuck> i'll need some time to think.  i've been pushing 12 hour days, and i'm exhausted.  brain won't work until i get more foooood!
[23:52] <Svenstaro> Install Ubuntu Server on every client?
[23:52] <Lns> have you guys heard of schoolforge?
[23:52] <Ahmuck> ah, no, one server maintians updates, machine configuraion, user confiugriona
[23:53] <Lns> http://www.schoolforge.net/
[23:53] <Ahmuck> it's there, but it appears to be "software as a service"
[23:53] <Svenstaro> But the other clients are all harddisk installed?
[23:53] <Ahmuck> however from a school point of view, it works
[23:53] <Ahmuck> yes, ubuntu is installed on every machine, one to track them all.  kind of like Lord of the Ubuntus
[23:53] <Ahmuck> if i understand it correctly
[23:53] <Lns> Ahmuck: you're thinking about "Puppet" i think
[23:54] <Ahmuck> lns, looking at link now
[23:54] <Ahmuck> lns, nope
[23:54] <Svenstaro> That's neat. So pretty much like Landscape
[23:54] <Ahmuck> but that is another options i suppose
[23:54] <Ahmuck> Svenstaro: yes, landscape is what i was talking about
[23:54] <Ahmuck> technically any one of those four scenerios are possible, just need to be outlined in the wiki
[23:55] <Ahmuck> with guidence on teh best option so the end user can make the intelligent choice that works for them
[23:55] <Svenstaro> Good thing we're on the same track. I had independantly figured those 3 out as the most feasible.
[23:55] <Svenstaro> LTSP should expliciply deal with localapps.
[23:55] <Lns> Ahmuck: http://www.canonical.com/projects/landscape
[23:56] <Lns> err... everyone... ^^^ =)
[23:56] <Svenstaro> Even more concretely, it should deal with Firefox.
[23:58] <Lns> hmm...landscape looks very promising...though does anyone have any actual experience with it?
[23:58] <Svenstaro> No, it's proprietary :(
[23:59] <Svenstaro> Not usable for school therefor
[23:59] <Lns> proprietary? it's a service