/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2009/07/30/#ubuntu-ops.txt

ubottumechtech called the ops in #ubuntu ()00:45
LjLsssh, you didn't notice me.00:49
elkyFlannel, did he PM you anyway?00:49
mechtechflannel: you here?00:50
Flannelmechtech: yeah, one second.00:50
mechtechok00:50
FlannelEscalade-tor-dor: How can we help you today?00:50
Escalade-tor-dorI just have a general question00:50
Escalade-tor-dorWill PM work?00:50
FlannelYou're here, go ahead and ask.00:51
Escalade-tor-dorIs that the IP address before a user's nick or is that just after you register a nick?00:51
FlannelEscalade-tor-dor: This channel is for operator related questions, for general IRC questions, there's ##freenode, or even #ubuntu-offtopic.00:52
Escalade-tor-dorAnd what if there are users sharing a connection but they got banned, causing me to get banned?00:52
FlannelEscalade-tor-dor: Then you come here and discuss it.00:52
mechtechthat is semi related to my issue00:52
Escalade-tor-doryeah, I have this roommate abusing the irc chats and got the connection banned from it. So I just contact ops in whatever channel that is?00:53
FlannelEscalade-tor-dor: Yeah, that's how you've gotta do it.00:53
Escalade-tor-dorthanks Flannel00:54
FlannelEscalade-tor-dor: If there's nothing else we can help you with here today, please part.  Thanks.00:54
Flannelelky: He's here now.  I've gotta get back to work, which is why I suggested here instead of a query.00:55
Flannelmechtech: Go ahead.00:55
mechtechok...someone was really rude, and abusive to me earlier...I wasn't all that concerned with their rudeness...I got some advice from jrib who told me to do /ignore on him...I did that00:57
mechtechthen they PM'ed me again...after the /ignore00:57
LjLfrom a different nick / different address?00:57
mechtechslo, I whoised them, and got some really confusing results...see here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/236174/00:58
LjLerr, that's the whois for jrib...?00:58
mechtechljl: no, it was still de...see new paste following00:58
mechtechsee...I selected DE, then hit the "whois" button...only once00:59
LjLwell, i can assure you if nothing else that jrib isn't that person :)00:59
mechtechdidn't even know about /whois yet...jrib told me about it00:59
mechtechI feel the same00:59
LjLa "DE" is currently online but not in #ubuntu00:59
mechtechso I can only assume that DE somehow spoofed his nick01:00
mechtechonto jrib01:00
FlannelIn some clients if you just do /whois, they'll do a whois for the person whos query window you're in.01:00
mechtechI can give you his info: n=DE@adsl-75-6-148-56.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net01:00
LjLno, i think either you misclicked without noticing or your client automatically whoises people you have messages open with01:00
LjLuhm, that doesn't seem to be the one currently online01:00
mechtechI was in the PM room from DE at the time01:00
mechtechusing xchat01:01
LjLi can pretty much assure you that the jrib whois is a genuine whois for jrib, even though i don't know why you obtained it01:02
mechtechhere is a transcript of the unsolicited, and offensive PM: http://paste.ubuntu.com/236241/01:03
mechtechLjL: I only whois'ed once, by pressing the whois button in the PM room with DE01:03
LjLwait01:04
mechtechAfter he said "I won't" I spoke with jrib who told me to use /ignore on him, so I did...everything else that follows is AFTER the /ignore01:06
Priceymechtech: This doesn't appear to be an ubuntu issue. If you would like I'll have a look at it and see what I can do for you?01:07
FlannelPricey: The guy from that paste appears to be the Escalade guy who was just in here.01:08
mechtechI don't understand...I was told by operators to take abuse issues here01:08
mechtechsee...I knew it was somehow related to his issue01:08
mechtechand, my big issue isn't being cussed at or even racism (I'm white, so being called that is irrelevant) ny big issue is that this guy was able to PM me AFTER the ignore by somehow riding jrib's ident01:10
Priceymechtech: At a guess, I would suggest that your client is behaving wierdly. Could you provide us with better timestamps on that log?01:12
Priceymechtech: alsot he timezone the logs are set to01:13
mechtechI don't know how...I did click "save log to file", but I have since closed the PM window from DE01:14
Priceymechtech: How long ago was this?01:15
mechtechmy client is xchat01:15
Priceyminuges or hours?01:15
mechtechabout 4 hours I think01:15
mechtechI have an infant son, so my interet time is sporadic01:15
mechtechI'm in CA...if that helps01:16
Priceymechtech: If I were you, I would join a random channel and test your /ignore by joining with a separate client.01:17
Priceymechtech: I will give the user a PM about what you received, but I'm not aware of any technical exploits they could have, or have used to fool your client.01:17
LjLmechtech, if you could satisfy my curiosity though, do you know if those messages from this user were elicited from anything? did you try to talk to him before that, did you mention anything involving piracy (since he talked about "pirate")...?01:18
LjLi'm just wondering01:18
mechtechI was asking in public regarding transmission message: "we have unchoked this peer, but they don't care"01:22
mechtechnot specifying any one user01:22
mechtechpricey: could I use pigin for that?01:23
Priceymechtech: you could make a second connection from within xchat even01:23
rwwHeads up: coleys in #ubuntu seems to think that randomly recommending sudo passwd root is a good idea.01:24
LjLand it isn't?!01:24
rwwFlannel: thanks :)01:24
mechtechPricey: just join another room, or what?01:24
Priceymechtech: sure, i don't think there's anything wrong with the network, so was just suggesting you have a play around somewhere with /ignore, like01:25
mechtechjust open another instance of xchat?01:25
Priceyyep could do that01:25
mechtechok01:25
mechtechnew server tab? channel tab? server window? or channel window?01:26
Priceymechtech: server tab01:27
mechtechok01:27
Priceymechtech: and join the same channel with both connections (so same channel beneath both server tabs)01:27
Priceysomething like ##-a0isdsiods01:27
elkyI suspect the person mechtech is referring to is * #ubuntu-offtopic n=DE adsl-75-6-148-56.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net irc.freenode.net Escalade-tor-dor H :0 DE01:31
LjLyeah01:31
LjLelky: and don't you suspect anything about another person who joined that same channel and asked something? :)01:31
elkyLjL, i suspected something right away when that happened01:31
elkybut nature and food then proved too tempting :P01:31
LjLbut, that didn't elicit the expected pm response from escalade-tor-dor01:32
ubottublind|melon|chit called the ops in #ubuntu ()01:36
* elky pre-emptively puts a bag of popcorn in the microwave.01:40
Priceywhy did the guy that calld ops arrive moments before that?01:40
Priceyi've heard of blind|melon|chit recently haven't i?01:40
elkyPricey, you're thinking paddy melon01:41
elkyjust got a k thx in pm from gingerbread01:41
FlannelPricey: blind melon was in here earlier (12 hours ago?)01:41
PiciPricey: I left you a log for my discussoin with blind|melon01:44
Priceybah sorry yes Pici, thanks01:45
LjLPici: you must have treated him badly, he's pissed :(01:47
PiciOn the contrary, I was most accomodating.01:47
PiciIs anyone in private message with linuxguy2009?01:48
PriceyMe.01:48
PiciPricey: Okay :)01:48
LjLPici: over time, i've learnt that not banning someone doesn't necessarily equate to being accomodating!01:48
LjLanyway, who's sircrazy too01:48
LjLit seems to me like we have a bunch of... trolls?01:48
FlannelBunch of edgy people, feeding off of each other at the moment, yeah.01:49
LjLwell, but i was thinking more like: bunch of people joining just at the "right" time, and knowing things such as to use ! ops, or to flame linuxguy, or things like that, a moment after joining01:49
Priceylinuxguy is a bit happier now01:51
PriceyPM ended nicely01:51
PiciVantrax: Howdy, how can we help you today?01:52
LjLlinuxguy was being flamed a bit gratuitously by some people who really had no business with the whole thing01:52
Vantraxno need for help sorry, it autojoined >.<01:52
PiciEr? Autojoined here?01:52
PiciOh well.01:52
LjLmaybe he was an op in 2003, who knows01:53
LjLi mean, it's my excuse too!01:53
Priceyblind|melon|chit on the other hand has gone down the attacking, "abusive op" route with me01:53
mechtechok guys...I'm back01:56
Priceymechtech: how goes?01:56
whatis this the channel with all the ops in it?01:56
mechtechapparently, I have no ignore command01:56
