[00:03] <LjL> hi... if anyone happened to wonder about bestbot (or metabot - doubt it), my server got fried by something so i'm not sure when it'll be back up
[00:07] <Pici> I sent you a memo about it a bit ago
[00:08] <LjL> Pici: yeah i saw it, much later though, it was back up by then
[00:08] <Pici> LjL: Oh, its down again then.
[00:08] <LjL> that time it was just a full HD, i'm bound to notice that sooner or late
[00:08] <LjL> this time it's just not turning on :)
[00:08] <LjL> well, more like :(, but anyway
[00:08] <Pici> oooh
[00:08] <LjL> Pici: it's why i was chatting from the cellphone earlier
[00:09] <LjL> now, as i was trying to say on t9, i've managed to use an eeepc as if it were a wireless router, somehow
[00:09] <LjL> i just hope my server's HD is ok
[00:11] <Pici> Pricey: Er.. you never set -r, can I?
[00:11] <Pici> LjL: yeah, me too.
[00:12] <LjL> Pici: i suggest you do, there's a few fellows in -unregged :P
[00:12] <Pici> LjL: Thats why I was asking ;)
[00:14] <Flannel> Ubottu 2.0 being written in python again?  Is it just going to be another supybot plugin?
[00:14] <Flannel> blah
[00:14] <Flannel> find 2.0
[00:14] <Flannel> er, I'll fix it in a query
[00:14] <Pici> ubottu: forget Ubottu 2.0 being written in python again?
[00:14] <Pici> bleh
[00:14] <jpds> !2.0 being written in python again?
[00:15] <jpds> Haha.
[00:15] <Flannel> ubottu: forget 2.0 being written in python again?
[00:16] <LjL> alright, have fun
[00:16] <Pici> Flannel: There hasn't been a discussion about how the bot's code would change at the moment, but we had discussed using django for the web ui
[00:16] <LjL> don't fry servers
[00:17] <Flannel> Pici: I'm just worried about the bot itself.  If I'm starting out on another plugin, should I write it for supybot? or for whatever we're going to use in the future?
[00:17] <Flannel> considering I know nothing about supybots plugin system (or any other bots), nows the time to change! ;)
[00:18] <Pici> Flannel: Well, we haven't discussed changing the factoid system at this point in time.
[00:18] <Flannel> alright, just all the other stuff.
[00:18] <Flannel> Sounds good, what I needed to know.
[00:19]  * Flannel should've just asked in -ircbots-team
[01:38] <zhxk> hello
[01:43] <Pici> zhxk: How can we help you?
[01:46] <zhxk> may i back to ubuntu?
[01:50] <Pici> zhxk: I need to discuss the situation with some of the other operators.
[02:34] <Pici> nalioth, Pricey or jussi01, could one of you look at Mystic (n=Mystic@94.23.22.190). Its a bot idling in a lot of our channels, is this something for staff or do we have to go around an remove from each one?
[02:34] <rww> Hello operator people! The second URL in !mailserver is incorrect; I submitted a replacement a few hours ago that probably should be applied :)
[02:36] <nalioth> Pici: feel free to remove it from all #ubuntu-space
[05:29] <Vantrax> anyone know why I would be getting a fair amount of messages saying #ubuntu-unregged?
[05:30] <elky> messages from whom, and saying what exactly?
[05:30] <elky> pastebin if there's lots.
[05:31] <Vantrax> saying exactly "#ubuntu-unregged" from 6 different nicks
[05:32] <elky> i've got no idea and cannot find anything out without knowing what nicks.
[05:34] <elky> you were at one point in that channel. it usually happens when there's a mass-join from a botnet for example. it could possibly have been something the botnet was doing.
[05:35] <elky> by 'it usually happens' i mean, 'people get sent there usually'
[05:36] <elky> i cant be more precise without more information.
[05:55] <Vantrax> hrm, looks like a botnet originating from liken0ther.no-ip.biz
[05:56] <Vantrax> nicks I still have were gokturk_, msds1502, Spykemcc, surplusxmas,  uknow
[06:28] <elky> Vantrax, as per your comment in #canonical-sysadmin, which channels have comcast illinois blocked within the #*buntu* namespace.
[07:07] <bazhang> mibbit is allowed on freenode again? or was that just a ban to the #freenode channel
[07:07] <nalioth> bazhang: what?where?
[07:09] <bazhang> nalioth, * mib_q42pz5ln (i=d2d40558@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/session) has joined #ubuntu
[07:09] <bazhang> 7 or so minutes ago
[07:10] <nalioth> interesting
[07:16] <nalioth> we need to take mibbit out of the floodbots
[07:17] <Myrtti> hmmm why?
[07:17] <ikonia> just stop the excempting ?
[07:17] <nalioth> ikonia: yes
[07:18] <Myrtti> why?
[07:18] <nalioth> Myrtti: mibbit is not welcome here on freenode for reasons i can't go into, but i'm sure you'd agree with
[07:18] <nalioth> and i'm quite sure you can think of some, yourself
[07:18] <Myrtti> nalioth: er. logic fallacy
[07:18] <nalioth> atm, mibbit is slipping through the cracks and joining the network
[07:19] <nalioth> Myrtti: think what you could do with peoples passwords
[07:21] <Myrtti> I thought *Ubuntu* and especially #ubuntu had nothing against mibbit just as long as it comes through floodbots. Surely it's not an issue that can be solved with taking the excempts from the floodbots, but with Freenode doing their magic? And, there's gazillion and one Ubuntu IRC channels that don't have a problem with mibbit, or don't have floodbots. We're to forget them and just play charades that #ubuntu is the one and only channel we manage?
[07:22] <Myrtti> I can think of what I can do with peoples passwords, but then again, it seems to me to be more of an issue to be solved by the network, not by operators of a single, albeit big, channel
[07:23] <Myrtti> I know Freenode staff folks are busy doing their magic and all, but isn't "lets solve the problem by removing the excempt from the floodbots" a bit like climbing to a tree ass first?
[07:24] <Myrtti> noting also that if the floodbots didn't have the excemption in place, this whole thing might have not even be noticed that easy
[07:24] <nalioth> :)
[07:24] <Myrtti> correct me if I'm wrong.
