[00:02] <a|wen> neversfelde: bilbo looks all good :)
[00:03] <neversfelde> a|wen: :) I hope it will make it in the archive this time
[00:03] <neversfelde> thanks for reviewing
[00:05] <a|wen> neversfelde: you've got to motu acks now ... so next step the archive admins ;)
[00:05] <neversfelde> yes, it was rejected last time because of the lintian override
[00:05] <neversfelde> Riddell: would you have a look at it, I think this might be special KDE
[00:06] <Riddell> special you say
[00:06]  * Riddell spots ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu in the queue
[00:07] <Riddell> shtylman_: know anything about that? ^^
[00:07]  * ScottK hopes not short bus special
[00:07] <Riddell> neversfelde: no bilbo in the queue
[00:08] <neversfelde> Riddell: it has two advocates on revu, I don't know, if it is auto uploaded?
[00:08] <Riddell> no it needs someone to upload
[00:08] <neversfelde> a|wen: can you upload it?
[00:08] <ScottK> The 2nd advocate should upload it.
[00:09] <a|wen> do i need to do anything but upload it and set the LP bug to fix committed?
[00:09] <Riddell> archive the entry on Revu
[00:10] <Riddell> the bug should fix itself if it's in the changelog
[00:10] <ScottK> a|wen: When you get the changes file back from LP, forward it to ubuntu-motu ML.
[00:11]  * ScottK vanishes again.
[00:11] <a|wen> thx!
[00:12] <shtylman_> Riddell: nope...where did ya spot it? I guess it is time for me to look into that :)
[00:12] <Riddell> shtylman_: it's in New queue
[00:12] <shtylman_> ...don't really know what that means...
[00:14] <Riddell> shtylman_: the package has been uploaded for the first time so it needs to get revired by an archive admin for sanity and licence compliance before it goes into the archive
[00:15] <shtylman_> ahh I see
[00:15] <Riddell> http://launchpad.net/~ubiquity-slideshow
[00:17] <shtylman_> cool
[00:17] <shtylman_> I pulled the code to take a look...interesting...
[00:18] <Riddell> mm, it's just html with javascript to do the slide transition
[00:18] <shtylman_> yep
[00:18] <shtylman_> it is currently gtk
[00:18] <shtylman_> but shouldn't be too hard to make a qt version
[00:19] <shtylman_> would you like me to do that? (and have it take priority over the printer stuff?)
[00:19] <shtylman_> or wait for their codebase to get settled in a bit more?
[00:20] <Riddell> shtylman_: dunno, I guess ask evan what their plans are for it when would be a good time to port it to KDE (assuming we want it)
[00:20] <shtylman_> alright...I will ping him on it...
[00:21] <shtylman_> right now...I am trying to get a KCategorizedView to work...
[00:21] <shtylman_> I want to make that the primary view for the printers and whatnot...
[00:21] <shtylman_> but it is fighting me... !!
[00:22] <shtylman_> the docs...are...a bit ... *sparce* to use the expression lightly...
[00:24] <Riddell> sounds like a new fangled widget
[00:24] <shtylman_> it is the widget that does the System Settings categories
[00:24] <shtylman_> (from what I have learned)
[00:25] <shtylman_> I want to use it to display printers and utility functions
[00:25] <Riddell> yes, some dolphin views too I think
[00:25] <shtylman_> I think it will look clean
[00:25] <shtylman_> yep
[00:32] <a|wen> neversfelde: uploaded!
[00:32] <neversfelde> a|wen: thank you
[00:47] <shtylman_> is it safe to update my system yet to kde 4.3 rc? :)
[00:49] <Riddell> shtylman_: you can test 4.3.0 if you're on karmic
[00:49] <shtylman_> really? ... obviously I am on karmic...why would I run a stable os? I am a developer :p ... but I didn't know 4.3 was out?
[00:50] <Riddell> it's not, it's  top secret
[00:50] <shtylman_> ooo
[00:51] <JontheEchidna> if you've been running an up-to-date karmic you've got the 4.3 RCs
[00:52] <shtylman_> I have been up to date...slacking :)
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> heh
[00:52] <JontheEchidna> I mean, any update in the last few months and you've been using at least 4.3 beta
[01:07]  * shtylman_ wonders if the new kernel update will fix the booting problem...