Priceywhat: /topic01:57
Priceymechtech: Aha! :)01:57
LjLmechtech: on xchat? i'm pretty sure you do01:57
LjLi don't really know the syntax, but i know you do01:57
Priceyodd, blind|melon|chit claiming i'm evading his ignore now01:57
whatmy friend told me to come here and tell u that pull_my_beeper is calling me a nigger and keeps pming me01:57
LjLwho's your friend?01:58
mechtechwell...I went to settings>advanced>user commands (where I had never been before) and there is no "ignore"01:58
LjLoh, what did i just say.01:58
Priceywhat: your friend is telling you to lie?01:58
Priceywhat: or is pull_my_beeper really doing that?01:58
whatcan i pste in here?01:59
mechtechLOL@ pricey01:59
whatpaste?01:59
Pricey!paste | what01:59
ubottuwhat: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at  http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from  command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic01:59
elkyit doesnt appear that anyone by that nick is online01:59
mechtechcould anyone tell me how to add ignore to my commands?02:00
LjLmechtech: "user commands" isn't the client's commands02:00
LjLyou have an /ignore command without it being in "user commands"02:00
mechtechok...lemme see02:00
LjLmechtech: try /ignore nickname!*@* ALL02:01
whathttp://paste.ubuntu.com/236267/02:01
elkyoh wait, does what mean Pull_My_Bleep?02:01
whatmy friend is on the phone with me he says he cant beleve a ubuntu person is doing that02:01
whatelky, ?02:01
Piciwhat: Do you have timestamps?02:02
what icant select them02:02
Priceywhat: What client are you using?02:02
whatxchat02:03
Priceywhat: Why does your ctcp response say irssi?02:03
whati dont know02:03
mechtechljl: ok...brb02:03
whatmy friend set p this comp02:03
Priceywhat: You may not have a direct connection to freenode in that case. I suggest you check your xchat to make sure it is connecting to irc.ubuntu.com on port 8001.02:04
whati think i'll just never use irc for support people are mean and i have my friend if i need help02:05
whatbye bye02:05
Priceywhat: Its a shame it has come to that. I wish you well in whatever you get up to from here on.02:06
Pricey@login02:07
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Picimechtech: Is there anything else we can help oyu with?02:08
stewHI02:08
mechtechyeah...how can I un-ignore someone?02:08
mechtechLOL02:08
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naliothmechtech: depends on your client02:09
mechtechxchat02:09
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mechtech2.8.602:09
* elky starts typing out !nickspam...02:09
LjLelky: Pricey starts typinh out /kill...02:10
Priceyelky: It was twice! :) And for a reason! :P Do you expect me to 'ugh' connect a separate client?02:10
elky:P02:10
mechtechhow to un-ignore?02:13
naliothmechtech: what client do you use?02:13
mechtechxchat 2.8.602:14
naliothmechtech: ask in #xchat, please02:14
mechtechok...thanks guys02:14
PiciSo... that was all odd.02:16
LjLslightly02:18
elkyit smells like tag-teaming to me.02:18
LjLhmhm02:18
PiciYes, haven't had that for a while.02:18
Priceythrash-: Have you tried using webchat.freenode.net ?02:51
thrash-im having problems joining #ubuntu02:51
nalioththrash-: again, join #ubuntu-ops and ask them about it02:52
thrash-hello?02:53
Flannelnalioth: erm..02:53
elkynalioth, please recite your bearings./02:53
naliothpepsi: can i help you?02:54
pepsino02:54
pepsican i lurk?02:54
Flannelpepsi: No02:54
nalioththen please respect our /topic here, pepsi02:54
pepsi:/02:54
Priceythrash-: You should check out webchat.freenode.net and use that instead of the client you're currently using. That will give you access to #ubuntu.02:54
pepsii havent even had a chance to read it yet!02:54
elkypepsi, it's not fair to people who are here for mediation.02:54
thrash-for some reason i cant join #ubuntu02:54
Priceythrash-: I think its also a slightly nicer client.02:54
Picithrash-: Java clients are banned from the channel, but you can use webchat.freenode.net instead (not java.freenode.net)02:55
thrash-oh02:55
thrash-okay02:55
FlannelIs that last thing from sebsebseb sass? or just me taking it that way?03:01
elkyarrogance, yes, considering his help usually isn't helpful. otherwise malicious, i doubt it.03:06
Amaranthdang, guess I didn't fix my connection issues after all04:13
Amaranththey seem to have been a lot less severe today though04:13
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* genii experimentally sips05:06
ubottusebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (Sassy1  and I think  Geoffrey2  for  channal promotion as well)05:09
* genii hands Flannel a coffee (or a beer if you prefer that instead)05:11
FlannelTea?05:12
geniiCan do :)05:12
* genii puts on a kettle05:12
elkyi'm going to make a wild guess that seb wasn't entirely innocent here?05:21
elkyFlannel, care to remove sassy1?05:23
FlannelDarn that scroll buffer.05:23
Flannelseb^3 was just being silly re: promotion05:24
Flannellast I checked, people don't "promote" -es when someone asks about it05:24
elkyseb^3 is good at jumping to conclusions and sparking troubles05:24
FlannelYeah05:24
FlannelSassy incoming, I imagine.05:25
stewsassy1 is probaby Magnus-swe05:25
elkystew, someone you're familiar with?05:25
stewvery much so05:25
stewgadmintools upstream05:26
stewthinks since he is an open source code author he is above roles05:26
Flannelyeah:05:26
Flannelyeah: 21:24 <Sassy1> Also for US-military forces ? .. Reconsider your move please05:26
stewelky: what have you coded.  why do you wnat to not let coders talk with their friends?05:26
Flanneler... thta was odd.05:26
stewyeah that is him05:26
Flannelwonder why the double yeah.05:26
FlannelDid anyone else see that?05:26
stewhe's on a us navy/army kick recently05:26
Flannel(see me, that is)05:27
* stew PMs05:27
FlannelI told him if he feels mistreated, he can come here and discuss05:27
elkystew, well he can stay away from our channels if he's going to be a tosser05:27
FlannelSeems to think it was a ban.05:27
stewelky: he's been a tosser in all these channels for a half a dozen years05:27
Flannel(and is effectively threatening to evade)05:28
stewyeah, he'll evade05:29
stewi've not really figure out how to get to him05:29
stewi've been trying for years05:29
elkystew, you probably wont, but standing back is only going to encourage others05:29
stewwhat do you mean by standing back?05:30
* genii waits for someone from ice.net to show up and start making trouble now05:31
elkystew, standing back and letting him continue without reprimand05:31
stewelky: if i were you i'd ban him on site yeah05:32
stewi've tried all manner of appealing to his intellect, to his sense of doing good05:35
stewi've threatened him05:35
stewbanned him from a dozen or so channels05:35
stewwritten 3 of his isps05:36
stewdon't know how to get through to this one05:36
elkyare these concurrent isps?05:36
stewyeah05:36
elkywhich?05:36
stewwell you see his current one05:37
ikoniaI'm done with blind|melon|chat - he's getting banned from #ubuntu now07:08
ikoniaafter all the crap yesterday and the abuse in pm - I lifted the ban, he tells me I'm on ignore and I can stick my apology up my fucking ass - as he won't be back07:09
ikoniahe comes back and starts making an issue out of being accidently kicked in the channel again07:09
ikoniathis guy can stay out07:09
ikoniahe's muted in the channel now with +b - not a mute07:10
ikonia(so others are aware)07:10
bazhangjust bad timing I would suggest; I saw him in another channel prior to the incident and he was having some short-temper/blunt responses to those trying to help him07:12
ikoniaread the full back scroll now and it is unaceptable from him07:12
ikoniabazhang: he is constantly like that - it is not bad timing07:12
ikoniabazhang: the reason I got him confused he he was the one who reported paddy_melon in here (no problem there) but caused almost as much of an issue as paddy_melon when he was in here07:12
bazhangaccidental kicks bans happen sometimes ikonia , most do not react accordingly07:12
ikoniait was an accident, %100 my fault, but he's using it as an excuse to be rude and feed people in the channel nonsense07:13
bazhangikonia, I concur. my meaning was worse than his usual07:13
ikoniaI put on my best polite hat in the channel and pm to him to express how sorry I was, and I know pici did the same and he didn't want an apologiy he just wanted an excuse to slate the channel/be rude07:14
bazhangI noticed his behaviour as being off long before this all took place, not only just prior, but earlier as well07:14
