[00:00] GS3User007, do you have a kubuntu live cd ? [00:01] nothing with ext4 support [00:01] BluesKaj: I am dling a copy of karmic right now though [00:02] BluesKaj: I assume that "sudo update-grub" made a backup copy of the previous menu.lst somewhere? [00:02] BluesKaj: If so, where would it be, and would putting it back into /boot/grub/ fix my issue? [00:08] GS3User007, I'm not sure which version of grub is defasult on karmic but i suspect it's grub2 in which case the file has changed from /boot/grub/menu.lst to /boot/grub/grub.cfg from [00:09] GS3User007, ignore thatr last "from" :) [00:13] BluesKaj: I was hoping to just mount the exising / partition and replace the new file the tool generated with the old one... [00:14] my system cpu usage goes way up when the system blanks, anyone seen this? [00:15] GS3User007, well there are some changes required to run ext4, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1033163 [00:15] BBL ...errands to do [00:16] hi [00:17] qw[bline]: what do you mean by "system blanks:? [00:19] Screen blanks [00:19] cpu goes up [00:19] and cpu temp jumps to almost 80 by morning [00:19] this is just leaving my system along over night [00:19] s/along/alone/ [00:20] qw[bline]: i haven't noticed anything like that on my laptop [00:20] it's actually rather cool in the morning after having been idle all night === tonii_ is now known as tonii [00:20] sorry [00:21] nvidia chipset [00:21] maybe it's some app being retarded [00:21] firefox is probably a good guess [00:21] i've got an nvidia chipset as well, and usually leave firefox open for days at a time :P [00:28] do i need use defragment and ccleaner on linux ? [00:28] noquinho: no [00:29] thx [00:29] hello [00:30] when i press letter with accent i get strange things like Ã© Ãš ÃŽ Ã§ Ã on other software it is not the case any idea ? [00:30] !defrag [00:30] The default Ubuntu filesystem (ext3) is engineered to avoid fragmentation issues in most cases, see http://linkpot.net/behead/ for a simple example on how it achieves this. [00:33] thx [00:35] only in qt apps any idÃ©e [00:35] i use xinput-driver not evdev [00:35] mardi_: a couple of thoughts... you could have the wrong keyboard selected in system settings, or perhaps the software in question needs some sort of language pack [00:35] GS3User007, it was not the case 2 hours ago [00:36] i dont use the keybors layout from kde but the xorg.conf config file [00:36] because of using xinput-drivers instead of evdev [00:36] mardi_: isn't xorg.conf being phased out or something? [00:36] mardi_: does the one in kde work? [00:37] mardi_, xorg.conf is becoming difficult to edit , what kubuntu version do have ? [00:37] i do not use kubuntu [00:37] just kde4 [00:37] do you remember in windows the option system informations ? i need this in my ubuntu . Do we have something like that ? [00:38] mardi_: you should maybe join #kde for kde specific issues [00:39] ok thanks .. (*buntu ) are channel where real people answer quicly that's why i came here :) === kevin is now known as ki4anr [00:40] me too [00:40] english, but i try :) [00:40] system settings [01:02] BluesKaj: you around? [01:16] Are there any kernel compilers in the house? [01:30] Is there some way I can tell kubuntu (or is it vbox?) to quit sticking my windows to the edge of the screen? [01:34] Serpardum- did you check System Settings -> Window Behavior? [01:37] I think that did it, Dragnslcr, thanks [01:37] set the snap zones to none [01:51] Anyone else having issues w/ KDE 4.3 RC3 and the latest Linux 2.6.28-14 update? [01:51] i.e. no more window borders [01:51] and windows all appear in top left of screen [01:51] and no compositing [01:51] :( === voxtuur is now known as old-faltenface [01:56] Well... thank god for being able to downgrade linux [01:57] There is almost def a problem w/ kde 4.3 and linux 2.6.28-14 === Pricey is now known as PriceChild === PriceChild is now known as Pricey [02:19] Is there a way to turn off the alt+leftClick to move a window for a specific window - say a game running in wine? [02:20] i installed 9.0.4 on my laptop and everything went ok, it boots up ok, i login, but once its done loading kde, there's no GUI anywhere. just a background. no menu, no icons. anyone know what could be wrong? [02:24] sos: can you hit alt+F2 and start anything? [02:25] let me try [02:26] sos: i had a problem with plasma dieing - i couldn't see anything, but KDE was still working [02:32] hello. [02:33] I configured INADYN