[00:12]  * billybigrigger just fell in love with xfce
[00:13] <billybigrigger> panel less and running gnome-do
[00:13] <billybigrigger> :O
[00:14] <Spaghetti-code> hmm damn airline broke my guitar
[00:17] <euxneks> billybigrigger: hm... I like xfce as well
[00:17] <Spaghetti-code> xfce
[00:18] <Spaghetti-code> i like x-window
[00:18] <Spaghetti-code> i like xerOS
[00:19] <euxneks> hrm.. isn't firefox 3.5 supposed to be the default browser for karmic?
[00:19] <billybigrigger> it will be, eventually
[00:19] <billybigrigger> not yet though
[00:19] <euxneks> ah
[00:37] <BUGabundo> just a quick hop before bed
[00:37] <BUGabundo> is everything ok?
[00:50] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, going to bed early tonight
[00:51] <BUGabundo> yep
[00:51] <BUGabundo> or trying to
[00:51] <BUGabundo> but you guys don't let me
[00:51] <BUGabundo> :p
[00:51] <BUGabundo> really really nice movie
[00:51] <BUGabundo> xman wolverine in drive in cinema, 1st row
[00:58] <billybigrigger> on your laptop haha
[00:59] <billybigrigger> watch the bloody movie, it's a good one
[00:59] <BUGabundo> no
[00:59] <BUGabundo> I was offline
[00:59] <BUGabundo> 'cause I was at the cinema
[01:00] <BUGabundo> now I'm back
[01:00] <billybigrigger> ohhh
[01:00] <billybigrigger> :P
[01:13] <BUGabundo> bye guys
[01:48] <DanaG> hmm, is Empathy supposed to lack voice options for contacts using iChat?
[01:48] <DanaG> (Over AIM protocol, specifically.)
[01:55] <alteregoa> i use SSB on 40m
[01:55] <andresmh> What is the best way to report bugs/regressions about Karmic? I just applied an update and the Suspend option disappeared from the Shut Down menu.
[01:56] <alteregoa> i think write a mail to tanenbaum, and he will speak to canonical
[01:56] <DanaG> !report
[01:56] <DanaG> !bug
[01:57] <andresmh> One issue is that I often don't know what package a bug belongs to.
[01:57] <andresmh> For example, what would be the package related to lack of Suspend option in the Shut Down menu, DanaG ?
[01:58] <DanaG> hmm, for me, I had to reinstall devicekit-power and some policykit stuff.
[01:59] <DanaG> sudo aptitude reinstall ~ndevicekit* ~npolicykit*
[01:59] <DanaG> the ~n is odd... but what it does is to match by name.
[01:59] <DanaG> ~n for name.  Yeah, aptitude is odd like that.
[02:00] <andresmh> DanaG, was that message re devicekit for me?
[02:00] <DanaG> yeah.
[02:04] <dr3mro> hey guys did karmic fix video tearing in video with intel graphic cards i have slow internet and i cant test but i wonder if it fixed that
[02:05] <dr3mro> hey guys did karmic fix video tearing in video with intel graphic cards i have slow internet and i cant test but i wonder if it fixed that
[02:06] <boss_mc> !repeat | dr3mro
[02:07] <virtuald> /var/log/tiger/check_ftpusers.out.1:--FAIL-- [netw018f] Administrative user kernoops allowed access in /etc/ftpusers
[02:07] <andresmh> DanaG: I got a bunch of messages like this "devicekit is not currently installed, so it will not be reinstalled."
[02:07] <andresmh> but I went ahead anyway
[02:07] <DanaG> Yeah, that's correct behavior.
[02:07] <andresmh> I'm still not seeing the Suspend option though, do I need to restart Xorg?
[02:08] <DanaG> The intent is to reinstall only those that are actually installed.  =þ     It's just easiest to match all by name.
[02:08] <DanaG> Perhaps restart policykit daemon.
[02:09] <andresmh> how to do that DanaG ?
[02:09] <DanaG> Hmm, I seem to remember having trouble with that -- I had to manually kill the daemon.
[02:09] <DanaG> sudo killall polkitd-1
[02:09] <DanaG> sudo invoke-rc.d policykit start
[02:10] <andresmh> cool, i executed both and no errors but Suspend is still not showing up
[02:10] <DanaG> And then go to system->admin->authorizations
[02:10] <bcurtiswx> devicekit supposed to be removed in favor of devicekit-power?
