[00:00] <BluesKaj> Oh I thought it was just my version that din't have them
[00:00] <BUGabundo> since DanaG share his : http://files.getdropbox.com/u/112892/compiz11.profile
[00:01] <BluesKaj> hmm, think I'll boot into W7 and do some looking around
[00:01] <BUGabundo> WARNING: YOUR SYSTEM WILL AUTODESTROY AFTER 2 SECS WITH THIS COMPIZ PROFILE :P
[00:01] <BluesKaj> see you guys on the other side :)
[00:01] <duncan__> windows 7 is nice but I only am going to use it on my desktop
[00:01] <duncan__> server = debian or the next LTS from ubuntu, laptop= ubuntu, media center = arch linux
[00:02] <duncan__> I really like arch linux but the constant updates cause too many breaks for practical use
[00:02] <DanaG> I just have one system I actively use.
[00:02] <DanaG> And it's the one I'm on now.
[00:02] <duncan__> I only use my desktop for games and graphics really, I do all my work on my laptop
[00:02] <maxb> Gah. I wish people would stop breaking things
[00:03] <maxb> gnome-sound-properties has vanished and now there is nowhere to configure your sound theme
[00:04] <duncan__> for 9.10?
[00:05] <DanaG> Well, I do hate how now I can't have the gnome volume control bind to hda-intel directly.
[00:05] <BUGabundo> DanaG: +1
[00:05] <DanaG> Max is 0.00db, min is -89.1db.
[00:05] <DanaG> That's pretty absurd.
[00:06] <DanaG> s/db/dB/
[00:06] <DanaG> And where's gnome-volume-control?
[00:06] <duncan__> whoa, compiz is a bit out of date
[00:06] <duncan__> er compiz website
[00:06] <DanaG> 50% is -45dB.
[00:07] <DanaG> So, an entire half of the volume range is basically too quiet.
[00:07] <duncan__> i can open gnome-volume-control fine through command line, but that is in 9.04 ;)
[00:07] <BUGabundo> duncan__: maybe cause they are code hackers not web desiners?
[00:08] <duncan__> BUGabundo, just saying :P
[00:09] <SeveredCross> maxb: The replacement sound properties applet is horribly broken.
[00:15] <duncan__> hmm
[00:15] <duncan__> RSS in evolution is a bit iffy
[00:15] <DanaG> Oh yeah, where'd the disk mounter applet go?
[00:15] <BUGabundo> DanaG: I have it
[00:15] <DanaG> What's the package?
[00:15] <BUGabundo> hey mndo. bem bindo
[00:16] <BUGabundo> no idea DanaG :p
[00:16] <DanaG> !find disk-mounter
[00:16] <DanaG> !find disk-mount
[00:16]  * DanaG gives up.
[00:16] <duncan__> heh
[00:16] <DanaG> ... so as not to spam the channel.
[00:16] <duncan__> we don't mind ;)
[00:17] <mndo> BUGabundo, hi there!
[00:17] <yofel> DanaG: you *do* know that you can /msg ubottu? :P
[00:17] <BUGabundo> duncan__: but OPs do
[00:17] <duncan__> !find mountmanager
[00:17] <BUGabundo> and there's apt-cache search
[00:20] <BluesKaj> this Kvirc seems easier to use than i remember ...colourful too
[00:21] <duncan__> heh, that's amusing, AVG destroying iTunes
[00:21] <BluesKaj> duncan__:  the windows are a bit herky jerky on W7 build 7100
[00:21] <BUGabundo> duncan__: OT
[00:21] <duncan__> BluesKaj, weird I didn't notice it on my desktop
[00:22] <DanaG> Now, I wish I could fix the danged INITRAMFS!
[00:23] <alteregoa> yeah thats a nasty thingy inside your computer, its like a rat who is seeking for food
[00:23] <BluesKaj> duncan__:  interesting i had a  browser window on top of the chat  page, when you answered and your text showed up in a little dialog box  in bottom right hand corner
[00:24] <duncan__> BluesKaj, nice, IRC client feature?
[00:24] <BluesKaj> yeah, cool
[00:27] <BluesKaj> never been a mirc fan and xchat  has pukey colours that i'm too lazy to edit , but so far Kvirc seems to be the solution to my windows IRC Client
[00:27] <BUGabundo> I just use Pidgin
[00:27] <BUGabundo> no colors here AFAIK
[00:27] <BluesKaj> hehe, on wondows ?
[00:27] <duncan__> i've always used xchat I think i'm just used to the colors
[00:28] <duncan__> pidgin works fine on windows last time I checked
[00:28] <BluesKaj> really never did the IM thing much anyway
[00:29] <duncan__> msn and googletalk for me, on a side note, how is the pidgin replacement in 9.10?
[00:31] <billybigrigger> empathy is junk
[00:31]  * BUGabundo $ rsync -a /home/BUGabundo /dev/bed
[00:31] <billybigrigger> but soon it will support audio/video cat
[00:31] <mob> evening all
[00:31] <duncan__> i'm kind of curious why they are opting to get rid of pidgin as the default?
[00:32] <BUGabundo> lousy upstream support
[00:32] <BUGabundo> better intergration on gnome
[00:32] <duncan__> ah
[00:32] <BUGabundo> AV support
[00:32] <duncan__> all good reasons ;)
[00:34] <nhasian> duncan__, you should have seen the backlash from everyone like a month ago when they decided to switch to empathy.
[00:35] <nhasian> duncan__, since empathy wasnt yet ready for primetime, but should be ready by the time 9.10 is released
[00:36] <duncan__> nhasian, hehe I can imagine, alot of people like pidgin.  I've been out of the ubuntu scene for a while, was using Arch linux for a long time
[00:37] <duncan__> but I don't get backlash to things like that.  remove the packages and install which ever one you want :p
[00:37] <nhasian> duncan__, i hear Arch is pretty good but i havent tried it yet.  when i first tested empathy 2.27.2 it wouldnt even connect to yahoo or msn.  but it is very usable now in only a few weeks time
[00:37] <mob> quick question , .. is there an easy uninstall for karmik and reinstall to jaunty in case this blows up lol
[00:38] <nhasian> mob, nope
[00:38] <nhasian> mob, afaik you cannot downgrade any version of ubuntu
[00:38] <mob> so no sudo apt uninstall ;[
[00:39] <nhasian> mob as long as you have a separate /home partition then installing a new ubuntu is easy
[00:39] <duncan__> nhasian, arch is very good but it takes more time than I like to maintain, constant updates, etc... especially when using KDE4 and having a version upgrade every month with 600mb to download, I'm happy sitting back with ubuntu 9.04 with a upgraded kernel and some other configuration done
[00:40] <mob> k ty  sounding like not a good idea , but still want to see if it fixes my intel video issues
[00:41] <duncan__> mob why not just try upgrading your kernel inside of 9.04?
[00:41] <mob> ?
[00:41] <mob> noob here
[00:41] <duncan__> one moment
[00:41] <yofel> mob: you should be able to check that with the live cd/usb
[00:41] <nhasian> duncan__, arch doesnt even have a gui installed by default?  <faint>
[00:42] <duncan__> nhasian, nope, you get a base system and then install the packages you want
[00:42] <yofel> duncan__: that sounds somewhat like gentoo
[00:42] <nhasian> mob, yeah i hear karmic has a lot of improvements for intel graphics adaptors
[00:42] <duncan__> nhasian, arch is about as close as you can get to plain unpatched linux without having to compile from source
[00:43] <nhasian> mob, i have an nvidia adaptor so i cant take advantage of the new goodies for intel cards yet
[00:43] <mob> i got a dinosaure here 82830m gcc rev 4 ..8 meg i think
[00:43] <duncan__> yofel, aye the main difference between arch and gentoo is that gentoo is source based and arch is binary
[00:45] <mob> hard to add an adapter to a laptop lol
[00:45] <mob> if i could ...
[00:45] <duncan__> mob, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1161856  download the packages from here http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ and when you reboot it should load into the new kernel by default
[00:45] <nhasian> does that mean that everytime you install something on gentoo you have to compile it?
[00:45] <duncan__> nhasian, yes everything has to compile
[00:45] <mob> give it a shot
[00:46] <nhasian> what a waste of processing time
[00:46] <yofel> duncan__: mob for better intel performance you don't only need the new kernel
[00:46] <yofel> you also need new intel driver xserver mesa ...
[00:46] <mob> ill be back 4 that lol
[00:47] <duncan__> nhasian, that's why I used arch, as it's binary
[00:47] <duncan__> nhasian, same concept, no compiling necessary
[00:47] <yofel> mob: you could try new kernel with x-edgers ppa, but that's pretty unstable
[00:48] <duncan__> I had to upgrade my kernel as no kernel prior to 2.6.30 allows my laptop to work properly for bootup and sleep/hibernate
[00:50] <nhasian> i guess mob went to go install karmic
[00:50] <alteregoa> x-edgers?
[00:51] <duncan__> nhasian, I hope not as all he wants is fixed intel performance :p
[00:51] <yofel> alteregoa: https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa [use at own risk]
[00:52] <nhasian> i've been pretty happy with karmic so far  guess i've just been lucky
[00:52] <alteregoa> intel fixes those atom cpus thanks to those heads at intel atom cpu with 8w tdp but everything included vga/northbridge/sbridge/dualcore/ht
[00:53] <duncan__> alteregoa, what issues are you having with atoms?  my mediacenter which is atom based has been working fine for 5+ months
[00:54] <yofel> nhasian: mee too actually, eeePC works fine, thinkpad learned how to suspend without crashing, some tings are annoying but well, alpha
[00:54] <nhasian> yeah like my cdburner doesnt work yet... but hopefully after the brasero update it will work again
[00:54] <duncan__> yofel, what chipset was the thinkpad?
[00:55] <yofel> duncan__: lspci http://pastebin.com/f694b14fe
[00:56] <duncan__> yofel, did you also have issues with it booting and shutting down when on battery power?
[00:57] <yofel> duncan__: nope
[00:57] <alteregoa> i have issues with the chipsets
[00:57] <alteregoa> those chipsets consume itself 20w or up
[00:57] <duncan__> yofel, until the most recent kernel my notebook would die when trying to suspend or hibernate and would halt on shutdown and bootup unless I held down a key or had AC plugged in
[00:58] <duncan__> was incredible obnoxious
[00:59] <yofel> duncan__: well, until carmic suspend/hibernate crashed and on shutdown it would hang ~20s before poweroff thanks to the nvidia driver
[01:00] <yofel> that reminds me... there was another issue that sometimes when booting the kernel would permanently turn on the pcspkr -> wtf?
