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| pam | cjwatson: Is there a gfxboot language reference somewhere (not just the vocabulary but more general like stack handling,...)? I am failing miserably trying to walk through arrays (http://pastebin.com/m193ef855) | 05:51 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 07:40 |
| geser | Hi pitti | 07:41 |
| pitti | hey geser, wie gehts? | 07:44 |
| geser | fine | 07:44 |
| geser | and you? | 07:45 |
| pitti | great, enjoyed some days off | 07:45 |
| StevenK | Hey pitti! | 07:57 |
| StevenK | pitti: It appears that the UNR and Ubuntu livefses fail to build due to: system-config-printer-udev: Conflicts: hal-cups-utils but 0.6.19+git20090217-0ubuntu7 is to be installed | 07:58 |
| StevenK | pitti: Should hal-cups-utils just get unseeded in both cases? | 07:58 |
| pitti | StevenK: yes, it should; it's obsolete | 07:59 |
| StevenK | pitti: Okay, shall I fix both seeds and both meta packages? | 07:59 |
| pitti | StevenK: I'm just committing the ubuntu change | 08:00 |
| StevenK | pitti: You'll fiddle ubuntu-meta, or shall I? | 08:03 |
| pitti | StevenK: please go ahead while you are at it | 08:03 |
| maxb | I'm feeling a bit snubbed by the fast closure of https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/406070. Isn't a feature present in Jaunty being lost from Karmic a valid regression bug worth tracking, regardless of whether it's upstream's fault? | 08:21 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 406070 in gnome-control-center "gnome-sound-properties removed without adequate replacement" [Undecided,Invalid] | 08:21 |
| pitti | mbiebl: FYI, I committed 20_cpufreq_warning_message_fix.patch upstream, so we are back to two distro specific and easy patches in hal | 08:22 |
| pitti | mbiebl: do you want me to commit the hal smartdimmer support that we have in Ubuntu to the debian experimental branch? | 08:24 |
| pitti | mbiebl: I won't commit it for now, it's a bit dubious | 08:25 |
| pitti | mbiebl: oh, and it's obsolete in the new DK world anyway | 08:36 |
| seb128 | maxb, the bug is not constructive, you should rather open request to add features to the new capplet | 08:45 |
| maxb | Hrm. Tracking a feature regression in the distro is not useful? | 08:47 |
| maxb | The features don't really belong in an applet calling itself the "Volume Control" anyway | 08:48 |
| seb128 | maxb, what feature? | 08:49 |
| seb128 | maxb, opening bugs about "the new capplet version sucks" is of no use no | 08:50 |
| seb128 | maxb, you should open a bug about "gnome-volume-control should let you selection <option you need>" | 08:50 |
| seb128 | selection -> select | 08:50 |
| maxb | I didn't say "it sucks", I said "removed without adequate replacement" | 08:51 |
| maxb | furthermore, I stated in the bug why adding features to gnome-volume-control didn't make sense | 08:52 |
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| seb128 | maxb, still not a constructive way to approch things, we don't write this code | 08:52 |
| seb128 | well try being constructive there | 08:52 |
| seb128 | suggest what we should do knowing that we will not roll back to distro patch deprecated code | 08:52 |
| maxb | Leaving aside all other matters, isn't it important to track the fact that we've removed a user-visible feature and not supplied any replacement? | 08:54 |
| maxb | Especially when the feature is something Windows has had since 95? 3.1? | 08:54 |
| seb128 | maxb, I stop this discussion there I'm not interested in non constructive discussion there, we already have a collection of bugs about people like the old version better for random reasons | 08:55 |
| maxb | Removal of a concrete features is not a "random reason" | 08:56 |
| maxb | * feature | 08:56 |
| seb128 | you can select sound theme in the new interface | 08:57 |
| maxb | You can coarsely choose between "Ubuntu" and "No sounds", yes | 08:57 |
| maxb | that falls a long way short of selecting individual sounds for events | 08:58 |
| seb128 | well open a bug about "new capplet should you set custom sounds for events" | 08:58 |
| maxb | and also it provides no way to select visual alert rather than audible, as the old one did | 08:58 |
| seb128 | maxb, bug #324700 is your request about sound events made in a constructive way and not with an unclear ranting title | 09:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 324700 in gnome-media "gnome-volume-control is missing system events sound adjustment" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/324700 | 09:01 |
