[00:03] hi... if anyone happened to wonder about bestbot (or metabot - doubt it), my server got fried by something so i'm not sure when it'll be back up [00:07] I sent you a memo about it a bit ago [00:08] Pici: yeah i saw it, much later though, it was back up by then [00:08] LjL: Oh, its down again then. [00:08] that time it was just a full HD, i'm bound to notice that sooner or late [00:08] this time it's just not turning on :) [00:08] well, more like :(, but anyway [00:08] oooh [00:08] Pici: it's why i was chatting from the cellphone earlier [00:09] now, as i was trying to say on t9, i've managed to use an eeepc as if it were a wireless router, somehow [00:09] i just hope my server's HD is ok [00:11] Pricey: Er.. you never set -r, can I? [00:11] LjL: yeah, me too. [00:12] Pici: i suggest you do, there's a few fellows in -unregged :P [00:12] LjL: Thats why I was asking ;) [00:14] Ubottu 2.0 being written in python again? Is it just going to be another supybot plugin? [00:14] I'll remember that, Flannel [00:14] blah [00:14] find 2.0 [00:14] er, I'll fix it in a query [00:14] ubottu: forget Ubottu 2.0 being written in python again? [00:14] I know nothing about Ubottu 2.0 being written in python again? yet, Pici [00:14] bleh [00:14] !2.0 being written in python again? [00:14] 2.0 being written in python again? is it just going to be another supybot plugin? [00:15] Haha. [00:15] ubottu: forget 2.0 being written in python again? [00:15] I'll forget that, Flannel [00:16] alright, have fun [00:16] Flannel: There hasn't been a discussion about how the bot's code would change at the moment, but we had discussed using django for the web ui [00:16] don't fry servers [00:17] Pici: I'm just worried about the bot itself. If I'm starting out on another plugin, should I write it for supybot? or for whatever we're going to use in the future? [00:17] considering I know nothing about supybots plugin system (or any other bots), nows the time to change! ;) [00:18] Flannel: Well, we haven't discussed changing the factoid system at this point in time. [00:18] alright, just all the other stuff. [00:18] Sounds good, what I needed to know. [00:19] * Flannel should've just asked in -ircbots-team [01:38] hello [01:43] zhxk: How can we help you? [01:46] may i back to ubuntu? [01:50] zhxk: I need to discuss the situation with some of the other operators. [02:34] nalioth, Pricey or jussi01, could one of you look at Mystic (n=Mystic@94.23.22.190). Its a bot idling in a lot of our channels, is this something for staff or do we have to go around an remove from each one? [02:34] Hello operator people! The second URL in !mailserver is incorrect; I submitted a replacement a few hours ago that probably should be applied :) [02:36] Pici: feel free to remove it from all #ubuntu-space [05:29] anyone know why I would be getting a fair amount of messages saying #ubuntu-unregged? [05:30] messages from whom, and saying what exactly? [05:30] pastebin if there's lots. [05:31] saying exactly "#ubuntu-unregged" from 6 different nicks [05:32] i've got no idea and cannot find anything out without knowing what nicks. [05:34] you were at one point in that channel. it usually happens when there's a mass-join from a botnet for example. it could possibly have been something the botnet was doing. [05:35] by 'it usually happens' i mean, 'people get sent there usually' [05:36] i cant be more precise without more information. [05:55] hrm, looks like a botnet originating from liken0ther.no-ip.biz [05:56] nicks I still have were gokturk_, msds1502, Spykemcc, surplusxmas, uknow [06:28] Vantrax, as per your comment in #canonical-sysadmin, which channels have comcast illinois blocked within the #*buntu* namespace. [07:07] mibbit is allowed on freenode again? or was that just a ban to the #freenode channel [07:07] bazhang: what?where? [07:09] nalioth, * mib_q42pz5ln (i=d2d40558@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/session) has joined #ubuntu [07:09] 7 or so minutes ago [07:10] interesting [07:16] we need to take mibbit out of the floodbots [07:17] hmmm why? [07:17] just stop the excempting ? [07:17] ikonia: yes [07:18] why? [07:18] Myrtti: mibbit