[01:00] <duncan__> yeah, kernel team has done a great job with .30 and .31 so far
[01:00] <duncan__> fixed alot of issues all at once
[01:06] <duncan__> yofel, http://pastebin.com/m5a7311d
[01:07] <duncan__> well apparently I pasted twice in there but you get the point ;)
[01:09] <yofel> duncan__: you could use pastebinit to prevent that :P
[01:10] <duncan__> :D
[01:14] <duncan__> hmm, is 9.10 going to include firefox 3.5.x
[01:14] <yofel> duncan__: it's already included, just not default, but will be for release
[01:14] <yofel> !info firefox-3.5 karmic
[01:15] <duncan__> that's good :) I tried the 3.5 package in 9.04 but integration was a bit messed up and extensions were broken
[01:15] <yofel> !info firefox-3.5 jaunty
[01:16] <yofel> ah, finally got updated... it was still the beta4 a while ago...
[01:16] <duncan__> yeah
[01:16] <duncan__> when I installed it, it was 3.5.1
[01:17] <duncan__> 3.5 is nice a speedy, and I like the private browsing option instead of having to wipe history
[01:18] <yofel> it sure is speedier here, but auto scrolling (middle click) is broken [uses a lot of cpu and scrolls slowly while lagging] and the deatchable tabs work sometimes get in my way
[01:19] <duncan__> hmm, I have always used manual middle mouse scrolling, so I haven't noticed that
[01:20] <duncan__> weird it would mess up that much
[01:20] <yofel> actually it's not always broken, scrolling up works most of the time only scrolling downwards lags like that ~2s and works fine after that
[01:21] <yofel> maybe I'm just too fast for firefox and he doesn't like scrolling while the page still gets loaded? :P
[01:21] <duncan__> wonder what is messed up in the code to cause that, especially since it is a regression
[01:21] <duncan__> haha
[01:21] <duncan__> maybe :p
[01:22] <duncan__> it's funny, when chrome first came out I really liked it but firefox 3.5 has adopted all the features I liked in chrome
[01:22] <duncan__> so i'll probably never touch chrome again
[01:24] <yofel> well, theres chromium for linux as well, but the only thing that I find better there are the detachable tabs, they work flawless in chromium while I sometimes need a few tries in ffx3.5
[01:24] <duncan__> yeah
[01:24] <yofel> hm wait, that seems fixed now
[01:25] <duncan__> I think it's because firefox is emulating what chrome does, as in chrome each tab is a seperate process
[01:26] <duncan__> but speaking of browsers, I really wish the KDE team would switch Konqueror over to webkit as when I was using kde4 khtml was massacring the webpages I visited
[01:26] <yofel> duncan__: yeah, that's a really neat feature of chromium IMHO, but since I use 64bit flash I haven't had a firefox crash in a long while so it's not that neccessary anymore
[01:26] <yofel> hehe
[01:28] <duncan__> same goes for evolution, as it likes to shit itself when I try and use gecko for RSS feeds and when I used ghtml it eats webpages alive
[01:28] <duncan__> I'm like >.> what happened to the formatting, it's like the made the webpage all one column when in ghtml
[01:29] <yofel> hm evolution... heard that it got better now, but switching from thunderbird would be too much work for me :P
[01:29] <yofel> o.O
[01:29]  * yofel fails to visualize that...
[01:30] <duncan__> I personally don't see the point in developing ghtml and khtml when gecko and webkit both do an excellent job, are open source, and conform to standards
[01:30] <yofel> +1
[01:31] <yofel> actually epiphany-webkit seems quite usable now, last time I tested it it would crash all the time
[01:31] <duncan__> yeah, I tried to webkit addon for konqueror about 4-5 months ago and it exploded on me
[01:32] <duncan__> I've decided to stay far away from KDE4 until it is completely stable and even then with the amount of work and polish the ubuntu team puts into integrating everything with gnome I lose alot of my interest in KDE4
[01:34] <duncan__> I remember booting into kde4 and having my entire desktop gone because my config file went wonky for no reason so I had to go into the command line and delete it and rebuild all my applets
[01:35] <yofel> hheh, I've tried kubuntu in every release so far, and 4.3 seems to be the first kde release thats actually usable, the previous ones had constant crashing and bad keyboard shortcut support here :(
[01:35] <duncan__> yeah same
[01:35] <duncan__> 4.3 seems to be what 4.0 should of been, but I feel more at home with gnome atm regardless
[01:36] <yofel> mee too, I guess I'm just too used to it after all that time...
[01:36] <duncan__> KDE4 on a design level seems to over complicate some things
[01:37] <yofel> and since Qt 4.5 has gtk-style support I miss kde even less :)
[01:37] <duncan__> I'm like, i'm a programmer by trade, getting my BA/MA in computer science. that doesn't mean I want to have to build my panels from scratch
[01:37] <yofel> ^^
[01:37] <yofel> I tried gentoo once on my desktop pc
[01:38] <duncan__> gnome offers enough flexibility and makes every days tasks thoughtless, like they should be.  If I really want to do something fancy i'll be in the terminal anyways
[01:38] <yofel> but the only purpose I could find is if somebody wants to set up a really speacial configuration
[01:38] <yofel> other than that, it just increases my power bill -.-
[01:39] <duncan__> gentoo, arch, slackware are very good distrobutions for learning linux, as you build your system from scratch and learn what does what and how to fix things if they break
[01:39] <d0htem> will karmic include ruby 1.9.1?
[01:39] <duncan__> or if you want bleeding edge software all the time, but i've learned to care less about that the older I get
[01:40] <yofel> and installing gnome on gentoo was like... 'emerge gnome' check that you didn't get recursive depends with your use flags and go to sleep
[01:40] <duncan__> !find ruby
[01:40] <d0htem> only 1.9.0 is installed
[01:40] <d0htem> and no one uses that :/
[01:40] <d0htem> its either 1.8+ or 1.9.1
[01:40] <d0htem> u have an entire rep for 1.9.0 and its useless ! :/
[01:41] <duncan__> yofel, haha yeah, that's why I used arch, it did almost everything gentoo does but is binary so it just downloads packages like any other rpm or deb based distro
[01:42] <yofel> well, I'm off to bed then too, good night
[01:42] <duncan__> goodnight
[02:17] <BluesKaj> duncan__,  are you in Alaska , or do you just have a really good proxy setup ? :)
[02:22] <billybigrigger> yofel, i'm actually installing gentoo right now :P
[02:27] <BluesKaj> billybigrigger, I think yofel hit the sack
[02:27] <billybigrigger> :P
[02:27] <billybigrigger> he sure did
[02:27] <BluesKaj> gentoo , why ?
[02:27] <billybigrigger> dunno
[02:27] <billybigrigger> messing around
[02:27] <BluesKaj> hehe
[02:27] <billybigrigger> have you tried it?
[02:28] <BluesKaj> a long time ago before i realized that I had no clue what all the terms meant in the instructions , so I went wit debian
[02:29] <billybigrigger> heh
[02:29] <BluesKaj> I still don't see the point of it
[02:30] <billybigrigger> i like the idea of building your system from scratch
[02:30] <BluesKaj> it's prolly still over my head
[02:31] <DanaG> (gnome-power-manager:12849): devkit-power-gobject-WARNING **: Couldn't suspend: failed to check authorisation: Remote Exception invoking org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Authority.CheckAuthorization() on /org/freedesktop/PolicyKit1/Authority at name org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1: org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: Action org.freedesktop.devicekit.power.suspend is not registered
[02:31] <billybigrigger> like manually doing everything, partitioning, filesytems, compiling the kernel, installing the bootloader
[02:31] <billybigrigger> tis fun stuff :P
[02:32] <BluesKaj> partitioning isn't a problem , but compiling the kernel sounds a bit ambitious for my skills :)
[02:33] <DanaG> It's right... there's nothing about devicekit in polkit control thingy!
[02:33] <billybigrigger> it seems fairly easy to me
[02:33] <DanaG> yargh.
[02:33] <billybigrigger> BluesKaj, Sarvatt ran me through the basic's the other week
[02:33] <BluesKaj> well, maybe I'm a bit gun-shy after the last time
[02:34] <billybigrigger> haha
[02:34] <billybigrigger> it's amazing how much crap and junk is built into ubuntu's kernel, but that's what you get for large hardware support
[02:34] <DanaG> hmm, can one of you please check in system->admin->authorizations to see if there's anything "devicekit" there?
[02:34] <BluesKaj> Sarvatt, knows his stuff , he would be the guy to get instruction from alright
[02:34] <billybigrigger> DanaG, is this a powermanager thing?
[02:35] <billybigrigger> DanaG, i'll help ya out, but i'm a desktop so i might not be of much help
[02:35] <DanaG> My issue is suspend not working -- due to something missing between PolicyKit and DeviceKit.
[02:35] <DanaG> All I see there are references to HAL power stuff.... not devkit.
[02:35] <billybigrigger> what are you looking for in devkit
[02:35] <billybigrigger> you want a screenshot of mine?
[02:36] <billybigrigger> devkit>power>Suspend the System?
[02:36] <billybigrigger> actually
[02:37] <billybigrigger> its org>freedesktop>devicekit>power>Suspend the System
[02:39] <billybigrigger> DanaG, ?
[02:41] <DanaG> Oh yeah, mine has that category entirely missing!
[02:41] <DanaG> org->freedesktop->hal->power is what I have.
[02:42] <billybigrigger> i have o>f>hal>power-management>Suspend the System
[02:42] <billybigrigger> also
[02:42] <DanaG> Yeah, but I lack the devicekit ones.
[02:42] <billybigrigger> which one trumps?
[02:42] <billybigrigger> devkit over hal?
[02:42] <DanaG> yeah, hal is being deprecated.
[02:42] <billybigrigger> yes beacuse hal is deprecated
[02:42] <billybigrigger> yeah exactly
[02:42] <DanaG> What version is your devicekit-power package?
[02:43] <DanaG> 009-1
[02:43] <billybigrigger> yeah
[02:44] <DanaG> ah, had to kill the policykit daemon and restart it.
[02:45] <DanaG> I had been using a PPA for devicekit-power, and had forgotten about it.
[02:45] <billybigrigger> ahhhhhh
[02:45] <billybigrigger> :P
[02:45] <billybigrigger> you have o>f>devkit now then?
[02:45] <DanaG> Yup.
[02:45] <DanaG> That's why I wasn't going all "gripe gripe gripe" mode like I do when something's actually "pissing me off".  =þ
[02:46] <DanaG> I knew approximately how it was broken; I just needed that help to figure out a way to fix it.  Thanks for the help.
[02:47] <billybigrigger> np
[02:48] <yofel> argh... too hot here... can't sleep *-.-
[02:48] <yofel> billybigrigger: enjoy your gentoo expirience, already piked out your use flags?
[02:49] <billybigrigger> just did my 1st reboot :P
[02:49] <DanaG> Now, if only I could figure out why the 2.6.31 kernel ignores my initramfs image.
[02:54] <billybigrigger> yofel, i don't have an use flags set
[02:54] <DanaG> http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2009-06/msg12523.html
[02:54] <DanaG> I have the very same thing going on.
[02:55]  * DanaG tries nocrs...
[02:56]  * billybigrigger has no idea what nocrs is
[03:02] <duncan__> hmm
[03:12] <billybigrigger> yofel, you awake or did you try to go and sleep again?