| maxb | Your definition of ranting is considerably more sensitive than mine | 09:06 |
| seb128 | maxb, sorry but your bug title suggest that we should not have changed to capplet without have some features there but the decision of rewritting is not ours | 09:07 |
| seb128 | and we distro patched the previous codebase in jaunty to address those concerns | 09:07 |
| seb128 | so better to suggest changes to make it adequate rather than complain about the switch not being adequate | 09:09 |
| maxb | OK, well, for my future reference, what _is_ the procedure when an upstream drops a feature without having firm plans to replace it? | 09:15 |
| maxb | I guess another example would be the gdm graphical configuration tool, which we luckily have someone interested in writing a new one | 09:16 |
| seb128 | maxb, open a bug on the new component saying "the tools should have this feature" | 09:16 |
| maxb | But in the general case, do we aim to track such feature-loss regressions in any way, or do we just aim to make upstream's current feature set work well? | 09:16 |
| seb128 | maxb, not saying "you switched before it was ready" or "how could you do that" or "new version sucks" | 09:16 |
| seb128 | maxb, depends of the feature, I'm not sure sound events ever worked correctly under GNOME and they are not a stopper | 09:17 |
| seb128 | maxb, ie they don't prevent any work to get done, don't destroy any data, etc | 09:17 |
| seb128 | we don't aim to replace every corner case option or at least don't consider that has a stopper | 09:18 |
| seb128 | as | 09:18 |
| hile | for people who care about the sound themes the new capplet is of course a step backwards. myself, I only care about the 'disable all event sounds and themes' buttons | 09:19 |
| hile | maybe this is some evil plan for 'sound theme feature pack' sales :) | 09:21 |
| dpm | pitti: may we borrow you for a second on #kubuntu-devel for a question on translations (Riddell tells us that you also initially set up the kde i18n packaging infrastructure) | 10:16 |
| pitti | dpm: joined | 10:21 |
| dpm | thanks! :) | 10:21 |
| sebner | pitti: uploaded lyx. thanks for you help | 10:22 |
| PecisDarbs | hi people, is there any plans to address mobile broadband modem issue with usb_modeswitch? This utility isn't in repos even. | 10:23 |
| pitti | sebner: just saw it, thanks for sorting this out | 10:23 |
| sebner | pitti: well, my duty since I acked the sync :) | 10:24 |
| sebner | pitti: really fixing it during archive-reorg? | 10:25 |
| pitti | sebner: not really, I think | 10:26 |
| pitti | we still don't want to officially "bless" lyx with support, do we? | 10:26 |
| sebner | pitti: heh, well sooner or later ... | 10:27 |
| sebner | it's the main -> universe problem | 10:27 |
| pitti | well, it's not a technical bug in any way, we specifically don't want to support each and every package in the universe | 10:28 |
| sebner | pitti: right, so what the long-term solution do you have in mind? | 10:31 |
| pitti | sebner: keep a separate source, or fix the two packages in main which pull it in to depend on an alternative | 10:34 |
| pitti | or drop to suggests | 10:34 |
| ttx | pitti: about the Eucalyptus MIR process, I've started writing up MIR reports for a first set, see bug 405715. Please let me know if the way it's presented, the level of details etc. is OK and I should continue this way. For example, let me know if I should push reports to a wikipage instead. | 10:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 405715 in qdox "Main Inclusion Report (Eucalyptus dependencies set 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405715 | 10:34 |
| tseliot | pitti: what would be the best way to add a hal quirk? A separate package or adding it to hal would be better? | 10:34 |
| pitti | ttx: looks okay; please note that it's enough to mention dependencies which are not in main | 10:35 |
| pitti | tseliot: what kind of quirk? | 10:35 |
| ttx | pitti: ok thx | 10:35 |
| tseliot | pitti: for suspend/resume (for an OEM project) | 10:35 |
| pitti | tseliot: suspend quirks for models should go into hal-info (I can commit them upstream) | 10:36 |
| tseliot | pitti: ok, thanks, that's exactly what I needed to know :-) | 10:37 |
| pitti | tseliot: send it to hal@lists.fd.o or to me, or to a bug report and sub me | 10:38 |
| sebner | pitti: for karmic +1 I suppose? | 10:39 |
| pitti | sebner: not particularly; it can happen whenever it's convenient | 10:39 |
| sebner | heh, kk | 10:39 |
