[00:04] ricard1: kpersonalizer iirc [00:04] but you'd better use stuff like compcache [00:09] thank you I'll try it. [00:10] hay alguien [00:17] K3B is telling me my writable DVDs are not writable. What can I do about this? [00:28] helow [00:29] anywhere know a dovecot config? [00:29] i try do a mail server [00:29] default_mail_env = maildir:/usr/local/virtual/%u/ -> is wrong... and i don't know why [01:04] hi === root is now known as Guest80018 === noquinho is now known as Leigo-Total [01:16] Whenever I backspace when nothing is there to erase (no matter the application I'm using. It even does it in terminal) This really loud and annoying AAANNNNNTTTT plays. Is there anyway to turn this off? [01:19] Bryan_Sierra: this might help: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/07/26/turning-off-the-system-hardware-beep-linux-tutorial/ [01:21] JontheEchidna, it's not the pc speaker [01:21] it comes from the speakers [01:21] and when I had my headphones on [01:21] comes through them [01:21] really really annoying to be listening to some loud music and then all of a sudden BAAAHHHHHNNNNTTTT [01:22] hmmm [01:23] what's the keyboard shortcut to show the menu bar on konsole [01:24] racecar56: hm, there seems to be no default set... [01:24] Fanfare_: not fun as i accidentally disabled the menu bar D: [01:25] racecar56, if you click in the black bit of the terminal [01:25] racecar56: rightclick in terminal [01:25] show menu [01:25] thanks [01:27] any ideas? [01:27] if it helps, even when I mute the master channel it does it [01:28] oh [01:28] YAY [01:28] figured it out [01:28] yippie [01:28] Bryan_Sierra: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation. [01:29] Alright, JontheEchidna here is how I fixed it in case anyone comes in and has this same issue. Kmixer has a "PC Beep" channel. If you just mute that, it goes away. [01:30] huh, interesting [01:33] Any advice on mounting a USB storage device (actually a media player) that doesn't seem to be getting mounted automagically? [01:34] Trying to compile Songbird. Extracted the tarball with Ark, But when I run ./configure I get "comand not found" [01:36] The device doesn't show up in fdisk -l, but it does show up in lsusb [01:38] Dragnslcr: does it offer itself as a storage? could be a daap or so device... just a clue [01:39] I get "USB Mass Storage support registered." in the syslog, so the system knows about it, it just isn't getting added to /dev [01:40] Dragnslcr: maybe its somehow blacklisted in hal... [01:41] Dunno why, but maybe. Know offhand how to check? [01:41] get the usb device id from lsusb [01:42] could somebody with KDE running quickly answer [01:42] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397985 [01:42] "How do I change the default web brower in Kubuntu from Konqueror to Firefox?" [01:44] Fanfare_- yup, I've gotten that. I've never done anything with a HAL blacklist, so I don't know how/where it's kept [01:48] sladen go to system settings/default applications [01:50] Dragnslcr: could u paste last lines of /var/log/messages whilöe attaching usbdrive? [01:50] Fresh install Jaunty can't get ./configure to work, must be missing something? [01:51] Fanfare_- this is actually from dmesg- http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/237773/ [01:51] bochi- did you make sure that the file exists and is executable? [01:55] I extracted to a folder and it looks like all the files are there. One is "songbird.bin" I go to that folder and run sudo ./configure and get "command not found:. [01:56] bochi: Since you're familiar with it, could you reply to the user in question (the bug report has been converted to a question) [01:56] bochi: eg. what do you do after clicking on "default applications" [01:56] bochi- is there a file in that directory names "configure"? [01:59] Dragnsler no "configure there" [02:00] There you go then [02:00] There should be a README or INSTALL file that will give you instructions. You might also try the site that you got the program from [02:01] Of course, you should always check the repositories before download programs yourself [02:01] sladen Web Browser/default component/ enter Firefox "in the following brewser [02:01] Dragnslcr: hm, i dont know, there is the partitioncheck missing... [02:02] Dragnslcr: whats the usbid? [02:03] Fanfare_- looking for this line from lsusb? "Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0e21:0801 Cowon Systems, Inc." [02:05] Dragnslcr: looks devicespecific http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/unable-to-mount-cowon-d2-iaudio-607204/ === derrick is now known as D-Master [02:12] Fanfare_- it's worked fine more recently than that thread. Can't remember exactly, but something broke within the past few months. Dunno if it might be a kernel or KDE issue [02:14] Dragnslcr: think its a kernel issue then, as dmesg does not show any partitions on that device... [02:14] evening all [02:16] i right clicked on firefox icon and tried to create a luncher. now it dosent work. HELP [02:16] Bleh, figures. Thanks anyway [02:19] please [02:42] * ross_ is away: Gone away for now [02:42] * ross_ is back. === dio is now known as Guest67547 [02:52] Question RE: Festival TTS. Anyone here have experience? === Guest67547 is now known as dio === dio is now known as Guest97996 [02:54] I'm new to Kubuntu. What do you all use for PPTP/L2TP clients? [02:54] When I try to import pgp keys for a ppa in packagekit, it never sees my file. What extension do I have to save the pgp key as for it to recognize there is a key to import? [02:55] ltwally: whatever is in the repos [02:55] shanepardue: not special extension [02:56] shanepardue: the ones I see are .gpg files and .gpgkey files [02:56] darthanubis: repos? [02:57] JontheEchidna: gpg did it, thanks! [02:58] For some reason I couldn't think of it and packagekit doesn't let you ignore extensions [02:59] !repositories |lwally [02:59] lwally: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories === anthony is now known as Guest39741 [02:59] hallo [03:00] can you tell me [03:00] what is official version of linux kernel [03:01] I have four blocked updates [03:02] Republika_Srpska: If by "official" you mean latest stable release of the kernel, it is 2.6.30.3 [03:02] ah. I was hoping for actual feedback on people who use l2tp/pptp in kubuntu. [03:02] I use repo form Serbia [03:03] from [03:03] thanks though [03:03] 2.6.28.11.15 [03:03] kernel [03:04] why am I still on 2.6.28 [03:04] Which distro are you using? [03:05] Kubuntu 9.04 [03:06] Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months and they don't upgrade the kernel to the most recent version until that new release comes out [03:06] <_gtt_> anyone know of anything specific to beware of updating to kde 4.3rc3 ? [03:06] OK [03:06] _gtt_: Awesomeness === Guest97996 is now known as dio_ [03:06] thank you [03:07] <_gtt_> i already got it started, it sounded good... but sometimes things go awry and I'd like to prevent it. [03:08] I'm really digging 4.3 === dio_ is now known as dio [03:08] <_gtt_> no hiccups on the install? i'm looking forward to some of the bug fixes === dio is now known as Guest20232 [03:09] Nope..it upgraded just fine and I haven't found any problems other than packagekit freezing the first time I open software sources..from then on, it doesn't freeze === fran is now known as Guest22763 [03:10] <_gtt_> anyone know how i can disable the additional informational icon (the blue circle, white i) in the notification area from appearing when kopete displays desktop notifications? [03:10] is there anyone who can help me with printer installation xerox [03:11] <_gtt_> shanepardue: or do u know if thats fixed in 4.3? [03:12] I'm not sure..I am able to remove it from the tray if that answers your question [03:12] Oh wait, maybe I can't. [03:12] I couldn't tell you [03:12] how can get back the desktop panel [03:13] Guest22763: Add the folder view widget [03:13] <_gtt_> shanepardue: not the kopete program itself, but when a friend signs on/off, it temporarily adds a blue circle with a white "i", which forces my area to be resized, along with the rest of my taskbar [03:13] _gtt_: I haven't seen that in 4.3 [03:13] <_gtt_> sweet [03:13] <_gtt_> i look forward to that being gone [03:14] It's still there in 4.3, but it's always there, so at least you won't have the resizing issue [03:14] quien me ayuda a instalar un impresor xerox que esta en red [03:14] <_gtt_> Dragnslcr: that useless icon?! === Guest22763 is now known as fran_ [03:14] hello [03:15] <_gtt_> why not just reuse the existing icon thats already on that notification area? [03:15] alguien [03:15] If it's specifically the signon/signoff notifications that bother you, you can disable them in Kopete [03:15] fran si yo [03:15] <_gtt_> i like the desktop pop-up alert, the annoying blue useless icon that resizes my task bar I havent found a way of disabling separately. [03:15] bueno ayudame entonces hairold [03:16] The "i" icon is the notification icon, so it's used by most KDE apps (Kopete, Konversation, etc.) [03:16] jejeje cual es tu problema [03:16] <_gtt_> i dont think it needs to show up for