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alexkaympt: djsiegel: ping?00:14
alexkaydjsiegel1: ping?00:46
djsiegel1hey alexkay00:47
djsiegel1what's up?00:47
alexkayhey! lamalex said that you could help, at banshee we have a design problem...00:48
alexkayhttp://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=55901300:48
alexkaywe are not sure the last patch is the best way to handle it.... you can see the screen-shot in comment #600:50
SiDialexkay: i'd be prone to reduce this to a simple "import music" thatd open a FolderChooserDialog00:50
djsiegel1alexkay: I don't see any screenshots00:51
alexkaySiDi: it's not only from folders... we have importers from other media players (amarok, rhymebox, itunes)00:51
alexkaydjsiegel1: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=13654100:51
SiDialexkay: that wasnt in 1.4.3, right ?00:51
alexkaySiDi: no, it's recent00:52
SiDiokey00:52
SiDicause 1.4.3 offers to import home/any folder/any files/"videos from your photo folder"00:52
alexkaysome stuff only exists in the form of patches00:52
SiDiWhich can easily be turned into one single thing :)00:52
alexkaySiDi: the idea is that we have many importers, each of them with their unique import options00:53
alexkaythe last patch adds the list of options under the comobobox listing the importers00:53
djsiegel1alexkay: first of all, you guys repeat the window title bar in the window00:53
djsiegel1I would change the text to "Choose an import source and click 'Import'"00:54
djsiegel1and change the button to "Import"00:54
djsiegel1you are calling them "import sources" and "media sources"00:54
djsiegel1Maybe "Choose a source to import from:" and the import button could say "Next" ?00:55
djsiegel1alexkay: I am a bit confused because I don't see how the import feature works with the other sources00:56
djsiegel1I think you might be best splitting these out00:56
djsiegel1have File > Import Media from Folder00:56
djsiegel1that goes directly to a GtkFileChooser00:56
djsiegel1then have another entry in the File menu, File > Import from... > { Amarok, Mass Storage Device, Network } whatever00:57
djsiegel1you could get rid of this dialog entirely00:57
alexkaydjsiegel1: the problem is the the folder importer will get options as well, so a simple file chooser won't work00:57
djsiegel1the folder importer will get options?00:57
djsiegel1present the options after the person chooses the files/folders to import00:57
alexkaywe have a pending patch to import ratings, playcounts etc... these will be options during import00:58
djsiegel199% of the time, users are going to import files/folders00:58
djsiegel1it might be nice to have a dedicated menu item, Import Media from Folder, that does not present the user with the other importers00:58
djsiegel1you could let the user pick the folder, then present the options00:59
djsiegel11. File > Import Media from Folder00:59
djsiegel12. GtkFileChooser to pick folder(s)00:59
djsiegel13. Import confirmation dialog with options00:59
SiDiimo you could hold this all in "import media from folder" and "import from other players"01:00
SiDiand you put your fancy stuff with the dialog in the second option01:00
SiDibecause what you have right now is a bit of overkill when one just wants to import his music folder01:00
djsiegel1right01:00
djsiegel1confirmation dialog could show the folder path that is going to be imported from, the number/size of the files, and there you could have your options (ignore duplicates, import ratings), and  cancel and Import buttons01:00
djsiegel1would be a lot simpler for users who just want to find a folder and import their files01:01
alexkaywe also allow to import individual files, should it be a separate menu item as well?01:01
djsiegel1alexkay: no, users don't make that distinction01:01
SiDibut its hard to make a file/folder chooser dialog, djsiegel1 01:02
djsiegel1files and folders are "my music stuff"01:02
alexkaybut the GtkFileChooser works either on files or on folders01:02
SiDithough i dont see the use of file importing, alexkay 01:02
djsiegel1yes, it does01:02
djsiegel1some people want to import the mp3 they just downloaded to their desktop01:02
SiDiand how long will the files stay on the desktop ?01:02
djsiegel1that's not our problem01:03
djsiegel1for most users, indefinitely :)01:03
djsiegel1I mean, it is our problem, but it's not the problem we are solving now01:03
djsiegel1people do import individual song files01:03