[02:11] <DanaG> Hopefully you should see org.devicekit.power.(whatever) things
[02:12] <andresmh> I only see freedesktop > policiykit
[02:12] <DanaG> er, I might've messed up the path.
[02:13] <DanaG> Do you happen to have the "ubuntu-desktop" PPA enabled?  That's what broke things for me.
[02:14] <andresmh>  grep desktop /etc/apt/sources.list  returns no results DanaG
[02:14] <bcurtiswx> anyone know if devicekit is suppose to be removed in favor of devicekit-power ?
[02:14] <DanaG> bcurtiswx: yes, that is normal.  The changelog for devicekit-power reports that the plain 'devicekit' package has been eliminted.
[02:14] <DanaG> eliminated.
[02:15] <DanaG> andresmh: might be easiest just to reboot, perhaps.
[02:15] <bcurtiswx> ah, i didn't know changelogs did that
[02:15] <andresmh> ok, i'll do that
[02:15] <DanaG> Or rather, "somebody noted in the changelog" -- it's not a procedurally generated thing.  =þ
[02:15] <DanaG> wait a bit
[02:15] <bcurtiswx> DanaG: ah ok.. thx :)
[02:15] <DanaG> my suspend is missing, too!
[02:16] <DanaG> So, it's a different issue!
[02:16] <DanaG> Ah, then that's a bug.
[02:16] <DanaG> Reboot won't do anything about that.
[02:16] <DanaG> In my case, at least the sleep hotkey still works.  =þ
[02:17] <andresmh> yeah, i think my sleep keep still works. How did you know yours works without actually going to sleep?
[02:17] <andresmh> ah, you might be using a different machine ;)
[02:17] <DanaG> No, I used it earlier today.  =þ
[02:17] <andresmh> aha!
[02:17] <andresmh> so should a bug be submitted?
[02:18] <DanaG> If there is not already one.
[02:18] <DanaG> Not sure where the bug would be, though.
[02:18] <andresmh> I searched a bit
[02:18] <andresmh> didn't find it
[02:18] <andresmh> closest was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/267141
[02:18] <DanaG> I mean, what package?  I'm not sure.
[02:18] <andresmh> but it's not for karmic
[02:19] <andresmh> yeah, i never know what package things are unless they are obvious (i.e. firefox, gnome-do, etc)
[02:19] <andresmh> another annoying thing for me is that the built-in ppp0 modem doesn't work after waking up from sleep
[02:20] <alteregoa> softmodem?
[02:20] <andresmh> it's a verizon cdma mobile broadmand modem
[02:20] <andresmh> *broadband
[02:21] <andresmh> this is my issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7677144#post7677144
[02:21] <alteregoa> its connected to usb?
[02:21] <alteregoa> internal?
[02:21] <andresmh> internal
[02:21] <alteregoa> type lsusb
[02:21] <alteregoa> thats the drawback of a monolithic kernel
[02:22] <andresmh> alteregoa, here you can see the output of lsusb and other things I tried: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7677144#post7677144
[02:22] <bcurtiswx> confirmed.. suspend a goner
[02:22] <alteregoa> sierra wireless?
[02:22] <andresmh> yes alteregoa
[02:23] <andresmh> here's the bug i submitted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/405053
[02:23] <alteregoa> who is the maintainer of this module?
[02:23] <andresmh> no idea
[02:23] <andresmh> how to check?
[02:23] <andresmh> i don't even know what module that would be  :-/
[02:24] <DanaG> Maybe something involving the hal -> udev-extras transition?
[02:25] <DanaG> hmm, try 'rfkill list'
[02:25] <andresmh> me DanaG ?
[02:25] <alteregoa> the module is sierra
[02:25] <alteregoa> modprobe sierra
[02:25] <DanaG> If it's built-in, there may be a killswitch on it.
[02:25] <andresmh> rfkill list
[02:25] <andresmh> 0: tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth
[02:25] <andresmh> 	Soft blocked: no
[02:25] <andresmh> 	Hard blocked: no
[02:25] <andresmh> 1: tpacpi_wwan_sw: Wireless WAN
[02:25] <andresmh> 	Soft blocked: yes
[02:25] <andresmh> 	Hard blocked: no
[02:25] <andresmh> 3: phy0: Wireless LAN
[02:25] <DanaG> yargh
[02:25] <andresmh> 	Soft blocked: no
[02:25] <andresmh> 	Hard blocked: no
[02:25] <DanaG> try summarizing.