[07:25] <nalioth> well, freenode didn't cut 'em off w/o some very good reasons
[07:25] <Myrtti> I thought they did.
[07:25]  * nalioth removes the double negatives
[07:25] <Myrtti> I seem to remember a big outcry by several people couple weeks ago
[07:25] <Myrtti> "oh noes, no mibbit anymore"
[07:25] <nalioth> freenode had some very good reasons to cut mibbit off
[07:26] <nalioth> some of which are viewable on the freenode blog
[07:26] <Myrtti> so we're to micromanage freenode now?
[07:27] <nalioth> forget i said anything
[07:35] <bazhang> fixing mbr is a Ubuntu issue?
[07:36] <Myrtti> if it's been "broken" by Ubuntu or an attempt to uninstall it... IIRC
[07:36] <bazhang> okay thanks for the clarification, never had that issue myself
[07:37] <Myrtti> me neither, but I've also never uninstalled it
[07:37] <bazhang> seems they are recommending piracy to fix it
[08:00] <elky> grant-a hopefully incoming
[08:02] <jussi01> why hopefully?
[08:02] <elky> because it'd avoid polluting #u
[08:03] <jussi01> oh meh. I dont want to see him in here anytime soon.
[08:03] <elky> jussi01, i'd rather him here than confusing the #u crowd
[08:07] <Myrtti> oh christ, I should be at the laundrette
[08:12] <Myrtti> please handle jacques whoever
[08:12] <Myrtti> I need to *go*
[08:12] <jacquesdupontd> hi
[08:12]  * Myrtti runs to the laundrette
[08:13] <elky> jacquesdupontd, hi, have you read the guidelines for the ubuntu channels yet?
[08:13] <jacquesdupontd> ok i'm mainly here to help but sometimes i have a human feeling to speak with people from all around the world, isn't linux all about sharing ? yes then i'll join off-topic
[08:13] <elky> sharing is one thing. oversharing and misbehaving is another.
[08:14] <jacquesdupontd> elky, be sure that i know it it makes 5 years that i'm in ubuntu community
[08:14] <elky> right, and when in that 5 years did 'being offtopic and ranting about drunkeness in #ubuntu' become acceptable?
[08:14] <jacquesdupontd> elky, i agree but don't make be the guy passing in front of justice that's ok i didn't hurt anybody and there was no problem to solve and i excuse myself for that
[08:15] <jacquesdupontd> elky, the thing is that i was mainly on the fr channel but i mostly prefer world channel
[08:16] <jacquesdupontd> elky, anyway i agree you there is rules
[08:16] <elky> jacquesdupontd, i just want to know that you're going to behave by the guidelines and be fair to the other chatters who are looking for help, not your current blood alcohol level.
[08:17] <jacquesdupontd> elky, it was a joke my blood alcohol (that you seems to dislike a lot) is ok i could drive without having penalities
[08:17] <jacquesdupontd> and i'll be fair
[08:17] <jacquesdupontd> that's what i like to do
[08:17] <elky> is that fair to people who are frustrated and looking for help with their computers?
[08:17] <jacquesdupontd> as i do my other works on the computer
[08:18] <jacquesdupontd> elky, it's not but there was nobody otherwise i would have tried to help as always
[08:18] <jacquesdupontd> as i have been helped and i respect that a lot
[08:19] <elky> in the future, avoid it even if it looks ok. in the meantime, jussi says he's lifted the mute, so you can continue with the actual topic of #ubuntu now.
[08:19] <jacquesdupontd> ok thx, btw can we talk about ubuntu just a bit here ?
[08:19] <jacquesdupontd> i see there's update on jaunty
[08:19] <jacquesdupontd> about kernel
[08:20] <jacquesdupontd> i putted 29 but this is an update for the 28-14
[08:20] <nalioth> jacquesdupontd: perhaps #ubuntu-kernel or #ubuntu-offtopic ?
[08:20] <jacquesdupontd> wich is logic
[08:20] <elky> jacquesdupontd, the irc team doesn't make development decisions.
[08:20] <jussi01> jacquesdupontd: yeah, we arent support in here ;)
[08:20] <jacquesdupontd> haha
[08:21] <jacquesdupontd> ok
[08:21] <jacquesdupontd> make me op then could be a big big progression in 10 minutes
[08:21] <bazhang> ?
[08:21] <jacquesdupontd> "joke" i go back to my #ubuntu channel
[08:21] <jussi01> jacquesdupontd: now now, read the topic ;)
[08:22] <jacquesdupontd> i read it and noticed there was nothing on xubuntu
[08:22] <jacquesdupontd> as it disapeared ?
[08:22] <bazhang> #xubuntu is the channel
[08:22] <jussi01> jacquesdupontd: there is an xubuntu channel, #xubuntu
[08:22] <jacquesdupontd> ok etc..
[08:22] <jussi01> !idle | jacquesdupontd
[08:22] <jacquesdupontd> thx see ya
[08:46] <Myrtti> back for 15 mins
[08:59] <Myrtti> nnnggghhhhghghghghghghghghg http://paste.ubuntu.com/235718/
[09:01] <Myrtti> why do I IRC? Why do I bother trying to help the community with the about only way I can?
[09:01] <Myrtti> it's not getting me anywhere
[09:01] <Myrtti> I feel like banging my head to the wall every single day
[09:02] <Myrtti> endless stream of frustration
[10:38]  * Myrtti fears for the answer
[10:40] <Myrtti> I knew it
[10:43]  * popey wonders if he has someone accidentally on /ignore of if Myrtti really is talking to herself
[10:43] <popey> s/of/or
[10:43] <Myrtti> popey: looking at #ubuntu and banging my head to the wall
[10:44] <popey> ah, standard operating procedure then
[10:44] <Myrtti> popey: "I want to remove windows, how can I do it" "format the drive it's on" "but is it dangerous" "could be" "oh, you've installed Ubuntu with Wubi..."