djsiegel1and, people are importing media01:03
djsiegel1they might import that 2gb HD file they just got off a torrent01:03
alexkayexactly01:04
alexkayso, how would it look like then? two menu items for files/folders is bad... and the file chooser cannot select files and folders at the same time01:05
djsiegel1are you sure?01:05
djsiegel1alexkay: I think it can01:05
alexkayto be honest, no :)01:05
djsiegel1I am pretty sure it can01:05
djsiegel1I am not certain though01:06
SiDiit can with gtk tweaking01:06
SiDibut it wouldnt be extra at all01:06
djsiegel1I am pretty sure GtkFilechooser just picks a set of paths01:06
djsiegel1you can set options telling it which paths to filter out by extension01:06
SiDion file chosing dialogs, using the open button when selecting a folder opens it in the chooser, while it'll chose it and end the dialog in a folder chooser01:06
djsiegel1ewww01:06
alexkayjust checked, the dialog takes the action parameter, which is either 'open' or 'select folder'01:08
alexkayso, it cannot do both01:08
alexkaydjsiegel1: as for the other importers, do you suggest a sub menu item for each of them, e.g. iTunes, amarok, rhythbox, etc?01:11
alexkayopening a dialog with options specific to the importer?01:11
SiDimrooney: you can use the translators comments, too ;)01:12
djsiegel1alexkay: yes01:12
djsiegel1alexkay: I suggest that01:12
SiDimrooney: refferring to the old bug report you commented a few mins ago01:14
alexkayok guys, thanks for your suggestions!01:14
mrooneySiDi: I never figured out how to get those into Rosetta :[01:14
SiDimrooney: 2 hours ago actually haha :D01:14
SiDimrooney: just add a #comment the line just above the string01:14
mrooneyBut I think you have to pass xgettext some command when generating the templates01:14
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MDC2hi! any suggestion of stock icon to use instead of gtk-dialog-warning inside the entry as in this screenshot http://www.mejlamej.nu/n-w.png14:21
MDC2the icon will be displayed when the path is local and does not exists14:21
MDC2http://www.mejlamej.nu/nautilus-entry.png - an example using the stop icon.. 14:22
beunoMDC2, you could make the font red14:24
MDC2beuno, hmm, yeah... I'll discuss this with david s (his idea actually)14:25
SiDiMDC2: http://imagebin.ca/img/3QXJrHkG.png14:37
SiDii dont know if it works for everyone but in europe this symbol is used to say a path/road is forbidden14:38
SiDiso its quite explicit that you *cant go there*, for europeans at least, with this icon14:38
beunoyeah, I think that icon is used in other places as well14:40
beunoMDC2, if you want to be super awesome14:40
beunoyou could highlight which part of the path is wrong14:40
beunoall of it, or the last part, etc14:41
SiDibeuno: it looks logical to me that its somewhere in the end ;)14:41
mac_vMDC2: this is for the pop-up location?14:45
mac_vlocation bar14:45
mac_vMDC2: gtk-dialog-error is more logical i suppose14:47
mac_vor event status/error icon , 14:47
mac_vMacSlow: hi... the notification icons in karmic , are now more pixelated , does it have to be changed in notify-osd or in the theme?15:00
MacSlowmac_v, they should not15:01
MacSlowand without a screenshot it's hard to say15:01
mac_vMacSlow: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot.png15:01
MacSlowmuch depends on the set theme15:01
mac_vMacSlow: kwwii insists its a notify-osd bug15:01
MacSlowwhat's wrong with that screenshot... it's super-crips15:02
MacSlowcrisp15:02
mac_vthe volume icon  bars are pixelated... wait i'll show the wireless15:02
MDC2mac_v, yes this is the popup15:04
MDC2mac_v, but the icon is supposed to be inside the entry, not in the dialog..15:05
mac_vMDC2: the "error" icon is for errors15:06
MDC2beuno, djsiegel didn't like rred font color...15:06
MDC2mac_v, yep, any suggestion of another icon to use?15:07
mac_vMacSlow: kwwii http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot.png note the bars they merge 15:07
djsiegelMDC2: what about a label under the entry, invisible unless path is invalid, then it could say "Location does not exist"15:07
mac_vMDC2: you can use the "error" that is the icon label15:07
mac_vMacSlow: kwwii the bars where smoother in Jaunty15:08
MacSlowmac_v, ehm... a side-by-side would have been better15:08
mac_vah :( now i have to boot into jaunty :(15:08
MacSlowmac_v, side-by-side (wireless + volume) for current notify-osd in karmic, same for jaunty15:09
MDC2mav_c, djsiegel, so not use an icon at all?15:09