[02:25] <andresmh> 5: hci0: Bluetooth
[02:26] <andresmh> 	Soft blocked: no
[02:26] <andresmh> 	Hard blocked: no
[02:26] <andresmh> oops
[02:26] <andresmh> i meant to pastebin it
[02:26] <DanaG> anyway, check #1 -- that's part of the issue.
[02:26] <DanaG> try sudo rfkill unblock wwan
[02:27] <andresmh> alteregoa, modprobe sierra didn't return anything. I must mention that I am at a post-suspend state so the sierra modem is not working right now.
[02:27] <andresmh> DanaG, ok... trying that out
[02:27] <alteregoa> its like many kernel modules
[02:27] <alteregoa> just add in /etc/modules sierra
[02:27] <andresmh> DanaG, ah it's working now!!
[02:27] <andresmh> woooow
[02:27] <DanaG> So the bug is that it gets rfkilled on suspend/resume.
[02:28] <andresmh> wow, nice, thanks so much DanaG, I'll update the bug on launchpad
[02:28] <alteregoa> i think i can code that in the sierra.c
[02:28] <DanaG> It's more likely a pm-utils issue, or something.\
[02:29] <DanaG> oh, and you can paste the "rfkill list" output in the report.
[02:29] <DanaG> The same from before, not the now-unblocked, of course.
[02:30] <alteregoa> reinitialize after suspend
[02:31] <DanaG> I could've gotten my laptop with WWAN, but I didn't feel like paying for the card or for a data plan, when everywhere I regularly go is within range of wifi, anyway. =þ
[02:31] <andresmh> yeah, i wasn't sure about it but I love it now
[02:31] <andresmh> i travel a  lot so it's quite convenient
[02:31] <andresmh> on the train, airports, etc
[02:32] <andresmh> except when I'm abroad
[02:32] <alteregoa> spaghetti code those driver
[02:32] <DanaG> The one that my EliteBook would have: Qualcomm Gobi.
[02:32] <DanaG> I wonder what driver that uses.
[02:32] <alteregoa> it uses pipes
[02:32] <andresmh> I gotta go now. Thanks a lot guys. You made my day.
[02:32] <DanaG> HP calls it UN2400.
[02:33] <DanaG> s/UN/un/
[02:33] <DanaG> ERROR: modinfo: could not find module pipes
[02:33] <DanaG> =þ
[02:33] <alteregoa> whatever
[02:34] <alteregoa> Elina Pasheva, Matthew Safar, Rory Filer, those guys are responsible for the spaghetti code
[04:05] <DanaG> wtf... openoffice's menus think they're tooltips.
[04:37] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/extace/+bug/399565
[04:37] <DanaG> yarghjh.
[04:37] <DanaG> wow, that's even better than just 'yargh' -- and it was entirely accidental.
[05:10] <DanaG> what the heck? something just changed my touchpad boundaries, as I watched!
[05:11] <DanaG>     LeftEdge                = 411
[05:11] <DanaG>     RightEdge               = 5455
[05:11] <DanaG>     TopEdge                 = 1319
[05:11] <DanaG>     BottomEdge              = 5514
[05:11] <DanaG> should be: RightEdge=5100 TopEdge=1500 LeftEdge=1650 BottomEdge=4700
[05:15] <genii> xrandr ?
[05:15] <DanaG> Nope.
[05:15] <genii> Weird
[05:15] <DanaG> Yeah.  I wish whatever it is would leave my settings the hell alone.
[05:16] <DanaG> It really does annoy me when things decide to go behind my back and muck around with -- and override! -- my settings.
[05:16] <oldude67> whats the matter dont you want to play DanaG ??? lmao
[05:17] <billybigrigger> DanaG, didn't that happen to you last night?
[05:17] <DanaG> Yeah.
[05:17] <DanaG> It's still happening.
[05:17] <DanaG> Once I have my finger near the edge... it MOVES the edge!
[05:18] <genii> Does it always revert back to same numbers?
[05:18] <DanaG> Approximately so, I think.