[01:08] <claydoh> shtylman_: which boting problem?
[01:08]  * claydoh has a karmic booting problem, as well as a typing problem :/
[01:09] <shtylman_> bug 398059
[01:09] <shtylman_> ouch
[01:10]  * claydoh doesn't suffer that one, he thinks
[01:11] <shtylman_> :)
[01:11]  * claydoh prob suffers from an aging laptop
[01:13] <nixternal> ScottK: the keyboard switch is the last thing to impl
[01:19] <shtylman> well...that went...smoothly
[01:19] <shtylman> I have no idea if I am using the new kdm theme though...
[01:19] <Riddell> well it would look different if you were
[01:20] <Riddell> you have to choose it manually it seems
[01:20] <shtylman> yea...I see that...
[01:20] <shtylman> yea..I can confirm that you have to choose it manually
[01:20] <shtylman> I can also confirm that the network manager icon (although showing connected) still has the busy status going
[01:20] <Riddell> busy status?
[01:21] <shtylman> little scrolling circle thing
[01:21] <shtylman> it does it when connecting and getting a lease and whatnot...but even though I am connected...it is still going...
[01:22] <Riddell> shtylman: plasmoid or systray applet?
[01:22] <shtylman> plasmoid
[01:22] <shtylman> is there a systray applet?
[01:22] <Riddell> shtylman: try the new plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[01:22] <shtylman> k
[01:22] <Riddell> and run knetworkmanager
[01:22] <Riddell> version 0.1~svn1002781-0ubuntu2
[01:24] <shtylman> knetworkmanager is not installed
[01:24] <shtylman> and is the new widget installed by default?
[01:24] <shtylman> nvm...I see that it isn't...(installing)
[01:25] <shtylman> ooo
[01:25] <shtylman> knetworkmanager... fancy
[01:25] <shtylman> why does the connected icon not look like it is connected?
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> because the icons are preliminary
[01:26] <shtylman> ahh
[01:26] <shtylman> so is the plasma-widget-networkmanaget just a systray app?
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> the tooltip should be a bit better about things, I've found
[01:26] <shtylman> or a desktop widget?
[01:26] <JontheEchidna> just a systray app, if you add the network manager applet all you get is a nice picture of a cell phone
[01:27] <shtylman> hahaha
[01:27] <JontheEchidna> the plasma applet is undergoing major changes ;-)
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> peeps haven't been using the bzr repo for the Qt packaging ;(
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> *:(
[01:29] <shtylman> I see
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> So I'm doing those QtWebKit patches, anything else needing done wrt Qt?
[01:51] <shtylman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/237777/
[01:51] <shtylman> this crashes (segfaults) on exit for me...
[01:52] <shtylman> can anyone confirm this?
[01:53] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: crashes here too
[01:58] <maco> Riddell: plasma-desktop runs again :)
[01:59] <shtylman> weird...thoughts??
[02:29] <shtylman> model programming in qt is quite hard to grasp
[02:49] <NCommander> ScottK, kdegames and amarok FTBFS fixes merged upstream and into Debian.
[03:01] <shtylman> anyone able to help me out: http://paste.ubuntu.com/237911/
[03:01] <shtylman> that crashes when I run it...
[03:01] <shtylman> am I doing something blatantly dumb??
[03:01] <shtylman> just trying to setup a very basic model first
[04:19] <ScottK> NCommander: Cool.  Thanks.
[04:20] <ScottK> nixternal: OK.  Sounds good.
[04:37] <nixternal> ScottK: right now, I am trying to figure out the best way to expose the application to the shortcut stuff
[04:52] <ScottK> Cool.
[07:43] <ScottK> BTW, arora worked today for me for logging into a t-mobile hotspot.  That's been hit or miss for Konqueror in the past for me.
[09:27] <OdyX> Hi. Debian guy here... I have installed a jaunty Kubuntu under kvm to hunt a bug down (works in Ubuntu and not in Debian). How can I upgrade to karmic ? (:%s/jaunty/karmic/ in /etc/apt/sources.list and aptitude dist-upgrade ?)