MacSlowmac_v, that's the best way to see any differences in relation to each different version15:09
MDC2SiDi, what stock icon is it on the screenshot? gtk-stop?15:10
mac_vwait i think i have backups15:10
mac_vMDC2: that is the error icon ;p15:10
mac_vin SiDi's15:10
* SiDi doesnt know15:10
djsiegelMDC2: I still like using the icon15:10
djsiegelDanRabbit: ping15:11
MDC2mac_v, isnt gtk-error part of standarrd stock? http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-Stock-Items.html15:11
MDC2djsiegel, how about this: use a folder icon if it's found, network folder for remote folders, and folder with ? if unknown?15:12
djsiegeleh15:13
mac_vMDC2: it is a standard but it is not in gnome icons or human.... check this one out /usr/share/icons/gnome/scalable/status/error.svg , 15:13
djsiegelcan I type a file there?15:13
mac_vMacSlow: kwwii  http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-3.png15:14
mac_vvolume icon...15:14
MacSlowmac_v, the new look is much more precise and crisper... thus not a regression at all compared to jaunty15:16
MacSlowmac_v, it's all still cairo and svg in case you wonder15:16
mac_vMacSlow: you are right , the icons need adjustment , but kwwii feels its a notify-osd bug15:16
MacSlowmac_v, I don't think there's anything wrong with either the icons or notify-osd15:17
MacSlowodd that kwwii thinks icons are off in jaunty15:18
mac_vits just me then ... http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-1.png dont the bars looks fudged?15:18
mac_vwireless^15:18
MacSlowmac_v, the top version (karmic) is certainly nicer to look at than the bottom one15:19
mac_vnote the first bar15:19
mac_vi like it , but its *not* pixel aligned well, IMO15:19
MacSlowmac_v, that's impossible with the way the designers want notify-osd to render stuff15:20
MDC2djsiegel, I don't think we can type a file, wich is kinda sad, it would be nice..15:20
MacSlowmac_v, there's nothing kwwii could do about it15:20
mac_vah... well.. ;p15:20
MDC2djsiegel, shall we go with the error icon as mac_v suggested?15:21
MacSlownotify-osd is designed and written in a way to be resolution in dependent... trying to inject certain pixel-alinged icons asks for more complexity and trouble than it's worth it15:21
mac_vMacSlow: i understand that its not a notify-osd issue , i first talked to kwwii , he said it was your bug, hence discussed with you... i feel the icons need a bit of adjustment15:22
MacSlowmac_v, everybody has different screen-DPI, font-sizes set15:23
MacSlowmac_v, one can't anticipate this in a general fashion for icon-design15:23
* MacSlow hopes the days of "pixel-counting" are over15:24
mac_vhehe... me too. :)15:24
mac_vkwwii: your thoughts? have you noticed any difference in these new screenshots? or are these fine as is?15:26
djsiegelMDC2: sounds reasonable, see what upstream thinks of the screenshot15:26
djsiegelMDC2: if you could use a nice theme on your desktop, it would be more convincing upstream15:26
djsiegelMDC2: you have an incredibly ugly desktop15:26
djsiegelall boxy15:26
djsiegeltry Murrina Candido15:26
mac_vMDC2: still facing gnome-settings-daemon crashes ?15:27
kwwiihrm, the icons are at a fixed size, so they should always be sharp at that size15:30
kwwiiMacSlow: are the icons being scaled? that would not be the best idea, really15:30
MDC2djsiegel, mac_v; its not my normal desktop - i could not stand such a ugly desktop. But the problem is when i use NX - the daemon crashes directly upon start15:30
MDC2haven't got time to look in that.. 15:30
mac_vkwwii: the icons are pixelated with sans 10 settings too15:31
MDC2djsiegel, i'll provide better screenshots for upstream (once I got a deb package i can install to one of my virtual machines)15:31
MacSlowkwwii, if course they are... they need to because of the in-bubble size-calculations done in EMs15:32
djsiegelMDC2: ah, it looked like something had crashed15:32
MacSlowkwwii, this is a fundamental design-feature of notify-osd (the specs of it and its implementation)15:32
MDC2djsiegel, i also manage to fix the signal problem by setting _after to the signal inside eel. So if I enter an incorrect remote path i'll get back to the open location dialog with the same path15:32
djsiegelMDC2: awesome15:33
MacSlowkwwii, if you see a problem with that... take the fight to mat_t and mpt :)15:33
MDC2its not optimal as its an extra popup, but its better than before, i'll see what upstream has to say once I polished the patch15:33