| tseliot | pitti: I can't do this yet as I can't disclose the vendor's identity but I'll do it ASAP | 10:39 |
| pitti | oh | 10:40 |
| pitti | tseliot: right, just send it once it's possible, and keep it as a private patch until then | 10:41 |
| tseliot | pitti: yes, the patch will live only in the OEM repos for now | 10:41 |
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| tjaalton | pitti: wrote a MIR for audit, it's holding xorg-server back, bug 406226 | 10:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 406226 in audit "promote audit to main" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406226 | 10:45 |
| pitti | Guest82317: I still know who you are!!! | 10:46 |
| tjaalton | probably needs kees or someone to check it first | 10:46 |
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| NCommander | pitti, I continue to retry to regain my lost ID | 10:46 |
| pitti | tjaalton: right, tossed to kees | 10:47 |
| tjaalton | pitti: thanks | 10:47 |
| robbiew | evand: welcome back to the world of the internets :) | 10:53 |
| evand | thanks! | 10:53 |
| pitti | hey evand | 10:54 |
| * evand was starting to get the shakes | 10:54 | |
| evand | hi | 10:54 |
| pitti | feeling lonely? :-) | 10:54 |
| highvoltage | welcome back to the webs evand | 10:54 |
| evand | haha, indeed | 10:55 |
| evand | thanks highvoltage | 10:55 |
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| unggnu | hi all | 11:33 |
| gnomefreak | .win 10 | 11:33 |
| unggnu | Is there a reason why the Firefox 3.5 package even in Karmic needs so many Gnome dependencies while the 3.0 not? There are probably many KDE users who want to install Firefox. | 11:34 |
| unggnu | And Firefox 3.5 from the homepage even works fine without all this dependcies. Could somebody please fix this? | 11:34 |
| gnomefreak | unggnu: not the pace for that question please join me in #ubuntu-mozillateam | 11:35 |
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| Timmy2Tall | i am trying to play world of warcraft on ubuntu but after i have installed it it wants to update but when i get to the terms and conditions it will not let me click accept. help plz | 12:30 |
| directhex | Timmy2Tall, this is really the opposite of a "user support running wine" channel | 12:33 |
| directhex | YokoZar, what's the wine users' channel? | 12:33 |
| YokoZar | directhex: #winehq | 12:34 |
| directhex | Timmy2Tall, ^^ | 12:35 |
| Timmy2Tall | Hey man lol | 12:35 |
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| maxb | Where, and after what duration of posting sensibly, may I apply for unmoderated posting on ubuntu-devel@ ? | 14:01 |
| maxb | It's a bit awkward participating in a discussion when your responses don't hit the list for hours/days | 14:02 |
| hyperair | maxb: i thought you were a MOTU. =O | 14:08 |
| maxb | one day :-) | 14:09 |
| hyperair | go get UUC-ship first then! | 14:09 |
| hyperair | that'll effectively allow you to post without moderation | 14:09 |
| maxb | I probably have (almost?) enough knowledge, what I lack is the skill at actually managing my time to get Ubuntu dev stuff done having been at work all day doing employee dev stuff | 14:11 |
| kees | tjaalton: hah, funny, I was going to be writing the audit MIR since AppArmor needs it too now. :P | 14:52 |
| pitti | kees: so now you have the chance to "self" approve it :) | 14:53 |
| kees | pitti: yup! perfect. :) | 14:53 |
| kees | it should be pretty trivial, actually. I just hadn't made time for it yet -- had it on the security team's sprint todo list. :P | 14:53 |
| tjaalton | kees: heh, great :) | 14:54 |
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| robbiew | cjwatson: doko: evand: james_w: Keybuk: liw: mvo: slangasek: al-maisan: mterry: FYI - No Meeting | 15:31 |
| liw | robbiew, ack | 15:32 |
| james_w | thanks | 15:32 |
| mterry | yup | 15:32 |
| doko | siesta ... | 15:32 |
| * robbiew sent email, but knows not everyone checks their's every 5min like he does :P | 15:32 | |
| al-maisan | robbiew: thanks for letting me know! | 15:32 |
| maxb | doko: Hi, did you see my question about default-jdk-builddep yesterday? | 15:33 |
| maxb | < maxb> I'm trying to push a s/default-jdk-builddep/default-jdk/ change back to Debian and the maintainer is hesitant because no Debian Policy explains the purpose of these | 15:34 |
| maxb | < maxb> Can you provide an authoritative Debian citation for the correct usage of default-jdk vs. default-jdk-builddep? | 15:34 |
| doko | maxb: no, there's none. the one from the ubuntu wiki looks ok however | 15:34 |