[10:44] <Myrtti> "uh-oh"
[10:46] <popey> http://popey.com/blog/2009/07/16/migrating-from-wubi-to-full-ubuntu-install/ :)
[10:46]  * Myrtti needs coffee
[10:47] <Myrtti> popey: that's basically the road they're traveling now
[10:47] <Myrtti> I need coffee, or I'll fall over and fall asleep
[10:50]  * elky noms expensive icecream
[10:51]  * Mamarok larts elky for giving me unhealthy ideas and dives into the frezer for Mövenpick Maple Walnut
[10:52] <elky> Mamarok, it's expensive icecream, which means it tends to last me more than a few days. it' the *healthy* option :P
[10:52] <elky> cheaper stuff disappears into milkshakes too easily
[10:52] <Mamarok> yeah, my problem is that I can hardly stop when I begin with :(
[10:53] <Myrtti> I solve the problem by not buying ice cream ;-) apart from ice lolly now and then
[10:53] <elky> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8294638@N02/3751171125/
[10:54] <elky> Myrtti, if i do that, i find myself buying candy instead.
[10:55] <Myrtti> elky: I don't buy candy either :-D
[10:55] <elky> Myrtti, :(
[10:55] <elky> your pantry is no fun.
[10:56] <Myrtti> yeah, ingredients for pasta, pancakes, curries, casseroles, porridges
[10:56] <Myrtti> expensive coffee and lots of tea
[10:57] <Gary> coffee, yes please
[10:57] <Myrtti> right now my "candy" of choice is probiotic power shot drink that tastes like strawberry and blueberry
[10:58] <Myrtti> one a day and I hope the tummy ache doesn't come back
[10:59] <Mamarok> looks yummy
[11:18] <Myrtti> @mark
[11:19] <Myrtti> @mark #ubuntu n2diy had a lengthy conversation in pm about the correct place of offtopic discussion. Fun is bending and breaking the rules, and we'll strangle #ubuntu to death if we try to keep #ubuntu support only
[11:33] <elky> right, so if we try to keep #ubuntu "support only" it will fail to be "support only"?
[11:33] <elky> i'm confused here.
[11:33]  * gnomefreak even more so ;)
[11:34] <Myrtti> elky: I got quite tired and frustrated at the end
[11:34] <elky> Myrtti, i'm tired just trying to parse the logic.
[11:35] <bazhang> at least he's honest
[11:36]  * Myrtti takes her emp and changes the battery on it
[11:38] <elky> Myrtti, um... asking eye colour in -ot
[11:38] <elky> i ask... why?
[11:38] <Myrtti> I have no idea
[11:39] <ikonia> mine are blue if anyone is interested
[11:39] <elky> ikonia, share that with -ot :)
[11:40] <ikonia> there we go, now all are aware
[11:40] <elky> ikonia, oddly despite your surname making me *think* of Mr Darcy from P&P, I have for some reason always pictured you blond and blueeyed
[11:40] <elky> i have no clue why
[11:40] <ikonia> it's the truth
[11:40] <elky> maybe you said some other time in the past
[11:40] <ikonia> most people are dissapointed that I am the oposite of Mr Darcy
[11:40] <Myrtti> Mr. Darcy ♥
[11:41] <ikonia> now I can dissapoint Myrtti
[11:41]  * Myrtti watched P&P three times during the weekend
[11:41] <Myrtti> the series, not the movie, I might add
[11:41] <ikonia> Myrtti: there is an event in Bath each weekend "have tea with Mr Darcy"
[11:41] <ikonia> a P&P tea party
[11:41] <Myrtti> oooo
[11:42] <bazhang> incoming
[11:42] <Myrtti> watching English period dramas just caught me by surprise that I'm planning moving to UK
[11:42] <topyli> hmm iirc mr. darcy wasn't even a particularly nice guy
[11:42] <Myrtti> topyli: he had Finnish relatives.
[11:42] <Myrtti> Nice, but quite Finnish attitude
[11:43] <topyli> certainly finnish
[11:43] <elky> Timmy2Tall, hello there.
[11:43] <bazhang> Timmy2Tall, hi
[11:43] <Timmy2Tall> I need to speak to a supervisor
[11:43] <Myrtti> plenty of us here, Timmy2Tall
[11:43] <elky> Timmy2Tall, our appeals process states that you should talk it through here before going "up the ladder"
[11:43] <elky> !appeals
[11:44] <topyli> Timmy2Tall: i trust you know why you're banned
[11:45] <bazhang> he is muted in #ubuntu as well
[11:45] <Timmy2Tall> Hey don't try to use your big words to intimidate me. I know my rights as an american.
[11:45] <Timmy2Tall> Not really. Why?
[11:45] <elky> Timmy2Tall, your locale has absolutely nothing to do with anything here.
[11:46] <topyli> Timmy2Tall: trolling is not allowed. also, irc is not part of the US. you have privileges but no rights
[11:46] <Timmy2Tall> Well i tried to talk it out. I wanna speak to the Co-founder.
[11:46] <Timmy2Tall> Whats the next room?
[11:47] <elky> Timmy2Tall, please follow the appeals process as has already been stated to you by ubottu
[11:47] <Timmy2Tall> alright. hey can i idle in here
[11:49] <elky> we much rather you didn't idle here, out of consideration for others who need to discuss issues.
[11:49] <elky> Timmy2Tall, so far you've not been cooperative on your own issue though. Maybe you'd like to try.
[11:49] <Timmy2Tall> You guys really need a sence of humor. Ever seen Dark Knight? "Why so serious!?, Lets put a smile on that face!"
[11:50] <Timmy2Tall> Well my issue is that i was wrongfully accused for disrupted a Off-Topic Room in which i was clearly off-topic
[11:51] <elky> Timmy2Tall, how did said accusation differ from what happened?
[11:52] <topyli> Timmy2Tall: we can talk about your ban on this channel. our sense of humor has little to do with it
[11:53] <bazhang> Timmy2Tall, did you need support in #ubuntu ? I saw offtopic chat and profanity, but no actual support question
[11:53] <Timmy2Tall> Well for one I was banned without warning, i was un-aware of my crimes(if any) to begin with. I truly beleave this was a conflict of intrest pertaining to me.
[11:54] <Timmy2Tall> Oh i had a topic, i asked about firefox and was then silenced for my question..as if i was a prisoner with a number that had spoken up without permission
[11:54] <bazhang> Timmy2Tall, you are currently only muted in #ubuntu
[11:54] <Timmy2Tall> My profanity was justified.
[11:55] <Timmy2Tall> I'm a sailor
[11:55] <bazhang> Timmy2Tall, how is firefox made is hardly a support question
[11:55] <Myrtti> no profanity is justified in Ubuntu channels.
