[10:26] <ares4you> hy
[10:27] <yofel> hi ares4you
[10:27] <ares4you> can I repair my broken network without internet connection ( my internet connection worked fine before last update )
[10:29] <yofel> broken as in? NM won't connect to wireless? NM tells you you don't have any network cards?
[10:31] <ares4you> wired network : davicom 9601 to fast ethernet adapter
[10:32] <ares4you> this in the problem
[10:32] <ares4you> I recive one msg: network manager is not working
[10:33] <ares4you> before last update my network manager worked fine!
[10:33] <yofel> tried to restart it? 'sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart'
[10:34] <ares4you> no
[10:34] <ares4you> I have restarted my laptop
[10:34] <yofel> you should also check if you get any errors in dmesg or /var/log/syslog
[10:35] <ares4you> ok
[10:43] <ares4you> can you send me metwork manager package to avoid future  crashes
[10:43] <geser> I've upgraded my notebook to karmic and now after the login, I've only my desktop background, no panels, etc. has someone an idea what I've broken?
[10:43] <yofel> ares4you: As I don't know *why* your network doesn't work I can't help you much
[10:44] <ares4you> ok
[10:45] <ares4you> a from where can I download an older version of network manage?
[10:45] <ares4you> manager`
[10:46] <yofel> ares4you: you could save the dmesg and the /var/log/syslog files somewhere and pastebin them with your working connection
[10:46] <yofel> like that we might be able to help you
[10:46] <yofel> as to where to get the older packages I don't know, sry
[10:48] <yofel> geser: not sure, if right click still works you could add a launcher to start 'gnome-panel' or 'nautilus'
[10:48] <yofel> or ask again later when the others come back
[10:50] <ares4you> now is ok! I have reinstalled my ubuntu and now I am running 9.04 not 9.10
[10:50] <geser> yofel: right-clicking doesn't work, but I can start the gnome-panel from the normal terminal and it appears. I've also to start metacity else the windows don't have any titlebar.
[10:50] <geser> yofel: I've also tried to create a new user so see if it's in my user settings, but with the same result
[10:52] <yofel> geser: any information in your ~/.xsession-errors ?
[10:55] <geser> yofel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/235070/
[10:56] <tbaxter> can someone help me with how to change the graphics drivers from fglrx to the open source from the command line? I just went to Karmic Alpha 3 and now can't get x. =/
[10:58] <ares4you> back on testing! ;)
[10:59] <ares4you> bye bye!!!
[11:00] <yofel> tbaxter: remove the 'Driver   "radeon"' or something like that from you /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[11:01] <yofel> geser: seems to me like gnome-session-daemon fails to load
[11:01] <kkszysiu> hello. Where I can change GDM settings?
[11:02] <yofel> kkszysiu: by hand, there is no GUI config tool for the new gdm yet
[11:03] <geser> yofel: I've checked and it's running
[11:03] <geser> yofel: I get my custom wallpaper and network-manager asks me for my keyring password but that's all what happens
[11:03] <yofel> geser: it fails to load at least one module as seen in line 2, as to *which* module I don't know
[11:04] <geser> kkszysiu: there is no GUI for it yet
[11:04] <geser> yofel: will try to find out what it is
[11:27] <om26er> no cd writer is working from live image
[11:28] <om26er> nautilus shows blank cd but brasero says there is not cd
[11:28] <om26er> help??
[11:28] <om26er> i am using karmic alpha3
[11:31] <om26er> bazhang: now?
[11:31] <bazhang> om26er, have you tried others
[11:32] <om26er> yes xcd roast
[11:32] <om26er> and gnomebaker
[11:32] <mac_v>  does anyone know how to prevent the policykit authorizations from prompting each startup *but* still allow access to drives? the authorizations settings dont seem to have any effect
[11:32] <bazhang> om26er, like gnomebaker
[11:33] <darthanubis> when using an alpha it is assumed you can HELP yourself?
[11:33] <bazhang> om26er, what about burning from nautilus, does that work
[11:33] <om26er> nautilus shows that there is a blank cd-r but the writing software say there is no drive
[11:33] <bazhang> om26er, hmm may be a bug
[11:33] <om26er> but that again goes to brasero and an error occurs
[11:34] <om26er> any1 else?????
[11:35] <drs305> om26er: Not regarding the cd, but did you get your Grub2 issue solved from the other day?
[11:35] <om26er> no
[11:36] <drs305> If you remind me what it was perhaps I could help.
[11:36] <om26er> but now i only use karmic as live
[11:37] <drs305> ok
[11:38] <om26er> but still thanx drs305
[11:38] <drs305> :-)
[11:41] <om26er> what are the modules for cd image writing
[11:41] <om26er> there might be some files that i need 2 install??
[12:28] <BluesKaj> Howdy Folks
[12:29] <yofel> hi BluesKaj
[12:30] <BluesKaj> hey yofel , greetings from the great wet north-ontario ...nothing but rain here for most of July
[12:31] <yofel> heh, geetings from the (today) sunny southern germany, although the weather is usually pretty rainy here too -.-
[12:31] <BluesKaj> I'm up early due to thunderstorms ...can't sleep :P
[13:05] <|ns|nR8> services. gives +e |ns|nR8
[13:05] <|ns|nR8> yayy
[14:29] <Guest6082> my air card quit working after upgrade yesterday...any thoughts
[14:30] <yofel> Guest6082: what card?
[14:30] <Guest6082> sprint sierra 595
[14:31] <Guest6082> it was working but now just locks up my laptop
[14:31] <yofel> no idea, sry
[14:31] <Guest6082> anyone else using air card?
[14:32] <bmunger> i have one but i havent tried it on 9.10
[14:33] <Guest6082> i was loving 9.10 but I know things brings on new versions
[14:33] <Guest6082> it will work eventually
[14:33] <bmunger> im going to test my merlin s720
[14:39] <Guest6082> anyone having problem with broadband cards
[14:50] <idyle> My auto hiding side panel won't unhide! When I mouse over it, I just see a tiny sliver of it, like it's empty, and can't click on it or configure it or anything!
[14:50] <idyle> I'm using kubuntu karmic, and it's awesome except for this!
[15:28] <oldude67> anyone have a suggestion on how i can get my vbox running, says to install the ose-source package but its installed. also says something about generic kernel headers but wont let me have the ones for -2 kerenl?
[15:39] <benste> oldude67: I'installing vbox guest in karmic too atm
[15:39] <benste> if you're isntalling HOST system I would advise to simply add the sun apt to your sources list
[15:40] <benste> and install not the OSE but the normal 3.0.2
[15:59] <peeps[work]> packages.ubuntu.com is down :-(
[16:00] <peeps[work]> i'm trying to find out if Karmic will have version 3 of awesome window manager
[16:01] <yofel> apt-cache policy awesome: Candidate: 3.3.1-1 ;)
[16:01] <bazhang> !find awesome
[16:01] <bazhang> !info awesome
[16:01] <bazhang> peeps[work], ^^
[16:02] <maxb> rmadison is also a handy tool
[16:02] <Pici> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/madison.cgi <--
[16:02] <Pici> I also made a firefox search plugin thingy for that
[16:10] <mofo> hi . anyone knows how to change login window (gdm) in ubuntu 9.10 ?