ikoniaI ignored it and the ban was lifted, then he's doing it again in the channel, telling people to not use the ops as they will get kicked07:14
ikoniahe knows it was an accident - it's just an excuse / attempt to provoke - so now he's out until he can get a grip on it07:14
ikoniaplus telling people to shove stuff up their fucking ass isn't needed07:15
bazhangsurely that is an overreaction/escalation07:15
ikoniano07:15
ikoniathat's his atttiude07:15
ikoniaor do you mean me banning him ?07:16
bazhangno, I mean his going all out with the language etc.07:16
bazhangat any rate, not meaning to interfere; just wanted to give my two cents07:18
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)07:20
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)07:20
ikoniabazhang: not at all,07:20
mac_vhi... can the ops add ubottu to #ayatana? currently it only has ubuntulog08:04
naliothubottu tell mac_v about botclone08:05
ubottumac_v, please see my private message08:05
mac_vnalioth: but I'm not an op at #ayatana ... i was wondering if Pici or any other op could add it ...08:08
naliothmac_v: ubottu is for Ubuntu channels08:08
mac_vnalioth: ah... i guess the ubuntulog presence had me misguided... nevermind08:09
mac_vthanx08:09
naliothmac_v: you are welcome to clone it there08:10
mac_vnalioth: the botclone link with ubottu gave redirects to the lp> https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak , I have done bot clone before ? could you give me another link? which has instructions?08:12
mac_vi have not*08:12
Myrttihmmm08:13
Myrttihttps://edge.launchpad.net/ayatana so I remembered correctly08:14
Myrttibut yeah, ubottu clone would probably serve best08:14
Myrttimac_v: basically it's a supybot, with the additions08:15
Myrttisupybot instructions should work 100%08:15
* mac_v goolges08:15
* mac_v googles*08:16
jussi01#supybot is also useful ;)08:18
mac_vah... :)08:18
mac_vbut can a non-op add a bot?08:19
Myrttisure, why not?08:19
mac_vok.... didnt know that... :)08:20
mac_vthanx guys...08:20
Myrttitechnically it's an irc client that is operated by programmable logic instead of a person08:20
Myrttiand you yourself can join channels, no?08:20
Myrtti:-)08:20
Myrttiof course it's nice to ask the operators for a permission first08:20
Myrttifor example #ubuntu main channels have a strict policy on bots08:21
mac_vMyrtti: several others were wondering how to add , and kept wondering that was it because we dont have permissions... so i was asking here its nice to know though...08:21
Myrttieach bot of course has their owners08:23
Myrttiyou can't add *ubottu* the bot, but you can add *a* bot08:23
mac_vMyrtti: ah... thats what i was looking for, ;p08:25
mac_v... Pici hangs out over there... so maybe he could confirm if ubottu can/cannot be added , does ayatana not qualify as an ubuntu channel?08:25
jussi01mac_v: ubottuis currently overloaded, but if it does qualify as ubuntu, then ubot2 or ubot3 may be suitable. for what purpose do you need it?08:33
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mac_vjussi01: just for bug #  , since we are used to just listing the bug numbers , and not the titles .08:34
mac_vdo those bots do that?08:34
jussi01nalioth: is ubot3 doing bug snarfing?08:35
naliothjussi01: i don't think so08:35
naliothif you mean "does it spit out bugs when you say b u g ######", no, i don't think it does08:35
mac_vyeah "to spit out the bugs"08:36
jussi01ok, dunno if ubot2 is doing that either then, but youll need to check with jpds.08:36
mac_vhehe... dont throw me out guys... i'll wait for jpds or Pici to confirm this08:37
jussi01Well Im off for lunch. see you all later08:42
christeljussi01: bit of an early lunch m'dear?08:52
topylii often eat lunch well before noon, because i'm a bad breakfast eater08:59
jpdsmac_v: That should do it.09:06
mac_v\o/ thanx jpds09:18
jussi01christel: nah, normal here - we usually eat lunch ~11 ish10:21
elkychristel, can you take a look in -women and see if these two seem familiar to you at all.10:23
christelcertainly, who am i looking for?10:24
blindmelonchitliYou have been kicked from #ubuntu by ikonia (when you can stop giving out your attitude to others you can rejoin the channel) <- Someone care to explain the meaning of this, being that I was idle for three hours when I came back and saw it?10:24
blindmelonchitliOr is this just ikonia doing his usual ban first, ask questions later routine?10:24
Mez /lastlog Mez10:26
blindmelonchitliNothing eh? First he kicks me by "accident," now he's not even trying to hide it any more. And who do I report it to, the IRCC? With which he has multiple friends sitting in positions?10:27
jussi01!appeals | blindmelonchitli10:28
ubottublindmelonchitli: If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page.10:28
blindmelonchitlijussi01: I've already tried that route and received no reply. Of course I've come here many times and also received no help whatsoever, now I'm being arbitrarily kicked by another power abusing op.10:28
blindmelonchitlijussi01: I'd like to know why.10:29
jussi01blindmelonchitli: The IRCC tries to deal with complaints in a fair and open manner10:29
jussi01blindmelonchitli: I havent seen any mail from you on the IRCC list10:29
blindmelonchitlijussi01: I'm guessing not, because the last e-mails I sent were under different names and for different issues. Because of the abusiveness of the ops here I assumed that this particular issue would be ignored, particularly when Pici is a sitting member and is "buddies" with ikonia.10:30
blindmelonchitliSure, I could report it to the IRCC, so they can sweep it under the rug and ignore it.10:30
jussi01blindmelonchitli: I think this can be sorted out, so please, bring your complaint to us, and lets be open about it. If a member of the IRCC is involved with the issue, then they will step back and let the rest of the council deal with it10:31
christelelky: got anything from before i joined?10:31
jussi01blindmelonchitli: but please, I havent seen the situation yet, so if you could email the IRCC list with full details, including logs, we can have a look for you.10:32
elkychristel, the xim_ twit joined and said he was there to pick up chicks :(10:32
jussi01blindmelonchitli: we attempt to be fair and impartial, and I will attempt to make sure that is the case here. However, we need to handle these things in a calm and clear way, so I ask that you are concise and to the point10:33
blindmelonchitlijussi01: There's that word, "attempt." I'm already being arbitrarily kicked out of the channel whenever ikonia's hitting that time of the month, where's the calmness and clearness in that? You want me to follow a procedure but you're not even following your own.10:34
jussi01blindmelonchitli: where am I not following proceedure?10:35
blindmelonchitlijussi01: I don't know, by allowing ikonia to kick anyone he doesn't like out of an official support channel maybe? Twice in one day?10:35
jussi01blindmelonchitli: You have asked to escalate this to the next level, I am telling you how tom do that.10:36
blindmelonchitlijussi01: Indulge me, what can I -expect- to happen if I do escalate it to "the next level?"10:36
jussi01blindmelonchitli: thats your allegation, and so, just as you would in a normal way, if you dont agree with the actions of the police, you take it to the court. so bring it tous so we can have a look.10:36
elkyblindmelonchitli, do you reject all escalations procedures (ie, call centers) just because supervisors know and work alongside their subordinates?10:37
blindmelonchitlielky: No, much like call centers I know that I'm never going to reach someone who could actually solve my problem here, and what's worse, if I -did- escalate it, nothing would happen anyway. You've all got each other's back and the IRCC members are active participants in the channel.10:38
blindmelonchitlijussi01: Have you ever heard the term "corrupt police officer?"10:38
jussi01blindmelonchitli: Please, reserve your judgement until you bring it to us - do not make wild accusations until you have some substance to back them up with.10:38
blindmelonchitlijussi01: I have two unnecessary kicks from a support channel, what has ikonia got?10:39
blindmelonchitliA +o, unfortunately for me, apparently.10:39
jussi01blindmelonchitli: yes. and that is why you escalate to us. just as you would go to a court with that police officer.10:39
jussi01blindmelonchitli: Until you do that escalation, there is little I or any of the IRCC can do.10:39
blindmelonchitlijussi01: Well back to the inconvenient question that you didn't answer yet -- what can I -expect- to happen if I do follow this song and dance procedure?10:40
