=== asac__ is now known as asac === rickspencer3 is now known as rickspencer3-afk [02:27] Nightrose: let me see if we can get some grease on that squeeky wheel [04:41] How many simultaneous pbuilder sessions does it take to totally crush my laptop? 3. [04:42] heh, that was the same for my main laptop [04:42] * ScottK is trying to get R fixed up for Karmic. [04:43] jeesh...every website I sign up to, I must put in my dang birthday...117 emails wishing me a happy birthday [04:43] silly UTC webservers [04:44] ScottK: heh, I am meeting with Dirk in the next week or so to do some cycling, enjoy a frosty beverage, and share some GPG keys again [04:44] nixternal: Cool. Please ask him to look over our package versions and see if I missed anything important. [04:45] nixternal: He was at the last UDS and gave a great presentation. I met him there. [04:45] oh, he is keeping an eye on it, don't worry :) [04:45] he lives about 15 miles from me, so we meet up whenever we can [04:45] now that we have Christoph Lameter, another Kernel haxor and DD, we tend to try and meet up more often === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [09:05] JontheEchidna: hi! re: the %n bugs we were discussing last night, I've tried to collect them all and reported it as bug 406221. I also contacted the Spanish guys to correct them. All translations come from the same translator, and I'm not sure whether he explicitly made the mistake. As all of those are #, kde-format strings, I think perhaps something similar to this -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2009-July/002604.html lead to [09:05] the bug. [09:05] Launchpad bug 406221 in ubuntu-translations "Translations of variable names need to be corrected in Spanish Kubuntu apps" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406221 [09:33] vorian: thx :) [09:33] Tonio_: ping === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Translations Love Day | Alpha-3 released | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts [09:49] well, first translations problem, install a language and it only installs the gnome language packs :( [09:50] ArneGoetje: ^ [09:54] same on both qt- and gnome-language-selector [09:55] LangCache.py: ("kdelibs-data", "language-pack-kde-"), [09:55] that's why, needs updating for KDE 4 [09:57] dpm: known issue, I'm currently rebuilding language packs [09:57] Riddell: re: bug 378075 I've talked to mvo and he's having a look at it [09:57] Launchpad bug 378075 in ddtp-ubuntu "Typos in package summaries" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/378075 [09:59] Riddell: which packages need to be installed in addition to langauge-pack-kde- for every KDE user? And which ones are optional translations, depending on a specific base package to be installed? [09:59] There might be some work to be done than simply uploading the corrected translations -> " dpm: I'm not sure about this particular problem now, it seems that it crashes the apt-xapian-index, so maybe that needs a additional fix. depends on if it accesses the transltions through (python-)apt or directly" [10:02] ArneGoetje: needs to be installed for what? [10:02] dpm: good luck to him :) [10:02] Riddell: for complete translations [10:04] I didn't experience the problem with the kde language packs though (they are installed and now have been upgraded to the karmic ones), probably because in my Kubuntu Karmic I installed them before the Karmic ones were uploaded. [10:06] dpm: the dependencies in the debian/control files are broken. That's why I'm rebuilding the packages. [10:07] right [10:08] ArneGoetje: should be just the language packs, but there's a problem [10:08] ArneGoetje: the language-pack-xx-base packages don't contain /usr/share/locale-langpack/xx/entry.desktop [10:09] in karmic [10:09] which means KDE won't use them [10:09] Riddell: in which source packages are these entry.desktop files? [10:10] ArneGoetje: well they come from kde-l10n-xx and should end up in language-pack-kde-xx-base [10:11] I don't know how that works, pitti set it up originally and it always just has [10:14] Riddell: are those the the desktop_kde-l10n-$LANG.pot templates in the kde-l10n-$LANG packages? [10:16] I've just asked pitti to com here for a second, maybe he can tell us more [10:17] Riddell: is it necessary to install the kde-l10n-$LANG packages in addition to the language-pack-kde- ones? [10:19] ArneGoetje: good point, you need kde-l10n-xx for documentation and some other bits (translated sounds for some edu apps etc) [10:19] ArneGoetje: no desktop_kde-l10n-xx are a bug I need to get rid of [10:20] Riddell: ok. [10:20] ArneGoetje: entry.desktop do come from kde-l10n-xx though [10:20] Riddell: so, if we install kde-l10n-xx as a dependency of language-pack-kde-xx through language-selector, this problem should be solved, right? [10:21] hello [10:21] cor, it's pitti, nice holiday? [10:21] Riddell: yes, it was indeed! http://martinpitt.