[11:39] <rtluser> Hi! May someone help me with wireless connection on xubuntu?
[11:48] <psycho_oreos> rtluser, which realtek chipset you got?
[12:01] <rtluser> Hi! May someone help me with wireless connection on xubuntu?
[12:01] <rtluser> The problem occur swhen i disable the gdm
[12:02] <rtluser> when the gdm is on the wireless connection works fine/
[12:02] <basajaun> hi all
[12:04] <basajaun> I am experiencing some strange problems at start up loading window manager hangs for a while then a chaos of blinking screens then start so long and pretty messy  any Idea of where nto start looking?
[15:05] <zhxk> hello, does xfce on ubuntu the same as xubuntu?
[15:07] <Besogon> zhxk, the same you are right
[15:08] <zhxk> Besogon: how can xfce save resources? does firefox3 consume more on gnome and less on xfce, even the same programe?
[15:16] <TheSheep> zhxk: no
[15:16] <TheSheep> zhxk: but the desktop itself takes less resources
[15:16] <TheSheep> zhxk: file manager, panel, etc.
[15:16] <zhxk> TheSheep:what browser is prefered on xfce?
[15:16] <zhxk> which?
[15:17] <_Pete_> firefox
[15:17] <zhxk> firefox3?
[15:17] <zhxk> well, it consumes many resouces
[15:17] <zhxk> any lighter one?
[15:18] <_Pete_> opera?
[15:18] <zhxk> lighter?
[15:19] <TheSheep> chrome maybe
[15:19] <TheSheep> but it's not fully working yet
[15:19] <zhxk> chrome on windows is good
[15:20] <TheSheep> the linux version doesn;'t handle flash or password-protected sites
[15:20] <TheSheep> other than that it's nice
[15:20] <zhxk> well, my notebook is old
[15:21] <TheSheep> there is also midory and epiphany
[15:21] <TheSheep> midori
[15:21] <TheSheep> midori being in similar state as chrome
[15:21] <zhxk> are they good?
[15:21] <TheSheep> (es they use the same backend)
[15:21] <TheSheep> epiphany uses the same backend as firefox, so it's not so light
[15:22] <TheSheep> but it doesn't have all the ui written in js like firefox
[15:22] <TheSheep> and no addons
[15:23] <pdelgallego> hello I just installed Ubuntu 9.04 in a centrino-512Mb Ram laptop, but Its slow. Do you think xubuntu its going to be significant faster than Ubuntu? Any other easy distro more lightweight?
[15:23] <zhxk> oh, so opera is prefered?
[15:38] <zhxk> i cant install opera at all
[16:43] <gaurdro> pdelgallego, it will probably be some faster, as it tends to use less ram.  if you want something even lighter in the ubuntu family try fluxbuntu.
[16:43] <gaurdro> zhxk,  how did you go about installing it?
[16:45] <pdelgallego> guardo Im giving a chance to ubuntu + openbox, but i'll try fluxbutu too. Thnks for the answer.
[16:51] <zhxk> hello, i cant find opera on ubuntu
[17:00] <vidd> zhxk, sudo apt-get install opera
[17:01] <zhxk> vidd:it says opera don't exits
[17:02] <vidd> zhxk, you need to open up your sources
[17:03] <vidd> opera is not in main, so you need to enable universe and possibly multiverse run "sudo apt-get update" and try installing again
[17:04] <vidd> !opera
[17:04] <vidd> so its in multiverse
[17:04] <zhxk> i see
[17:05] <zhxk> i'll change source
[17:05] <vidd> read that help page
[17:06] <zhxk> how to select a best source?
[17:07] <vidd> !repo
[17:07] <vidd> zhxk, have you even LOOKED at the help documentation?!?
[17:08] <vidd> i recommend the first one
[17:12] <zhxk> what do you suggest?
[17:12] <vidd> zhxk, read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories
[17:13] <vidd> zhxk, also read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[17:13] <vidd> or simply do a google search "opera ubuntu"
[17:14] <vidd> you can even get a .deb for it off their web site
[17:17] <zhxk> still cant install opera
[17:18] <vidd> what did you do?
[17:18] <zhxk> well without apti-get might be dangerous
[17:18] <vidd> what steps did you take?
[17:19] <vidd> zhxk, what steps did you take?
[17:19] <zhxk> i changed the software source, no difference
[17:20] <zhxk> it seems ubuntu/xubuntu is heavier than xp
[17:20] <vidd> did you run "sudo apt-get update" like i told you so that apt-get has all the new stuff it didnt have b4?
[17:20] <zhxk> yes, i do
[17:21] <zhxk> i'm on ubuntu, at xfce
[17:22] <vidd> did all the "gets" succeed?
