[09:35] one of my colleagues has just bought lots of cream cakes in to the office. i knew there was a reason i came to work this morning! === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [09:41] chrisccoulson1, ah ah, better than the 5 am wakingup to have no cake indeed ;-) [09:41] definately. i woke up quite late this morning as well!" [09:44] huats, why did you update the gtksourceview shlibs? [09:44] seb128: hum let me check (I need to think since it was quite late)) [09:45] chrisccoulson1, congrat you got commit 100 on g-c-c ;-) [09:47] seb128 - do i win a prize for the 100'th commit?;) [09:47] chrisccoulson1, the gnome-settings-daemon update is yours if you want to do it after work or something [09:47] ^ that's your prize :-) [09:48] seb128 - yeah, i can do. i already opened a bug for that one and assigned it to me [09:48] excellent [09:52] \o/ [09:52] I'm done with sponsoring I think [09:53] thanks everybody for all the good work on this upgrades round ;-) [09:56] seb128: I think I have changed the shlibs because I messed up... [09:56] huats, ok, that's what I though too ;-) [09:56] huats, can you fix it? [09:56] seb128: sure [09:56] thanks! [09:56] thanks to you... [09:57] the g-c-c builds are failing [09:57] chrisccoulson1, they probably need udev to be installed? [09:57] initramfs-tools depends on udev (>= 117-5); however: [09:57] that's known to be broken on buildds right now [09:57] Package udev is not configured yet [09:57] yeah, that seems like it ;) [09:58] ok, wait for the buildd admins to fix that and to retry builds [09:58] seb128, hello [09:58] hi, good morning everybody. I've noticed that on Karmic gdm does no longer let you choose the language of the session. Does anyone know whether this change comes from upstream or from an Ubuntu patch? [09:58] thanks. i thought for a moment that it was something i did ;) [09:59] hey coolbhavi [09:59] seb128, thanks for sponsoring most of my packages at one go :) [09:59] dpm, it does, after clicking on an user [09:59] coolbhavi, you're welcome, I was trying to clean a bit the sponsoring queue and half of it are work from you ;-) [09:59] hi coolbhavi [10:00] seb128, hehe :D Thanks again [10:00] chrisccoulson1, hello [10:01] coolbhavi, you seem motivated, it would be nice if you could try to lower the ubuntu-debian delta by sending all the changes which make sense to debian when you found some [10:01] lot of those "small" updates you worked on have no reason to have ubuntu delta [10:01] seb128, will do :) [10:01] seb128: oh, yeah, it does, I hadn't noticed the options underneath :) thanks [10:01] dpm, you're welcome [10:04] mvo, should bug #397087 be closed? you did uploads since your comment [10:04] Launchpad bug 397087 in update-manager "[karmic] update-manager crashed with TypeError in refresh_updates_count()" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397087 [10:05] seb128: yes, I was just checking why it was not auto-closed [10:05] mvo, " - fix crash in refresh_updates_count()" [10:05] seb128: hm, brasero fails because udev can not be installed in the buildds currently :/ [10:05] mvo, you didn't use lp: #nnn [10:05] *cough* [10:05] ok :) [10:05] mvo, right, several packages broke this way, let buildd admin fix it and retry builds [10:06] ok [10:07] hm, #78690 does not have a patch :/ [10:07] brb [10:08] mvo, unsubscribe the sponsor team then [10:21] seb128: obexd binaries are ready for NEW push [10:21] thx === _mrputa_ is now known as mrputa [10:56] asac, newed === _mrputa_ is now known as mrputa [11:32] gratias [11:33] crevette: wanna prepare latests gnome-bluetooth ;) ... obexd is now in archive [11:33] hi asac I see you uploaded obexd, don't have time right whilst I'm at work [11:34] perahps tonight if you're not waiting for it right now :) [11:34] crevette: thats ok ... wasnt ment to be an "urgent" item [11:35] It would likely FTBFs at the moment anyway... [11:35] just a heads up and if you would be up to it great [11:35] If it pulls in udev somewhere along the line at least. [11:35] it shouldn't [11:35] TheMuso: whats up with dev? [11:35] udev? [11:35] * asac consideres not to upgrade just now ;) [11:36] Nothing with udev the package, but something to do with udev attempting to stop/start in the buildds, and a weird signal being given which causes udev to fail to configure properly, causing the build to fail. [11:36] asac: Upgrading is fine [11:36] its a buildd host issue. Only armel and powerpc are not affected as the hosts don't run hardy. [11:45] ouch [11:45] we souldnt start udev in buildds ;) [11:45] shouldnt === ember_ is now known as ember === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [13:54] TheMuso, it seems you took care of pulseaudio, do you know if karmic will ship 0.9.15 or .16? [13:56] crevette, .16 [13:58] seb128, Thanks, this is cool for bluetooth audio stuf :) [13:58] crevette, good [13:58] hei guys, does anyone know where the /etc/modprobe.d/options settings for *wireless* have been moved?