[11:55] <Myrtti> and I call for troll.
[11:55] <Timmy2Tall> Yah and Myrtti called me a troll
[11:55] <topyli> Timmy2Tall: for the record, you were not banned without warning. you were advised several times on -offtopic to familiarise yourself with the guidelines of the channel
[11:55] <topyli> by at least two different people too
[11:56] <Myrtti> Timmy2Tall: for what I understand, you're to cause nothing but trouble, knowingly, with no intention to use any of the Ubuntu IRC channels according to the guidelines and rules
[11:56] <bazhang> Timmy2Tall, you came in with profanity, then went to -offtopic channel with the same. you were banned then returned to ubuntu and continued offtopic, profanity etc
[11:56] <gnomefreak> firefox isnt made its written and for that question you might look for a firefox channel (cant remember what server its on atm) i havent been in there in a few months
[11:56] <Timmy2Tall> So Firefox & ubunto have no link to one another what so ever?
[11:56] <gnomefreak> either way not a support question
[11:56] <Myrtti> Timmy2Tall: ubuntu happens to have firefox as the default browser, but it could be midori, epiphany or chromium as well.
[11:57] <gnomefreak> Timmy2Tall: the way its packaged it does. join #ubuntu-mozillateam to continue this further after you have finished with the oither ops and your crimes. i also agree with them on why you were muted
[11:57] <Timmy2Tall> How long am i muted for?
[11:58] <bazhang> if he resolves this and knows to remain on topic (minus the profanity) I have no problems lifting the mute
[11:58] <Timmy2Tall> I can do that. I'm actually intrested in learning more about this ubunto you speak of.
[11:58] <topyli> your ban will be removed once we think it will be safe to do so
[11:58] <bazhang> Timmy2Tall, we need assurances you wont continue as before
[11:59] <Timmy2Tall> I've got 5 bucks on me, i dont know how much there paying you guys but 5 bucks is 5 bucks right?
[11:59] <Timmy2Tall> Seems like a good enough inssurance
[11:59] <gnomefreak> Timmy2Tall: ubunto?
[11:59] <Myrtti> it looks like a troll, it smells like a troll, it walks like a troll and it talks like a troll
[11:59] <bazhang> okay never mind.
[11:59] <gnomefreak> bazhang: Timmy2Tall please hold that thought
[11:59] <gnomefreak> damnit
[11:59] <gnomefreak> bazhang: and topyli please hold that thought
[11:59] <bazhang> gnomefreak, sure
[11:59] <Timmy2Tall> Dont call me a troll gnome
[12:00] <gnomefreak> Timmy2Tall: i didnt
[12:00] <gnomefreak> Timmy2Tall: i asked you a question im waiting for an answer
[12:00] <Timmy2Tall> You told me to hold that thought
[12:01] <Timmy2Tall> ubuntu*
[12:01] <gnomefreak> Timmy2Tall: i meant topyli not you autocompletion error
[12:02] <gnomefreak> ok thanks. i agree with topyli on when it should be removed.
[12:02] <Timmy2Tall> How do you guys know it will be safe?
[12:03]  * gnomefreak still has a strange feeling but hey could be yesterdays lunch
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Timmy2Tall: we see all
[12:03] <elky> Timmy2Tall, we've been doing this stuff for years. We Know.
[12:03] <Timmy2Tall> Can you see what im doing right now?
[12:03] <elky> right now, you're typing at a keyboard and looking at a computer screen.
[12:03] <Timmy2Tall> This is like something straight out of the twilight zone.
[12:04] <bazhang> see no need to lift the mute.
[12:04] <topyli> Timmy2Tall: i can see what you are *not* doing. you're not trying to assure us that you will behave in the future
[12:04] <bazhang> should be ban?
[12:04] <Timmy2Tall> I was just being sarcastic
[12:04] <Timmy2Tall> geez
[12:04] <Myrtti> bazhang: mute is fine for now
[12:04] <bazhang> Myrtti, okay thanks. have to step away for a minute
[12:05] <Myrtti> Timmy2Tall: sarcasm doesn't translate well over internet
[12:06] <elky> heck, it often doesn't even translate in meatspace.
[12:06] <Timmy2Tall> lol touche
[12:07] <Timmy2Tall> Hey anyone of you guys know a good remedy for reducing the itch of a bug bite?
[12:07] <Timmy2Tall> Wait
[12:07] <Timmy2Tall> I do have one question
[12:08] <elky> Aloe.
[12:08] <Timmy2Tall> It has nothing to pertain to ubuntu but i'll make you a deal if you anwser. I'll leave all ubuntu chats at peace and never return.
[12:09] <Timmy2Tall> Here's my question.
[12:09] <topyli> deal eh?
[12:09] <Timmy2Tall> When calling a cell phone, if it goes directly to voice mail. what does it mean?
[12:09]  * gnomefreak agrees with Myrtti 
[12:09] <elky> Timmy2Tall, that varies on the cell phone settings and the carrier. We cannot give a definitive answer.
[12:10] <gnomefreak> might i suggest noone answers that question :( too late
[12:10] <Timmy2Tall> AT&T
[12:10] <elky> we still cannot give a definitive answer.
[12:10] <Timmy2Tall> ahh c'mon guys, u all seem like smart ppl
[12:10] <topyli> Timmy2Tall: if you have no further issues with the ban, please leave the channel, since this channel is for operator business only
[12:11] <Timmy2Tall> damn talk about a stick in the mud. fine l8r guys.
[12:11] <gnomefreak> for at&t i can however i wont. this question has some sort of back end to it
[12:11] <Timmy2Tall> huh?
[12:12] <Myrtti> hooray!
[12:12] <gnomefreak> noone just asks that question while defending actions
[12:12]  * gnomefreak leaning torwards troll
[12:12] <bazhang> hehe
[12:13] <elky> only leaning?
[12:13] <Myrtti> it was clear from the start he had nothing but troublemaking in his mind
[12:13] <bazhang> he had a very not nice entry to #ubuntu and -ot
[12:13] <elky> i mean, seriously. he joins a channel with 'hi bitches' and when told to not be rude, changes it to 'hi shit-heads'.
