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StupendoussteveHmm, having issues getting pycg to build on the buildd. I know what the problem is but don't know how to fix it01:55
StupendoussteveIt depends on nvidia-cg-toolkit, that package pulls in Cg-2.1_February2009_x86.tgz from the nvidia site during the setup stage, only this fails on the buildd01:56
StupendoussteveOddly the build continues, until the package simply fails to compile due to the missing dependency01:57
TheMusoStupendoussteve: Do you mean that an attempt is made to download a file from the nvidia site?01:57
StupendoussteveYes01:57
TheMusoStupendoussteve: If so, the buildds prevent network access, which means you need to either install another package that has that file, or put the file in questino inside the package you want built.01:58
StupendoussteveThat's odd, as the previous version built fine and none of that was changed02:00
StupendoussteveScratch that, it has apparently failed to build each time02:05
StupendoussteveIn that case I'll contact the debian upstream and see if something can be modified02:05
* hyperair yawns03:13
ScottKStupendoussteve: I've looked at this package.  It's unfixable until nvidia allows cg to be distributed and it can be packaged.  Debian won't care because they allow binary uploads.04:18
StupendoussteveScottK: I thought as much once I noticed it wasn't just the one I uploaded didn't build04:44
StupendoussteveThanks for the confirmation :)04:45
stochasticDoes anyone have a free minute to REVU either http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/a2jmidid or http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xwax or http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/xjadeo07:04
TheMusostochastic: Will see if I can make time tonight to look at those.07:16
stochasticTheMuso, thanks.07:16
\shmoins07:32
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logari81hi, ...I don't know if this channel is appropriate for such general questions... anyway I have the following  cdbs packaging problem:11:29
logari81I have to first run "autoreconf" in the root directory of my packages sources in order to get the packaging with debuilder free of errors11:29
logari81I see cdbs has auto update options for libtool an autoconf but nothing similar for autoreconf11:30
logari81I d be grateful for any tip11:31
hyperairyes it does11:31
hyperairlook for AUTOCONF and AUTOMAKE11:31
hyperairDEB_AUTO_UPDATE_AUTO{CONF,HEADER,MAKE}11:31
hyperairautoreconf is just a nice wrapper which does runs auto{conf,header,make} in order11:32
* hyperair pokes logari81 11:33
hyperairZhenech: i just realized that the geany-plugin-* packages have a messed up version for geany's binary-dep. i'll fix that and reupload to m.d.n, once i figure out whether it's supposed to be 0.16 or 0.17.11:35
logari81hyperair: seems like what I am looking for, let me try it11:35
hyperairlogari81: when you finally realize that CDBS sucks, run man dh and learn how to use debhelper 7.11:36
hyperair;)11:36
* hyperair misses living on the same LAN as an ubuntu mirror11:39
Zhenechhyperair, heh, setup an own one :P11:40
hyperairZhenech: i set up that mirror! on my university campus taht is. just that i'm now on vacation and at home11:41
Zhenechsetup one at home too :)11:41
hyperairhahaha not enough space =(11:41
hyperairand my bandwidth is so tiny that the initial rsync will probably take a year or so11:42
hyperairor maybe a few months11:42
hyperairby that time, the archive would have completely changed, and i'll have to rsync again11:42
hyperairrather, it'll change faster than i can sync, basically11:43
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hyperairZhenech: aha. 0.16 fails. changing to 0.17, then will upload to m.d.n11:51
Laneythought you had a pkg-geany set up11:52
hyperairwell yes.11:52
hyperairbut i'm not sure where he's getting the sources from O_o11:52
hyperairit's up on pkg-geany in any case11:52
hyperairand now on m.d.n too11:53
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slytherinttx: busy?12:24
ttxslytherin: it's all relative. what's up ?12:24
slytherinttx: same request. I have updated the jemter package on revu.12:24
ttxslytherin: ok, will have a look12:25
logari81hyperair: I see that autoreconf in my case calls aclocal,libtoolize,autoconf,autoheader,automake thus I defined the corresponding DEB_AUTO_UPDATE... entries of cdbs but with no luck up to now12:26
hyperairlogari81: that's when you burn your debian/rules, curse cdbs like hell, and switch to dh7 ;)12:54