[17:22] <zhxk> yes
[17:23] <vidd> please enter the last line beginning with "hit"
[17:23] <zhxk> which file to edit?
[17:24] <vidd> i didnt ask you to edit anything
[17:24] <vidd> you said you ran sudo apt-get update
[17:24] <vidd> i want yuou to paste the last line of that here
[17:24] <vidd> because i dont believe you did
[17:25] <zhxk> it's chinese
[17:25] <vidd> either that, or you are using an out-of-date version
[17:25] <zhxk> its chinese
[17:25] <vidd> then translate it
[17:25] <zhxk> wow
[17:25] <zhxk> i translate it for you
[17:25] <vidd> it should be something like Hit http://us.archive.ubuntu.com jaunty-updates/multiverse Sources
[17:26] <vidd> if its not, then go get the deb from opera's site and then dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[17:28] <zhxk> how to get text from xterm?
[17:28] <zhxk> ill get it for you
[17:29] <vidd> did you read what i wrote?
[17:29] <zhxk> i do
[17:30] <vidd> does your apt-get update return http://[site.for.archive veresion]-updates/multiverse Sourses?
[17:30] <zhxk> root@ubuntu:/home/zhxk# LANG=C
[17:30] <zhxk> root@ubuntu:/home/zhxk# apt-get install opera
[17:30] <zhxk> Reading package lists... Done
[17:30] <zhxk> Building dependency tree
[17:30] <zhxk> Reading state information... Done
[17:30] <zhxk> Package opera is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[17:30] <zhxk> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[17:30] <zhxk> is only available from another source
[17:30] <zhxk> E: Package opera has no installation candidate
[17:31] <zhxk> root@ubuntu:/home/zhxk#
[17:31] <vidd> !paste | zhxk
[17:31] <vidd> zhxk, now run "apt-get update" and pastebin the results
[17:32] <zhxk> http://pastebin.ca/1510113
[17:33] <vidd> zhxk, good....NOW run apt-get install opera
[17:34] <vidd> zhxk, any luck?
[17:34] <zhxk> http://pastebin.ca/1510116
[17:35] <zhxk> Ive already tried that, not mind try again
[17:36] <zhxk> well, is galeon good also?
[17:36] <vidd> zhxk, then you have no choice but to dl the .deb from their site
[17:36] <vidd> ive never heard of galeon
[17:36] <vidd> epiphany is all the web browser i need
[17:36] <vidd> and firefox does a decent job too
[17:37] <zhxk> well,i want a leightweight and all functional one
[17:38] <vidd> then you DEFIANTLY dont want opera!
[17:38] <vidd> enjoy
[17:38] <zhxk> why
[17:38] <zhxk> whats wrong with opera?
[17:45] <moodog> evening :)
[17:46] <zhxk> im looking into dillo, but it has messay codes
[17:47] <durt> zhxk, you can try midori from the ppas, but probably no flash. dillo is not maintained anymore.
[17:51] <vidd> zhxk, its a memory hog
[17:54] <zhxk> how about jokosher
[18:00] <zhxk> dillo is fast, but it dont support chinese, and css
[18:01] <vidd> zhxk, dillo is fast but obsolete and no longer supported
[18:02] <vidd> zhxk, try epiphany
[18:02] <vidd> it is very similar to firefox, uses most of the same plugins, and runs faster
[18:02] <vidd> epiphany-browser
[18:08] <zhxk> is  ephiphany fast and lightweighted?
[18:08] <zhxk> well, im trying links2
[18:19] <m0r0n> Has anyone installed Listen sucessfully?
[18:20] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:21] <charlie-tca> It was default in Jaunty, wasn't it?
[18:35] <SiDi> (chromium-browser is also quite responsive and takes less ram than FF and midori)
[18:35] <SiDi> (but its still in alpha, you'll have to use a PPA)
[18:47] <Laibsch> Since about one or two weeks all items in the top panel of my Karmic Xubuntu are aligned left.  Even applets like  NetworkManager which used to reside on the right side.  How do I get it back to the old status?
[18:52] <zhxk> galeon is lighter than ephi
[18:56] <SiDi> Laibsch: its the tray notification area that moved
[18:56] <SiDi> right click just on the left of the leftmost icon
[18:57] <SiDi> it should prompt the menu of the notification area, then click on 'move' and put it back on the right
[18:58] <Laibsch> thank you, sidi
[18:58] <Laibsch> but no matter how much I try to move things
[18:58] <Laibsch> I can rearrange the items (weather applet, bunch of stuff)
[18:58] <Laibsch> But I can't spread them out
[18:59] <Laibsch> they always as a whole snuggle to the left
[19:00] <SiDi> its extremely tight, Laibsch
[19:00] <Laibsch> Yes
[19:00] <SiDi> let me show you a vid
[19:00] <Laibsch> But I verified now that I got the right panel by first looking at the properties
[19:01] <Laibsch> It said "Notification Area"
[19:01] <Laibsch> The furthest I can move that to the right is up to the logout button
[19:01] <SiDi> Yeh
[19:01] <SiDi> And then you click on 'Move', and move it
[19:01] <Laibsch> that button will always be the rightmost
[19:01] <SiDi> :/
[19:02] <Laibsch> But it's not aligned right anymore, it rather "compresses" everything snuggle left
[19:02] <Laibsch> if you understand what I mean
[19:03] <Laibsch> I don't think the Quit button on the right can be moved
[19:03] <Laibsch> SiDi: are you running Karmic?
