[11:46] <\sh> markey: happy birthday, old man ;)
[11:50] <markey> \sh: thanks dude :)
[11:53] <Riddell> another birthday?  Nightrose really started a trend
[11:54] <neversfelde> markey: Happy Birthday
[11:54] <Nightrose> haha - i'm obviously a trendsetter
[11:54] <Mamarok> neversfelde: I will not asnwer that lumm chap anymore, he plays dumb and dumber
[11:54] <neversfelde> ScottK: sorry that I couldn't finish the MIR, real life is really hectic these days
[11:55] <Mamarok> he is such an idiot :(
[11:55] <neversfelde> Mamarok: one of the trolls^^
[11:57] <Mamarok> who is op in @kubuntu-de btw?
[11:57] <Mamarok> sometimes I would love to kick people, really
[11:57] <neversfelde> Mamarok: me :), I will ask someone for op rights for you
[11:58] <\sh> ignore is much better ;)
[11:58] <Mamarok> neversfelde: well, I'm not always there either
[11:58] <Mamarok> but he is a real prick, ranting in #amarok-de, too
[11:58] <Mamarok> sometimes
[11:58] <Mamarok> \sh: yes, I know
[11:59] <Mamarok> neversfelde: he really is... see what he just wrote...
[12:43] <Riddell> anyone got logs of this channel from yesterday?  the irclogs.u.c ones are incomplete and I'm trying to find the techbase page wstephenson wanted me to edit
[12:45] <jussi01> Riddell: this? [15:26:19] <wstephenson> Riddell: adding a "debugging Network Management on kubuntu" section to userbase.kde.org/NetworkManagement would be great
[12:46] <Riddell> ah hah, userbase, that explains why I couldn't find it
[12:46] <jussi01> :)
[12:53] <jussi01> Riddell: do you not log channels yourself?
[12:57] <Riddell> no only what irssi keeps in scrollback (24 hours or so)
[13:00] <jussi01> Riddell: you dont have logging turned on in irssi?
[13:00] <jussi01> it should leave lovely textfiles in your home dir
[13:02] <jussi01> I think they are under ~/irclogs or something similar
[13:02] <Riddell> no I don't
[13:02] <jussi01> Ahh, ok. might be worth turning on.
[13:25] <Riddell> it's a sladen
[13:33] <sladen> Riddell: just checking this was the right IRC channel to send somebody to
[13:33] <sladen> (this and #ubuntu-motu;  somebody wanting to package  http://www.kontrolpack.com/  which has a K in the name;  see email)
[13:37] <ScottK> neversfelde: No problem.  Thanks for what you were able to do.
[13:59] <seele> maco: yeah, but that can be tedious and annoying
[14:05] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what is an "ircview componen"?
[14:05] <Riddell> t
[14:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: oh, it's a C++ class for the chat view
[14:06] <Riddell> isn't that pretty fundamental to an IRC client? :)
[14:06] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[14:06] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what's "Marker line"?
[14:07] <JontheEchidna> when you go to another channel, quassel/konvi will  insert a red line at the last line you read
[14:08] <Riddell> clever
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> also you can insert them manually, or at least in konversation. Or at least you could, since it's broken :P
[14:10] <JontheEchidna> LadiesMan217: WHERE IS THE EBAY ITEM 12321235
[14:11] <JontheEchidna> ;P
[14:11] <LadiesMan217> :o
[14:12] <JontheEchidna> (Transformers humor, for those wondering)
[14:13] <JontheEchidna> arora is getting pretty good feedback... I may have to re-evaluate 0.8: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KarmicKoala/Alpha3/Kubuntu/Feedback
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> ooh, reorderable tabs
[14:16] <JontheEchidna> I wonder why konqueror doesn't have those...
[14:17] <JontheEchidna> it should be as simple as setting a flag in qtabwidget
[14:17] <Riddell> does konversation use akonadi?