* hyperair pokes Zhenech 12:55
dmentregaspa: ocaml-reins cannot built because it lacks latest omake. I have opened bug 406336.12:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 406336 in omake "[3.11.1 transition][round 4/6] Please synchronize omake 0.9.8.5-3-6 from Debian unstable into Karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40633612:59
dmentregaspa: Otherwise, round 3 and 4 are finished.12:59
dmentregaspa: http://bentobako.org/ubuntu-ocaml-status/transition_monitor/ocaml_transition_monitor.html  (ocaml-libvirt is postponed to round 5)13:08
dmentregaspa: I'll prepare bug for round 5 without subscribing *-sponsors at first.13:09
RainCTIf anyone's bored, http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/python-fusepy needs a review.13:12
* slytherin runs away from python13:13
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gaspadmentre: i already did (about sync for omake)13:18
dmentregaspa: cool! :-)13:19
gaspahttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/omake/+bug/40630513:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 406305 in omake "Sync omake 0.9.8.5-3-6 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,Confirmed]13:20
dmentregaspa: opened bug 406351. Should I subscribe univers-sponsors?13:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 406351 in ocaml-batteries "[3.11.1 transition][round 5/6] Please synchronize following packages from Debian sid in Karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40635113:20
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Zhenechhyperair, huh?13:21
hyperairZhenech: geany-plugins!13:21
hyperair=p13:21
Zhenechhyperair, work!13:21
hyperairhaha i see. =)13:22
* hyperair makes sure to enjoy the rest of his holidays13:22
hyperairit's ending soon =\13:22
dmentregaspa: no package relies on ocaml-reins for round 5.13:23
dmentregaspa: Ok, just seen you marked my bug as duplicate (for omake). Thanks.13:29
Laneygaspa: http://cs.nott.ac.uk/~ial/graph.pdf13:50
Laneylets-a-goooo13:50
gaspawooooo :D13:50
gaspaoh my...13:51
gaspaLaney: what does it mean red or green?13:51
Laneyuninstallable13:52
Laneychecking why ghc6 is red....13:52
Laneyoh, yeah that explains it13:53
Laneyhold on...13:54
gaspaLaney: good, how much will you refresh it?13:56
* Laney shrugs13:56
LaneyI could cron it I guess13:56
Laneygaspa: have another look, few more green now13:57
gaspaok13:58
Laneyright, I'll email ubuntu-devel and then we can get started now I guess13:59
gaspaLaney: could we generalize thIs tools? I mean, give in input a package, two version that specify the running transition , and it give all the package involved?14:00
Laneyit's a bit ghc specific now, but for similar transitions it would be alright14:00
Laneydarcs get alioth:/darcs/pkg-haskell/tools14:01
gaspacould I take a look at sources?14:01
gasparight ;)14:01
LaneyI did some hax to make it work with ubuntu14:01
gaspathanks.14:02
dmentregaspa: Regarding generic transition tool, Stéphane Glodu of ocaml_transition_monitor also wants to make such a generic tool14:07
Laneywe just have some ad-hoc scripts right now really14:07
Laneybtw edos-debcheck is sexy14:08
hyperairwhat's that do?14:10
hyperairooh. that's pretty darn cool!14:10
gaspaLaney: I love edos-builddebcheck even more ;)14:14
slytherinttx: If I add a .desktop file, is the package good to go in?15:05
ttxslytherin: works for me. The messages are pasted are just warnings ?15:05
ttxs/s are/s I/15:05
slytherinttx: I have added explanation on revu. :-)15:06
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ttxslytherin: ok15:07
slytherinJAVA_CMD warning is non-issue. There is nothing I can do for other warning and it does not seem to cause any problem in functionality.15:08
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blackmoonhi, "XSBC-Original-Maintainer" it's not recognized in ubuntu?15:41
blackmoon...i mean inside a control file for .deb package15:42
dmentregaspa: regarding the merge (or at least the modified package) for ocaml-libvirt, should I open a separate bug or keep it in bug 40635115:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 406351 in ocaml-batteries "[3.11.1 transition][round 5/6] Please synchronize following packages from Debian sid in Karmic" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40635115:43
dmentre?15:43
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geserdmentre: I'd remove the part about ocaml-libvirt from the summary, so this bug is about syncs only and open a new bug for ocaml-libvirt and provide a debdiff with the needed changes against latest version in debian and subscribe the sponsoring team15:56