to update a dynamic ip service. I added the command inside rc.local however rc.local does not run on start-up. If I run it like: ./rc.local start it runs the command. Any ideas? === Joschi__ is now known as Joschi [02:51] GSF1200S, hello again [02:51] problem soved [02:51] solved [02:51] it wxas about locale generation [02:51] not about kde [02:52] éé é [02:52] hey everyone, is the "kde4.3 not shutting down" bug a known issue? [02:53] zayx, do you use kdm or gdm ? [02:53] kdm [02:53] or something else [02:53] and im testing karmic [02:54] everything works as normal except for after clicking the "shutdown dialog" it does nothing [02:54] weird thing is hibernate works fine [02:55] im guessing no one else here is on karmic and having the same problems? [03:00] hmmm is there a place i can read more about these "packaging issues" mentioned in the motd? [03:01] What is the channel for KUbuntu developers? [03:01] that would be nice to know [03:02] kub1: #kubuntu-devel [03:02] Are there any KUbuntu developers in this channel now? Ever? [03:02] Pici: thanks [03:03] zayx: What packaging issues? [03:03] "Do not install KDE 4.3 beta unless you are an experienced user, there still are packaging issues" [03:03] its in the motd [03:04] i think im gonna ask around the devel channel you mentioned [03:04] zayx: Probably a good idea [03:07] Hi all! I'm using Kubuntu (Karmic) which has Inkscape 0.47 in the repositories as the default. My question is how can I go about obtaining Inkscape 0.46 using kpackagekit as I'm having some issues creating Plasma theme elements with 0.47 [03:08] I would rather not try to compile it if I don't have to =) [03:09] hi jmtodaro, just curious if you are having a problem shutting down/rebooting from the kde 4.3 menu? [03:10] zayx: where was that motd you just mentioned? [03:10] zayx: Sorry I have not encountered any issues with that yet, However I haven't updated today. [03:10] My kde4 usually shuts down right, but one time it didn't work. I think it was caused by one of my open applications. [03:10] top of chat window [03:10] hmm [03:11] do you guys use wicd or netwrokmanager? [03:11] jmtodaro: not sure how to do it with kpackagekit but in synaptic you can enable the old repos and force version [03:12] neither ;) [03:12] el_: you just use something like dhclient? [03:12] My atheros card doesn't need any network manager in order to not work correctly ;) [03:12] I use /etc/network/interfaces [03:12] the network manager plasmoid is saying i'm not connected to the internet, yet here I speak [03:12] el_: lol :P [03:13] zayx: thanks, I might have to give that a try if I can't find a better solution [03:14] zayx: was that to me, you said the motd you referred to was ¨in the top of the chat window¨? - ie, this #dubuntu channel message? I don´t see the motd message you mentioned ther now. ?? [03:15] me either...it says that rc3 will be hitting backports (disable if you don't want it) [03:15] kubl: yes [03:15] its at the end of the message [03:16] oh wait [03:16] I can say from expeirence that I had very little luck with it as a backport on Jaunty, but it works great with Karmic [03:16] sorry i didnt realize this irc client keeps an inline history [03:17] kub1, depending on your client it could also be in the intro when you logged on to the chat [03:17] Of course, with my ISP, I might as well NOT be connected to the 'net [03:17] Topic for #kubuntu is "Official Kubuntu support | Kubuntu 9.04 Released http://www.kubuntu.org/news/9.04-release | FAQ: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FAQ | Free 9.04 (KDE 4) CDs https://shipit.kubuntu.org | KDE 4.2.3 for 9.04 http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.2.3 | Pastes: http://paste.ubuntu.com | Chat in #kubuntu-offtopic | Do not install KDE 4.3 beta unless you are an experienced user, there still are packaging issues" [03:17] old motd [03:18] jmtodaro: the only problem i have is that kde wont properly shutdown when using the "leave" menu [03:19] hi all, I'm thinking of moving /home into a separate partition and was wondering if then I would be able to resize the /home partition in a new install of kubuntu? [03:19] zayx: Well, that isn't so bad compared to the way my install was working =) [03:20] zayx: when you said "enable the old repos" do you mean to enable jaunty repos, or is there another way? [03:21] jmtodaro: yes, just copy/paste all the karmic repos and swap "karmic" with "jaunty" [03:21] liz: you can do it, but