[12:13] <Myrtti> [13:35] < Myrtti> Timmy2Tall: did you come here to discuss or cause trouble?
[12:13] <Myrtti> [13:35] < Timmy2Tall> Oh i'm looking for trouble!
[12:13] <Myrtti> bingo!
[12:13] <gnomefreak> now -mozillateam but hes easy to ban since -ops has nothing to do with it :)
[12:13] <gnomefreak> well damn
[12:14] <bazhang> whats with n2diy
[12:15] <gnomefreak> ;)
[12:15] <gnomefreak> .:07:14:24:. <      gnomefreak > Timmy2Tall: dont start with me, im alot  tougher than those ops you spoke to
[12:15] <Myrtti> we had a lengthy conversation earlier and now he's targeting me
[12:15] <bazhang> I read that, but he is getting reallly creepy now
[12:15] <Myrtti> he is
I just love it when I'm singled out </sarcasm>
[12:16] <gnomefreak> n2diy Myrtti?
[12:17] <bazhang> in -ot
[12:18] <bazhang> remove timmy2tall from #ubuntu ?
[12:18] <elky> Myrtti, please say it outright in -ot.
[12:18] <gnomefreak> bazhang: yes
[12:18] <elky> bazhang, not unless he is disrupting somehow
[12:18] <bazhang> elky, he is muted
[12:18] <gnomefreak> bazhang: im about to ban him in -mozillatema
[12:18] <gnomefreak> mozillateam even
[12:18] <Myrtti> bazhang: if he's muted, he's not causing trouble
[12:18] <bazhang> Myrtti, true
[12:19] <Myrtti> bazhang: if he wants to learn about this ubontu, then let him stay
[12:19] <gnomefreak> elky: it is clear he is looking for trouble at least what he is going on about in -mozillateam.
[12:19] <Myrtti> no better place to learn
[12:19] <elky> well mute doesn't necessarily mean no trouble... without naming names here
[12:19] <bazhang> telling me in PM that my actions are un-american
[12:19] <elky> bazhang, i'm sure your non-american self is crying in shame too.
[12:19] <bazhang> heh
[12:20] <topyli> he does know his rights as an american, remember :)
[12:24] <gnomefreak> is he the "bad" paddy?
[12:24] <gnomefreak> Paddy
[12:24] <bazhang> still the weird cell phone questions
[12:25] <gnomefreak> or is he the one that doesnt cause trrouble
[12:25] <bazhang> he varies
[12:25] <gnomefreak> and yes i agree it is creepy btw
[12:25] <bazhang> today is bad
[12:25] <gnomefreak> im seeing this
[12:26]  * gnomefreak should know better than to stop working for a day
[12:26] <bazhang> he was banned from -ot for a long stretch previously
[12:28] <topyli> gnomefreak: this paddy isn't our dear paddy1 if that's what you mean
[12:28] <Myrtti> I need to go read Jono's burnout slides
[12:28] <bazhang> this is paddy_eire
[12:28] <bazhang> not paddy_melon
[12:29] <gnomefreak> topyli: thanks thats what i menat.
[12:31] <gnomefreak> thats not going to work no matter how much i hope
[12:31] <gnomefreak> be back smoke
[12:34] <elky> paddy is usually fine, often borderline and has absolutely no idea how to learn from mistakes
[12:36] <gnomefreak> he helps us test and answer questions so maybe hit did work. i have to check with asac later if it is him
[12:36] <ikonia> the updated for 8.10 and 8.10's whole managment as a project has impressed the hell out of me
[12:37] <gnomefreak> ikonia: 8.10 ---> 8.10
[12:37] <ikonia> yes
[12:38] <ikonia> still getting meaningful updates for it
[12:38] <ikonia> by far the best product and managed ubuntu release I can think of
[12:38] <gnomefreak> ah that would be 8.10.2 or .3 than
[12:38] <ikonia> (although I'm probably blocking out some of the negatives as I'm impressed with it)
[12:38] <ikonia> gnomefreak: 8.10 base
[12:39] <gnomefreak> ikonia: wait for kamic boot time :)
[12:39] <gnomefreak> ~18secs
[12:39] <ubot3> Factoid 18secs not found
[12:39] <ikonia> boot time isn't the decidig factor for me
[12:39] <ikonia> no criitical flaws on launch, quick resolution of problems, meaningful updates
[12:39] <ikonia> my only critisism is the backports process but that's a criticisim for every release
[12:40]  * gnomefreak prefers 9.04 to 8.10 and i was wrong 8.10 doesnt have . releases
[12:40] <gnomefreak> i was thinking 8.04
[12:41] <ikonia> ahh
[12:42] <gnomefreak> paddy left and -ot turned into a nice channel
[12:42] <gnomefreak> thats new
[12:46] <gnomefreak> timtall is in -devel asking wine questions :(
[12:47]  * gnomefreak no longer leaning now im sure troll
[12:48] <gnomefreak> can someone with ops in -devel keep an eye on him
[12:49] <ikonia> okey dokey
[12:51] <gnomefreak> the whol;e lets see how it goes before we remove the mute i think is in trash IMHO
[12:52] <gnomefreak> why me now hes in my PM
[12:55] <popey> he's also in -uk being silly, but nothing offensive
[12:55] <popey> just daft
[12:56] <gnomefreak> offensive wasnt the problem it was the offtopic things he said AFAIK and he seems to be moving from one channel to another doing it
[12:56]  * gnomefreak guessing #ubuntu-uk is support
[12:57] <popey> loco channel, so loco stuff
[12:57] <popey> and some support
[12:57] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:57] <popey> none going on right now though
[12:59] <elky> popey, so he at least learned how to greet people civilly by now?
[12:59] <popey> heh
[12:59]  * elky looks
[12:59] <elky> ok, semi-civilly
[12:59] <popey> inane drivel
[13:00] <elky> so like most irc regulars, then
[13:14] <bazhang> !pl is <reply> Na tym kanale używamy tylko języka angielskiego. Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl.
[13:15] <bazhang> !no pl is <reply> Na tym kanale używamy tylko języka angielskiego. Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl.
[13:15] <bazhang> !pl
[13:19] <gnomefreak> he asked an almost valid question this time :)
[14:28] <mneptok> bazhang: are you sure that means what we hope it means?
