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LjLhi... if anyone happened to wonder about bestbot (or metabot - doubt it), my server got fried by something so i'm not sure when it'll be back up00:03
PiciI sent you a memo about it a bit ago00:07
LjLPici: yeah i saw it, much later though, it was back up by then00:08
PiciLjL: Oh, its down again then.00:08
LjLthat time it was just a full HD, i'm bound to notice that sooner or late00:08
LjLthis time it's just not turning on :)00:08
LjLwell, more like :(, but anyway00:08
Picioooh00:08
LjLPici: it's why i was chatting from the cellphone earlier00:08
LjLnow, as i was trying to say on t9, i've managed to use an eeepc as if it were a wireless router, somehow00:09
LjLi just hope my server's HD is ok00:09
PiciPricey: Er.. you never set -r, can I?00:11
PiciLjL: yeah, me too.00:11
LjLPici: i suggest you do, there's a few fellows in -unregged :P00:12
PiciLjL: Thats why I was asking ;)00:12
FlannelUbottu 2.0 being written in python again?  Is it just going to be another supybot plugin?00:14
ubottuI'll remember that, Flannel00:14
Flannelblah00:14
Flannelfind 2.000:14
Flanneler, I'll fix it in a query00:14
Piciubottu: forget Ubottu 2.0 being written in python again?00:14
ubottuI know nothing about Ubottu 2.0 being written in python again? yet, Pici00:14
Picibleh00:14
jpds!2.0 being written in python again?00:14
ubottu2.0 being written in python again? is it just going to be another supybot plugin?00:14
jpdsHaha.00:15
Flannelubottu: forget 2.0 being written in python again?00:15
ubottuI'll forget that, Flannel00:15
LjLalright, have fun00:16
PiciFlannel: There hasn't been a discussion about how the bot's code would change at the moment, but we had discussed using django for the web ui00:16
LjLdon't fry servers00:16
FlannelPici: I'm just worried about the bot itself.  If I'm starting out on another plugin, should I write it for supybot? or for whatever we're going to use in the future?00:17
Flannelconsidering I know nothing about supybots plugin system (or any other bots), nows the time to change! ;)00:17
PiciFlannel: Well, we haven't discussed changing the factoid system at this point in time.00:18
Flannelalright, just all the other stuff.00:18
FlannelSounds good, what I needed to know.00:18
* Flannel should've just asked in -ircbots-team00:19
zhxkhello01:38
Picizhxk: How can we help you?01:43
zhxkmay i back to ubuntu?01:46
Picizhxk: I need to discuss the situation with some of the other operators.01:50
Picinalioth, Pricey or jussi01, could one of you look at Mystic (n=Mystic@94.23.22.190). Its a bot idling in a lot of our channels, is this something for staff or do we have to go around an remove from each one?02:34
rwwHello operator people! The second URL in !mailserver is incorrect; I submitted a replacement a few hours ago that probably should be applied :)02:34
naliothPici: feel free to remove it from all #ubuntu-space02:36
Vantraxanyone know why I would be getting a fair amount of messages saying #ubuntu-unregged?05:29
elkymessages from whom, and saying what exactly?05:30
elkypastebin if there's lots.05:30
Vantraxsaying exactly "#ubuntu-unregged" from 6 different nicks05:31
elkyi've got no idea and cannot find anything out without knowing what nicks.05:32
elkyyou were at one point in that channel. it usually happens when there's a mass-join from a botnet for example. it could possibly have been something the botnet was doing.05:34
elkyby 'it usually happens' i mean, 'people get sent there usually'05:35
elkyi cant be more precise without more information.05:36
Vantraxhrm, looks like a botnet originating from liken0ther.no-ip.biz05:55
Vantraxnicks I still have were gokturk_, msds1502, Spykemcc, surplusxmas,  uknow05:56
elkyVantrax, as per your comment in #canonical-sysadmin, which channels have comcast illinois blocked within the #*buntu* namespace.06:28
bazhangmibbit is allowed on freenode again? or was that just a ban to the #freenode channel07:07
naliothbazhang: what?where?07:07
bazhangnalioth, * mib_q42pz5ln (i=d2d40558@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/session) has joined #ubuntu07:09
bazhang7 or so minutes ago07:09
naliothinteresting07:10
naliothwe need to take mibbit out of the floodbots07:16
Myrttihmmm why?07:17
ikoniajust stop the excempting ?07:17
naliothikonia: yes07:17
Myrttiwhy?07:18
naliothMyrtti: mibbit is not welcome here on freenode for reasons i can't go into, but i'm sure you'd agree with07:18
naliothand i'm quite sure you can think of some, yourself07:18
Myrttinalioth: er. logic fallacy07:18
naliothatm, mibbit is slipping through the cracks and joining the network07:18
naliothMyrtti: think what you could do with peoples passwords07:19
MyrttiI thought *Ubuntu* and especially #ubuntu had nothing against mibbit just as long as it comes through floodbots. Surely it's not an issue that can be solved with taking the excempts from the floodbots, but with Freenode doing their magic? And, there's gazillion and one Ubuntu IRC channels that don't have a problem with mibbit, or don't have floodbots. We're to forget them and just play charades that #ubuntu is the one and only channel we manage?07:21
MyrttiI can think of what I can do with peoples passwords, but then again, it seems to me to be more of an issue to be solved by the network, not by operators of a single, albeit big, channel07:22
MyrttiI know Freenode staff folks are busy doing their magic and all, but isn't "lets solve the problem by removing the excempt from the floodbots" a bit like climbing to a tree ass first?07:23