[05:18] <DanaG> I can 'watch -n0 --differences=cumulative synclient -l'  -- and then move my finger around on the touchpad, and watch it trash my settings.
[05:24]  * billybigrigger wishes he would have setup his raid as ext4 not ext3 :(
[05:29]  * DanaG wishes he could set up a spell so that anyone who called the package manager "Synaptics" OR called the touchpad "Synaptic" would get a (gentle) slap in the face.
[05:51] <billybigrigger> DanaG, kinda glad im not on a laptop :P
[05:51] <billybigrigger> sounds like your having a rough go :P
[05:51] <DanaG> Actually, I find touchpad a lot easier on the arms/hands, in terms of RSI.
[05:51] <DanaG> But that software misfeature... sucks.
[05:51] <billybigrigger> i prefer a smaller mouse
[06:13] <jithine> kopete keeps crashing after mornings update
[06:13] <jithine> anyone facing the same issue
[06:17] <DanaG> yargh, where is trash:// ?
[06:21] <DanaG> .local/share/Trash
[06:21] <DanaG> yes, capital Trash.
[06:22] <jithine> kopete starts connects and then quits
[06:23] <billybigrigger> radeon/kms users should be happy with .31-5 seems like a quite of few fixes
[06:23] <billybigrigger> alot of radeon and usb fixes for -5
[06:27] <oldude67> ok why cant i install gnome on 9.10
[06:28] <oldude67> ok am i here or not?
[06:28] <oldude67> first time in irssi
[06:28] <oldude67> well atleast this year..
[06:30] <DanaG> dangit, it did it again!
[06:30] <DanaG> SCrewed up my touchpad settings!
[06:30] <oldude67> ok now i know im here.lol
[06:32] <oldude67> DanaG: you would figure they would have a way you could lock your settings by now.
[06:48] <oldude67> so not use to using irssi ...
[06:49] <oldude67> computer is like way bogged down by running vbox
[06:50] <oldude67> got gnome to install in 9.10 just had to use aptitude instead of apt-get for some reason...had a dependency issue.
[07:38] <oldude67> http://imagebin.org/57729
[08:01] <oldude67> i have a question for ops, where would i go to ask?
[08:02] <jpds> #ubuntu-ops
[08:04] <oldude67> never mind i dont care...
[08:04] <oldude67> sorry sad attitude.but ...hey ..
[08:05] <mac_v> oldude67: hehe... i guess its the "old dude" attitude ;p
[08:07] <oldude67> i hear you...some people make it hard to help others...
[08:07] <oldude67> make a long story short..lets make them jump hoops, for nothing
[08:08] <Timmy2Tall> you...
[08:08] <oldude67> oh heck no , not me... i have my shite.
[08:08] <Timmy2Tall> u have nothing old man
[08:08] <Timmy2Tall> i need another baked pototo
[08:08] <oldude67> nope i dont..want it??
[08:09] <Timmy2Tall> depends ugonna bring it
[08:09] <oldude67> hell you throwing on the steaks and eggs?
[08:09] <oldude67> :D
[08:09] <Timmy2Tall> oh im throwing on the hashbrowns, steaks, eggs, waffles, you name it its coming for ya!
[08:10] <oldude67> wait can i drive my f250 4x4 there...?
[08:10] <oldude67> oh we are so off topic..lmao
[08:10] <Timmy2Tall> Depends you gonna lemme test drive!
[08:10] <oldude67> hell yeah...we got mud?
[08:11] <Timmy2Tall> Oh we got mud! You got a Toe-Strap?
[08:11] <Timmy2Tall> tow*
[08:11] <oldude67> and a couple of oh shit hooks in front just in case.:D
[08:12] <jussi01> oldude67: watch the language please ;)
[08:12] <Timmy2Tall> Well hell grab the bud light and lets make a party out of it!
[08:12] <oldude67> sorry...lol
[08:12] <jussi01> and also, offtopic chat to #ubuntu-offtopic please :)
[08:12] <oldude67> yeah yeah i hard that before..lmao...sorry
[08:12] <oldude67> long day
[08:13] <Timmy2Tall> how you gonna smile in my face jussi, talk to me like a child
[08:13] <Timmy2Tall> Jussi you more then welcome to come on over too, i take care of my guest and treat em to a good time!
[08:14] <oldude67> just got 9.10 running in vbox can i install on it like normal or should i watch what i do ...i want to know if all things will update normal on regular box
[08:14] <oldude67> ?