[14:29] <bazhang> mneptok, heh, yep
[14:29] <mneptok> goodgood
[15:50] <Myrtti> anyone awake
[15:50] <Myrtti> could someone who has more knowledge and intrest point nigell somewhere else from #ubuntu
[15:52] <Myrtti> nevermind
[15:52] <ikonia> what's up ?
[15:54] <Myrtti> oh, he's still on it
[15:54] <Myrtti> ikonia: he's an university student loaded with ideas...
[15:54] <ikonia> yeah , I see
[17:20] <Myrtti> zeroone...
[17:20] <Myrtti> where do I know that
[17:20] <Pici> what?
[17:20] <Pici> He was banned?
[17:20] <ikonia> he is
[17:20] <Pici> ikonia: ?
[17:20] <ikonia> I've just booted him
[17:21] <ikonia> or I'm made a terrible mistake
[17:21] <ikonia> let me double check that
[17:22] <Pici> Also... I'm going to run to lunch, but I want to discuss zhxk with you. (or however its spelt)
[17:22] <ikonia> and it appears I have, I thought it was paddy_melon again
[17:22] <ikonia> I'll apologies to him now
[17:23] <Myrtti> qwyeth: hello, how can we help you?
[17:24] <Myrtti> ikonia: btw, I didn't ban the asdf-guy
[17:24] <ikonia> @mark #ubuntu blind|melon|chit was kicked by mistake (my fault totally) but then took an offensive attitude when I apologiezed publicly
[17:24] <qwyeth> Oh, hello!  Actually, the issue that led me here looks like it was already addressed...
[17:24] <ikonia> Myrtti: no problem
[17:25] <qwyeth> So is this a non-public channel that I should only join if there's a problem?
[17:25] <Myrtti> you don't really need to join this channel unless you yourself are in trouble
[17:26] <qwyeth> OK, I see.  Thank you all for responding quickly to the troll posting dangerous sudo commands ^_^
[17:29] <ingcomrbr> What the hell happened with blind?
[17:29] <ikonia> ingcomrbr: hello there
[17:29] <ikonia> ingcomrbr: I made a mistake kicking him from the channel
[17:29] <ingcomrbr> Hello... ikonia
[17:29] <ingcomrbr> ikonia.. And he was out upset.
[17:30] <ikonia> yes, I saw
[17:30] <ingcomrbr> well.. I only sayy that the channel is to help and be helper..
[17:30] <ikonia> yes and ?
[17:31] <Myrtti> ingcomrbr: he was banforwarded to this channel so the situation can be explained to him and that he can be apoligized.
[17:32] <ingcomrbr> only I say that was a mistake.. but it was not good
[17:32] <ingcomrbr> it is all..
[17:32] <Myrtti> what was a mistake?
[17:32] <ikonia> ingcomrbr: if you noticed I apologies two him twice in the channel
[17:32] <ingcomrbr> you kick ut him
[17:32] <ikonia> ingcomrbr: before being swore at
[17:32] <ikonia> I made a mistake and apologied twice for it, I %100 agree it was a mistake, no question
[17:32] <ingcomrbr> ok... no more problem..
[17:33] <ingcomrbr> sorry...
[17:33] <ikonia> ingcomrbr: I did say this in the channel which is why I can't understand why you kept telling me it was a mistake, that's why I asked you to join here
[17:33] <ingcomrbr> ok
[17:34] <ikonia> thank you for making sure we knew though
[17:34] <ingcomrbr> thank you ikonia
[17:35] <ikonia> ingcomrbr: anything else you need from this channel ?
[17:37] <ingcomrbr> no more.. than you.
[17:37] <ikonia> no problem, please leave and re-join #ubuntu, and thank you again
[18:20] <Pici> jpds: ping
[18:32] <jpds> Pici: Hello.
[18:34] <Pici> jpds: I just got a wiki change notification that p3l|can0 dropped you from being one of the listed contacts for #ubuntu-es, wanted to make you aware in case you are still active there.  You were listed as jpatrick
[18:34] <jpds> Not active.
[18:34] <jpds> Still have ops though.
[18:47] <blind|melon|chit> Alright...is there a reason why when I try to /join #ubuntu I wind up here?
[18:48] <Pici> blind|melon|chit: Perhaps due to your behavior in #ubuntu prior to you leaving it the last time.
[18:49] <blind|melon|chit> Pici: You mean being upset for being kickbanned for reporting a racist to the ops?
[18:49] <blind|melon|chit> Pici: That's a bit vindictive of you
[18:49] <Myrtti> blind|melon|chit: you were also apologized
[18:49] <blind|melon|chit> Myrtti: Yes and I accepted that apology, so again, why am I here
[18:49] <Pici> Sorry, but "12:23:19 <blind|melon|chit> ikonia: Nice way to treat people reporting racists in the channel, I'm fucking out of here.
[18:49] <Pici> " doesn't look like you accepted.
[18:50] <blind|melon|chit> Pici: Doesn't look like you have a log of the conversation between me and ikonia either, but hey, don't let that stop you from being abusive.
[18:50] <Myrtti> oh my...
[18:50] <Pici> blind|melon|chit: Er. Enlighten me then.
[18:50] <blind|melon|chit> Pici: You want to be enlightened? Here you go
[18:50] <stew> blind|melon|chit: in what way is Pici being abusive?
[18:50] <blind|melon|chit> That's fine, I know when I'm not wanted. You made your "warning" in #ubuntu-ops when I was just
[18:51] <blind|melon|chit>                          trying to help police the channel and when I report a racist I get kickbanned. There's plenty of
[18:51] <blind|melon|chit> Sorry, that didn't paste right. Again...
[18:51] <Myrtti> blind|melon|chit: if you use the ! o p s trigger, it informs about it here, so those people who don't have focus on #ubuntu all the time, know there's problem
[18:52] <Myrtti> it's not aimed at you
[18:52] <Myrtti> it's a cry for help
[18:52] <blind|melon|chit> Alright, from my conversation window with ikonia, for Pici's "benefit":
[18:52] <blind|melon|chit> If it was a mistake, then, there's no reason to apologize, though it is appreciated. And if it was indeed a mistake, then I'll feel free to visit the channel again, but I hope you understand why I won't be reporting any troublemakers to the ops again. This is two bad experiences doing that very thing now.
