[00:45] mechtech called the ops in #ubuntu () [00:49] sssh, you didn't notice me. [00:49] Flannel, did he PM you anyway? [00:50] flannel: you here? [00:50] mechtech: yeah, one second. [00:50] ok [00:50] Escalade-tor-dor: How can we help you today? [00:50] I just have a general question [00:50] Will PM work? [00:51] You're here, go ahead and ask. [00:51] Is that the IP address before a user's nick or is that just after you register a nick? [00:52] Escalade-tor-dor: This channel is for operator related questions, for general IRC questions, there's ##freenode, or even #ubuntu-offtopic. [00:52] And what if there are users sharing a connection but they got banned, causing me to get banned? [00:52] Escalade-tor-dor: Then you come here and discuss it. [00:52] that is semi related to my issue [00:53] yeah, I have this roommate abusing the irc chats and got the connection banned from it. So I just contact ops in whatever channel that is? [00:53] Escalade-tor-dor: Yeah, that's how you've gotta do it. [00:54] thanks Flannel [00:54] Escalade-tor-dor: If there's nothing else we can help you with here today, please part. Thanks. [00:55] elky: He's here now. I've gotta get back to work, which is why I suggested here instead of a query. [00:55] mechtech: Go ahead. [00:57] ok...someone was really rude, and abusive to me earlier...I wasn't all that concerned with their rudeness...I got some advice from jrib who told me to do /ignore on him...I did that [00:57] then they PM'ed me again...after the /ignore [00:57] from a different nick / different address? [00:58] slo, I whoised them, and got some really confusing results...see here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/236174/ [00:58] err, that's the whois for jrib...? [00:58] ljl: no, it was still de...see new paste following [00:59] see...I selected DE, then hit the "whois" button...only once [00:59] well, i can assure you if nothing else that jrib isn't that person :) [00:59] didn't even know about /whois yet...jrib told me about it [00:59] I feel the same [00:59] a "DE" is currently online but not in #ubuntu [01:00] so I can only assume that DE somehow spoofed his nick [01:00] onto jrib [01:00] In some clients if you just do /whois, they'll do a whois for the person whos query window you're in. [01:00] I can give you his info: n=DE@adsl-75-6-148-56.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net [01:00] no, i think either you misclicked without noticing or your client automatically whoises people you have messages open with [01:00] uhm, that doesn't seem to be the one currently online [01:00] I was in the PM room from DE at the time [01:01] using xchat [01:02] i can pretty much assure you that the jrib whois is a genuine whois for jrib, even though i don't know why you obtained it [01:03] here is a transcript of the unsolicited, and offensive PM: http://paste.ubuntu.com/236241/ [01:03] LjL: I only whois'ed once, by pressing the whois button in the PM room with DE [01:04] wait [01:06] After he said "I won't" I spoke with jrib who told me to use /ignore on him, so I did...everything else that follows is AFTER the /ignore [01:07] mechtech: This doesn't appear to be an ubuntu issue. If you would like I'll have a look at it and see what I can do for you? [01:08] Pricey: The guy from that paste appears to be the Escalade guy who was just in here. [01:08] I don't understand...I was told by operators to take abuse issues here [01:08] see...I knew it was somehow related to his issue [01:10] and, my big issue isn't being cussed at or even racism (I'm white, so being called that is irrelevant) ny big issue is that this guy was able to PM me AFTER the ignore by somehow riding jrib's ident [01:12] mechtech: At a guess, I would suggest that your client is behaving wierdly. Could you provide us with better timestamps on that log? [01:13] mechtech: alsot he timezone the logs are set to [01:14] I don't know how...I did click "save log to file", but I have since closed the PM window from DE [01:15] mechtech: How long ago was this? [01:15] my client is xchat [01:15] minuges or hours? [01:15] about 4 hours I think [01:15] I have an infant son, so my interet time is sporadic [01:16] I'm in CA...if that helps [01:17] mechtech: If I were you, I would join a random channel and test your /ignore by joining with a separate client. [01:17] mechtech: I will give the user a PM about what you received, but I'm not aware of any technical exploits they could have, or have used to fool your client. [01:18] mechtech, if you could satisfy my curiosity though, do you know if those messages from this user were elicited from anything? did you try to talk to him before that, did you mention anything involving piracy (since he talked about "pirate")...? [01:18] i'm