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/back-from-mini-vacation-and-climbing/ [10:22] pitti: entry.desktop files have disappeared from language-pack-kde-xx-base in karmic, do you know where they might have gone to? [10:22] pitti: how were they added in the past? [10:22] uh, no [10:23] they were added manually to extra-files/*.tar [10:23] $ tar tf extra-files/kde-de.tar [10:23] usr/share/locale-langpack/de/ [10:23] usr/share/locale-langpack/de/entry.desktop [10:23] seems they are still there at least in langpack-o-matic [10:24] pitti: so, they should be in the extra.tar tarball... and the extra.tar tarballs are present in the langauge-packs [10:24] ArneGoetje: yes, they get merged into *-base [10:24] pitti: I'll check that once the current langpack-o-matic run is finished [10:25] thanks [10:26] perhaps some code change inadvertedly broke it, but the code is still there in "import" and unchanged since ages [10:29] ok, guys, I need to pick up my son from kindergarten... will be back later. [10:32] RIddell, pitti: if we add kde-l10n-xx as a dependency to the language-pack-kde-xx ones, the entry.desktop files should also be installed, right? [10:33] ArneGoetje: if they ship it, sure [10:33] I don't know whether that would be desired [10:34] ArneGoetje: we don't want that, for CDs at least we want to be able to ship language packs without the docs [10:35] pitti: seems like a good time to update those kde-xx.tar in langpack-o-matic [10:35] ArneGoetje: there is a script extra-files/update-kde-tars which should do that [10:36] pitti: will do that later [10:37] * ArneGoetje is off, bbl === Guest77821 is now known as NCommander === NCommander is now known as Guest33254 [10:43] update-kde-tars only creates new language-pack-kde-xx, I mean I should grab the latest entry.desktop from kde-l10n-xx which have some updated translations [10:44] RIddell: I haven't used the script in ages, but I thought you just could wipe extra-files/kde* and run it === Guest33254 is now known as NCommander === NCommander is now known as Guest82317 === Guest82317 is now known as NCommander [10:46] pitti: no it's just creates new ones where they don't already exist, so that we can have langpacks that KDE doesn't [10:46] ah, I see [10:47] the new entry.desktop files don't contain any translations === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [12:11] ArneGoetje: I updated the update-kde-tars script and pushed to lp:~jr/langpack-o-matic/kde-tars please merge [12:15] would this be why the entry.desktop files are missing? "raise Exception, 'Not yet implemented: tarball merging (locale+extra.tar)'" === jr is now known as Riddell === jr is now known as Riddell [13:08] so working around being unable to install and being unable to select languages, most things seem to be translated [13:08] sounds like a good start :) [13:09] there's a few apps which aren't, s-c-p-k, kpackagekit, some strings in system settings, kickoff and ironically qt-language-selector [13:09] I'll look into those [13:10] infact the whole of plasma isn't [13:11] dpm: where's the long wiki list of templates you've been editing recently? [13:11] Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KdeKarmicModules [13:12] there seems to be a template in LP for s-c-p-k at least [13:13] which package do the untranslated strings in system settings come from? [13:16] dpm: systemsettings.po [13:16] "Overview" and "Help" [13:16] let me see what we generate [13:17] yep the systemsettings.pot from kdebase-workspace contains those strings [13:18] and the kde language packs contain them too [13:18] dpm: any idea how they'd get lost? [13:19] Riddell: no idea, the only thing I can think of is that they would actually come from another package or lib [13:19] s/would/could [13:20] dpm: well do you know if they exist in launchpad? [13:20] let me have a look === bdefreese2 is now known as bddebian [13:21] Riddell: by a quick search, they don't seem to be there -> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdebase-workspace/+pots/systemsettings/ca/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=overview [13:22] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdebase-workspace/+pots/systemsettings/ca/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Overview [13:23] I meant