is not welcome here on freenode for reasons i can't go into, but i'm sure you'd agree with [07:18] and i'm quite sure you can think of some, yourself [07:18] nalioth: er. logic fallacy [07:18] atm, mibbit is slipping through the cracks and joining the network [07:19] Myrtti: think what you could do with peoples passwords [07:21] I thought *Ubuntu* and especially #ubuntu had nothing against mibbit just as long as it comes through floodbots. Surely it's not an issue that can be solved with taking the excempts from the floodbots, but with Freenode doing their magic? And, there's gazillion and one Ubuntu IRC channels that don't have a problem with mibbit, or don't have floodbots. We're to forget them and just play charades that #ubuntu is the one and only channel we manage? [07:22] I can think of what I can do with peoples passwords, but then again, it seems to me to be more of an issue to be solved by the network, not by operators of a single, albeit big, channel [07:23] I know Freenode staff folks are busy doing their magic and all, but isn't "lets solve the problem by removing the excempt from the floodbots" a bit like climbing to a tree ass first? [07:24] noting also that if the floodbots didn't have the excemption in place, this whole thing might have not even be noticed that easy [07:24] :) [07:24] correct me if I'm wrong. [07:25] well, freenode didn't cut 'em off w/o some very good reasons [07:25] I thought they did. [07:25] * nalioth removes the double negatives [07:25] I seem to remember a big outcry by several people couple weeks ago [07:25] "oh noes, no mibbit anymore" [07:25] freenode had some very good reasons to cut mibbit off [07:26] some of which are viewable on the freenode blog [07:26] so we're to micromanage freenode now? [07:27] forget i said anything [07:35] fixing mbr is a Ubuntu issue? [07:36] if it's been "broken" by Ubuntu or an attempt to uninstall it... IIRC [07:36] okay thanks for the clarification, never had that issue myself [07:37] me neither, but I've also never uninstalled it [07:37] seems they are recommending piracy to fix it [07:54] Grant-A called the ops in #ubuntu () [08:00] grant-a hopefully incoming [08:02] why hopefully? [08:02] because it'd avoid polluting #u [08:03] oh meh. I dont want to see him in here anytime soon. [08:03] jussi01, i'd rather him here than confusing the #u crowd [08:07] oh christ, I should be at the laundrette [08:12] please handle jacques whoever [08:12] I need to *go* [08:12] hi [08:12] * Myrtti runs to the laundrette [08:13] jacquesdupontd, hi, have you read the guidelines for the ubuntu channels yet? [08:13] ok i'm mainly here to help but sometimes i have a human feeling to speak with people from all around the world, isn't linux all about sharing ? yes then i'll join off-topic [08:13] sharing is one thing. oversharing and misbehaving is another. [08:14] elky, be sure that i know it it makes 5 years that i'm in ubuntu community [08:14] right, and when in that 5 years did 'being offtopic and ranting about drunkeness in #ubuntu' become acceptable? [08:14] elky, i agree but don't make be the guy passing in front of justice that's ok i didn't hurt anybody and there was no problem to solve and i excuse myself for that [08:15] elky, the thing is that i was mainly on the fr channel but i mostly prefer world channel [08:16] elky, anyway i agree you there is rules [08:16] jacquesdupontd, i just want to know that you're going to behave by the guidelines and be fair to the other chatters who are looking for help, not your current blood alcohol level. [08:17] elky, it was a joke my blood alcohol (that you seems to dislike a lot) is ok i could drive without having penalities [08:17] and i'll be fair [08:17] that's what i like to do [08:17] is that fair to people who are frustrated and looking for help with their computers? [08:17] as i do my other works on the computer [08:18] elky, it's not but there was nobody otherwise i would have tried to help as always [08:18] as i have been helped and i respect that a lot [08:19] in the future, avoid it even if it looks ok. in the meantime, jussi says he's lifted the mute, so you can continue with the actual