just wondering [01:22] I was asking in public regarding transmission message: "we have unchoked this peer, but they don't care" [01:22] not specifying any one user [01:23] pricey: could I use pigin for that? [01:23] mechtech: you could make a second connection from within xchat even [01:24] Heads up: coleys in #ubuntu seems to think that randomly recommending sudo passwd root is a good idea. [01:24] and it isn't?! [01:24] Flannel: thanks :) [01:24] Pricey: just join another room, or what? [01:25] mechtech: sure, i don't think there's anything wrong with the network, so was just suggesting you have a play around somewhere with /ignore, like [01:25] just open another instance of xchat? [01:25] yep could do that [01:25] ok [01:26] new server tab? channel tab? server window? or channel window? [01:27] mechtech: server tab [01:27] ok [01:27] mechtech: and join the same channel with both connections (so same channel beneath both server tabs) [01:27] something like ##-a0isdsiods [01:31] I suspect the person mechtech is referring to is * #ubuntu-offtopic n=DE adsl-75-6-148-56.dsl.skt2ca.sbcglobal.net irc.freenode.net Escalade-tor-dor H :0 DE [01:31] yeah [01:31] elky: and don't you suspect anything about another person who joined that same channel and asked something? :) [01:31] LjL, i suspected something right away when that happened [01:31] but nature and food then proved too tempting :P [01:32] but, that didn't elicit the expected pm response from escalade-tor-dor [01:36] blind|melon|chit called the ops in #ubuntu () [01:40] * elky pre-emptively puts a bag of popcorn in the microwave. [01:40] why did the guy that calld ops arrive moments before that? [01:40] i've heard of blind|melon|chit recently haven't i? [01:41] Pricey, you're thinking paddy melon [01:41] just got a k thx in pm from gingerbread [01:41] Pricey: blind melon was in here earlier (12 hours ago?) [01:44] Pricey: I left you a log for my discussoin with blind|melon [01:45] bah sorry yes Pici, thanks [01:47] Pici: you must have treated him badly, he's pissed :( [01:47] On the contrary, I was most accomodating. [01:48] Is anyone in private message with linuxguy2009? [01:48] Me. [01:48] Pricey: Okay :) [01:48] Pici: over time, i've learnt that not banning someone doesn't necessarily equate to being accomodating! [01:48] anyway, who's sircrazy too [01:48] it seems to me like we have a bunch of... trolls? [01:49] Bunch of edgy people, feeding off of each other at the moment, yeah. [01:49] well, but i was thinking more like: bunch of people joining just at the "right" time, and knowing things such as to use ! ops, or to flame linuxguy, or things like that, a moment after joining [01:51] linuxguy is a bit happier now [01:51] PM ended nicely [01:52] Vantrax: Howdy, how can we help you today? [01:52] linuxguy was being flamed a bit gratuitously by some people who really had no business with the whole thing [01:52] no need for help sorry, it autojoined >.< [01:52] Er? Autojoined here? [01:52] Oh well. [01:53] maybe he was an op in 2003, who knows [01:53] i mean, it's my excuse too! [01:53] blind|melon|chit on the other hand has gone down the attacking, "abusive op" route with me [01:56] ok guys...I'm back [01:56] mechtech: how goes? [01:56] is this the channel with all the ops in it? [01:56] apparently, I have no ignore command [01:57] what: /topic [01:57] mechtech: Aha! :) [01:57] mechtech: on xchat? i'm pretty sure you do [01:57] i don't really know the syntax, but i know you do [01:57] odd, blind|melon|chit claiming i'm evading his ignore now [01:57] my friend told me to come here and tell u that pull_my_beeper is calling me a nigger and keeps pming me [01:58] who's your friend? [01:58] well...I went to settings>advanced>user commands (where I had never been before) and there is no "ignore" [01:58] oh, what did i just say. [01:58] what: your friend is telling you to lie? [01:58] what: or is pull_my_beeper really doing that? [01:59] can i pste in here? [01:59] LOL@ pricey [01:59] paste? [01:59] !paste | what [01:59] what: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic [01:59] it doesnt appear that anyone by that nick is online [02:00] could anyone tell me how to add ignore to my commands? [02:00] mechtech: "user commands" isn't the client's commands [02:00] you have an /ignore command without it being in "user commands" [02:00] ok...lemme see [02:01] mechtech: try /ignore nickname!