[09:34] <neversfelde> OdyX: sudo do-release-upgrade --devel-release
[09:34] <neversfelde> Hi, btw :)
[09:35] <OdyX> neversfelde: trying now. Thanks !
[10:54] <Riddell> my console freezing seems to have stopped with the new linux image, this makes me happy
[10:55] <smarter> hmm, looks like KMail just forgot about all my mail filters :/
[10:56]  * smarter wonders if he should blame ext4
[10:57] <Riddell> I've not been brave enough to touch ext4 yet
[10:58] <davmor2> smarter: no everybody is blaming cigarettes for everything so join the bandwagon :)
[11:19] <jussi01> I thought we were blaming Riddell for everything this week?
[11:19] <jussi01> :P
[11:30] <dpm> Riddell: regarding what we were talking yesterday on which date would be best for fetching desktop_*.po translations from the svn stable branch, upstream told me that the day the tag is created (in our case the 4.3 one) would be best. We can talk about it next week at the sprint.
[11:30] <dpm> and good morning, btw
[11:41] <Riddell> yes, sprint, don't let me forget to go to that
[11:43] <dpm> :)
[11:55] <Riddell> what can I do a talk about at the sprint?
[12:38] <Riddell> http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html  now there's a cool Kubuntu customisation
[12:42] <dpm> oh dear, but please please do not use that as a topic if you're planning a talk
[12:43] <Riddell> ooh I could do couldn't I
[12:44] <Riddell> "how to attract pre-pubescent girls to free software"
[12:48] <sebas> Riddell: the penguin looks out of place IMO.
[12:49] <sebas> It should be a puppy or something
[12:49]  * sebas sees a fun blog entry coming
[12:56] <Riddell> ooh compositing on intel is working perfectly today
[12:56]  * Riddell turns his windows to maximum wobble
[12:58] <Riddell> I'm not convinced by the affect which brings windows to the front when you hover over them on the taskbar, it clashes with the tooltips
[13:00] <bdgraue> Riddell: isn't there a copyright violation (Hannah Montana)?
[13:01] <Riddell> bdgraue: ssh, Disney will never notice
[13:01] <bdgraue> *rotfl*
[13:03] <Riddell> maco, seele: should we add these patches to Kubuntu for 4.3?  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/389751
[13:04] <Riddell> it'll mean we rely on rosetta for translations (which is fine, bring able to change strings is half the point of rosetta)
[13:04]  * davmor2 slaps Riddell in the hope he comes back to his senses
[13:08] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: The KWin dudes eventually disabled the "bring window to front on taskbar hover" effect by default
[13:08] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: oh right, maybe I just have it left over in my settings from before then
[13:08] <JontheEchidna> prolly
[13:08] <JontheEchidna> I didn't like the effect much either
[13:10] <Riddell> dpm: "The upstream sources are gettextized (actually, qt'ized) but do not contain translations (PO files)."  qt'ised isn't right, Qt uses a different translation mechanism
[13:12] <Riddell> dpm: I'd say "The upstream sources are internationalised using KDE functions for gettext, exctracted to PO files kept in a separate part of SVN from the source"
[13:12] <Riddell> dpm: this is on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Translations/Upstream/KDE/KubuntuTranslationsLifecycle of course
[13:13] <Riddell> dpm: under Packaging the first two bullet points are the same?
[13:13] <JontheEchidna> hmm @ bug 407322
[13:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: amarok packaging being the mess it is I don't even know if it generates .pots at all
[13:15] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: but mysql 5.1 should move to main soon I believe so I was planning to  wait for that and we can go back to normal packaging
[13:16] <JontheEchidna> I saw on the server team meeting minutes that they are aiming for 5.1 in main
[13:17] <Riddell> yep
[13:18] <dpm> Riddell: well spotted, thanks! I haven't had the chance to look at this into more detail, but I had put it there as a reminder to check how this was actually working, as sometime ago I read this -> http://blog.venthur.de/2008/09/14/gettext-and-qt4/ (last comment on the blog post), which made me think that KDE were using gettext on top of qt
[13:19]  * dpm is happy that someone is reading the documentation in the wiki!
