[00:01] TheMuso: hi [00:01] rickspencer3: Hey there. [00:02] rickspencer3: I have nothign on my agenda that I need to talk to you about. === asac_ is now known as asac [00:15] Morning robert_ancell. [00:15] TheMuso, hey === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:14] Good morning [07:14] Morning pitti [07:14] kklimonda: yes, known [07:23] kklimonda: ah, thanks for testing the g-p-m hotkey bug [08:00] morning o/ [08:05] hey, what ever happened to gnome-main-menu (the slab). Is that a dead module? [08:10] good morning there [08:11] hey seb128! [08:11] hey mvo! [08:12] morning seb128 and mvo! [08:12] lut didrocks [08:12] hey seb128 [08:12] hey pitti [08:14] robert_ancell, hey, so did you win over git? ;-) [08:14] seb128, i still hate it [08:16] robert_ancell, good work on converting g-c-c to glade otherwise [08:16] thanks [08:17] I converted gnome-main-menu but I think it's an obsolete module so that wasn't worth it :) [08:17] hey didrocks, pitti and robert_ancell [08:17] hey mvo [08:19] robert_ancell, there is a list on the gnome3 spec whiteboard [08:19] robert_ancell, those are the applications from the default install so likely good target for such changes [08:20] btw am I the only one to often get seahorse gpg dialog in background [08:20] or the session dialog when opening from gnome-panel on karmic [08:20] using compiz [08:22] robert_ancell, mvo: ^ [08:24] seb128: #315591 is similar to what I had at GUADEC, but I was affected by xterm being sgid while here it's nastier in that it's ssh-agent which is launched as part of the session [08:25] seb128, not running compiz right now, will check later (it likes to crash for me) [08:25] lool, thanks, the bug got details and reassigning since I asked so it's ok now [08:25] robert_ancell, ok [08:26] seb128: I commented as well this morning [08:26] lool, thanks [08:26] I officially hate blueprint in launchpad [08:26] robert_ancell, what did you change to the GNOME3 spec? [08:26] the stupid thing send a dump of whiteboard by email [08:26] not really useful to figure what changed [08:28] seb128, you'll never know... I mistakenly thought vinagre was fixed in the last release then I undid that change [08:28] ;-) [08:28] robert_ancell, thanks [08:31] seb128: hm, it was supposed to be fixed long ago :/ [08:32] mvo, I still get the issue there, could you try to design a .changes, esc try again [08:33] seb128, why did you need to rebuild vinagre? === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [08:34] robert_ancell, I don't know how TheMuso did the sponsoring but it didn't match the bzr version tagged, it didn't install the .schemas [08:34] ah ok [08:34] robert_ancell, ie the .install lacked one line [08:37] does anybody know if we should track fontconfig 2.7? [08:37] and dbus 1.3 [08:37] robert_ancell, do we have a way to specify what serie to track in the current versions code? [08:37] seb128, no, only if the upstream has them in directories [08:38] can we put regexps in the filename like watch files do? [08:38] seb128, sure [08:38] ok, I might have a look to changing the fontconfig and dbus series then [08:39] does anyone know the story with mono? Is versions right in saying we are out of date? [08:40] robert_ancell, I asked to the mono guys 2 days ago, they are working on getting 2.4.2, should be there within a week [08:40] cool [08:44] seb128: I take the gnome-session upload if you don't mind? [08:44] robert_ancell, no update from you today? ;-) [08:44] mvo, I was just building it and changed the bug status ... did you start on it? [08:45] seb128, package updates? I thought I'd leave some for others :) [08:45] mvo, in fact no it lacks build-depends so build didn't start, please take it so I will do another update ;-) [08:46] mvo, or wait, I did review it no need to redo that [08:46] and I heard you guys had a backlog anyway ;) [08:46] robert_ancell, not a desktop backlog ;-) we are mostly good on