it's not good to resize partitions with data in them - not safe [03:22] Walzmyn: even if it's to make it bigger? [03:22] jmtodaro: i also find synaptic to be far superior to any other available package manager [03:23] liz: it's one of those things that *shouldn't* give you a problem, but i'd darn sure not do it with out haveing a good backup [03:23] * Walzmyn agrees with zayx [03:23] i personally removed all traces of packagekit due to it being nearly useless [03:24] liz: I don't think it's ever 100% safe to resize a partition with data in it. It would be best to make backups of anything important before trying. [03:24] Walzmyn: I see, well thanks, was just wondering [03:24] kpackagekit is okay...I agree synaptic is alot more flexible though =) [03:25] then again liz, I keep backups even when i'm not planning on resizeing anything :) [03:26] the lack of functionality present in kpackagekit drives me nuts [03:26] liz: It is very much worth putting /home on it's own partition though...makes reinstalls a breeze =) [03:26] my prob is my backup would be 20gb+ and I don't have an external drive... only found out about separate /home recently [03:26] it wouldnt be so bad if they had a fe as capable as synaptic [03:26] !he [03:26] לשיחות בשפה העברית ולגישה לקהילת המשתמשים העברית אנא הקלד: [03:26] /join #ubuntu-il [03:26] oh that's so cute [03:26] sounds much better especially if wanting to install a new version of kubuntu [03:27] jmtodaro: my thoughts exactly [03:27] liz: kubuntu wont overwrite your /home folder on install [03:27] so you can simply rm all the other system folders and reinstall [03:28] unless you are changing partition type === jmtodaro is now known as jmt [03:29] interesting! I didn't know that =) [03:29] zayx: it did on my previous pc, but since it was a fresh install I created a separate /home at the very beginning [03:29] liz: just use the manual partitioning and set the existing partitions as / and swap [03:30] then it wont get reformatted [03:31] could be tricky to do, but it does sound safer than resizing without a backup [03:31] as long as you dont reformat and use the same information there should be no problem [03:31] zayx: ok so the trick is to use manual partitioning so that it won't reformat [03:32] btw resizing partitions will also change their uuid [03:32] liz: yep (be sure the "format" checkbox is unchecked [03:34] ah ok, well thanks very much, that was my concern [03:34] yw [03:35] was thinking of upgrading to at least hardy kde4 but didn't want all data to be lost [03:35] hardy? [03:35] thats well aged there [03:36] cant you do a dist upgrade? [03:36] but everything works great in hardy :) [03:36] dist upgrade will give me jaunty [03:37] hmm [03:37] I'm using kde3.5 w/hardy [03:37] oooh [03:38] i get what you are doing now [03:38] cant you just add the backports ppa? [03:39] don't know what that is [03:39] ah hold on [03:42] i think [deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main] will work [03:44] so i installed 9.0.4. [03:44] no gui when i login, but there's a background [03:44] when i hit alt+f2, a little search box looking thing pops up [03:44] how can i go about getting everything else to show up? [03:45] zayx: just shows two folders dists/ and pool/ [03:46] sos: alt+F2 "konsole" then type "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade" [03:46] liz: that goes in your /etc/apt/sources.list [03:47] If i swap out the motherboard, should a kubuntu system be able to reconfigure itself on boot up? or do i need to grab my install cd? [03:47] liz: although it looks like the hardy repos are on kde4.1 so it might not be a good idea [03:47] lol [03:47] 4.1 was horrible still [03:47] i mean, i didnt expect it to work, but i just thought id verify that [03:47] can I ask what the kde4 desktop is? would that be installed side by side to 3.5? [03:47] iron it should work fine [03:48] liz: it should install along side just fine [03:48] zayx: its sitting at the initial startup screen with the progress bar unmoving for a while now. system is still responsive tho, just doesnt seem to be getting anywhere. [03:48] to be honest i might reinstall anyway. good time to do it i guess. [03:48] tho the new hardware a long will give that machine a jolt of life [03:49] thanks for the info, I will mess around and see what suits me best :) [03:49] hm.. it just dropped me into BusyBox, now [03:49] liz: fyi kde4.1 sucked and 4.3 is almost out so dont make a complete judgement call