*@* ALL [02:01] http://paste.ubuntu.com/236267/ [02:01] oh wait, does what mean Pull_My_Bleep? [02:01] my friend is on the phone with me he says he cant beleve a ubuntu person is doing that [02:01] elky, ? [02:02] what: Do you have timestamps? [02:02] icant select them [02:02] what: What client are you using? [02:03] xchat [02:03] what: Why does your ctcp response say irssi? [02:03] i dont know [02:03] ljl: ok...brb [02:03] my friend set p this comp [02:04] what: You may not have a direct connection to freenode in that case. I suggest you check your xchat to make sure it is connecting to irc.ubuntu.com on port 8001. [02:05] i think i'll just never use irc for support people are mean and i have my friend if i need help [02:05] bye bye [02:06] what: Its a shame it has come to that. I wish you well in whatever you get up to from here on. [02:07] @login [02:07] The operation succeeded. [02:07] The operation succeeded. [02:07] @whoami [02:07] freenodestaff [02:07] ugh === Pricey is now known as PriceChild [02:08] mechtech: Is there anything else we can help oyu with? [02:08] HI [02:08] yeah...how can I un-ignore someone? [02:08] LOL [02:09] @login [02:09] The operation succeeded. [02:09] @whoami [02:09] pricechild [02:09] \o/ [02:09] mechtech: depends on your client [02:09] xchat === PriceChild is now known as Pricey [02:09] 2.8.6 [02:09] * elky starts typing out !nickspam... [02:10] elky: Pricey starts typinh out /kill... [02:10] elky: It was twice! :) And for a reason! :P Do you expect me to 'ugh' connect a separate client? [02:10] :P [02:13] how to un-ignore? [02:13] mechtech: what client do you use? [02:14] xchat 2.8.6 [02:14] mechtech: ask in #xchat, please [02:14] ok...thanks guys [02:16] So... that was all odd. [02:18] slightly [02:18] it smells like tag-teaming to me. [02:18] hmhm [02:18] Yes, haven't had that for a while. [02:51] thrash-: Have you tried using webchat.freenode.net ? [02:51] im having problems joining #ubuntu [02:52] thrash-: again, join #ubuntu-ops and ask them about it [02:53] hello? [02:53] nalioth: erm.. [02:53] nalioth, please recite your bearings./ [02:54] pepsi: can i help you? [02:54] no [02:54] can i lurk? [02:54] pepsi: No [02:54] then please respect our /topic here, pepsi [02:54] :/ [02:54] thrash-: You should check out webchat.freenode.net and use that instead of the client you're currently using. That will give you access to #ubuntu. [02:54] i havent even had a chance to read it yet! [02:54] pepsi, it's not fair to people who are here for mediation. [02:54] for some reason i cant join #ubuntu [02:54] thrash-: I think its also a slightly nicer client. [02:55] thrash-: Java clients are banned from the channel, but you can use webchat.freenode.net instead (not java.freenode.net) [02:55] oh [02:55] okay [03:01] Is that last thing from sebsebseb sass? or just me taking it that way? [03:06] arrogance, yes, considering his help usually isn't helpful. otherwise malicious, i doubt it. [04:13] dang, guess I didn't fix my connection issues after all [04:13] they seem to have been a lot less severe today though === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [05:06] * genii experimentally sips [05:09] sebsebseb called the ops in #ubuntu (Sassy1 and I think Geoffrey2 for channal promotion as well) [05:11] * genii hands Flannel a coffee (or a beer if you prefer that instead) [05:12] Tea? [05:12] Can do :) [05:12] * genii puts on a kettle [05:21] i'm going to make a wild guess that seb wasn't entirely innocent here? [05:23] Flannel, care to remove sassy1? [05:23] Darn that scroll buffer. [05:24] seb^3 was just being silly re: promotion [05:24] last I checked, people don't "promote" -es when someone asks about it [05:24] seb^3 is good at jumping to conclusions and sparking troubles [05:24] Yeah [05:25] Sassy incoming, I imagine. [05:25] sassy1 is probaby Magnus-swe [05:25] stew, someone you're familiar with? [05:25] very much so [05:26] gadmintools upstream [05:26] thinks since he is an open source code author he is above roles [05:26] yeah: [05:26] yeah: 21:24 Also for US-military forces ? .. Reconsider your move please [05:26] elky: what have you coded. why do you wnat to not let coders talk with their friends? [05:26] er... thta was odd. [05:26] yeah that is him [05:26] wonder why the double yeah. [05:26] Did anyone else see that? [05:26] he's on a us navy/army kick recently [05:27] (see me, that is) [05:27] * stew PMs [05:27] I told him if he feels mistreated, he can come here and discuss [05:27] stew, well he can stay away from our channels if he's going to be a tosser [05:27] Seems to think it was a ban. [05:27] elky: he's been a tosser in all these channels for a half a dozen years [05:28] (and is effectively threatening to evade) [05:29] yeah, he'll evade [05:29] i've not really figure out how to get to him [05:29] i've been trying for years [05:29] stew, you probably wont, but standing back is only going to encourage others [05:30] what do you mean by standing back? [05:31] * genii waits for someone from ice.net to show up and start making trouble now [05:31] stew, standing back and letting him