[10:33] <bravebug> Why ubuntu traslators translates already translated packeges?
[13:43] <lukjad007> Hey TuxPurple
[14:05] <ludovicc> hello
[14:33] <vdquynh> Hi, Is this where the Ubuntu Translation meeting is going on ?
[15:59] <dpm> soren, hi everyone!
[16:00] <dpm> #startmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is dpm.
[16:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[16:01] <dpm> soren, whoever's here for the translations meeting, give a shout!
[16:01] <evanrmurphy> here! (mostly)
[16:02] <dpm> hi evanrmurphy!
[16:02] <evanrmurphy> hi dpm :)
[16:02] <dpm> we'll wait a couple of minutes to see if other folks come by
[16:02] <czajkowski> alhoa
[16:02] <dpm> hey czajkowski
[16:03]  * ScottK pokes his head in to say thanks for all the great support for fixing Kubuntu translations yesterday.
[16:03] <dpm> hey ScottK! :-) It was great teamwork
[16:03] <ScottK> Agreed.
[16:04] <ScottK> I think we got more done yesterday than in the entire last year.
[16:04] <dpm> cool
[16:06] <dpm> as adiroiban was the one wanting to further discuss the first topic (Ubuntu Translations project) and he's not yet here, and as I believe we haven't got anyone from the Hebrew community to talk about the Hebrew translations issues, let's reshuffle the agenda:
[16:06] <rgreening> yay for improving kubuntu :) thanks
[16:07] <dpm> I'll start with a brief report on the Kubuntu Translations Day yesterday
[16:08] <dpm> [TOPIC] Kubuntu Translations Day report
[16:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kubuntu Translations Day report
[16:09] <dpm> yesterday we celebrated the Kubuntu Translations Day on #kubuntu-devel, with the purpose of getting Kubuntu translations in good shape for Karmic and in general to give them some love
[16:10] <dpm> most of the work we did was not based on actual translations, but rather internationalization work, as a basis for:
[16:11] <dpm> a) users to see their apps properly translated in Kubuntu Karmic
[16:11] <dpm> b) translators to be able to translate them
[16:11] <dpm> we covered a lot of ground, and we got some bug reports to start working on
[16:12] <dpm> so this is still ongoing work, I do not want to stop it here
[16:13] <dpm> on the whole, I think the outcome was very positive and I'd like to repeat it again
[16:14] <dpm> we basically focused on Karmic, but we might use some of this work for Jaunty as well
[16:15] <dpm> for me personally, it was also a good opportunity to learn how the Kubuntu/KDE translation infrastructure works, and it was a fulfilling experience
[16:16] <dpm> we also had upstream presence there, yurchov, from the Ukranian KDE translation team, and we had the opportunity to exchange views and knowledge on Kubuntu-KDE translations
[16:17] <dpm> it will take some days to see the results of the work still, until the next karmic language packs are released, but during the release cycle they are released ca. every couple of days IIRC
[16:18] <dpm> so it shouldn't actually take long
[16:18] <dpm> I think that was all from my part, has anyone got any questions?
[16:23] <dpm> it seems there aren't any questions, nor many people around so I'll skip the discussion topics and I'll just report on the next topic
[16:24] <dpm> and go on with the monologue :-)
[16:28] <dpm> [TOPIC] GNOME help files shipped verbatim in language packs
[16:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  GNOME help files shipped verbatim in language packs
[16:31] <dpm> There's work in progress in getting the GNOME help files in language packs
[16:31] <dpm> This will _probably_ be done for Karmic
[16:31] <czajkowski> that would be rather helpful
[16:32] <dpm> yes, but I should highlight that at this point this will only be a (Live-/Alternate-)CD space-saving feature,
[16:33] <dpm> since the xml to PO (import) and PO to xml (langpack export) conversion will still have to be done manually.
[16:33] <dpm> We will only copy the verbatim bits, no xml <-> po conversion for now, that requires proper rosetta support
[16:34] <dpm> which is not yet implemented
[16:35] <dpm> For those interested in the (technical) details, here's the corresponding bug -> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/soyuz/+bug/123020
[16:36] <czajkowski> dpm: thanks
[16:36] <czajkowski> .c
[16:37] <dpm> np :)
[16:39] <dpm> hopefully this will give us some more space in the CD for additional language packs, although since we're also adding features and generally making Ubuntu rocking harder every time, space in the CD is always a balance between features and functionality
[16:39] <dpm> sorry, that was wrong, features and _usability_ :-)
[16:41] <dpm> anyway, I think since there's not many folks around I'd say we move the pending topics to the mailing list and we make the rest of the meeting a Q+A session on translations, what do you say?