[13:21] <Riddell> dpm: that commenter is confused
[13:22] <dpm> so am I
[13:23] <Riddell> well KDE is using gettext on top of Qt insofar as KDE uses Qt and it uses gettext. it doesn't use the Qt transltions mechanism at all
[13:26] <dpm> ok, I get it
[13:26] <dpm> (or at least I think I do)
[13:29] <DaskreeCH> ScottK: But Konqueror works better in Gmail than Arora does
[13:29] <DaskreeCH> Arora has bad integration with KDE as well :(
[13:30] <Tm_T> I fail to see what's wrong with slashdot and Konqueror
[13:32] <Tm_T> something to do with comments?
[13:33] <Tm_T> and btw, I'm happy to get good webkit browser in KDE (:
[13:33] <DaskreeCH> how is Rekonq? Anyone tried 0.2 ?
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> Rekonq is in rewrite mode, so it'd be unprudent to include it any time soon
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> it's going to use webkitkde after the rewrite anyway
[13:34] <Tm_T> ...so we could just use Konqueror then?
[13:34]  * Riddell edits Translations/Upstream/KDE/KubuntuTranslationsLifecycle
[13:34] <JontheEchidna> except that webkitkde isn't ready for mainstream use either
[13:34]  * DaskreeCH votes Konqui with aroa being a very visible option
[13:35] <dpm> thanks Riddell
[13:35]  * JontheEchidna likes that too
[13:38] <Riddell> not really the Ubuntu way that, it's always best to pick the best way and go with it
[13:39] <DaskreeCH> There is no best way
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> they all suck equally? :P
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> speaking of, did anybody else know of anything that needs done with Qt aside from those QtWebKit patch cherry picks?
[13:39] <Riddell> they all suck differently
[13:39] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes there's a fix arora wanted
[13:40] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: http://code.google.com/p/arora/issues/detail?id=530
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> I have applied a fix for a crash when dragging things out of arora's window, and where arora tries to load mimetypes that it doesn't know in the browser
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> ah! that's it :)
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> I'm preparing a package to throw at my ppa. If it builds I'll push the packaging to bzr
[13:42] <Riddell> we have bzr for qt packaging again?
[13:43] <JontheEchidna> I made one back in the 4.5.1-0ubuntu4 days but it seems it was forgotten
[13:51] <DaskreeCH> I think having a multihead approach is the best way currently :-(
[13:51] <DaskreeCH> So far in My experience Konqueror sucks the least in that things work but not as intended
[13:52] <DaskreeCH> In WEbkittish stuff so far somethings work as intended other stuff jsut doesn't work at all
[15:19] <maco> Riddell: not everything matches exactly
[15:20] <maco> Riddell: kdepim is r1003305 in trunk
[15:20] <maco> the kollision part of kdegames was accepted but no word on the others
[15:21] <Riddell> maco: do you know if the relevant maintainers have seen the patches?  do you know if there even are active maintainers?
[15:21] <maco> i emailed the patches to martin heno, whose name is in the AUTHORS file for lskat and kfourinarow
[15:22] <maco> (he's the only name)
[15:24] <Riddell> maco: he may well not be active, they've had time to respond so if you havn't heard anything I can just commit them myself
[15:24] <Riddell> and add the patchs to the kubuntu packages
[15:25] <maco> hmm no response from kwrite/kate either, though i sent the patch to the mailing list http://lists.kde.org/?l=kwrite-devel&m=124796128028957&w=2
[15:28] <Riddell> ~twitter update why is the Qt towel still covering me in bits of green fluff
[15:28] <kubotu> status updated
[15:31] <ScottK> DaskreeCH: I'm unconvinced either way.  Arora works better for some things and Konqueror other.
[15:31] <DaskreeCH> ScottK: That's what I said :-P
[15:34] <maco> Riddell: ok i said before that plasma-desktop could now run. it was a fake-out. yesterday it worked, today it does not
[15:36] <seele> when do we need to decide about software inclusion? by the september 10th ui freeze or sooner?
[15:40] <maco> seele: feature freeze, i think
[15:40] <seele> aug 27th then?
[15:40] <seele> we should probably have a meeting then :P
[15:41] <seele> when is the developer sprint? does it make sense to try and do it before then?
[15:41]  * seele looks up the release schedule
[15:41] <nixternal> meetings are fun!