https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kdebase-workspace/+pots/systemsettings/ca/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=Help [13:26] dpm: looks like those strings are new since jaunty [13:26] dpm: but launchpad should have imported the new string surely? [13:27] who can we drag in here from launchpad to find out why those new strings havn't been imported? [13:28] Riddell: unfortunately no one, henning and danilo are on holiday and jtv is not around today [13:28] fooey [13:28] but let me see what I can find out [13:29] system-config-printer-kde is a programming issue, it's not loading the right catalogue, I can look into that [13:29] can you paste the generated systemsettings.pot somewhere? It'll save me building the package [13:30] I can then download the template from LP and compare them [13:33] dpm: people.canonical.com/~jr/tmp/systemsettings.pot [13:33] thanks [13:35] Riddell: http://people.canonical.com/~jr/tmp/systemsettings.pot returns 404 (I've tried p.u.c as well, with the same result) [13:36] dpm: ~jriddell [13:36] sometimes I forget who I am [13:36] :-) === sabdfl1 is now known as sabdfl [13:38] the spamers certainly sem to think you are jr@ubuntu.c based on the amount i get from "you" [13:41] that's weird, there's no such address [13:41] yeah [13:45] how goes translations love day? [13:46] dpm: cool [13:48] JontheEchidna: it's all broken. but it should all get fixed [13:51] JontheEchidna: well, I think Riddell summarised it quite well ;) [13:56] Where does Computer>Run Command... come from (which app or source pkg)? It's also untranslated on my system [13:58] dpm: kickoff, part of plasma from kdebase-workspace I think. but the whole of plasma (the desktop) is untranslated for me [13:59] hum, is translation templates being generated at all? [14:00] erk, seems debian-qt-kde.mk doesn't actuall generate translation templates [14:00] that would explain why rosetta is behind in its strings [14:00] and why plasma is untranslated, that's a new translation domain it's using [14:00] Riddell: oh, so will this affect a whole load of packages? [14:00] yeah, lots of them [14:01] that might be the problem with systemsettings as well [14:01] right, it will be [14:01] dpm: damn good thing we did the translations love day, we're not short of things to fix! [14:01] :) [14:01] At least we didn't find this out half a week before release :P [14:02] new plasma-widget-networkmanagement in https://edge.launchpad.net/~jr/+archive/ppa please test! [14:03] it's a binary now "knetworkmanager" [14:03] * Riddell pokes JontheEchidna into testing [14:04] * JontheEchidna giggles like the Pillsbury Dough Boy [14:04] Riddell: oh, is that the same package from yesterday? I built it locally [14:05] seems to work fine for my usecase of a wired DHCP connection [14:05] yes it is [14:05] JontheEchidna: any encryption on that? [14:05] I don't believe you can encrypt wired connections [14:05] we had a wiki testing page somewhere for this sort of thing [14:05] oh wired, didn't read right [14:06] yeah, it's a bit boring, but almost always works [14:06] btw, I've been seeing multiple langpack bugs for different languages in the vein of bug 406146 [14:06] Launchpad bug 406146 in language-pack-kde-ru-base "package language-pack-kde-ru-base 1:9.10+20090725 failed to install/upgrade: попытка перезаписать /usr/share/locale-langpack/ru/LC_MESSAGES/crashesplugin.mo, который уже имеется в пакете language-pack-ru-base" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406146 [14:07] * dpm looks at it [14:14] ArneGoetje: I've commented on the bug, do you think that's a problem with langpack-o-matic? [14:14] ArneGoetje: ^ [14:17] Does anyone know what the current situation with Arora's translations is? I'm not concerned about getting them imported into Launchpad, but rather about knowing whether the application is translatable [14:18] I was too quick in asking, I've just found it -> http://code.google.com/p/arora/wiki/Translating [14:26] dpm: it's translatable but there's an issue where it's not clever at working out what translation to use so if you use de_AT it won't fall back to de_DE [14:26] and I don't think it picks up the KDE locale, only the system one [14:28] Riddell: I'm looking at it now, it is not using the Catalan translation, either (system locale ca_ES.UTF-8) [14:31] so I'm guessing it might be the same problem. My locale is ca_ES and the source translation was created as ca.ts [14:32] I'm surprised at how bad Qt is with translations really [14:34] would Quassel have the same issues? (thinking of Qt only apps) [14:34] I suppose I should go install