kigougwhy isn't sshfs installed by default16:05
kigouganyone alive in here?16:06
dmentregeser: ok, I'll do that16:15
dmentregeser: done in bug 406351 and partially done in bug 406434 (no debdiff yet)16:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 406351 in ocaml-batteries "[3.11.1 transition][round 5/6] Please synchronize following packages from Debian sid in Karmic" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40635116:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 406434 in ocaml-libvirt "[3.11.1 transition][round 5/6] Please merge source package ocaml-libvirt from Debian sid in Karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40643416:23
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alkisgI'm using Prism (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/prism) for some educational apps. The ubuntu version is really old (2007). Is there anyway I can help getting a newer version into Ubuntu?16:43
alkisgThe newer prism packages from the mozilla daily build ppa work fine: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa16:43
alkisgI don't know why Karmic still has the ancient 2007 prism package...16:43
paulliuHi all. Freeflying helped me uploading 'anjal' today but we didn't receive any mail about accepted/rejected. It seems really strange.16:44
paulliuFreeflying is my sponsor.16:45
freeflyingpaulliu: I think you shall apply for MOTU :)16:45
paulliufreeflying: I will. Thank you.16:46
alkisgfta: sorry for the direct question, I see that you uploaded the prism packages in the mozilla daily build ppa, any chances of getting some recent prism version to karmic (or karmic+1)?16:48
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ftaasac, ^^17:06
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ftaalkisg, well, i don't know, i remember we still had a few things in the todo list17:07
alkisgfta: But afaik 0.8 had many many more issues, so 0.99 would be vastly better, even if the TODOs weren't realized in time for karmic (or +1)...17:08
asacfta: todo list ... prism is not in any spec at least.17:08
asacbut we can surely update it ... or are there any problems?17:08
ftaasac, we have a spec for the webapps from uds17:08
* alkisg had problems with 0.8 and used the moz daily build ppa to solve them :)17:09
asacfta: did we have a session for that? uds barcelona?17:09
asacso the main spec i am working on wrt to mozilla is https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.517:10
asacwe could put it in the "porting" pot17:10
asac;)17:11
ftaasac, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/prism-applications17:11
* asac notices that pot might not be the right english word ;)17:11
asachmm ... seems to be ok17:11
ftahttps://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-prism-webapp-repository17:11
asacfta: oh right that was rainct17:11
RainCTasac, fta: hey, what's up?17:12
asacRainCT: hi17:12
asacRainCT: can we do something for that spec this cycle? maybe in a reduced form?17:12
* asac checks the code17:13
alkisgBtw, Ubuntu version of Prism 1.0b2: http://browsing.justdiscourse.com/2009/07/29/ubuntu-version-of-prism-10b2/17:14
RainCTasac: Well, it's not something particularly difficult so it should be possible to get something working before feature freeze, but I've got almost nothing done so far because I'm busy with GSoC.17:15
asaci think our 0.99 package either is 1.0b2 or is even ahead17:15
asacRainCT: oh GSoC ... what are you working on?17:15
RainCTasac: Integrating Zeitgeist into GNOME Shell :)17:15
asacnice17:15
asacRainCT: so whats the status of the current code ...17:16
asac?17:16
asac(prism=17:16
asac)17:16
asacok seems we have the main window17:16
alkisgI don't know about 0.99 vs 1.0b2, but a developer in #prism made it this morning as a result of me bugging him ;)17:16
asacRainCT: how would you envision to integrate that in prism? e.g. add to the prism main app? or somewhere else?17:17
asacalkisg: maybe you wasted his time then :-P17:17
alkisgCould be... :)17:17
asaclet me check if i can figure that quick17:18
alkisgThe problem was, I've made about 30 flash/html based educational apps work with prism, but the webapp.js in 0.8 was almost totally useless17:18
RainCTasac: I thought of it as an application which replaces Prism's menu entry (making the real prism still accessible using a button in it)17:18