[15:41] <nixternal> I don't have the power to vote no anymore though :(
[15:41] <seele> you can vote in spirit! your spirit just wont matter as much ;)
[15:41] <nixternal> haha, thanks :p
[15:42] <seele> hey.. so what's the deal with the job or reenlisting?
[15:42] <seele> when are you moving to DC? :P
[15:42] <Riddell> seele: I was thinking beta but maybe featurefreeze would be better
[15:42] <Riddell> yes we should have a meeting
[15:42] <seele> nixternal: me and scott will have to take you to the pirate bar
[15:42] <nixternal> no reinlisting now...they wouldn't give me the orders I wanted..they wanted to ship me to VA to be an instructor...homey don't play dat
[15:42] <seele> nixternal: norfolk?
[15:42] <nixternal> doubt I will move out there any time soon
[15:42] <Riddell> canonical sprint is all next week so I may not be around in the evenings (or I may be I don't know the situation)
[15:42] <nixternal> Little Creek, which is just right up the street
[15:43] <seele> ah, so shore duty and no ship assignment? boring.
[15:43] <nixternal> shore duty would have been fine, just not an instructor
[15:43] <seele> Riddell: starting on monday?
[15:43] <Riddell> seele: yes
[15:43] <nixternal> and a Gunner's Mate instructor at Little Creek means Magazine Sprinklers...ie. fire surpression, which I absolutely hated while on the ship in the first place
[15:43] <jjesse> nixternal are you joinin the navy
[15:44] <nixternal> jjesse: not any more
[15:44] <jjesse> ah
[15:44] <nixternal> I turned 35 on Wed. so I don't qualify anymore...considered an old fart like ScottK now :)
[15:44] <seele> Riddell: so the week after then?
[15:44] <Riddell> seele: yeah I think so
[15:44]  * ScottK waves
[15:45] <Riddell> nixternal: you know there's a kde-oldies list for the likes of you :)
[15:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you going to fix kdesudo and kvkbd?
[15:45] <nixternal> I have been considering a career change...either going with business which is what my degree is in, or something totally off the wall
[15:45] <seele> lol
[15:45] <nixternal> Riddell: hah, didn't know that....maybe I can get on there and talk about my Debian Potato box running old arse KDE still
[15:45] <Riddell> ScottK: gah, yes
[15:46] <nixternal> though I haven't booted it up since last year, and boy did it bring back memories
[15:46] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[15:46] <seele> nixternal: do physical security! i have a friend who gets paid to break into high-security government buildings. he has to carry a get out of jail free card with him (it doesnt really say that, it just has a phone number on it)
[15:46] <nixternal> I was going to do that when I got out of the Navy the first time in 1998
[15:49] <DaskreeCH> seele: If it said Get out of jail free I'd consider it more strongly
[15:49] <nixternal> hehe
[15:49] <ScottK> Riddell: Can you check and see if boost1.37 is free of rdepends?  I think it's ready for a removal bug, but you guys seem to be able to find obscure stuff I miss.
[15:49] <DaskreeCH> Ah nixternal Why does nvidia and X suck so bad?
[15:53] <nixternal> don't know, I don't use that proprietary garbage
[15:53]  * DaskreeCH cries bitterly in the corner
[15:55] <Riddell> ScottK: build-rdeps is what should be used, but it doesn't work on Ubuntu
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> is that like reverse-build-depends?
[15:58] <Riddell> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/239372/
[15:58] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yes
[15:58] <Riddell> but from Debian
[15:58] <ScottK> Riddell: We do have reverse-build-depends in ubuntu-dev-tools and I used that.  It's the "Oh, package obscure-lib0 on ia64 hasn't been rebuild since warty and still depends on it" that I miss.
[15:58] <ScottK> I did use reverse-build-depends.
[15:59]  * ScottK thought there was an easy way for people will shell access to discover that.
[15:59] <Riddell> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/239376/
[16:00] <Riddell> so debian-xcontrol foundry and asio  ?
[16:00] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  I think those are either alternate build-depends or I fixed it, but it didn't get updated yet.
[16:00] <Riddell> ok
[16:01]  * ScottK files bug.