[16:42] <evanrmurphy> ay
[16:43] <dpm> ok, so now's the chance to ask everything you wanted to know on translations and were afraid to ask, just shoot :-)
[16:43] <czajkowski> well this is more a general question about translations
[16:43] <dpm> [TOPIC] Translations Q+A
[16:43] <MootBot> New Topic:  Translations Q+A
[16:44] <dpm> sure, feel free to ask czajkowski
[16:44] <czajkowski> we;re trying to do more for our team irish, but we keep seening to start bits and pieces here and there, for other teams, how do you do it, everyone work on seperate areas, or work on one area till it's done
[16:45] <czajkowski> maybe it's more a question for -locoteams, but seeing as folks are in here I said I'd ask
[16:48] <dpm> I think it's a perfect question for this meeting :) The way of working depends on each team. I guess the first question would be where you want to put your translation efforts: Ubuntu or Kubuntu. Form a comment from shanefagan, IIRC I think the Irish team want to concentrate on Ubuntu
[16:48] <czajkowski> aye,
[16:48] <czajkowski> so last night I looked at Ubuntu one, and it's half done.
[16:49] <czajkowski> just wondering do teams have trnaslation meet ups and do it at the same time or jsut keep going at it
[16:49] <czajkowski> dpm: thanks
[16:50] <dpm> I think this thread started by evanrmurphy on the ubuntu-translators ML will give you some more insight on how different teams work and communicate -> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2009-July/002618.html
[16:51] <czajkowski> dpm: perfect thanks
[16:51] <dpm> in general I think teams work more in a distributed way
[16:51] <czajkowski> *nods*
[16:51] <dpm> and use mailing lists and forums to communicate
[16:51] <dpm> BUT
[16:51] <dpm> I think translation jams are a good opportunity to get together and get a lot of translations done
[16:52] <czajkowski> dpm: might try one
[16:52] <dpm> that's one of the reasons we are trying to promote them in the Ubuntu Global Jam
[16:52] <dpm> yeah
[16:53] <dpm> As for what to concentrate on to translate: then you can decide on which packages (as in applications) you want to focus on. I'd recommend the most visible ones, since they're also the ones users will first see and will be easier for translators to test
[16:53] <czajkowski> yes I think we're going to have to do one before hand and get people more invovled in it and practice. Leftmost sent us an email asking us to contribute to gnome more upstream but that means not using rosetta, and that is rather nice tool
[16:54] <czajkowski> dpm: thanks you've helped a lot
[16:54] <dpm> czajkowski: np, I'm glad I could help
[16:54] <dpm> you can still use Rosetta and submit translations back to GNOME, though
[16:54] <dpm> it is a bit more technical, but it's still doable
[16:55] <dpm> I've been working on some documentation in the wiki on how to do that
[16:55] <czajkowski> ok good to know at least
[16:56] <dpm> It's still work in progress and I started it to have some material for the Kubuntu Translations Day, but the next step will be for me (or other community members) to document how to contribute back to GNOME
[16:56] <czajkowski> dpm: cool I think that's what leftmost was saying with regard to irish .
[16:57] <dpm> czajkowski: here's the KDE page as an example -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Upstream/KDE
[16:57] <czajkowski> cheers
[16:57] <dpm> you're welcome
[16:58] <dpm> anything else for the last 3 mins?
[16:59] <geirha> Are man-pages translatable through rosetta?
[16:59] <dpm> geirha: no, they are not translatable. For those we do not import translations and they are only translatable upstream
[17:00] <dpm> It's mostly for technical reasons
[17:01] <dpm> man pages do not use gettext, which is the translation technology behind most opensource projects, and that's the only format (apart from an exception for Mozilla projects)
[17:01] <geirha> dpm: I see. That explains why I can't find it on lp :)
[17:01] <dpm> yup :)
[17:01] <dpm> anyway, I think we'll leave it here for today
[17:01] <czajkowski> excellent
[17:01] <dpm> many thanks to everyone for listening and for your participation
[17:02]  * dpm claps
[17:02] <dpm> see you around, and in the next meeting :)
[17:02] <dpm> #endmeeting
[17:02] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:02.