[14:18] <JontheEchidna> konversation uses kaddressbook, if that's what you mean
[14:19] <Riddelll> I just see a tonne of akonadi debugging when I start konversation
[14:19] <Riddelll> JontheEchidna: what does it use it for?
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> Riddelll: contacts management, you can pair up IRC people with your address book entries
[14:20] <JontheEchidna> you can send emails from the right-click menu after you've choosen an addressbook association
[14:24] <Riddelll> clever
[14:25]  * JontheEchidna would like arora a lot better if it had automatic tab restoration
[14:25] <JontheEchidna> currently, to restore the last session you have to dig around in the menus
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> and know that the feature exists in the first place ;P
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> Also, the menus are almost completely devoid of icons :(
[14:27] <Riddell> hmm, karmic buildds stuff broken on i386?
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> all archs, udev/hal funkiness
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> seele: btw, I just filed http://code.google.com/p/arora/issues/detail?id=553 if you want to follow it
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> (hulu and arora)
[14:42] <vorian> hulu!
[14:48] <yuriy> JontheEchidna: not all positive feedback. Riddell: slashdot looks ok to me in konq right now
[14:48] <vorian> i /77
[14:48] <vorian> pfft
[14:48] <yuriy> i should try out 0.8 though. anybody doing a backport?
[14:49] <Riddell> yuriy: try reading yesterday's news
[14:49] <Riddell> yuriy: I plan to backport it today if I can work out the new backporting scripts
[15:10] <Riddell> ScottK: in libio-compress-perl how do I know what licence the files in t/ are under?
[15:10] <OdyX> Tonio_: ping
[15:15] <JontheEchidna> dpm: The %1 -> %n bug seems quite prevalent: http://paste.ubuntu.com/235225/ And that's just the plural strings that being with %n :(
[15:20] <nixternal> ScottK: I can do the wireless tools widget, seems easy enough
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> bbiab
[15:41] <dpm> JontheEchidna: sorry, I was in a call. Thanks for following this up. I'll have a look at it now. The positive side is that the Spanish guys are quite responsive and they fix these things quite quickly
[15:42] <JontheEchidna> great :)
[15:43] <JontheEchidna> the list might actually bigger... probably wouldn't hurt to review all plurals
[15:52] <Riddell> anything for the Kubuntu status report at the canonical desktop team meeting?
[15:59] <sebas> It has, wheel-click on the tab and drag+drop
[15:59] <sebas> (re: JontheEchidna, reorderable tabs)
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> that sure is a funny way to do it
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> inconsistent with every tab management system, KDE or otherwise
[16:01] <sebas> At least you can't blame it for not having that feature :)
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> I suppose :)
[16:05]  * JontheEchidna goes back to pidgin
[16:27] <nixternal> ScottK: shouldn't network mangler plasmoid have the features of wireless tools?
[16:28] <nixternal> ScottK: if not, what parts of wireless tools would need a widget? seems a bit overkill maybe?
[16:44] <Riddell> amd64 users can try the new network manager from https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa
[16:46] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: does that include the monolithic client?
[16:46] <ScottK> nixternal: It doesn't just do wireless, it does bluetooth too.
[16:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes
[16:58] <Riddell> bug 404930
[16:58] <Riddell> are we agreed on that? ^^
[17:07] <ScottK> Riddell: If JontheEchidna says so, I'm sure it's right.
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> I wish I had a better source for verifying it's unmaintainednesss
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> but basically after it's trac bug tracker got filled with spam, the original author moved everything to google code, and said that he would not be working on it any more but would accept patches
[17:12] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you backport the new arora?
[17:13] <nixternal> ScottK: I cannot find any documentation concerning the apps in wireless-tools and bluetooth
[17:14] <Riddell> ScottK: I ran the script and I think it did what it was supposed to
[17:14] <ScottK> nixternal: There is an ITP for the stuff that was added in that upload to be a separate package in Debian. See Debian Bug
[17:14] <ScottK> 538389
[17:15] <ScottK> nixternal: Debian Bug
[17:15] <ScottK> 538389
[17:15] <ScottK> You get the idea .