[16:01] <Riddell> so next question is binaries on obscure arches that havn't built
[16:01] <Riddell> don't know is the answer, nothing about it in the docs
[16:02] <ScottK> OK.
[16:03] <ScottK> Thanks for checking.
[16:05] <Riddell> maco: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=1005211
[16:06] <maco> Riddell: great, thanks
[16:06] <ScottK> foundry is an alternate too.
[16:06] <ScottK> Riddell: Bug #407388 is you want to, or I could give it to StevenK because he enjoys that kind of thing.
[16:07] <Riddell> ScottK: Friday: JamieStrandboge  he's the archive man for the day
[16:07] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Thanks.
[16:13] <Riddell> maco, seele: how do I comment on review board?
[16:14] <Riddell> and how do I mark that I've committed it
[16:14] <Riddell> and what's the advantage of this over bugs.kde.org anyway?
[16:14] <maco> its for reviewing patches, not triaging stuff
[16:15] <Riddell> bug trackers aren't /for/ triaging stuff, that's just a side affect :)
[16:16] <Riddell> maco: http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=1005224
[16:16] <maco> heh alright
[16:17] <maco> well its supposed to be just patch review, not bug discussion
[16:20] <agateau> Hey, I need some packaging help here
[16:21]  * Riddell spots a troop of ninjas swining in to agateau's rescue
[16:21] <agateau> I am trying to package my very rough indicator applet
[16:21] <agateau> :)
[16:21] <agateau> I create a package for my lib, named libindicate-qt
[16:22] <agateau> and am trying to package my applet (plasma-indicatordisplay)
[16:22] <agateau> but dpkg-shlibdeps does not like me:
[16:22] <agateau> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libindicate-qt.so.0 (used by debian/plasma-indicatordisplay/usr/lib/kde4/plasma_applet_indicatordisplay.so).
[16:23] <Riddell> agateau: something wrong with the shlib stuff in libindicate-qt package maybe?  can you put the packages somewhere for us to look at?
[16:23] <agateau> libindicate-qt is on my brand new ppa
[16:23] <agateau> let me check if it's build yet
[16:24] <Riddell> "This PPA does not contain any packages yet."
[16:24] <agateau> mmm
[16:25] <agateau> wrong syntax for dput
[16:25]  * agateau hides
[16:25] <agateau> funny how dput did not complain
[16:30] <agateau> Riddell: uploading again
[16:33] <Riddell> agateau: #       dh_makeshlibs
[16:33] <Riddell> that needs to be uncommented
[16:33] <agateau> oh
[16:34] <agateau> thanks!
[16:34]  * agateau wonders if it would be better to recreate the package with cdbs
[16:35] <Riddell> agateau: cdbs does make things much easier, but if you're interested in packaging it may still be best to do some debhelper-only packages first to understand what's going on
[16:35]  * ScottK suggests debhelper for the library and cdbs for the application.
[16:35] <Riddell> agateau: version number should be 0.1.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1
[16:36] <Riddell> Standards-Version: 3.8.1   I think 3.8.2 is the current one
[16:36] <ScottK> Yes. 3.8.2
[16:36] <Riddell> agateau: libindicate-qt1.dirs that file isn't needed
[16:36] <Riddell> nor libindicate-qt-dev.dirs
[16:36] <agateau> ok
[16:37] <Riddell> agateau: not "docs" or "dirs"
[16:37] <Riddell> and obviously debian/copyright isn't complete
[16:37] <agateau> enabling dh_makeshlibs does not add any file to the .deb, it's in the metainfo, right?
[16:37] <ScottK> Yes
[16:39] <Riddell> agateau: "LGPL 2.1 or 3" no and later?  (I forget the canonical policy but it's strange not to have and later since LGPL allows for GPL 2 or later regardless)
[16:39] <agateau> about version numbers, I thought it was a good idea to have my initials in it, to indicate where it comes from. Should I use ppa instead?
[16:39] <agateau> Riddell: I followed the choices made on libindicate
[16:39] <agateau> which was originally LGPL3 only
[16:39] <agateau> but added LGPL2.1 to be able to patch more apps
[16:40] <Riddell> agateau: ~ag is fine too
[16:40] <agateau> ok
[16:40] <agateau> but I must add "ubuntu" before
[16:40] <agateau> that's it?