[17:02] <czajkowski> dpm: weather forecast is for rain :)
[17:02] <czajkowski> you have been warned
[17:03] <dpm> hahah, I wasn't expecting anything less
[17:03] <evanrmurphy> later all! :)
[22:57] <EDavidBurg> The FC meeting is about to start, correct?
[22:58] <Snova_> I think so, yes.
[22:58] <DougieRichardson> I believe so
[22:58] <forumsmatthew> we are scheduled to begin in just a few minutes
[22:58] <bodhi_zazen> should be
[22:58] <forumsmatthew> we aren't all here yet, though
[22:58] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo forumsmatthew
[22:58] <Technoviking> here :)
[22:58] <cariboo907> here :)
[22:58] <Bodsda> hello everyone /me is spectating
[22:58] <forumsmatthew> ubuntu-geek and jdong won't be here
[22:59] <EDavidBurg> jdong has been gone a lot recently
[22:59] <forumsmatthew> anyone hear from kiwi and/or bapoumba
[22:59] <liviubero> I am here
[22:59] <forumsmatthew> EDavidBurg, he's working a special summer project
[22:59] <EDavidBurg> Yeah, I heard
[22:59] <bodhi_zazen> kiwi was active on the forums just a few minutes ago
[23:00] <bodhi_zazen> Agenda : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ForumCouncilAgenda
[23:00] <mint> oh its started?
[23:00] <mint> no?
[23:00] <forumsmatthew> not quite
[23:00] <liviubero> I don't know
[23:00] <mint> lol ok
[23:01] <forumsmatthew> only 3 out of 7 of us are here, with 2 known to be unable to make it
[23:01] <forumsmatthew> we're looking into the other two
[23:01] <lukjad007> Hi
[23:01] <jenkinbr> hello all :)
[23:02] <liviubero> hello
[23:02] <Bodsda> hello
[23:02]  * DougieRichardson waves
[23:02] <lukjad007> Made it back in time!
[23:02] <jenkinbr> forumsmatthew: you mean 3?
[23:02] <mint> at what time will the report icon issue be discussed?
[23:03] <liviubero> I hope after my case
[23:03] <forumsmatthew> jenkinbr, no, I mean 2.
[23:03] <forumsmatthew> 3 are here, 2 can't come, 2 are being checked up on. That's 7
[23:03] <jenkinbr> aw :)
[23:03] <mint> your case?
[23:04] <liviubero> yes, I have an item on the list
[23:04] <jacob> bapoumba has been out since saturday unless I missed something?
[23:04] <mint> oh i see
[23:04] <forumsmatthew> okay, I have confirmed that bapoumba isn't yet back from her trip and won't be here
[23:04] <forumsmatthew> I'm checking on kiwi now
[23:06] <forumsmatthew> well, kiwi seems to have gone offline just before I sent the message to him. as he hasn't made an irc meeting in years, I don't think we will see him
[23:06] <forumsmatthew> okay, bodhi_zazen and Technoviking, should we postpone?
[23:07] <mint> postpone the whole meeting?
[23:07] <bodhi_zazen> I think we can discuss a few issues if you are willing
[23:07] <liviubero> I am willing
[23:08] <bodhi_zazen> is Lord Xeb here ?
[23:08] <Technoviking> We can discuss and post logs on the discussion, but could not vote on anything
[23:08] <liviubero> but not if don't :-)
[23:08] <forumsmatthew> I think Technoviking is right. We don't have a quorum
[23:08] <forumsmatthew> I would rather postpone discussion until we are able to act
[23:09] <EDavidBurg> Or I can be an honorary FC member :)
[23:09] <forumsmatthew> lol
[23:09] <forumsmatthew> :)
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> I am alright with that, but I think there are a few items that do not need action
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> err, I mean a vote
[23:09] <liviubero> for instance my case?
[23:09] <bodhi_zazen> for example , If I recall correct, this is not the first no-show for Lord Xeb
[23:09] <Bodsda> Dougie Richardson's could be discussed?
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> I think we should remove his name from the agenda and he can re-add it if he wishes =)
[23:10] <Technoviking> bodhi_zazen: agreed
[23:10] <forumsmatthew> bodhi_zazen, I think that's reasonable
[23:10] <EDavidBurg> He's been banned a while.
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> Ryan is not here
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> do we wish to discuss #3 ?
[23:10] <EDavidBurg> Can we at least knock out the report button issue? I think that's a pretty minor one with a simple fix.