[03:13] <yofel> still awake
[03:13] <duncan__> heh
[03:13] <duncan__> that was a while ago you were trying to sleep
[03:15] <billybigrigger> yofel, haha i tried to emerge gnome and already getting nowhere, i'm ready to through gentoo out the door already
[03:16] <duncan__> hmm getting annoyed with evolutions RSS abilities, anyone know of an RSS feed reader that uses either webkit or gecko?
[03:16] <duncan__> billybigrigger, what prompted you to use gentoo?
[03:16] <billybigrigger> duncan__, boredom
[03:17] <billybigrigger> duncan__, thunderbird reads rrs iirc
[03:17] <duncan__> I use evolution for mail
[03:17] <billybigrigger> :P
[03:17] <duncan__> billybigrigger, if you want a similar less painful experience try arch
[03:17] <yofel> billybigrigger: did you follow the installation handbook?
[03:18] <billybigrigger> yofel, ya but the handbook leaves gnome install out
[03:18] <Spaghetti-code> high
[03:19] <Spaghetti-code> 400mb updates from last 2 days is fascinating
[03:19] <yofel> billybigrigger: yes, what you usually miss are the right use flags in you make.conf, you could start by trying to installing the xserver first ;)
[03:20] <Spaghetti-code> morning mr. yofel
[03:20] <billybigrigger> USE="X dbus gtk gnome hal avahi svg"
[03:20] <billybigrigger> guess a working x server would be needed first :P
[03:20] <billybigrigger> haha
[03:20] <billybigrigger> yofel, thanks tips :P
[03:20] <DanaG> Neither add_efi_memdesc nor nocrs fixed the initramfs stuff.  :(
[03:20] <Spaghetti-code> oh initramfs
[03:20] <yofel> lol, yeah, that's the beginning config, I had about 50 later on ^^
[03:21] <billybigrigger> yofel, i think i'll take duncan__'s suggestion and try out arch
[03:21] <yofel> billybigrigger: using 'emerge --pretend <package>' should show you the available/used/blocked use flags
[03:21] <billybigrigger> i like the idea of install your system from scratch like gentoo does
[03:21] <DanaG> I like not having to compile.
[03:21] <Spaghetti-code> thats the problem of a monolithic kernel, if something fails, the whole system crashes
[03:21] <DanaG> I tweak from the top down, not from the bottom up.  =þ
[03:22] <yofel> billybigrigger: I found it a very nice expirience on how linux actually works, but other than that it was too much work for me keeping it working
[03:23] <duncan__> yofel, agreed, good to play with and learn... even good to use if you have alot of time to dedicate to tweaking but in general not good for production
[03:23] <Spaghetti-code> i got  a problem from wake up from standby the wlan doesnt work
[03:29] <burner> anyone know why I can't get dpkg to install?  it keeps giving error code 1 while trying to install dpkg_1.15.3.1ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[03:45] <nztal> how is karmic doing these days ?  not too bad ?  adoptable ?
[03:46] <billybigrigger> works good on my desktop
[03:46] <billybigrigger> too good actually :P that i'm getting bored and installing gentoo in a vm
[03:46] <nztal> ok.. thank you
[03:47] <nztal> are jaunty medibuntu sources ok for karmic ?
[03:48] <billybigrigger> can't comment, don't use that repo
[03:50] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm still having the same issue of EFI-boot resulting in the kernel ignoring the initramfs image.
[03:50] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/efiboot-30to31-unified.log
[03:50] <DanaG> Diff of 'dmesg' between kernel versions.
[03:51] <burner> can anyone help me get dpkg to upgrade?
[03:52] <billybigrigger> DanaG, what is efi-boot anyway?
[03:53] <billybigrigger> you seem to be having this problem for awhiel
[03:53] <DanaG> It's when I boot using UEFI firmware mode, instead of the legacy BIOS-based way.
[03:53] <burner> huzzah, nevermind, thank you launchpad
[03:53] <DanaG> The most well-known user of [U]EFI is Apple, but my HP EliteBook has UEFI also.
[03:56] <DanaG> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2009-05/msg00812.html
[03:57] <DanaG> "initrd must be kept on the memory area below 4g"... hmm, I actually have 4G of RAM.
[04:07] <Spaghetti-code> why samba doesnt automaticly mount anything with UTF-8?
[04:07] <Spaghetti-code> windows 9x times are over
[04:21] <Spaghetti-code> heh someone knows a wireless mouse on 800mhz, or something? those crap at 2.4ghz is interfering with wlan
[04:23] <Spaghetti-code> someone was smoking weed? the terminal is white default with the tango theme lol
[04:40] <Spaghetti-code> is all that we see or seem a dream, but a dream within a dream?
[04:41] <LaserJock> anybody know if the older sound mixer applet is still around?
[04:41] <LaserJock> I'm having a heck of a time adjusting volume levels :(
[04:59]  * DanaG goes back to BIOS-based boot mode.
[04:59] <mac_v> anyone know how to fix apport-collect : 401 error?
[05:07] <DanaG> update-manager is saying:
[05:08] <DanaG> "Downloaded 3256 kB of ..."
[05:08] <DanaG> Downloaded 14.5MB of 2...
[05:08] <DanaG> Oh, and it's jumping back and forth between a valued progress-bar and an indeterminate "bouncing" bar.
[05:08] <DanaG> =þ
[05:10] <DanaG> heh, another system is saying:
[05:10] <DanaG> "The package information was last updated 223 days ago."
[05:13] <mac_v> hehe! never knew 223 days ago Karmic even existed ;p
[05:14] <LaserJock> DanaG: that's kinda messed up :-)
[05:14] <DanaG> Yeah.
[05:14] <DanaG> It's the vbox repo that's confusing it.
[05:14] <DanaG> Screwed-up authentication.
[05:14] <DanaG> So, it marks it as having "not updated".  =þ
[05:15] <mac_v> DanaG: vbox repo.. WFM nice
[05:25] <DanaG> Downloaded 556KB of 1...
[05:25] <DanaG> Downloaded 2911KB of ...
[05:25] <DanaG> =þ
[05:25] <DanaG> Looks like it ran out of space.
[05:25] <billybig1igger> DanaG: have you looked at the EFI page on the grub wiki?
[05:25] <DanaG> Yeah, it recently broke between 2.6.30 and 2.6.31.
[05:26] <DanaG> I was following the thread (mostly about Apple products, though) on the forums.
[05:26] <DanaG> All else the same, I can still boot 2.6.30... and it still works.
[05:26] <DanaG> 2.6.31 just won't acknowledge the initramfs image.
[05:28] <DanaG> I love having a high-DPI display.
[05:28] <DanaG> Besides simply being awesome... it also lets me MOCK things for breaking under high-DPI.  =þ
[05:28] <DanaG> s/MOCK/poke fun at/
[05:29] <DanaG>       + Add card and port selection (Bastien Nocera)
[05:29] <DanaG> spiffy.
[05:30] <xtknight> can anyone tell me the rationale for replacing empathy with pidgin?
[05:31] <xtknight> sorry, pidgin with empathy
[05:38] <DanaG> ooh, gnome-volume-control has improved, somewhat.
[05:38] <DanaG> Now it needs to have the move-to-different-endpoint feature of pavucontrol.  =þ
[05:38] <DanaG> And that notify-osd needs that GODAWFUL LAG fixed.
[05:38] <DanaG> =þ
[05:39] <DanaG> Connection failed: Connection terminated
[05:39] <DanaG> Connection failed: Connection terminated
[05:39] <DanaG> argh.
[05:40] <oldude67> billybigrigger, hey figured out what was up with the system...:( had a hard drive failing and it was causing all kinds of errors.
[05:41] <billybigrigger> every time
[05:41] <billybigrigger> that'll do er :P
[05:42] <DanaG> Interesting... the results of twiddling the "subwoofer" slider in gnome-volume-control are non-deterministic.
[05:42] <oldude67> so now that i get all my stuff off the flash drive im going to install vbox and run karmic in it till i can make sure its not going to bork my system.
[05:44] <LaserJock> anybody know how to get the old gnome-volume-control back or at least be able to adjust ALSA channels using something other than alsamixer?
[05:45] <DanaG> gamix?
[05:45] <DanaG> gnome-alsamixer?
[05:45] <oldude67> ok i have heard alot of people complaining about the new mixer...what did they do to it?
[05:45] <LaserJock> I just can't really adjust sound using it
[05:46] <LaserJock> I have the slider all the way up and nothing, well then I go into alsamixer and some channel has been muted
[05:46] <oldude67> the only problem i had was with pulseaudio and i just deleted it and went to alsa
[05:46] <DanaG> I actually use and LIKE pulseaudio.
[05:46] <LaserJock> I don't have a problem with pulseaudio, I just can't adjust stuff
[05:46] <DanaG> I just don't like the half-arsed pulseaudio control that the gnome volume control tries to be.
[05:47] <oldude67> it was garble and static with my intel sound
[05:47] <DanaG> oh yeah, did you enable tsched=1 in /etc/pulse/default.pa  ?
[05:47] <DanaG> The 31 kernel fixes that quite well.
[05:47] <DanaG> used to be crap with tsched=1 and good without it... now it's better the other way around.
[05:48] <oldude67> haha i had lots of problems with the 31 kernel cause of my hard drive..so nope..just got done reinstalling a little bit ago...lol
[05:48] <oldude67> now im doing all the 4 billion updates.
[05:52] <DanaG> weird, I was remotely upgrading a box... and it randomly disconnected from the network exactly here:
[05:52] <DanaG> Unpacking replacement ubuntu-docs ...
[05:53] <DanaG> yeah, odd spot for a disconnect.
[05:53] <billybigrigger> maybe power outage
[05:54] <DanaG> No, it's sitting right next to me.  =þ
[05:54] <DanaG> I just felt like doing it remotely, from my more comfortable keyboard.
[05:54] <billybigrigger> ah hah
[05:54] <oldude67> well atleast its in walking distance..lmao
[05:55] <DanaG> ipw2200: page allocation failure.
[05:55] <DanaG> I say, ipw2200 is probably about the worst wifi card I've had to use.
[05:55] <DanaG> Well, the others I've used have been b43, iwl3945, and iwlagn.
[05:55] <DanaG> And b43 has been more reliable than ipw2200 for me.
[05:56] <DanaG> ipw2200: Firmware error.  Restarting.
[05:56] <DanaG> ipw2200: Firmware error.  Restarting.
[05:56] <DanaG> ... ad nauseum.
[05:56] <oldude67> well no laptop here so im hardwired...no disconnect..lol
[05:56]  * billybigrigger loves the wired connection :P
[05:57] <oldude67> me too...and so easy to setup...just turn the computer on..lmao
[05:57] <billybigrigger> gentoo blows
[05:58] <billybigrigger> compiling EVERYTHING is a pain haha and i've only installed irssi and xserver over top of the base system
[05:58] <billybigrigger> what a joke
[05:58] <oldude67> oh god i would never want to compile anything if i dont have to....