[16:41] <Riddell> yes (for packages with any chance of getting into debian anyway, which ideally this would at some point)
[16:41] <agateau> ok
[16:41] <Riddell> agateau: libindicate-dev (>= 0.1.99) isn't in the archive so it won't build in your PPA unless you make your PPA depend on a PPA that does contain it
[16:42] <agateau> Riddell: didn't I upload it?
[16:42] <agateau> libindicate-dev is in ... indicator-applet (don't ask)
[16:42] <Riddell> agateau: oh I see, so you did
[16:42] <agateau> took me some time to figure it :)
[16:44] <Riddell> libindicate1 depends on libgtk2.0-0 :(
[16:45] <agateau> Riddell: yes, this will be fixed
[16:45] <agateau> hopefully in Dublin
[16:45] <agateau> ultimately it will depend on glib and dbus only
[16:47] <Riddell> agateau: W: libindicate-qt1: package-name-doesnt-match-sonames libindicate-qt0.0.0
[16:47] <agateau> I am not a packager, i guess it shows :/
[16:48] <Riddell> agateau: this is far better than most packages on revu :)
[16:48] <agateau> dh_make did most of the work
[16:48] <agateau> my plasma-indicatordisplay depends on libindicate-qt instead of libindicate-qt1
[16:48] <agateau> any idea?
[16:51] <Riddell> agateau: what's in /var/lib/dpkg/info/libindicate-qt1.shlibs ?
[16:51] <agateau> Riddell: libindicate-qt 0.0.0 libindicate-qt1
[16:53] <Riddell> that should be fine
[16:54]  * agateau rebuilds
[16:55] <agateau> works now
[16:56] <agateau> uploaded!
[17:00] <Riddell> nothing has appeared
[17:11] <nixternal> currently dail !work
[17:42]  * Riddell sets oxygen air as default KDM theme
[17:45]  * ScottK wonders if someone would put together a KDE equivalent of http://davidsiegel.org/distributed-user-testing-archives/
[17:51] <EagleScreen> laptop keys for brightness and suspend does not work in karmic
[17:51] <ScottK> EagleScreen: Sure they do (on my system).  You need to file a bug with the relevant hardware details.
[17:51] <EagleScreen> I did
[17:53] <EagleScreen> is this bug related to HAL?
[17:58] <Riddell> I don't even know if powerdevil handles brightness buttons
[17:59] <ScottK> The do work on karmic on my mini 10v.
[17:59] <ScottK> The/They
[17:59] <ScottK> Not sure what part does it.
[17:59] <nixternal> ditto
[17:59] <nixternal> they work on my other 2 laptops as well
[18:01] <EagleScreen> my laptop is Acer aspire 2920Z: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/403039
[18:01] <Riddell> ScottK: it could just be done in hardware
[18:01] <ScottK> Riddell: True.
[18:02] <ScottK> Although the similar wifi switch doesn't work, so I'm suspecting not.
[18:02] <nixternal> Riddell: ahh, ya...the hardware keys do not effect powerdevil
[18:02] <EagleScreen> powerdevil plasmoid adjust well the brightness
[18:06] <nixternal> none of these darn images are installing for me...not even alpha 3...alpha 3 chokes at grub installation
[18:07] <allee-k> I try tho find out more about bug 390396.  But  bzr branch https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase/ubuntu kdebase-ubuntu   complains method not allowed :(
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> allee-k: try bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu
[18:09] <EagleScreen> other irritating issue is that X crash in Kubuntu at close session to KDM, Bug #371500
[18:10] <EagleScreen> only with kde, xdm is wrong
[18:10] <Riddell> maco: did you submit http://launchpadlibrarian.net/28641540/kde4libs_4.2.95-0ubuntu2.debdiff to anyone?
[18:10] <Riddell> the second change still contains KGuiItem(i18n("&Abort"))
[18:11] <Riddell> and the first one shouldn't need the i18n("Cancel?"), that's the default
[18:11] <allee-k> JontheEchidna: Thx.  So how about using lp: in   VCS-Bzr:  ?