a desktop alert. [03:16] sorry solo me rio de que estoy tratando encontrar algun ispano [03:16] !es [03:16] En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [03:16] no puedo imprimir en una xerox que tengo en red [03:16] I was wondering if anyone knew if there is a way to get the appearance of windows in kwin to look similar to the appearance in compiz? [03:17] no problem man is weired ha [03:17] la reconoce sin ningun problema la instala aparentemente [03:17] pero cuando imprimes sale solo basura [03:18] <_gtt_> okie, maybe i can catch it where it shows up and tell it to hide it [03:18] <_gtt_> i'm gonna give it a shot [03:18] te fuiste por instalar desinstalar programas? [03:18] _gtt_- looks like it's part of the System Tray, and I can't see any way to get rid of it [03:18] !es | hairold [03:18] hairold: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [03:19] sorry thanks [03:20] si hairold [03:20] pero no instala bien [03:20] tienes alguna alternativa [03:20] o eres novato igual que yo [03:21] bueno algo, pero creo que te puede funcionar el desintalarlos e intalarlos nueva vez, luego reiniciar la pc, me fui no quiero otro boche, [03:21] !es | fran_ [03:21] fran_: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [03:21] ubottu como demonios hago eso? [03:21] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:22] ese nombre parese de bolsa tu me excusasç [03:26] ubottu sorry man you misunderstand, i am not who has problems with english, any way i speak italian french english and spanish and a little portuguese [03:26] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:28] well i will tried in spanish maybe there i will find an answer [03:29] fran_: Are you looking for an Italian channel? [03:29] or not. [03:32] where can I grab the beta iso [03:32] or is the new kubuntu still alhoa [03:32] alpha [03:32] Pretty sure karmic is still in alpha [03:33] http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-karmic-alpha-3 [03:33] !karmic [03:33] Karmic Koala is the codename for Ubuntu 9.10, due October 2009 - Karmic WILL break - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1 [03:34] Hello [03:34] สวัสดีครับ [03:36] am relatively unexperienced and having trouble installing nvidia controler in 9.04, please pm me if you think you might be able to help [03:42] when i install nvidia drivers and and restart the startup freezes at "checking battery status [03:44] this happens with both the driver that the device maneger finds and the newer driver dated june 28 dwnloaded directly from nvidia [03:50] is there anyone here? Im seeing nothing but server messages. [03:56] asdfghjk, uninstall the the driver you downloaded from nvidia before you install the default kubuntu driver (prolly the nvidia-glx-180) , depending on your card. [03:57] asdfghjk, are you at a tty prompt ? [03:58] im in windows on my laptop, i cant even get kubuntu to boot now, have reintalled about 5 times today [03:58] asdfghjk, live cd ? [03:59] do you mean to say uninstall the default before installing the downloaded? [03:59] yes [03:59] which package adds "Keyboard & Mouse" to systemsettings? [03:59] without a full KDE desktop i only have "Multimedia" in that category [04:00] asdfghjk, no uninstall the dl'd driver if it's installed , if you can dod that from the tty prompt or live cd [04:00] dod=do [04:01] pm BlueKag pls to avoid the distractions of other conversations [04:01] Hey guys, anyone got any ideas on getting Avahi working properly in 9.04? [04:01] HollowPoint: what's not working about it? [04:01] asdfghjk, most likely the live cd since I don't think you have a completed install [04:02] not a complete install? [04:02] were you using kubuntu at all previous to this problem ? [04:02] it was upgraded from 810 [04:02] ok [04:03] ToHellWithGA: Well I work in a mostly mac environment, but I hate Macs, I need to use iChat/Bonjour in order to communicate with the other members of staff, I get no buddies showing up in Pidgin, Kopete, Empathy or for that matter any other chat client I try to use with Bonjour, the avahi-browse .... etc shows no buddies and avahi-discover shows nothing either [04:03] how would i tell if it is complete? [04:03] so you're familiar with the command line then [04:04] BluesKaj: Was that question/statement aimed at me? [04:04] little bit enough to install th driver. but not much more [04:04] sorry HollowPoint , no [04:04] np [04:05] HollowPoint, try konversation if you want irc , amsn if you wany IM [04:05] I'm in IRC, I use aMSN for MSN, but I NEED to be able to use the Bonjour/LinkLocal