[23:10] <bodhi_zazen> "Testimonials and Experiences"
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> in order of the agenda please =)
[23:11] <forumsmatthew> EDavidBurg, that requires Ryan since he is the only one of us that has direct access to upload images to the server
[23:11] <liviubero> fine for me
[23:11] <mint> ...
[23:11] <bodhi_zazen> "Testimonials and Experiences" anyone ?
[23:11] <DougieRichardson> Evening all, the specification summarises my suggestion
[23:11] <forumsmatthew> I don't see anything on the agenda that we can act on, including creating a team
[23:12] <forumsmatthew> it's a good idea
[23:12] <forumsmatthew> let's talk about it when we have a quorum
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> OK
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> liviubero: we can not act on => next meeting
[23:12] <DougieRichardson> OK but when is the next meeting likely to be?
[23:12] <EDavidBurg> A month or so
[23:12] <liviubero> omg
[23:12] <bodhi_zazen> I suggest we defer report icon as we can not act on that either
[23:12]  * DougieRichardson shakes head...
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> Same with LP integration
[23:13] <jacob> looks like Technoviking is already on top of the team reports
[23:13] <liviubero> could you not send a log ?
[23:13] <bodhi_zazen> but do we wish to discuss LP at all forumsmatthew ?
[23:13] <mint> excuseme but if the other council mebers couldn't be bothered to show up, isn't it tough luck to them?
[23:13] <liviubero> concerning my stuff
[23:13] <mint> excuse me*
[23:13] <forumsmatthew> please, wait
[23:13] <forumsmatthew> we need a majority of the council present to make decisions
[23:13] <forumsmatthew> four members could not make it
[23:13] <mint> very disappointing
[23:13] <forumsmatthew> due to events in real life
[23:13] <lukjad007> mint You need quorum.
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> they aren't shirking responsibility
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> it happens
[23:14] <lukjad007> mint See Robert's Rules
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> I don't want to push anything
[23:14] <Technoviking> jacob: I trying to get the FC/forum report in every month, but... I'm full of fail sometimes:)
[23:14] <mint> roberts rules?
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> I don't want to see grumpiness
[23:14] <komputes> Concerning the report button, I have to agree with Viva who proposed a red icon on the thread (perhaps a flag?)
[23:14] <EDavidBurg> forumsmatthew: does it require a forum to decide to change the report button? Ryan can get to actually changing it as he has time.
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> take a deep breath
[23:14] <mint> ?
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> EDavidBurg, yes. We'll ask him
[23:14] <forumsmatthew> listen
[23:14] <EDavidBurg> thanks.
[23:14] <jacob> (Technoviking: i'm the same way with our loco reports :-!)
[23:15]  * The_Toxic_Mite wishes to say hello
[23:15] <forumsmatthew> I'll send a note to the FC and we will look for another time to meet, preferably sooner than a month
[23:15] <DougieRichardson> forumsmatthew: I appreciate the need for a quorum its late here and I've waited up for this.  Not meaning to sound sniffy as that's not my intention but if we can't discuss then let's close for now.
[23:15] <forumsmatthew> agreed
[23:15] <forumsmatthew> bye
[23:15] <mint> how utterly pointless
[23:15] <liviubero> hey
[23:15] <The_Toxic_Mite> What's up, mint?
[23:15] <DougieRichardson> OK that's disappointing
[23:15] <liviubero> are you going?
[23:15] <EDavidBurg> Haha, matthew got out of here quick when people started complaining :)
[23:15] <bodhi_zazen> mint: happens
[23:16] <liviubero> I've wited up for this
[23:16] <jacob> mint: that's a basic thing: you can't vote on something if there aren't over 50% of people to vote on it
[23:16] <jenkinbr> mint: the Report button is not that big a deal - I think it can wait
[23:16] <The_Toxic_Mite> Hey jenkinbr
[23:16] <mint> well bodhi it's still very disappointing
[23:16] <jenkinbr> although I did see the thread merge.
[23:16] <jenkinbr> TTM: hey!
[23:16] <DougieRichardson> has matthew quit?
[23:16] <lukjad007> mint http://www.robertsrules.com/faq.html#3
[23:16] <mint> doesn't exactly inspire much in the way of the council
[23:16] <lukjad007> DougieRichardson looks like it
[23:16] <Bodsda> DougieRichardson, yeah
[23:16] <komputes> yup
[23:17] <lukjad007> mint The rules are quite clear
[23:17] <liviubero> could you not just log what I have to say in my defence and then act?