just yet [03:50] ok, so [03:50] that almost would've worked except i'm on wireless [03:50] iron: prob cant find your root partition [03:50] possible to get that working so it can fetch these packages? [03:50] i do think it moved [03:50] zayx: Thanks much :) [03:50] liz: np [03:51] can i edit fstab from the busybox shell? [03:51] sos i don't think so, i had to get some libraries updated to fix it on mine [03:51] sos can you plug it in? [03:51] iron: you need to be able to mount the partition with the config data on it first [03:52] * Walzmyn is going to bed [03:52] iron: it might be easier to do from a live cd [03:52] as long as ive got my expected cmds at hand i can do it. i can see what device the drive is at now and i can mount it myself to get at fstab [03:52] once i plug it in and run that [03:52] what should i do next? [03:52] but is there anything else ill need to edit, like kernel parameters? [03:53] cause it'll disconnect me from here [03:53] thanks for the help thus far [03:53] iron: sounds like a plan [03:53] iron: i wouldnt think so unless you have added something [03:54] ok this could be a reall dumb question but i cant seem to be able to make my desktop bigger so the icons will look smaller and ill have more room [03:54] i did forget one thing when i was putting the new stuff in there... its only got CD drives (aside from installation, i never use discs anymore, so i never think to upgrade them) [03:54] iron: however you will need to edit your "menu.lst" to reflect any uuid changes [03:54] and i dont even know where i havea any old cd-r to stick the live cd on [03:54] iron: you could make a "live usb" [03:55] never got into the habit of keeping usb keys handy. i stick everything on the ipod if i need it in my pocket. [03:55] lol [03:55] the tubes have made every physical kind of storage sort of unused for me, ya know? [03:55] yea i hear ya [03:56] but keeping a cheap usb drive around is handy [03:56] here i was worried id have to upgrade the old 40GB in this machine, too, but it wasnt even using 10 [03:56] *one that you can boot from i should say* [03:56] yeah i'll probably grab a bulk of them from ebay "just in case" [03:57] i want to experiment anyway with running virtualbox with the vdisc on a key [03:58] i did that for a while running a server2008 install that i had on a second drive through vbox [03:58] it was interesting... [03:59] i am really absent minded in this whole project [03:59] completely forgot that the upgrade was also to 64bit [03:59] so it really makes even less sense not to just reinstall [03:59] lol [03:59] yea pretty much [04:00] it wouldnt be all that enjoyable to try migrating an existing install to 64 [04:00] i replaced 1GB, 1.6ghz, integrated video with 4GB, 2.2ghz x4, 512MB nv8400 [04:00] i think it'll be a frightening difference [04:01] but only if i remember what the hell im doing [04:01] lol [04:01] the latest 190 nvidia drivers are quite nice too [04:02] i think i still need to upgrade those on this machine (the one im on, not the one im upgrading) [04:03] im just hoping blur effect will stop causing that weird redraw-delay border around windows [04:03] at least i think its blur causing that [04:03] dont use a composited desktop so i cant help you there :/ [04:04] is their a way to make the desktop bigger or zoom out so i can fit more apps onto my netbook screen, like on windows you can change the resalution to get a bigger desktop,, any ideas how to do this [04:04] but if anything i think the latest nvidia drivers might help [04:04] im using it on dual screen. it has issues, but its fun. [04:04] the composited effects for desktop switching is the first time i could ever stand to use multiple desktops [04:04] webby: yea its under display in system settings [04:05] webby: you're on a netbook and you want to cram more on the screen? [04:05] think about that a second [04:05] you're probably already operating at the small LCD's native resolution [04:05] iron: yea i think compositing is great but for now it still interferes too much with non kde full screen apps [04:05] ya [04:06] zayx: hmm.. i didnt realize that. could that possibly be why ive been having some video problems? fullscreen flash or vlc crashes [04:06] makes hulu use sadly limited [04:06] i cant make it any bigger, darn i just hate opening firefox and only having a 2 iinch window to browse [04:06] iron: quite likely [04:07] well along with upgrading the other machine, i also upgraded this one