[00:12] * billybigrigger just fell in love with xfce [00:13] panel less and running gnome-do [00:13] :O [00:14] hmm damn airline broke my guitar [00:17] billybigrigger: hm... I like xfce as well [00:17] xfce [00:18] i like x-window [00:18] i like xerOS [00:19] hrm.. isn't firefox 3.5 supposed to be the default browser for karmic? [00:19] it will be, eventually [00:19] not yet though [00:19] ah [00:37] just a quick hop before bed [00:37] is everything ok? [00:50] BUGabundo, going to bed early tonight [00:51] yep [00:51] or trying to [00:51] but you guys don't let me [00:51] :p [00:51] really really nice movie [00:51] xman wolverine in drive in cinema, 1st row [00:58] on your laptop haha [00:59] watch the bloody movie, it's a good one [00:59] no [00:59] I was offline [00:59] 'cause I was at the cinema [01:00] now I'm back [01:00] ohhh [01:00] :P [01:13] bye guys [01:48] hmm, is Empathy supposed to lack voice options for contacts using iChat? [01:48] (Over AIM protocol, specifically.) [01:55] i use SSB on 40m [01:55] What is the best way to report bugs/regressions about Karmic? I just applied an update and the Suspend option disappeared from the Shut Down menu. [01:56] i think write a mail to tanenbaum, and he will speak to canonical [01:56] !report [01:56] Sorry, I don't know anything about report [01:56] !bug [01:56] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » If that fails, you can report bugs manually at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [01:57] One issue is that I often don't know what package a bug belongs to. [01:57] For example, what would be the package related to lack of Suspend option in the Shut Down menu, DanaG ? [01:58] hmm, for me, I had to reinstall devicekit-power and some policykit stuff. [01:59] sudo aptitude reinstall ~ndevicekit* ~npolicykit* [01:59] the ~n is odd... but what it does is to match by name. [01:59] ~n for name. Yeah, aptitude is odd like that. [02:00] DanaG, was that message re devicekit for me? [02:00] yeah. [02:04] hey guys did karmic fix video tearing in video with intel graphic cards i have slow internet and i cant test but i wonder if it fixed that [02:05] hey guys did karmic fix video tearing in video with intel graphic cards i have slow internet and i cant test but i wonder if it fixed that [02:06] !repeat | dr3mro [02:06] dr3mro: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org while you wait. [02:07] /var/log/tiger/check_ftpusers.out.1:--FAIL-- [netw018f] Administrative user kernoops allowed access in /etc/ftpusers [02:07] DanaG: I got a bunch of messages like this "devicekit is not currently installed, so it will not be reinstalled." [02:07] but I went ahead anyway [02:07] Yeah, that's correct behavior. [02:07] I'm still not seeing the Suspend option though, do I need to restart Xorg? [02:08] The intent is to reinstall only those that are actually installed. =þ It's just easiest to match all by name. === Pricey is now known as PriceChild [02:08] Perhaps restart policykit daemon. [02:09] how to do that DanaG ? [02:09] Hmm, I seem to remember having trouble with that -- I had to manually kill the daemon. [02:09] sudo killall polkitd-1 === PriceChild is now known as Pricey [02:09] sudo invoke-rc.d policykit start [02:10] cool, i executed both and no errors but Suspend is still not showing up [02:10] And then go to system->admin->authorizations [02:10] devicekit supposed to be removed in favor of devicekit-power? [02:11] Hopefully you should see org.devicekit.power.