[18:52] <blind|melon|chit> Pici: Feeling enlightened yet?
[18:53] <Myrtti> I'm confused
[18:53] <Myrtti> have you been on this channel earlier today?
[18:53] <blind|melon|chit> Myrtti: No, the previous bad experience was about a week or two ago, but that has nothing to do with this situation
[18:54] <Myrtti> oh, I must've been away then
[18:54] <blind|melon|chit> Myrtti: Pici asked if I accepted the apology and I did
[18:54] <Pici> blind|melon|chit: It was an accident.  Your nick was similar to someone else who was banned from the channel. That why he removed you.  I suggested that your weren't the same person so.
[18:54] <blind|melon|chit> So again, why am I here
[18:54] <stew> blind|melon|chit: please note that as I told you before your language in #ubuntu should remain family friendly  (referring to your exiting comment in #ubuntu today)
[18:54] <Pici> blind|melon|chit: Er... because it looked like you didn't accept and we wanted to clarify.
[18:55] <blind|melon|chit> Pici: Why didn't you PM me instead of redirecting me from the channel, then?
[18:55] <Pici> blind|melon|chit: Because you quit?
[18:55] <Pici> (power outage here, might need to be pulled away)
[18:55] <blind|melon|chit> Pici: I was still online, actually
[18:55] <stew> blind|melon|chit: also, talking about it here would avoid problems like the one you pointed out where Pici didn't know about a conversaion you had with ikonia
[18:57] <blind|melon|chit> stew: I still don't understand why someone would manually redirect me to this channel, the one ikonia told me -not- to join, to tell me why I'm not allowed in #ubuntu
[18:57] <blind|melon|chit> I was already told about the "bad language" and I've never seen anyone redirected by the ops to this channel for it.
[18:57] <Myrtti> I sense there's a misunderstanding somewhere here
[18:57] <blind|melon|chit> The bad language, by the way, being a result of being unfairly banned
[18:57] <Myrtti> or a need for starting over
[18:58] <blind|melon|chit> Myrtti: I think I'm beginning to understand that the ops of this channel have some kind of bone to pick with me. Considering that I've only ever talked to an op to HELP the channel, I'd really like to know why.
[18:58] <stew> blind|melon|chit: there isn't some kind of exception to the language rule like "if you feel like you are being unfairly treated, go ahead and use foul language"
[18:59] <blind|melon|chit> stew: Yeah, there's rules against death threats too, it took 16 nickname changes before he was finally banned for that
[18:59] <blind|melon|chit> I say one bad word and I get banned from the channel, -after- I leave?
[18:59] <blind|melon|chit> You don't think that's the slightest bit extreme?
[18:59] <stew> not in the slightest, no
[18:59] <blind|melon|chit> I didn't think so.
[19:00] <Myrtti> you weren't *banned* per se
[19:00] <Myrtti> you were forwarded here. that is, if you are talking about today
[19:00] <blind|melon|chit> I don't want to be in this channel and I'm prevented from joining the one I want to be in, I may as well be banned
[19:01] <blind|melon|chit> Maybe you've just redirected me here to test my temper enough that I say something to -get- banned, perhaps?
[19:01] <blind|melon|chit> Find an excuse to finally get rid of me?
[19:01] <Myrtti> ok, I'm backing off since it's not getting anywhere
[19:01] <blind|melon|chit> Myrtti: I didn't expect that you'd do anything to rectify the situation so there's no need to announce you're going to ignore it
[19:02] <Myrtti> thanks for not giving me a chance, then
[19:02] <blind|melon|chit> Myrtti: You're welcome. Just trying to make you feel at home.
[19:03] <Pici> blind|melon|chit: We're not picking on you. Typically if someone breaks a rule and then quits irc, we forward them here so that we can discuss it when they return.
[19:04] <blind|melon|chit> Pici: And what's there to discuss?
[19:05] <blind|melon|chit> I would think nothing, particularly since ikonia warned me about coming in here and -starting- discussions...now I don't have a choice, apparently.
[19:06] <blind|melon|chit> stew: I figured you probably had something to do with this. I was obviously too quick to state that there was still any decency among the Freenode staff. Fine, you don't want me in your channel? I won't visit. Fair enough.
[19:06] <Pici> errrrr
[19:07] <Pici> I had unbanned him anyway.
[19:07] <Myrtti> ingratitude and hostility is the pay of the world
[19:07] <Myrtti> don't expect anything else.
[19:08]  * Myrtti takes her cynicism and misantrophy away with her and goes to learn coding
[19:09] <jpds> blind|melon|shit: Wait.
[19:09] <popey> latejpds is late
[19:10] <jpds> popey: 'Twas <boredom />
[20:20] <jussi01> Attention lads and ladies, IRCC meeting is on sunday, and we want your input into some of the proposals. please read and comment here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil/IRCteamproposal
[20:21] <jussi01> !ops | see above please!!!
[20:24] <genii> <grumble grumble>
[20:24] <jussi01> now now genii...
[20:28] <genii> jussi01: Sorry, just having a generally crappy day
[20:30]  * jussi01 hugs genii
[20:31] <genii> Thanks, I actually did need that today.
[20:31] <Myrtti> genii: let's cry together
[20:31] <genii> I'll supply the Kleenex
[20:31]  * Myrtti gets the nose balm
[20:35] <Myrtti> I'm staying alive by the knowledge that in about 48 hours I'm supplies as many hugs as I can receive
[20:37] <Pici> Misfire ;)
[20:50] <ikonia> wow blindmelon has a real attitude problem
[20:51] <ikonia> he's just sent me a pm telling me how my stupid operator friends are fools etc
[20:51] <ikonia> not letting him back in
[20:51] <Pici> 'just'? We had a long conversation here and I had another long conversation with him in private message.
[20:52] <ikonia> nah, it was waiting for me when I got home
[20:52] <ikonia> bad choice of wording
[20:52] <ikonia> (on my part)
[20:52] <ikonia> he sent it an hour or so ago
[20:53] <ikonia> his attitude is crazy, I didn't tell him not to join this channel, I told him to leave after he was provoking paddy_melon and the other guy after they had been banned
[20:59] <genii> Hehe another misguided recursive chmod of /etc by someone and now they wonder why /etc/sudoers is messed up
[20:59] <Pici> Someone earlier recursively chmodded their root directory :/
[20:59] <genii> Ouchies
[21:00] <ikonia> Pici: I have a script to fix that, I should make it public
[21:00] <jussi01> yes, yes you should!