kwwiiMacSlow: wow, that totally breaks the icon theme idea though15:34
MacSlowkwwii, did you never see -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD#Inside%20the%20bubble15:35
MacSlowkwwii, that's been in place since jaunty15:35
mat_tkwwii: bubble size is variable, so they have to scale15:35
mac_vmat_t: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-1.png http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-3.png  15:35
kwwiiMacSlow: well, it hasn't been my job to work on that, other than to make the icons...and at the time I was told to make them at 48x48 pixels15:35
kwwiiI honestly didn't look into the specifics of that page15:36
mat_tkwwii: there's a massive difference in quality though between the svg preview in the system, and notify-osd rendering15:36
MacSlowkwwii, I don't really see any issue with them on any of my machines really15:36
MacSlowkwwii, mat_t: I'd say true resulution indepence comes at a cost... and for my (picky) eyes it more than acceptable15:37
MacSlowhm... I had better times at spelling english15:37
kwwiiI hadn't noticed any problems on my machines, but mac_v brought it up ;)15:37
mat_tMacSlow: yes, it is acceptable15:38
mac_vmat_t: note the icons are not sharp, they need a bit of adjustment for karmic15:38
MacSlowkwwii, from mac_v screenshots I honestly don't see any issues... just what I expect (and also see on my machines... netbook, laptop, desktop)15:38
mat_tMacSlow: yes, mac_v's icons seem sharp15:39
mac_vMacSlow: the curved bars being pixelated is normal , but the straight bars *should not* have pixelation , 15:39
mac_vthe *icons* need a bit of a of pixel tweak15:40
* MacSlow always welcomes solid patches (with proper and complete unit-tests)15:40
mat_tmac_v: try previewing the same svg in the system preview, is there any difference?15:40
mat_tmac_v: since they're scalable, there is no way of pixel-tweaking really. It's always going to be better at some sizes and worse at others15:41
MDC2djsiegel, btw, should the icon appear in all location entries or just the popup?15:41
djsiegelwhat other location entries, for example?15:42
MDC2the standard in-window bar15:42
MDC2in the toolbar15:42
MDC2the thing is this is a custom widget inside nautilus and it could be nice to have the same look and feel for the same control all over nautilus15:43
mac_vmat_t: the problem arises for the wireless icons since they are not perfect rectangles , the have curved edges , this problem can be avoided if the bars had straight angles15:43
mac_vand its tough to notice the difference in system preview , because of the transparency the have surrounding he icons15:44
mac_vthey*15:45
mat_tmac_v: try putting them on grey background in inkscape15:45
mac_vhehe... just did that...15:45
mac_vmat_t: yup same problem , as the bubbles15:46
djsiegelbrb15:46
mac_vmat_t: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-notification-network-wireless-full.svg%20-%20Inkscape.png15:47
mat_tmac_v: yeah, that's probably as good as it gets at that size15:48
mac_vmat_t: could we use the bars as having straight angles?15:48
mac_vthis spoils the look of the bubbles15:49
mat_tmac_v: not really... that would make them lose the uniqueness15:49
mac_varghhh... ;p15:49
mat_t:)15:50
SiDimat_t: hello ! is there a reason why notify-osd doesnt ship all the notification-* icons at the moment ?15:51
mat_tSiDi: no idea!15:51
mat_tkwwii: MacSlow: ^15:51
SiDiMacSlow said "see this with the design team"15:52
SiDiit lacks some audio icons, the new battery icons, and, i think, a lot of the extra wireless icons15:52
mat_twell, then... kwwii?15:52
mat_tyes I have noticed that, too15:52
mat_tI think it's because the new packages are not patched to call the right icon15:53
kwwiiSiDi: you mean the new icons you sent me?15:53
mac_vSiDi: which location? human/ or elsewhere15:53
kwwiierm, was that you that sent them to me?15:53
SiDikwwii: these and many others15:54
mac_vlol15:54
SiDisince jaunty they have been lacking15:54
mat_tkwwii: are you not running Karmic?15:54
SiDiwhen i tested humanity, audio notifications were gone because there were no volume icons ;)15:54
SiDinotify-osd should ship each notification-* icon in the package as backup15:55
SiDiat the moment we relay on human being there :/15:55
kwwiiSiDi: I am just updating the human theme today15:55
kwwiiSiDi: also, a bug needs to be made to get the new names into code15:55
SiDiaw15:55
kwwiiSiDi: ahhh, you are now talking about the icons in the package itself15:55