(whatever) things [02:12] I only see freedesktop > policiykit [02:12] er, I might've messed up the path. [02:13] Do you happen to have the "ubuntu-desktop" PPA enabled? That's what broke things for me. [02:14] grep desktop /etc/apt/sources.list returns no results DanaG [02:14] anyone know if devicekit is suppose to be removed in favor of devicekit-power ? [02:14] bcurtiswx: yes, that is normal. The changelog for devicekit-power reports that the plain 'devicekit' package has been eliminted. [02:14] eliminated. [02:15] andresmh: might be easiest just to reboot, perhaps. [02:15] ah, i didn't know changelogs did that [02:15] ok, i'll do that [02:15] Or rather, "somebody noted in the changelog" -- it's not a procedurally generated thing. =þ [02:15] wait a bit [02:15] DanaG: ah ok.. thx :) [02:15] my suspend is missing, too! [02:16] So, it's a different issue! [02:16] Ah, then that's a bug. [02:16] Reboot won't do anything about that. [02:16] In my case, at least the sleep hotkey still works. =þ [02:17] yeah, i think my sleep keep still works. How did you know yours works without actually going to sleep? [02:17] ah, you might be using a different machine ;) [02:17] No, I used it earlier today. =þ [02:17] aha! [02:17] so should a bug be submitted? [02:18] If there is not already one. [02:18] Not sure where the bug would be, though. [02:18] I searched a bit [02:18] didn't find it [02:18] closest was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/267141 [02:18] I mean, what package? I'm not sure. [02:18] Launchpad bug 267141 in pm-utils "suspend button disappears after pm-utils upgraded to 1.1.2.4-1ubuntu2 " [Medium,Fix released] [02:18] but it's not for karmic [02:19] yeah, i never know what package things are unless they are obvious (i.e. firefox, gnome-do, etc) [02:19] another annoying thing for me is that the built-in ppp0 modem doesn't work after waking up from sleep [02:20] softmodem? [02:20] it's a verizon cdma mobile broadmand modem [02:20] *broadband [02:21] this is my issue: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7677144#post7677144 [02:21] its connected to usb? [02:21] internal? [02:21] internal [02:21] type lsusb [02:21] thats the drawback of a monolithic kernel [02:22] alteregoa, here you can see the output of lsusb and other things I tried: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7677144#post7677144 [02:22] confirmed.. suspend a goner [02:22] sierra wireless? [02:22] yes alteregoa [02:23] here's the bug i submitted https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/405053 [02:23] Launchpad bug 405053 in ubuntu "[regression] Bult-in modem ppp0 doesn't work after waking up from sleep mode." [Undecided,New] [02:23] who is the maintainer of this module? [02:23] no idea [02:23] how to check? [02:23] i don't even know what module that would be :-/ [02:24] Maybe something involving the hal -> udev-extras transition? [02:25] hmm, try 'rfkill list' [02:25] me DanaG ? [02:25] the module is sierra [02:25] modprobe sierra [02:25] If it's built-in, there may be a killswitch on it. [02:25] rfkill list [02:25] 0: tpacpi_bluetooth_sw: Bluetooth [02:25] Soft blocked: no [02:25] Hard blocked: no [02:25] 1: tpacpi_wwan_sw: Wireless WAN [02:25] Soft blocked: yes [02:25] Hard blocked: no [02:25] 3: phy0: Wireless LAN [02:25] yargh [02:25] Soft blocked: no [02:25] Hard blocked: no [02:25] try summarizing. [02:25] 5: hci0: Bluetooth [02:26] Soft blocked: no [02:26] Hard blocked: no [02:26] oops [02:26] i meant to pastebin it [02:26] anyway, check #1 -- that's part of the issue. [02:26] try sudo rfkill unblock wwan [02:27] alteregoa, modprobe sierra didn't return anything. I must mention that I am at a post-suspend state so the sierra modem is not working right now. [02:27] DanaG, ok... trying that out [02:27] its like many kernel modules [02:27] just add in /etc/modules sierra [02:27] DanaG, ah it's working now!! [02:27] woooow [02:27] So the bug is that it gets rfkilled on suspend/resume. [02:28] wow, nice, thanks so much DanaG, I'll update the bug on launchpad [02:28] i think i can code that in the sierra.c [02:28] It's more likely a pm-utils issue, or something.