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> OK can we get a little order to what remains of this meeting ?
[23:17]  * popey tickles bodhi_zazen 
[23:17] <liviubero> you don't have to act now
[23:17] <bodhi_zazen> OK, lets go back
[23:17] <lukjad007> mint Nothing can be done without quorum, except call a recess, or adjourn, and something else like that.
[23:17] <liviubero> just listen what I have to say, think about it ad then act
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> I will listen to DougieRichardson
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> as he is first on the agenda =)
[23:18] <liviubero> ok
[23:18]  * lukjad007 quiets down.
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> although understand no actino can be taken
[23:18] <mint> ugh too much bureaucratic nonsense paralyzed by missing members
[23:18] <mint> bye
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> DougieRichardson: ?
[23:18] <DougieRichardson> cheers bodhi_zazen, I'm a bit put out with forrumsmatthew's attitude to be honest
[23:18] <DougieRichardson> Anyhoo
[23:18] <DougieRichardson> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Forum/Spec/TestimonialTeam
[23:18] <bodhi_zazen> OK, sorry about that
[23:19]  * Joeb454 should've stood in as a semi FC member :P
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> DougieRichardson: I like your suggestion
[23:19] <DougieRichardson> Thanks bodhi_zazen
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> Are you willing to spend some time in T&E then ?
[23:19] <DougieRichardson> yes
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> thanks
[23:19] <Bodsda> o/
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> I agree with your take
[23:19] <DougieRichardson> I'm stepping back from some other projects for it if needed
[23:19] <bodhi_zazen> I like moving the threads there
[23:20] <DougieRichardson> lol
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> because otherwise they fill with trolling
[23:20] <DougieRichardson> Its the reaction from our members that seems to cause the issue
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> so moving them to T&E with some dedicated time from you would be a place to start
[23:20] <DougieRichardson> I agree
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> give us an update next meeting =)
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> Bodsda: is it on topic ?
[23:20] <DougieRichardson> I will do mate
[23:20] <Bodsda> yes
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> Thanks
[23:20] <bodhi_zazen> go Bods
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> I think the idea has merit DougieRichardson
[23:21] <Bodsda> I would be willing/I would like to   help out with this if DougieRichardson would allow me to do so. I have read the spec and think it is a very worthy cause
[23:21] <DougieRichardson> ofcourse
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> great
[23:21] <bodhi_zazen> any other comments ?
[23:22] <EDavidBurg> Is there really a need for an official team?
[23:22] <DougieRichardson> Not just now - as long as the council is in approval I'll flesh it out
[23:22] <DougieRichardson> Yes
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> probably not DougieRichardson
[23:22] <Bodsda> DougieRichardson, appreciated, I'll start spending more time in T&E and try and discuss with you closer to the next FC meeting
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> OK, next topic
[23:22] <jacob> bodhi_zazen: I do have some concerns with it, but they can wait until the next meeting
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]liviubero
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> #startmeeting
[23:22] <MootBot> Meeting started at 17:22. The chair is bodhi_zazen.
[23:22] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[23:22] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]liviubero
[23:22] <MootBot> New Topic: liviubero
[23:22] <EDavidBurg> It just strikes me as a bit... missionary
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> liviubero: you are up
[23:23] <EDavidBurg> Ah, sorry, next topic. continue.
[23:23] <liviubero> ok
[23:23] <liviubero> may  I speak?
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> although understand no action can be taken so you may wish to defer to next time
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> yes
[23:23] <liviubero> I would just like to speak
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> you have the floow
[23:23] <bodhi_zazen> floor
[23:23] <liviubero> first of all,
[23:24] <liviubero> thank you for the chance of speaking for myself
[23:24] <liviubero> I am aware of the fact that in other communities
[23:24] <liviubero> one would not have such a chance
[23:24] <liviubero> so here is what I have to say in my defence
[23:24] <liviubero> ( I would be gratefull if you let me speak until am I over )
[23:24] <liviubero> ( else I could lose my point - I am very tired )
[23:24] <liviubero> ( and tomorrow I have an exam )
[23:25] <liviubero> in June-July I was posting in the
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> just stay on topic please
[23:25] <bodhi_zazen> w/o commentaty
[23:25] <liviubero> "Are you a thread killer?" thread
[23:25] <liviubero> in the Community Cafe Games
[23:25] <liviubero> I posted at some point
[23:25] <liviubero> that a user should post something stupid
[23:25] <liviubero> in order to kill the thread
[23:25] <liviubero> so stupid that none can answer
[23:25] <liviubero> - this would be the usual way to kill a thread
[23:26] <liviubero> then a (new) game began:
[23:26] <bodhi_zazen> stop =)
[23:26] <liviubero> yes?