Myrttinoting also that if the floodbots didn't have the excemption in place, this whole thing might have not even be noticed that easy07:24
nalioth:)07:24
Myrtticorrect me if I'm wrong.07:24
naliothwell, freenode didn't cut 'em off w/o some very good reasons07:25
MyrttiI thought they did.07:25
* nalioth removes the double negatives07:25
MyrttiI seem to remember a big outcry by several people couple weeks ago07:25
Myrtti"oh noes, no mibbit anymore"07:25
naliothfreenode had some very good reasons to cut mibbit off07:25
naliothsome of which are viewable on the freenode blog07:26
Myrttiso we're to micromanage freenode now?07:26
naliothforget i said anything07:27
bazhangfixing mbr is a Ubuntu issue?07:35
Myrttiif it's been "broken" by Ubuntu or an attempt to uninstall it... IIRC07:36
bazhangokay thanks for the clarification, never had that issue myself07:36
Myrttime neither, but I've also never uninstalled it07:37
bazhangseems they are recommending piracy to fix it07:37
ubottuGrant-A called the ops in #ubuntu ()07:54
elkygrant-a hopefully incoming08:00
jussi01why hopefully?08:02
elkybecause it'd avoid polluting #u08:02
jussi01oh meh. I dont want to see him in here anytime soon.08:03
elkyjussi01, i'd rather him here than confusing the #u crowd08:03
Myrttioh christ, I should be at the laundrette08:07
Myrttiplease handle jacques whoever08:12
MyrttiI need to *go*08:12
jacquesdupontdhi08:12
* Myrtti runs to the laundrette08:12
elkyjacquesdupontd, hi, have you read the guidelines for the ubuntu channels yet?08:13
jacquesdupontdok i'm mainly here to help but sometimes i have a human feeling to speak with people from all around the world, isn't linux all about sharing ? yes then i'll join off-topic08:13
elkysharing is one thing. oversharing and misbehaving is another.08:13
jacquesdupontdelky, be sure that i know it it makes 5 years that i'm in ubuntu community08:14
elkyright, and when in that 5 years did 'being offtopic and ranting about drunkeness in #ubuntu' become acceptable?08:14
jacquesdupontdelky, i agree but don't make be the guy passing in front of justice that's ok i didn't hurt anybody and there was no problem to solve and i excuse myself for that08:14
jacquesdupontdelky, the thing is that i was mainly on the fr channel but i mostly prefer world channel08:15
jacquesdupontdelky, anyway i agree you there is rules08:16
elkyjacquesdupontd, i just want to know that you're going to behave by the guidelines and be fair to the other chatters who are looking for help, not your current blood alcohol level.08:16
jacquesdupontdelky, it was a joke my blood alcohol (that you seems to dislike a lot) is ok i could drive without having penalities08:17
jacquesdupontdand i'll be fair08:17
jacquesdupontdthat's what i like to do08:17
elkyis that fair to people who are frustrated and looking for help with their computers?08:17
jacquesdupontdas i do my other works on the computer08:17
jacquesdupontdelky, it's not but there was nobody otherwise i would have tried to help as always08:18
jacquesdupontdas i have been helped and i respect that a lot08:18
elkyin the future, avoid it even if it looks ok. in the meantime, jussi says he's lifted the mute, so you can continue with the actual topic of #ubuntu now.08:19
jacquesdupontdok thx, btw can we talk about ubuntu just a bit here ?08:19
jacquesdupontdi see there's update on jaunty08:19
jacquesdupontdabout kernel08:19
jacquesdupontdi putted 29 but this is an update for the 28-1408:20
naliothjacquesdupontd: perhaps #ubuntu-kernel or #ubuntu-offtopic ?08:20
jacquesdupontdwich is logic08:20
elkyjacquesdupontd, the irc team doesn't make development decisions.08:20
jussi01jacquesdupontd: yeah, we arent support in here ;)08:20
jacquesdupontdhaha08:20
jacquesdupontdok08:21
jacquesdupontdmake me op then could be a big big progression in 10 minutes08:21
bazhang?08:21
jacquesdupontd"joke" i go back to my #ubuntu channel08:21
jussi01jacquesdupontd: now now, read the topic ;)08:21
jacquesdupontdi read it and noticed there was nothing on xubuntu08:22
jacquesdupontdas it disapeared ?08:22
bazhang#xubuntu is the channel08:22
jussi01jacquesdupontd: there is an xubuntu channel, #xubuntu08:22
jacquesdupontdok etc..08:22
jussi01!idle | jacquesdupontd08:22
ubottujacquesdupontd: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.08:22
jacquesdupontdthx see ya08:22
Myrttiback for 15 mins08:46
Myrttinnnggghhhhghghghghghghghghg http://paste.ubuntu.com/235718/08:59
Myrttiwhy do I IRC? Why do I bother trying to help the community with the about only way I can?09:01
Myrttiit's not getting me anywhere09:01
MyrttiI feel like banging my head to the wall every single day09:01
Myrttiendless stream of frustration09:02
* Myrtti fears for the answer10:38
MyrttiI knew it10:40
* popey wonders if he has someone accidentally on /ignore of if Myrtti really is talking to herself10:43
popeys/of/or10:43
Myrttipopey: looking at #ubuntu and banging my head to the wall10:43
popeyah, standard operating procedure then10:44
Myrttipopey: "I want to remove windows, how can I do it" "format the drive it's on" "but is it dangerous" "could be" "oh, you've installed Ubuntu with Wubi..."10:44
Myrtti"uh-oh"10:44
popeyhttp://popey.com/blog/2009/07/16/migrating-from-wubi-to-full-ubuntu-install/ :)10:46
* Myrtti needs coffee10:46
Myrttipopey: that's basically the road they're traveling now10:47
MyrttiI need coffee, or I'll fall over and fall asleep10:47