continue without reprimand [05:32] elky: if i were you i'd ban him on site yeah [05:35] i've tried all manner of appealing to his intellect, to his sense of doing good [05:35] i've threatened him [05:35] banned him from a dozen or so channels [05:36] written 3 of his isps [05:36] don't know how to get through to this one [05:36] are these concurrent isps? [05:36] yeah [05:36] which? [05:37] well you see his current one [07:08] I'm done with blind|melon|chat - he's getting banned from #ubuntu now [07:09] after all the crap yesterday and the abuse in pm - I lifted the ban, he tells me I'm on ignore and I can stick my apology up my fucking ass - as he won't be back [07:09] he comes back and starts making an issue out of being accidently kicked in the channel again [07:09] this guy can stay out [07:10] he's muted in the channel now with +b - not a mute [07:10] (so others are aware) [07:12] just bad timing I would suggest; I saw him in another channel prior to the incident and he was having some short-temper/blunt responses to those trying to help him [07:12] read the full back scroll now and it is unaceptable from him [07:12] bazhang: he is constantly like that - it is not bad timing [07:12] bazhang: the reason I got him confused he he was the one who reported paddy_melon in here (no problem there) but caused almost as much of an issue as paddy_melon when he was in here [07:12] accidental kicks bans happen sometimes ikonia , most do not react accordingly [07:13] it was an accident, %100 my fault, but he's using it as an excuse to be rude and feed people in the channel nonsense [07:13] ikonia, I concur. my meaning was worse than his usual [07:14] I put on my best polite hat in the channel and pm to him to express how sorry I was, and I know pici did the same and he didn't want an apologiy he just wanted an excuse to slate the channel/be rude [07:14] I noticed his behaviour as being off long before this all took place, not only just prior, but earlier as well [07:14] I ignored it and the ban was lifted, then he's doing it again in the channel, telling people to not use the ops as they will get kicked [07:14] he knows it was an accident - it's just an excuse / attempt to provoke - so now he's out until he can get a grip on it [07:15] plus telling people to shove stuff up their fucking ass isn't needed [07:15] surely that is an overreaction/escalation [07:15] no [07:15] that's his atttiude [07:16] or do you mean me banning him ? [07:16] no, I mean his going all out with the language etc. [07:18] at any rate, not meaning to interfere; just wanted to give my two cents [07:20] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [07:20] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit) [07:20] bazhang: not at all, [08:04] hi... can the ops add ubottu to #ayatana? currently it only has ubuntulog [08:05] ubottu tell mac_v about botclone [08:05] mac_v, please see my private message [08:08] nalioth: but I'm not an op at #ayatana ... i was wondering if Pici or any other op could add it ... [08:08] mac_v: ubottu is for Ubuntu channels [08:09] nalioth: ah... i guess the ubuntulog presence had me misguided... nevermind [08:09] thanx [08:10] mac_v: you are welcome to clone it there [08:12] nalioth: the botclone link with ubottu gave redirects to the lp> https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak , I have done bot clone before ? could you give me another link? which has instructions? [08:12] i have not* [08:13] hmmm [08:14] https://edge.launchpad.net/ayatana so I remembered correctly [08:14] but yeah, ubottu clone would probably serve best [08:15] mac_v: basically it's a supybot, with the additions [08:15] supybot instructions should work 100% [08:15] * mac_v goolges [08:16] * mac_v googles* [08:18] #supybot is also useful ;) [08:18] ah... :) [08:19] but can a non-op add a bot? [08:19] sure, why not? [08:20] ok.... didnt know that... :) [08:20] thanx guys... [08:20] technically it's an irc client that is operated by programmable logic instead of a person [08:20] and you yourself can join channels, no? [08:20] :-) [08:20] of course it's nice to ask the operators for a permission first [08:21] for example #ubuntu main channels have a strict policy on bots [08:21] Myrtti: several others were wondering how to add , and kept wondering that was it because we dont have permissions... so i was asking here its nice to know though... [08:23] each bot of course has their owners [08:23] you can't add *ubottu* the bot, but you can add *a* bot [08:25] Myrtti: ah... thats what i was looking for, ;p [08:25] ... Pici hangs out over there... so maybe he could confirm if ubottu can/cannot be added , does ayatana not qualify as an ubuntu channel? [08:33] mac_v: ubottuis currently overloaded, but if