[23:26] <bodhi_zazen> that is not why your account was banned
[23:26] <liviubero> I know
[23:26] <liviubero> but I am not finished
[23:26] <bodhi_zazen> OK, so on topic please
[23:26] <bodhi_zazen> people are waiting
[23:26] <liviubero> and the game went on
[23:26] <liviubero> into providing the most (obviously) stupid answer
[23:26] <liviubero> to that question
[23:27] <liviubero> a user asked why is he not seeing the "Start" button on the screen
[23:27] <bodhi_zazen> please get to the point =)
[23:27] <liviubero> and how can he install stuff in Ubuntu
[23:27] <liviubero> ok
[23:27] <liviubero> I thought, I can explain the whole story
[23:27] <liviubero> and just complain
[23:27] <liviubero> about it
[23:27] <liviubero> the idea of my plead
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> you were banned for posting "rm -rf ~'
[23:28] <liviubero> yes
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> the response was
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> HEY I'm not a complete idiot I kno that rm -rf splodes my computer! Sheesh.
[23:28] <liviubero> this was not meant as malignant code
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> to which you said : Trust me, just remove your home folder
[23:28] <liviubero> what I've posted was by no means meant as malignant code
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> removing $HOME is quite destuctive and not the best way to solve the problem
[23:28] <liviubero> it was meant as a parody
[23:28] <bodhi_zazen> especially with very little information
[23:29] <Technoviking> liviubero: We take people posting harmful commands on the forums very seriously
[23:29]  * Bodsda did that to his home dir a while ago, not funnny
[23:29] <liviubero> I understand
[23:29] <liviubero> but this was a joke
[23:29] <Technoviking> liviubero: even as a joke
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> it was not funny
[23:29] <liviubero> and if read the context
[23:29] <liviubero> read the context and you understand
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> I am going to move on now liviubero
[23:29] <liviubero> i signed as Gill Bates
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> consider yourself heard
[23:29] <bodhi_zazen> and we can not act
[23:29] <liviubero> this was only a joke
[23:30] <liviubero> a parody
[23:30] <Bodsda> jokes aside, that code is harmful
[23:30] <Technoviking> liviubero: but can you gurentee everyone who read your post before it was jailed knew it was a joke
[23:30] <Bodsda> the Community Cafe Games subforum is not exempt from the forum CoC
[23:30] <liviubero> I know, but the context was clear enough
[23:30] <liviubero> I would not have posted real harmful code
[23:30] <Bodsda> ... you did
[23:30] <bodhi_zazen> Technoviking: any other comments or shall we move on ?
[23:31] <liviubero> as a parody given by someone who doesn't know that he's not using windows
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> liviubero: we heard you and I am sorry we can not make any decision today
[23:31] <jenkinbr> liviubero: Have you read the annoucement on top of almost evey forum page?
[23:31] <liviubero> you don't understant
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Report Post Icon
[23:31] <MootBot> New Topic: Report Post Icon
[23:31] <liviubero> you also didn't let me speak
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> liviubero: we can not act
[23:31] <bodhi_zazen> time to move on
[23:32] <liviubero> but I am not ready
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> others are waiting
[23:32] <liviubero> and it's about a banning
[23:32] <liviubero> not a button
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> jenkinbr: ?
[23:32] <jenkinbr> I am here
[23:32] <bodhi_zazen> you are up
[23:32] <jenkinbr> Thread: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1208698
[23:33] <jenkinbr> and...
[23:33] <bodhi_zazen> jenkinbr: I think the idea has merit we shall discuss it among the staff
[23:33]  * DougieRichardson Waves goodnight
[23:33] <jenkinbr> Post http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7664384&postcount=33
[23:33] <bodhi_zazen> I think the staff is aware and to be honest, the most useful thing right now is probably mockups
[23:34] <EDavidBurg> Why not use the old report button?