* elky noms expensive icecream10:50
* Mamarok larts elky for giving me unhealthy ideas and dives into the frezer for Mövenpick Maple Walnut10:51
elkyMamarok, it's expensive icecream, which means it tends to last me more than a few days. it' the *healthy* option :P10:52
elkycheaper stuff disappears into milkshakes too easily10:52
Mamarokyeah, my problem is that I can hardly stop when I begin with :(10:52
MyrttiI solve the problem by not buying ice cream ;-) apart from ice lolly now and then10:53
elkyhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/8294638@N02/3751171125/10:53
elkyMyrtti, if i do that, i find myself buying candy instead.10:54
Myrttielky: I don't buy candy either :-D10:55
elkyMyrtti, :(10:55
elkyyour pantry is no fun.10:55
Myrttiyeah, ingredients for pasta, pancakes, curries, casseroles, porridges10:56
Myrttiexpensive coffee and lots of tea10:56
Garycoffee, yes please10:57
Myrttiright now my "candy" of choice is probiotic power shot drink that tastes like strawberry and blueberry10:57
Myrttione a day and I hope the tummy ache doesn't come back10:58
Mamaroklooks yummy10:59
Myrtti@mark11:18
ubottu(mark [<channel>] <nick|hostmask> [<comment>]) -- Creates an entry in the Bantracker as if <nick|hostmask> was kicked from <channel> with the comment <comment>, if <comment> is given it will be uses as the comment on the Bantracker, <channel> is only needed when send in /msg11:18
Myrtti@mark #ubuntu n2diy had a lengthy conversation in pm about the correct place of offtopic discussion. Fun is bending and breaking the rules, and we'll strangle #ubuntu to death if we try to keep #ubuntu support only11:19
ubottuThe operation succeeded.11:19
elkyright, so if we try to keep #ubuntu "support only" it will fail to be "support only"?11:33
elkyi'm confused here.11:33
* gnomefreak even more so ;)11:33
Myrttielky: I got quite tired and frustrated at the end11:34
elkyMyrtti, i'm tired just trying to parse the logic.11:34
bazhangat least he's honest11:35
* Myrtti takes her emp and changes the battery on it11:36
elkyMyrtti, um... asking eye colour in -ot11:38
elkyi ask... why?11:38
MyrttiI have no idea11:38
ikoniamine are blue if anyone is interested11:39
elkyikonia, share that with -ot :)11:39
ikoniathere we go, now all are aware11:40
elkyikonia, oddly despite your surname making me *think* of Mr Darcy from P&P, I have for some reason always pictured you blond and blueeyed11:40
elkyi have no clue why11:40
ikoniait's the truth11:40
elkymaybe you said some other time in the past11:40
ikoniamost people are dissapointed that I am the oposite of Mr Darcy11:40
MyrttiMr. Darcy ♥11:40
ikonianow I can dissapoint Myrtti11:41
* Myrtti watched P&P three times during the weekend11:41
Myrttithe series, not the movie, I might add11:41
ikoniaMyrtti: there is an event in Bath each weekend "have tea with Mr Darcy"11:41
ikoniaa P&P tea party11:41
Myrttioooo11:41
bazhangincoming11:42
Myrttiwatching English period dramas just caught me by surprise that I'm planning moving to UK11:42
topylihmm iirc mr. darcy wasn't even a particularly nice guy11:42
Myrttitopyli: he had Finnish relatives.11:42
MyrttiNice, but quite Finnish attitude11:42
topylicertainly finnish11:43
elkyTimmy2Tall, hello there.11:43
bazhangTimmy2Tall, hi11:43
Timmy2TallI need to speak to a supervisor11:43
Myrttiplenty of us here, Timmy2Tall11:43
elkyTimmy2Tall, our appeals process states that you should talk it through here before going "up the ladder"11:43
elky!appeals11:43
ubottuIf you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page.11:43
topyliTimmy2Tall: i trust you know why you're banned11:44
bazhanghe is muted in #ubuntu as well11:45
Timmy2TallHey don't try to use your big words to intimidate me. I know my rights as an american.11:45
Timmy2TallNot really. Why?11:45
elkyTimmy2Tall, your locale has absolutely nothing to do with anything here.11:45
topyliTimmy2Tall: trolling is not allowed. also, irc is not part of the US. you have privileges but no rights11:46
Timmy2TallWell i tried to talk it out. I wanna speak to the Co-founder.11:46
Timmy2TallWhats the next room?11:46
elkyTimmy2Tall, please follow the appeals process as has already been stated to you by ubottu11:47
Timmy2Tallalright. hey can i idle in here11:47
elkywe much rather you didn't idle here, out of consideration for others who need to discuss issues.11:49
elkyTimmy2Tall, so far you've not been cooperative on your own issue though. Maybe you'd like to try.11:49
Timmy2TallYou guys really need a sence of humor. Ever seen Dark Knight? "Why so serious!?, Lets put a smile on that face!"11:49
Timmy2TallWell my issue is that i was wrongfully accused for disrupted a Off-Topic Room in which i was clearly off-topic11:50
elkyTimmy2Tall, how did said accusation differ from what happened?11:51
topyliTimmy2Tall: we can talk about your ban on this channel. our sense of humor has little to do with it11:52
bazhangTimmy2Tall, did you need support in #ubuntu ? I saw offtopic chat and profanity, but no actual support question11:53
Timmy2TallWell for one I was banned without warning, i was un-aware of my crimes(if any) to begin with. I truly beleave this was a conflict of intrest pertaining to me.11:53
Timmy2TallOh i had a topic, i asked about firefox and was then silenced for my question..as if i was a prisoner with a number that had spoken up without permission11:54
bazhangTimmy2Tall, you are currently only muted in #ubuntu11:54
Timmy2TallMy profanity was justified.11:54
Timmy2TallI'm a sailor11:55