langpacks and help test stuff [14:37] JontheEchidna: I do not know much about qt's translation technology other than people's comment's along the lines of "it's a pain". I've used Qt linguist to translate some apps, though. Quassel is partially translated on my system, but I don't think this is a problem qith qt, rather because of a non-finished translation (I don not know the quassel release schedule) [14:39] quassel also seems to use Qt translations which are in /usr/share/kde4/apps/quassel/translations [14:39] I don't see one for es though so I don't know how dpm gets it translated [14:41] I'm using Catalan (language code 'ca', 'ca_ES', 'ca_FR', 'ca_IT' or 'ca_AD' - we're everywhere!) [14:42] but the quassel_ca.ts translation is also missing, so th translations I see probably come from somewhere else [14:44] Only the menus are (partially) translated, so I guess that translations are from generic kde or qt menu names or actions [14:46] right [14:48] so then translation support would also be a big plus for konversation [14:50] wow, an l10n bug that's actually an upstream bug: bug 370582 [14:50] Launchpad bug 370582 in kde-l10n-ptbr "Invalid symbolic links" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/370582 [14:51] JontheEchidna: well, I'm guessing that being a KDE app (or is it extragear atm?) Konversation will have been translated into more languages and using gettext the translation process will be easier (there are more tools available and it can be imported into Launchpad), but in fact quassel is also translatable (only that it has less languages and uses qt, which is not as widely used as gettext and doesn't have the advantages mentioned before) [14:52] dpm: Right, it's in extragear and gets official translation support from KDE [14:53] yeah, I knew that Quassel was also translatable, but the current state seems a bit lacking [14:53] Qt translations in LP would be nice [14:53] bug 376686 might also have come from upstream, but I haven't found out yet [14:53] Launchpad bug 376686 in language-pack-kde-eu "Errors in KDE4 basque translation - Cyrillic characters and wrong names" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/376686 [14:55] JontheEchidna: my e-mail is broken today, could you e-mail kubuntu-devel asking for testing and pointing to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/PlasmaWidgetNetworkManager/0.0%2Bsvn1002781-0ubuntu1%7Eppa1 [14:55] right, let's work out what's the crack with debian-qt-kde.mk not generating templates [14:55] Riddell: sure [14:56] This search has a few good ones: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=kde-l10n [14:56] as would searching for kde-i18n, I would assume [14:56] Riddell: OT clarification re: oxygen icons in proprietary software - if the application embeds the icon so the user can't replace it (as e.g. .NET likes to do) doesn't that violate the LGPL? [14:57] Riddell: just to confirm I've compared "your" and Rosetta's systemsettings.pot template and are completely different, so if the package is using debian-qt-kde.mk, that might indeed be the problem [15:00] yuriy: my reading of the LGPL 3 section 4 is that is allowed [15:01] see the definition of “Minimal Corresponding Source” [15:03] Riddell: sent, should be out to the list momentarily [15:05] No, I'm here, but consulted with my documents :) If it is for me... [15:05] yurchor: ? [15:06] Riddell: there's a user in #kubuntu qho want's to talk to a dev about "the ppor state of vpn in Kubuntu" [15:06] poor, my typo [15:06] Riddell: but "in a form suitable for the user to recombine or relink the application with a modified version" [15:07] Oh, sorry. I just asked in KDE list three weeks ago is KDE licensing for translations allows BSD license translations from Rosetta& [15:11] yurchor: yes it does (although licencing of translations is always a bit murky) [15:13] yuriy: well hmm, it's confusing my head now somewhat [15:14] yuriy: how can you re-link an application anyway? [15:15] hi jtv :) [15:15] hi dpm :) [15:15] hello jtv [15:15] jtv can help us if anyone has got questions on Rosetta [15:16] hmm.. better translations in konversation is a pretty attractive feature over quassel [15:17] I'm using konversation in japanese now [15:17] hi jtv. Can you answer some questions about Ukrainian translation of KDE in Rosetta? [15:17] yurchor: we'll see. :) [15:17] Go ahead? [15:17] dpm: My apologies for not helping out with publicizing this effort. I had intended to, but $WORK got overwhelming. Thanks for doing it. [15:18] ScottK, no worries, thanks for letting me know [15:19] I realise people are busy, that's why I