blindmelonchitliAnything?10:40
elkyblindmelonchitli, jussi is not the only one on the council, he cannot speak for all the members, so that is not a fair question to ask.10:41
blindmelonchitliOr can I expect ikonia to just make up some crap in a fake log, all of you to nod your heads and say "yes, he sure deserved that?"10:41
jussi01blindmelonchitli: if the operator was in the wrong, you can expect an apology and a full reinstatement of you access to where you were banned.10:41
elkyblindmelonchitli, all our logs are stored where only the canonical sysadmin team can access them10:41
elky!logs10:41
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/10:41
blindmelonchitlijussi01: I'm not banned, I was just kicked. I suspect that was so ikonia wouldn't have any difficult questions to answer.10:41
jussi01blindmelonchitli: please, bring it to us through the appeals proccess so we can deal with this in a calm, clear and open manner.10:42
blindmelonchitlielky: Perhaps a naive question, those logs don't include private messages do they?10:42
elkyblindmelonchitli, i should hope not.10:42
blindmelonchitlielky: Ahh. So if, say, there was a discussion of why I was banned between two members in private, an IRC op and an IRCC member say, that wouldn't be recorded, yes?10:43
jussi01blindmelonchitli: and the escalation process is not a hard one, it is a simple as writing a clear eamil with your side of the story, so we can evaluate it.10:43
elkyi hope not, because some of these other ops and ircc people have been told my address and phone number before, i'd really hate to see that in the logs.10:44
blindmelonchitlielky: I'd imagine ikonia has some things he'd rather not show up in the logs either.10:44
elkyblindmelonchitli, i'm sure you have said things you dont want in logs either.10:44
blindmelonchitlielky: The difference is that I'll admit to them.10:44
blindmelonchitlielky: Oh yes, and the other difference is that I don't have a +o to arbitrarily kick people whenever my mood's off.10:45
jussi01blindmelonchitli: once again, please bring it officially to the IRCC, then we can take a look at it.10:45
blindmelonchitlijussi01: And beyond looking at it?10:45
jussi01blindmelonchitli: and after looking at it we can decide on a course of action.10:46
elkyblindmelonchitli, your attitude here is most distasteful. youv'e been told more times than I have digits to follow a procedure and what you are saying here will be considered as indication of character.10:46
blindmelonchitlielky: So it's already starting. I can tell how seriously this "complaint" to the IRCC is going to be taken already.10:46
elkyblindmelonchitli, it's not going to be able to be taken any way if you don't care enough to follow the procedure.10:47
elkythat's not for lack of want. it is a procedure. you need to follow it.10:47
blindmelonchitlielky: And you're sure that it's not going to be ignored because of my "distasteful attitude?" Which, I might add, is only the result of being pushed around by you people to the point that I've come here to complain about it?10:48
blindmelonchitliI didn't have a problem before ikonia kicked me twice.10:48
elkyblindmelonchitli, take responsibility for your own behaviour. Ikonia has not *forced* you to do anything here. You are a sentinent being.10:50
jussi01blindmelonchitli: Please, once again, bring it to the council and lets see what we can do about it.10:50
blindmelonchitlielky: Tell me what behaviour that I got kicked for and I'll take responsibility for it.10:51
elkyblindmelonchitli, i was not there. that's why you need to bring it to appeals so you can show me the evidence.10:51
blindmelonchitlielky: I already pasted the evidence when I joined the channel.10:51
blindmelonchitlielky: I've also been told that anything that I paste to the IRCC will be considered "hearsay"10:52
elkyblindmelonchitli, i dont have time to read up there. i need it in my inbox.10:52
jussi01blindmelonchitli: bring it to the IRCC as a official complaint and we can then deal with it.10:52
elkyblindmelonchitli, we have irc logs that are impartial. if we can match what you say to those logs, then we can see the circumstances.10:52
elkyjussi01, i have to run off to a meeting now, sorry :(10:53
elkyblindmelonchitli, please report it officially through the proceedure jussi has said dozens of times tonight so i can help you10:53
blindmelonchitliIf I thought you really wanted to help I might consider it. I'm a realist, I know how things work. Friends in the right places, you get to do whatever you want, blank check. Well, if ikonia has a problem with me complaining about him arbitrarily kicking me out of the channel maybe he shouldn't be doing it in the first place.10:56
blindmelonchitliTell your "friend" I said hello.10:57
elkyoh for crying out loud.10:57
jussi01right...10:57
bazhanglogs are updated every hour? daily?11:46
elkyi think closer to hourly11:49
bazhangthanks11:49
blind|melon|chitIt would seem that after filing a complaint to the IRCC I'm now, coincidentally, banned from #ubuntu completely. I assume that would be ikonia's doing?12:21
bazhangblind|melon|chit, hi12:21
blind|melon|chitI'm waiting.12:22
blind|melon|chitI've done nothing to be banned from the channel, so let's hear an explanation.12:22
bazhangblind|melon|chit, you were removed by accident12:23
blind|melon|chitbazhang: Twice?12:23
blind|melon|chitbazhang: Make that three times as I'm now currently banned12:23
blind|melon|chitAll times by ikonia, no less.12:23
blind|melon|chitThis is what I get for following your "procedures" is it?12:24
blind|melon|chitNo one has an answer for that one, eh? Just going to let him push me around and abuse his +o at will I assume? Real responsible of you, I can see why the IRCC are so well respected.12:26
jussi01blind|melon|chit: firstly, I want to ask you to please stop throwning accusations around, with nothing to back them up.12:27
blind|melon|chitjussi01: Who banned me from the channel?12:28
blind|melon|chitjussi01: Check and tell me who banned me.12:28
blind|melon|chitjussi01: As for your "nothing to back them up" I already sent an e-mail to the IRC council, it's not my fault if Canonical's servers aren't relaying your mail12:29
blind|melon|chitjussi01: Checked yet?12:30
jussi01blind|melon|chit: secondly, Demanding things in the way you are currently doing does not make it easy for people to help you out. I want to help, but you insist on throwing wild accusations.12:30
blind|melon|chitjussi01: Who banned me from the channel?12:31
blind|melon|chitjussi01: Why are you refusing to answer a simple question?12:31
jussi01blind|melon|chit: I am working at the same time, its sometimes hard to get to everything straight off.12:32
jussi01Now, if you look up how to use IRC I think you will find that you can list the bans in #ubuntu and check for yourself12:33
blind|melon|chitjussi01: You never intended to respond to this complaint in the first place, did you?12:33
jussi01blind|melon|chit: I certainly do intend to respond to it. Unfortunately I havent received the complaint yet. If you prefer, you can forward it directly to me and I will put it o the council list.12:34
blind|melon|chitI've just sent it again, under a different e-mail address. I'm guessing it's going to be ignored from that one too, but hey, I'm following your "procedure." The one I got banned for following.12:35
jussi01blind|melon|chit: my email is my irc nick at ubuntu dot com - feel free to forward to me also. i apologise for the technical issues.12:36
blind|melon|chitBy the way, I just checked the ban list, since you were unwilling to actually do it yourself. And what a surprise, ikonia is the one that banned me. What a COLOSSAL surprise.12:37
jussi01blind|melon|chit: I think you will find the ban is from before the conversation we had this morning.12:37
blind|melon|chitjussi01: So why have I been able to visit the channel without issue until now?12:37
blind|melon|chitWhere's the answers, hmm? Where's the accountability?12:37
blind|melon|chitThere is none.12:38
jussi01blind|melon|chit: because you have been using a dfifferent nick from the banned one.12:38
blind|melon|chitjussi01: Then explain why my nick was banned in the first place.12:38
blind|melon|chitBetter yet, let's hear from the power-nazi himself. Care to step up and explain yourself ikonia?12:39
jussi01blind|melon|chit: that is what the hearing from the IRC council is for. please let us look at that and the evidence and get back to you.12:39
blind|melon|chitjussi01: And how does that help me in the meantime?12:39
blind|melon|chitjussi01: In fact what guarantee is there that it will help me at all?12:39