\ [02:29] oh, and you can paste the "rfkill list" output in the report. [02:29] The same from before, not the now-unblocked, of course. [02:30] reinitialize after suspend [02:31] I could've gotten my laptop with WWAN, but I didn't feel like paying for the card or for a data plan, when everywhere I regularly go is within range of wifi, anyway. =þ [02:31] yeah, i wasn't sure about it but I love it now [02:31] i travel a lot so it's quite convenient [02:31] on the train, airports, etc [02:32] except when I'm abroad [02:32] spaghetti code those driver [02:32] The one that my EliteBook would have: Qualcomm Gobi. [02:32] I wonder what driver that uses. [02:32] it uses pipes [02:32] I gotta go now. Thanks a lot guys. You made my day. [02:32] HP calls it UN2400. [02:33] s/UN/un/ [02:33] ERROR: modinfo: could not find module pipes [02:33] =þ [02:33] whatever [02:34] Elina Pasheva, Matthew Safar, Rory Filer, those guys are responsible for the spaghetti code [04:05] wtf... openoffice's menus think they're tooltips. === dr0ppy is now known as dr0pknutz [04:37] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/extace/+bug/399565 [04:37] Launchpad bug 399565 in extace "extace crashed with SIGSEGV in fftw_execute()" [Undecided,New] [04:37] yarghjh. [04:37] wow, that's even better than just 'yargh' -- and it was entirely accidental. [05:10] what the heck? something just changed my touchpad boundaries, as I watched! [05:11] LeftEdge = 411 [05:11] RightEdge = 5455 [05:11] TopEdge = 1319 [05:11] BottomEdge = 5514 [05:11] should be: RightEdge=5100 TopEdge=1500 LeftEdge=1650 BottomEdge=4700 [05:15] xrandr ? [05:15] Nope. [05:15] Weird [05:15] Yeah. I wish whatever it is would leave my settings the hell alone. [05:16] It really does annoy me when things decide to go behind my back and muck around with -- and override! -- my settings. [05:16] whats the matter dont you want to play DanaG ??? lmao [05:17] DanaG, didn't that happen to you last night? [05:17] Yeah. [05:17] It's still happening. [05:17] Once I have my finger near the edge... it MOVES the edge! [05:18] Does it always revert back to same numbers? [05:18] Approximately so, I think. [05:18] I can 'watch -n0 --differences=cumulative synclient -l' -- and then move my finger around on the touchpad, and watch it trash my settings. [05:24] * billybigrigger wishes he would have setup his raid as ext4 not ext3 :( [05:29] * DanaG wishes he could set up a spell so that anyone who called the package manager "Synaptics" OR called the touchpad "Synaptic" would get a (gentle) slap in the face. [05:51] DanaG, kinda glad im not on a laptop :P [05:51] sounds like your having a rough go :P [05:51] Actually, I find touchpad a lot easier on the arms/hands, in terms of RSI. [05:51] But that software misfeature... sucks. [05:51] i prefer a smaller mouse [06:13] kopete keeps crashing after mornings update [06:13] anyone facing the same issue [06:17] yargh, where is trash:// ? [06:21] .local/share/Trash [06:21] yes, capital Trash. [06:22] kopete starts connects and then quits [06:23] radeon/kms users should be happy with .31-5 seems like a quite of few fixes [06:23] alot of radeon and usb fixes for -5 [06:27] ok why cant i install gnome on 9.10 [06:28] ok am i here or not? [06:28] first time in irssi [06:28] well atleast this year.. [06:30] dangit, it did it again! [06:30] SCrewed up my touchpad settings! [06:30] ok now i know im here.lol [06:32] DanaG: you would figure they would have a way you could lock your settings by now. [06:48] so not use to using irssi ... [06:49] computer is like way bogged down by running vbox [06:50] got gnome to install in 9.10 just had to use aptitude instead of apt-get for some reason...had a dependency issue. [07:38] http://imagebin.org/57729 [08:01] i have a question for ops, where would i go to ask? [08:02] #ubuntu-ops [08:04] never mind i dont care... [08:04] sorry sad attitude.but ...hey .. [08:05] oldude67: hehe... i guess its the "old dude" attitude ;p [08:07] i hear you...some people make it hard to help others... [08:07] make a long story short..lets make them jump hoops, for nothing [08:08] you... [08:08] oh heck no , not me... i have my shite. [08:08] u have nothing old man [08:08] i need another baked pototo [08:08] nope i dont..want it?? [08:09] depends ugonna bring it [08:09] hell you throwing on the steaks and eggs? [08:09] :D [08:09] oh im throwing on the hashbrowns, steaks, eggs, waffles, you name it its coming for ya! [08:10] wait