ftahmm.. May 18 13:03:24 *       plasticmillion has changed the topic to: Prism 1.0 beta is now live at http://prism.mozilla.com || http://developer.mozilla.org/en/Prism || http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozillasvn/source/projects/webrunner/trunk/17:19
asacfta: seems that didnt go to trunk then? our daily isnt bumped for a while as it seems17:19
asacoh dejavu17:19
ftamaybe they moved trunk..17:19
asaci think we already talked about it17:19
RainCTasac: but the current code is rather inexistant (there's just enough code to draw this http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5802/prism.png :P)17:21
asacRainCT: how did the entry get into that window? i dont have it here ;)17:22
RainCTasac: Heh. Pull.17:23
alkisg(asac, btw, whenever you want more feedback or testing for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/391040 I'm here :))17:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 391040 in network-manager "When eth0 is unmanaged, system connections for other NICs aren't displayed nor used" [Medium,Triaged]17:23
asacalkisg: have you checked the trunk builds i provided?17:24
asacalkisg: are you on karmic?17:25
alkisgasac, no, will do in a few hours. In your ppa?17:25
alkisgI can test in karmic or jaunty17:25
asacalkisg: https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk17:25
asacspecial ppa for trunk (e.g. nm 0.8)17:25
asacfor jaunty this pulls in a bunch of other backports ... but it was confirmed to work17:25
alkisgThanks, I'll try them and report back17:25
asacif you dont fear some bustage as you want to upgrade anyway you could try jaunty. otherwise check after karmic upgrade17:25
asacalkisg: those packages backported are a bit risky as its low level stuff surrouding udev ... i dont think it will be a problem. just want to warn you17:26
asacbetter backup stuff for worst case scenario17:26
alkisgOK. I'll try in karmic first, jaunty later (cause some teachers that use jaunty will need that backport)17:26
RainCTI'll have 10 days after GSoC and until Feature Freeze, but won't be at home that time (and my connection will be my 3G phone with a pay-per-MB rate) so I don't know if I'll be able to do much.17:27
asacalkisg: yeah. just dont put your teachers on that ppa for now. at least not auto upgrade from it ;)17:28
asacthats pretty experimental ppa17:28
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alkisgasac: No no if the testing is OK, I'll copy the packages over to my ppa17:28
alkisgWe have a central ppa for such things. Launchpad is very handy :)17:29
alkisg(we = greek teachers using linux)17:29
ScottKAnyone wants to merge opencv or xdelta3, please go ahead.17:30
ScottKWho is coordinating the ghc6 transition?17:33
DktrKranzScottK: it's Laney17:35
ScottKDktrKranz: Thanks.17:36
ScottKLaney: Does a geordi upload need to be coordinated with the transition?  If so would you add it to your list and push it to boost 1.38 at the appropriate time?17:36
asacok its confirmed. the prism we have is ahead of 1.0b217:43
asacalkisg:17:43
asac^17:43
asache just forgot to commit the version bump17:43
alkisgNice, but it would be even nicer if it was scheduled for karmic :)17:43
alkisgThank you asac17:44
asacalkisg: i talked to him. we will do a _real_ 1.0b2 release now and then i can upload17:44
blackmoon_hi, "XSBC-Original-Maintainer" inside a coontrol file,  is not recognized in ubuntu?17:44
alkisgPerfect!17:44
blackmoon_no one?17:53
LaneyScottK: what needs to be done?17:56
ScottKLaney: It's a ghc6 package.  It also uses boost.  Just need to push the boost build-dep and depends to 1.38.17:58
LaneyAlright, noted17:58
ScottKThanks.17:58
LaneyScottK: Is an unversioned dep not enough?18:02
Laneyalthough I see 1.53 as an alternate18:02
Laney1.3518:02
ScottKLaney: If it was our only Ubuntu change, I'd live with libboost-dev, but until we can otherwise sync, it's better to be specfic I think.18:04
ScottKWe're trying to kill off 1.35.18:04
Laneyright18:04
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ScottKhyperair: Would you please update sigx to use boost1.38 instead of 1.35.18:29
ScottKDktrKranz: Would you please do the same with csound?18:31
fabrice_spHi, bug #337337 has been closed in Karmic, and I've added the 'jaunty' task so that this bug could be processed as SRU. Can some MOTU check the status of this bug is ok as a SRU? I've followed the instruction of the SRU wiki page.18:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 337337 in mountmanager "mountmanager crashed with SIGSEGV in QGridLayout::rowCount()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33733718:34