blind|melon|chitikonia banned me from the channel when i was idle for three hours. Other ops were in the channel -- if I did something that bad they could have banned me much, much earlier.12:40
jussi01blind|melon|chit: just like in the police/court case there is a period of waiting until justice - whichever decision is made is served.12:40
blind|melon|chitBut no, it was ikonia alright, three or four hours after the fact.12:40
blind|melon|chitjussi01: Stop comparing yourself to the police. The police are actually accountable for their actions, ikonia is not.12:40
elkyPlease do not compare a mere irc removal to the massive loss of life that political regime caused.12:41
blind|melon|chitelky: And what the hell are you talking about exactly?12:41
jussi01blind|melon|chit: he is accountable to the IRC council, and the IRC council to the CC. Therefore, we will invstigate and get back to you.12:41
elkyblind|melon|chit, you called someone a nazi. That sickens me.12:41
blind|melon|chitelky: Well that's a shame. People censoring me for no palpable reason sickens me, but I have to put up with it.12:42
elkyblind|melon|chit, censorship would be if you were unable to speak *anywhere*. Censorship alone does not compare to death/torture camps or genocide.12:43
DavieyWouldn't it be really good to see some all round, grown up resolutions.. Less point scoring, no insults.. but constructive chat, all round.12:43
blind|melon|chitDaviey: Yes, it would be nice. Unfortunately I don't have that option available because IKONIA BANNED ME FROM THE CHANNEL.\12:43
blind|melon|chitelky: All a matter of perspective. You're free to your opinion, I'm free to mine.12:44
Davieyblind|melon|chit: you aren't helping things really.  I can see you are angry, and perhaps you have reason to be.  But shouting and using insults, really isn't constructive12:44
elkyblind|melon|chit, if you're free to yours, then censorship is really not an appropriate descriptor.12:44
gnomefreakCoC explains it or is it the rulesas i recall.12:44
blind|melon|chitelky: Ahh, so now you're coming out with the insults too, eh? I can see you'll be backing ikonia from here on in.12:45
elkygnomefreak, neither encourage harassment.12:45
blind|melon|chitDaviey: I followed the official procedure recommended here and I'm banned from the channel as of this morning.12:45
gnomefreakelky: no but they DO NOT encourage it, says "dont do it" (paraphrase)12:46
elkyblind|melon|chit, if you insist on striking down everyone who is trying to help you before they get the chance, don't be surprised if there's nobody left to actually enact the help.12:46
jussi01blind|melon|chit: once again. It seems that the email has not arrived and there is some issue with the list. As the list admin is not available, could I please ask you to send the email to me and I will make sure it reaches the other council members.12:46
blind|melon|chitelky: Don't worry, I know whose side you're on, I don't expect any help from you.12:46
bazhangPricey, ping12:46
elkyblind|melon|chit, i dont even know which side i'm on yet, so i fail to believe that you could possibly know.12:46
blind|melon|chitelky: No, you just fail. And if you don't have anything constructive to add to the "discussion" then why are -you- speaking to me, hmm?12:47
jussi01blind|melon|chit: ok, thank you, I have now received it. If you could please part the channel until we have an opportunity to review your case. we will respond via email.12:47
blind|melon|chitjussi01: Really now? I've heard that one before. I suppose in the meantime ikonia gets to gloat and polish off his +o for when he arbitrarily bans me again.12:48
elkyblind|melon|chit, quit being a bully to people who are trying to help you.12:49
jussi01blind|melon|chit: now now, you should know better by now than to throw around accusations like that.12:49
blind|melon|chitelky: Quit bullying people who need help.12:49
jussi01blind|melon|chit: as I said, please part the channel while we take a look at it.12:49
blind|melon|chitjussi01: Yeah yeah, I know the drill, leave the room so that you can sweep it under the rug, I know how things work around here.12:50
elkyfor crying out loud. does the community council even *realise* we get this amount of absolute hostility?12:51
gnomefreakdid he/she do anything to help himself?12:52
ikoniajussi01: you there12:52
ikoniajussi01: apologies for missing that show, I've just got back from a meeting12:52
jussi01ikonia: pm me please12:53
ikoniaI removed him from the channel because he was telling people not to use the ops comment12:53
ikoniasure12:53
elkygnomefreak, emailed us something that appears to be missing some part of the story12:55
gnomefreakelky: thanks12:55
PiciUgh. Lots of stuff in my away log. Time to read some scrollback.12:56
* elky looks at -uk and shudders13:00
elky"the nakedcomputers site promotes nakedness" just... ugh13:01
bazhangfinally got mina pointed to #ubuntu-ir13:02
Priceybazhang: pong13:16
bazhangPricey, user hthd came into #ubuntu yesterday and immediately used the f-bomb with your name, took him to PM and he continued so removed / banned him13:22
bazhang* [hthd] (n=dasd@60.54.179.54): saSASD13:22
bazhangseems perhaps he was ban evading/k-line evading13:23
bazhangwas going to clear ban list, just wondered if he is an issue generally13:24
bazhangerr not the entire ban list (just my entries)13:25
Priceybazhang: thanks for the heads up13:26
bazhangokay13:27
jussi01Jost a reminder all to look at and comment on this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil/IRCteamproposal14:11
bazhanghow could we have missed :)14:11
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)14:13
PiciEr. no,.14:14
jussi01bazhang: I havent had many comments, so Id appreciat opinions14:15
bazhangjussi01, okay, sorry for the joking14:15
Picijussi01: do you have a moment for a bot question?14:19
bazhangchecked that link; was there something other than the +v issue we should give an opinion on? jussi0114:26
jussi01bazhang: all the issues listed there...14:27
jussi01bazhang: scope of the irc team14:27
jussi01bazhang: and the implementation of and use of +v14:27
ikoniajussi01: how do you want feedback, attend the meeting, or mail ?14:27
bazhangjussi01, eligibility then14:27
jussi01ikonia: on the wiki and in the meeting14:27
ikoniaooh, on the wik direct, cool14:28
jussi01bazhang: read it. all the info is there14:28
ikoniaI meant to ask last night when you first posted14:28
bazhangjussi01, I did, twice; was asking for clarification14:28
ikoniajussi01: did you unban blind|melon14:28
jussi01no.14:29
jussi01why?14:29
ikonia14:25 <blind|melon|chit> By the way, I'm back in Ubuntu now. So much for your pathetic, unjustified IP ban,14:29
ikonia(I keep getting pm'd by him)14:29
ikoniaI've not responded/instigated anything14:29
ikoniainitiated sorry14:29
jussi01ok, just dont respon, but thanks.14:29
ubottuIn #ubuntu-mozillateam, asac said: !multisearch is http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/archives/162-What-is-this-Multisearch-thing-in-my-Firefox-about.html14:44
gnomefreakim adding it14:44
gnomefreakcan someone add asac to bot again. its giving him a wrong hostmask error when using @login14:47
ubottuIn #ubuntu-mozillateam, asac said: !snack is <reply> not something to drink14:47
bazhanghehe14:48
gnomefreakthat last one was a game :)14:48
gnomefreaki cant remember what it is14:48
blind|melon|chitWell then, I guess I don't need to wait for the IRCC after all! Looks like I can get in the channel even despite being banned for no reason. Again. It's always a good thing when you can solve your own problems rather than wait for people who don't care to solve them for you, isn't it?15:05
blind|melon|chitThanks ever so much for all of your "help" folks. Especially you, ikonia. Your abuse of power has given me good enough reason to change identities so that you can no longer exact your brand of "justice" any more.15:06
elkywhoever just did that, you rock.15:10
ikoniaha ha ha15:15
ikoniafunny elky15:15
bazhangixbal, how may we help you15:18
ixbaloh, i don't need help. i'm doing just fine.15:21
bazhangixbal, please dont idle here if you have no immediate issues, thanks15:21
ixbaloh, i do have an immediate issue. i solved it though, it's all good.15:22
elkyixbal, we prefer that people who have to come here to discuss issues to not feel like they're being told off in front of an audience of peers.15:23
Piciixbal: This is #ubuntu-ops, do you have an issue? See /topic for details as well.15:24
ixbalPici: i have a feeling you're responsible for my particular issue, but hey...we'll let it slide, i found my own solution like i said15:24