bazhangTimmy2Tall, how is firefox made is hardly a support question11:55
Myrttino profanity is justified in Ubuntu channels.11:55
Myrttiand I call for troll.11:55
Timmy2TallYah and Myrtti called me a troll11:55
topyliTimmy2Tall: for the record, you were not banned without warning. you were advised several times on -offtopic to familiarise yourself with the guidelines of the channel11:55
topyliby at least two different people too11:55
MyrttiTimmy2Tall: for what I understand, you're to cause nothing but trouble, knowingly, with no intention to use any of the Ubuntu IRC channels according to the guidelines and rules11:56
bazhangTimmy2Tall, you came in with profanity, then went to -offtopic channel with the same. you were banned then returned to ubuntu and continued offtopic, profanity etc11:56
gnomefreakfirefox isnt made its written and for that question you might look for a firefox channel (cant remember what server its on atm) i havent been in there in a few months11:56
Timmy2TallSo Firefox & ubunto have no link to one another what so ever?11:56
gnomefreakeither way not a support question11:56
MyrttiTimmy2Tall: ubuntu happens to have firefox as the default browser, but it could be midori, epiphany or chromium as well.11:56
gnomefreakTimmy2Tall: the way its packaged it does. join #ubuntu-mozillateam to continue this further after you have finished with the oither ops and your crimes. i also agree with them on why you were muted11:57
Timmy2TallHow long am i muted for?11:57
bazhangif he resolves this and knows to remain on topic (minus the profanity) I have no problems lifting the mute11:58
Timmy2TallI can do that. I'm actually intrested in learning more about this ubunto you speak of.11:58
topyliyour ban will be removed once we think it will be safe to do so11:58
bazhangTimmy2Tall, we need assurances you wont continue as before11:58
Timmy2TallI've got 5 bucks on me, i dont know how much there paying you guys but 5 bucks is 5 bucks right?11:59
Timmy2TallSeems like a good enough inssurance11:59
gnomefreakTimmy2Tall: ubunto?11:59
Myrttiit looks like a troll, it smells like a troll, it walks like a troll and it talks like a troll11:59
bazhangokay never mind.11:59
gnomefreakbazhang: Timmy2Tall please hold that thought11:59
gnomefreakdamnit11:59
gnomefreakbazhang: and topyli please hold that thought11:59
bazhanggnomefreak, sure11:59
Timmy2TallDont call me a troll gnome11:59
gnomefreakTimmy2Tall: i didnt12:00
gnomefreakTimmy2Tall: i asked you a question im waiting for an answer12:00
Timmy2TallYou told me to hold that thought12:00
Timmy2Tallubuntu*12:01
gnomefreakTimmy2Tall: i meant topyli not you autocompletion error12:01
gnomefreakok thanks. i agree with topyli on when it should be removed.12:02
Timmy2TallHow do you guys know it will be safe?12:02
* gnomefreak still has a strange feeling but hey could be yesterdays lunch12:03
gnomefreakTimmy2Tall: we see all12:03
elkyTimmy2Tall, we've been doing this stuff for years. We Know.12:03
Timmy2TallCan you see what im doing right now?12:03
elkyright now, you're typing at a keyboard and looking at a computer screen.12:03
Timmy2TallThis is like something straight out of the twilight zone.12:03
bazhangsee no need to lift the mute.12:04
topyliTimmy2Tall: i can see what you are *not* doing. you're not trying to assure us that you will behave in the future12:04
bazhangshould be ban?12:04
Timmy2TallI was just being sarcastic12:04
Timmy2Tallgeez12:04
Myrttibazhang: mute is fine for now12:04
bazhangMyrtti, okay thanks. have to step away for a minute12:04
MyrttiTimmy2Tall: sarcasm doesn't translate well over internet12:05
elkyheck, it often doesn't even translate in meatspace.12:06
Timmy2Talllol touche12:06
Timmy2TallHey anyone of you guys know a good remedy for reducing the itch of a bug bite?12:07
Timmy2TallWait12:07
Timmy2TallI do have one question12:07
elkyAloe.12:08
Timmy2TallIt has nothing to pertain to ubuntu but i'll make you a deal if you anwser. I'll leave all ubuntu chats at peace and never return.12:08
Timmy2TallHere's my question.12:09
topylideal eh?12:09
Timmy2TallWhen calling a cell phone, if it goes directly to voice mail. what does it mean?12:09
* gnomefreak agrees with Myrtti 12:09
elkyTimmy2Tall, that varies on the cell phone settings and the carrier. We cannot give a definitive answer.12:09
gnomefreakmight i suggest noone answers that question :( too late12:10
Timmy2TallAT&T12:10
elkywe still cannot give a definitive answer.12:10
Timmy2Tallahh c'mon guys, u all seem like smart ppl12:10
topyliTimmy2Tall: if you have no further issues with the ban, please leave the channel, since this channel is for operator business only12:10
Timmy2Talldamn talk about a stick in the mud. fine l8r guys.12:11
gnomefreakfor at&t i can however i wont. this question has some sort of back end to it12:11
Timmy2Tallhuh?12:11
Myrttihooray!12:12
gnomefreaknoone just asks that question while defending actions12:12
* gnomefreak leaning torwards troll12:12
bazhanghehe12:12
elkyonly leaning?12:13
Myrttiit was clear from the start he had nothing but troublemaking in his mind12:13
bazhanghe had a very not nice entry to #ubuntu and -ot12:13
elkyi mean, seriously. he joins a channel with 'hi bitches' and when told to not be rude, changes it to 'hi shit-heads'.12:13
Myrtti[13:35] < Myrtti> Timmy2Tall: did you come here to discuss or cause trouble?12:13
Myrtti[13:35] < Timmy2Tall> Oh i'm looking for trouble!12:13
Myrttibingo!12:13