[17:15] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.
[17:15] <nixternal> I looklol
[17:15] <nixternal> hrmm
[17:15] <nixternal> lol rather
[17:16] <ScottK> BTW, I like quassel, but I like the paste protection in konversation better.
[17:16] <JontheEchidna> looks like arora was indeed backported: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/arora/0.8.0-0ubuntu2~jaunty1
[17:17] <ScottK> Yep.  Update just didn't hit the mirror yet.
[17:18] <ScottK> the/my
[17:26] <JontheEchidna> btw, next k-d-s upload will restore all of our konversation-for-kde3 default settings (tray on by default, hide away the logs dir, sort nicknames by status)
[17:31] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Notifications on or off by default?
[17:31] <Riddell> waa, tray! evil!
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: tray icon blinks when nick is highlighted
[17:32] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: But no notification like in quassel?
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: it uses an amarok-like osd
[17:32] <JontheEchidna> same code, I think
[17:34] <ScottK> OK.  minus points for konversation for non-standard notifcations then.
[17:35] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: fwiw, Quassel has a tray by default too
[17:36] <Riddell> humbug
[17:36] <ScottK> One of (for me) quassel's killer features is the view button on the notification when I get highlighted/msg'ed.
[17:36] <ScottK> Riddell: If agateau knocks out a killer MI implementation then maybe you can get your smaller systray.
[17:37]  * agateau is hard working on it
[17:38]  * JontheEchidna chuckles at the latest NM plasma widget's tooltip
[17:39] <ScottK> agateau: Please make it so I can pick which apps disappear from the systray into MI.  If I can exclude IRC, I'm pretty certain to use it.
[17:39] <agateau> ScottK: I am not there yet :)
[17:39] <ScottK> agateau: OK.  Please mark it on TODO then.
[17:41]  * agateau does
[17:45] <ScottK> Thanks.
[17:48] <Riddell> agateau, kwwii: word on the streets is dfaure is in Dublin same week we are, up for a KDE dinner?
[17:48] <agateau> Riddell: sure!
[17:57] <ScottK> You're going to Dublin?
[17:59] <Riddell> ScottK: to be sure
[17:59] <ScottK> What's in Dublin?
[17:59]  * ScottK lived there for ~half a year a LONG time ago.
[17:59] <Riddell> the Liffy, Dark Ale and the Canonical Platform Team Sprint
[18:00] <ScottK> Ah.
[18:00] <ScottK> Guiness brewery tour used to be a lot of fun.
[18:01] <Riddell> I expect we'll be locked in a hotel for the week
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> wtf @ bug 405913
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> crazy screenshots
[18:37] <Riddell> weirdness.  he doesn't say what widget theme he's using though
[18:43]  * Nightrose annoys vorian some more about her freenode problem
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: since gtk-qt-engine has a higher version than kcm-gtk, I think this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/235338/ is the best we can do
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> perhaps adding some update-manager magic for dist-upgrades
[18:47] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: that should be fine
[18:47] <Riddell> I don't think any magic is needed
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> cool
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> seele: hulu fixed in arora: http://github.com/Arora/arora/commit/ec88a7204e0d92b7894dafb10fdff5b407703950
[19:41] <ScottK> Arora backport arrived on my mirror ....
[19:45] <ThePix> Hiya guys Couple bugs to check up on in Karmic. Does anyone have no Friends in the Microblogging plasmoid?
[19:53] <ThePix> The default number of desktops comes up as one :(
[19:53] <ThePix> And Flash asks to install Firefox?
[19:57] <ScottK> ThePix: Please file bugs so we don't forget.
[19:58] <ThePix> ok
[20:55] <ThePix> Arora is pretty bad  for all the sites I've tried it on.
[21:20] <seele> JontheEchidna: yay, but that's not the only issue on my arora list