ixbalelky: sorry, am i telling someone off?15:24
Piciixbal: Er? I am?15:25
elkyixbal, not at all. however sometimes we have to tell people off for their behaviour, and it's not nice for them to feel like they have other chatters watching them15:25
ixbalPici: oh yes. hence why i wouldn't ask you for asssistance, though i do appreciate the attention.15:25
ixbalelky: if you're uncomfortable with criticizing people behind their backs, perhaps you should do it in private messages15:28
ikoniaixbal: what do you want in this channel ?15:28
elkyixbal, you seem to be twisting my words around. please don't be so rude.15:28
ixbalikonia: ahh, i figured you'd pipe up sooner or later. how's it going, ikonia15:29
ikonia!staff | ixbal is blind|melon kline dodging15:29
ubottuixbal is blind|melon kline dodging: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild or stew, I could use a bit of your time :)15:29
bazhang?15:29
ixbal?15:30
ixbalwhat the hell is a kline15:30
bazhanguhm15:30
elkyixbal, the thing that Freenode Staff made you depart on your rogers connection.15:30
ikoniaixbal: what do you want in this channel15:30
ixbalelky: my rogers connection? who's paying the bill on that one, i'm with comcast15:31
ixbalikonia: just to see the inner workings of the whole ubuntu irc community. curiousity.15:31
ikoniaixbal: this channel has a no idle policy so please leave unless you have something you need from this channel15:32
ixbalikonia: now what do you  want with me, and why are you accusing me of being someone else?15:32
Mamarok!idle | ixbal15:32
ubottuixbal: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.15:32
bazhangixbal, please respect the channel topic15:32
ixbali'm not idling, i'm looking for answers to baseless accusations.15:32
Piciixbal: This channel is logged at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ if you want to see how we operate, but we ask that you not idle in the channel needlessly.15:32
ixbalPici: as i said i'm not idling. i want to know why i'm being treated rudely by one of your ops for no reason, why i'm being told that i'm someone i'm not.15:33
ikoniaixbal: ok - your not him, my apologies15:33
Piciixbal: Well who are you then?15:33
ikoniais there anything else ?15:33
ixbalikonia: i take it you have a personal issue with this "person?"15:33
ikonianope15:33
ixbalPici: why is my identity any of your business?15:33
ikoniaixbal: and if your not him, thats not your concern, is there anything else you need ?15:34
stewixbal: please see PM.  it seems there is confuse that perhaps I can help with?15:34
Picistew: thank you.15:34
ikoniathanks15:34
ixbalikonia: you're sure about that, are you? strictly professional?15:35
ikoniaixbal: I'm not discussing other people with you. If you have nothing else, please leave the channel15:35
ixbalikonia: you're rather pushy are't you? everyone else in here is polite, someone piss in your corn flakes this morning?15:35
ikoniaixbal: please leave the channel if you have nothing you need from the operators team15:36
bazhangdont know why they target ikonia , I'm much meaner15:39
Picistew: Thanks for trying15:40
Mamarokbazhang: you shouldn't15:40
geniiIt's the curtness of replies, I suspect.15:40
elkybazhang, because ikonia is harder to break.15:40
stewwell that should be the last we see of that guy for a while!15:41
stew(ephasis on should)15:41
elkyheh15:41
bazhangthanks stew15:42
elkyhe can come back and blend in all he wants. i somehow doubt he'll succeed though.15:42
jussi01stew: I love you, you make my world so much better.15:43
PiciWell, stew is the perfect guy :P15:43
stew:)15:43
elkyikonia, for the record, what was it he said to you in PM that made you remove him15:43
stewjussi01: that's a nice compliment, thanks,  I'm happy i can help :)15:44
* jussi01 wants to have a party now...15:44
ikoniaelky: stick it up your fucking ass, and the like15:48
ikoniaelky: logs available15:48
ikoniaand pici15:48
ikoniahe was also telling people in #ubuntu earlier that don't talk to the ops they are corrupt etc etc, which is why I pub +b on him today as it's clear he just wants to cause an issue15:48
elkyikonia, ok, this is of course, all stuff he omitted.15:49
ikoniaof course15:49
ikoniaelky: he was the guy who reported paddy_Melons and bernaard then sat in here baiting them while we tried to clam them down15:49
ikoniathe guy who refused to leave15:49
elkyah15:50
jussi01hehe, I just read this by itsself: [17:48:00] <ikonia> elky: stick it up your fucking ass, and the like15:50
elkyjussi01, haha15:50
ikoniajussi01: that was a private converation, no need to post it in here ;)15:50
Pici:O15:50
ikoniaapologies, naughty15:50
bazhanghaha15:50
jussi01ikonia: you just said that...15:50
elkyikonia, do the hostmasks and so forth match up?15:50
ikoniaelky: no, but many other things did15:51
PiciThats why he kept going on about ikonia asking him to not join -ops, etc.15:52
elkydo you have time to map the stuff out so it makes sense to us?15:52
PiciBut I'm supposed to be sitting out because somehow I'm involved. So I will ;)15:52
ikoniaelky: of course15:53
ikoniaPici: you're corrupt anyway15:53
ikoniaelky: what format would you like ?15:54
Piciikonia: interpretive dance15:54
ikoniaI'll get coryographing15:54
Piciikonia: Good timing15:57
elkyand i should start bedographing15:59
jussi01elky: blanket drill?15:59
elkyjussi01, yup16:00
jussi01and with the realisation I am starting to sound like a broken record, please all have a look at and comment on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil/IRCteamproposal16:04
jussi01Its fine to comment on the wiki in the spaces provided.16:04
jussi01This is going to be discussed at the IRCC meeting on sunday, so would be nice to have as much input as possible16:05
ikoniajussi01: I'll be there16:05
Mamarokwhat time is that meeting again?16:05
jussi01Also, the rest of the agenda for the meeting is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/IrcCouncil/MeetingAgenda - feel free to add things if you feel necessary16:05
* Mamarok has early morning in memory16:05
geniijussi01: Do you have to be a member of IRC Team ?16:06
jussi01Mamarok: 0700 utc16:06
jussi01genii: certainly not16:06
ikoniagenii: they are all corrupt anyway16:06
* ikonia maps a short cut key for that16:06
geniiAh, OK. I think I've been on the pending approval list for...dunno exactly how long now16:06
ikoniagenii: me too16:06
ikoniaI've taken the hint16:07
geniiHeh16:07
jussi01genii: ikonia thats precisely why the first item on the proposal page is there16:07
ikoniajussi01: I'm only teasing !16:07
* jussi01 slaps ikonia around with a large trout16:08
Mamarokwhich would be a salmon, then16:08
* Mamarok hides16:08
jussi01ikonia: btw, if you havent already, you can probably remve blind melons ban in #u16:08
* jussi01 throws a chunk of sloppy salmon at Mamarok16:09
Mamarokouch, that hurt :(16:09
ikoniaahh yes16:14
Picijussi01: added my comments.16:16
jussi01nice, thanks16:16
PiciBy the way, does anyone know how to subscribe to an entire subsection of the wiki, instead of just subscribing to individual pages?16:17
nhandlerPici: Use a Regex, like MOTU/.*16:20
Picinhandler: Ahh.. I didn't even realize that they were listed like that in user preferences.  I was just clicking the 'subscribe' button on each page16:21
* Pici fixes16:21
nhandlerPici: Using a regex like that also has the benefit of subscribing you to future pages that might be created that match that regex16:22
jussi01oooh, its an nhandler16:28
TwoToneSpiritHello ops.  I was banned from #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu+1 last night because my connection was unstable.  I think it was due to a thunderstorm.  Can I be unbanned?16:37
ikoniaTwoToneSpirit: sure16:37
Picisurely.16:37
ikoniaTwoToneSpirit: all done16:38
PiciDone in -offtopic as well.16:38
TwoToneSpiritThanks ikonia :-)16:38
ikoniathanks Pici16:38
TwoToneSpiritThanks pici :-)16:38
TwoToneSpiritSo this is the channel where the ops of each ubuntu channel hang out obviously?  What do you all talk about in here?  Have you like personally met the Koala?16:39
jussi01TwoToneSpirit: this sint really  a chat channel. read the topic :)16:42
jussi01also16:42
jussi01!idle | TwoToneSpirit16:43
ubottuTwoToneSpirit: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.16:43
TwoToneSpiritAhh, I see.  Well thank you for briefly descending from Mt. Olympus to assist a mere mortal.  :-)  See you around.16:44
mneptokikonia: re: IRCC meeting ... i'm traveling to Santa Fe on Sunday, and cannot attend.16:50