can i drive my f250 4x4 there...? [08:10] oh we are so off topic..lmao [08:10] Depends you gonna lemme test drive! [08:10] hell yeah...we got mud? [08:11] Oh we got mud! You got a Toe-Strap? [08:11] tow* [08:11] and a couple of oh shit hooks in front just in case.:D [08:12] oldude67: watch the language please ;) [08:12] Well hell grab the bud light and lets make a party out of it! [08:12] sorry...lol [08:12] and also, offtopic chat to #ubuntu-offtopic please :) [08:12] yeah yeah i hard that before..lmao...sorry [08:12] long day [08:13] how you gonna smile in my face jussi, talk to me like a child [08:13] Jussi you more then welcome to come on over too, i take care of my guest and treat em to a good time! [08:14] just got 9.10 running in vbox can i install on it like normal or should i watch what i do ...i want to know if all things will update normal on regular box [08:14] ? [08:14] Just be sure to bring the a bottle of captain [08:14] oldude knows wat im talkin about =D [08:16] i've already got kicked from Off-topic for well...being off-topic..where's the irony in that? [08:16] ok all have fun...im out...got to rest i think...old body old mind...young desires;D [08:16] I heard that [08:16] take it easy [08:40] Folks, I'm on Karmic alpha 3. My update manager wants to do a partial upgrade but it fails to do so. What's the deal? [08:44] hey guys.. i cant mount my luks partition.. it says theres no partition available with that keyphrase.. why is that? [08:45] Is there a distro upgrade happening from alpha 3? [08:46] That question is a bit confused [08:47] I'm on alpha 3. I run update manager and it says it wants to do a partial distro upgrade [08:48] That's a normal fact of life when running the development series. It requires you exercise judgement on whether the upgrade plan update-manager is proposing makes sense, or might break the system, and approve or cancel it as appropriate [08:49] Okay [08:49] When Karmic is officially released, will I be able to update to that official release from whatever state my computer is currently in? [08:50] richardcavell: does it just say that it can not calculate the upgrade? or a different error? [08:50] richardcavell: yes, it will be possible to upgrade (unless something is really odd on the system) [08:51] mvo: I last updated my system 5 hours ago and went to work. I came back and ran Update Manager. It says: Not all updates can be installed. Run a partial upgrade, to install as many updates as possible. [08:59] mvo: hi... any chances of getting this Bug #391479 fixed by Karmic cycle? [08:59] Launchpad bug 391479 in update-manager "Child Windows [of Synaptic/update manager] should remain in the same desktop as the parent window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/391479 [09:04] mac_v: hm, I thought I fixed a similar bug some weeks ago in karmic, I have a look at this one, it sounds similar [09:17] mvo: I'm using Karmic , up-to-date , the bug still exists [09:19] mac_v: thanks for confirming that, is it easy to reporduce with the instruction in the bugreport ? [09:19] mvo: yup... just had the problem again earlier this morning [10:04] 127 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [11:09] Should I be removing devicekit or should I wait until the packages forcing it out are fixed? [11:09] devicekit-power is the conflict [11:11] Hi all, grub2 is giving me some trouble every option gives me a "you have to load the kernel first" error. I'm now on a liveCD. Can anybody guide me trough fixing this? === ubuntu is now known as thvdburgt [11:12] this is my sudo fdisk -lu output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/236485/ [11:18] I have devicekit-power stuck in update manager. It's gray and I can't install it. [11:26] anyone else have devicekit-power stuck in their update manager window? [11:43] hello [11:44] after i update to 9.10, my super_l key not work for fvwm [11:44] after update to 9.10 , super_l not works [11:44] fvwm [11:44] i can not resize window using super_l key now === Le-Chuck_ITA1 