| mvo | robbiew: ok | 15:34 |
| maxb | OK. I've pointed the maintainer in question at your java-gcj-compat-dev builddep mass bug filing, if that's not good enough I shall refer him to this irclog | 15:36 |
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| snadge | tried #ubuntu, google.. can only find old info on 64bit sun java.. it appears to be broken, applets not initializing .. jnlp failing to launch .. i have other 64bit ubuntu machines that i stuffed around with and cant remember how i got it to work.. opinions? | 17:12 |
| snadge | i think it may have involved downloading it from sun and installing it manually | 17:12 |
| ScottK | NCommander: More powerpc fun: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dc-qt/0.2.0.alpha-4ubuntu2/+build/1139325/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-karmic-powerpc.dc-qt_0.2.0.alpha-4ubuntu2_CHROOTWAIT.txt.gz | 17:12 |
| snadge | has anyone suggested the support channel for ubuntu be broken up into two channels.. #ubuntu-n00b or #ubuntu-idontknowhowtousegoogle and #ubuntu | 17:14 |
| snadge | the signal to noise ratio in there is ridiculous | 17:15 |
| Pici | snadge: There is a discussion about it currently on the Ubuntu IRC Council agenda as well as something ongoing on the ubuntu-irc mailing list. | 17:16 |
| mathiaz | james_w: when you submit a merge proposal and you subscribe a specific person, it seems that no notification are sent | 17:16 |
| mathiaz | james_w: ex: https://code.launchpad.net/~mathiaz/ubuntu/karmic/cim-schema/2.22.0-update/+merge/9397 | 17:16 |
| mathiaz | james_w: ttx didn't get notified by LP | 17:17 |
| snadge | im only saying this because #ubuntu-devel is not a support channel.. i just thought someone knowledgeable on sun java on 64bit jaunty, would take pity on me and point me to something useful | 17:17 |
| snadge | considering i have read the forums wikis.. the information is mostly outdated, and advocates manually installing it from sun.com | 17:17 |
| ttx | mathiaz: or maybe it got eaten by a spamfilter, but that would be by the canonical one :) | 17:17 |
| Tronic | snadge: It would have to be #ubuntu and #ubuntu-longtimers or something like that. | 17:19 |
| Tronic | Newbies always come to #ubuntu. | 17:19 |
| Pici | Anyway, a better place to discuss this would be in #ubuntu-irc, as -devel is really for development stuff | 17:20 |
| ScottK | Tronic and snadge: This isn't the channel for Ubuntu IRC channel planning. | 17:20 |
| snadge | thanks.. duly noted | 17:21 |
| james_w | mathiaz: did you put ttx in the "reviewer" box? | 17:27 |
| mathiaz | james_w: yes | 17:28 |
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| mbiebl | pitti: so your commits, thanks | 17:32 |
| mbiebl | s/so/saw/ | 17:34 |
| mathiaz | james_w: regarding pywbem rejection, should the license use of "either" be fixed before a new upload? | 17:37 |
| mathiaz | james_w: I've already corrected the other mistake (yacc.py is LGPL2 and not LGPL2+ in debian/copyright) | 17:37 |
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| james_w | mathiaz: I'm not sure | 17:54 |
| james_w | I'll ask around | 17:54 |
| mathiaz | james_w: ok - I've emailed the upstream authors to get a reponse from them. | 17:54 |
| james_w | thanks | 17:54 |
| vikram | Hi guys | 17:56 |
| james_w | mathiaz: bug 406492 | 17:56 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 406492 in launchpad-code "Reviewer not subscribed to merge proposals" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406492 | 17:56 |
| vikram | How do I use this chat client | 17:56 |
| vikram | please help | 17:56 |
| alonswartz | question for mdz , mvo and anyone else knowledgable about apt pinning. I filed a bug on LP a while back and recently it manifested itself in a bad way in one of our systems. I was hoping someone could take a look http://bit.ly/10N2Ub | 18:01 |
| james_w | mathiaz: upload and I'll accept | 18:18 |
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| mathiaz | james_w: new version of pywbem uploaded | 18:33 |
| james_w | thanks | 18:34 |
| maxb | alonswartz: bizarre, must be a bug deep in the guts of apr | 18:35 |
| maxb | * apt | 18:35 |
| alonswartz | maxb: yeah, i know - very weird. What would be the best way to get this confirmed and on its way to being solved? | 18:37 |
| maxb | Well, confirming it is easy. (I just did). Solving it requires someone to actually dig deep into the apt sourcecode. | 18:38 |
| maxb | You might like to upstream it to debian | 18:39 |