[08:14] <Timmy2Tall> Just be sure to bring the a bottle of captain
[08:14] <Timmy2Tall> oldude knows wat im talkin about =D
[08:16] <Timmy2Tall> i've already got kicked from Off-topic for well...being off-topic..where's the irony in that?
[08:16] <oldude67> ok all have fun...im out...got to rest i think...old body old mind...young desires;D
[08:16] <Timmy2Tall> I heard that
[08:16] <Timmy2Tall> take it easy
[08:40] <richardcavell> Folks, I'm on Karmic alpha 3.  My update manager wants to do a partial upgrade but it fails to do so.  What's the deal?
[08:44] <martin--> hey guys.. i cant mount my luks partition.. it says theres no partition available with that keyphrase.. why is that?
[08:45] <richardcavell> Is there a distro upgrade happening from alpha 3?
[08:46] <maxb> That question is a bit confused
[08:47] <richardcavell> I'm on alpha 3.  I run update manager and it says it wants to do a partial distro upgrade
[08:48] <maxb> That's a normal fact of life when running the development series. It requires you exercise judgement on whether the upgrade plan update-manager is proposing makes sense, or might break the system, and approve or cancel it as appropriate
[08:49] <richardcavell> Okay
[08:49] <richardcavell> When Karmic is officially released, will I be able to update to that official release from whatever state my computer is currently in?
[08:50] <mvo> richardcavell: does it just say that it can not calculate the upgrade? or a different error?
[08:50] <mvo> richardcavell: yes, it will be possible to upgrade (unless something is really odd on the system)
[08:51] <richardcavell> mvo: I last updated my system 5 hours ago and went to work.  I came back and ran Update Manager.  It says: Not all updates can be installed.  Run a partial upgrade, to install as many updates as possible.
[08:59] <mac_v> mvo: hi... any chances of getting this Bug #391479 fixed by Karmic cycle?
[09:04] <mvo> mac_v: hm, I thought I fixed a similar bug some weeks ago in karmic, I have a look at this one, it sounds similar
[09:17] <mac_v> mvo: I'm using Karmic , up-to-date , the bug still exists
[09:19] <mvo> mac_v: thanks for confirming that, is it easy to reporduce with the instruction in the bugreport ?
[09:19] <mac_v> mvo: yup... just had the problem again earlier this morning
[10:04] <syn-ack> 127 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[11:09] <Oli```> Should I be removing devicekit or should I wait until the packages forcing it out are fixed?
[11:09] <Oli```> devicekit-power is the conflict
[11:11] <ubuntu> Hi all, grub2 is giving me some trouble every option gives me a "you have to load the kernel first" error. I'm now on a liveCD. Can anybody guide me trough fixing this?
[11:12] <thvdburgt> this is my sudo fdisk -lu output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/236485/
[11:18] <richardcavell> I have devicekit-power stuck in update manager.  It's gray and I can't install it.
[11:26] <richardcavell_> anyone else have devicekit-power stuck in their update manager window?
[11:43] <tscmga> hello
[11:44] <tscmga> after i update to 9.10, my super_l key not work for fvwm
[11:44] <tscmga> after update to 9.10 , super_l not works
[11:44] <tscmga> fvwm
[11:44] <tscmga> i can not resize window using super_l key now
[12:21] <oldude67> aw crap, now i have to fight with flash again...dangit...lol...oh well here we go again.
[12:21] <oldude67> tgfg
[12:50] <Guest58006> anyone having problem with there broadband air cards after upgrade
[12:50] <Guest58006> where are the setting for the air cards?
[12:53] <Guest58006> all these people in here and no one talking?
[12:55] <oldude67> sorry dont use air cards...:( am hard wired...more bang for you buck..:D
[13:25] <holzmodem> next update remove "devicekit", it is safe to update?
[13:36] <Guest58006> air card now lock up my laptop after upgrade two days ago..was working fine
[13:44] <gahrthlg> It seems like the boot.img I get from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ is not compatible with the CD image i get from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-3/ (not the same kernel version). Does anyone know where I can get one that works?
[13:44] <gahrthlg> Sorry for the long urls.
[13:48] <Guest58006> any insight on CDMA connections
[13:58] <bazhang> !find ruby
[13:58] <jan____> hey, which version of ruby will be bundled on karmic? does anyone know?
