[18:42] <_|ms|_> good evening :D
[18:43] <_|ms|_> anybody available for a short question about the *.conf files?
[18:43] <_|ms|_> esp. tty
[18:47] <sadmac> I'm here-ish
[18:47] <_|ms|_> hi sadmac2
[18:47] <_|ms|_> oops :D
[18:47] <_|ms|_> -2 :D
[18:48] <_|ms|_> well it's because of my ttys
[18:48] <_|ms|_> I would like them to start AFTER all other services started
[18:48] <_|ms|_> but there is no: start on started startup, right?
[18:49] <_|ms|_> I had a png file with the patches but don't find it again :D
[18:49] <sadmac> _|ms|_: no. There's no real way to do that (to an extend there's no reason to do that. To another extent we're designing 0.10 to address that sort of problem.)
[18:50] <_|ms|_> well... the need is: it looks much better :D
[18:50] <_|ms|_> if you are logging in and there are some processes starting up and show their output... it's not pretty :D
[18:51] <sadmac> you should be logging that. don't do it on the same tty
[18:52] <_|ms|_> why not? shouldn't the user get what's happening?!
[18:53] <sadmac> _|ms|_: its happening too fast to read anyway :) and I don't know who your users are, but mine don't typically care
[18:53] <sadmac> (I package for Fedora)
[18:53] <sadmac> Only time the user cares about that noise is if something breaks.
[18:54] <_|ms|_> hmm, you are right :D
[18:54] <_|ms|_> but I like that lines :D
[18:56] <_|ms|_> hmm another idea how to beautify the boot process?
[18:56] <sadmac> _|ms|_: hlh booted on a netbook in 5 seconds at last LPC.
[18:56] <sadmac> _|ms|_: don't beautify it. Make it so fast the user isn't aware it happened.
[18:57] <_|ms|_> hlh?
[18:57] <sadmac> _|ms|_: actually not hlh
[18:57] <sadmac> _|ms|_: Arjan Van De Ven
[18:57] <_|ms|_> it is a person^
[18:57] <sadmac> kernel guy for Intel
[18:57] <sadmac> yes
[18:57] <sadmac> he did it with Fedora and with another distro (I want to say SUSE)
[18:58] <_|ms|_> most of my systems have a lot of networking to start (this will always take a lot of time)
[18:58] <_|ms|_> don't say suse :D
[18:58] <_|ms|_> well, you're an employee of redhat?!
[18:58] <sadmac> _|ms|_: the user could be doing useful work in that time. why make them wait on the network coming up?
[18:59] <sadmac> _|ms|_: Yes, but not in a development capacity. Upstart/Fedora are on my own time.
[18:59] <_|ms|_> it's a firewall :D
[18:59] <sadmac> ...then why does it have users at all? :)
[18:59] <_|ms|_> oh... but U dunno when there is a kernel 2.6.30 for fedora?! :D
[18:59] <_|ms|_> hmm, there is me working on console :D
[19:00] <_|ms|_> work is much easier if it is coloured :D
[19:01] <sadmac> _|ms|_: looks like we skipped .30 and went straight to the .31-rc*s
[19:01] <sadmac> http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=8
[19:01] <sadmac> ^^no promises that any of those work with F11 (or at all :)
[19:01] <_|ms|_> I don't expect a new kernel for f11
[19:01] <_|ms|_> but I need a wifi module for my netbook :D
[19:02] <_|ms|_> it's not fun having a netbook without wireless
[19:02] <sadmac> well you can try the rawhide kernel then
[19:02] <sadmac> or build your own. The config is saved in /boot
[19:02] <sadmac> you'll want to edit to turn your driver on of course
[19:03] <_|ms|_> the module is in staging in 2.6.29, but have you ever extracted a fedora kernel srpm, changed the config and tried to build it?!
[19:03] <_|ms|_> doesn't work
[19:04] <sadmac> Not by that exact process but I've rebuilt kernels.
[19:04] <_|ms|_> I will try this later again :D rawhide seems to be a good idea...
[19:04] <_|ms|_> would you like to review my upstart scripts?! http://git.ipfire.org/?p=ipfire-3.x.git;a=tree;f=src/initscripts;h=7526a01c3abc85996d9a19811a4c7a637db9f5a2;hb=HEAD
[19:05] <_|ms|_> you changed my thinking about the boot process in the last few minutes :D
[19:05] <sadmac> lemme get back to work. maybe when I get home :)
[19:05] <_|ms|_> okay :D
[19:06] <_|ms|_> tell me why i screwed this up^
[19:07] <sadmac> heh