topic of #ubuntu now. [08:19] ok thx, btw can we talk about ubuntu just a bit here ? [08:19] i see there's update on jaunty [08:19] about kernel [08:20] i putted 29 but this is an update for the 28-14 [08:20] jacquesdupontd: perhaps #ubuntu-kernel or #ubuntu-offtopic ? [08:20] wich is logic [08:20] jacquesdupontd, the irc team doesn't make development decisions. [08:20] jacquesdupontd: yeah, we arent support in here ;) [08:20] haha [08:21] ok [08:21] make me op then could be a big big progression in 10 minutes [08:21] ? [08:21] "joke" i go back to my #ubuntu channel [08:21] jacquesdupontd: now now, read the topic ;) [08:22] i read it and noticed there was nothing on xubuntu [08:22] as it disapeared ? [08:22] #xubuntu is the channel [08:22] jacquesdupontd: there is an xubuntu channel, #xubuntu [08:22] ok etc.. [08:22] !idle | jacquesdupontd [08:22] jacquesdupontd: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries. [08:22] thx see ya [08:46] back for 15 mins [08:59] nnnggghhhhghghghghghghghghg http://paste.ubuntu.com/235718/ [09:01] why do I IRC? Why do I bother trying to help the community with the about only way I can? [09:01] it's not getting me anywhere [09:01] I feel like banging my head to the wall every single day [09:02] endless stream of frustration [10:38] * Myrtti fears for the answer [10:40] I knew it [10:43] * popey wonders if he has someone accidentally on /ignore of if Myrtti really is talking to herself [10:43] s/of/or [10:43] popey: looking at #ubuntu and banging my head to the wall [10:44] ah, standard operating procedure then [10:44] popey: "I want to remove windows, how can I do it" "format the drive it's on" "but is it dangerous" "could be" "oh, you've installed Ubuntu with Wubi..." [10:44] "uh-oh" [10:46] http://popey.com/blog/2009/07/16/migrating-from-wubi-to-full-ubuntu-install/ :) [10:46] * Myrtti needs coffee [10:47] popey: that's basically the road they're traveling now [10:47] I need coffee, or I'll fall over and fall asleep [10:50] * elky noms expensive icecream [10:51] * Mamarok larts elky for giving me unhealthy ideas and dives into the frezer for Mövenpick Maple Walnut [10:52] Mamarok, it's expensive icecream, which means it tends to last me more than a few days. it' the *healthy* option :P [10:52] cheaper stuff disappears into milkshakes too easily [10:52] yeah, my problem is that I can hardly stop when I begin with :( [10:53] I solve the problem by not buying ice cream ;-) apart from ice lolly now and then [10:53] http://www.flickr.com/photos/8294638@N02/3751171125/ [10:54] Myrtti, if i do that, i find myself buying candy instead. [10:55] elky: I don't buy candy either :-D [10:55] Myrtti, :( [10:55] your pantry is no fun. [10:56] yeah, ingredients for pasta, pancakes, curries, casseroles, porridges [10:56] expensive coffee and lots of tea [10:57] coffee, yes please [10:57] right now my "candy" of choice is probiotic power shot drink that tastes like strawberry and blueberry [10:58] one a day and I hope the tummy ache doesn't come back [10:59] looks yummy [11:18] @mark [11:18] (mark [] []) -- Creates an entry in the Bantracker as if was kicked from with the comment , if is given it will be uses as the comment on the Bantracker, is only needed when send in /msg [11:19] @mark #ubuntu n2diy had a lengthy conversation in pm about the correct place of offtopic discussion. Fun is bending and breaking the rules, and we'll strangle #ubuntu to death if we try to keep #ubuntu support only [11:19] The operation succeeded. [11:33] right, so if we try to keep #ubuntu "support only" it will fail to be "support only"? [11:33] i'm confused here. [11:33] * gnomefreak even more so ;) [11:34] elky: I got quite tired and frustrated at the end [11:34] Myrtti, i'm tired just trying to parse the logic. [11:35] at least he's honest [11:36] * Myrtti takes her emp and changes the battery on it [11:38] Myrtti, um... asking eye colour in -ot [11:38] i ask... why? [11:38] I have no idea [11:39] mine are blue if anyone is interested [11:39] ikonia, share that with -ot :) [11:40] there we go, now all are aware [11:40] ikonia, oddly despite your surname making me *think* of Mr Darcy from