desktop updates anyway [08:48] mvo, should I continue on it or do you want to do it? ;-) [08:49] seb128: if you are on it anyway, just go ahead [08:49] mvo, ok, doing that then [08:49] seb128: I just updated the branch so far [08:49] thanks [08:51] chrisccoulson, hey [08:51] hi seb128 [08:53] brb session restart to try gnome-session update [08:54] guys... About discussing upgrading an app[vuze3.0 to 4.0] in the universe repo? can the mail be sent to the ubuntu-desktop mailing list? is it under the ubuntu-desktop perview? [08:55] mac_v, hi, no, universe is a motu thing [08:55] mac_v, did you manage to fix your apport issue? [08:56] ah... yeah thanx... by the time i fixed you were on a session restart... didnt inform you [08:56] sorry .. [08:56] no problem, so the lp_credential move did the trick? [08:57] yeah... i added a comment regarding this in the bug report, but the ideal way would be to allow the used to change the setting the next time [08:58] i was looking everywhere for the crediantilas files *except* in the cache .:face-palm: [08:59] anyone with hardy/intrepid/jaunty here ;)? [09:00] asac: i have a jaunty, i could boot into... [09:01] mac_v: would you mind being a pre-pre tester for a security/stability related nss/nspr lib update? https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/nss3.12.3 ... [09:01] mac_v: its just upgrading and then using firefox and a few other apps [09:01] firefox alone would be ok too ;) [09:01] but evolution, thunderbird on top would be close to perfect [09:02] asac: do you want it for now or a regular testing? since its a dual boot , i use Karmic mainly [09:02] mac_v: its a one time thing [09:02] just so i know that it works/blows up in general ;) [09:03] i will get more testers on it once i know that it works a bit [09:03] asac: ah... no probs... i use thunderbird too , will test it in an hour [09:03] grat [09:03] great [09:03] ;) [09:04] chrisccoulson, still interested by doing the gnome-applets update? [09:06] seb128 - yeah, i can do that if noone has worked on it by the time i finish work [09:06] ok [09:06] chrisccoulson, good work on gnome-session btw ;-) [09:06] and one extra application using the new kits [09:07] chrisccoulson, if you do the gnome-applets update might be worth considering the polkit1 patch on bugzilla too [09:07] thanks. yeah, i'll take a look at that then [09:07] what uses policykit in gnome-applets? [09:07] ah [09:07] cpufreq-selector? [09:08] chrisccoulson, right [09:08] doh powerpc buildds [09:08] "WARNING: this version of the GNU libc requires kernel version [09:08] 2.6.18 or later. Please upgrade your kernel before installing [09:08] glibc. [09:08] " [09:09] mvo, impressive apt update to debian ;-) [09:09] seb128 - yeah, i'm seeing that for everything i upload now [09:10] seb128: yeah, the list of changes is pretty long :) [09:11] mvo, next time somebody complain about it not being maintained I will give a good kick and point them there ;-) [09:11] haha - yeah [09:11] mvo, lot of different names too [09:11] reading stuff like that (unmaintained) hurts, no fun :( [09:11] yeah :) [09:12] is david the new contributor? [09:12] we go some new guys, david is great [09:12] cool [09:12] (fun as well) [09:12] I initially wanted to name the release "no dead yet" :) [09:13] chrisccoulson: oh, does the new gnome-session bring back suspend/hibernate to the shutdown dialog? [09:13] that broke with the new g-p-m [09:13] pitti: it should [09:13] \o/ [09:13] * pitti hugs vuntz, bonjour! [09:14] pitti, it does there [09:14] lut vuntz [09:14] hola [09:14] pitti - yeah, i get a suspend icon now [09:14] vuntz, t'as vu ce que je demandais y a 2 jours? [09:15] vuntz, the question about the gnome-patch to fix ordering issues [09:15] ah, I remember. Didn't have time to look, but will try to look at it [09:15] seb128: oh, sharing desktop? [09:16] pitti, I just clicked on the empathy item to see what it does [09:16] seb128: right, I got an invitation to share screen [09:16] but now I just have the VNC viewer open [09:16] pitti, I did undo the demand there I though it would not work with your not uptodate empathy [09:17] ah [09:18] pitti, let's try again [09:18] oh, seems I have some kind of connection now [09:19] I got a notify bubble saying you control my desktop [09:19] is that true? [09:19] I accepted the invitation, have VNC viewer now, and see a totally black screen [09:19] hmm [09:19] pitti, could be that my dsl upload is too slow for that [09:20] seb128: if I select "original size" in the menu, I get something like a 150x50 window [09:20] I don't believe that you are working on a stamp-sized screen :) [09:20] seb128: do I need a new telepathy something for that? [09:20] 1680x1050 [09:20] dunno [09:20] cassidy, Zdra: ^ [09:21] the vnc plugin is enabled, anyway [09:21] I'm on karmic current [09:21] you disconnected [09:22] pitti, my vinagre was outdated, let's try again? [09:22] seb128: the slow connection depends on the relay you are using [09:22] seb128: you are behind a NAT? [09:22] seb128: tubes don't have nat traversal yet :( [09:22] Zdra, behind a dsl router [09:22] so am I [09:23] so that would be it then, I guess [09:23] yep, so we have an hardcoded list of proxy to use, it pick one randomly [09:23] *nnnng* IPv6!!! now!!! [09:23] if no luck, it is really slow [09:23] unless your jabber server gives its own proxy [09:24] well no screen at all displayed right now [09:24] seb128: pitti: the same connection mechanism is used for filetransfer [09:24] could I add a port forward to my router? which port? [09:24] oh, empathy has file transfer? [09:24] I didn't find that functionality, I was already missing it [09:24] pitti: sure [09:25] oh, I do have it for jabber, but not for ICQ [09:25] * Zdra can't wait for gabble using libnice for nat traversal! [09:26] pitti: file transfer is only for jabber and salut [09:26] msn coming "soon" [10:02] vuntz: I'm looking at the script-on-shutdown thing again, the environment for the scripts will just be a additional "GSM_MANAGER_LOGOUT_TYPE={logout,reboot,shutdown}" - is that naming ok with you? [10:06] mvo: sounds good [10:19] vuntz: any problems with using environ? or should I use g_listenv(), g_getenv() (the later is a bit cumbersome to use) [10:22] mvo: hrm, why do you need this? Isn't just a simple g_setenv()? [10:24] vuntz: if that is ok then sure :) I guess its no problem because the session is shuting down anyway, my initial impulse was to pass it to g_spawn via envp, but if its ok to just use g_setenv, everything is much simpler :) [10:28] mvo: well, no other applications than the script-on-shutdown ones should be spawned by the session manager, so... [10:28] pitti, is there a way to force a .crash reprocessing? [10:29] pitti, ie to test hooks easily [10:29] pitti, I want to do magic on the Stacktrace but sending a sig11 each time and waiting for the dump is annoying [10:29] vuntz: excellent, thanks [10:29] seb128: does it need to be a crash? for a general hook, just use ubuntu-bug package (as if you'd file a bug), look at details, cancel [10:29] * mvo removes a bunch of lines [10:29] ah [10:29] seb128: 1. generate crash; 2. cp /var/crash/foo.crash /tmp/; apport-gtk -c /tmp/foo.crash [10:30] pitti, I guess I can fake a stacktrace add with attach_file [10:30] in the hook [10:30] 3. change hook; 4. goto 2 [10:30] pitti, ok thanks [10:36] seb128: by looking at the Karmic translations import queue, I see that the evolution and e-d-s uploads a couple of days ago have got evolution-.pot and evolution-data-server-.pot templates. I think that was an attempt to remove the version number from the template name, but the dash at the end of the name should be removed. Could you have a look into that? [10:36] dpm, will do, thanks for noticing [10:36] thanks [10:38] seb128: whenever you've got time to do it, could you please