[13:59] <bazhang> !info libruby1.8
[14:00] <jan____> wow, no 1.9?
[14:06] <gnomefreak> jan____: as of this moment 1.9 is not in repos, that doesnt mean it wont be.
[14:13] <jan____> gnomefreak: is there any way to help making it happen? if 1.9, it should be 1.9.1
[14:13] <jan____> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby1.9/+bug/330268
[14:14] <gnomefreak> jan____: thats about it
[14:15] <jan____> okay
[14:16] <DPic> will the new nvidia driver be included in karmic?
[14:16] <DPic> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_185.18.29.html
[14:31] <dajhorn> DPic: Karmic currently has 185.18.14, which is just one point release behind that.  They might still pick it up.
[14:32] <DPic> it'd be cool if they did
[14:32] <DPic> know how i could follow that?
[14:32] <dajhorn> DPic: You could subscribe to the package on Launchpad, or you could learn how to do a 'uupdate' if there is something in .29 that you need.
[14:33] <DPic> i'd love to do both! haha
[14:34] <dajhorn> DPic: Personally, I'm too lazy.  I don't see anything in the 185.18.29 release notes that I need.
[14:36] <DPic> i don't really need it either, but i like to have the latest packages possible
[14:36] <DPic> where can i find it on launchpad?
[14:38] <dajhorn> DPic: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/amd64/nvidia-glx-180
[14:38] <DPic> thanks
[14:39] <dajhorn> DPic: Np.  Notice the "package releases" pane in the top-right corner.  Those are upstream versions.
[14:40] <DPic> by learn how to do an update, did you mean so that it updates in karmic for everyone, not must install it for myself?
[14:41] <dajhorn> DPic: Just for yourself.  That means "upstream update".  The package system has a helper program that let's you download the latest version of software from the upstream source and create a new deb, just for your local computer.
[14:42] <DPic> ah
[14:42] <dajhorn> DPic: Making a new deb will take a relatively long time to learn, but it is quite handy if you care about having the latest and greatest.
[14:42] <DPic> well i do care about that, but i'd rather learn so that i can update packages for everyone
[14:43] <dajhorn> DPic: Okay, then start there, and if you get a local deb working properly, then you can post some kinds of software to launchpad.net for everybody to use.  That is called a "PPA".
[14:44] <dajhorn> DPic: We're going to annoy this channel with this kind of discussion.  We can continue in #ubuntu.
[14:59] <pawan> hi
[16:54] <russel> I am attempting to install 9.10 on a Mac pro, but the X server does not start during the install
[16:54] <russel> I get a Traceback: X exited with status 1
[16:55] <russel> followed by a few failed init scripts
[16:55] <russel> and a login prompt
[16:55] <russel> Is there a default user account I can use to poke around and see what the error was?
[17:01] <TheInfinity> russel: use alternate installer
[17:02] <TheInfinity> and look at xorg log
[17:02] <russel> OK
[17:02] <russel> I just figured out that user ubuntu with no password works
[17:02] <russel> inspecting Xorg logs now...
[17:06] <russel> I had switched to "safe video" mode which gives an error "/deb/fb0 not found"
[17:11] <richardcavell> Guys my Internet is really really slow.  Like, 1 kilobyte every 30 seconds slow.  On OS X (I'm dual booting) I get no slow down at all.  I think something's wrong with my Karmic installation.  Any ideas?
[17:12] <bronson> Anyone know what happened to the Guest User?
[17:12] <bronson> That feature rocked.
[17:12] <richardcavell> bronson: yeah I don't have him any more either
[17:13] <bronson> That rocked in Jaunty.  I no longer had to come home and find out my fiancee had logged me out of gmail, facebook, etc.   :)
[17:13] <richardcavell> lol
[17:15] <richardcavell> okay well if no one wants to ping me then I'll put it down to something broken on my Ubuntu installation rather than the IRC server
[17:15] <bronson> ping you?
[17:15] <richardcavell> bronson: yes.  I
[17:16] <richardcavell> I've been having massive IRC connection problems.  Lag and packet loss
[17:16] <richardcavell> I'm trying to diagnose it.  I'm starting to think that my Ubuntu installation is diseased in some way.
[17:16] <bronson> oh, weird.  no other network issues?