[16:11] <yofel> mofo: there is no GUI config tool for the new gdm yet, so you'll have to edit the config files
[16:12] <mofo> and where do i do that ? i looked up in usr/share/gdm
[16:12] <mofo> i found old themes from 9.04
[16:32] <oldude67> vbox is kicking my arse...ugh
[16:34] <oldude67> how do i get the system to update to the 2.6.31-4 kernel its installed and is in the update-grub but doesnt show in grub menu when i boot?
[16:35] <eagles0513875> hey guys the kde updates wont allow me to login to kde any more
[16:44] <oldude67> how do i fix this? http://pastebin.com/d3dbf2863
[16:46] <yofel> oldude67: report a bug, shouldn't happen
[16:46] <yofel> other than that, try to remove the -virtual package? do you need it?
[16:47] <oldude67> well i am trying to get vbox to work..
[16:48] <oldude67> be back in a minute i have to reboot.
[17:04] <eagles0513875> wooohooo kde is broken
[17:05] <eagles0513875> i get the login screen and once i type in my password the screen goes black all that is left is the mouse. already tried removing the .kde folder to see if that would help but it hasnt
[17:14] <Guest54877> hi
[17:15]  * genii sips his coffee
[17:16] <billybigrigger> just woke up to find no cream or milk :(
[17:17] <billybigrigger> sweet and black today i guess :P
[17:18] <Guest54877> any gay users?
[17:18] <Guest54877> or shouldn't that be asked?
[17:18] <billybigrigger> i don't see how that is relevant to anything
[17:19] <Guest54877> i think you don't know whta gay is
[17:19] <Guest54877> same sex prefrence
[17:19] <eagles0513875> ya but that is offtopic for this channel Guest54877
[17:19] <eagles0513875> !ot
[17:19] <billybigrigger> i know what it is, but it's not relevant to this channel
[17:20] <Guest54877> hol on
[17:20] <billybigrigger> or any ubuntu channel for that matter
[17:20] <Guest54877> i'm bi sexual
[17:20] <billybigrigger> ok, well this is a support channel, so that has no meaning
[17:20] <eagles0513875> Guest54877: this is offtopic please vacate the channel if you arent testing out ubuntu karmic koala
[17:20] <billybigrigger> Guest54877, read what eagles0513875 pointed out
[17:21] <eagles0513875> hey genii
[17:21] <genii> eagles0513875: Hey.
[17:22] <Guest54877> how is karmic comming
[17:22] <Guest54877> ?
[17:22] <Guest54877> very much intrested in it
[17:22] <Guest54877> trying to stay on topic hun
[17:23] <eagles0513875> well Guest54877 the gay and bisexual remarks had nothing to do with the purpose of this channel
[17:23] <oldude67> whats the easiest way to reload grub?
[17:23] <oldude67> well lets see what google says..:D
[17:24] <billybigrigger> oldude67, sudo update-grub
[17:24] <Guest54877> lol free speech
[17:24] <billybigrigger> free speech, but it's off topic for discussion in this channel
[17:24] <oldude67> billybigrigger, nope i want to start from scratch...its all fubarred
[17:25] <billybigrigger> how is it fubard?
[17:25] <billybigrigger> what errors are you getting?
[17:25] <oldude67> wont let me use the 2.6.31-4 kernel..and i am having a ton of trouble with vbox
[17:25] <billybigrigger> what error do you get from trying to boot -4?
[17:26] <billybigrigger> pasetbin me some of your errors, those are not valid reasons to have to start over :P
[17:26] <eagles0513875> Guest54877: if the offtopic chatter keeps up ill be forced to bring an op in here
[17:26] <oldude67> doesnt even give me the option to boot from-4 not in boot menu..but when i do update-grub it shows it in the list
[17:26] <billybigrigger> oldude67, if you really want to.....https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD
[17:27] <billybigrigger> do you see the image in /boot/?
[17:27] <oldude67> hold on ill check
[17:27] <oldude67> nope
[17:28] <billybigrigger> there's your problem
[17:28] <oldude67> first kernel is the -2 kernel
[17:28] <billybigrigger> how did you install that kernel image?
[17:28] <oldude67> threw updates
[17:28] <oldude67> sudo aptitude update
[17:28] <billybigrigger> did it give you an error at all?
[17:28] <oldude67> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[17:28] <oldude67> nope
[17:29] <billybigrigger> check your /var/log/aptitude and the /var/log/apt directory
[17:30] <oldude67> k
[17:30] <Guest54877> lol
[17:31] <eagles0513875> Guest54877: there is nothing funny in this channel
[17:31] <billybigrigger> oldude67, $ apt-cache policy linux-image-2.6.31-4-generic
[17:32] <Guest54877> lol
[17:32] <Guest54877> well i have a qeustion not sure if its realated how in heck do we get netflix to stream on ubuntu?
[17:32] <billybigrigger> what version of ubuntu are you running?
[17:33] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/d2c303eb0
[17:34] <billybigrigger> can you paste the output of $ ls /boot
[17:34] <billybigrigger> to pastebin
[17:34] <eagles0513875> Guest54877: are you on karmic or jaunty
[17:35] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/d65734117
[17:36] <billy_> oldude67: ok, your image is in /boot
[17:36] <billy_> pastebin the output of $ sudo update-grub
[17:36] <billy_> please
[17:37] <Guest54877> netflix.com
[17:38] <Guest54877> 9.04
[17:38] <eagles0513875> Guest54877: ask in #ubuntu channel this is for 9.10 support only
[17:38] <Guest54877> oh more of the same nimrods
[17:39] <Guest54877> ok i'm on 9.10 now just upgrade to the newst ubuntu there we go shit fuckers
[17:39] <eagles0513875> Guest54877: thats the rules guest read the channel topic
[17:39] <eagles0513875> !language
[17:39] <Guest54877> lol
[17:39] <eagles0513875> nalioth: :) thanks
[17:40] <nalioth> aww man, we just got rid of one, and now here's mneptok
[17:41]  * mneptok shakes like he just don't care
[17:43] <eagles0513875> nalioth: mind if i pm ya
[17:45] <billybigrigger> oldude67, ?
[17:45] <nalioth> eagles0513875: you can PM staff any time
[17:45] <oldude67> billybigrigger, yes? i pasted it a while back sorry heres the link again.
[17:45] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/d65734117
[17:45] <billybigrigger> hehe
[17:46] <billybigrigger> you must have missed it
 oldude67: ok, your image is in /boot
 pastebin the output of $ sudo update-grub
 please
[17:46] <oldude67> oh yeah i did sorry..lol
[17:46] <oldude67> ok hold
[17:48] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/d75cce83f
[17:48] <billybigrigger> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.31-4-generic
[17:48] <billybigrigger> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-2.6.31-4-generic
[17:48] <billybigrigger> when you reboot, do you see that image as a choice?
[17:48] <oldude67> no
[17:48] <billybigrigger> hmm
[17:48] <oldude67> thats what i said too..lol
[17:49] <billybigrigger> well i thought that maybe grub wasn't seeing it in /boot
[17:49] <billybigrigger> which it is
[17:49] <billybigrigger> you could manually boot that image
[17:50] <billybigrigger> oldude67, or i could tell you how to make a custom entry in grub
[17:50] <BluesKaj> oldude67, what have you got in  /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?, the linux-images should be listed there as well
[17:51] <oldude67> BluesKaj, hold on a sec and ill tell ya..