including a newer nv model (8400 up from 7200) and if i upgrade those drivers, too, i hope that helps. [04:07] iron: there is also this annoying thing where my autohid menubar is still in the active forground when im playing a game :P [04:07] iron: it should the 7200 was still using legacy drivers i think [04:07] i can see how thatd be annoying [04:08] hm so i swapped out the card, but what should i do to get it using whatever the newest/correct drivers are? [04:09] nvidia-uninstall to remove current drivers [04:09] assuming you used the package from the nvidia site [04:10] otherwise you should be able to do an apt-get --purge remove nvidia* [04:10] ok, so [04:10] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade [04:10] hmm im not sure what i did in the first place so i guess if there is anything to purge, i used apt [04:10] ran that and i'm back to the prompt === sos_outside_guy is now known as sos [04:10] iron: yea [04:11] what should i do now? [04:11] my issue is no gui when i login [04:11] no menu/icons [04:11] sos: does /etc/init.d/kdm restart work? [04:11] one sec [04:11] is their a way to add a bookmark directory to the panel or desktop [04:12] operation not permitted [04:12] sudo it [04:12] k, restarting [04:12] ok [04:14] is it supposed to start back up on its own? [04:14] if you used the restart script then yes [04:14] are you at tty? [04:15] sweet. i dont remember when or why i downloaded a live CD, but i already had one for 9.04 on hand. [04:15] ctrl+alt+f1 log it as root and type '/etc/init.d/kdm restart && logout' [04:15] i'm at nothing [04:16] blank screen [04:16] its starting back up [04:16] ok [04:17] i think it powered down, but i started it back up [04:17] logged in [04:17] still nothing [04:17] just a background [04:17] sos: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [04:19] Hi. Can you help me with decorating amarok2? I'm new with this player. [04:19] sos: i dont know what happened to the guy that was helping you but im not sure what you can do at this point [04:19] that's fine, i understand [04:19] thanks for trying [04:20] sos: sounds like the plasma desktop is failing to start but i cant be sure [04:20] you can still get to the krunner interface with alt+f2 right? [04:21] So, how to change amarok look? I'll appreciate for link :) [04:21] zayx: I just wanted to say thanks for the help earlier...it totally worked =) [04:21] yeah i can [04:21] jmt: no prob [04:22] Does anybody use amaroK?? [04:22] sos: no rightclick context menu though, roght? [04:23] cali: amarok uses your current kwin theme if thats what you want to know [04:23] zayx: I want to change that ))) [04:23] Caliostro: It appears that it is not well documented yet...amarok2 theming i mean [04:24] cali: as far as i know amarok 2 doesnt yet support independant theming [04:24] correct, no right click [04:25] cali: you can change the color scheme of all qt4 items through system settings / appearance though [04:27] Ok, and where to get detailed instruction how to change global theme and modern themes? ;) [04:28] kde-look.org [04:29] sos: im not sure how to properly restart the plasma desktop through kdeinit but try to bring up a console and check through your logs [04:32] How to install this theme? http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/newdanna+set+(normal+and+lite+version)?content=26055 [04:34] cali: that theme is for amarok 1.x as i have said i dont believe amarok 2.x supports theming yet [04:35] uugh... i forgot how slloooww it is writing to cd-rw [04:37] zayx: btw, the previous "remove the current nv drivers" advice. well, whats that next step? confirmed im still on 180 drivers [04:40] how do i find out what drivers are installed already on my box? [04:41] drivers for what [04:41] wireless card [04:42] is it possible to put a bookmark menu in a panel or desktop === hemathor_ is now known as hemathor === sean is now known as papasmurfetta [04:56] heyy [04:57] i just installed kubuntu and i cant enable my wifi [04:57] can someone help? [05:01] hi [05:01] ктонить по русски тут говорит? [05:05] I have a little problem with my sound - it's stereo. I have 5.1 speakers and want that Kubuntu can play on all speakers :) === _thumper_ is now known as thumper === sean is now known as Guest15346 === Guest15346 is now known as papasmurfetta [05:17] How to 5.1 sound on Kubuntu??? [05:23] ubuntu en español cual es el canal? [05:25] ubuntu es [05:25] ?? [05:25] join #ubuntu-es [05:33] anyone in here ? [05:34] sure [05:34] hey [05:34] where ya from? [05:34] heyy, total linux newb here, is this a good place to ask for help or should i try somewhere else? [05:35] Teclys: If you run Kubuntu ask here first [05:35] it is [05:35] i have ubuntu 9.04 [05:36] how the FUCK do you get .mpg files to play? [05:36] * squirrel25 is going to put rolls in the oven and will return...pm please [05:36] squirrel25: Please watch the profanity. [05:37] * squirrel25 throws acorn [05:37] !mpg [05:37] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [05:38] thanks [05:39] sorry about that, something funky happened [05:39] i have a couple of questions, one with what i'm assuming will be a simple answer and the other not quite [05:41] first off, i started up kubuntu for the 7th or so time and now my active window has small white bars floating above and below it [05:42] does anyone know how i might get rid of them? [05:46] also, i was wondering if anyone here could help me set up my wireless adapter [05:52] is there somewhere else i might be able to get help? [06:24] kopete in 4.3 rc3 keeps crashing after connecting [06:24] jithine: do not use kopete [06:25] jithine: there is another programs better than kopete [06:29] estres: like? [06:29] i am looking for kde speecific [06:29] jithine: like amsn, esm, there is a lot better [06:30] jithine: you are trying to uose kopete for...? [06:31] gmail and yahoo [06:33] hello, how might I make my external usb drive work on kubuntu? [06:34] Im trying to edit my kmenu with "kmenueditor" but when I move the different sub sections around and click save they dont change. Why would it do this? === myst is now known as Guest26778 [07:20] hey [07:20] i need help [07:20] how to connect to undernet server [07:22] ?!? [07:24] koksy89: /server name-of-server-here [07:26] tnx [07:30] a ima li nekoj makedonac ili srbin [07:33] mozda i bugarin [07:36] I wonder if there'll ever be a Macedonian loco channel [08:10] list === C0m_BOY is now known as COm_BOY === fran is now known as Guest41636 === desti_T2 is now known as desti [09:32] . [09:34] salve [09:35] kopete have voice conversation?how do i start'it ?cant find the tab... === partyboy is now known as kikaha [09:41] kopete have voice conversation?how do i start'it ?cant find the tab... === zeroone is now known as zeroone_ [09:57] How do I install a PDF printer so that I can print all kinds of documents to a PDF file? [09:58] I have installed the package cups-pdf, and this seems to provide a PDF printer. Although nothing happens, when I print to this PDF printer. Where do the PDF file go? === jr is now known as RIddell [10:06] Hello, using kubuntu the akonadi server fails to start any time I try to open a program such as kopete. This is the error log: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/131653/ . How do I solve this? [10:06] Or how can I tell KDE to not use this akonadi server? [10:20] In Firefox, if I do File > Print, I see this: Printer: PDF; Status: /usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf failed [10:21] Hi. I'd like to mount an SSH directory in my fstab. I've followed this guide https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHFS and everything mount fine except that I'd like to mount it as my local user instead of root. How do I do that? [10:22] How do I fix this? [10:45] . [10:45] I have an issue with the update-notifier in kde 4.2.2: I have blocked packages, which should stay blocked. I get notified on updates for those everyday, making the notify icon stay permanent. Im missing important updates this way. [10:45] Any chance to configure this behaviour? === jr is now known as Riddelll === Riddelll is now known as Riddell [11:11] OliverKrueger: no, not really, at least not for now regarding the update notifier [11:11] Mamarok: ok, thanks. [11:12] OliverKrueger: what you can do ist just do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade which will not touch the packages held back === daven_ is now known as r00t3g [11:12] Mamarok: The upgrade works fine (leaving the blocked packags alone). This notification is the only thing. [11:13] well, you can close it and just perform a manual update and upgrade daily, so you don't miss anything [11:14] I like this nifty tray icon... ;) [11:14] OliverKrueger: are you shure you shouldn't upgrade those held back packages? It might just be that you don't have a necessary dependency installed [11:14] sure* [11:14] Its the kernel image, thats blocked. [11:15]