[17:16] <richardcavell> If I can confirm that under OS X I don't have those problems, then I know it's ubuntu
[17:16] <Pici> richardcavell: Have you tried looking at mtr output to the freenode server that you are connected to?
[17:17] <richardcavell> Pici: I don't know how to do that
[17:17] <Pici> !info mtr
[17:18] <richardcavell> Pici: I'm not sure how I could use that to diagnose my issues
[17:18] <Pici> richardcavell: See if you're getting excess latency to the freenode server you are connected to and also other servers, like google or similar.
[17:18] <Pici> To see if its happening to all network traffic or just stuff to freenode.
[17:19] <richardcavell> Pici: My ping time to foxnews.com and yahoo.com is < 200 msec
[17:19] <richardcavell> My ping time to freenode.net is up to a minute (on IRC)
[17:19] <Pici> richardcavell: which freenode server?
[17:19] <richardcavell> kubrick
[17:20] <Pici> Try another one.
[17:20] <richardcavell> but I have tried about 5
[17:20] <richardcavell> I went through irc.freenode.net, chat.freenode.net, chat.ap.freenode.net, the US rotation, and one or two other specific ones
[17:21] <Pici> richardcavell: Using mtr, you could see whether it was freenode itself or one of the intermediary links that is causing the latency.
[17:22] <richardcavell> Pici: Mate, I'm going to bed and I'll see if it's still an issue tomorrow morning.
[17:22] <Pici> Okay
[17:46] <eagles0513875> hey guys
[17:47] <bronson> Is there any way to "reset" pulseaudio?
[17:47] <bronson> I can't get audio to play on my main account.
[17:47] <bronson> But when I create a new test account, it works just great.
[17:48] <bronson> Is there a way to tell PA to reset all its prefs but not lose my other customizations?
[17:49] <mphill> bronson: try sudo alsa force-reload
[17:50] <bronson> mphill, looks like I need to kill pulse first?
[17:50] <bronson> arg, it keeps respawning
[17:51] <bronson> mphill, yes!!  That was it.
[17:51] <bronson> thanks.
[17:53] <xtknight> i need some people to do me a favor here.  can you run this code and see if all your drives show up, including cd drives?  http://pastebin.com/m4d1f22a8
[17:53] <xtknight> it's causing problems with my automount and brasero
[18:35] <stormy2k> Hi everyone. Does anyone else have problems with intel-drivers in karmic?
[18:37] <nhasian> stormy2k, what intel adaptor do you have?
[18:37] <stormy2k> X3100
[18:39] <nhasian> what kind of problem are you experiencing?
[18:39] <stormy2k> Ok, it's working again... Strange
[18:39] <stormy2k> I couldn't activate compiz by the desktop settings
[18:40] <stormy2k> But with compiz --replace it works
[18:40] <nhasian> good good.  how is the KMS treating you?
[18:40] <stormy2k> KMS?
[18:41] <nhasian> the Kernel Management with the intel graphics adaptor
[18:42] <nhasian> sorry its Kernel Mode Setting
[18:42] <stormy2k> I'll check
[18:42] <nhasian> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting
[18:49] <nhasian> i'm jealous i wont be able to use KMS for my nvidia card until probably Ubuntu 10.04
[18:54] <DanaG> Even with my R600 ATI, I currently don't have KMS, either.
[18:54] <Zencyde> So, what's this new fangled software that's replacing HAL? Didn't we just get that implemented?
[18:54] <DanaG> I'm using fglrx for now.
[18:54] <DanaG> I look forward to the day I can run compiz + fglrx on it.
[18:54] <DanaG> er
[18:54] <DanaG> compiz + KMS
[18:57] <nhasian> since HAL is being depreciated with all the changes, i havent been able to burn a cd in brasero for weeks now
[18:58] <DanaG> And with HAL being deprecated... where will I put my touchpad-preferences FDI file?
[18:58] <DanaG> I know I'll have to convert it to a udev rule....... but how?
[18:58] <sebsebseb> yeah  what's wrong with HAL anyway?
[18:59] <DanaG> And what'll replace hal-device-manager?
[18:59] <DanaG> or rather, kde-hal-device-manager?
[18:59] <DanaG> I see no equivalent for udev!
[19:02] <nhasian> dont ask me, i'm just going with the flow hehe
[19:02] <Pici> !hal
[19:02] <DanaG> I'm sorry, I can't do that, Dave.