[19:03] <vidd> Laibsch, you can move the quit button
[19:03] <SiDi> Laibsch: yes i am
[19:03] <Laibsch> vidd: maybe I should be able to, but I don't see how
[19:03] <SiDi> Sorry, can't record a video, gtk-recordmydesktop hurts my panels >_>
[19:03] <vidd> but you want to move the quit button, not move something to its right
[19:04] <Laibsch> Actually, I can move the quit button
[19:04] <Laibsch> to the left ;-)
[19:05] <vidd> correct
[19:05] <Laibsch> Well, but I want to spread out further to the right
[19:05] <Laibsch> so that doesn't solve the issue
[19:05] <Laibsch> I'm not overly concerned with ordering of the buttons at this point in time
[19:05] <vidd> i guess i dont understand
[19:05] <vidd> can you post a screenshot?
[19:05] <Laibsch> let me give you a screenshot
[19:06] <vidd> heh
[19:09] <Laibsch> http://www.picpaste.com/top-panel.png
[19:09] <Laibsch> that is my whole top panel
[19:09] <Laibsch> you should easily see how everything is squashed to the left
[19:09] <vidd> ic
[19:09] <Laibsch> I can rearrange stuff
[19:09] <Laibsch> but not lift the "squashing"
[19:10] <vidd> you need to put a space in there
[19:10] <Laibsch> OK
[19:10] <th0r> Laibsch: you can space the icons by placing separators in between them and setting the separators to be expanding space
[19:10] <Laibsch> I'll try
[19:10] <Laibsch> I see
[19:10] <Laibsch> I already have a separator between Net and Thunar
[19:11] <Laibsch> I'll inspect the properties for that
[19:11] <vidd> once the space is in there, you can configure it so it uses more room
[19:11] <Laibsch> Wow, that was easy
[19:11] <vidd> =]
[19:11] <th0r> Laibsch: right click on the separator and set it to be an expanding space
[19:11] <Laibsch> Thanks
[19:11] <Laibsch> Why do things always seem so easy once you do the right thing ;-)
[19:11] <th0r> Laibsch: you can create any number of groups and equally space them by doing the same between each two groups
[19:11] <Laibsch> cool
[19:11] <Laibsch> thanks
[19:24] <SiDi> Laibsch: im sorry, i actually didnt understand your problem, but now with the screenshot its obvious.
[19:27] <ceafu> hello all. anyone here running xubuntu or any distro on the newest mac mini with nvidia card ?
[19:54] <zhxk> midori often cracks
[19:59] <Bass|CdOb> hey guys
[20:00] <Bass|CdOb> anyone here?
[20:00] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[20:00] <Bass|CdOb> -.-
[20:01] <Bass|CdOb> when i'm burning Xubuntu, can it be a DVD instead of a CD?
[20:01] <charlie-tca> yes, most of the time that should work fine
[20:01] <Bass|CdOb> what should the DVD size be?
[20:01] <charlie-tca> As a matter of fact, it is even recommended when the images are oversized
[20:01] <charlie-tca> any size you can boot from
[20:02] <Laibsch> charlie-tca: you should give the "anyone"-crowd more than eight seconds to finish their question, though ;-)
[20:02] <charlie-tca> I did. There were two questions asked in a row
[20:02] <Bass|CdOb> what do you mean oversized?
[20:02] <Bass|CdOb> like the .iso file is bigger than the DVD size?
[20:03] <charlie-tca> Sometimes the cd image is two big and has to be made smaller when the daily images are run.
[20:03] <charlie-tca> No, it will never be bigger than dvd size.
[20:03] <Bass|CdOb> alright
[20:04] <Bass|CdOb> MD5SUM seems to freeze up when I use it to check hashes, is there another way to check the hash?
[20:04] <TheSheep> Bass|CdOb: md5sum < thefile.md5
[20:04] <Bass|CdOb> i'm on Windows XP
[20:05] <TheSheep> Bass|CdOb: then try asking on ##windows
[20:05] <TheSheep> but it should work anyways
[20:05] <Bass|CdOb> alright
[20:05] <Bass|CdOb> because i downloaded it straight from xubuntu.com website
[20:05] <TheSheep> !md5 | Bass|CdOb
[20:36] <Bass|CdOb> and for compatibility on Xubuntu, will I be able to run games, photoshop, and every day applications?
