/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/28/#kubuntu-devel.txt

\shmarkey: happy birthday, old man ;)11:46
markey\sh: thanks dude :)11:50
Riddellanother birthday?  Nightrose really started a trend11:53
neversfeldemarkey: Happy Birthday11:54
Nightrosehaha - i'm obviously a trendsetter11:54
Mamarokneversfelde: I will not asnwer that lumm chap anymore, he plays dumb and dumber11:54
neversfeldeScottK: sorry that I couldn't finish the MIR, real life is really hectic these days11:54
Mamarokhe is such an idiot :(11:55
neversfeldeMamarok: one of the trolls^^11:55
Mamarokwho is op in @kubuntu-de btw?11:57
Mamaroksometimes I would love to kick people, really11:57
neversfeldeMamarok: me :), I will ask someone for op rights for you11:57
\shignore is much better ;)11:58
Mamarokneversfelde: well, I'm not always there either11:58
Mamarokbut he is a real prick, ranting in #amarok-de, too11:58
Mamaroksometimes11:58
Mamarok\sh: yes, I know11:58
Mamarokneversfelde: he really is... see what he just wrote...11:59
Riddellanyone got logs of this channel from yesterday?  the irclogs.u.c ones are incomplete and I'm trying to find the techbase page wstephenson wanted me to edit12:43
jussi01Riddell: this? [15:26:19] <wstephenson> Riddell: adding a "debugging Network Management on kubuntu" section to userbase.kde.org/NetworkManagement would be great12:45
Riddellah hah, userbase, that explains why I couldn't find it12:46
jussi01:)12:46
jussi01Riddell: do you not log channels yourself?12:53
Riddellno only what irssi keeps in scrollback (24 hours or so)12:57
jussi01Riddell: you dont have logging turned on in irssi?13:00
jussi01it should leave lovely textfiles in your home dir13:00
jussi01I think they are under ~/irclogs or something similar13:02
Riddellno I don't13:02
jussi01Ahh, ok. might be worth turning on.13:02
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Riddellit's a sladen13:25
sladenRiddell: just checking this was the right IRC channel to send somebody to13:33
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sladen(this and #ubuntu-motu;  somebody wanting to package  http://www.kontrolpack.com/  which has a K in the name;  see email)13:33
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ScottKneversfelde: No problem.  Thanks for what you were able to do.13:37
seelemaco: yeah, but that can be tedious and annoying13:59
RiddellJontheEchidna: what is an "ircview componen"?14:05
Riddellt14:05
JontheEchidnaRiddell: oh, it's a C++ class for the chat view14:05
Riddellisn't that pretty fundamental to an IRC client? :)14:06
JontheEchidnayeah14:06
RiddellJontheEchidna: what's "Marker line"?14:06
JontheEchidnawhen you go to another channel, quassel/konvi will  insert a red line at the last line you read14:07
Riddellclever14:08
JontheEchidnaalso you can insert them manually, or at least in konversation. Or at least you could, since it's broken :P14:08
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JontheEchidnaLadiesMan217: WHERE IS THE EBAY ITEM 1232123514:10
JontheEchidna;P14:11
LadiesMan217:o14:11
JontheEchidna(Transformers humor, for those wondering)14:12
JontheEchidnaarora is getting pretty good feedback... I may have to re-evaluate 0.8: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha3/Kubuntu/Feedback14:13
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JontheEchidnaooh, reorderable tabs14:16
JontheEchidnaI wonder why konqueror doesn't have those...14:16
JontheEchidnait should be as simple as setting a flag in qtabwidget14:17
Riddelldoes konversation use akonadi?14:17
JontheEchidnakonversation uses kaddressbook, if that's what you mean14:18
RiddelllI just see a tonne of akonadi debugging when I start konversation14:19
RiddelllJontheEchidna: what does it use it for?14:19
JontheEchidnaRiddelll: contacts management, you can pair up IRC people with your address book entries14:19
JontheEchidnayou can send emails from the right-click menu after you've choosen an addressbook association14:20
Riddelllclever14:24
* JontheEchidna would like arora a lot better if it had automatic tab restoration14:25
JontheEchidnacurrently, to restore the last session you have to dig around in the menus14:25
JontheEchidnaand know that the feature exists in the first place ;P14:26
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JontheEchidnaAlso, the menus are almost completely devoid of icons :(14:27
Riddellhmm, karmic buildds stuff broken on i386?14:27
JontheEchidnaall archs, udev/hal funkiness14:28
JontheEchidnaseele: btw, I just filed http://code.google.com/p/arora/issues/detail?id=553 if you want to follow it14:42
JontheEchidna(hulu and arora)14:42
vorianhulu!14:42
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yuriyJontheEchidna: not all positive feedback. Riddell: slashdot looks ok to me in konq right now14:48
voriani /7714:48
vorianpfft14:48
yuriyi should try out 0.8 though. anybody doing a backport?14:48
Riddellyuriy: try reading yesterday's news14:49
Riddellyuriy: I plan to backport it today if I can work out the new backporting scripts14:49
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RiddellScottK: in libio-compress-perl how do I know what licence the files in t/ are under?15:10
OdyXTonio_: ping15:10
JontheEchidnadpm: The %1 -> %n bug seems quite prevalent: http://paste.ubuntu.com/235225/ And that's just the plural strings that being with %n :(15:15
nixternalScottK: I can do the wireless tools widget, seems easy enough15:20
JontheEchidnabbiab15:20
dpmJontheEchidna: sorry, I was in a call. Thanks for following this up. I'll have a look at it now. The positive side is that the Spanish guys are quite responsive and they fix these things quite quickly15:41
JontheEchidnagreat :)15:42
JontheEchidnathe list might actually bigger... probably wouldn't hurt to review all plurals15:43