jussi01to santa fe or in a santa fe?16:51
jussi01:P16:51
jussi01mneptok: be sure to leave your comments on the wiki then16:53
ikoniamneptok: represent17:01
jussi01ikonia: pm17:15
* Pici sighs17:30
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ubottuIn ubottu, cygnus_ said: hey I tried this and sound is enabled18:32
Garysorry for that nicksetup spam, I should have manually typed it (due to "the freenode way" bit at the end)18:56
Pici*gasp*18:56
jussi01Gary: you suck :P18:58
Garyjussi01: very well they say18:59
PiciUgh, what is it with people today?19:04
jussi01Pici: ????19:05
Picijussi01: I get called big brother because I address an IRC related issue in #kubuntu19:06
PiciWell, 'bog brother', but I think that was the intention :P19:07
ikoniaPici: your having my week from last week19:17
topylihrm. can we conclude that sebsebseb is a troll? :\19:19
PiciHes a misguided helper at times.19:20
topylihe's "educating" people with strange ideas about free software, and afaik he should know better19:20
Picitopyli: Where? -ot?19:20
topyliyes19:20
topyliPici: i'm not suggesting we should remove him. just wondering :)19:22
Picitopyli: me either.19:24
ikoniaprod him19:27
ikoniahe normally responds19:28
Picitopyli was prodding him in -ot19:28
ikoniaahh19:28
Piciikonia: to be fair, freenode.net doesn't really list all of the channels.20:09
ikoniadoes tell you how to use it20:09
ikonia@bansearch coleys20:21
ubottuNo matches found for coleys!n=coleys@unaffiliated/coleys in any channel20:21
Piciikonia: I believe Flannel gave the 'don't suggest it unless you're going to be here 24/7 to support it' talk.20:22
ikoniaI'll sort this in pm now20:22
jussi01ikonia: bansearch in pm remember20:25
ikoniaI know I know, I had it aliased and lost it, so I keep slipping up20:25
PiciI setup an alias for /bansearch that does just that20:26
ikoniagoing to eat, he's not responding to pm - and I suspect he's going to suggest setting the root password again20:26
ikoniaPici: I did have it, but trashed my config by accident20:26
ikoniacan someone keep an eye on him in #ubuntu make sure he does stop20:26
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ikonia#nicwe job flood bots21:12
mneptok!staff - coordinated attack in #u21:12
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)21:12
mneptokbah21:12
ikonia?21:12
mneptok!staff21:12
ubottuHey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild or stew, I could use a bit of your time :)21:12
mneptok^^^^^^^^21:12
ikoniawhy didn't that work21:12
ikoniaahh21:12
geniiOuchies21:13
jussi01pipes peoples, pipes21:14
ikoniaflootbots are a great bit of code, it's cool how developed they have become21:15
ikoniacredit to them21:15
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)21:21
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ikoniaanother bot again21:21
ikoniaall from the same network21:22
ikonia!staff | mass join in #ubuntu from this network straight after an attack abo.wanadoo.fr21:22
ubottumass join in #ubuntu from this network straight after an attack abo.wanadoo.fr: Hey nalioth, jenda, rob, SportChick, seanw, Dave2, Christel, tomaw, Gary, Vorian, PriceChild or stew, I could use a bit of your time :)21:22
ikoniasame proxy.ad domains from earlier too21:23
oly562i have an issue with one of your ops in #ubuntu22:08
oly562ikonia22:08
ikoniaplease state22:09
oly562please check the logs and see how this jerk badgered me for info that is not required22:09
oly562any tech with knowledge of networkin knows i gave all the info yet acted like a punk until forcing me to talk the way i did. if i were in his position i would have just moved forward, and not act in such a childish manor22:10
oly562and further more i feel this was a personal attack from previous experiences with it/he/she22:10
ikoniaoly562: you where warned multiple times about your attitude towards the people helping you.22:10
oly562you were acting like a dick22:11
oly562period22:11
ikoniaI've never had any previous experiences with you, unless you are using another nick name, so I'm not sure what your talking about22:11
oly562treating me like i am clueless22:11
Seeker`I believe that the information that ikonia requested was not excessive or unnecessary22:11
oly562Seeker`: read the log22:11
oly562and my replies22:11
oly562i gave him the info22:11
Seeker`I dont need to, I was there22:11
oly562at last 10x22:11
oly562well, then you obviously could have helped22:11
Seeker`he was asking you for simple information and you would not respond in a sensible fashion22:11
oly562no22:11
oly562he was not22:11
oly562he was being a punk about it22:11
oly562and your a punk for siding with him22:12
oly562i gave the info. 10x22:12
ikoniaahh hang on - I see you have been banned from #ubuntu channels / kicked from #ubuntu channels multiple times22:12
ikoniait appears you have a long history of bad behaviour in the channel22:12
oly562192...71 and .71, .103 are stand notation.22:12
oly562it appears you a dick22:12
Seeker`am I correct in thinking that anyone that doesn't side with you will be labelled a "punk"?22:12
oly562anyone else in here, have a clue as to what is going on22:12
ikoniaoly562: while you have this attitude this conversation is over, if you wish to discuss the ban in a polite manner come back when you are ready22:13
oly562just because you have a little power, i.e. ability to boot people, doesn't mean anything to me22:13
ikoniaoly562: unless you can control your language - there is no point discussing it at this time22:13
oly562either you know computing or you do not, if you do, help out, if not, go somewhere else and practice your attitude22:13
oly562fuck you ikonia22:13
ikonia!ops | oly56222:14
ubottuoly562: Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, , elky,  imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso,  PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, Flannel or ikonia!22:14
oly562i dont need your help22:14
ubottuikonia called the ops in #ubuntu-ops (oly562)22:14
ikoniaoly562: ok - then leave the channel please22:14
ikoniathank you22:14
ikoniaSeeker`: thank you also22:14
Seeker`didn't do much22:14
ikoniasee #freenode22:20
ikoniaanother one who wants the appeal process22:20
GaryI want popcorn22:21
ikoniahello MTughan what's up ?22:24
MTughanWatching for someone who was banned in #ubuntu apparently.22:24
MTughanHe's making a stink about it in #freenode22:24
ikoniaMTughan:I'm aware of him, this channel isn't used for watching though22:24
ikoniaMTughan: this channel is only here if you need something,22:24
MTughanOkay.22:25
naliothso who's got the link to the resolution process?22:25
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ikonia!appeal22:26
ubottuIf you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page.22:26
ikoniathat one,22:26
ikonia?22:26
ikoniaor the actual resolution process22:26
ikonia!resolution22:26
ubottuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution22:26
ikoniaha ha, not that one22:26
oly562ok... so22:28
ikoniaok, before we start please try to control your language/name calling22:28
nalioththis time, can we leave the name-calling out of it?22:28
ikoniathen we can progress calmly - without issue22:28
oly562sighs....22:28
oly562fine22:28
oly562my issue? is what i want help with22:29
ikoniaI understand what you want help with22:29
oly562some clues. something other than what i experience each time i go in to ubuntu22:29
oly562im not a NOOB22:29
ikoniahowever how you go about getting the help is not a good approach in the channel22:29
oly562get that straight22:29
ikoniano-one said you where new22:29
oly562i did 10 years of phone support, and you sounded like the guy next to me, messing with callers, asking like that. i said it doesnt apply here22:30
ikoniathat doesn't apply here22:30
oly562192...0/24 is what it is22:30
ikoniaI was asking you to confirm your IP addresses - you refused to do so22:30
oly562you do NOT need to know my lan scheme22:30
oly562even though i told you22:30
oly562192...0/24 is what it is22:30
ikoniaI do to progress the situation I believe you had22:30
oly562whats your point? where are you going with this22:30
oly562everything is STANDARD dude22:31
ikoniaI'm not helping you here - I'm trying to explain why you have been banned - again, from the channel22:31
oly562good greif22:31
oly562here we go again22:31
oly562ok, so what will you do next to trbsht the issue22:31
ikonianothing22:31
oly562exactly22:31
ikoniaI'm not troubleshooting in here22:31
oly562so i asked other people22:31
oly562and YOU kept repeating your question,, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over, over and over,22:31