[17:51] <Guest54877> boot to ya mothers pussy
[17:52] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, if it doesn't show up there, it's easy to add a new entry in /etc/grub.d/
[17:52] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, ok , lemme look
[17:53] <billybigrigger> oldude67, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#User-defined%20Entries
[17:54] <billybigrigger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 has alot of useful reading :P
[17:54] <billybigrigger> !grub2
[17:54] <billybigrigger> ooh nice :P
[17:55] <billybigrigger> oldude67, what vbox problems are you having?
[17:56] <BluesKaj> oldude67, billybigrigger, the  /boot/grub/grub.cfg file is editable so one can add another OS/Partition if grub somehow misses it or after a new OS install
[17:56] <billybigrigger> oldude67, are they related to this kernel problem? ie. dkms not being able to build the modules?
[17:56] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/d5ce3a61a
[17:56] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, no it's not editable :P
[17:56] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, creating menu entries in /etc/grub.d/ then running update-grub
[17:57] <BluesKaj> well, i did , yeah , of one updates
[17:57] <BluesKaj> course
[17:57] <BluesKaj> anyway ..
[17:57] <billybigrigger> i don't understand why you can't boot that kernel :(
[17:57] <billybigrigger> oldude67, might have to ask in #grub
[17:57] <billybigrigger> show them your pastebins
[17:58] <billybigrigger> oldude67, try dropping to the grub command line
[17:58] <oldude67> i am downloading the alpha 3 release
[17:58] <billybigrigger> and boot the kernel manually would be my next suggestion
[17:58] <BluesKaj> the kernel module corrupted?
[17:58] <oldude67> heh knowing my luck the whole system is fubarred...lol
[17:59] <billybigrigger> why do you have 3 different -4 kernels?
[17:59] <oldude67> only have a little bit of music on this as its my test box anyways...so if worse comes to worse ill just install the alpha 3 from cd and start from scratch.
[18:00] <billybigrigger> -pae -generic and -386
[18:00] <oldude67> idk..lol
[18:00] <billybigrigger> hmm
[18:00] <billybigrigger> your running a2 right now?
[18:01] <oldude67> well i thought i was running a3 from doing updates but it hasnt given me the -4 kernel so probably an abomination of the 2
[18:02] <billybigrigger> if your fully updated your running a3
[18:02] <billybigrigger> to be honest i still don't have -4 either :P
[18:03] <oldude67> ya ive been keeping up with the updates, hoping it would fix the problem
[18:03] <billybigrigger> The following packages have been kept back:
[18:03] <billybigrigger>   chromium-browser ffmpeg libpurple0 linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[18:03] <billybigrigger>   pidgin ubuntu-minimal usb-creator
[18:03] <billybigrigger> so i'm thinking you forced the upgrade of the kernel when you shouldn't have
[18:04] <oldude67> dont know how i did that as i dont even know how to force something
[18:04] <oldude67> if it updates it updates..if it dont i wait
[18:04] <billybigrigger> 32bit or 64bit?
[18:04] <oldude67> 32
[18:04] <billybigrigger> hmm
[18:05] <oldude67> may install 9.04 and run karmic in vbox and see what happens.
[18:05] <billybigrigger> well getting you the -4 kernel isn't hard
[18:06] <oldude67> so far its been sucking..lmao
[18:06] <billybigrigger> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc4/
[18:06] <billybigrigger> download headers, source, and image
[18:06] <billybigrigger> then sudo dpkg -i them
[18:06] <billybigrigger> easy :P
[18:07] <oldude67> ok ill try that before i do a restart...but have to wait a minute for the alpha 3 to finish downloading first.
[18:07] <oldude67> only have about 25% left to download
[18:08] <billybigrigger> $ wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc4/linux-headers-2.6.31-020631rc4-generic_2.6.31-020631rc4_i386.deb && wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc4/linux-image-2.6.31-020631rc4-generic_2.6.31-020631rc4_i386.deb && wget http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc4/linux-source-2.6.31_2.6.31-020631rc4_all.deb
[18:08] <billybigrigger> then....
[18:08] <billybigrigger> sudo dpkg -i linux-headers-2.6.31-020631rc4-generic_2.6.31-020631rc4_i386.deb linux-source-2.6.31_2.6.31-020631rc4_all.deb linux-image-2.6.31-020631rc4-generic_2.6.31-020631rc4_i386.deb
[18:10] <oldude67> egads thats a lot of typing..lmao
[18:10] <SeveredCross> tab-complete FTW.
[18:10] <SeveredCross> :)
[18:11] <BluesKaj> copy & paste
[18:11] <oldude67> SeveredCross, um ya ok fur why
[18:11] <oldude67> my copy and paste doesnt work in xchat
[18:11] <billybigrigger> ??? highlight the text and middle click into the terminal
[18:12] <oldude67> ah ok... lol i didnt know that one...yeah..lol
[18:12] <billybigrigger> :P
[18:12] <oldude67> ill have to remember that one.
[18:13] <billybigrigger> quicker than right clicking, copy, then right clicking paste :P
[18:13] <billybigrigger> or ctrl c and v
[18:13] <oldude67> you got that right...
[18:13] <billybigrigger> super quick and easy :P
[18:13] <BluesKaj> heh, i still use ctrl c and v
[18:13] <yofel> why type all that? just dump them into a seperate folder and run dpkg -i *.deb
[18:15] <billybigrigger> yofel, always having to one up a guy eh? :P haha
[18:15] <yofel> yup :P
[18:15] <oldude67> hey dont confuzzle me im messed up enough..lmao
[18:16] <BluesKaj> yofel, pls explain that one, i'm confused too :)
[18:17] <oldude67> yofel, i think i kind of understand what you are talking about as i think i have done something like that in slackware before.
[18:17] <yofel> create a folder, go in there, wget the files (or move them there somhow) in that folder, run 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' , that will install all .deb files in that folder
[18:18] <yofel> the seperate folder is to make sure you don't install any other .deb files than the ones you want
[18:20] <BluesKaj> yofel, cool , gotcha :)
[18:20] <oldude67> billybigrigger, um got an error...ugh
[18:22] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/d141df5c4
[18:24] <billybigrigger> cd /lib/modules/<KERNEL_NAME>
[18:24] <billybigrigger> ls -la
[18:24] <billybigrigger> where does build > point to?
[18:25] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/d7fa20653
[18:26] <billybigrigger> you forgot to cd
[18:26] <billybigrigger> :P
[18:26] <oldude67> um nope i just copied and pasted...lol
[18:26] <billybigrigger> you have to put in your kernel
[18:26] <billybigrigger> :P
[18:26] <oldude67> didnt know about cd
[18:26] <billybigrigger> hence the <KERNEL_NAME>
[18:27] <billybigrigger> should be something like /lib/modules/2.6.31-4-generic
[18:27] <yofel> oldude67: here for c&p: cd /lib/modules/$(uname -r)
[18:27] <billybigrigger> yeah that works aswell
[18:27] <DanaG> or backticks work too.