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> fwiw, bzr branch https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase/ubuntu  works for me (tm)
[18:13] <maco> Riddell: dang
[18:15] <allee-k> JontheEchidna: strange. not here.  fwiw: Unable to handle http code 405: Method Not Allowed.   Maybe I'm no kubuntu-member anymore? but lp: worked so lets hunt 390396 :)
[18:16] <JontheEchidna> :)
[18:16]  * JontheEchidna wonders if it works for anyone else
[18:16] <Riddell> maco: how about KGuiItem(i18n("&Abort")) -> KGuiItem(i18n("&Stop Script"))  ?
[18:16] <maco> Riddell: aye
[18:16] <Riddell> maco: groovy, I'll commit that
[18:16] <maco> sorry :(
[18:21] <Riddell> maco: committed!
[18:21] <Riddell> maco: that's them all in now
[18:24] <maco> Riddell: thank you! *hug*
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> btw, what's the status of userconfig?
[18:31] <Riddell> yuriy: ^^ ?
[18:45] <maco> Riddell: wait....crud muffins. did you commit the kdm one? that one wasnt changed to meet ossi's standards yet...and i think there was still debate over where it should be changed to "force quit" or if it should have "force quit" with a message about data loss
[18:47] <Riddell> maco: don't worry, I'm not daft enough to commit to kdm without explicit approval from ossi :)
[18:47] <maco> Riddell: but you committed kdebase stuff in kubuntu
[18:48] <maco> wondering if that was included
[18:48] <Riddell> maco: he committed a couple of the changes to KDM and rejected the rest, so I crabbed the ones he committed for our packages
[18:48] <maco> so we dont not-match
[18:48] <maco> ah ok
[18:48] <Riddell> s/cr/gr/
[18:58] <dajomu> I have and idea, but maybe it already exists. Sometimes it is not possible to boot and load a live-cd and it is difficult to file a bug-report. what about making an option in the boot-menu to verbose all messages to a file on a thumbdrive? Could that be possible or does the usb-drive get detected to late in the boot process?
[19:02] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you going to be able to de-lzma qt4-x11 on armel?  My odds of doing it soonish are low and dropping.
[19:03] <Riddell> wasn't JontheEchidna touching qt4 today?
[19:03] <Riddell> I'm just going out but I'll look at it when get back
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> shell scripting is my secret weakness, so if somebody has some de-lzma'ing script I can integrate it
[19:04] <Riddell> it's not shell scripting.  it's shell scripting mixed with Makefile
[19:04] <Riddell> a combination with all the elegance of objective cobal and none of the simplicity
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> heh
[19:15]  * ryanakca scratches his head and wonder's why Amarok's "We recommend you install blah for added functionality" removes amarok under karmic....
[19:22] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm just checking out kubuntu you still get that authorization dialog on startup of the livecd
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: when you get back, I've pushed my changes to https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu
[20:10] <davmor2> Guys when you click on the friends tab on the opendesktop.org plasmiod is it meant to shrink to the size of the word friends?
[20:14] <davmor2> Riddell: what's up with the live cd the manifest is dated the 24th on todays image :(
[20:14] <davmor2> 201 updates
[20:32] <Riddell> NCommander: JontheEchidna thinks you're just the man to help with his kgraphviewer problem
[20:32] <Riddell> davmor2: hmm, dunno, I'll look when I get a chance
[20:34] <JontheEchidna> NCommander: if you're interested, my kgraphviewer package is at http://jmthomas.toniox.org/www/kgraphviewer_2.0.2-kde4.3.0-0ubuntu1.dsc , and the FTBFS is http://paste.ubuntu.com/239840/
[20:42] <JontheEchidna> yay, arora drag-n-drop crash confirmed fixed with the patch
[20:56] <seele> Riddell: wow, you've been busy. is that all of mackenzie's patches now?
[20:56] <maco> seele: aye
[20:57] <seele> awesome!
[21:41] <davmor2> ScottK: is there an email set up somewhere with a virus (none harmful of course) that could be used to test that clam-av removes it?  Can't test it right now but it would be useful for testing another time.
[21:53] <neversfelde> davmor2: I am using eicar Testvirus for this
[21:54] <davmor2> neversfelde: ta :)
[23:55] <EagleScreen> what about a ubuntuone-client for Kubuntu?
[23:57] <neversfelde> see Launchpad