ping me when it's done? Then I'll know when I have to remove the old "dash" templates [10:38] dpm, you can already drop those they are wrong naming [10:39] seb128: actually, good point. I'll disable them now [10:39] dpm, thanks [10:40] pitti, adding a " attach_file(report, "/tmp/Stacktrace", "StackTrace")" did the trick easily [10:40] pitti, so I can keep using ubuntu-bug -p bug [10:41] seb128: that works, too, just a little more effort than a cp; apport-gtk -c invocation [10:41] pitti, it's faster than processing the .crash with the dump though ;-) [10:41] anyway either way is working [10:41] thanks [10:41] ah, indeed [10:42] pitti, attach_related_packages() doesn't run the packages hooks right? [10:43] no [10:43] seb128: as I said, I'm happy to add an optional package arg to add_hooks_info() [10:45] pitti, ok, will open a bug about that [10:46] pitti, and is there a way to reassign the bug automatically? [10:46] pitti, ie to say if the stacktrace contains some library name reassing to that component [10:46] use, if nautilus crashes in libnautilus-ubuntuone the bug should go to ubuntuone-client [10:47] seb128: call add_package_info('new_binary_package_name') [10:47] seb128: such things are easier to do in a bug pattern, though [10:47] ah, for new crashes [10:47] right, makes sense [10:47] sorry [10:48] seb128: and, great idea! [10:48] ;-) [10:48] I'm a bit confused on how to do it right now [10:50] ah ok, gotcha [10:50] if 'ubuntuone' in report['StackTrace']: [10:50] report.add_package_info("ubuntuone-client") [10:54] seb128: right, looks good [10:54] seb128: however, it's "Stacktrace", not "StackTrace" [10:54] pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/236464/ [10:55] pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/236467/ looks right? [10:56] seb128: please use apport.packaging.get_file_package(files) instead of the dpkg -S stuff [10:56] pitti, thanks, I didn't know about that, I've been looking to "python -c 'import apport.hookutils; help(apport.hookutils)'" basically [11:01] pitti, http://paste.ubuntu.com/236474/ better? [11:02] pitti, seems to work fine sorry for all the questions and thanks again ;-) [11:02] apport rocks [11:02] seb128: looks good! [11:02] seb128: no need to be sorry, it's not that obvious [11:03] * pitti hugs seb128 [11:03] * seb128 hugs pitti [11:22] anybody wanting to have a look to http://paste.ubuntu.com/236490/ and comment if the code looks ok? [11:23] especially the code to recurse over the stacktrace to find /usr/lib/nautilus.... [11:24] seb128: wouldn't it be easier to do [11:24] if '/usr/lib/nautilus' in report.get('Stacktrace', ''): [11:24] hum, could split() the whole text [11:24] add_package_info() [11:25] ah, ignore me [11:25] pitti, well, I need to figure what package [11:25] right [11:26] it looks a bit complex, but ok to me [11:26] for words in report["Stacktrace"].split(): [11:26] if words.startswith("/usr/lib/nautilus"): [11:26] report.add_package_info(apport.packaging.get_file_package(words)) [11:26] can do that [11:26] that drop one recursion, I direct split all the words [11:26] ok, let's do that [11:27] that should work, too [11:27] ok, I did some testing and I'm happy with it [11:27] seb128: report.get('Stacktrace', ''), though [11:27] just in case it's not there [11:27] let's upload and see how it goes [11:27] seb128: why do you only collect infomation about /usr/lib/nautilus when it doesn't appear in the stackstrace? [11:27] i. e. for ubuntu-bug nautilus you won't have a trace [11:27] pitti, hum? [11:28] seb128: oh, you have a separate has_key(); that work, stoo [11:28] "works, too" [11:28] geser, because when it is in the stacktrace we open the bug on the said component and not nautilus [11:28] ah [11:29] geser, ie libnautilus-gdu.so -> gnome-disk-utils [11:29] geser, I'm not sure that infos about nautilus would be revelant in such cases [11:29] anyway we can tweak the hook later if required [11:29] true [11:29] thanks for reviews [11:30] is this line-splitting better/faster than using a regex on the Stackstrace? [11:32] geser, no clue I took the easiest way, I doubt it will make a difference compared to the coredump processing [11:32] ie some milliseconds where gdb will take some 30 seconds [11:32] gdb or whatever processes the crash [11:32] ok === shiyee_ is now known as shiyee [12:20] Zdra, cassidy: who would be interested by a telepathy-butterfly crash + patch on launchpad? [12:20] the bug has a log so it's private but I can subscribe somebody [12:20] bug #406710 [12:20] Bug 406710 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/406710 is private [12:20] lunch, brb [12:20] seb128: you can subscribe me, I'll fw to the butterfly maintainer [12:20] seb128: istaz probably [12:23] lunch and doctor appointment, bbl [12:29] mvo - you ported ubuntu-system-service to polkit-1 didn't you? [12:30] chrisccoulson: yes [12:30] cool, thanks [12:33] asac, around? [12:34] seb128 - i'll apply the upstream polkit-1 patch to gconf too if you like. i think we need it now as the gnome-power-manager capplet uses the gconf-defaults mechanism and has already been ported i think [12:35] asac, I tried to pacakge gnome-bluetooth but running it I have some trouble -> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-bluetooth/+bug/406592 [12:35] Launchpad bug 406592 in gnome-bluetooth "please sponsor new release 2.27.8" [Undecided,New] [12:36] if someone can unsubscribed universe sponsors, someone subscribed them for me ... [12:40] cassidy, done [12:40] cassidy, you should be able to see the bug now [12:42] seb128: I am, thanks [12:42] good, thanks for have a look to the bug ;-) [12:46] crevette: doest it work if you run it from the built source tree? [12:47] otherwise its likely a coding bug. check fedora if they have any patches or more recent snapshot. [12:47] I don't know, I used ppa, I know how to build it in pbuilder, but not how to keep the builddir [12:48] however jhbuild workds perfectly [12:48] didrocks, hey [12:48] didrocks, kov is packaging clutter-1.0 in pkg-gnome svn [12:48] seb128: yep ? :) [12:48] didrocks, if you want to update that later this week ;-) [12:48] crevette: apt-get build-dep gnome-bluetooth .... and then kick it off outside the pbuilder ;) [12:48] seb128: I have already merge with on version in pkg-gnome svn [12:49] merged* [12:49] crevette: done (unsubscribing u-u-s) [12:49] didrocks, waouh, you are quick ;-) [12:49] seb128: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clutter-0.9 :) [12:49] didrocks, oh, there is 1.0, ie new source [12:50] they turned 0.9 stable to 1.0 [12:50] crevette: you regularly work on gnome stuff, so those few build depends wont hurt you i am sure ;) [12:50] oh 1.0, sorry, I read it too fast [12:50] seb128: great \o/ [12:50] ;-) [12:50] ok, I'm doing that [12:50] then we can make a place for mutter into karmic :) [12:50] and then, pushing it back to pkg-gnome svn? [12:50] ;-) [12:50] would be nice [12:52] asac, I'm not certain this is a build depends problem, but rather a packaging issue, that's why I'm a bit stuck. [12:52] lool, any opinion on the change http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29712507/gdm_2.27.4-0ubuntu7.debdiff? I think you were looking at those no password login [12:52] does the content of *.symbols has consequences? [12:53] crevette_: you can easily figure it by building the package and then trying to run it from the built tree [12:54] crevette_: if that works you just need to figure which files you forgot or not [12:54] so I need to ressurect a pbuilder tree .. [12:54] crevette_: if it doesnt help then its a build or code problem [12:54] the code seems to be okay, as I say, jhuilld build works fine [12:54] crevette_: yes, but what i meant with apt-get builde-dep is that you should stop using pbuilders for such things :) [12:55] pbuilders are good to do a