[18:27] <billybigrigger> but he's not running the -4 kernel yet
[18:28] <DanaG> !find gtkwidget
[18:28] <oldude67> /lib/modules/2.6.31-2-generic$
[18:28] <billybigrigger> k
[18:28] <billybigrigger> ls -la
[18:28] <DanaG> hmm, update-manager crashes for me.
[18:28] <billybigrigger> oldude67, then find build > and tell me where it points
[18:28] <DanaG> ImportError: No module named gtkwidgets
[18:29] <DanaG> previous line:     from aptdaemon.gtkwidgets import (AptErrorDialog,
[18:29] <oldude67> http://pastebin.com/d31175105
[18:29] <billybigrigger> it should point to the linux-headers for that kernel, /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.31-4-generic
[18:29] <billybigrigger> oldude67, ok
[18:30] <billybigrigger> sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.31-4.generic/ build
[18:30] <billybigrigger> then...
[18:30] <billybigrigger> errr
[18:31] <billybigrigger> 2.6.31-4-generic/ build that should read
[18:31] <oldude67> lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root     40 2009-07-28 12:30 build -> /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.31-4.generic/
[18:31] <billybigrigger> yup
[18:31] <billybigrigger> then...
[18:32] <billybigrigger> oh no
[18:32] <billybigrigger> sudo rm build
[18:32] <billybigrigger> 4.generic is wrong
[18:32] <billybigrigger> should be 4-generic
[18:33] <oldude67> ok so how do i fix that?
[18:34] <billybigrigger> sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.31-4-generic/ build
[18:34] <billybigrigger> sudo rm build first
[18:35] <oldude67> /lib/modules/2.6.31-2-generic$  sudo ln -s /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.31-4-generic/ build
[18:35] <oldude67> ln: creating symbolic link `build': File exists
[18:35] <billybigrigger> k
[18:35] <oldude67> um after doing all of this its telling me to reboot should i do that now?
[18:35] <billybigrigger> sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autoinstaller start 2.6.31-4-generic
[18:36] <billybigrigger> should build your vbox modules
[18:36] <oldude67> yeah it is
[18:37] <oldude67> anything else or reboot now and crossfingers..lmao
[18:38] <billybigrigger> reboot
[18:38] <oldude67> k brb...:D
[18:52] <alteregoa> high
[19:04] <BluesKaj> low
[19:07] <stefanlsd> I installed alpha3 and kept my /home partition. I cant the old data now as its encrypted, anyone got any suggestions or document how to unencrypt this?
[19:08] <idyle> My auto hiding side panel won't unhide in kubuntu! When I mouse over it, I just see a tiny sliver of it, like it's empty, and can't click on it or configure it or anything!
[19:08] <kklimonda> stefanlsd, how have you encrypted home?
[19:08] <idyle> this after I rebooted btw...I just made my bottom panel autohide and it's working fine
[19:10] <stefanlsd> kklimonda, well, my current home is not the problem. Before i installed karmic, i did a mv of /home/stefan to /home/stefan.upgrade.   Then karmic installed.  so /home/stefan/.Private on /home/stefan type ecryptfs. Which is fine. I need /home/stefan.upgrade  which is encypted...
[19:12] <billybigrigger> why is it encrypted?
[19:12] <kklimonda> stefanlsd, was stefan.upgrade also encrypted using ecryptfs ?
[19:12] <billybigrigger> ohhh nevermind i read that wrong
[19:13] <kroson> hi people
[19:13] <stefanlsd> kklimonda, yeah, must of been :)  was default jaunty option...
[19:13] <kroson> ive been trying to use karmic since alpha 2, but my wireless network card is not working
[19:13] <kroson> it is a 3945abg nic from intel
[19:13] <kklimonda> stefanlsd, when you create ecryptfs store you get a key and an information that you should keep it safe
[19:13] <kroson> is there any solution as of now?
[19:14] <billybigrigger> kroson, searching forums would be a good start
[19:14] <kklimonda> it's called mount passphrase
[19:14] <kroson> id really like to use this version because of the kernel
[19:14] <kroson> billybigrigger: no luck xD
[19:14] <stefanlsd> kklimonda, i am pretty sure i know the passphrase i entered... is it possible to decrypt with that alone, or do i need the other stuff also?
[19:15] <billybigrigger> kroson, not much knowledge of wireless here
[19:15] <billybigrigger> but is it listed in lspci and is the module loaded?
[19:16] <kroson> hmm im not with ubuntu now, but i think yes
[19:16] <Pici> My intel 3945 works fine in Karmic.
[19:17] <kklimonda> stefanlsd, one way or another (either /home was encrypted using ecryptfs or the other option - frankly I haven't done it in years) passphrase itself isn't enough
[19:17] <kroson> Pici: have you installed some different driver than the default?
[19:17] <kroson> and how long has it been working?
[19:17] <Pici> kroson: Nope. its using the iwl3945 module.
[19:17] <stefanlsd> kklimonda, k. thanks. I did a rsync before installing, so i still have the data. (thankfully!)
[19:17] <kklimonda> stefanlsd, then you are one lucky son of a @#$% ;}
[19:17] <Pici> kroson: Forever.
[19:17] <kroson> Pici: how long has it been working? and 32 or 64-bit?
[19:17] <Pici> kroson: 32bit.
[19:18] <stefanlsd> kklimonda, hehe. yeah!
[19:18] <kroson> did it work by default? it is strange
[19:18] <Pici> kroson: Yep. This was an upgrade from Jaunty though.
[19:19] <kroson> i remember doing an upgrade from jaunty, it broke the wireless as well
[19:20] <kroson> its weird that nobody has this problem at the forums, it may be a specific hardware issue
[19:20] <kroson> at jaunty it worked very well
[19:21] <mvo> DanaG: oh, update-manager crashes? I think I know what the problem is ...
[19:21] <DanaG> For me, I had to install the python aptdaemon gtk interface.
[19:22] <mvo> DanaG: yeah, the auto-detection code for that is b0rken :/ it tests for aptd, but not the python bindings
[19:27] <mvo> DanaG: fixed in bzr
[19:27] <DanaG> Cool.
[19:28] <DanaG> Nice, so doing that aptdaemon thing gives a different authentication UI.
[19:29] <mvo> DanaG: its a dbus based interface (using policykit), with some nice properties
[19:29] <DanaG> Though the "Applying Change" window is now rather ugly.
[19:29] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-Applying%20changes.png
[19:30] <mvo> its still relatively early in developerment, that is hopefully going to change so that it looks better :)
[19:30] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-Applying%20changes-1.png
[19:30] <DanaG> It's stopped there.  Have to click "Details" to see why.
[19:30] <mvo> DanaG: oh, thats a bug
[19:31] <mvo> DanaG: do you have apt-listchanges installed?
[19:31] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot-Applying%20changes-2.png
[19:31] <DanaG> Yeah.
[19:31] <DanaG> Why does update-manager not give the VT to apps?  It makes 'less' work poorly when viewing a conffile diff, too.
[19:31] <DanaG> er, s/VT/console/
[19:33] <mvo> DanaG: update-manager uses a vte terminal when dpkg is forked, in theory it could re-use the current terminal window (if that is what you mean). but that would be impratical when its started from e..g the menu
[19:34] <DanaG> What I mean is that the embedded terminal "is not fully functional", as dpkg claims.