gnomefreaknow -mozillateam but hes easy to ban since -ops has nothing to do with it :)12:13
gnomefreakwell damn12:13
bazhangwhats with n2diy12:14
gnomefreak;)12:15
gnomefreak.:07:14:24:. <      gnomefreak > Timmy2Tall: dont start with me, im alot  tougher than those ops you spoke to12:15
Myrttiwe had a lengthy conversation earlier and now he's targeting me12:15
bazhangI read that, but he is getting reallly creepy now12:15
Myrttihe is12:15
Myrtti<sarcasm>I just love it when I'm singled out </sarcasm>12:16
gnomefreakn2diy Myrtti?12:16
bazhangin -ot12:17
bazhangremove timmy2tall from #ubuntu ?12:18
elkyMyrtti, please say it outright in -ot.12:18
gnomefreakbazhang: yes12:18
elkybazhang, not unless he is disrupting somehow12:18
bazhangelky, he is muted12:18
gnomefreakbazhang: im about to ban him in -mozillatema12:18
gnomefreakmozillateam even12:18
Myrttibazhang: if he's muted, he's not causing trouble12:18
bazhangMyrtti, true12:18
Myrttibazhang: if he wants to learn about this ubontu, then let him stay12:19
gnomefreakelky: it is clear he is looking for trouble at least what he is going on about in -mozillateam.12:19
Myrttino better place to learn12:19
elkywell mute doesn't necessarily mean no trouble... without naming names here12:19
bazhangtelling me in PM that my actions are un-american12:19
elkybazhang, i'm sure your non-american self is crying in shame too.12:19
bazhangheh12:19
topylihe does know his rights as an american, remember :)12:20
gnomefreakis he the "bad" paddy?12:24
gnomefreakPaddy12:24
bazhangstill the weird cell phone questions12:24
gnomefreakor is he the one that doesnt cause trrouble12:25
bazhanghe varies12:25
gnomefreakand yes i agree it is creepy btw12:25
bazhangtoday is bad12:25
gnomefreakim seeing this12:25
* gnomefreak should know better than to stop working for a day12:26
bazhanghe was banned from -ot for a long stretch previously12:26
topylignomefreak: this paddy isn't our dear paddy1 if that's what you mean12:28
MyrttiI need to go read Jono's burnout slides12:28
bazhangthis is paddy_eire12:28
bazhangnot paddy_melon12:28
gnomefreaktopyli: thanks thats what i menat.12:29
gnomefreakthats not going to work no matter how much i hope12:31
gnomefreakbe back smoke12:31
elkypaddy is usually fine, often borderline and has absolutely no idea how to learn from mistakes12:34
gnomefreakhe helps us test and answer questions so maybe hit did work. i have to check with asac later if it is him12:36
ikoniathe updated for 8.10 and 8.10's whole managment as a project has impressed the hell out of me12:36
gnomefreakikonia: 8.10 ---> 8.1012:37
ikoniayes12:37
ikoniastill getting meaningful updates for it12:38
ikoniaby far the best product and managed ubuntu release I can think of12:38
gnomefreakah that would be 8.10.2 or .3 than12:38
ikonia(although I'm probably blocking out some of the negatives as I'm impressed with it)12:38
ikoniagnomefreak: 8.10 base12:38
gnomefreakikonia: wait for kamic boot time :)12:39
gnomefreak~18secs12:39
ubot3Factoid 18secs not found12:39
ikoniaboot time isn't the decidig factor for me12:39
ikoniano criitical flaws on launch, quick resolution of problems, meaningful updates12:39
ikoniamy only critisism is the backports process but that's a criticisim for every release12:39
* gnomefreak prefers 9.04 to 8.10 and i was wrong 8.10 doesnt have . releases12:40
gnomefreaki was thinking 8.0412:40
ikoniaahh12:41
gnomefreakpaddy left and -ot turned into a nice channel12:42
gnomefreakthats new12:42
gnomefreaktimtall is in -devel asking wine questions :(12:46
* gnomefreak no longer leaning now im sure troll12:47
gnomefreakcan someone with ops in -devel keep an eye on him12:48
ikoniaokey dokey12:49
gnomefreakthe whol;e lets see how it goes before we remove the mute i think is in trash IMHO12:51
gnomefreakwhy me now hes in my PM12:52
popeyhe's also in -uk being silly, but nothing offensive12:55
popeyjust daft12:55
gnomefreakoffensive wasnt the problem it was the offtopic things he said AFAIK and he seems to be moving from one channel to another doing it12:56
* gnomefreak guessing #ubuntu-uk is support12:56
popeyloco channel, so loco stuff12:57
popeyand some support12:57
gnomefreakah12:57
popeynone going on right now though12:57
elkypopey, so he at least learned how to greet people civilly by now?12:59
popeyheh12:59
* elky looks12:59
elkyok, semi-civilly12:59
popeyinane drivel12:59
elkyso like most irc regulars, then13:00
ubottuIn ubottu, janisozaur said: !pl is Na tym kanale używamy tylko języka angielskiego. Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl.13:13
bazhang!pl is <reply> Na tym kanale używamy tylko języka angielskiego. Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl.13:14
ubottuBut pl already means something else!13:14
bazhang!no pl is <reply> Na tym kanale używamy tylko języka angielskiego. Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl.13:15
ubottuI'll remember that bazhang13:15
bazhang!pl13:15
ubottuNa tym kanale używamy tylko języka angielskiego. Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl.13:15
gnomefreakhe asked an almost valid question this time :)13:19
mneptokbazhang: are you sure that means what we hope it means?14:28
bazhangmneptok, heh, yep14:29
mneptokgoodgood14:29
Myrttianyone awake15:50
Myrtticould someone who has more knowledge and intrest point nigell somewhere else from #ubuntu15:50
Myrttinevermind15:52
ikoniawhat's up ?15:52
Myrttioh, he's still on it15:54
Myrttiikonia: he's an university student loaded with ideas...15:54
ikoniayeah , I see15:54