didn't insist [15:19] well, I poked Riddell a bit, though :) [15:19] jtv: As I can see from my side Ukrainian is 100%. Why Karmic translation lacks so many translations? [15:20] yurchor: what is your side exactly? [15:20] yurchor: seems like we have a problem where new translations havn't been generated for karmic [15:20] so a lot of strings will be missing [15:21] dpm: Sput and EgS are Quassel upstream and are generally here, so you can ask them Quasell translation questions directly. [15:21] jtv: I am Ukrainian upstream translator. [15:22] yurchor: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel. I'm glad you're here to help us try to fix this. [15:22] Riddell: As I see that is old (non 4.3) translation for now, right? [15:22] yurchor: yeah anything new in 4.3 will be missing [15:23] yurchor: that's _probably_ not related to Rosetta (though of course it may turn out to be), but one of how packages are handled. [15:23] s/one/a question/ [15:24] yurchor: as Riddell and jtv mention, this is probably related to a packaging problem we've just detected today -> quite a few POT templates might have not been updated. That's one of the reasons we're here today, to detect and fix those issues [15:25] and yes, those particular ones are for Karmic - KDE 4.3 [15:25] NCommander: Now what's the plan for qt4-x11 on armel? [15:25] (although I don't know whether this affects older versions as well) [15:27] this problem didn't affect jaunty [15:27] jtv: Well, about Rosetta. I can see every for KDE files every morning (numbers change). [15:27] jtv: Watch people translate some things. Click on nicks but only see 1-3 messages translated. Is this intended? [15:28] yurchor: ah! [15:28] yurchor: there are several things that can cause that: [15:29] 1. Replication lag. At this scale, we have to use multiple database servers. One is the master, the others are slaves. [15:29] When you request a page, normally you talk to a slave which is a read-only copy of the master. [15:29] When you make changes, you are temporarily switched to the master. [15:30] Now if _somebody else_ translates something, they will see the change immediately, but you may be talking to a slave that sees a slightly older copy of the database. [15:30] Shouldn't be more than a few seconds or minutes though, barring exceptional cases. [15:30] 2. Message sharing and statistics. [15:31] Jaunty and Karmic share their translations. So if someone translates a string in Jaunty, most of the statistics for Jaunty are updated immediately—but not the Karmic ones. We have a bug open for this; we must be careful not to start spending all our time updating stats. :) [15:31] Riddell: Can I ask about KOffice in Jaunty? What is the number of last version? [15:32] 3. Some statistics at the higher aggregation levels are not computed instantly, for the same reason. [15:32] So it's possible that the statistics will lag by a day. [15:33] jtv: Thanks. That's what I want to know. [15:34] * jtv shuts up :) [15:34] yurchor: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice and https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/koffice2 [15:34] ScottK, its the *$#@! lzma issue again [15:34] ScottK, we're replacing the build hardware soon, which should help resolve it [15:35] * NCommander knocks on wood [15:35] Riddell: ^^^ I guess my vote is drop lzma on armel for now. [15:35] apachelogger: ^^ [15:35] jtv: Oh, sorry. But I have so many questions... [15:36] NCommander: If we upload qt4-x11 todayish, then it ought to get built before we push 4.3.0. [15:36] ScottK: that's what I'd suggest too [15:36] yurchor: regarding the question on translations licensing, you can find more information here -> https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/LicensingFAQ (I apologise for not having answered that one when you asked in the kde-i18n-doc list) [15:37] yurchor: no worries, as long as it fits this meeting, I'll try to answer. If it doesn't, we can take it to another channel. [15:37] Riddell: Thus, all those translation in Jaunty (Kspread et al) are from KOffice 1? [15:38] ScottK, there's no promise its not going to FTBSF again [15:38] I rather fix the underlying cause, but that's my 2c [15:38] NCommander: Well I'd settle for getting to build at least once in the meantime. [15:39] dpm: Yes. That was my first stop. But is it legaly make BSD->GPL->BSD transition? [15:39] ScottK, well, the build of the timeout resolved the actual compilation issue, so dropping lzma compression in theory should work [15:39] Hello you need any more help with the Love? [15:40] Riddell: Do you know the knobs to turn to make lzma go away for armel? [15:40] * ScottK hasn't looked into it. [15:40] i can translate enlgish to swedish if needed [15:41] ScottK: it's just a variable in the debian/rules I think, it just needs the weird syntax for if (arch!