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7664384&postcount=33
[23:34] <MootBot> LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7664384&postcount=33
[23:34] <Technoviking> liviubero: You can discuss this more at the next FC meeting, but we are quite clear that malicilous commands are not welcome in any way, shape, or form, even as a joke.
[23:34] <bodhi_zazen> EDavidBurg: new users do not understand what it means, not enough words
[23:34] <jenkinbr> I can make more mockups as needed, if it helps
[23:34] <EDavidBurg> bodhi_zazen: you mean the old report button that says "report" on it?
[23:34] <EDavidBurg> And looks like the current quote button
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> EDavidBurg: this is the current image :
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]http://ubuntuforums.org/report.php?p=7664384
[23:35] <MootBot> LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/report.php?p=7664384
[23:35] <liviubero> Technoviking: what I mean is that you misunderstand my post; I should not be banned, but put under observation
[23:35] <jacob> I didn't like the report button right next to the quote button though -- people would submit replies as reports and it would clog up the RP forum
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> OOps
[23:35] <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]http://ubuntuforums.org/images/buttons/report.gif
[23:35] <MootBot> LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/images/buttons/report.gif
[23:35] <The_Toxic_Mite> jacob: +1
[23:36] <EDavidBurg> Before the current image, there was an image similar in style to the current quote button which said "report" on it. I am suggesting we revert to that as it seemed to work just fine.
[23:36] <Bodsda> liviubero, your time to discuss this has passed, please dont interrupt the current topic
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> EDavidBurg: basically that is the idea
[23:36] <bodhi_zazen> people would like to discuss the options =)
[23:36] <jacob> i think it's position is okay right now, but it does need a better image. there's one I liked a lot by The_Toxic_Mite (i think), but that's for the next meeting
[23:36] <jenkinbr> The idea is to have the report post Icon describe itself more
[23:36] <Technoviking> Bodsda: that is my fault, not liviubero
[23:36] <Joeb454> like it used to?
[23:37] <jenkinbr> I also liked The_Toxic_Mite's image better than mine
[23:37] <Bodsda> liviubero, apologies. sorry Technoviking
[23:37] <The_Toxic_Mite> jenkinbr: I didn't make an image?!
[23:37] <The_Toxic_Mite> LOL!
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> jenkinbr: and others : I will discuss with the staff and we may not need action by the FC at a meeting to change, I do not know
[23:37] <Bodsda> haha
[23:37] <The_Toxic_Mite> Anyway carry on.. ;)
[23:37] <jacob> The_Toxic_Mite: you had some mockup or something
[23:37] <bodhi_zazen> brb ..
[23:37] <jenkinbr> bodhi_zazen: ok
[23:37] <The_Toxic_Mite> jacob: I don't remember posting a mock up
[23:37] <jacob> but anyways. holding my comments for later.
[23:38] <jacob> The_Toxic_Mite: aah sorry it was Tipped OuT
[23:38] <jenkinbr> TTM: nevermind, I was confusing you with TippeD OuT
[23:38] <Technoviking> bodhi_zazen: maybe we can discuss this on the FC list, I think it is a good idea, if it would not mess up the forum stylesheets
[23:38] <The_Toxic_Mite> jacob, jenkinbr, I knew it lol
[23:39] <jacob> liked this image + positioning: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7668094&postcount=41
[23:39] <jenkinbr> jacob: +1
[23:39] <jenkinbr> That's the one I'm refferring to
[23:39] <The_Toxic_Mite> Tipped OuT's mock-up is good but what about visually impared people?
[23:39] <The_Toxic_Mite> Although..
[23:39] <jacob> also, you guys have a lot less buttons than I see. ;)
[23:40] <bodhi_zazen> +1 Technoviking
[23:40] <jacob> The_Toxic_Mite: contrast is pretty good imo.
[23:40] <The_Toxic_Mite> jacob: Yeah
[23:40] <The_Toxic_Mite> Hey KiwiNZ
[23:40] <liviubero> bye
[23:40] <jenkinbr> The_Toxic_Mite: The font is also small in the quote button and the edit button
[23:41] <EDavidBurg> Well, we could have had a quorum is matthew didn't leave.
[23:41] <The_Toxic_Mite> Yeah
[23:41] <EDavidBurg> if*
[23:41] <KiwiNZ> geetings
[23:41] <jenkinbr> KiwiNZ: hello!
[23:42] <Joeb454> hey KiwiNZ
[23:42] <Technoviking> greet Kiwi, alas we lost matthew
[23:42] <bodhi_zazen> welcome KiwiNZ
[23:42] <lukjad007> KiwiNZ !