[05:58] <billybigrigger> emerge 22 / 243 for gnome
[05:58] <DanaG> hah, and the sound card on that thing... gnome says it's at 153% volume.
[05:59] <billybigrigger> the fact that vbox doesn't utilized more than 1 core sucks too
[05:59] <oldude67> and i thought slackware was bad..i would not even try genpoo.
[05:59] <DanaG> billybigrigger: now vbox can, actually.
[05:59] <billybigrigger> !!!! :O
[05:59] <billybigrigger> virtualbox-ose:
[05:59] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 3.0.2-dfsg-1ubuntu1
[06:00] <billybigrigger> maybe because i have gentoo x86 and not x64?
[06:00] <DanaG> I think you have to manually tweak the settings in the UI.
[06:00] <oldude67> ive gotten so use to using synaptic and apt-get that i would probably put a bullet threw the monitor to have to go back to doing all that again..lol
[06:00] <DanaG> Oh, and the ipw2200 is even worse when you use Intel's utility on Windows.
[06:01] <DanaG> "The authentication process with the network has not begun."
[06:01] <oldude67> well then i def wont be getting one of those for christmas..lmao
[06:05] <DanaG> "has not begun?"      "HAS NOT BEGUN?"
[06:05]  * DanaG slaps Intel, and says the only correct response:  "SO, BEGIN!"
[06:05] <DanaG> =þ
[06:06] <oldude67> ugh i lost my games...crap..lmao
[06:07] <oldude67> im beginning to hate western digital...grrrrr....
[06:08] <billybigrigger> seagate baby
[06:08] <billybigrigger> :P
[06:08] <oldude67> DanaG, i take it your wifi is intel then...surprising i dont usually have that much trouble out of intel stuff.
[06:09] <oldude67> billybigrigger, yeah my b/day is in 3 days if you want to get me one..lmao..:D
[06:09] <DanaG> Well, that's the old, spare, "toshitba" laptop's card.
[06:09] <DanaG> New one is iwlagn... works well.
[06:09] <DanaG> yeah, and "toshitba" is the hostname of the old one, too.
[06:09] <oldude67> lol
[06:10] <DanaG> After all, what else can you call a P4-Celeron 1.6GHz, with a GeForce "1+1=4MX!" card?
[06:10] <billybigrigger> oldude67, i have an old 500g pata with an xp install that's just sitting in my case :P
[06:10] <oldude67> DanaG, um doorstop, bookend..lmao
[06:11] <oldude67> boat anchor..lol
[06:11] <DanaG> Annoyingly, of all the old laptops we have around here, that's the best.
[06:11] <DanaG> It gets, oh, 15 minutes or so from the half-deceased battery.
[06:11] <DanaG> All others are slower, and have zero battery at all.
[06:12] <DanaG> Oh, and another laptop we have around here: Athlon XP-M 1.2Ghz, with a heatsink literally the size of an eraser.
[06:12] <DanaG> With WinXP on it, it idled at 67 C, and hit up to 87 at load.
[06:12] <DanaG> With tickless kernel, that's down to idling at 53 or so.... but still hits 87 at load.
[06:12] <oldude67> wow thats a little warm i would say.
[06:12] <DanaG> And the heatsink... is literally the size of a "mars plastic" brand eraser.
[06:13] <DanaG> Fan turn-on threshold: 75 C.  It's either on or off.
[06:13] <DanaG> I gave that one the name "amaterasu".
[06:13] <oldude67> you would think that they would of figured out a way to better cool them things by now.
[06:13] <DanaG> It looks more like something HP cobbled together out of existing spare parts.
[06:14] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and it had unused solder pads for, and a covered slot in the case for, a floppy drive.... but when I tried to fit one in the case, I found that the floppy drive would've intersected the hard drive.
[06:15] <DanaG> Both of those old laptops were crap even when they were new.  =þ
[06:18] <DanaG> Hmm, is 87C hot enough to cook an egg?
[06:19] <Jeruvy> I'd think so, 45 would probably do the trick :)
[06:20] <syn-ack> DanaG, considering thats almost 200 F, I'd say so
[06:21] <DanaG> What does an egg require?
[06:22] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm considering sticking a large, flat aluminum plate on that thing.  =þ
[06:22] <syn-ack> about 45 degrees. :P
[06:23] <DanaG> That's one laptop that won't just cook your .... um, lap.....   ... it'll instead scald/burn your legs.
[06:23] <billybigrigger> or fry a nut
[06:24] <DanaG> No, that's too easy.  It feels burning hot to the touch, if you dare try to set it on your legs -- or even just try to pick it up by the bottom.
[06:24] <billybigrigger> fyi guys who drive around in heated leather seats in their vehicles have a pretty high chance of getting testicular cancer, so keep that laptop on a desk :P
[06:25] <DanaG> Nah, it's shoved in a closet.
[06:25] <billybigrigger> don't know about the rest of the world but heated leather seats is almost standard here in canada :P
[06:27] <DanaG> At least the (actually heavier) toshitba only runs 50-60 C at any time.
[06:27] <DanaG> And my current laptop, HP EliteBook 8530w, actually has 5 ACPI thermal zones.
[06:28] <DanaG> CPU is idling at, oh, 30 C... and load is usually 67, tops.
[06:31] <oldude67> 1172mb used in just games..lmao..yeah.me:D
[06:31] <SodaPhish> hey yu'all
[06:31] <oldude67> !hello
[06:31] <billybigrigger> wow, maybe i'll have gnome installed by morning time
[06:31] <SodaPhish> I've been running karmic since it was released.
[06:31] <DanaG> Did I show youse my desktop?
[06:31] <SodaPhish> tonight
[06:32] <SodaPhish> I did a dist-upgrade
[06:32] <SodaPhish> and things have been very bad since.
[06:32] <oldude67> ok ill bite, and how bad is it..lol
[06:32] <SodaPhish> hahah
[06:33] <SodaPhish> sound is the principle issue
[06:33] <SodaPhish> it works, for most things
[06:33] <SodaPhish> but for UrbanTerror, I get the sweet sound of NOTHING
[06:33] <SodaPhish> anyone got any ideas?
[06:33] <SodaPhish> :-(
[06:33] <SodaPhish> I'm majorly bummed
[06:33] <DanaG> oh yeah, with the new volume control applet..... it's IMPOSSIBLE to run pulseaudio -vvv.
[06:33] <SodaPhish> frack
[06:33] <DanaG> You kill pulseaudio... it comes back literally instantly.
[06:33] <DanaG> ... not in the console.
[06:33] <SodaPhish> is that a 'feature'?
[06:33] <SodaPhish> ;-)
[06:33] <oldude67> see shoot pulseaudio..
[06:33] <oldude67> lol
[06:34] <DanaG> You do 'killall -9 pulseaudio && pulseaudio -vvv' and you get 'daemon already running'.
[06:34] <SodaPhish> well, I gotta tell you, sound in 8.10 was solid... but since then its been a mishmash of crap that doesn't work.
[06:34] <SodaPhish> DanaG: do you have any suggestions?
[06:34] <DanaG> oh yeah, try editing /etc/pulse/default.pa to set tsched=1?
[06:34] <SodaPhish> what's that do?
[06:35] <DanaG> Changes the way the audio engine uses timers -- it enables "glitch-free".
[06:35] <DanaG> Glitch-free actually made things bad, previously... but with 2.6.31, it's a lot better.
[06:35] <SodaPhish> done
[06:36] <SodaPhish> now etc/init.d/pulse restart?
[06:36] <SodaPhish> of course not
[06:36] <SodaPhish> its per-user
[06:36] <SodaPhish> hurr!
[06:37] <SodaPhish> kill -9 `pidof pulseaudio`
[06:37] <SodaPhish> which, of course, breaks a thousand things...
[06:37] <DanaG> =þ
[06:37] <DanaG> Anywawy, it should come back right awaway.
[06:37] <DanaG> "anywawy"... I'll have to remember that one.
[06:38] <SodaPhish> hehe
[06:38] <SodaPhish> it did.
[06:38] <SodaPhish> just had to restart firefox
[06:38] <oldude67> i like awaway too..lol
[06:38] <SodaPhish> (was listening to pandora)
[06:38] <SodaPhish> awaway works for me
[06:38] <SodaPhish> I knew what was being said
[06:38] <SodaPhish> ;-)
[06:39] <SodaPhish> hurr durr
[06:39] <SodaPhish> no sound in UrT still
[06:40] <billybigrigger> SodaPhish, open sound preferences, goto applications tab, turn slider up for UT
[06:40] <SodaPhish> I did that already
[06:40] <SodaPhish> :-(
[06:40] <billybigrigger> :(
[06:40] <DanaG> alsamixer -c0
[06:40] <DanaG> or -c1
[06:40] <DanaG> that gives real sound card control.
[06:40] <SodaPhish> OOOO
[06:40] <SodaPhish> WAIT!!!!
[06:40] <DanaG> oh, and:
[06:40] <DanaG> !info gamix
[06:40] <SodaPhish> after I run UrT I go in to the sound control
[06:41] <SodaPhish> and THAT works!!!  w00t
[06:41] <SodaPhish> oh billy, I want to make babies with you now
[06:41] <DanaG> What is UrT?
[06:41] <SodaPhish> UrT == Urban Terror
[06:41] <DanaG> And who is Billy?
[06:41] <SodaPhish> urbanterror.net
[06:41] <DanaG> =þ
[06:41] <SodaPhish> billybigrigger
[06:41] <SodaPhish> ;-)
[06:42] <DanaG> my desktop: www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/Screenshot.png
[06:42] <SodaPhish> crap, I wonder if that'd fix TeamSpeak too...
[06:42] <billybigrigger> i know what UT is
[06:42] <DanaG> ooh, high-DPI!
[06:42] <DanaG> Anyway, time for me to get off to beddddd.
[06:43] <billybigrigger> damn anime freaks
[06:43] <billybigrigger> haha
[06:43] <SodaPhish> ROFL
[06:43] <SodaPhish> Dana
[06:43] <SodaPhish> thanks for your help mate!
[06:43] <DanaG> grr, stupid gnome doesn't let me "eject" my eSATA drive.
[06:43] <oldude67> atleast it wasnt a hello kitty wallpaper.lmao
[06:44] <DanaG> Tsubasa Chronicles (manga) is damn amazing... and the anime series has awesome music.
[06:44] <syn-ack> Ugh
[06:44] <SodaPhish> rofl @ hello kitty
[06:44] <syn-ack> what is it with the whole anime bull?
[06:45] <oldude67> idk , i like bugs bunny myself..lmao
[06:45] <billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=132
[06:45] <billybigrigger> theres my current setup
[06:45] <syn-ack> oldude67, HEAR HEAR
[06:45] <billybigrigger> nice and simple
[06:46] <syn-ack> yogi was my hero too
[06:46] <Tekno> morning
[06:46] <tanath> i'm having probs with gnome. apparently gconf server won't run: http://pastebin.ca/1510773
[06:47] <SodaPhish> http://sodaphish.com/files/screeny.png
[06:47] <SodaPhish> that's my desktop
[06:47] <SodaPhish> its the sexah
[06:47]  * SodaPhish is gonna go play UrT now that I gots dah sound!