[21:00] <jussi01> :D
[21:00] <ikonia> it used to be a common mistake amongst new users so I wrote a script to put it back to default
[21:01] <nalioth> bless you, ikonia
[21:01] <ikonia> ha ha
[21:01] <ikonia> it just used to be common in the channel
[21:02] <stew> ikonia: does your script deal with stuff like permissions of /var/log and /var/run?
[21:03] <ikonia> I think it did /var/log but but not var run as the files under that normally get reset when a services is stopped or started, and its easy to talk someone through removing old run files
[21:03] <jussi01> See I wish ubuntu had a permissions correction utility, somewhat the same as apple does...
[21:03] <ikonia> it wouldn't touch archive logs as they don't exist on the default install
[21:04] <stew> actually, i'm thinking of ownership, not permissions, which i think i harder to fix
[21:07] <ikonia> stew: default stuff yes it resets back
[21:21] <Flannel> !away > sh4rk89
[22:01] <Mez> yeah "See above please" is useful in hilight log
[22:02] <jussi01> Mez: and how would have proposed I did that... its a bit long for after the pipe...
[22:02] <jussi01> *grumble*
[22:03] <ikonia> jlaroche: hello
[22:03] <jlaroche> hello
[22:04] <ikonia> how can we help ?
[22:04] <Mez> jussi01: ubuntu-irc@lists.ubuntu.com :P
[22:04] <jlaroche> everything is fine, thanks
[22:04] <jlaroche> how are you today?
[22:04] <ikonia> good
[22:04] <Myrtti> Mez: picking blood from your nose again, I see...
[22:05] <jussi01> Mez: coming, but I wanted opinions now, from people in the channel as its only a few days away?
[22:05] <ikonia> jlaroche: ahh a knew I recognised your nick name, sorry for being slow
[22:05] <Mez> Myrtti: ?
[22:05] <ikonia> jlaroche: you where forwarded here as you where uncalled for rude in #ubuntu on your last visit
[22:05] <Mez> Myrtti: if you have something to say, say it. Don't make veiled comments
[22:05] <ikonia> jlaroche: so you where redirected to this channel so we could talk about it
[22:05] <Myrtti> Mez: if you haven't seen the "please stop emailing me or I'll call the cops" emails there lately...
[22:06] <Myrtti> no, was it Home office
[22:06] <Myrtti> anyway, I've had fun reading them
[22:06] <ikonia> jlaroche: do you recall your last visit to #ubuntu ?
[22:08] <Mez> Myrtti: home office. And to me its simple. just get someone with access (Pricechild) to unsubscribe him
[22:09] <nalioth> or visit him and unplug his network
[22:09]  * nalioth runs
[22:09] <jussi01> Lets try keep this channel for the operator dicussion shall we?
[22:10] <jussi01> I do beleive ikonia is trying to help someone out?
[22:11] <ikonia> thank you
[22:11] <ikonia> jlaroche: are you still there ?
[22:11] <jlaroche> yes
[22:11] <jlaroche> had to go downstairs for a minute
[22:12] <jlaroche> whats up
[22:12] <ikonia> jlaroche: no problem, have you got a log of what I asked ?
[22:12] <jlaroche> sure
[22:12] <ikonia> great
[22:12] <jlaroche> there is no problem
[22:13] <ikonia> ok - well, do you understand how what you said was uncalled for, and quite rude ?
[22:13] <ikonia> (I'm assuming you remember your last visit to #ubuntu) ?
[22:13] <jlaroche> sorry... i also felt that what was said to me was condescending and rude
[22:14] <ikonia> jlaroche: I'm not quite sure how asking if you have checked your ports with your network admin (when you are having a port related issue) is rude,
[22:14] <ikonia> jlaroche: that said, you do understand there are better ways to express that ?
[22:14] <jlaroche> yes
[22:15] <ikonia> great, so if I remove the forward, I can be confident that you'll express yourself better in future ?
[22:15] <jlaroche> i will. sorry
[22:15] <ikonia> not a problem, hang on for 2 minutes please
[22:15] <CopyWriter> hello, i can't seem to connect to the ubuntu channel
[22:16] <ikonia> jlaroche: the forward has been removed, you can leave this channel and join #ubuntu. Thanks for coming by and explaining and understanding
[22:16] <jlaroche> i guess I felt that it was a very windows-type error message response. I could have explained the port setup in detail and I am the only user of the system. just felt very anti- "os for humans"
[22:16] <jlaroche> sorry
[22:16] <ikonia> jlaroche: understand, it's not a problem
[22:17] <ikonia> CopyWriter: you've been forwarded to #ubuntu-read-topic, did you read the topic in that channel ?
[22:17] <CopyWriter> yep
[22:17] <CopyWriter> did the port 8001 and everything
[22:17] <CopyWriter> didn't work
[22:18] <Myrtti> CopyWriter: have you done the test?
[22:18] <CopyWriter> [INFO]	Network view for “chat.freenode.net:8001” opened. see
[22:19] <CopyWriter> CopyWriter: Sorry, but I am unable to test you (are you using your usual nickname?). Please contact the operators (type « /topic » to find out how). then i get this
[22:20] <Myrtti> [00:19] <+FloodBot1> copywriter has been removed from the exploit quarantine
[22:20]  * CopyWriter gasps i've been in quarantine
[22:21] <CopyWriter> so can i connect now, what do i have to do
[22:21] <CopyWriter> yes it works
[22:21] <CopyWriter> thanks guys
[22:21] <CopyWriter> when i've learnt ubuntu well enough i'll come in here and help out too
[22:22] <CopyWriter> later guys
[22:22] <Myrtti> bye!
[22:23]  * CopyWriter shrugs
[23:11] <LjL> Pici: bestbot is back, and so is the server fwiw
[23:27] <Myrtti> [01:26]  * LasBuntu pulls the stick out of Myrtti's ass ;)
[23:27] <Myrtti> right
[23:35] <Pricey> Myrtti: Mez: I unsubscribed that guy.
[23:50] <Flannel> Pricey: +1