[19:34] <kklimonda> DanaG, looks like a bug to me
[19:34] <mvo> DanaG: ah, I misunderstood then. I think in this case you hit a bug, it should be as good as the gnome-terminal
[19:34] <mvo> (its the same widget)
[19:34] <DanaG> Odd.
[19:35] <mvo> DanaG: could you please report that against the package "aptdaemon" ?
[19:35] <mvo> DanaG: and include that apt-listchanges was used?
[19:35] <DanaG> actually, that's not aptdaemon specifically at fault there -- it's been like that for me always.
[19:35] <DanaG> The "not fully functional", I mean.
[19:35] <DanaG> Same thing happens on a conffile prompt, even in Jaunty.
[19:35] <mvo> oh interessting. do you have a special TERM= setting in your config?
[19:36] <DanaG> $TERM is just 'xterm'  (quotes not part of it, of course.)
[19:36] <DanaG> well, that's what a separate gnome-terminal reports.
[19:36] <DanaG> How do I make 'less' spawn a shell, so I can do that within update-manager?
[19:38] <mvo> to debug the problem? you could create a package that spawns a shell in its postinst and install that (or run env in the postinst to see what TERM looks like there)
[19:39] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the terminal also doesn't have job-control.... pressing ctrl-z just gives a literal ^Z.
[19:39] <DanaG> I know dpkg blocks ctrl-z, but normally, you don't get that character, at least.
[19:43] <mvo> DanaG: sorry, I can check this out tomorrow (its getting late here). I would be interessted if you have the same problem without aptdaemon, for now I suspect its just a bug there - but if not, then I wonder if the "normal" synaptic based progress in update-manager shows the same message
[19:43] <DanaG> I'll try next time I boot back to Jaunty, if that'd help.
[19:44] <mvo> yeah, that would be good
[19:45] <DanaG> ooh, I got a conffile change... so now I can 'Z' it.
[19:45] <portuguesemafia> how do i change the xboot when i install 9.10 on restart i cant see 9.04 and vista only a blue screen with 9.10
[19:46] <DanaG> DBUS_STARTER_BUS_TYPE=system                PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin                LANG=en_US.UTF8                DEBIAN_FRONTEND=passthrough                DPKG_NO_TSTP=yes                DEBCONF_PIPE=/tmp/aptdaemon-hqmo_v/debconf.socket                PWD=/                DBUS_STARTER_ADDRESS=unix:path=/var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket,guid=9d3dec38376c01ad15723a944a6f207b
[19:46] <DanaG> Replaced each line break with 16 spaces.
[19:46] <yofel> !grub2 | portuguesemafia
[19:46] <yofel> portuguesemafia: see dual-booting
[19:48] <mvo> DanaG: so no TERM In there at all?
[19:48] <mvo> DanaG: I guess that is (at least part of) the bug then
[19:49] <DanaG> Either that, or the 'z' didn't hand the env.  But the conffile diff thing also reports the "is not fully functional".
[19:50] <portuguesemafia> thanks
[20:18] <portuguesemafia> netstat
[20:23] <SeveredCross> Is the new sound applet GNOME's doing, or is it Ubuntu's doing>
[20:53] <Sebboh> Hi. I've got a semi-broken Karmic system.. I got it booted to console with an old kernel, but X doesn't work. How do I connect to wifi from the console?
[20:55] <alteregoa> use a port retarder
[21:01] <kklimonda> Sebboh, using ifconfig, iwconfig and (if you use wpa) wpa_supplicant
[21:01] <kklimonda> and then dhclient
[21:16] <alteregoa> meow
[21:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, what ever did happen to those ARM Netbook plans Canonical had made?
[21:29] <BUGabundo> guud evening ;)
[21:29] <BUGabundo> hi my fellow Ubuntu Members, Devs, Ubunteros, and other strangers :)
[21:29]  * BUGabundo is Happyy
[21:30] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo - nice desktop screenshots
[21:31] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot.png
[21:31] <BUGabundo> thanks my beloved friend kklimonda
[21:31] <BUGabundo> where's yours?
[21:32] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, I use default settings
[21:32]  * BUGabundo wonders if he should create a new wiki page just for screanshots
[21:32] <BUGabundo> weekly screenshots from *everyone*
[21:32] <kklimonda> I don't even change wallpaper (as I never see it anyway ;) )
[21:32] <BUGabundo> don't lie to us!
[21:32] <BUGabundo> _we know the truth_
[21:33] <kklimonda> ok, fine - my wallpaper is so explicit I can't show it before midnight
[21:35] <DanaG> "midnight" is relative.
[21:37] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:37] <BUGabundo> hey arand
[21:38] <arand> BUGabundo: eyo
[21:38] <kklimonda> DanaG, as it's always before midnight somewhere my desktop is safe ;)
[21:52] <BUGabundo> this is quiet
[21:52] <BUGabundo> nothing broken today ? :p
[21:53] <charlie-tca> or everything is broken today?
[21:55] <BUGabundo> hey charlie-tca
[21:55] <BUGabundo> dear friend
[21:55] <BUGabundo> how are you feeling today?
[21:55] <charlie-tca> Good evening, sir
[21:55] <charlie-tca> fit as a broken fiddle
[21:55] <yofel> NOOOOOOOOOOO.......
[21:55] <yofel> I just deleted my firefox profile...
[21:56]  * yofel goes searching for the backup...
[21:56] <charlie-tca> backed it up, huh?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> Backed mine up on two different systems, and managed to delete both once
[21:56] <yofel> yeah, It's backed up, but the backup is stored on another pc
[21:57] <yofel> how? deleted it and then synced the backup? :P
[21:57] <BUGabundo> AYYYYYYY yofel
[21:57] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[21:57] <BUGabundo> I used to run BZR on those things
[21:57] <BUGabundo> need otom ake one again
[21:58] <charlie-tca> No, simply reinstalled on one system, then on the other
[21:58] <yofel> ouch
[21:58] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:58] <BUGabundo> I forgot to backup my 5 yo cheat codes
[21:59] <DanaG> I have backups... but I don't have backups of the backups.
[21:59] <BUGabundo> all my little tricks and bash scripts lost
[21:59] <DanaG> It's also on the same drive as my bulk-storage drive.
[22:00] <yofel> grmbl... found the backup, but it's already a week old, nice reminder to sync more often...
[22:01] <charlie-tca> When I did the first reinstall, it worked so well, I didn't even think twice about the other one...
[22:02] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:03] <BUGabundo> damn ubuntu...works so well we forget backups
[22:03] <BUGabundo> :P
[22:04]  * charlie-tca thinks it only takes once
[22:14] <DanaG> ARGH!
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ARRGGGG
[22:14] <DanaG> Something just wiped out all my compiz settings!
[22:14] <BUGabundo> _who are we fithing tonigh Captain?_
[22:14] <BUGabundo> ahh that
[22:14] <BUGabundo> it happens all the time
[22:14] <BUGabundo> I just export it everytime I change something
[22:15] <BUGabundo> and then import when that happens
[22:15] <DanaG> oh, and somehow gdm's metacity was still running when my desktop started.