[06:47] <syn-ack> Someone wanna explain to me why awn is bringing my Core2duo with 2 gigs RAM to its knees?
[06:47] <SodaPhish> w00t
[06:48] <SodaPhish> thanks all
[06:48] <billybigrigger> what desktop environment is that?
[06:48] <billybigrigger> gnome with no top panel?
[06:48] <oldude67> looks more like xfce
[06:49] <billybigrigger> sorta does actually
[06:49] <billybigrigger> i forgot gnome-do was mono app
[06:49] <billybigrigger> duh, how could i forget that
[06:49] <tanath> gnome is unusable
[06:50] <tanath> how can i fix the gconf issue?
[06:56] <oldude67> was you using it in a root terminal?
[06:56] <billybigrigger> * tanath has quit ("Leaving"
[06:57] <SodaPhish> my desktop is gnome without panels
[06:57] <oldude67> oh so it was gnome.
[06:57] <SodaPhish> it runs gnome-do with docky plus desklets
[06:57] <oldude67> sure looked like xfce to me
[06:57] <SodaPhish> nope
[06:58] <oldude67> ill be glad when i get done installing stuff...i hate redoing my system it takes forever to get it back to being like i want it.
[07:00] <oldude67> i would of just left /home alone but it was on the hard drive that died..so grrr...:(
[07:02]  * billybigrigger keeps 2x500GB SEAGATE's in raid1 for that :P
[07:03] <billybigrigger> haha
[07:03] <SodaPhish> raid is so overrated
[07:03] <SodaPhish> ;-)
[07:04] <oldude67> well i like to keep home on a different hard drive for this reason,just didnt expect that one to be the one that died.
[07:05] <billybigrigger> oldude67, i have something here....
[07:06] <billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=136
[07:06] <oldude67> oh know...im afraid to look..lmao
[07:07] <Spaghetti-code> im apefraid to install samba4
[07:07] <billybigrigger> that drive still runs :P has an old copy of win98 on it haha
[07:08] <oldude67> lol i have some old hard drives that still clunk along and work fine..just not big enough to install squat on...
[07:09] <Spaghetti-code> yeah i got a old mfm drive from 1987 with MS Dos 3.3
[07:09] <oldude67> actually i think i have one just like that too..lmao
[07:09] <Spaghetti-code> a seagate st 4051
[07:11] <oldude67> when i was a kid i can remember using a cassette tape on a old vic-20 ...lmao now thats old...
[07:11] <billybigrigger> i've got too much junk in my drawer, an x2 5200+, 100gb fujitsu and 320gb WD notebook drives, a dvdrw for an hp laptop, fx5200 agp card, nics, 512mb ddr, 2gb ddr2 haha the list goes on
[07:11] <Spaghetti-code> yeah the vic 20 was lolable if you got after 20minutes a LOAD ERROR
[07:11] <billybigrigger> Spaghetti-code, nice! haha +1 for having dos still
[07:11] <Spaghetti-code> i play sometime old games with that crap machine
[07:12] <Spaghetti-code> its a compaq deskpro i386
[07:12] <billybigrigger> my first was a compaq presario 486, monitor was all built into the case
[07:12] <oldude67> ya alot of people said those things were going to die when the year 2000 came but the kept right on a clunking too.
[07:13] <Spaghetti-code> yeah the perversario, i hate those machines, they are somewhat nonstandard of everything
[07:14] <oldude67> have a lot of love hate for compaq...i love to hate them..lmao
[07:14] <oldude67> but i think dell is running a tight second...grrrr.
[07:15] <Spaghetti-code> a bbs was running on those compaq for like 10 years
[07:15] <oldude67> my dad use to send packets across his ham radio with one of those for a long time.
[07:16] <Spaghetti-code> yeah but i made packet radio with a newer machine
[07:16] <Spaghetti-code> 486 dx50 or something on a tnc2 controller
[07:16] <oldude67> he was talking about doing that too..but never got around to it.
[07:16] <tanath> can anyone help me with gnome? it's become unusable. http://pastebin.ca/1510773
[07:17]  * ikonia nudges a gentle reminder on the topic
[07:17] <oldude67> oh we are so offtopic
[07:17] <oldude67> lol
[07:17] <Spaghetti-code> yeah i see
[07:17] <ikonia> thanks guys
[07:17] <tanath> gconf server won't run, and it's preventing everything else from gnome from running
[07:17] <oldude67> tanath, hey you left earlier
[07:18] <Spaghetti-code> klingons on the run
[07:18] <tanath> oldude67, yeh, found something on the web i wanted to try. didn't work
[07:18] <oldude67> i googled that problem earlier, was you running it in a root terminal?
[07:18] <tanath> oldude67, running which?
[07:18] <tanath> oldude67, i doubt it
[07:18] <oldude67> the gconf
[07:19] <oldude67> ok then nvm
[07:19] <tanath> oldude67, i don't think so
[07:19] <Spaghetti-code> heh someone knows how to display folder icons in gmone?
[07:19] <tanath> oldude67, not such that it caused this
[07:19] <tanath> oldude67, happened after updates
[07:19] <oldude67> gnome wont load at all?
[07:19] <Spaghetti-code> no it should load the folder itself as an icon
[07:19] <tanath> oldude67, not really. i'm logged into gnome now.. but it's not functional
[07:19] <Spaghetti-code> not the file
[07:20] <tanath> oldude67, the screen res is off, and i can see the desktop icons, but the wallpaper has reset to plain colour, and there's no gnome-panel, etc
[07:20] <tanath> oldude67, nothing that uses gconf works
[07:20] <tanath> alt+f2 brings up the run box, but that's it
[07:21] <tanath> but any time i type anything, i get that error popping up again
[07:22] <tanath> all my settings appear to be gone, basically
[07:22] <oldude67> this happened when doing an update?
[07:22] <tanath> after updates, yes
[07:23] <tanath> after updates & a reboot
[07:23] <billybigrigger> Spaghetti-code, what are you using on the right hand side of your desktop?
[07:23] <oldude67> have you went into recovery mode and seen if there was a problem with the dpkg?
[07:23] <billybigrigger> gnome-do applets?
[07:24] <tanath> oldude67, dpkg is fine
[07:25] <tanath> oldude67, no broken packages or anything at least
[07:26] <tanath> oldude67, scratch that. it was fine
[07:27] <tanath> oldude67, just checked for more updates, and ran 'aptitude full-upgrade' and it segfaulted
[07:30] <tanath> oldude67, apt-get upgrade segfaults too
[07:30] <tanath> >_<
[07:31] <tanath> my system is seriously broken right now :(
[07:31] <tanath> hunh. aptitude update segfaults too now. didn't last time
[07:32] <xnevermore> could someone please tell me how to disable pulseaudio in karmic (9.10)? "killall pulseaudio" used to do the trick, but now it seems to reload everytime i try to kill it.
[07:32] <jimd> Where would I put in an enhancement request for a tool that I think should be included in the next LiveCD?
[07:32] <oldude67> tanath, try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[07:34] <tanath> oldude67, hm, not sure why that worked, but not more segfaulting :)
[07:34] <tanath> thanks
[07:35] <oldude67> your quite welcome
[07:35] <tanath> ok, installing more updates. mostly pulseaudio
[07:35] <oldude67> lets see what was it that dana told that other guy to do about pulse???
[07:36] <tanath> oldude67, any ideas on how to fix gnome?
[07:36] <kklimonda> jimd, probably some mailing list
 oh yeah, try editing /etc/pulse/default.pa to set tsched=1?
[07:37] <kklimonda> jimd, try ubuntu-devel-discuss first
[07:37] <kklimonda> jimd, and what application? It's kinda hard to get something into ubuntu livecd, especially now that developers are trying to push all bits of ubuntuone there..
[07:37] <oldude67> tanath, not to sure about the gnome thing...i use kde mostly
[07:38] <tanath> oldude67, i have both, but use gnome. i've grown quite accustomed to it and prefer it. no plans for switching ATM :P
[07:39] <tanath> thanks anyway
[07:39] <oldude67> np
[07:39] <oldude67> i have both too...just usually am on kde
[07:39] <tanath> for some reason gconf will not run >.<
[07:43] <PolitikerNEU> Hello everyone, I have problems with (downloaded) eclipse: It crashes every minute - but reproducible (e.g. if I click on the "finish" button of the Choose Server-Dialogue)
[07:43] <PolitikerNEU> The error message tells me something about libpango
[07:56] <tanath> i just got a gdk error running fx-3.5
[07:56] <tanath> why must nothing work? >.<
[07:59] <xnevermore> could someone please tell me how to disable pulseaudio in karmic (9.10)? "killall pulseaudio" used to do the trick, but now it seems to reload everytime i try to kill it.
[08:03] <tanath> can anyone help me fix gnome?
[08:18] <beyondcr> dose anyone know how to patch wireless drivers?
[08:33] <jimd> kklimonda: It's tiny ... partimage.
[08:34] <jimd> The idea is that it facilitates backups and baremetal restore from the liveCD.
[08:34] <mac_v> jimd: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[08:34] <mac_v> jimd: propose your idea to the list
[08:35] <jimd> Eventually I'd like them to offer a GUI/script that would drive this ... give new adopters every reason (and the requisite tools) to perform a good backup before they install.
[08:35] <mac_v> jimd: i like the idea :)
[08:36] <jimd> For me it's easy enough to fire up the network (usually wireless for my customers today) and aptitude install it into the session.
[08:36] <jimd> But it's a nuisance.
[08:36] <mac_v> jimd: but it has to be decided by the desktop team , hence proposing the idea with a full description + *user scenarios* might get it accepted
[08:38] <mac_v> jimd: there is ubuntu one now, try combining them both
[08:39] <Ian_> !info ubuntu one
[08:40] <oldude67> hey is 256 enough memory for karmic? i know its low end but am installing it on vbox
[08:40] <Ian_> !info ubuntuone-client-applet
[08:42] <kklimonda> !info ubuntuone-client-gnome
[08:42] <Ian_> ok but what does it do? :p
[08:44] <kklimonda> Ian_, http://www.ubuntuone.com/
[08:50] <ripps> oldude67: Xubuntu would probably be a better fit, since it has smaller memory requirements
[08:51] <oldude67> ill probably run that after i get 9.10 installed just trying to install it for now.
[08:53] <oldude67> will probably end up giving it more memory tho, as i know it will need it.
[08:54] <oldude67> although it is loading up in vbox just fine, just might take it a minute or two
[08:59] <maxb> Has anyone noticed gdm leaving black rectangles where the background does not refresh, when its central window resizes?