=arm) working out [15:42] bittin: what are you running as a distro? [15:43] Riddell: Debian at the moment [15:43] but my grand parents is using Kubuntu [15:43] yurchor: I'm not sure about this one, I'm not an expert in licensing. If the question is not answered in the link I sent you, may I ask you to come to the #launchpad channel and ask there? [15:44] The new kcm-gtk config module could use some love, if anyone's up to translating: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/kcm-gtk/ [15:44] (I'm upstream, so just run any l10n bugs by me) [15:45] yurchor: anything added through rosetta is BSD, but KDE translations generally follow the licence of the apps they come from which is usually GPL so the combined result will be GPL [15:45] iam up for it should just remember my launchpad password [15:45] JontheEchidna: cool, expect some Catalan translations flowing in soon. I'll also let Ubuntu translators know about this. [15:47] are there any Launchpad admins here? [15:47] jtv: the list of priority translation domains to appear the the top of the translation list (https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+lang/sco) is still woefully out of date, how do we fix that? [15:47] as i dont remember what email iam registred with [15:47] jtv: One more question: can Rosetta administration somehow make the number of administrators in some teams (at least Ukrainian) reasonable? Because now I think that the rule: "I am user, so I am administrator" is somehow redundant... [15:47] dpm: great, it's accessible via system settings, in the appearance section [15:47] bittin: maybe you can search for yourself on launchpad.net/people ? [15:47] Riddell: any member of the utc team can edit those templates to change the priorities. [15:47] Riddell: yes thx =) [15:48] jtv: utc? [15:48] Email: Log in for email information. [15:48] :( [15:48] bittin: what's the username? [15:48] bittin [15:48] Riddell: we (the Ubuntu people) are planning to do that (reorganising the priority of templates), but we haven't started yet UTC = ubuntu-translations-coordinators team [15:48] yurchor: that's a typical "growing pain" in the life of a translation team... I hope we're getting away from people joining the teams just because they (want to) translate. But this is ultimately a matter of organization in the Ubuntu translation community. I don't see a technical fix. [15:48] Riddell: Ubuntu Translations Coordinator [15:49] Riddell: the owners of the Ubuntu translation group. [15:49] bittin: "EMail: No public address provided" but I sent you a test e-mail through the launchpad contact page [15:50] ok [15:50] dpm: can we start on that today? it's pretty important, rosetta is currently telling people to translate non-existant KDE 3 bits [15:51] i think its on a mail account i dont use anymore [15:51] that are gone tough :( [15:51] can i do a new launchpad account and some moves over my old stuff [15:51] and deletes it [15:52] bittin: I think that's possible, you'd need to ask on #launchpad [15:52] ok [15:52] will do that [15:52] dpm: if you could get the word out, https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/plasma-widget-quickaccess/+pots/plasma-applet-quickaccess is also a third-party applet with no official KDE support, so getting good Ubuntu translations would be super [15:52] JontheEchidna: Some time ago I've send David Sansome Ukrainian translation for this gtk-qt kcm. Can it be imported from SVN? [15:52] bittin: Yes, https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/826/+login [15:53] yurchor: aah, good point. I have changed some of the strings from what they were in gtk-qt, but a lot of them should be unchanged [15:54] yurchor: I don't know how to do that, though, so any help would be great [15:54] I suppose I should start shipping the template with the source now [15:55] Riddell: we're talking of two different things here 1) reorganising the priority of templates (it will take some time, but we can change the priority of some of them straight away, if necessary) 2) Disabling obsolete KDE templates - I'd like to do this straight away whenever I see one, that's why the wiki page with the templates is for. Which particular KDE 3 apps have you see which might need disabling in Rosetta? [15:56] dpm_: kdesktop and kicker are the obvious ones [15:56] did a new launchpad account as bittin1 [15:56] and merged it [15:56] yurchor: would the best solution to be to load up the template in lokalize or something and then copy/paste translations? [15:57] JontheEchidna: the .pot template gets magically generated during build [15:57] Riddell: ah, right. Messages.sh [15:57] JontheEchidna: you should be able to do some clever merge with the old gtk-qt-engine translation files to get the strings that are still valid though [15:57] maybe dpm_ knows how [15:58] iam translating atm =) [15:59] JontheEchidna: they are there: http://gtk-qt-engine.