SiDithere is one somewhere already :P15:55
kwwiiSiDi: anyone is free to work on those15:56
SiDikwwii: im talking about these since the beginning xD15:56
kwwiiSiDi: hrm? are you talking about the human icons or the ones in the package itself?15:56
kwwiiie the plain gnome icons?15:56
* SiDi means : the notify-osd package doesn't have the whole scope of notification-* icons in use by apps15:57
SiDiWhich results in lacking icons when not using Human15:57
mat_tkwwii: yes, there's just no icons at all in most bubbles15:57
SiDiSorry, i'm not very clear15:57
mat_tkwwii: in some, not most15:58
SiDihttp://pastebin.com/m3c64d212 kwwii 15:58
mac_vin Karmic the notify-osd/ has only gnome icons! :?15:58
SiDihttp://pastebin.com/mcf6c15c15:59
kwwiiSiDi: the ones in the package are free for anyone to work on15:59
SiDiand yeh, it has some damn tango-ish icons instead of the sexy Human ones :p15:59
kwwiiif the human icons are not being shown, that is another problem 16:00
SiDikwwii: okies16:00
mac_vSiDi: those are gnome icons16:00
kwwiiSiDi: right, the ones in the package itself are supposed to be gnome icons16:00
kwwiiwhereas the ones in the human set are the nice ones ;)16:00
SiDiokey :P16:00
SiDiit means i have to make a PACKAGE with separate human notification icons >_>16:00
SiDifor my own use * :P16:00
mac_vi think the problem with humanity is because it doesnt have Human as the fallback ,  but rather gnome as the fallback16:01
SiDiok, as for the notify-osd ones, when you say free to work on, you mean free to package existing gnome icons or free to design these missing icons ? :/16:01
mac_vDanRabbit: ^ is it so?16:01
djsiegel1mat_t, beuno, our clock applet shows the weekday and date in its tooltip, and of course on click -- can we remove the day and date from the panel and just show the time?16:03
beunodjsiegel1, for some reason, I feel safer seing the date16:09
beunohas the tooltip been fixed in karmic?16:09
beunoin jaunty the tooltip is bogus16:09
djsiegel1"fixed"?16:09
djsiegel1seems fine to me in karmic16:09
djsiegel1keep in mind you will probably feel "unsafe" whenever an interface fixture is removed16:09
beunoin jaunty it says "Click to view your appointments and tasks"16:10
djsiegel1in Karmic is says the date16:10
beunogreat16:10
beunoI'm trying to think how I'd feel16:10
beunoI guess I only need to know the date once a day16:10
beuno:)16:10
djsiegel1yeah, it might be nice to have weather and time because they change during the day16:11
beunoagreed16:11
mat_tdjsiegel1: is date and weather the default now?16:14
mat_tdjsiegel1: I was under the impression they are opt-in16:14
djsiegel1yes, but weather only shows if you set your location16:14
djsiegel1default is16:14
mat_tright - which kinda makes sense16:14
djsiegel1Wed Jul 29, 10:14 AM16:14
mat_tah16:14
djsiegel1I think we should go to 10:14 AM16:14
djsiegel1date is shown on hover and click16:14
mat_tI'd go for Wed 10:40 AM16:15
mat_talthough I wouldn't just make that call like that16:15
djsiegel1hmm, that might be more work16:15
djsiegel1how do we get this discussion moving somewhere?16:15
djsiegel1would be a nice change for karmic16:16
djsiegel1we have a really nice panel going16:16
beunodjsiegel1, file a bug?  :)16:16
mat_tdjsiegel1: papercut?16:16
djsiegel1but who makes a decision like this? design team?16:16
djsiegel1I have a feeling everyone will overrule everyone else16:17
djsiegel1"ubuntu-devs say date is useful for ubuntu members"16:17
djsiegel1something like that16:17
mat_twell, I'm sure date *is* useful for many people16:17
djsiegel1"how can I encrypt my files if I can't seed my random number generator with the date? I use a tiling window manager to I can't mouse over to the date applet"16:18
mat_tquestion is, how many16:18
djsiegel1I am sure it's useful for all16:18
djsiegel1but does it belong in the panel?16:18
djsiegel1when it's available in a toolip and on click16:18
beunoit has to be an argument for un-cluttering the UI16:18
mat_tyeah, I'd keep the panel simple, too16:18
djsiegel1ok, will papercut it16:18
mac_vdjsiegel1: if you just keep the default as *time only* and , the users can choose if they want to add the date/weather , then there wont be a problem , its only if the date feature is removed as a whole there might be a problem16:25
djsiegel1mac_v mat_t beuno https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/40643816:34
beunodjsiegel1, great16:35
beunomaybe "also affects: the clock applet"16:36