ubottublind|melon|chit called the ops in #ubuntu ()17:20
Myrttizeroone...17:20
Myrttiwhere do I know that17:20
Piciwhat?17:20
PiciHe was banned?17:20
ikoniahe is17:20
Piciikonia: ?17:20
ikoniaI've just booted him17:20
ikoniaor I'm made a terrible mistake17:21
ikonialet me double check that17:21
PiciAlso... I'm going to run to lunch, but I want to discuss zhxk with you. (or however its spelt)17:22
ikoniaand it appears I have, I thought it was paddy_melon again17:22
ikoniaI'll apologies to him now17:22
Myrttiqwyeth: hello, how can we help you?17:23
Myrttiikonia: btw, I didn't ban the asdf-guy17:24
ikonia@mark #ubuntu blind|melon|chit was kicked by mistake (my fault totally) but then took an offensive attitude when I apologiezed publicly17:24
ubottuThe operation succeeded.17:24
qwyethOh, hello!  Actually, the issue that led me here looks like it was already addressed...17:24
ikoniaMyrtti: no problem17:24
qwyethSo is this a non-public channel that I should only join if there's a problem?17:25
Myrttiyou don't really need to join this channel unless you yourself are in trouble17:25
qwyethOK, I see.  Thank you all for responding quickly to the troll posting dangerous sudo commands ^_^17:26
=== Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth
ingcomrbrWhat the hell happened with blind?17:29
ikoniaingcomrbr: hello there17:29
ikoniaingcomrbr: I made a mistake kicking him from the channel17:29
ingcomrbrHello... ikonia17:29
ingcomrbrikonia.. And he was out upset.17:29
ikoniayes, I saw17:30
ingcomrbrwell.. I only sayy that the channel is to help and be helper..17:30
ikoniayes and ?17:30
Myrttiingcomrbr: he was banforwarded to this channel so the situation can be explained to him and that he can be apoligized.17:31
ingcomrbronly I say that was a mistake.. but it was not good17:32
ingcomrbrit is all..17:32
Myrttiwhat was a mistake?17:32
ikoniaingcomrbr: if you noticed I apologies two him twice in the channel17:32
ingcomrbryou kick ut him17:32
ikoniaingcomrbr: before being swore at17:32
ikoniaI made a mistake and apologied twice for it, I %100 agree it was a mistake, no question17:32
ingcomrbrok... no more problem..17:32
ingcomrbrsorry...17:33
ikoniaingcomrbr: I did say this in the channel which is why I can't understand why you kept telling me it was a mistake, that's why I asked you to join here17:33
ingcomrbrok17:33
ikoniathank you for making sure we knew though17:34
ingcomrbrthank you ikonia17:34
ikoniaingcomrbr: anything else you need from this channel ?17:35
ingcomrbrno more.. than you.17:37
ikoniano problem, please leave and re-join #ubuntu, and thank you again17:37
Picijpds: ping18:20
jpdsPici: Hello.18:32
Picijpds: I just got a wiki change notification that p3l|can0 dropped you from being one of the listed contacts for #ubuntu-es, wanted to make you aware in case you are still active there.  You were listed as jpatrick18:34
jpdsNot active.18:34
jpdsStill have ops though.18:34
blind|melon|chitAlright...is there a reason why when I try to /join #ubuntu I wind up here?18:47
Piciblind|melon|chit: Perhaps due to your behavior in #ubuntu prior to you leaving it the last time.18:48
blind|melon|chitPici: You mean being upset for being kickbanned for reporting a racist to the ops?18:49
blind|melon|chitPici: That's a bit vindictive of you18:49
Myrttiblind|melon|chit: you were also apologized18:49
blind|melon|chitMyrtti: Yes and I accepted that apology, so again, why am I here18:49
PiciSorry, but "12:23:19 <blind|melon|chit> ikonia: Nice way to treat people reporting racists in the channel, I'm fucking out of here.18:49
Pici" doesn't look like you accepted.18:49
blind|melon|chitPici: Doesn't look like you have a log of the conversation between me and ikonia either, but hey, don't let that stop you from being abusive.18:50
Myrttioh my...18:50
Piciblind|melon|chit: Er. Enlighten me then.18:50
blind|melon|chitPici: You want to be enlightened? Here you go18:50
stewblind|melon|chit: in what way is Pici being abusive?18:50
blind|melon|chitThat's fine, I know when I'm not wanted. You made your "warning" in #ubuntu-ops when I was just18:50
blind|melon|chit                         trying to help police the channel and when I report a racist I get kickbanned. There's plenty of18:51
blind|melon|chitSorry, that didn't paste right. Again...18:51
Myrttiblind|melon|chit: if you use the ! o p s trigger, it informs about it here, so those people who don't have focus on #ubuntu all the time, know there's problem18:51
Myrttiit's not aimed at you18:52
Myrttiit's a cry for help18:52
blind|melon|chitAlright, from my conversation window with ikonia, for Pici's "benefit":18:52
blind|melon|chitIf it was a mistake, then, there's no reason to apologize, though it is appreciated. And if it was indeed a mistake, then I'll feel free to visit the channel again, but I hope you understand why I won't be reporting any troublemakers to the ops again. This is two bad experiences doing that very thing now.18:52
blind|melon|chitPici: Feeling enlightened yet?18:52
MyrttiI'm confused18:53
Myrttihave you been on this channel earlier today?18:53
blind|melon|chitMyrtti: No, the previous bad experience was about a week or two ago, but that has nothing to do with this situation18:53
Myrttioh, I must've been away then18:54
blind|melon|chitMyrtti: Pici asked if I accepted the apology and I did18:54
Piciblind|melon|chit: It was an accident.  Your nick was similar to someone else who was banned from the channel. That why he removed you.  I suggested that your weren't the same person so.18:54