[09:00] <syn-ack> yep
[09:18] <maxb> syn-ack: I have filed bug 406232 if you would like to confirm it
[09:19] <syn-ack> maxb, Please Hold
[09:22] <syn-ack> maxb, confirmed please check
[09:27] <Spaghetti-code> meow cat calls a doh
[10:04] <fuzzybunny69y> hey everyone I am having problems playing videos in Ubuntu Karmic Koala. It seems as though all the codecs and things are installed but videos are not playing in Totem VLC or mplayer
[10:04] <Spaghetti-code> modprobe thc
[10:04] <fuzzybunny69y> !mplayer
[10:04] <Spaghetti-code> vlc and totem?
[10:04] <fuzzybunny69y> !codecs
[10:04] <Spaghetti-code> bunny restart your machine
[10:05] <Spaghetti-code> or restart x
[10:05] <fuzzybunny69y> Spaghetti-code, hey i did restart
[10:05] <fuzzybunny69y> and it still doesnt work
[10:05] <Spaghetti-code> it works for me
[10:05] <Spaghetti-code> strange
[10:06] <fuzzybunny69y> well the upgrade didnt exactly go smoothly
[10:06] <fuzzybunny69y> it hit a couple snags
[10:06] <fuzzybunny69y> but it seems like they always do
[10:06] <Spaghetti-code> i run ubuntu repos with satanic edition
[10:07] <fuzzybunny69y> what is the satanic edition
[10:07] <Spaghetti-code> a funny theme addon for ubuntu
[10:07] <fuzzybunny69y> it still says Thank you for your interest in Ubuntu 9.04
[10:07] <fuzzybunny69y>                 - the Jaunty Jackalope - released in April 2009.
[10:07] <fuzzybunny69y> 				
[10:07] <Spaghetti-code> adds some nice sounds and boot logos into it
[10:07] <fuzzybunny69y> but in other places it says i am using 9.10
[10:08] <Spaghetti-code> yeah its alpha
[10:11] <syn-ack> maxb, thats a dup bug btw
[10:12] <syn-ack> hey which one of ya is Sebastien Bacher?
[10:12] <jpds> syn-ack: Why?
[10:12] <syn-ack> just wondering...
[10:13] <Spaghetti-code> !google sebastien bacher
[10:13] <Hobbsee> syn-ack: seb128
[10:13] <Spaghetti-code> !google seb128
[10:13] <jpds> Spaghetti-code: the bot doesn't do Google.
[10:13] <Spaghetti-code> !yahoo seb128
[10:13] <syn-ack> ah, ok... just got his launchpad email on that bug I confirmed for Maxb is all
[10:15] <Spaghetti-code> i hope someone adds those tickless timers for netbuntu
[10:16] <Spaghetti-code> saving energy is more important for notebook users
[10:27] <fuzzybunny69y> hey everyone does anyone know what i could do I am unable to play xvid/divx and other videos since I upgraded to Karmic?
[12:05] <VK7HSE-Eee> hey just been having a look at the Alpha3 KDE netbook release... very impressed!
[12:07] <VK7HSE-Eee> only issue I noticed was that the wifi didn't have 40bit WEP preventing me from accessing my old wifi gateway...
[12:15] <kenkku> hi, I wonder if someone could check out this bug quickly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-system-tools/+bug/405819
[12:15] <kenkku> should be easy to confirm if anyone else is experiencing it
[12:27] <leleobhz> can i report packaging issues here?
[12:29] <leleobhz> well
[12:29] <yofel> leleobhz: well, what issue is it?
[12:29] <leleobhz>   evolution-rss: Depends: evolution (< 2.27) but 2.27.5-0ubuntu1 is installed.
[12:29] <leleobhz> broken version depedency
[12:29] <yofel> !bugs
[12:30] <leleobhz> yofel: isnt too much open a bug because version mismatch?
[12:33] <yofel> leleobhz: nope, if you can't install the package then it's a bug. And it's easier to track issues with bugs. If the evolution maintainers think it's not a bug they'll close it. You should check first if somebody hasn't already reported it though.
[12:33] <leleobhz> yofel: ok, reporting...
[12:34] <leleobhz> btw, generically talking, karmic appear to have some compilation issues
[12:34] <leleobhz> i got a lot of crashes involving random gnome apps
[12:34] <leleobhz> but more is keyring and netbook interface (yes, im using it from a netbook)
[12:35] <leleobhz> yofel: last: about things i cant reproduce.
[12:36] <leleobhz> i have a bug in karmic: if i shutdown using gnome netbook menu, the shutdown fail, gnome stops after killing netbook interface and dont do anything. if i press power button or control + alt + delete (show a different shutdown menu), it works
[12:36] <leleobhz> should i report this kind of thing?
[12:37] <yofel> shouldn't that be reproducable?
[12:37] <leleobhz> i dont know. occours with my dell mini 9
[12:38] <leleobhz> happens always, but not the same form
[12:38] <yofel> hm... you should better ask in #ubuntu-bugs about that, I'm not sure now
[12:38] <yofel> you could report it and get help from the developers in debugging it
[12:39] <leleobhz> hmmm, its a option
[12:39] <yofel> I'm not sure since I never used the netbook interface even on my eeePC
[12:40] <SodaPhish> holy crap the netbook interface on intel chipsets is still frackin' hideous
[12:40] <yofel> SodaPhish: ?
[12:40] <leleobhz> SodaPhish: ?²
[12:40] <leleobhz> im using karmic with inspiron mini
[12:40] <leleobhz> well
[12:41] <SodaPhish> what graphics chipset?
[12:41] <leleobhz> uxa REALLY made the diference
[12:41] <leleobhz> 945
[12:41] <SodaPhish> I'm just running karmic on my laptop
[12:41] <SodaPhish> hmmm... I may have to update
[12:41] <leleobhz> SodaPhish: considering a netbook, i can run euphoria screensaver without lag
[12:42] <yofel> heh, 945GME too on my eeePC
[12:42] <leleobhz> so, better speed than jaunty
[12:42] <leleobhz> yofel: karmic made the difference... very fast about vga
[12:42] <yofel> uxa sure is faster, but was totally crashy in jaunty
[12:42] <yofel> it's working really nice now
[12:42] <leleobhz> yofel: i have *******BAD******** experiences with uxa and jaunty
[12:43] <leleobhz> including xorg-edgers :p
[12:43] <SodaPhish> I'll have to upgrade to karmic on my EeePC
[12:43] <yofel> leleobhz: join the club :P
[12:43] <leleobhz> yofel: a strange thing...
[12:43] <leleobhz> i have a notebook with 915
[12:43] <SodaPhish> anyone know how to change the resolution of X on the fly?
[12:43] <leleobhz> (today runs arch), but when runs ubuntu
[12:43] <leleobhz> xorg-edgers driver helped a lot
[12:43] <leleobhz> SodaPhish: 945?
[12:44] <leleobhz> just change in screen config on gnome
[12:44] <leleobhz> yofel: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution-rss/+bug/406332
[12:44] <leleobhz> good enough for a ubuntu+1 bug?
[12:44] <SodaPhish> 1680x1050 on a 17" widescreen laptop
[12:44] <SodaPhish> oh the glory
[12:45] <leleobhz> SodaPhish: o.0
[12:45] <leleobhz> :p
[12:47] <yofel> leleobhz: updated the bug, the actual probelm is a better short description in this case
[12:48] <yofel> makes it easier for the maintainers to scim over the bug list
[12:49] <SodaPhish> lelebhz: this is a pretty sweet laptop
[12:49] <leleobhz> yofel: nice
[12:49] <yofel> hm, seems like somebody already reported that, but your report is more detailed
[12:49]  * yofel goes marking duplicates...
[12:50] <leleobhz> o.0
[12:50] <yofel> leleobhz: refresh your bug, you'll see the duplicate now
[12:51] <yofel> it has a rather bad description :/
[12:52] <leleobhz> yofel: o.0
[12:52] <leleobhz> really strange report
[12:55] <leleobhz> well, lets see if evolution got better than in jaunty
[12:57] <yofel> leleobhz: btw, since we have our nice bot here (ubottu) you can mention your bugs just by number and we'll get the neede information from him, like: bug 406332
[12:58] <leleobhz> yofel: nice
[12:58] <leleobhz> off: someone know another PIM solution to gnome instead evolution?
[13:22] <jithine> hi guys. with karmic I am facing an issue when mountung a usb disk
[13:23] <jithine> kde plasma will get unresposive for several seconds after mounting it
[13:23] <jithine> dont know y its happeniing
[13:23] <jithine> any one here has faced this issue
[13:24] <jithine> there is no problem in mounting. Even in plasma panel frozen state I can use the konsole and play some movies in side the disk
[13:34] <Oli``> What a difference a day makes in karmic-land. Yesterday sound was fairly unreliable and stereo wasn't cloning to my rear speakers. One truckload of updates later and I've got great audio in everything and stereo scales up to fake-5.1 automatically...
[13:37] <ForgeAus> when Karmic comes out is it going to be possible to go intrepid->karmic or do you have to go through Jaunty?
[13:37] <ForgeAus> (in an upgrade path)
[13:37] <Pici> ForgeAus: You'll have to go through Jaunty
[13:37] <ForgeAus> why is that?
[13:38] <Pici> ForgeAus: Because thats the procedure for all releases.  Only in LTS to LTS upgrades can you skip going through the intermediary releases.
[13:38] <ForgeAus> doesn't all the thing the dist-upgrade does change the repo's to look at the new distro and reinstall upgraded packages?...
[13:41] <Pici> ForgeAus: I'm trying to come up with an analogy to explain it, sorry for the delay.
[13:42] <ForgeAus> Pici, ok let me put it this way, doesn't isn't there issues with Jaunty?
[13:42] <ForgeAus> so why should I have to break my working distro to upgrade through Jaunty in order to go Karmic?
[13:42] <Pici> ForgeAus: Er, that question wasn't particularly clear
[13:43] <ForgeAus> sorry scrap the doesn't (I edited that line)
[13:43] <ForgeAus> I know of people complaining KDE4 + jaunty has freezes or crash issues...
[13:44] <ForgeAus> however, it did seem as though they like the system in general, just that there is some kinda problems like that with it...
[13:44] <Pici> ForgeAus: Basically by asking people to upgrade between all the intermediary releases theres no need to ensure that you'll be able to upgrade from release A to release D seemlessly.
[13:45] <ForgeAus> ok... and its hard to figure what you need to seemlessly upgrade otherwise?
[13:46] <Pici> ForgeAus: Lets say that release B changes where we store some data. A->B will do that, and B->C will work fine, but If you try to go from A->C, you'd have to make sure that there are processes in there to transfer the existing data from one location to the next.
[13:46] <Pici> We only build those processes if you're upgrading from one release to the next or from an LTS to the next LTS.
[13:47] <ForgeAus> so I'm oging to have to wait for the next LTS?
[13:47] <ForgeAus> wait was Intrepid LTS?
[13:47] <Pici> No.