beunodon't know what package that is in16:36
djsiegel1would be good to show the day and date at GDM16:40
djsiegel1so you can see it before you log in16:40
djsiegel1but you should not have to look at it all day16:40
ScottKdjsiegel1: Don't assume people log in every day.16:43
djsiegel1right16:43
beunoI don't16:50
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MDC2is this a good place to ask gui related issues?19:59
MDC2http://www.mejlamej.nu/greyminimized.png - the minimized windows is grey instead of black and inside brackets. Comments?21:19
mac_vMDC2: nice visual hint , but doing it the other way around is better i suppose...21:30
mac_vah... scratch that... 21:30
MDC2mac_v, :-)21:31
MDC2mac_v, better than brackets?21:31
mac_vMDC2: I like the ideal you are going for, but greying it out doesnt seems right21:31
mac_vseem*21:32
MDC2mac_v, atm the icon is greyed out, I thought it could be good if the text look the same.. have any other idea?21:33
mac_vWHy not bold/italicize the window list for minimized ones , and use regular font for the open windows?21:33
MDC2from http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91655 - they don't won't italic because it's hard to read..21:34
mac_vgreying it out makes it harder to read, and different themes use different panel shades , so grey is not optimal21:34
MDC2I'm not sure how to visualize minimized/rolled up/maxmimzed..21:34
MDC2yep, but brackets isn't good either..21:35
mac_vyup ...... i'm going through the bugzilla link to see if there are any better ideas21:36
MDC2:-)21:36
mac_vMDC2: can the minimized windows buttons be done differently? thicker border ? 21:42
mac_vor something of the sort?21:42
MDC2mac_v, i'll check the code if its an easy change21:43
MDC2mac_v, seems I can use any of these styles; http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-Standard-Enumerations.html#GtkReliefStyle21:44
MDC2so, no :-)21:45
MDC2mac_v, or maybe just do them flat?21:45
mac_vhehe ... just what i was typing ;p21:46
MDC2rolled up?21:46
mac_vMDC2: make them flat with a border, should give the hint , rolled up is the same as minimized , the window get unmapped21:47
MDC2I'll hack something up..21:48
mac_vgreat... 21:48
mac_vMDC2: have the upstream devs accepted the toolbar editor?21:48
MDC2could be a problem later;21:49
MDC2 * Sets the relief type of the buttons in @tasklist to @relief. The main use of21:49
MDC2 * this function is proper integration of #WnckTasklist in panels with21:49
MDC2 * non-system backgrounds.21:49
MDC2mac_v, I'm still "working" on the toolbar editor - but I'm sucky at both c and gtk so things go slowly. I've got problem with the signals. Other than that I can move the buttons/widgets around and creating toolbars. Need to save some stuff to gconf and edit some popup menus and then send it in... 21:50
mac_vnice... 21:51
MDC2wanna help? :-)21:52
mac_vwhat else remains? maybe i could give it a shot... 21:53
MDC2well, first of all I'm not sure I've done things correctly. I've removed the singleton widgets (location, search bar, navigation bar) and creates them inside there resp action instead - is that the right approch?21:54
MDC2you could also help with setting up a git repo so more people can look at it :-)21:55
mac_vrepo stuff I'm not familiar with... 21:55
MDC2want a diff?21:56
MDC2:-)21:56
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mac_vhave you discussed with upstream the way you have done? removing the widgets?21:57
MDC2seems like everyone's at vacation or something - they are hard to get in touch with...21:57
MDC2so I thought I complete it this path and change it when I get feedback21:58
* mac_v hopes upstream accepts what MDC2 has done22:05
MDC2haha, they definitly wont - but I can change the code :)22:05
MDC2compiling flat minimized windows now.. will be interesting..22:06
MDC2hmm.. well.. flat is .. flat. It really needs a border as you said.. :-)22:07
MDC2mac_v, just flat with no border looks like this : http://www.mejlamej.nu/flat2.png22:10
mac_vhehe... needs a border22:10
MDC2is there an easier way to set a border then to put it in a black container and set a border width to 1px?22:16
MDC2mac_v, it probably wont have rounded border then.... 22:17
MDC2i'll see what upstream says. I'll have to do some nautilus (non-toolbar) hacking. If you'd like you could use my screenshot and do some mockup of a thin border..22:18
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