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/gtk-qt-engine/po/ For merging I prefer msmerge-based scripts [16:00] * Riddell considers deleting /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk and wonders how to find all the packages using it [16:01] yurchor: thanks [16:03] something more i can translate to swedish? [16:03] bittin: did you do plasma-applet-quickaccess? JontheEchidna was asking for that too [16:03] nope [16:04] i missed that link [16:04] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/plasma-widget-quickaccess/+pots/plasma-applet-quickaccess/sv/+translate [16:04] will do it now [16:04] Riddell: ok, kicker and kdesktop disabled from Jaunty translations (they had already been disabled from karmic). They should no longer appear as translatable nor be exported in language packs. [16:04] The reason they were still there is because we've started working on the list of templates to disable/rename/move for Karmic -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KdeKarmicModules#TODO%20items [16:04] There is the same list for Jaunty https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KdeJauntyModules, but as I say we started with Karmic first [16:04] That's what we've been talking for the last weeks in kubuntu-devel@ [16:04] JontheEchidna: I can translate the rest of the strings (not that much anyway), but I don't like Rosetta. Can you announce the release in kde-i18n-doc? [16:05] yurchor: sure, I'll msmerge the po's, do another point release, then announce [16:05] perhaps this tool should go upstream eventually [16:05] maybe extragear at least [16:06] JontheEchidna: if you then make the announcement, send it to ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com as well once strings are frozen [16:07] but as I said, I can also tell translators now [16:07] I think I could freeze strings now, now that I have that QtCurve notification in [16:07] JontheEchidna: Great, it will be nice to see it in SVN (or git) ;) [16:07] done some more on plasma-widget-quickaccess now [16:08] can you spam me with things that needs swedish in Kubuntu === jr is now known as Riddell [16:08] yurchor: a shame that gtk-qt-engine isn't maintained anymore :( But at least the config module lives on [16:09] nice @ arora using the kde file dialog [16:09] One more question: this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KdeKarmicModules announces some pots as "Not present upstream". I think there are some mistakes in this definition, right? [16:10] I mean that all those are playground applications which definitely have an upstream translations. [16:11] yurchor: these are the templates we need to fix. They are stale templates probably left from the transition from KDE 3 to KDE 4. What that means is that those templates are in Launchpad, but the upstream kde4 tree does no longer have them, so we have to remove them from Launchpad [16:12] dpm_: Upstream has them (at least in translation sense). That is a mistake. [16:14] yurchor: what do you think of a new note along the lines of "Not present in upstream's SVN for KDE4.3"? any other suggestions welcome [16:17] dpm_: Karmic has kdelibs4 (KDE3). That implies you want to support KDE 3. So removing or ignoring upstream translation will be unreasonable. On the other hand, I can run e.g. kpovmodeller on Mandriva KDE 4. This list have to be revised to not mislead the translators. [16:18] Riddell: Any objection to usb-creator-kde on the CD? [16:19] dpm_: In KDE 4.3 you cannot find many extragear or playground applications, but the can be cmopiled and used with translations from upstream. [16:20] ScottK: ooh is it working? [16:21] Riddell: I haven't tried it myself, but I assume so. [16:21] rgreening: It's working, right? [16:21] ScottK: yep [16:22] of course, I programmed it :) [16:22] it's not going to be on the ubuntu desktop CD for space reasons so we might need to check docs or whatever are in order [16:22] * rgreening ducks [16:22] it's small [16:22] right, we want it on [16:23] It needs testing. HAL has some bugs. Translations should b e checked to see if they work or if the