it does qualify as ubuntu, then ubot2 or ubot3 may be suitable. for what purpose do you need it? === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [08:34] jussi01: just for bug # , since we are used to just listing the bug numbers , and not the titles . [08:34] do those bots do that? [08:35] nalioth: is ubot3 doing bug snarfing? [08:35] jussi01: i don't think so [08:35] if you mean "does it spit out bugs when you say b u g ######", no, i don't think it does [08:36] yeah "to spit out the bugs" [08:36] ok, dunno if ubot2 is doing that either then, but youll need to check with jpds. [08:37] hehe... dont throw me out guys... i'll wait for jpds or Pici to confirm this [08:42] Well Im off for lunch. see you all later [08:52] jussi01: bit of an early lunch m'dear? [08:59] i often eat lunch well before noon, because i'm a bad breakfast eater [09:06] mac_v: That should do it. [09:18] \o/ thanx jpds [10:21] christel: nah, normal here - we usually eat lunch ~11 ish [10:23] christel, can you take a look in -women and see if these two seem familiar to you at all. [10:24] certainly, who am i looking for? [10:24] You have been kicked from #ubuntu by ikonia (when you can stop giving out your attitude to others you can rejoin the channel) <- Someone care to explain the meaning of this, being that I was idle for three hours when I came back and saw it? [10:24] Or is this just ikonia doing his usual ban first, ask questions later routine? [10:26] /lastlog Mez [10:27] Nothing eh? First he kicks me by "accident," now he's not even trying to hide it any more. And who do I report it to, the IRCC? With which he has multiple friends sitting in positions? [10:28] !appeals | blindmelonchitli [10:28] blindmelonchitli: If you disagree with a decision by an operator, please first pay #ubuntu-ops a visit. If you are still unhappy, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/AppealProcess for the steps you should take. If you feel the need to discuss the channel rules, please contact the ops on IRC or via the email address on the aforementioned page. [10:28] jussi01: I've already tried that route and received no reply. Of course I've come here many times and also received no help whatsoever, now I'm being arbitrarily kicked by another power abusing op. [10:29] jussi01: I'd like to know why. [10:29] blindmelonchitli: The IRCC tries to deal with complaints in a fair and open manner [10:29] blindmelonchitli: I havent seen any mail from you on the IRCC list [10:30] jussi01: I'm guessing not, because the last e-mails I sent were under different names and for different issues. Because of the abusiveness of the ops here I assumed that this particular issue would be ignored, particularly when Pici is a sitting member and is "buddies" with ikonia. [10:30] Sure, I could report it to the IRCC, so they can sweep it under the rug and ignore it. [10:31] blindmelonchitli: I think this can be sorted out, so please, bring your complaint to us, and lets be open about it. If a member of the IRCC is involved with the issue, then they will step back and let the rest of the council deal with it [10:31] elky: got anything from before i joined? [10:32] blindmelonchitli: but please, I havent seen the situation yet, so if you could email the IRCC list with full details, including logs, we can have a look for you. [10:32] christel, the xim_ twit joined and said he was there to pick up chicks :( [10:33] blindmelonchitli: we attempt to be fair and impartial, and I will attempt to make sure that is the case here. However, we need to handle these things in a calm and clear way, so I ask that you are concise and to the point [10:34] jussi01: There's that word, "attempt." I'm already being arbitrarily kicked out of the channel whenever ikonia's hitting that time of the month, where's the calmness and clearness in that? You want me to follow a procedure but you're not even following your own. [10:35] blindmelonchitli: where am I not following proceedure? [10:35] jussi01: I don't know, by allowing ikonia to kick anyone he doesn't like out of an official support channel maybe? Twice in one day? [10:36] blindmelonchitli: You have asked to escalate this to the next level, I am telling you how tom do that. [10:36] jussi01: Indulge me, what can I -expect- to happen if I do escalate it to "the next level?" [10:36] blindmelonchitli: thats your allegation, and so, just as you would in a normal way, if you dont agree with the actions of the police, you take it to the court. so bring it tous so we can have a look. [10:37] blindmelonchitli, do you reject all escalations procedures (ie, call centers) just because supervisors know and work alongside their subordinates? [10:38] elky: No, much like call centers I know that I'm never going to reach