[13:47] <Pici> You don't need to stay in Jaunty.  Just upgrade from Intrepid to Jaunty and then immediately to Karmic.
[13:48] <ForgeAus> argh.. so your saying I should have stuck with Hardy or gutsy? whichever was LTS?
[13:48] <Pici> Karmic isnt LTS either.
[13:49] <ForgeAus> yeah, I figured that, but having to wait for the next LTS... even worse!
[13:49] <ForgeAus> Intrepid is pretty good... it fixed most of my video problems
[13:50] <Pici> So? Stick with it. Try the Karmic live CD when its released, if its good then upgrade to Jaunty and then to Karmic.
[13:50] <ForgeAus> ltosa DL to go two releases in succession tho
[13:52] <ForgeAus> I'll probably have a different pc by the time I want to u/g anyway... so it probably won't be a problem...
[13:53] <ForgeAus> (I've had this one for quite some time... its a p4 socket 478 pc still ... thats pre-lga775/core2, etc...)
[13:53] <ForgeAus> only now outgrowing it...
[13:58] <ForgeAus> argh...
[13:59] <ForgeAus> Jaunty dist-upgrade tells me I'm currently using fglrx and that no version of that driver is available that works with my hardwarei n Ubuntu 9.04
[14:01] <yofel> ForgeAus: yeah, a lot of ati cards got deprecated in the jaunty fglrx version, you'll need to use the open source driver in that case
[14:01] <ForgeAus> yofel is radeon9600 AIO good for that?
[14:02] <ForgeAus> I don't think I should be using fglrx anyway, I just didn't seem to be able to get rid of it
[14:02] <ForgeAus> at the same time I don't wanna break something either...
[14:05] <yofel> I'm not sure, I don't know much about ati cards, I just remember the huge discussion about it from the jaunty devel days
[14:56] <jithine> hi guys. with karmic I am facing an issue when mountung a usb disk
[14:56] <jithine> kde plasma will get unresposive for several seconds after mounting it
[14:56] <jithine> dont know y its happeniing
[14:56] <jithine> hi guys. with karmic I am facing an issue when mountung a usb disk
[14:56] <jithine> kde plasma will get unresposive for several seconds after mounting it
[14:56] <jithine> dont know y its happeniing
[14:56] <jithine> hi guys. with karmic I am facing an issue when mountung a usb disk
[14:56] <jithine> kde plasma will get unresposive for several seconds after mounting it
[14:56] <jithine> dont know y its happeniing
[14:56] <jithine> hi guys. with karmic I am facing an issue when mountung a usb disk
[14:56] <jithine> kde plasma will get unresposive for several seconds after mounting it
[14:56] <jithine> dont know y its happeniing
[14:56] <jithine> hi guys. with karmic I am facing an issue when mountung a usb disk
[14:56] <jithine> kde plasma will get unresposive for several seconds after mounting it
[14:56] <jithine> dont know y its happeniing
[14:56] <jithine> hi guys. with karmic I am facing an issue when mountung a usb disk
[14:56] <jithine> kde plasma will get unresposive for several seconds after mounting it
[14:56] <jithine> dont know y its happeniing
[14:56] <bazhang> jithine, please dont repeat
[14:56] <jithine> hi guys. with karmic I am facing an issue when mountung a usb disk
[14:56] <jithine> kde plasma will get unresposive for several seconds after mounting it
[14:56] <jithine> dont know y its happeniing
[14:56] <jithine> hi guys. with karmic I am facing an issue when mountung a usb disk
[14:56] <natewiebe13> !enter
[14:56] <jithine> kde plasma will get unresposive for several seconds after mounting it
[14:56] <jithine> dont know y its happeniing
[14:57] <bazhang> jithine, stop it
[14:57] <jithine> oops sorry for spamming. in quassel focus was on upper part it did not take me to bottom when i pasted
[14:57] <jithine> i thought it was not pasting
[14:57] <jithine> so repeatedly pasted. sorry guys.
[15:00] <MerlinW> curious question: how stable the alpha 3?
[15:00]  * Logi is wondering the same
[15:00] <MerlinW> i dont want change, just asking:)
[15:01] <Logi> I've patched my system to death for the X vs. intel problem, updated kde, updated firefox and some other bits, and I'm beginning to think I'd be better off with an alpha
[15:01] <MerlinW> i usualli upgrade after 2-3months from release
[15:01] <MerlinW> y
[15:01] <natewiebe13> stable for me
[15:02] <jithine> MerlinW:  well i can say its wasy stable than jaunty. I have been using jaunty from alpha days
[15:02] <natewiebe13> MerlinW: ive had no problems.. im even using 190.18 drivers from nvidia
[15:02] <MerlinW> well, jaunty is one of the most buggy release:)
[15:02] <MerlinW> i dont like it
[15:02] <MerlinW> :)
[15:03] <yofel> well, the karmic alpha sure is more stable than the jaunty alpha, but there are several annoying issues and some people report grave system problems
[15:03] <natewiebe13> MerlinW: only problem was pulse audio was controlling pcm for the applet, and my keyboard was controlling the master, now its all fixed
[15:03] <natewiebe13> for me at least
[15:03] <MerlinW> my first move, than i change pulse to alsa
[15:03] <MerlinW> :)
[15:03]  * Logi looks at the blank desktop background and the glaring bit-blt-problems on his patched-up jaunty
[15:03] <yofel> you guys should at least read the 'known issues' on the alpha3 release page and then you might try the live disk
[15:04] <Logi> some glyphs in some font sizes get garbled
[15:04] <Logi> yofel: good point
[15:04] <yofel> MerlinW: err... the new gnome-volume-control only supports pulseaudio right now
[15:04] <Logi> and buy that 1TB firewire disk (I'm accumulating excuses to waste the cash) to back up the system
[15:04] <natewiebe13> imo, use a daily build live cd instead of alpha 3
[15:04] <MerlinW> yofel, ouch:)
[15:04] <yofel> so removing pulse would be a *bad* idea IMHO
[15:05] <MerlinW> i hope, it will be ok
[15:05] <Logi> My plan was always to keep gnome more-or-less at jaunty release level and to be adventurous with the kde stuff, but it seems that breakage has bled over
[15:05] <MerlinW> i dont remove it, just change Alsa to default system
[15:05] <yofel> there are several other problems, like devicekit-disks trying to mount all your other parititions on login with a pw prompt
[15:06] <MerlinW> hehe
[15:06] <yofel> MerlinW: the old volume settings aren't there anymore, so you can't select alsa
[15:06] <MerlinW> no problem, they still have 3 months:)
[15:06] <yofel> you should really first try a daily build to see how it is
[15:06] <MerlinW> yoasif, yep, i got it
[15:07] <natewiebe13> and its putting a floopy there.. so you have to blacklist it if you dont have one
[15:07] <MerlinW> not so important, im patient. i was just corious
[15:07] <natewiebe13> sure thing.. btw.. the new notifications are really great
[15:08] <dajomu> How and where can one see the changes on ubuntu-daily-build?
[15:08] <natewiebe13> there is a video on macslows site
[15:08] <yofel> natewiebe13: yes, but the fonts are too small :(
[15:08] <natewiebe13> not for me
[15:08]  * dajomu is back
[15:08] <natewiebe13> im running 1440x900 and they are just perfect
[15:09] <natewiebe13> anyways.. im going uptown [woot]
[15:16] <dajomu> Are there no daily-build report?
[15:20] <MerlinW> dajomu, launchpad?
[15:21] <MerlinW> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+specs
[15:25] <dajomu> I guess the report.html here is the one? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[15:53] <mattik_> Hello. Is there some problem with launchpad? I can't report bug
[15:55] <Pici> mattik_: What sort of problem?
[15:55] <mattik_> It said please try again later when I try to press next in first page
[15:56] <mattik_> I use windows firefox because I have wubi bug
[15:57] <mattik_> Our edge server has a lower timeout threshold than launchpad.net, so we can catch those before they hit a wider audience. As a member of the Launchpad Beta Testers team, you're more likely to experience them. If this is blocking your work, you can disable redirection.
[16:00] <mattik_> Or am I banned?
[16:00] <yofel> mattik_: you should ask that in #launchpad
[16:01] <mattik_> thanks
[16:38] <mphill> anyone know if with empathy you can set your proxy settings
[16:39] <mphill> i think empathy sorta sucks, its premature to replace pidgin. although sip support is nice
[16:46] <eagles0513875> morning guys
[17:56] <DanaG> weird... I have compiz set to keep quodlibet always on top... yet it doesn't,.
[17:56] <DanaG> oh, and the notify-osd steals focus from the current window each time it redraws.
[18:09]  * billybigrigger loves quodlibet
[18:09] <billybigrigger> started using banshee when i went a PPA frenzy :P
[18:10] <xtknight> has anyone else had trouble with basic copy/paste in nautilus?  in particular, having to do it twice?
[18:10] <billybigrigger> negative
[18:17] <stardust1985> Hi people. Does somebody know why alpha3 loads sooo long?
[18:17] <stardust1985> cca 2 minutes
[18:21] <arand> stardust1985: Don't know, suggest looking att boot logs, and/or installing bootchart and see if any *one* process is the culprit }>bug report
[18:22] <stardust1985> arand: thanks for your ideas. Where can I find boot logs? will it be in /var/log/messages?
[18:23] <yofel> stardust1985: look at the timestamps of 'dmesg' (kernel log)
[18:23] <yofel> an look if there's a point where it hangs
[18:26] <stardust1985> the numbers on the left are seconds after booting?
[18:29] <stardust1985> if yes, this looks like a problem:
[18:29] <stardust1985> [   17.690565] type=1505 audit(1248885045.386:9): operation="profile_load" pid=1930 name=/usr/sbin/cupsd
[18:29] <stardust1985> [   96.444415] vboxdrv: Trying to deactivate the NMI watchdog permanently...
[18:32] <yofel> hm, no idea, cupsd doesn't get started here
[18:37] <stardust1985> now I found the corect times in /ver/log/kern.log and it is probably due to tcpdump, but it is strange
[18:37] <stardust1985> Jul 29 18:30:46 michel-msi kernel: [   17.668951] type=1505 audit(1248885045.366:7): operation="profile_load" pid=1929 name=/usr/sbin/tcpdump
[18:37] <stardust1985> Jul 29 18:32:08 michel-msi kernel: [   17.689869] type=1505 audit(1248885045.386:8): operation="profile_load" pid=1930 name=/usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf
[18:48] <DanaG> ugh, dash as sh... would be fine if the tools I need didn't have bashisms all over the place.
[18:51] <nztal> how is karmic on laptops ?  i think my laptop uses an ath5k module
[18:58] <popey> nztal: i have a machine with ath5k and one with ath9k and they work fine
[19:00] <nztal> thanks popey
[19:00] <popey> np
[19:01] <popey> just the intel video driver that's still a bit sucky at the moment
[19:01] <nztal> anyone know the trigger for the daily build of karmic ?