P&P, I have for some reason always pictured you blond and blueeyed [11:40] i have no clue why [11:40] it's the truth [11:40] maybe you said some other time in the past [11:40] most people are dissapointed that I am the oposite of Mr Darcy [11:40] Mr. Darcy ♥ [11:41] now I can dissapoint Myrtti [11:41] * Myrtti watched P&P three times during the weekend [11:41] the series, not the movie, I might add [11:41] Myrtti: there is an event in Bath each weekend "have tea with Mr Darcy" [11:41] a P&P tea party [11:41] oooo [11:42] incoming [11:42] watching English period dramas just caught me by surprise that I'm planning moving to UK [11:42] hmm iirc mr. darcy wasn't even a particularly nice guy [11:42] topyli: he had Finnish relatives. [11:42] Nice, but quite Finnish attitude [11:43] certainly finnish [11:43] Timmy2Tall, hello there. [11:43] Timmy2Tall, hi [11:43] I need to speak to a supervisor [11:43] plenty of us here, Timmy2Tall [11:43] Timmy2Tall, our appeals process states that you should talk it through here before going "up the ladder" [11:43] !appeals [11:43] If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page. [11:44] Timmy2Tall: i trust you know why you're banned [11:45] he is muted in #ubuntu as well [11:45] Hey don't try to use your big words to intimidate me. I know my rights as an american. [11:45] Not really. Why? [11:45] Timmy2Tall, your locale has absolutely nothing to do with anything here. [11:46] Timmy2Tall: trolling is not allowed. also, irc is not part of the US. you have privileges but no rights [11:46] Well i tried to talk it out. I wanna speak to the Co-founder. [11:46] Whats the next room? [11:47] Timmy2Tall, please follow the appeals process as has already been stated to you by ubottu [11:47] alright. hey can i idle in here [11:49] we much rather you didn't idle here, out of consideration for others who need to discuss issues. [11:49] Timmy2Tall, so far you've not been cooperative on your own issue though. Maybe you'd like to try. [11:49] You guys really need a sence of humor. Ever seen Dark Knight? "Why so serious!?, Lets put a smile on that face!" [11:50] Well my issue is that i was wrongfully accused for disrupted a Off-Topic Room in which i was clearly off-topic [11:51] Timmy2Tall, how did said accusation differ from what happened? [11:52] Timmy2Tall: we can talk about your ban on this channel. our sense of humor has little to do with it [11:53] Timmy2Tall, did you need support in #ubuntu ? I saw offtopic chat and profanity, but no actual support question [11:53] Well for one I was banned without warning, i was un-aware of my crimes(if any) to begin with. I truly beleave this was a conflict of intrest pertaining to me. [11:54] Oh i had a topic, i asked about firefox and was then silenced for my question..as if i was a prisoner with a number that had spoken up without permission [11:54] Timmy2Tall, you are currently only muted in #ubuntu [11:54] My profanity was justified. [11:55] I'm a sailor [11:55] Timmy2Tall, how is firefox made is hardly a support question [11:55] no profanity is justified in Ubuntu channels. [11:55] and I call for troll. [11:55] Yah and Myrtti called me a troll [11:55] Timmy2Tall: for the record, you were not banned without warning. you were advised several times on -offtopic to familiarise yourself with the guidelines of the channel [11:55] by at least two different people too [11:56] Timmy2Tall: for what I understand, you're to cause nothing but trouble, knowingly, with no intention to use any of the Ubuntu IRC channels according to the guidelines and rules [11:56] Timmy2Tall, you came in with profanity, then went to -offtopic channel with the same. you were banned then returned to ubuntu and continued offtopic, profanity etc [11:56] firefox isnt made its written and for that question you might look for a firefox channel (cant remember what server its on atm) i havent been in there in a few months [11:56] So Firefox & ubunto have no link to one another what so ever? [11:56] either way not a support question [11:56] Timmy2Tall: ubuntu happens to have firefox as the default browser, but it could be midori, epiphany or chromium as well. [11:57] Timmy2Tall: the way its packaged it does. join #ubuntu-mozillateam to continue this further after you have finished with the oither ops and your crimes. i also agree with them on why you were muted [11:57] How long am i muted for? [11:58] if he resolves this and knows to remain on topic (minus the profanity) I have no problems lifting the mute [11:58] I can do that. I'm actually intrested in learning more about this ubunto you speak of. [11:58] your ban will be removed once we think it will be safe to do so [11:58] Timmy2Tall, we need assurances you wont continue as before [11:59] I've got 5 bucks on me, i dont know how much there paying you guys but 5 bucks is 5 bucks right? [11:59] Seems like a good enough inssurance [11:59] Timmy2Tall: ubunto? [11:59] it looks like a troll, it smells like a troll, it walks like a troll and it talks like a troll [11:59] okay never mind. [11:59] bazhang: Timmy2Tall please hold that thought [11:59] damnit [11:59] bazhang: and topyli please hold that thought [11:59] gnomefreak, sure [11:59] Dont call me a troll gnome [12:00] Timmy2Tall: i didnt [12:00] Timmy2Tall: i asked you a question im waiting for an answer [12:00] You told me to hold that thought [12:01] ubuntu* [12:01] Timmy2Tall: i meant topyli not you autocompletion error [12:02] ok thanks. i agree with topyli on when it should be removed. [12:02] How do you guys know it will be safe? [12:03] * gnomefreak still has a strange feeling but hey could be yesterdays lunch [12:03] Timmy2Tall: we see all [12:03] Timmy2Tall, we've been doing this stuff for years. We Know. [12:03] Can you see what im doing right now? [12:03] right now, you're typing at a keyboard and looking at a computer screen. [12:03] This is like something straight out of the twilight zone. [12:04] see no need to lift the mute. [12:04] Timmy2Tall: i can see what you are *not* doing. you're not trying to assure us that you will behave in the future [12:04] should be ban? [12:04] I was just being sarcastic [12:04] geez [12:04] bazhang: mute is fine for now [12:04] Myrtti, okay thanks. have to step away for a minute [12:05] Timmy2Tall: sarcasm doesn't translate well over internet [12:06] heck, it often doesn't even translate in meatspace. [12:06] lol touche [12:07] Hey anyone of you guys know a good remedy for reducing the itch of a bug bite? [12:07] Wait [12:07] I do have one question [12:08] Aloe. [12:08] It has nothing to pertain to ubuntu but i'll make you a deal if you anwser. I'll leave all ubuntu chats at peace and never return. [12:09] Here's my question. [12:09] deal eh? [12:09] When calling a cell phone, if it goes directly to voice mail. what does it mean? [12:09] * gnomefreak agrees with Myrtti [12:09] Timmy2Tall, that varies on the cell phone settings and the carrier. We cannot give a definitive answer. [12:10] might i suggest noone answers that question :( too late [12:10] AT&T [12:10] we still cannot give a definitive answer. [12:10] ahh c'mon guys, u all seem like smart ppl [12:10] Timmy2Tall: if you have no further issues with the ban, please leave the channel, since this channel is for operator business only [12:11] damn talk about a stick in the mud. fine l8r guys. [12:11] for at&t i can however i wont. this question has some sort of back end to it [12:11] huh? [12:12] hooray! [12:12] noone just asks that question while defending actions [12:12] * gnomefreak leaning torwards troll [12:12] hehe [12:13] only leaning? [12:13] it was clear from the start he had nothing but troublemaking in his mind [12:13] he had a very not nice entry to #ubuntu and -ot [12:13] i mean, seriously. he joins a channel with 'hi bitches' and when told to not be rude, changes it to 'hi shit-heads'. [12:13] [13:35] < Myrtti> Timmy2Tall: did you come here to discuss or cause trouble? [12:13] [13:35] < Timmy2Tall> Oh i'm looking for trouble! [12:13] bingo! [12:13] now -mozillateam but hes easy to ban since -ops has nothing to do with it :) [12:13] well damn [12:14] whats with n2diy [12:15] ;) [12:15] .:07:14:24:. < gnomefreak > Timmy2Tall: dont start with me, im alot tougher than those ops you spoke to [12:15] we had a lengthy conversation earlier and now he's