blind|melon|chitSo again, why am I here18:54
stewblind|melon|chit: please note that as I told you before your language in #ubuntu should remain family friendly  (referring to your exiting comment in #ubuntu today)18:54
Piciblind|melon|chit: Er... because it looked like you didn't accept and we wanted to clarify.18:54
blind|melon|chitPici: Why didn't you PM me instead of redirecting me from the channel, then?18:55
Piciblind|melon|chit: Because you quit?18:55
Pici(power outage here, might need to be pulled away)18:55
blind|melon|chitPici: I was still online, actually18:55
stewblind|melon|chit: also, talking about it here would avoid problems like the one you pointed out where Pici didn't know about a conversaion you had with ikonia18:55
blind|melon|chitstew: I still don't understand why someone would manually redirect me to this channel, the one ikonia told me -not- to join, to tell me why I'm not allowed in #ubuntu18:57
blind|melon|chitI was already told about the "bad language" and I've never seen anyone redirected by the ops to this channel for it.18:57
MyrttiI sense there's a misunderstanding somewhere here18:57
blind|melon|chitThe bad language, by the way, being a result of being unfairly banned18:57
Myrttior a need for starting over18:57
blind|melon|chitMyrtti: I think I'm beginning to understand that the ops of this channel have some kind of bone to pick with me. Considering that I've only ever talked to an op to HELP the channel, I'd really like to know why.18:58
stewblind|melon|chit: there isn't some kind of exception to the language rule like "if you feel like you are being unfairly treated, go ahead and use foul language"18:58
blind|melon|chitstew: Yeah, there's rules against death threats too, it took 16 nickname changes before he was finally banned for that18:59
blind|melon|chitI say one bad word and I get banned from the channel, -after- I leave?18:59
blind|melon|chitYou don't think that's the slightest bit extreme?18:59
stewnot in the slightest, no18:59
blind|melon|chitI didn't think so.18:59
Myrttiyou weren't *banned* per se19:00
Myrttiyou were forwarded here. that is, if you are talking about today19:00
blind|melon|chitI don't want to be in this channel and I'm prevented from joining the one I want to be in, I may as well be banned19:00
blind|melon|chitMaybe you've just redirected me here to test my temper enough that I say something to -get- banned, perhaps?19:01
blind|melon|chitFind an excuse to finally get rid of me?19:01
Myrttiok, I'm backing off since it's not getting anywhere19:01
blind|melon|chitMyrtti: I didn't expect that you'd do anything to rectify the situation so there's no need to announce you're going to ignore it19:01
Myrttithanks for not giving me a chance, then19:02
blind|melon|chitMyrtti: You're welcome. Just trying to make you feel at home.19:02
Piciblind|melon|chit: We're not picking on you. Typically if someone breaks a rule and then quits irc, we forward them here so that we can discuss it when they return.19:03
blind|melon|chitPici: And what's there to discuss?19:04
blind|melon|chitI would think nothing, particularly since ikonia warned me about coming in here and -starting- discussions...now I don't have a choice, apparently.19:05
blind|melon|chitstew: I figured you probably had something to do with this. I was obviously too quick to state that there was still any decency among the Freenode staff. Fine, you don't want me in your channel? I won't visit. Fair enough.19:06
Picierrrrr19:06
PiciI had unbanned him anyway.19:07
Myrttiingratitude and hostility is the pay of the world19:07
Myrttidon't expect anything else.19:07
* Myrtti takes her cynicism and misantrophy away with her and goes to learn coding19:08
jpdsblind|melon|shit: Wait.19:09
popeylatejpds is late19:09
jpdspopey: 'Twas <boredom />19:10
jussi01Attention lads and ladies, IRCC meeting is on sunday, and we want your input into some of the proposals. please read and comment here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil/IRCteamproposal20:20
jussi01!ops | see above please!!!20:21
ubottusee above please!!!: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, , elky,  imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso,  PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia!20:21
ubottujussi01 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (see above please!!!)20:21
genii<grumble grumble>20:24
jussi01now now genii...20:24
geniijussi01: Sorry, just having a generally crappy day20:28
* jussi01 hugs genii20:30
geniiThanks, I actually did need that today.20:31
Myrttigenii: let's cry together20:31
geniiI'll supply the Kleenex20:31
* Myrtti gets the nose balm20:31
MyrttiI'm staying alive by the knowledge that in about 48 hours I'm supplies as many hugs as I can receive20:35
ubottusebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (legend2440  channal promotion)20:36
PiciMisfire ;)20:37
ikoniawow blindmelon has a real attitude problem20:50
ikoniahe's just sent me a pm telling me how my stupid operator friends are fools etc20:51
ikonianot letting him back in20:51
Pici'just'? We had a long conversation here and I had another long conversation with him in private message.20:51
ikonianah, it was waiting for me when I got home20:52
ikoniabad choice of wording20:52
ikonia(on my part)20:52
ikoniahe sent it an hour or so ago20:52
ikoniahis attitude is crazy, I didn't tell him not to join this channel, I told him to leave after he was provoking paddy_melon and the other guy after they had been banned20:53