| alonswartz | maxb: what version of apt are you using? | 18:39 |
| maxb | I'm on karmic | 18:39 |
| maxb | !info apt | 18:40 |
| ubottu | apt (source: apt): Advanced front-end for dpkg. In component main, is important. Version 0.7.20.2ubuntu6 (jaunty), package size 1620 kB, installed size 5232 kB | 18:40 |
| alonswartz | maxb: just saw you updated the bug report, thanks! | 18:40 |
| maxb | !info apt karmic | 18:40 |
| ubottu | apt (source: apt): Advanced front-end for dpkg. In component main, is important. Version 0.7.21ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 1623 kB, installed size 5196 kB | 18:40 |
| maxb | Well that's interesting. apt-get may want to downgrade, but aptitude doesn't | 18:41 |
| alonswartz | maxb: the plot thickens... | 18:43 |
| maxb | Not particularly, apt-get and aptitude don't share 100% of the package management code | 18:44 |
| alonswartz | I suppose that might help in narrowing it down (I'm not familiar with the apt code) | 18:46 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: hey, did you speak to the Debian maintainer about libgdamm4.0? | 18:51 |
| chrisccoulson | james_w - not yet. it's on my list of things to do | 18:52 |
| james_w | chrisccoulson: them not renaming in the same way, but I don't think it would be a killer would it? | 18:53 |
| chrisccoulson | they should rename it in the same way shouldn't they? | 18:55 |
| james_w | I assume so | 18:55 |
| chrisccoulson | i can contact the debian maintainer still. i only started working on updating that last night because another update i'm doing needs it | 18:56 |
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| mathiaz | james_w: could you bump up the priority of sblim-cmpi-base pkg import? | 19:13 |
| james_w | done | 19:14 |
| mathiaz | james_w: thank you :) | 19:15 |
| sroecker | hi, any jockey experts around? | 19:31 |
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| mathiaz | Using cdbs, how can I rename usr/share/sblim-cmpi-base/provider-regiser.sh (as installed by upstream) to usr/bin/cmpi-provider-register (as I want it in the final debian package)? | 20:53 |
| ebroder | You have to add something to the debian/rules file | 20:54 |
| ebroder | I usually use binary-install/PACKAGE_NAME::, I think | 20:55 |
| ebroder | So do something like... | 20:55 |
| ebroder | binary-install/PACKAGE:: | 20:55 |
| ebroder | mv $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr/share/sblim-cmpi-base/provider-regiser.sh $(DEB_DESTDIR)/usr/bin/cmpi-provider-register | 20:56 |
| mathiaz | ebroder: awesome - thanks! I use install/PACKAGE instead of binary-install | 21:16 |
| mathiaz | ebroder: it worked out well in the end :) | 21:17 |
| ebroder | install should be fine - just be sure to put it after you include your cdbs classes | 21:17 |
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| kirkland | does anyone know why python-pysqlite2 might have dropped from main to universe? | 22:05 |
| kirkland | looks like landscape-common is depending on it now, which would necessitate bringing it back into main | 22:05 |
| kirkland | i'm wondering if i need an MIR to do this | 22:05 |
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| ScottK | kirkland: Generally if it was in Main before you don't need a full MIR. | 22:34 |
| kirkland | ScottK: cool | 22:34 |
| ScottK | kirkland: Is there a *pysqlite3 in Main? | 22:34 |
| ScottK | There might be some resistance to supporting multiple versions. | 22:34 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: I don't think there is a pysqlite3 | 22:35 |
| kirkland | python-sqlite - python interface to SQLite 2 | 22:35 |
| ScottK | OK. | 22:35 |
| kirkland | python-pysqlite2 - Python interface to SQLite 3 | 22:35 |
| * kirkland finds those descriptions confusing :-) | 22:35 | |
| kirkland | both in universe | 22:35 |
| ebroder | kirkland: SQLite 3 support is built-in to Python >=2.5, isn't it? | 22:35 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: now that sqlite3 is in the standard library pysqlite doesn't need to exist anymore. | 22:35 |
| ScottK | ebroder: I think that's right. | 22:36 |
| TheMuso | /c/c | 23:43 |
| kirkland | siretart: ping | 23:54 |
| kirkland | siretart: would you please merge byobu-2.23 into Debian when you get a chance? | 23:54 |
| ebroder | Is there a relatively easy way to figure out how the debian-installer does a particular step? Say, installing grub? | 23:57 |
| ebroder | I guess I go hunting for udebs? | 23:59 |
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