is now known as Le-Chuck_ITA [12:21] aw crap, now i have to fight with flash again...dangit...lol...oh well here we go again. [12:21] tgfg [12:50] anyone having problem with there broadband air cards after upgrade [12:50] where are the setting for the air cards? [12:53] all these people in here and no one talking? === fader|away is now known as fader_ [12:55] sorry dont use air cards...:( am hard wired...more bang for you buck..:D [13:25] next update remove "devicekit", it is safe to update? [13:36] air card now lock up my laptop after upgrade two days ago..was working fine [13:44] It seems like the boot.img I get from http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ is not compatible with the CD image i get from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-3/ (not the same kernel version). Does anyone know where I can get one that works? [13:44] Sorry for the long urls. [13:48] any insight on CDMA connections === WelshDragon is now known as Cuddles [13:58] !find ruby [13:58] Found: libkorundum4-ruby1.8, libqt4-ruby1.8, libqt4-ruby1.8-dev, libruby1.8, libruby1.8-dbg (and 594 others) [13:58] hey, which version of ruby will be bundled on karmic? does anyone know? [13:59] !info libruby1.8 [13:59] libruby1.8 (source: ruby1.8): Libraries necessary to run Ruby 1.8. In component main, is optional. Version 1.8.7.174-1 (karmic), package size 1467 kB, installed size 6072 kB [14:00] wow, no 1.9? [14:06] jan____: as of this moment 1.9 is not in repos, that doesnt mean it wont be. [14:13] gnomefreak: is there any way to help making it happen? if 1.9, it should be 1.9.1 [14:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ruby1.9/+bug/330268 [14:13] Launchpad bug 330268 in ruby1.9 "[needs-packaging] Ruby 1.9.1" [Wishlist,New] [14:14] jan____: thats about it [14:15] okay [14:16] will the new nvidia driver be included in karmic? [14:16] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_185.18.29.html [14:31] DPic: Karmic currently has 185.18.14, which is just one point release behind that. They might still pick it up. [14:32] it'd be cool if they did [14:32] know how i could follow that? [14:32] DPic: You could subscribe to the package on Launchpad, or you could learn how to do a 'uupdate' if there is something in .29 that you need. [14:33] i'd love to do both! haha [14:34] DPic: Personally, I'm too lazy. I don't see anything in the 185.18.29 release notes that I need. [14:36] i don't really need it either, but i like to have the latest packages possible [14:36] where can i find it on launchpad? [14:38] DPic: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/amd64/nvidia-glx-180 [14:38] thanks [14:39] DPic: Np. Notice the "package releases" pane in the top-right corner. Those are upstream versions. [14:40] by learn how to do an update, did you mean so that it updates in karmic for everyone, not must install it for myself? [14:41] DPic: Just for yourself. That means "upstream update". The package system has a helper program that let's you download the latest version of software from the upstream source and create a new deb, just for your local computer. [14:42] ah [14:42] DPic: Making a new deb will take a relatively long time to learn, but it is quite handy if you care about having the latest and greatest. [14:42] well i do care about that, but i'd rather learn so that i can update packages for everyone [14:43] DPic: Okay, then start there, and if you get a local deb working properly, then you can post some kinds of software to launchpad.net for everybody to use. That is called a "PPA". [14:44] DPic: We're going to annoy this channel with this kind of discussion. We can continue in #ubuntu. [14:59] hi === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:54] I am attempting to install 9.10 on a Mac pro, but the X server does not start during the install [16:54] I get a Traceback: X exited with status 1 [16:55] followed by a few failed init scripts [16:55] and a login prompt [16:55] Is there a default user account I can use to poke around and see what the