[20:38] <charlie-tca> Bass|CdOb: windows compatibility or ??
[21:10] <Bass|CdOb> Linux
[21:11] <Bass|CdOb> Will I be able to run programs on Linux such as games, photoshop and other stuff?
[21:18] <moodog> Bass|CdOb: Not natively no.  Some games and windows applications will run under various types of emulation or virtualisation.
[21:26] <Bass|CdOb> Will the Emulation make the game slower than normal?
[21:41] <vidd> Bass|CdOb, it can
[21:41] <vidd> it all depends on the game and the emulation
[21:42] <vidd> for example, games that you need dosbox on windows to run will acually be faster in dosbox on linux (at least that has been my experience)
[21:48] <Bass|CdOb> The games i'm looking forward to run are Diablo II, Lord of Destruction, Warcraft 3 The Frozen Throne, and Maplestory and maybe even Starcraft BattleChest
[21:49] <vidd> Bass|CdOb, get a gaming only machine and run windows machine
[21:49] <vidd> on it
[21:49] <vidd> Bass|CdOb, or dual-boot
[21:50] <vidd> you run an emulator with those games, you will never be satified
[21:52] <strixv> Hey guys are there suggestions for how to speed up the responsiveness of my desktop?
[21:52] <strixv> I like xfce but I'm not running Xubuntu on slow hardware; it's on a new machine with a decent graphics card, 4GB memory, etc
[21:53] <strixv> For example - when I OS key + right to change virtual desktops, then OS key + left to go back, there's always a slight delay before the windows "appear"
[21:53] <strixv> Which feels slow and clunky
[21:53] <strixv> They should just be there. I guess they're unloaded from memory or something when I page? But hopefully there's a "performance option" to turn this off
[22:13] <Bass|CdOb> will dual booting make the PC more slow? It's slow enough as it is, with 256mb ram
[22:21] <ochosi> Bass|CdOb, if you don't use up you're last hdd-space with the second os i don't see any prob there
[22:59] <sdfh> anyone wake?
[23:00] <ochosi> yes?
[23:00] <sdfh> if i install xubuntu... It will find all my hardware and drivers in the installation of xubuntu right? The only diffrent between ubuntu and xubuntu is that i can choose wich packages i want to install?
[23:01] <ochosi> you can always choose your apps
[23:02] <ochosi> and yes: in that sense, there's no difference between x/ubuntu
[23:02] <sdfh> yes but i dont like the all apps that is installed from ubuntu, takes som time to uninstall of them.. It should be nicer to choose every package from the fresh install
[23:02] <Name141> is it possible to get drivers for the VooDoo3 3DFX?
[23:02] <ochosi> yeah, then do a server install
[23:03] <sdfh> ochosi: do i need to install the server edition then?
[23:03] <ochosi> sdfh, well, that's one option to start with a minimum number of packages
[23:04] <ochosi> sdfh, but you can also choose xubuntu and modify it
[23:04] <sdfh> ochosi: okey hmm
[23:04] <ochosi> sdfh, anyway, if you decide to go for server, then you also have some work to do. so it's a question of whether you prefer to add or remove packages
[23:05] <sdfh> ochosi: I just want those apps that i wanna use, like compiz, thunderbird, firefox, xchat etc.
[23:06] <sdfh> ochosi: I just want those apps that i wanna use, like compiz, thunderbird, firefox, xchat etc.
[23:07] <ochosi> well, those are standard in xubuntu (apart from compiz)
[23:08] <ochosi> sdfh, so that would save you some work
[23:08] <sdfh> yeah so i should use xubuntu then?
[23:10] <sdfh> or is there any commando to use to get ridd of ubuntu packages?
[23:10] <ochosi> i would say give it a try if it features the programmes (etc) you like
[23:10] <ochosi> sdfh, apt-get remove ubuntu?
[23:11] <ochosi> sdfh, and after that do "autoremove" and "autoclean". that should help
[23:11] <sdfh> ochosi: couldt find any packages it said
[23:12] <ochosi> sdfh, well, actually it's called ubuntu-desktop (i think)
[23:12] <sdfh> i tested that also
[23:13] <ochosi> normally ubuntu-desktop should be the meta-package you're looking for
[23:13] <ochosi> but anyways, are you trying to switch from ubuntu to xubuntu or are you going for a clean install?
[23:13] <sdfh> ochosi: i just want a clean install i think
[23:14] <ochosi> sdfh, ok, then just dl the xubuntu jaunty image and go for it :)
[23:14] <sdfh> ok