ikoniaI'm trying to explain why you keep being banned from #ubuntu and why this current situation occured22:31
oly562so nalioth little help here22:32
oly562you see this op is not helpful at all22:32
ikoniaoly562: I was asking you to confirm you ip addresses (as where other people) to make a note of the networking to work it out,22:32
oly562you see that 192...0/24 is what it is... yet this guy will not move forward, he can not think outside the box22:32
ikoniaoly562: that is not the ip address of a working box - that is your network range22:33
ikoniaoly562: I was asking for the ip of a known working box, which is your windows box22:33
oly562i dont care what other people were saying, they were just repeating what you said, and i still feel that you dont know what to do next. you simiply could say,, ok, try this or that, or check this or that,,, but your messing with me. ANYONE else with experience would tell you the same22:33
oly562i even pasted my info again22:33
ikoniaoly562: I wanted to check it out - hence asking for your ip22:33
oly562with all appropriate info22:33
oly562whatever dude22:34
oly562your boring the heck outta me22:34
ikoniaok, well, we can leave it there then22:34
Seeker`if you are bored, feel free to leave22:34
oly562nalioth: do i really need to explain anything more22:34
naliotholy562: he did make a valid request22:35
ikoniaoly562: as I said, your attitude and language is the reason you keep being banned from #ubuntu, if we can work that out, I don't think there will be anymore problems22:35
naliothwhether you wanted to answer him or now is your choice, but the public haranguing is not acceptable22:35
naliotholy562: talk to me in here, please22:36
oly562nalioth: so...22:37
oly562i understand that pm's are not fun. my bad22:37
oly562like i said i dont have boot power22:37
oly562so is someone going to help out with my issue?22:37
oly562its not that hard is it?22:38
ikoniaoly562: if you want to re-gain access to #ubuntu we need to just clam down how you talk to people and your language22:38
ikoniaoly562: this isn't a support channel - you have lost access to the support channel22:38
ikoniaoly562: if we can work on your attitude/language we can stop this happening in future22:38
oly562who is the top person in this room22:38
ikoniais that possible ?22:38
oly562who is root in this room22:39
ikoniathere isn't a "root" of the room22:39
oly562yes there is22:39
ikoniaoh, ok - then, please feel free to talk to root22:39
oly562you do NOT all have root access, you have privilege access22:39
oly562there is only one user 022:39
oly562who is it? for ubuntu.freenode22:40
ikoniaoly562: nalioth is an experienced member of both #ubuntus operating team and freenode staff, he's probably the most experienced user in the room he's active22:40
ikonia"who" is active sorry22:40
oly562in the future, ikonia i do not want to hear from you ever again22:40
popeyoly562: this isn't doing you any favours.22:40
ikoniaoly562: then we can't progress the issue,22:40
oly562not you and i, no22:40
oly562i dont ask you anything you dont ask me anything22:41
oly562simple22:41
oly562i dont need your kinda help22:41
ikoniaoly562: I'm sorry - but you don't dictate the rules22:41
oly562however, there are people in freenode that can, you are not one of them22:41
naliothubottu: tell oly562 about appeal22:41
oly562you have shown your worth22:41
ikoniafreenode don't set the #ubuntu channel policies22:41
ubottuoly562, please see my private message22:41
oly562so nalioth you want to take a stab at my original issue?22:42
ikoniaoly562: this is not a support channel22:42
naliotholy562: not here, no.22:42
oly562in pm?22:42
oly562just a few questions22:42
oly562ubuntu related22:42
oly562then i will be on my way22:42
ikoniaoly562: please take your support requests out of this channel22:43
oly562nalioth: see my point22:43
oly562im asking for pm, which is NOT in a channel22:43
oly562good grief22:43
naliotholy562: this is not a support channel, or a channel to request support22:43
oly562ic22:43
naliothremember what i said about channel guidelines22:44
oly562so you can't help a fellow nixian,,,22:44
ikoniaoly562: this channel is not here for you to make support arangments,22:44
ikoniaoly562: if you do not wish to discuss your ban - please leave the channel and use the rest of freenode22:44
ikoniaoly562: not in this channel no22:44
ikoniaoly562: I'll try to make it clearer. This channel is to discuss your ban - no support22:44
ubottuIn ubottu, LjL said: !unforget oldreleaes22:45
ubottuIn ubottu, LjL said: !ljl is sorry because he sometimes forgets he doesn't have access and bothers you22:45
ikoniaoly562: is there anything else you need at this time from us ?22:46
ikoniaoly562: please don't send me pm's22:48
ikonia!idle | oly56222:48
ubottuoly562: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.22:48
ikoniaoly562: I'll ask one more time, as it's obvious your active while pm'ing me - do you need anything else from this channel, if not please leave and come back when you do want to discuss it22:49
ikonianalioth: can you please assist with this22:50
naliotholy562: please respect the channel guidelines ( read the /topic )22:52
ikoniaok - this is obiously going nowhere.22:55
ikoniaone more time22:56
ikonia!idle | oly56222:56
ubottuoly562: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only; we ask you to part when you have no further business here in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.22:56
oly562im thinking22:57
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oly562i do not like this channel, and i will not recommend it to anyone i know23:19
oly562dicks23:19
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)23:26
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)23:26
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join)23:26
LjLattack ongoing (at least in -unregged)23:27
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood)23:28
LjLtold you so23:28
FlannelGeez, is today random-spam-day?23:32
Flannelikonia: Did you get the thing with coleys sorted out?23:33
* Flannel boggles at the selective reading of some people.23:33
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood)23:34
ubottuFloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (flood)23:34
LjLi would say yes23:34
Priceyjpds: yes23:35
Priceyjpds: r stops joins, R stop speaking23:35
jpdsPricey: I know, E_TIRED.23:36
Priceycase sensitivity ftw :D23:36
LjLshall i tighten the flood threshold a little?23:37
PriceyIts that or leaving +r on a little?23:37
PriceyMy awaylog seems interesting.23:37
LjLPricey: well, at this point i'd leave +r on a little in any case23:37
LjLstill, the floods last a little uncomfortably long before the bots actually take action23:38
Priceyoh of course yeah23:38
LjLof course there's a reason for that (avoiding false alarm, the usual reason), but perhaps it can be made a *bit* tighter23:38
PriceyI would say they worked well.23:38
PriceyI see the flooding things joining at .2623:38
PriceyThe bots +rR'd at .2723:38
LjLPricey: oh yep they worked fine in that respect, they'd have been effective if an op was around to notice that. but they weren't too effective about the floods themselves23:39
PriceyI've lost you?23:39
LjLPricey: i mean, they set +rR pretty quickly on the join-flood23:40
LjLPricey: but after they removed it, and the spammers started actual privmsg-spamming, they didn't stop that very quickly23:40
PriceyLost again. Timestamps?23:41
LjLPricey: i'll just paste a log with commentary23:41
Priceyty23:41
LjLPricey: http://pastebin.ca/151301023:46
PriceyLjL: on my screen i don't see that 7 seconds at the end23:56
Priceylet me double check23:56
LjLPricey: no? please do check, it may well be my client that's being slowed down by the flooding itself23:56
PriceyLjL: On my screen, that last lot, the flood started at .26. The floodbots acted at .2723:57
LjLuhm23:57
LjLPricey: you did get about 20 messages from the flooders in any case?23:57
PriceyLjL: I also see people joining -unregged at .2623:57
PriceyLjL: I haven't looked at exactly how they worked ont he previous attacks, but on that last one, they worked as well as I can imagine they could have.23:58
LjLPricey: we probably misunderstood because the first "attack" (actually just a mass-join) happened at *minute* :26:, which i thought was what you meant, while you meant *second* :2623:59
PriceyI see 28 clients join.23:59
LjLwhich is when the last attack was23:59
Pricey(in the last attack(23:59
LjLyeah i haven't actually counted that, just saw they were a few23:59

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