[19:02] <sebsebseb> Pici: oh there's even a factoid for it, why does  that  not suprise me?   ,because there's a factoid for nearly all of these things :D
[19:03] <DanaG> Somebody needs to add a question about that gnome-device-manager to there.
[19:08] <DanaG> oh yeah, is Empathy supposed to be able to voice-chat with iChat over AIM protocol?
[19:16] <DanaG> debian bug 470408
[19:16] <DanaG> ah, thanks for the link.  =þ
[19:20] <DanaG> hah, ALSA project certificate expired last week.
[19:22] <mac_v> my laptop seems to be using ALSA ... 0.o
[19:25] <DanaG> https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=3842
[19:39] <DanaG> lp# 406396
[19:39] <DanaG> bug 406396
[19:57] <DanaG> odd... my battery is full, and yet g-p-m is using the "empty" icon to show that it's full.
[19:59] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/notify-osd/+bug/367049
[20:28] <maccam94> how "stable" is karmic right now? i'm thinking of playing with it on a non-critical laptop
[20:42] <tanath> why doesn't the update manager see when package info has been updated in terminal?
[20:44] <tanath> i got a yellow triangle icon saying package info hasn't been updated in 11 days, when it's been updated many times
[20:46] <maccam94> tanath: there's probably one repository that you're using that's unreachable or something
[20:47] <tanath> maccam94, there's one unauthenticated one, but that shouldn't cause that
[20:47] <tanath> maccam94, neither should
[20:48] <maccam94> tanath: try disabling all of them except the default ubuntu ones, and then slowly re-add them one or two at a time
[20:48] <benste> HI, so experienced with using DLNA / UPNP with Rhytmbox in Karminc ? - I tried to install the coherence package which was necessary in jaunty, to activate the plugin in rhytmbox, but now - it fails even with he installed package
[20:49] <tanath> maccam94, that would take a bit... they all update fine.
[20:49] <maccam94> tanath: have you added any recently?
[20:50] <tanath> maccam94, i've done more disabling of 3rd-party repos than enabling..
[20:52] <maccam94> well... i've had that error before myself, and i found that one of the repositories just wasn't being updated correctly. disabling it fixed the problem :-\
[20:52] <maccam94> hopefully they'll just fix things, but if they've abandoned it/switched to using a different name, the message won't go away
[21:01] <brettalton> maccam94: that happens to me in 9.04 sometimes too
[21:02] <maccam94> yeah that's where it happened for me
[21:42] <BUGabundo> hey everyone . gonna get my self a Android G2 tonight!
[21:42] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[21:42] <maccam94> lucky
[21:43] <BUGabundo> hope so
[21:43] <BUGabundo> only a few hundreds on the online shop
[21:53] <BUGabundo> I'm off!
[21:53] <BUGabundo> let see if i get lucky
[22:58] <DanaG> Could not open location 'file:///home/dana/amdxdg-su%20-c%20amdcccle'
[22:58] <poseidon> Has there been many problems with sound in ubuntu alpha?  I've done a clean install for alpha 1, 2, and 3, and lost sound after an upgrade or two in all three of them
[22:59] <benste> why can't I activate the DLNA plugin of rhytmbox when coherence is already installed ?
[23:05] <DanaG> *** glibc detected *** gksudo: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0000000000976c90 ***
[23:19] <DanaG> What's the difference between a -dbg package and a -dbgsym package?
[23:29] <yofel> DanaG: the -dbg packages are built by the source packages themselves, the -dbgsym packages are auto-generated by the buildds
[23:29] <syn-ack> DanaG, one is just the compilation symbols that were stripped from the deb
[23:30] <DanaG> ah.
[23:30] <syn-ack> rather, the debugging symbols.
[23:30] <syn-ack> Either term is technically correct, I reckon
[23:30] <DanaG> Odd... there's a /usr/lib/debug/usr/bin/ with binaries, where 'file' says "ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, not stripped"
[23:30] <virtuald> what comes after karmic?
[23:31] <DanaG> .... and bash says "cannot execute binary file"
[23:32] <DanaG> odd.
[23:39] <Lint01> i have a problem. all my truetype fonts look like shit when antialising is turned off
[23:41] <RichardWolfVI> Lint01: Screenshot?