hyperairScottK: okay.18:40
ScottKhyperair: Thanks.18:40
hyperairScottK: actually it's updated in debian already. could you sync it?18:41
ScottKhyperair: I can't.  Please file a bug using the normal process then.18:41
hyperairhmm okay18:41
DktrKranzScottK: I'll have a look18:51
DktrKranz(but after autoconf mess)18:52
ScottKDktrKranz: Thanks.18:52
DktrKranzanyone noticed strange build failures since today's autoconf upload?18:53
kklimondahey guys, I need a sponsor for bug 405569 - We have already sync'd pitivi from debian experimental and it's uninstallable18:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 405569 in gnonlin "Sync gnonlin 0.10.11.2-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40556918:56
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DktrKranzScottK: is depending on libboost-dev good?19:12
DktrKranz(build-depending, in case of csound)19:12
ScottKDktrKranz: I think it's better to specify the version, but not worth maintaining a diff if that's the only change.19:14
DktrKranzI'd merge it from Debian, they currently have libboost-dev, and I need to take Ubuntu changes, is it fine to move to 1.38?19:15
shane_hey can anyone here help me get started at working towards joining Motu19:29
ScottKDktrKranz: It should be.  Just test build and make sure nothing unfortunate results.19:31
ScottKshane_: Lots of people here can, but we generally do better with specific questions.19:31
shane_Scottk_: Just looking for info as to exactly were to start, packaging or bug?19:32
ScottKI think that generally working on bug fixing first is better.  To do a new package you need to know a fair amount about all aspects of packaging.19:33
ScottK!development19:33
ubottuInterested in becoming an Ubuntu Developer? Get started here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment19:33
shane_ok so should I subscribe to Motu mailing list then or just focus on Bugsquad?19:34
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ScottKshane_: It's up to you.19:53
ScottKBugsquad is more about triaging bugs than trying to get them fixed.19:53
shane_sdf19:59
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DktrKranzScottK: I'll probably wait for csound. I'd like to talk with maintainers to include some of Ubuntu changes before merging/changing it again.20:59
ScottKDktrKranz: OK.  It'd be better to get rid of 1.35 sooner rather than later though.21:00
DktrKranzhow many packages still remain?21:01
ScottKA handful.21:02
ScottKMost should be taken care of in the next week.21:02
ScottKKDE 4.3 release next week will wide out 3.21:02
DktrKranzOk, I could eventually manage a quick upload only with boost1.38, just to speed things up21:02
* ScottK just uploaded some and has one more test building.21:02
ScottKDktrKranz: I'll ping you if it gets down to you.21:02
DktrKranzit builds and I've not seen anything completely wrong21:03
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DktrKranzScottK: uploading csound21:29
ScottKDktrKranz: Thanks.21:36
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RoAkSoAxHey guys one lil question. Debian has disabled a package by commenting everything for that package on debian/control. Now, on the Ubuntu side of things, changes were made for Build-Depends on that disabled package. No, since the package has been disabled, should I continue to apply the Ubuntu changes?22:30
sebnerRoAkSoAx: what's the reason for disabling it?22:31
RoAkSoAxsebner, According to the Debian: "Redisable gcjwebplugin for all architectures, since the security issues are not considered to be adequately resolved for lenny and the icedtea-gcjwebplugin is now available (closes: #267040)"22:32
RoAkSoAxsebner, this has been disabled for lenny, which meant that Jaunty had the same change. However, they were still applying Ubuntu changes to the disabled package.22:34
sebnerRoAkSoAx: generally we shouldn't differ that much from debian but if the ubuntu changes are important they should be preserved for the time the packages comes back *if* it comes back22:35
RoAkSoAxsebner, ok I'll keep them, and the changes are changing to firefox instead of iceweasel22:36
RoAkSoAxand adding a Recommends22:36
sebnerkk22:36
RoAkSoAx:)22:37
RoAkSoAxthanks22:38
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ScottKIf that's the only changes (related to the disabled package), I'd sync it myself.22:43
RoAkSoAxScottK, well that actually was one of a series of changes :)22:47

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