[22:16] <yofel> hm, never happend to me
[22:16] <DanaG> ugh, and the thing I exported... doesn't actually have my settings in it!
[22:17] <DanaG> wait, it does have them...
[22:17] <DanaG> they're just not taking effect!
[22:18] <BUGabundo> DanaG: known bug
[22:18] <DanaG> WHY IS THIS STILL HERE? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/control-center/+bug/231904
[22:18] <BUGabundo> metacity will run ALWAYS after startup
[22:18] <BUGabundo> and delay startup, and mess after login
[22:19] <DanaG> oh, and my gdm wallpaper is not retained... it repaints black when I drag stuff over it.
[22:19] <DanaG> here's how I started compiz this time:
[22:19] <DanaG> sh -c 'compiz --replace & compiz --replace &'
[22:20] <DanaG> in alt-f2 menu.
[22:20] <BUGabundo> I just see the default wallpaper
[22:20] <BUGabundo> until a few secs into login!!!
[22:20] <DanaG> try opening an xterm as the gdm user.
[22:20] <BUGabundo> I fill like to replace the file on disk to fix it
[22:20] <TigerCR1200> Anyone else having Brasero not recognize blank media?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> DanaG: you just need it once
[22:20] <BUGabundo> compiz --replace
[22:20] <BUGabundo> OR --reload
[22:20] <DanaG> No, then metacity refuses to let go.
[22:20] <BUGabundo> since it should already be running
[22:21] <DanaG> ah, I had just plain killed it.
[22:21] <charlie-tca> TigerCR1200: yes, since about alpha2
[22:22] <TigerCR1200> oh joy, guess that explains it all
[22:22] <TigerCR1200> Any working burner?
[22:22] <charlie-tca> Bug 397906
[22:23] <TigerCR1200> Hell hell I found a new bug for it, but not that one
[22:23] <charlie-tca> There seems to be at least one new one everyday for it
[22:23] <duncan__> anyone know if the bugs with ext4 and power loss have been fixed with newer kernels?  had heard about it in the past
[22:24] <BUGabundo> duncan__: should have
[22:24] <BUGabundo> I have no probs so far
[22:24] <BUGabundo> and I've had at least 4 forced shutdowns
[22:24] <BUGabundo> as long as ppl run FSCK after the crash it should be fine
[22:24] <DanaG> I've just set my laptop to use data=journal mode.
[22:26] <duncan__> I'm running 9.04 with my kernel upgraded to 30.3, and really prefer the performance leap with ext4 so just seeing how cautious I need to be
[22:27] <DanaG> It's always a good idea to do backups, anyway.
[22:27] <BUGabundo> I did not see any performance boots
[22:27] <DanaG> Storage is relatively cheap nowadays.
[22:27] <BUGabundo> really, I did not
[22:28] <BUGabundo> but I was using XFS already
[22:28] <DanaG> Back in Jaunty, I saw a large improvement going ext3->ext4, especially in terms of boot time.
[22:29] <duncan__> yeah I first installed as a test on ext3 and then reformatted and isntalled with ext4 and I boot and load in almost no time flat
[22:29] <BUGabundo> DanaG: clean install from / ext3 to ext4 I reduced from 30 to 19 secs boot to GDM
[22:29] <BUGabundo> but on /home with XFS I see no extra performance, now with ext4
[22:29] <duncan__> and the performance compared to ntfs is even better ;) Microsoft really needs to update their filesystem
[22:31] <DanaG> ntfs-3g sucks in terms of performance.
[22:31] <dajomu> according to phoronix.com ext3 still is faster than ext4
[22:31] <DanaG> When I'm copying SATA -> SATA, and getting 5 megabytes per second.... yeah, that sucks.
[22:31] <duncan__> i'm just talking ntfs under windows :)
[22:31] <duncan__> not through ntfs-3g
[22:32] <duncan__> saving and loading a large spreadsheet I was working on in windows took about 10-15 second takes about 1-2 with ext4 in 9.04
[22:32] <BUGabundo> DanaG: for me any external disk to external disk
[22:32] <BUGabundo> on what ever FS
[22:32] <BUGabundo> is SLOWWWW
[22:33] <BUGabundo> why is OOo so much faster on debian then on ubuntu?
[22:33] <duncan__> what is the speed of the HD?  and is it usb 2.0?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> my work pc takes like <3 secs to open
[22:33] <BUGabundo> here takes like 10 sec
[22:33] <duncan__> OO.o runs quite fast for me in 9.04
[22:33] <BUGabundo> 6 secs to spash, 12.5 sec to open Writer
[22:33] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:34] <duncan__> weird
[22:34] <nhasian> hello everyone
[22:34] <duncan__> let me time it real fast
[22:35] <duncan__> <3 seconds to open a spreadsheet from oo.o being closed
[22:35] <BUGabundo> no idea why my system is so slow
[22:35] <BUGabundo> its a fresh install
[22:35] <BUGabundo> hey nhasian
[22:35] <duncan__> 32 or 64bit kernel?
[22:36] <BUGabundo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:36] <BUGabundo>   language-pack-gnome-pt: Depends: language-pack-gnome-pt-base (>= 1:9.10+20090725) but 1:9.04+20090413 is to be installed
[22:37] <BUGabundo> grrr
[22:37] <nhasian> BUGabundo, hey how's karmic treating you?
[22:37] <BUGabundo> 64bits FTW
[22:37] <BUGabundo> nhasian: with an hammer !!
[22:37] <duncan__> running 32bit here
[22:37] <duncan__> what about at work?
[22:37] <nhasian> i'm waiting for the new brasero to hit the repo so i can use my cd burner again
[22:38] <BUGabundo> 6bits debian squeeze
[22:38] <BUGabundo> with 8GiBs of sweet RAM
[22:38] <BUGabundo> 4 GiB here
[22:38] <BUGabundo> 320 GiBs 5400 / allll ext4
[22:38] <duncan__> processor at work and home?
[22:38] <BUGabundo> work ext3 on sata 250 7200
[22:38] <BUGabundo> humm not sure
[22:38] <BUGabundo> C2D something
[22:39] <BUGabundo> here is a 2.4GHz T8300
[22:40] <duncan__> well i'm stumped then because my laptop i'm on is only an AMD 64 X2 Turion @ 2ghz
[22:40] <duncan__> and the HD is a 200gig @ 5400 with ext4
[22:40] <nhasian> even entry level computers are coming with 3Gig ram minimum.  i think its the End of Days for 32bit OS.
[22:40] <BUGabundo> don't
[22:40] <BUGabundo> ppl seem to be nitting to PAE now :(
[22:41] <BUGabundo> even to joker here, kklimonda
[22:41]  * kklimonda nods
[22:41] <kklimonda> now that pae kernel is in archive I see no reason to use 64 bit system ;)
[22:41]  * nhasian laughs
[22:42] <duncan__> i'm just using 32bit as certain application I use are questionable in 64bit and I don't want to be running dual libraries to run some programs, the performance i'de gain from 64bit on this laptop isn't that great
[22:43] <DanaG> My external drive is eSATA, so it's natively  fast.
[22:43] <DanaG> But ntfs-3g is dog-slow.