geniiHehe another misguided recursive chmod of /etc by someone and now they wonder why /etc/sudoers is messed up20:59
PiciSomeone earlier recursively chmodded their root directory :/20:59
geniiOuchies20:59
ikoniaPici: I have a script to fix that, I should make it public21:00
jussi01yes, yes you should!21:00
jussi01:D21:00
ikoniait used to be a common mistake amongst new users so I wrote a script to put it back to default21:00
naliothbless you, ikonia21:01
ikoniaha ha21:01
ikoniait just used to be common in the channel21:01
stewikonia: does your script deal with stuff like permissions of /var/log and /var/run?21:02
ikoniaI think it did /var/log but but not var run as the files under that normally get reset when a services is stopped or started, and its easy to talk someone through removing old run files21:03
jussi01See I wish ubuntu had a permissions correction utility, somewhat the same as apple does...21:03
ikoniait wouldn't touch archive logs as they don't exist on the default install21:03
stewactually, i'm thinking of ownership, not permissions, which i think i harder to fix21:04
ikoniastew: default stuff yes it resets back21:07
Flannel!away > sh4rk8921:21
Mezyeah "See above please" is useful in hilight log22:01
jussi01Mez: and how would have proposed I did that... its a bit long for after the pipe...22:02
jussi01*grumble*22:02
ikoniajlaroche: hello22:03
jlarochehello22:03
ikoniahow can we help ?22:04
Mezjussi01: ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com :P22:04
jlarocheeverything is fine, thanks22:04
jlarochehow are you today?22:04
ikoniagood22:04
MyrttiMez: picking blood from your nose again, I see...22:04
jussi01Mez: coming, but I wanted opinions now, from people in the channel as its only a few days away?22:05
ikoniajlaroche: ahh a knew I recognised your nick name, sorry for being slow22:05
MezMyrtti: ?22:05
ikoniajlaroche: you where forwarded here as you where uncalled for rude in #ubuntu on your last visit22:05
MezMyrtti: if you have something to say, say it. Don't make veiled comments22:05
ikoniajlaroche: so you where redirected to this channel so we could talk about it22:05
MyrttiMez: if you haven't seen the "please stop emailing me or I'll call the cops" emails there lately...22:05
Myrttino, was it Home office22:06
Myrttianyway, I've had fun reading them22:06
ikoniajlaroche: do you recall your last visit to #ubuntu ?22:06
MezMyrtti: home office. And to me its simple. just get someone with access (Pricechild) to unsubscribe him22:08
naliothor visit him and unplug his network22:09
* nalioth runs22:09
jussi01Lets try keep this channel for the operator dicussion shall we?22:09
jussi01I do beleive ikonia is trying to help someone out?22:10
ikoniathank you22:11
ikoniajlaroche: are you still there ?22:11
jlarocheyes22:11
jlarochehad to go downstairs for a minute22:11
jlarochewhats up22:12
ikoniajlaroche: no problem, have you got a log of what I asked ?22:12
jlarochesure22:12
ikoniagreat22:12
jlarochethere is no problem22:12
ikoniaok - well, do you understand how what you said was uncalled for, and quite rude ?22:13
ikonia(I'm assuming you remember your last visit to #ubuntu) ?22:13
jlarochesorry... i also felt that what was said to me was condescending and rude22:13
ikoniajlaroche: I'm not quite sure how asking if you have checked your ports with your network admin (when you are having a port related issue) is rude,22:14
ikoniajlaroche: that said, you do understand there are better ways to express that ?22:14
jlarocheyes22:14
ikoniagreat, so if I remove the forward, I can be confident that you'll express yourself better in future ?22:15
jlarochei will. sorry22:15
ikonianot a problem, hang on for 2 minutes please22:15
CopyWriterhello, i can't seem to connect to the ubuntu channel22:15
ikoniajlaroche: the forward has been removed, you can leave this channel and join #ubuntu. Thanks for coming by and explaining and understanding22:16
jlarochei guess I felt that it was a very windows-type error message response. I could have explained the port setup in detail and I am the only user of the system. just felt very anti- "os for humans"22:16
jlarochesorry22:16
ikoniajlaroche: understand, it's not a problem22:16
ikoniaCopyWriter: you've been forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topic, did you read the topic in that channel ?22:17
CopyWriteryep22:17
CopyWriterdid the port 8001 and everything22:17
CopyWriterdidn't work22:17
MyrttiCopyWriter: have you done the test?22:18
CopyWriter[INFO]Network view for “chat.freenode.net:8001” opened. see22:18
CopyWriterCopyWriter: Sorry, but I am unable to test you (are you using your usual nickname?). Please contact the operators (type « /topic » to find out how). then i get this22:19
Myrtti[00:19] <+FloodBot1> copywriter has been removed from the exploit quarantine22:20
* CopyWriter gasps i've been in quarantine22:20
CopyWriterso can i connect now, what do i have to do22:21
CopyWriteryes it works22:21
CopyWriterthanks guys22:21
CopyWriterwhen i've learnt ubuntu well enough i'll come in here and help out too22:21
CopyWriterlater guys22:22
Myrttibye!22:22
* CopyWriter shrugs22:23
LjLPici: bestbot is back, and so is the server fwiw23:11
Myrtti[01:26]  * LasBuntu pulls the stick out of Myrtti's ass ;)23:27
Myrttiright23:27
PriceyMyrtti: Mez: I unsubscribed that guy.23:35
FlannelPricey: +123:50

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