error was? === fader_ is now known as fader|lunch [17:01] russel: use alternate installer [17:02] and look at xorg log [17:02] OK [17:02] I just figured out that user ubuntu with no password works [17:02] inspecting Xorg logs now... [17:06] I had switched to "safe video" mode which gives an error "/deb/fb0 not found" [17:11] Guys my Internet is really really slow. Like, 1 kilobyte every 30 seconds slow. On OS X (I'm dual booting) I get no slow down at all. I think something's wrong with my Karmic installation. Any ideas? [17:12] Anyone know what happened to the Guest User? [17:12] That feature rocked. [17:12] bronson: yeah I don't have him any more either [17:13] That rocked in Jaunty. I no longer had to come home and find out my fiancee had logged me out of gmail, facebook, etc. :) [17:13] lol [17:15] okay well if no one wants to ping me then I'll put it down to something broken on my Ubuntu installation rather than the IRC server [17:15] ping you? [17:15] bronson: yes. I [17:16] I've been having massive IRC connection problems. Lag and packet loss [17:16] I'm trying to diagnose it. I'm starting to think that my Ubuntu installation is diseased in some way. [17:16] oh, weird. no other network issues? [17:16] If I can confirm that under OS X I don't have those problems, then I know it's ubuntu [17:16] richardcavell: Have you tried looking at mtr output to the freenode server that you are connected to? [17:17] Pici: I don't know how to do that [17:17] !info mtr [17:17] mtr (source: mtr): Full screen ncurses and X11 traceroute tool. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.75-2 (karmic), package size 51 kB, installed size 168 kB [17:18] Pici: I'm not sure how I could use that to diagnose my issues [17:18] richardcavell: See if you're getting excess latency to the freenode server you are connected to and also other servers, like google or similar. [17:18] To see if its happening to all network traffic or just stuff to freenode. [17:19] Pici: My ping time to foxnews.com and yahoo.com is < 200 msec [17:19] My ping time to freenode.net is up to a minute (on IRC) [17:19] richardcavell: which freenode server? [17:19] kubrick [17:20] Try another one. [17:20] but I have tried about 5 [17:20] I went through irc.freenode.net, chat.freenode.net, chat.ap.freenode.net, the US rotation, and one or two other specific ones [17:21] richardcavell: Using mtr, you could see whether it was freenode itself or one of the intermediary links that is causing the latency. [17:22] Pici: Mate, I'm going to bed and I'll see if it's still an issue tomorrow morning. [17:22] Okay [17:46] hey guys [17:47] Is there any way to "reset" pulseaudio? [17:47] I can't get audio to play on my main account. [17:47] But when I create a new test account, it works just great. [17:48] Is there a way to tell PA to reset all its prefs but not lose my other customizations? === fader|lunch is now known as fader_ [17:49] bronson: try sudo alsa force-reload [17:50] mphill, looks like I need to kill pulse first? [17:50] arg, it keeps respawning [17:51] mphill, yes!! That was it. [17:51] thanks. === Richie is now known as Cuddles [17:53] i need some people to do me a favor here. can you run this code and see if all your drives show up, including cd drives? http://pastebin.com/m4d1f22a8 [17:53] it's causing problems with my automount and brasero [18:35] Hi everyone. Does anyone else have problems with intel-drivers in karmic? [18:37] stormy2k, what intel adaptor do you have? [18:37] X3100 [18:39] what kind of problem are you experiencing? [18:39] Ok, it's working again... Strange [18:39] I couldn't activate compiz by the desktop settings [18:40] But with compiz --replace it works [18:40] good good. how is the KMS treating you? [18:40] KMS? [18:41] the Kernel Management with the intel graphics adaptor [18:42] sorry its Kernel Mode Setting [18:42] I'll check [18:42] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting [18:49] i'm jealous i wont be able to use KMS for my nvidia card until probably Ubuntu 10.04 [18:54]