[some settings are set as xxxx.conf , but wireless killswitch state doesnt accept the settings from there] [13:58] * crevette wants to go back home testing latest gnome-media === rickspencer3-afk is now known as rickspencer3 === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:51] huats, hello? [14:55] seb128: ? [14:55] huats, still fixing the gtksourceview shlibs change? [14:55] I haven't forgot you (about gtksourceview) [14:56] I was busy on something else [14:56] ok no problem [14:56] I'll do it right now [14:56] I was wondering if you want me to fix it for you [14:56] no no I will handle that [14:56] :) [14:56] ok, good ;-) [14:56] thanks anyway [14:58] seb128: done [14:58] :) [14:58] huats, thanks [15:03] seb128: I'm teaching him bzr [15:05] :) [15:08] didrocks, good ;-) === DrPepperKid is now known as MacSlow === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [16:37] Is there somewhere I can turn off the stripy animation of the default GNOME progress bar? I'd like to confirm whether that's what's making my Xorg suck CPU horrendously [16:41] * seb128 does a break, be back for the meeting [16:41] or just before ;-) [16:46] Hmm, is defining your own ~/.gtkrc-2.0 meant to override your theme completely? How can I inherit from the theme instead? [16:57] kenvandine: hey. Do you think you'll have time to send the mail about the new preferences menu structure? [16:57] damn... yeah i'll do that today [16:58] kenvandine: awesome, thanks! === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [17:17] desktop team meeting in 13 minutes [17:17] we'll need to keep it to 30 mins if at all possible [17:28] * asac waves [17:29] yo [17:30] * ArneGoetje waves back to asac [17:30] ArneGoetje: asac: bryce: kenvandine: Riddell seb128 [17:30] who am I forgetting? [17:30] awe [17:30] afternoon [17:31] ccheney: and pitti are gone I think [17:31] ok ... I have a conflict, unfortunately ... [17:31] hello [17:31] so will need to bail out in 29 minutes [17:31] rickspencer3, conflict in 30min or now? [17:31] * asac too [17:31] morning! [17:31] I'm happy to finish on time [17:31] rickspencer3, sorry, have a plumber in the house... [17:31] I am sure you are all deeply aggrieved by this :) [17:31] seb128: its about finishing 30 minutes early :) [17:32] awe: to many jokes in my head right now [17:32] asac, the earlier the better ;-) [17:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-07-28 [17:32] rickspencer3, glad to serve your amusement! [17:32] asac: is the bt wiki set up? [17:32] (if not, we can do it next week at the sprint) [17:33] no worries [17:33] rickspencer3: you appropriately added it to "actions from this meeting" [17:33] bt wiki? [17:33] hehe [17:33] oops [17:33] rickspencer3: already added it to sprint agenda [17:33] Riddell: Bluetooth Wiki [17:33] okay, Riddell - quick word on Bluetooth in Kubuntu? [17:33] upstream is dead [17:33] :( [17:34] I've ordered hardware to test it myself and see what works [17:34] but I'm not terribly hopeful [17:34] hi [17:34] hi tkamppeter [17:34] rickspencer3: applet upstream is dead? [17:34] oops [17:34] Riddell: ^^ [17:34] asac: yes [17:34] hmmm [17:34] Riddell: whats the name of the kde bluetooth thing? [17:34] asac: kdebluetooth [17:35] Riddell, we should discuss Bluetooth and Network connection in Kubuntu ... both seem somewhat at risk for Karmic Kubuntu [17:35] yes [17:35] (but not now) [17:35] actually I'm hopeful on the network connection [17:35] lets add that to sprint agenda [17:35] good to hear [17:35] I've packages which work pretty well in my PPA [17:35] ACTION: RIddell to add Bluetooth/Network for Kubuntu to sprint agenda [17:35] ok, I had an action regarding GDM greeter resources [17:36] the design team is engaged, but no developer resources yet ... I have a meeting tomorrow where I can discuss with sabdfl and davidbarth [17:36] * asac wonders if IS could bring test access points so we can check various wifi options [17:36] ACTION: rickspencer3 to ask about test access points for trying various wifi options [17:36] elmo I presume [17:37] rickspencer3: at best even an AP with enterprise WPA support [17:37] maybe awe can bring one from lexington [17:37] asac: ack [17:37] awe: ? [17:37] we don't have any... [17:37] rickspencer3: ok. in case you need info what exactly to ask for ping me [17:37] hmmm [17:37] asac: I certainly will .. or perhaps some from IS will [17:37] thx [17:38] ok [17:38] moving on ... [17:38] rickspencer3, we have access points i could bring; just don't wpa-enterprise is in the cards [17:38] kenvandine: partner update? [17:38] sure [17:38] s/just don't/just don't think/ [17:38] desktopcouch is uploaded to the u1 beta ppa [17:39] it needs a fix to couchdb to be usable... i hope that gets sponsored soon [17:39] asac is looking at the bindwood ff extension, which syncs bookmarks [17:39] (riddell: which ppa is the networkmanager thing in?) [17:40] still waiting for a couple MIRs (couchdb and erlang) [17:40] i assume when pitti returns [17:40] asac: ~jr but amd64 only due to buildd breakage [17:40] u1 is progressing nicely [17:40] asac: you're on the MIR team, right? [17:40] rickspencer3: yes. [17:40] asac, ok, i chat with you after the meeting [17:40] Riddell: udev? [17:41] kenvandine: yes. we can check it [17:41] perhaps tomorrow you could help unstick the couch MIRs if needed? [17:41] for DX, indicator-sus is sort of done [17:41] asac: yes [17:41] erlang is quite a huge thing. i have to check with security thing if they want to take a look [17:41] needs some work still and the design team is working on it now, but should be ready to finish at the sprint [17:41] s/security thing/security team/ [17:42] kenvandine: great [17:42] i think that is it for the partner update [17:42] thanks [17:42] Riddell: Kubuntu? [17:42] - Kopete protocol fix for Yahoo in jaunty-proposed unapproved, who can approve if Pitti is away? [17:42] - Qt 4.5.2 includes security fixes for QtWebkit, unclear if or how those should go into -security [17:43] that's all, other stuff I had we already talked about [17:43] in terms of approving while pitti is away: [17:44] * asac never figured which team is responsible for -propose approval ... its alwasy been just pitti [17:44] 1. I am afraid today is drawing to a close, so will most likely wait until tomorrow [17:44] 2. pitti is back tomorrow [17:44] ;) [17:44] okay [17:44] moving on ... [17:44] Release targeted bugs .. [17:44] check the wiki, we don't have too many yet [17:45] and don't have any milestoned for alpha 4 [17:45] next is the sprint [17:45] essentially: [17:45] 1. I will try to minimize meetings as much as possible [17:45] 2. Add goals here: https://wiki.canonical.com/UbuntuPlatform/Sprints/Karmic/Desktop [17:46] 3. One thing that I want to accomplish there is postponing work items so that we can get under the trend line [17:46] rickspencer3: How can I see what will happen on the sprint, I cannot read these pages. [17:46] that's the agenda [17:46] any other business? [17:46] rickspencer3: you stopped publising the burnd down chart ... maybe we can add that to the meeting wiki page again= [17:46] tkamppeter: hmmm ... okay, let's you and I work that out offline [17:46] asac: sure [17:46] * asac doesnt remember where to check the trendline [17:47] the burndown chart is always available here: [17:47] asac, the url is on the wiki page for the meeting [17:47] http://piware.de/tmp/desktopteam-burndown-karmic.png [17:47] seb128: is it? [17:47] but I will be glad to embed it [17:47] oh its in sprint section [17:47] (it is, but don't worry, I'll just add it there) [17:47] yeah. but last weeks it wsant there ,) [17:47] I'll add it to the template in the release section [17:47] ACTION: rickspencer3 to add burndown chart to meeting template [17:48] rickspencer3: can you give me the bzr branch with all code used for that again too? i wanted to do that for the ffox 35 spec and then i didnt find all pieces [17:48] asac: sure [17:48] i think i found your chart python thing, but not the parser [17:48] great [17:48] oh, the parser is pitti's [17:49] any other business? [17:49] rickspencer3, were we going to make a decision on bluetooth today, or do we defer to the sprint? [17:49] awe: well ... [17:49] awe: that was discussed at the beginning. moved to sprint [17:49] I think we were going to give input regarding it, but I don't think we as a team accomplished enough for that [17:49] ok [17:49] so yeah, let's do this at the sprint [17:50] np [17:50] * rickspencer3 needs to get to fry's and buy some BT stuff [17:50] awe: does this cause a schedule