[22:43] <DanaG> In Windows, I can get, oh, at least 50 megabytes per second.
[22:43] <duncan__> if only windows could read ext4 :p
[22:44] <kklimonda> duncan__, it can't? there are drivers for ext3
[22:44] <SeveredCross> kklimonda: The default enabled features for ext4 prevent mounting as ext3.
[22:44] <DanaG> that was odd... I started gnome login, then switched to tty0... and then when I switched back, it claimed I wasn't 'permitted' to mount a usb disk thingy.
[22:44] <duncan__> not that i've seen, there may be some out now
[22:44] <BUGabundo> DanaG: can you try external to external please?
[22:44] <DanaG> yet, when I clicked on it... it mounted.
[22:44] <SeveredCross> There is an ext3 driver, but it just complains about unsupported features if you try to mount ext4.
[22:44] <DanaG> I only have one eSATA port, and that drive is not on hand at the moment.
[22:44] <mac_v> DanaG: the rfkill command in rc.local didnt work:(
[22:44] <DanaG> Dang.
[22:45] <DanaG> Perhaps the module hadn't loaded yet?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> DanaG: it can even be two usb sticks!!!
[22:45] <BUGabundo> I need someone to test that
[22:45] <DanaG> USB is slow, anyway.
[22:45] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/321862
[22:45] <mac_v> DanaG: i tried even from terminal after boot, it doesnt do anything!
[22:45] <BUGabundo> DanaG: not THIS slow
[22:46] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, have you applied for bugcontrol already?
[22:46] <mac_v> hei guys, does anyone know where the /etc/modprobe.d/options settings for *wireless* have been moved?[some settings are set as xxxx.conf , but wireless killswitch state doesnt accept the settings from there]
[22:46] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: no
[22:47] <BUGabundo> you know I'm too lazy for that
[22:47] <BUGabundo> I'm waiting they give it to me
[22:47] <kklimonda> :D
[22:47] <DanaG> Make a new file:
[22:47] <DanaG> /etc/modprobe.d/whatever.conf
[22:47] <DanaG> where "whatever" is... well, you get the idea.
[22:47] <mac_v> DanaG: i tried ... that;p , but no go :(
[22:47] <DanaG> Make a new file, so it won't get a conffile upgrade prompt.
[22:49] <DanaG> cat: /dev/ttyUSB0: Invalid argument
[22:49] <DanaG> what the heck?
[22:49] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, what filesystems are you usb hdds?
[22:49] <mac_v> those settings worked in intrepid , when i upgraded to Jaunty... that file became a backup , and the option were moved somewhere! i still havent found where!
[22:49] <DanaG> what option?
[22:50] <mac_v> /etc/modprobe.d/options
[22:50] <DanaG> You don't have to find where they are currently... you can just make a new conf file.
[22:50] <BUGabundo> DanaG: need an hammer?
[22:50] <mac_v> i tried that
[22:50] <DanaG> Naw, a putty knife would at least let my pry the thing open.
[22:50] <mac_v> but wireless doesn read the .conf option from modprobe.d  anymore
[22:51] <DanaG> What's the driver?
[22:51] <mac_v> iwl3945
[22:51] <mac_v> oh!
[22:51] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, copying mp3's from 1 usb stick to the other isn't all that slow
[22:51] <DanaG> hmm, perhaps the option has been renamed?
[22:51] <billybigrigger> getting ~4mb/s writes via iotop
[22:51] <DanaG> I know at least iwlagn had some get renamed.
[22:52] <DanaG> bit, or Byte?
[22:52] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, billybigrigger@cabo:/media/00AA-F35A$ time cp /media/16GB/boot/*.mp3 /media/00AA-F35A/
[22:52] <billybigrigger> real	0m24.216s
[22:52] <DanaG> 4mb and 4MB are not the same.  =þ
[22:52] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: anything
[22:52] <mac_v> maybe... but noone seems to know renamed to what :(
[22:52] <DanaG> modinfo iwl3945
[22:52] <DanaG> that should say.
[22:52] <billybigrigger> bug 4M/s
[22:53] <BUGabundo> mostly my tests were on FAT32 and ntfs
[22:53] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: rsync -vrhP --stats
[22:53]  * mac_v looks
[22:53] <billybigrigger> both my usb sticks are fat32
[22:54] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: that's _slow_
[22:54] <BUGabundo> I can get my usbstick up to 16MiB/s
[22:54] <BUGabundo> and HDs to 21
[22:54] <BUGabundo> e-sata to 48
[22:54] <billybigrigger> those were 4meg mp3 files
[22:54] <billybigrigger> haven't tested anything bigger than an mp3
[22:55] <BUGabundo> $ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null& pid=$!
[22:55] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:/media/00AA-F35A$ rsync -vrhP --stats /home/billybigrigger/linux-source-2.6.31-rc4-billybigrigger0727_2.6.31-rc4-billybigrigger0727-10.00.Custom_all.deb /media/00AA-F35A/
[22:55] <billybigrigger> sending incremental file list
[22:55] <billybigrigger> linux-source-2.6.31-rc4-billybigrigger0727_2.6.31-rc4-billybigrigger0727-10.00.Custom_all.deb
[22:55] <billybigrigger>       62.74M 100%   43.78MB/s    0:00:01 (xfer#1, to-check=0/1)
[22:55] <BUGabundo>   $ kill -USR1 $pid; sleep 1; kill $pid
[22:55] <BUGabundo> just replace the of
[22:55] <BUGabundo> LOL
[22:55] <BUGabundo> make a nice 1GiB file
[22:55] <BUGabundo> and then rsync it
[22:56] <billybigrigger> how bout a 60meg linux source deb :P
[22:57] <duncan__> hmm, is it possible to format a flash drive from fat to ext?
[22:57] <billybigrigger> that one is only a 60M usb stick, i'll try something bigger on my 16GB stick
[22:58] <yofel> duncan__: it's possible to format it with any filesystem available in ubuntu
[22:59] <duncan__> hmm, wonder how much of a performance gain it would get
[22:59] <duncan__> btw, how is the new framework in 9.10 they used to replace pidgin?
[22:59] <yofel> duncan__: well, forgetting the performance, you loose windows compatibility and you gain linux permission support
[23:00] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, billybigrigger@cabo:/media/00AA-F35A$ rsync -vrhP --stats /home/billybigrigger/linux-image-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714_2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb /media/16GB/
[23:00] <billybigrigger> sending incremental file list
[23:00] <billybigrigger> linux-image-2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714_2.6.31-rc3-billybigrigger0714-10.00.Custom_amd64.deb
[23:00] <billybigrigger>      377.51M 100%   48.09MB/s    0:00:07 (xfer#1, to-check=0/1)
[23:00] <billybigrigger> peaked at 52MB/s
[23:00] <duncan__> yofel, yeah I've got a few flash drives wouldn't mind having one for my project files that only works in linux
[23:02] <yofel> In my case I could live without the permission support, but the fact that windows filesystems can't handle symlinks drives me crazy :P
[23:02] <BUGabundo> right... the file was already there
[23:02] <BUGabundo> hehe
[23:02] <BUGabundo> but that's FAST
[23:04] <billybigrigger> ? what do you mean the file was already there
[23:04] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: <30 sec is not enouth to fill  the usb controler buffer
[23:04] <BUGabundo> it only slows down after several minutes copy
[23:04] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: try bonnie++
[23:05] <BUGabundo> no no
[23:05] <BUGabundo> its just to short on time
[23:06] <billybigrigger> k, 8GB .mkv it is
[23:06] <billybigrigger> :P
[23:06] <billybigrigger> hah 10s in it drops to 2M/s
[23:07] <kklimonda> heh, I got an awesome error when trying to copy a folder over ftp in nautilus: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29637090/error-copying.png
[23:07] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: right
[23:07] <BUGabundo> and it will slow down even more
[23:07] <BUGabundo> btw it also happens on debia
[23:07] <BUGabundo> so I guess it's a kernel bug
[23:08] <billybigrigger> up to 5.3MB/s
[23:08] <billybigrigger> it's climbing, not dropping
[23:08] <BUGabundo> ahahahah
[23:08] <BUGabundo> File is a Directory
[23:08] <DanaG> damnit, computer hard-locked again.