Riddellanything for the Kubuntu status report at the canonical desktop team meeting?15:52
sebasIt has, wheel-click on the tab and drag+drop15:59
sebas(re: JontheEchidna, reorderable tabs)15:59
JontheEchidnathat sure is a funny way to do it16:00
JontheEchidnainconsistent with every tab management system, KDE or otherwise16:00
sebasAt least you can't blame it for not having that feature :)16:01
JontheEchidnaI suppose :)16:01
* JontheEchidna goes back to pidgin16:05
nixternalScottK: shouldn't network mangler plasmoid have the features of wireless tools?16:27
nixternalScottK: if not, what parts of wireless tools would need a widget? seems a bit overkill maybe?16:28
Riddellamd64 users can try the new network manager from https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa16:44
JontheEchidnaRiddell: does that include the monolithic client?16:46
ScottKnixternal: It doesn't just do wireless, it does bluetooth too.16:46
RiddellJontheEchidna: yes16:48
Riddellbug 40493016:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 404930 in gtk-qt-engine "Request for removal (source only)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40493016:58
Riddellare we agreed on that? ^^16:58
ScottKRiddell: If JontheEchidna says so, I'm sure it's right.17:07
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JontheEchidnaI wish I had a better source for verifying it's unmaintainednesss17:11
JontheEchidnabut basically after it's trac bug tracker got filled with spam, the original author moved everything to google code, and said that he would not be working on it any more but would accept patches17:11
ScottKRiddell: Did you backport the new arora?17:12
nixternalScottK: I cannot find any documentation concerning the apps in wireless-tools and bluetooth17:13
RiddellScottK: I ran the script and I think it did what it was supposed to17:14
ScottKnixternal: There is an ITP for the stuff that was added in that upload to be a separate package in Debian. See Debian Bug17:14
ScottK53838917:14
ScottKnixternal: Debian Bug17:15
ScottK53838917:15
ScottKYou get the idea .17:15
ScottKRiddell: OK.17:15
nixternalI looklol17:15
nixternalhrmm17:15
nixternallol rather17:15
ScottKBTW, I like quassel, but I like the paste protection in konversation better.17:16
JontheEchidnalooks like arora was indeed backported: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arora/0.8.0-0ubuntu2~jaunty117:16
ScottKYep.  Update just didn't hit the mirror yet.17:17
ScottKthe/my17:18
JontheEchidnabtw, next k-d-s upload will restore all of our konversation-for-kde3 default settings (tray on by default, hide away the logs dir, sort nicknames by status)17:26
ScottKJontheEchidna: Notifications on or off by default?17:31
Riddellwaa, tray! evil!17:31
JontheEchidnaScottK: tray icon blinks when nick is highlighted17:32
ScottKJontheEchidna: But no notification like in quassel?17:32
JontheEchidnaScottK: it uses an amarok-like osd17:32
JontheEchidnasame code, I think17:32
ScottKOK.  minus points for konversation for non-standard notifcations then.17:34
JontheEchidnaRiddell: fwiw, Quassel has a tray by default too17:35
Riddellhumbug17:36
ScottKOne of (for me) quassel's killer features is the view button on the notification when I get highlighted/msg'ed.17:36
ScottKRiddell: If agateau knocks out a killer MI implementation then maybe you can get your smaller systray.17:36
* agateau is hard working on it17:37
* JontheEchidna chuckles at the latest NM plasma widget's tooltip17:38
ScottKagateau: Please make it so I can pick which apps disappear from the systray into MI.  If I can exclude IRC, I'm pretty certain to use it.17:39
agateauScottK: I am not there yet :)17:39
ScottKagateau: OK.  Please mark it on TODO then.17:39
* agateau does17:41
ScottKThanks.17:45
Riddellagateau, kwwii: word on the streets is dfaure is in Dublin same week we are, up for a KDE dinner?17:48
agateauRiddell: sure!17:48
ScottKYou're going to Dublin?17:57
RiddellScottK: to be sure17:59
ScottKWhat's in Dublin?17:59
* ScottK lived there for ~half a year a LONG time ago.17:59
Riddellthe Liffy, Dark Ale and the Canonical Platform Team Sprint17:59
ScottKAh.18:00
ScottKGuiness brewery tour used to be a lot of fun.18:00
RiddellI expect we'll be locked in a hotel for the week18:01
JontheEchidnawtf @ bug 40591318:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 405913 in ubuntu "KDE applications' "about KDE" menu element is too big!" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40591318:35
JontheEchidnacrazy screenshots18:35
Riddellweirdness.  he doesn't say what widget theme he's using though18:37
* Nightrose annoys vorian some more about her freenode problem18:43
JontheEchidnaRiddell: since gtk-qt-engine has a higher version than kcm-gtk, I think this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/235338/ is the best we can do18:46
JontheEchidnaperhaps adding some update-manager magic for dist-upgrades18:47
RiddellJontheEchidna: that should be fine18:47
RiddellI don't think any magic is needed18:47
JontheEchidnacool18:47
JontheEchidnaseele: hulu fixed in arora: http://github.com/Arora/arora/commit/ec88a7204e0d92b7894dafb10fdff5b40770395018:52
ScottKArora backport arrived on my mirror ....19:41
ThePixHiya guys Couple bugs to check up on in Karmic. Does anyone have no Friends in the Microblogging plasmoid?19:45
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ThePixThe default number of desktops comes up as one :(19:53
ThePixAnd Flash asks to install Firefox?19:53
ScottKThePix: Please file bugs so we don't forget.19:57
ThePixok19:58
ThePixArora is pretty bad  for all the sites I've tried it on.20:55
seeleJontheEchidna: yay, but that's not the only issue on my arora list21:20
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