problem that we should be aware of? [17:50] no, i just did a bunch of testing and was wondering if it was on the agenda for today. no rush [17:50] awe: great! [17:50] thanks [17:50] * asac hugs awe [17:51] rickspencer3: do you guys need anything from the design team before Dublin? [17:51] * awe grins [17:51] mat_t_: hmmm [17:51] ACTION: rickspencer3 to create list of design team inputs needed for sprint [17:51] mat_t_: thanks for bringing that up ... good thinking [17:51] np [17:51] I think I'll need to ponder and idscus [17:51] wow .. discuss, even [17:52] :) [17:52] * rickspencer3 is panting from "running" the meeting so fast [17:52] any other business? [17:52] * seb128 ponders replying "yes" [17:53] ;-) [17:53] seb128: go ahead, we have 7 mins [17:53] no, just jocking [17:53] hehe [17:53] jockeying? ;) [17:53] :) [17:53] doh! ;-) [17:53] let's not start teasing about typos, we'll never get work done here! [17:54] ArneGoetje: did you not have a question about iBus? [17:54] rickspencer3: well, MIR review is still outstanding [17:55] ArneGoetje: okay, perhaps tomorrow ping pitti, asac, or someone on MIR team to see if they can move it along [17:55] or is something specific blocking it? [17:55] rickspencer3: yep [17:55] i have a bunch of ibus MIRs on my plate. yes. [17:56] * asac considers to do half a day MIR tomorrow [17:56] asac has a very big plate to fit so much on it ;) [17:56] okay, if there's no other business ... [17:57] * rickspencer3 taps gavel [17:57] thanks all [17:57] thanks! [17:57] speaking of mir working would be nice if people could do some sponsoring work too [17:57] thanks! [17:57] thanks [17:57] I can't wait to get together next week! [17:57] thanks rickspencer3 [17:57] * rickspencer3 cracks the sponsoring whip [17:57] seb128: I'll look at the sponsoring report and pick some victims :) [17:57] the list is exploding while dholbach is on holidays [17:57] let's be nice and avoid him to have a stroke when he comes back ;-) [17:57] oh, so no sponsoring report then, either [17:58] rickspencer3, well http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/index.html [17:58] ACTION: everyone who can, do some sponsoring extra sponsoring this week [17:58] thanks ;-) [17:59] thanks all [17:59] * rickspencer3 sets up conference call for next meeting [18:07] * ccheney is in debconf meetings this week [18:08] * ccheney is doing OOo triage while listening to presentations, heh === WelshDragon is now known as Fluffles [19:18] * pitti waves to the channel [19:18] hey all! [19:19] pitti: welcome ... so #ubuntu-desktop IRC is part of your holiday plan? ;) [19:19] hey [19:19] sorry, I didn't make it back in time for the meeting [19:19] asac: well, it's almost over :) [19:20] pitti, good evening. Is there something wrong with apport-retrace in karmic? Or do I use it wrong? I always get info that reports do not contain required fields [19:20] kklimonda: ah, I know [19:20] nothing is wrong [19:20] kklimonda: You should usually pre-process them through the UI [19:21] so that it picks up dependencies, and all that [19:21] someone has a non english firefox running? [19:21] if you really don't want that, use the -R option [19:21] http://start.ubuntu.com/9.10/ vs. http://start.ubuntu.com/9.04/ [19:21] does localized search results really not work on both? ór just on 9.10? [19:22] asac: I do, although with vimperator [19:24] asac: from what I can see, both pages are equally bad [19:24] I took the first thing I thought about, "pizza" [19:24] on the ubuntu start page I get USish results, on google.de I get "local results in Dresden" [19:25] (and the usual sublinks like "in cache", etc.) === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [20:32] pitti has reappeared! [20:32] hi pitti:) [20:32] hey chrisccoulson [20:33] did you enjoy your time off? (I'm assuming you've taken some holiday) [20:33] chrisccoulson: yes, I was away from Friday until today, will officially start tomorrow again [20:33] just catching up on email and bug mail now :) [20:33] i bet you're looking forward to that ;) [20:37] * pitti sighs [20:41] hey [20:42] I have one question about when bumping soname [20:42] good night everyone [20:42] bye pitti [20:43] s/I have one question about/I don't know/ [20:44] pitti: so the problem is in fact that you dont get "local" results ... not that they are not "localized"? [20:44] hmm. i guess you answered the question. [20:50] pitti: "local results in Dresden" [20:50] so the text is even in english? [20:50] pitti: nevermind i can check