[23:43] <The_Toxic_Mite> Hey lukjad007
[23:43] <The_Toxic_Mite> it's TTM
[23:43] <lukjad007> Hey The_Toxic_Mite
[23:43] <lukjad007> TIM, from which thread?
[23:43] <KiwiNZ> Still finding my way round this client sheesh
[23:43] <lukjad007> KiwiNZ Us xchat!
[23:43] <jenkinbr> Use irssi!
[23:44] <The_Toxic_Mite> ¬_¬ shouldn't we get back on topic now?
[23:44] <Snova> Now is probably a bad time to fiddle with it further...
[23:44]  * jenkinbr quits spamming IRC clients
[23:44] <KiwiNZ> What issues do we have
[23:44] <The_Toxic_Mite> jenkinbr: your cue?
[23:44] <The_Toxic_Mite> ^^
[23:44] <jenkinbr> Report post button currently
[23:45] <bodhi_zazen> back
[23:45]  * The_Toxic_Mite yawns - it's 11:45pm where he lives
[23:46] <The_Toxic_Mite> Hey bodhi_zazen
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> any other comments on the report button ?
[23:46] <jenkinbr> y
[23:46] <The_Toxic_Mite> bodhi_zazen: The mock ups or the current one?
[23:46] <EDavidBurg> bodhi_zazen: matthew is on the forums right now, if you wanted to get him in here we would have 4/7
[23:46] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]Launchpad Integration
[23:46] <MootBot> New Topic: Launchpad Integration
[23:46] <jenkinbr> I agree with letting you discuss it amungst the staf
[23:46]  * bodhi_zazen pm matthew
[23:47] <Joeb454> The_Toxic_Mite: it's not that late (I'm in the same TZ) - I have to be at work in 9 hours
[23:47] <The_Toxic_Mite> Laters guys - will the button be discussed next month?
[23:47] <bodhi_zazen> This is for the staff mainly
[23:48] <The_Toxic_Mite> ok
[23:48] <The_Toxic_Mite> See ya guys
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> I am suggesting we consider using LP to track staff
[23:48] <The_Toxic_Mite> ):P
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> terms of staff to be 2 years w/ option to renew
[23:48] <Joeb454> I wouldn't say terms personally
[23:48] <bodhi_zazen> More of less an automation of this process : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1223167
[23:48] <Joeb454> I'd just use it as a reminder - as discussed in that thread, actually :P
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> I am not sugesting we change our policies in any other way
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> Since it was my topic, that is all I have
[23:49] <Technoviking> bodhi_zazen: I think would be great to do this.
[23:49] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments ?
[23:49] <KiwiNZ> I have nothing
[23:50] <KiwiNZ> I think the report button if fine
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC] Team Reporting
[23:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  Team Reporting
[23:50] <bodhi_zazen> this was brought to my attention by nhandler who could not make the meeting
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> I am willing to help with this
[23:51] <Technoviking> me too,
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> although I do not mind assistance if anyone else is available
[23:51] <bodhi_zazen> thanks Technoviking
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> I think there was some small discussion on the mailing list
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> asking among the staff who is wiling to help
[23:52] <Technoviking> maybe we could make a team report thread in staff chit-chat, everyone could add to and copy/organize that to the wiki
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> perhaps a thread in the staff section then ?
[23:52] <bodhi_zazen> +1 Technoviking
[23:53] <Technoviking> make a new report thread evey month
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> Any other comments ?
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> we have one last topic and 5 or so min =)
[23:53] <bodhi_zazen> [TOPIC]UA Team
[23:53] <MootBot> New Topic: UA Team
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> [LINK]http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1224432
[23:54] <MootBot> LINK received: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1224432
[23:54] <bodhi_zazen> Any opinions from the staff on what to do with the UA team ?
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> otherwise I will ask the people I suggested for assistance and we can discuss it next time
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> Comments ?
[23:55] <bodhi_zazen> Other issues ?
[23:56] <Technoviking> none
[23:56] <bodhi_zazen> 5 min warning
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> Shall we end the meeting if there are no other topics ?
[23:57] <Technoviking> sound like a plan
[23:57] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you all for coming, sorry for the confusion
[23:58] <bodhi_zazen> Thank you all for the suggestions , they are appreciated
[23:58] <bodhi_zazen> #endmeeting
[23:58] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:58.