code needs tweaking to use the po's from the gtk ver [16:23] but it works... [16:24] we've already had some fixes come it and added [16:26] Riddell: evand is going to put it and the windows one on the netbook image outside the squashfs, so we don't need to seed it directly for netbook. [16:27] yay :P === jr is now known as Riddell [16:29] yurchor: the packages in that list are no longer in our main repository, which means that they will not be translatable in Launchpad. Disabling their translations in Launchpad will simply mean that they will be shipped with 1:1 upstream translations, the only difference will be that Ubuntu translators will not be able to translate them through Launchpad. Only those packages present in 'main' and 'restricted' are offered for translation in Launchpad f [16:29] or K/Ubuntu [16:30] who knows Make/bash? why doesn't this work? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/makefile [16:30] we're not removing upstream translations when disabling templates from Launchpad [16:32] dpm_: not removing but, I think, not updating, right? [16:33] yurchor: what do you mean, not updating? [16:34] i have translated a little bunch now [16:34] for karmic [16:35] bittin: Thank you. [16:35] What's the package name for our network widget thing now? [16:36] ScottK: plasma-widget-networkmanagement and the binary is knetworkmanager (if installing from ~jr PPA) [16:37] dpm_: For example, let xxx package was in KDE 3, but not completely translated. Now it's in KDE 4 playground (or maybe extragear) fully translated, but not in Rosetta. That's what I mean. [16:37] Riddell: Is it in Universe on purpose? [16:37] now iam pretty much done with what i founded =) [16:38] plasma-widget-networkmanagement | 0.1~svn980510-0ubuntu1 | karmic/universe | source, amd64, i386 [16:39] ScottK: no, shouldn't be [16:39] Riddell: OK. 'tis. [16:41] dpm_: As an example, kaudiocreator. [16:41] yurchor: oh, I understand what you mean now. Well, it depends: if the KDE4 package is in playground and in our 'main' repository, it will be in Rosetta. The important thing is that it is in main, it doesn't matter where the upstream location is [16:42] NCommander: Would you please rescore r-base. Getting it built sooner rather than later will avoid some other failures. [16:43] yurchor: in the particular case of kaudiocreator, I put it in the list of packages to investigate, rather than to disable (I'm just going through that list) -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KdeKarmicModules#TODO%20items [16:46] ScottK, done [16:46] NCommander: Thanks. [16:48] dpm_: well, how about _qt packages (there's also kcachgrind_qt in kdesdk)? They are all in Mandriva packages and default KDE packages. [16:48] dpm_: kcachegrind_qt, sorry === dpm_ is now known as dpm [16:52] yurchor: what's the exact problem with the _qt packages? (sorry, I do not follow KDE development very closely, that's why I ask) [16:53] Riddell: about the update-kde-tars script for langpack-o-matic... where does the kde-zhhk.tar come from? [16:54] dpm: It is not a problem. All this packages comes from the programs which can be compiled without KDE. Maybe it is worth to keep the separated? [16:55] ArneGoetje: from kde-l10n-zhhk, I wasn't sure where put it [16:55] and I presume we don't have language packs for that, so I just left it there to remind us incase one day we did [16:55] dpm: "them separated", sorry [16:56] Riddell: ok... zhhk should go into zh-hant [16:56] ArneGoetje: let me do that then [16:56] yurchor: we don't compile kcachegrind-qt so it's not really an issue for us [16:57] kcm-gtk all msgmerge'd, testbuilding [16:58] Riddell: did you still update kde-zh.tar ? [16:58] yurchor: maybe you can help me with a question I've got -> why are the desktop_.po files in the stable branch but not in the tagged branches? I.e. I can see the desktop file at http://websvn.kde.org/branches/stable/l10n-kde4/ca/messages/kdeadmin/, but not at http://websvn.kde.org/tags/KDE/4.2.98/kde-l10n/ca/messages/kdeadmin/ [16:58] Riddell: Kcachegrind is not in Ubuntu repos, right? [16:59] ArneGoetje: was about to ask what's in language-pack-kde-zh now? [17:00] ArneGoetje: it seems to just have overlapping files with zh-hans and zh-hant [17:00] Riddell: for karmic, this will be a dummy package (not uploaded yet), which depends on the zh-hans and zh-hant packages [17:00] dpm: all desktop_ files are just for merging by scripty (KDE script) with .desktop files. As such .mo from them are useless. [17:00] ArneGoetje: ok so I can just rm kde-zh.tar [17:01] Riddell: kde-zh.tar is used for older releases up to Jaunty [17:01]