someone who could actually solve my problem here, and what's worse, if I -did- escalate it, nothing would happen anyway. You've all got each other's back and the IRCC members are active participants in the channel. [10:38] jussi01: Have you ever heard the term "corrupt police officer?" [10:38] blindmelonchitli: Please, reserve your judgement until you bring it to us - do not make wild accusations until you have some substance to back them up with. [10:39] jussi01: I have two unnecessary kicks from a support channel, what has ikonia got? [10:39] A +o, unfortunately for me, apparently. [10:39] blindmelonchitli: yes. and that is why you escalate to us. just as you would go to a court with that police officer. [10:39] blindmelonchitli: Until you do that escalation, there is little I or any of the IRCC can do. [10:40] jussi01: Well back to the inconvenient question that you didn't answer yet -- what can I -expect- to happen if I do follow this song and dance procedure? [10:40] Anything? [10:41] blindmelonchitli, jussi is not the only one on the council, he cannot speak for all the members, so that is not a fair question to ask. [10:41] Or can I expect ikonia to just make up some crap in a fake log, all of you to nod your heads and say "yes, he sure deserved that?" [10:41] blindmelonchitli: if the operator was in the wrong, you can expect an apology and a full reinstatement of you access to where you were banned. [10:41] blindmelonchitli, all our logs are stored where only the canonical sysadmin team can access them [10:41] !logs [10:41] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [10:41] jussi01: I'm not banned, I was just kicked. I suspect that was so ikonia wouldn't have any difficult questions to answer. [10:42] blindmelonchitli: please, bring it to us through the appeals proccess so we can deal with this in a calm, clear and open manner. [10:42] elky: Perhaps a naive question, those logs don't include private messages do they? [10:42] blindmelonchitli, i should hope not. [10:43] elky: Ahh. So if, say, there was a discussion of why I was banned between two members in private, an IRC op and an IRCC member say, that wouldn't be recorded, yes? [10:43] blindmelonchitli: and the escalation process is not a hard one, it is a simple as writing a clear eamil with your side of the story, so we can evaluate it. [10:44] i hope not, because some of these other ops and ircc people have been told my address and phone number before, i'd really hate to see that in the logs. [10:44] elky: I'd imagine ikonia has some things he'd rather not show up in the logs either. [10:44] blindmelonchitli, i'm sure you have said things you dont want in logs either. [10:44] elky: The difference is that I'll admit to them. [10:45] elky: Oh yes, and the other difference is that I don't have a +o to arbitrarily kick people whenever my mood's off. [10:45] blindmelonchitli: once again, please bring it officially to the IRCC, then we can take a look at it. [10:45] jussi01: And beyond looking at it? [10:46] blindmelonchitli: and after looking at it we can decide on a course of action. [10:46] blindmelonchitli, your attitude here is most distasteful. youv'e been told more times than I have digits to follow a procedure and what you are saying here will be considered as indication of character. [10:46] elky: So it's already starting. I can tell how seriously this "complaint" to the IRCC is going to be taken already. [10:47] blindmelonchitli, it's not going to be able to be taken any way if you don't care enough to follow the procedure. [10:47] that's not for lack of want. it is a procedure. you need to follow it. [10:48] elky: And you're sure that it's not going to be ignored because of my "distasteful attitude?" Which, I might add, is only the result of being pushed around by you people to the point that I've come here to complain about it? [10:48] I didn't have a problem before ikonia kicked me twice. [10:50] blindmelonchitli, take responsibility for your own behaviour. Ikonia has not *forced* you to do anything here. You are a sentinent being. [10:50] blindmelonchitli: Please, once again, bring it to the council and lets see what we can do about it. [10:51] elky: Tell me what behaviour that I got kicked for and I'll take responsibility for it. [10:51] blindmelonchitli, i was not there. that's why you need to bring it to appeals so you can show me the evidence. [10:51] elky: I already pasted the evidence when I joined the channel. [10:52] elky: I've also been told that anything that I paste to the IRCC will be considered "hearsay" [10:52] blindmelonchitli, i dont have time to read up there. i need it in my inbox. [10:52] blindmelonchitli: bring it to the IRCC as a official complaint and we can then deal with it. [10:52]