sanity check on packages [12:55] but not good for development ;) [12:55] but you can also keep the tree if you find out how to do that ;) === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:58] could also be that its build parameters or something. but [12:59] i can check it out when i come back from lunch and you didnt get further yet [12:59] * asac off to lunch [12:59] asac, I won't have time to check while i'm work [13:04] chrisccoulson, you were saying? [13:04] hi seb128 [13:04] hey again ;-) [13:04] did you not see what i wrote? (i've got no scollback now as I went away for lunch) [13:05] I did, but you were not around and I restarted IRC since [13:05] let me think [13:05] oh, the polkit1 thing [13:06] yes backporting for gconf seems good [13:06] ah, that's ok. yeah, that's it. i'll apply the gconf patch from upstream later [13:06] right, i've got to go again now - i have a meeting === crevette_ is now known as crevette [13:30] asac: i'v been using the nss update in jaunty, firefox,thunderbird and evolution have *not* caught on fire ;p [13:31] mac_v: great [13:32] asac: anything else you want me to check?... [13:32] mac_v: if you are still on jaunty checkout apt-cache rdepends libnss3-1d and maybe try another ;) [13:32] otherwise its great [13:32] * mac_v itching to get back to karmic ;p [13:32] dobey, hi [13:33] dobey, do you know why that doesn't work with intltool-update? [13:33] AC_SUBST([BASE_VERSION],[base_version]) [13:34] GETTEXT_PACKAGE=evolution-$BASE_VERSION [13:34] dobey, that's basically what evolution does and it gives an "evolution-" template [13:35] base_version is correctly defined as 2.28 [13:40] mac_v: oh i have something else if you are still on jaunty ;) [13:41] mac_v: install the nspr and nss packages from intrepid and see if it still works [13:41] still on jaunty... checking the rdepends [13:41] ok... [13:41] libnspr4-0d libnss3-1d [13:41] mac_v: the intreid packages from that ppa i mean (not from real archive) [13:42] yeah === WelshDragon is now known as Cuddles [13:55] seb128: Sorry was on a call [13:56] seb128: That debdiff reminds me of something I wanted to touch a long while ago but I frankly don't remember much about it [13:56] ok [13:57] asac: everything seems fine... no problems with intrepid either [13:57] seb128: It doesn't sound like a too bad idea to use a group to define who can login without password in gdm; perhaps security folks or pitti have an opinion [13:57] The implementation is ok === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:57] pitti, ^ any opinion? [14:03] mclasen, hi [14:04] hey [14:04] mclasen, do you have edit access to http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/stable/gtk-migrating-GtkBuilder.html or do you know where to open bugs about it? [14:04] mclasen, the "g_warning ("Couldn't load builder file: s", error->message);" lacks a "%" [14:04] I've fixed that a while ago [14:04] should be fixed in 2.17.6 [14:04] has that not made it onto library.g.o ? [14:04] mclasen, http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/unstable/gtk-migrating-GtkBuilder.html has a "&s", shouldn't it be "%s" ? [14:05] or are you looking at the stable api docs ? [14:05] mclasen, stable is buggy, unstable has "&s" [14:05] seb128: I'd poke fredp about library.gnome.org, I understand he has admin access? [14:05] its all automatic [14:05] mclasen, shouldn't it be "%s"? [14:05] but the &s is wrong in any case [14:06] I'll fix that [14:06] thanks [14:06] do you want a bug on bugzilla as reminder? [14:06] or should I just fix it to git? [14:06] you can just fix it" s/&/&perc;/ or so [14:07] hum, I don't have a gtk+ checkout there ... so if you could do it I would appreciate [14:07] my download is sort of busy right now [14:07] sure [14:07] thanks ;-) [14:07] let me find the right entity name [14:07] ah, % [14:08] right [14:18] seb128: what is GETTEXT_PACKAGE set to in the final Makefile? [14:19]