on my own i guess [20:54] pitti - bug 400857 is a GDM issue isn't it? [20:54] Launchpad bug 400857 in gnome-session ".gnomerc file ignored under karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400857 [20:54] (/etc/X11/Xsession.d/55gnome-session_gnomerc not being sourced) [20:55] ah, pitti left already. seb128 will know the answer though ;) [20:56] hey [20:56] pitti was there? [20:56] hi seb128 - bug 400857 is a GDM issue isn't it? [20:56] Launchpad bug 400857 in gnome-session ".gnomerc file ignored under karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400857 [20:56] yeah, pitti was here a few moments ago [20:56] yes [21:03] chrisccoulson, I though it was but in fact it's gnome-session [21:03] ah, ok. i just reassigned it to gdm [21:04] what does gnome-session need to do differently? [21:04] dunno I've not looked at the bug [21:04] but gnome-session installs a Xsession.d script [21:04] not sure what makes it not work now [21:04] it does. but i think the issue is that it is no longer sourced anymore [21:05] (i think) [21:05] you mean Xsession.d wouldn't be used? [21:05] there is lot of things there, weird that nobody noticed [21:06] hmmm, i'll have a look in a bit [21:06] I know pitti dropped the distro custom version of the gdm init script [21:06] so it's possible that it breaks things [21:06] thats why i thought it might be GDM. but i'll have a look at it when i get the chance [21:07] it broke gnome-keyring a few days ago but that has been fixed now [21:08] well it seems that the gdm fix for gnome-keyring should fix that too [21:08] did you try with the current gdm version? [21:08] trying [21:08] brb [21:10] right doesn't seem to work, not sure why the patch pitti added source everything in Xsession.d now [21:11] I will let you debug that I want to do sponsoring now [21:11] no problem - i probably won't get the chance tonight though [21:11] no hurry it's really a corner case [21:11] I doubt many users running an unstable distro rely on .gnomerc [21:17] seb128 - i'm updating libgdamm at the moment. we incorporate the upstream major version in our source package name (so it becomes libgdamm3.0). the new upstream package uses a new API version (4.0), which will mean a new source package name (libgdamm3.0 -> libgdamm4.0). i'm not sure if i'm meant to copy the changelog across from the old version or not though [21:17] I've no strong opinion either way [21:17] copy it if you base it on the same package [21:17] yeah, i'll do that then [21:18] thanks:) [21:18] you're welcome ;-) [21:18] chrisccoulson, do you work on the g-s-d update? [21:19] I would do this one before the gdamm one ;-) [21:19] seb128 - yeah, i'll work on that [21:19] ok thanks [22:00] seb128 - have you noticed with the latest g-s-d - if you use your volume buttons to adjust your audio volume to zero (mute), and then press the volume up key once to unmute, notify-osd displays a mute icon with the first non-zero volume that appears? [22:00] chrisccoulson, no but the box I'm using right now is not uptodate [22:01] let me update [22:01] thanks. i'm just wondering if its something wierd on my setup [22:01] I will tell you that after update [22:01] thanks. [22:01] i'm going for dinner now, but i'll be back shortly [22:03] ok [22:07] seb128: I clicked on the crash file in Nautilus, and there's already a bug for the SIGSEGV in gvc_mixer_stream_is_running()... [22:08] awe, ok good, so yours is a duplicate ;-) [22:08] seb128: yea, looks that way [22:08] awe, that's another good think about using apport to send bugs [22:08] you notice duplicates [22:08] agreed [22:08] I just didn't know about clicking on crash files in Nautilus. pretty cool [22:10] you shouldn't need that [22:10] update-notifier should run apport on the .crashes [22:10] or did you stop update-notifier by some way? [22:10] nope [22:11] anyways, i added my comments to the bug. thanks for your help! [22:17] awe, you're welcome [22:27] i'm back now:) [22:28] the g-s-d update is nice and easy. a welcome change from last night ;) [22:30] ;-) [22:31] please comment on launchpad bug #389067 [22:31] Launchpad bug 389067 in gnome-power-manager "unintuitive settings in gnome-power-preferences" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/389067 [22:33] sahak, such issues are better discussed upstream usually [22:34] seb128, but the change is an ubuntu specific patch [22:34] looking [22:34] seb128, a very counter-intuitive patch I must say [22:35] sahak, why? [22:35] the change is there for a good reason [22:35]