[23:09] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I get that when I plug USB
[23:09] <DanaG> I think it has something to do with the usb serial adapter.
[23:09] <DanaG> The only thing I did right when it froze: I turned on a device attached to the serial port.
[23:10] <BUGabundo> yep
[23:10] <BUGabundo> any thing other them my mouse
[23:10] <BUGabundo> will freeze my system
[23:10] <BUGabundo> only on 31-4
[23:10] <BUGabundo> -3 is OK
[23:11] <kklimonda> heh, sounds scary :)
[23:11] <DanaG> The USB part was already connected, though.
[23:12] <DanaG> So, the mere reading from serial port would've been what locked it up.  Odd.
[23:13] <xim_> does the 9.10 release come with the cylender-cube plugin for compiz?
[23:14] <coz_> xim_,  yes it should
[23:14] <coz_> xim_,  look in ccsm   cube refelction and deformation plugin
[23:14] <coz_> xim_,  then the Deformation tab
[23:14] <xim_> well i dont have it yet
[23:14] <coz_> oh
[23:14] <xim_> but sweet
[23:14] <BUGabundo> xim_: even jaunty had it!
[23:14] <BUGabundo> but now we have FISHS on it woot
[23:14] <coz_> :)
[23:14] <BUGabundo> see http://fileland.bugabundo.net/fotos/Linux/Desktop/20090727-2.png.php
[23:15] <xim_> nicce, 3d windows also?
[23:15] <xim_> i had to manually add that in 8.10
[23:17] <BUGabundo> right
[23:17] <BUGabundo> that's not default
[23:17] <BUGabundo> that's A LOT of compiz settings hacking at work
[23:17] <BUGabundo> eheheh
[23:17] <BUGabundo> DanaG: LOLOLOL
[23:17] <BUGabundo> DanaG: kklimonda <3 you
[23:17] <kklimonda> thanks ;)
[23:18] <xim_> yea i r l33t h4x0r!
[23:18] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: your secret is safe with me
[23:18] <BUGabundo> how could you even think that? can you see the way _he_ writes?
[23:18] <kklimonda> :D
[23:19] <kklimonda> please, I'm eating - if I choke myself while laughing I'll hold you responsible :P
[23:20] <BUGabundo> ahahahaahahaahahaahahaha
[23:20] <BUGabundo> isn't it a bit late?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> its like 24:30 there right?
[23:21] <kklimonda> well, ya - I eat at weird hours
[23:25] <DanaG> damnit, usb-serial adapter is causing kernel ooooopses.
[23:26] <DanaG> BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000000000000020
[23:26] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, I'm trying to get my prnt scrn to work while holding down the scroll wheel but I get nothing ..what's the setting ?
[23:27] <DanaG> and I'm guessing that if I just pull the thing out of the USB port... it'll lock up.
[23:27] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: scroll wheel????
[23:28] <BUGabundo> I just hit fn+scrlk
[23:28] <BluesKaj> on the mouse , to rotate the cube
[23:28] <DanaG> hmm, now it's working, or so it seems.
[23:29] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: I don't use the scroll
[23:29] <BUGabundo> lolol
[23:29] <BUGabundo> I use ctrl+alt+drag
[23:29] <BUGabundo> and I timed screenshot of 2 secs
[23:34] <DanaG> damnit, it did it again.
[23:34] <DanaG> Blocked all input devices.
[23:35] <DanaG> Including ACPI ones.  But yet, the little CPU usage thingy in my panel was still working.
[23:35] <DanaG> oh, and:  gnome-session[3793]: WARNING: Unable to find provider 'compiz' of required component 'windowmanager'
[23:38] <BUGabundo> grrr
[23:39] <BUGabundo> took me 4 tries
[23:39] <BUGabundo> but manage to make -4 crash with my 3G modem
[23:41] <DanaG> oh yeah, and trying to efi-boot... results in not finding initramfs/.
[23:42] <DanaG> I also get /proc/cmdline: no such file or directory
[23:44] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, not quite as fancy as yours but like this ? http://imagebin.ca/view/YYp3wFMe.html
[23:47] <duncan__> am I the only one who like the minimal effects that come as default? :p
[23:47] <BUGabundo> whoooooooooo nice
[23:47] <BUGabundo> duncan__: yes :P
[23:49] <duncan__> well crap ;)
[23:49] <duncan__> haha
[23:50] <duncan__> hmm, I wonder whall all we will have in 10.04, seeing as it is the next LTS
[23:50] <duncan__> what*
[23:50] <SKB> just more stability fixes i guess
[23:50] <duncan__> maybe a fully stable compiz version 1.0 ;)
[23:51] <BUGabundo> duncan__: MUAAAAUUA
[23:51] <duncan__> especially one that doesn't destroy itself when it gets introduced to wine :)
[23:52] <duncan__> compositing + wine = bad
[23:52] <DanaG> here are my settings: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Dana_Compiz.profile
[23:52] <duncan__> atm anyways
[23:52] <DanaG> Wine audio == bad, too.
[23:52] <BluesKaj> duncan__, so far so good in karmic ....compiz seems to run fine on the newest kde 4 too
[23:53] <duncan__> BluesKaj, well that is good to hear, and I always found it weird that kubuntu uses compiz instead of kwin
[23:56] <duncan__> but for wine I usually avoid all issues by setting up a separate xserver that doesn't load a DE
[23:56] <BluesKaj> duncan__, there is a choice but I don't much effects with kwin . Not that I use it much . mainly to impress friends and relatives :)
[23:56] <BluesKaj> get much
[23:56] <BluesKaj> whiz-bang stuff
[23:57] <duncan__> BluesKaj, hehe yeah, I just use the default effects that add to usability, alot of the fancy stuff I stay away from as it just distracts me
[23:58] <BluesKaj> wobbly windows and some transparency is ok
[23:59] <DanaG> Take a read of my settings in browser.
[23:59] <BluesKaj> W7 has wobblies too I think
[23:59] <DanaG> Nope.
[23:59] <duncan__> I use WIn7 on my desktop and no wobblies
[23:59] <DanaG> Normal-window: open is dream, close is sidekick.  Min/UnMin is Lamp.  Menus are Vacuum.