targeting me [12:15] I read that, but he is getting reallly creepy now [12:15] he is [12:16] I just love it when I'm singled out [12:16] n2diy Myrtti? [12:17] in -ot [12:18] remove timmy2tall from #ubuntu ? [12:18] Myrtti, please say it outright in -ot. [12:18] bazhang: yes [12:18] bazhang, not unless he is disrupting somehow [12:18] elky, he is muted [12:18] bazhang: im about to ban him in -mozillatema [12:18] mozillateam even [12:18] bazhang: if he's muted, he's not causing trouble [12:18] Myrtti, true [12:19] bazhang: if he wants to learn about this ubontu, then let him stay [12:19] elky: it is clear he is looking for trouble at least what he is going on about in -mozillateam. [12:19] no better place to learn [12:19] well mute doesn't necessarily mean no trouble... without naming names here [12:19] telling me in PM that my actions are un-american [12:19] bazhang, i'm sure your non-american self is crying in shame too. [12:19] heh [12:20] he does know his rights as an american, remember :) [12:24] is he the "bad" paddy? [12:24] Paddy [12:24] still the weird cell phone questions [12:25] or is he the one that doesnt cause trrouble [12:25] he varies [12:25] and yes i agree it is creepy btw [12:25] today is bad [12:25] im seeing this [12:26] * gnomefreak should know better than to stop working for a day [12:26] he was banned from -ot for a long stretch previously [12:28] gnomefreak: this paddy isn't our dear paddy1 if that's what you mean [12:28] I need to go read Jono's burnout slides [12:28] this is paddy_eire [12:28] not paddy_melon [12:29] topyli: thanks thats what i menat. [12:31] thats not going to work no matter how much i hope [12:31] be back smoke [12:34] paddy is usually fine, often borderline and has absolutely no idea how to learn from mistakes [12:36] he helps us test and answer questions so maybe hit did work. i have to check with asac later if it is him [12:36] the updated for 8.10 and 8.10's whole managment as a project has impressed the hell out of me [12:37] ikonia: 8.10 ---> 8.10 [12:37] yes [12:38] still getting meaningful updates for it [12:38] by far the best product and managed ubuntu release I can think of [12:38] ah that would be 8.10.2 or .3 than [12:38] (although I'm probably blocking out some of the negatives as I'm impressed with it) [12:38] gnomefreak: 8.10 base [12:39] ikonia: wait for kamic boot time :) [12:39] ~18secs [12:39] Factoid 18secs not found [12:39] boot time isn't the decidig factor for me [12:39] no criitical flaws on launch, quick resolution of problems, meaningful updates [12:39] my only critisism is the backports process but that's a criticisim for every release [12:40] * gnomefreak prefers 9.04 to 8.10 and i was wrong 8.10 doesnt have . releases [12:40] i was thinking 8.04 [12:41] ahh [12:42] paddy left and -ot turned into a nice channel [12:42] thats new [12:46] timtall is in -devel asking wine questions :( [12:47] * gnomefreak no longer leaning now im sure troll [12:48] can someone with ops in -devel keep an eye on him [12:49] okey dokey [12:51] the whol;e lets see how it goes before we remove the mute i think is in trash IMHO [12:52] why me now hes in my PM [12:55] he's also in -uk being silly, but nothing offensive [12:55] just daft [12:56] offensive wasnt the problem it was the offtopic things he said AFAIK and he seems to be moving from one channel to another doing it [12:56] * gnomefreak guessing #ubuntu-uk is support [12:57] loco channel, so loco stuff [12:57] and some support [12:57] ah [12:57] none going on right now though [12:59] popey, so he at least learned how to greet people civilly by now? [12:59] heh [12:59] * elky looks [12:59] ok, semi-civilly [12:59] inane drivel [13:00] so like most irc regulars, then [13:13] In ubottu, janisozaur said: !pl is Na tym kanale używamy tylko języka angielskiego. Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl. [13:14] !pl is Na tym kanale używamy tylko języka angielskiego. Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl. [13:14] But pl already means something else! [13:15] !no pl is Na tym kanale używamy tylko języka angielskiego. Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl. [13:15]