[19:01] <kklimonda> !daily
[19:01] <nztal> thank you
[19:02] <kklimonda> no problem
[19:06] <Spaghetti-code> is all we see or seem a dream but within a dream?
[19:32] <BUGabundo> anyone knows the bug for the OSD font size?
[19:32] <BUGabundo> hey cwillu
[19:33] <BUGabundo> dada miss you bery bery mouch
[19:33] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[19:33] <BUGabundo> hey yofel
[19:33] <cwillu_clone> pokepoke
[19:33] <BUGabundo> poking
[19:33] <cwillu_clone> anyone seen massive xorg memory leakage under nvidia lately?
[19:34] <BUGabundo> nope
[19:34] <BUGabundo> just stupid FF eating all CPU on a few sites
[19:35] <BUGabundo> like gmail, btaccel, etc
[19:36] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo: bug 393516
[19:36] <BUGabundo> thank charles
[19:37] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:37] <charlie-tca> anytime for you
[19:37] <BUGabundo> CHUACK
[19:53] <BUGabundo> hey Le-Chuck_ITA
[19:53] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Heya
[19:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: hi!
[19:55] <BUGabundo>  is this really fixed for anyone?   https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/404219
[19:56] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: yes for me
[19:56] <yofel> no idea, It works here after I set the values by hand in gconf
[19:57] <BUGabundo> not for me
[19:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> BUGabundo: same as yofel for me
[19:57] <Le-Chuck_ITA> not really fixed, no clue anymore
[19:57] <BUGabundo> I mean, scroll works, but no tapping
[19:57] <BUGabundo> nor multitouch
[19:59] <BUGabundo> anyone getting a bunch of messages on boot stating grep couldn't find a dir or node?
[19:59] <kklimonda> erm.. how to disable touchpad completely?
[19:59] <yofel> BUGabundo: me
[19:59] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: no one seems to know. for some it works when pluging a mouse. not for me
[19:59] <BUGabundo> yofel: any idea which script is causing it?
[20:00] <kklimonda> BUGabundo, I have both touchpad and trackport
[20:00] <kklimonda> trackpoint*
[20:00] <BUGabundo> ah
[20:00] <kklimonda> And I don't use external mouse at all
[20:02] <yofel> kklimonda: same here, the touchpad_enabled value had no effect :/
[20:03] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: yofel: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/notify-osd/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/src/defaults.c#L133
[20:03] <BUGabundo> OSD font!
[20:03] <kklimonda> yofel, I think touchpad_enabled is a stray from previous settings dialog
[20:03] <kklimonda> yofel, I don't have this setting at all in gconf
[20:05] <charlie-tca> so, all I have to do is recompile?
[20:05] <charlie-tca> that ain't easy!
[20:08] <BUGabundo> no idea
[20:08] <BUGabundo> aint it in python or something ?
[20:08] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:08] <syn-ack> Good morning folks
[20:08] <charlie-tca> I don't know. It is a .c file, which is the same as most of the souce files
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Hello, syn-ack
[20:09] <charlie-tca> I got SiDi working on it, though
[20:09] <yofel> BUGabundo: a python file would end in .py :P
[20:12] <Daviey> dave@sabre:~$ cat test.c
[20:12] <Daviey> #!/usr/bin/env python
[20:12] <Daviey> print "Hello, World!"
[20:12] <Daviey> dave@sabre:~$ ./test.c
[20:12] <Daviey> Hello, World!
[20:12] <Daviey> !pastebin > daviey
[20:13] <Daviey> yofel: it's a convention, not a rule :)
[20:15] <yofel> Daviey: yeah I know, but I *why* would anybody break it? (for fun -> dead sentence)
[20:15] <yofel> s/dead/death
[20:19] <Spaghetti-code> someone disables those Bulls google custom search for Firefox
[20:36] <kklimonda> Spaghetti-code, you can disable them yourself
[20:45] <Spaghetti-code> no by myself
[20:46] <Spaghetti-code> thats nerdthink
[20:46] <Spaghetti-code> think like a common "normal" user, they have no clue of many things, so it should be the standard google, not those nerdgoogle ubuntu
[20:47] <Spaghetti-code> sorry if i said nerd, but ubuntu is a distro for humans, not for computer geeks
[20:49] <kklimonda> Spaghetti-code, normal uses don't run alpha releases
[20:49] <kklimonda> users*
[20:50] <kklimonda> Spaghetti-code, from asac's blog: "# First of all it’s an experiment designed for an ubuntu alpha release (meaning: this is not expected to make all happy, nor should someone expect this to be of production quality now)."
[20:50] <genii> If you run a beta release, get prepared to roll up your sleeves and learn how to change the oil
[20:52] <Spaghetti-code> genii: i know that facts, but i always have the normal user in mind
[20:53] <kklimonda> Spaghetti-code, why would normal user want to run alhpa release of Ubuntu?
[20:53] <th1> why is my Eee 1000 volume so low with karmic since the last week?
[20:53] <th1> does anyone have a solution??
[20:53] <th1> I use "paman" to adjust volume above 100% but it doesn't work well and distorts the sounds also
[20:54] <Spaghetti-code> kklimonda: testing it?
[20:54] <th1> this is so damn frustrating I'm almost ready to go back to jaunty
[20:55] <kklimonda> Spaghetti-code, it's to early for that - beta or RC is meant for wide testing.
[20:55] <kklimonda> brb
[20:55] <Spaghetti-code> kklimonda: yeah it does't differ that much from the final
[20:56] <Spaghetti-code> its like playing with lego
[20:56] <th1> only the lego pieces are made of clay and covered with superglue
[20:57] <Pici> th1: Have you logged a bug?
[20:57] <th1> Pici, I tried to log one but there are already many
[20:57] <th1> i subscribed to some of them but nothing has happened
[20:59] <th1> well not true
[20:59] <th1> they have all been merged and "fixed" :(
[20:59] <th1> guess it's time to log a new
[21:00] <kklimonda> Spaghetti-code, sorry, Have you said something to me? I was rebooting and saw that someone is talking..
[21:09] <erisa__> I have been running ubuntu-netbook-remix using the karmic daily builds.  Today I went to upgrade and found that ubuntu-netbook-remix is to be removed and ubuntu-standard is to be upgraded.  This doesn't sound right.
[21:15] <JanC> erisa__: probably some dependencies that aren't entirely correct yet because of things moving
[21:15] <th1> Pici, I have filed a new bug now: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/406591
[21:16] <JanC> erisa__: an hour ago or so apt tried to remove ubuntu-desktop too, but now it seems to be fixed  ;)
[21:22] <moatn> heyho
[21:22] <moatn> i can't mount my luks-partition.. it says it's not a luks-device
[21:23] <erisa__> JanC: Thanks.  I think I'll postpone my upgrade for now.
[21:23] <moatn> "Command failed: /dev/sdb2 is not a LUKS partition" <- to be more precise.. after prompting for the password.
[21:24] <moatn> and i really need that partition back.. if anyone has an idea, that would be very cool.
[21:26] <kklimonda> hmm... when I change screen brightness notify-osd doesn't display a notification. Instead an old notification is displayed
[21:27] <kklimonda> It looks like it has changed after the latest update (to gnome-power-manager 2.27.2+git2009...)
[21:27] <JanC> maybe upstream doesn't use libnotify?
[21:30] <kklimonda> well, yes - but it was patched before
[21:30] <kklimonda> it's a bug 406396 now
[21:32] <moatn> http://pastebin.com/d1baf1453 if that helps?
[21:39] <ripps> devicekit-power wants to remove devicekit, is this okay?
[21:41] <yofel> ripps: believing the changelogs it seems that devicekit is being dropped in karmic, so yes
[21:42] <Leftmost> devicekit has been merged into udev-extras.
[21:43] <yofel> ah, good to know :)
[21:43] <robert__> hi. I'm not able to shutdown the kde way. only sudo hald on the console works
[21:43] <robert__> is this a know problem or only my bad luck?
[21:44] <robert__> I click on shutdown but than I get back to the desktop and nothing happens
[21:44] <DanaG> Hmm, now that HAL is being deprecated... how do you get the thing to reload keymaps?
[21:45] <DanaG> YOu used to be able to just restart HAL, but restarting udev doesn't work like that.
[21:45] <JanC> AFAIK hal isn't entirely deprecated yet?
[21:46] <Leftmost> Keymaps are, though.
[21:46] <Leftmost> DanaG, try `sudo udevadm control --reload-rules'
[21:47] <DanaG> ah, I'll have to remember that for next time.
[21:47] <DanaG> Thanks.
[21:47] <Leftmost> I'm not certain that'll work, but it's a suggestion.
[21:47] <Leftmost> Might be worth testing.
[21:50] <Ng> hmm, isn't devicekit the new hal?
[21:50]  * Ng just wondering why it's in universe
[21:51] <Leftmost> Ng, devicekit is a temporary package that provides functionality being merged into udev.
[21:51] <Leftmost> 003 is the last version of devicekit that will ever be released.
[22:46] <euxneks> hello, I'm attempting to install a program from source that uses gnomeConf.sh in it's ./configure.. is there any way to install an older version of libgnomeui-dev or somehow update the outdated configure file?
[22:46] <euxneks> or is this the wrong channel to ask this..?
[22:47] <euxneks> I have karmic installed :)
[22:48] <AlanBell> euxneks: I have no idea, but do tell us what the program is
[22:48] <euxneks> well, it's an old program called directory_administrator
[22:48] <euxneks> it's a minor tool for some ldap management
[22:49] <euxneks> last update was in 2005
[22:49] <euxneks> I can start to use something new but I was kind of used to it
[22:49] <euxneks> seemed to work nicely :)
[22:49] <AlanBell> that would be this then http://diradmin.open-it.org/
[22:50] <euxneks> yes
[22:50] <euxneks> sorry I was going to post a link
[22:50] <euxneks> :P
[22:53] <AlanBell> euxneks: I suspect the best thing to do is fix the application rather than downgrade your karmic
[22:54] <euxneks> how exactly would I go about doing that?
[22:55] <poseidonpp> You guys think gnome 3.0 will be in LL?
[22:55] <AlanBell> sorry, I am pretty clueless myself at that level, I was just trying to bring out a few more details to help someone else to help you better :-)
[22:56] <euxneks> hah
[22:56] <euxneks> :P
[22:56] <euxneks> thanks
[22:56] <AlanBell> anyone know where gdmsetup has gone in Karmic?
[22:57] <DanaG> I ate it.
[22:57] <DanaG> =þ
[22:58] <euxneks> ¬_¬
[23:01] <euxneks> is there a gnome development channel?
[23:01] <euxneks> actually, I'll ask in #gnoem
[23:02] <Leftmost> euxneks, #gnome-hackers on GIMPNet.
[23:02] <euxneks> thanks
[23:13] <DanaG> heh, I just got a conffile prompt, where the only change was a newline.
[23:27] <Spaghetti-code> high
[23:28] <Spaghetti-code> phil katz was great