protocol to communicate with other staff members on campus [04:05] that's a bummer, man [04:06] how do i go about removing the driver that is causing the prob without reinstalling? [04:07] I should explain here I'm a 3rd line IT engineer specialising in Unix/AIX based systems and Cisco Networking, unfortunately for me I've never previously needed to have much to do with IM services, now I desperately want to shed the mac book I have sat next to me, now ONLY used for iChat and I can't get Avahi to work, from googling it seems there are issues with it and IPv6 as well in Jaunty [04:07] asdfghjk, do you recall the driver number , like 180 or some such ? [04:08] asdfghjk: are you having a problem with an NVIDIA driver? [04:08] one was 180 something, the latest was 185.18.29 [04:08] what's wrong with macs? [04:08] both had the same problem [04:08] I just don't like them, I get angry when I can't modify things like I can in Linux/Other Unix based systems [04:09] yeah , that's the latest version of the 180 driver for most nvidia cards [04:09] asdfghjk: there are instructions available through a quick google search on "how to completely remove nvidia driver linux" [04:09] i have 2 260 in sli [04:09] sorry HollowPoint , Iknow very little about what you are trying to do [04:10] np BluesKaj me either [04:10] i run all kinds of stuff on my macbook [04:10] thanks hollowpoint [04:10] First time I've been in an entirely mac environment [04:10] what do you miss so much from linux? [04:10] I run all kinds on the mac book I have here, but I prefer my Linux laptop [04:10] running out of battery? [04:10] i am more interested in making them work than just eliminating them though [04:11] I miss things like Yakuake being available for terminal, I miss being able to actually use Bash with proper Bash commands, I HATE the fact that the Mach kernel is buggy, pathetically weak and doesn't error report properly, it's almost like working with MS [04:11] i really like running os x and trying to port linux things to it rather than dealing with its default set of stuff [04:11] i cant even watch movies wth the default driver [04:11] install macports and bash [04:11] there's your bash [04:11] asdfghjk, can you get to a TTY prompt by doing ctrl+alt+F2 on your linux machine ? [04:11] yeah except you still can't use the bash commands properly in MacOSX because OSX won't respond to the commands [04:11] Ill try now [04:11] asdfghjk: to get back ctrl+alt+f7 [04:12] brb [04:12] in case you want to come back to GUI land [04:12] don't think has a gui to get back to [04:12] assuming asdfghjk is using a GUI IRC client (: [04:12] what is asdfghjk actually trying to do? [04:12] cant even boot [04:12] oh lawdy [04:12] bummer [04:12] nevermind then [04:12] it freezes at check battery status [04:12] have you tried using the alternate installer CD? [04:13] in the startup [04:13] damm laptops [04:13] watch your language young man, this is a family place [04:13] try anyway , it might be far enuff into the boot sequence [04:13] it installs fine till i try to install a driver for nvidia [04:13] there's that recovery console option in grub [04:13] ok going now [04:13] brb [04:14] my first port of call would be alternate installer CD, next would be install 8.10, then upgrade to 9.04-Hybrid and it should keep things working through the upgrade process. Then install the NVIDIA drivers [04:14] ToHellWithGA, ...interesting youshould say that , with your nick :) [04:14] yes but my nick is a tradition and your frustration with laptops is just an expletive [04:15] it wasn't an expletive because he didn't spell it right ;) [04:15] it was the policy in other ubuntu channels to keep things as tame as possible [04:16] usually is here because we get kids, where are you from though ToHellWithGA if you consider that word expletive? [04:16] i haven't been around in several days though, i guess that may have changed [04:16] when [04:16] where isn't really a big deal [04:17] you're trying to tell me you're an older generation? [04:17] to hell with expletives :) [04:17] i'm from a time when people considered cursing just enough of a big deal that they saved it for when it actually meant something [04:17] not that much older [04:17] well, I'm 66 and cranky as hell so I have the right :) [04:18] back [04:18] i don't think IRC channels help anyone get less cranky [04:18] in tty [04:18] true [04:18] do i need to su? [04:19] asdfghjk, now what driver did you install exactly , do you recall ? [04:19] 186.18.29 [04:19] 185 [04:19] that's the proprietary driver you downloaded ? [04:19] yes [04:19] i wonder if he coudl get into x using VESA [04:20] s/dl/ld/ [04:20] most likely [04:20] it would make things go more smoothly with the exception of graphical eye-candy [04:20] the vesa driver is built into the Jaunty Kernel I believe, so would be worth a try [04:21] from a functional DE he could then installenvyng [04:21] i still need to install a driver that will at least let me watch movies [04:21] s/lle/ll e [04:21] you can do that from a lazy man's tool [04:21] unless you really love fighting with things [04:22] there's a package called envyng-qt which let's you pick your driver [04:22] s/let's/lets [04:22] it is bedtime for me [04:22] too many typos in too little time [04:22] y'all have a good night [04:22] i allready tried 2 drivers [04:23] ok asdfghjk , sudo aptitude remove nvidia-glx-185 , dunno if this is correct driver but try anyway [04:23] 2 drivers that the tool picked for you by detecting your hardware? [04:23] picking one is not a prob, its getting them to work [04:23] or 2 that you arbitrarily picked [04:23] if you want to do it the cowboy way instead of the easy way i'm sure you'll learn a lot more === starcraft is now known as starcraftman [04:24] i had great luck with envyng-gtk getting 3d acceleration on my grandmother's pentium ii laptop with an old ATI card [04:24] \the first was ver 180 something that the device manager in kubuntu found by itself and offered to install [04:25] i'm not saying it's foolproof, but if it can figure out such old, dull junk it can probably handle the recent stuff as well [04:25] peace out [04:25] the second is the one the nvidia website says is correct for my cards [04:25] asdfghjk, we need to know your nvidia card model to find the correct default driver to install from the repos , lspci | grep -i vga [04:25] I set up a framebuffer console via vesafb, but when I try to use it together with splash then it won't work: I get a splashscreen but when I switch to a console I get a blackscreen... [04:25] evga geforce gtx 260 [04:26] i have the right drivers [04:27] it might make a difference that have the 64 bit ver of kubuntu [04:28] the file that i have from nvidia i [04:29] is " NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-185.18.29-pkg2.run [04:30] " [04:30] asdfghjk, sometimes the nvidia driver don't work with updated versions of the OS due to the kernel modules taking over from X === ubuntu is now known as zman === zman is now known as dude6 [04:31] hello [04:31] but i also tried the older one that kubuntu downloaded automatically and offered to install [04:31] suposedly checked and approved [04:32] afk 1 min [04:32] <_gtt_> anyone using arora? [04:33] back [04:34] i guess no one else has had a similiar problem === roger_ is now known as MrSmurfing [04:36] is there anything else (other driver) i can try, the default driver cant display a dvd at anything much bigger than postage stamp size smoothly. [04:40] asdfghjk, if you installed the DL'd driver first , it has to be removed before the default driver will work [04:41] the first install becomes the default [04:41] i had the default driver first [04:42] did you remove it before installing the DL'd one ? [04:42] Hallo [04:42] then kubunto offered to install a tested and approved nvidia driver [04:42] Anyone knows what nvidia did to mess up X ? [04:42] it locked up on start up so i reinstalled kubuntu [04:43] skreech, nothing ...X is practically depracated [04:43] asdfghjk: Full lockup? [04:43] no [04:43] BluesKaj: Deingrated is more like it [04:43] froze at checking battery status [04:43] well, not working or doing much [04:44] but crtl alt del worked [04:44] I'm Getting a can't find module type1 and can't find module freetyp [04:44] freetype [04:44] <--- tired, can't think anymore ...sacktime for me [04:44] sorry I couldn't help more , asdfghjk [04:45] thanks for trying to help [04:45] too late [04:45] hes gone [04:45] :-) [04:45] asdfghjk: What's the problem? [04:46] when i try to install a nvidia driver then reboot the reboot stops a checking battery status [OK] [04:47] and doesnt continue [04:47] asdfghjk: can you get to a VT ? [04:48] im new at this is VT command line? [04:48] asdfghjk: where are you now? [04:48] im in mexico if that is what you mean [04:48] asdfghjk: I meant are you on Linux or a Live CD or Windows? [04:49] or im on my laptop in windows if that is [04:49] asdfghjk: ok Hmm ok too hard to explain then [04:49] laptop has hd too small to dual boot [04:50] Oh? [04:50] how big? [04:50] about 300g [04:50] * skreech chuckles [04:50] the prob is on mt desktop [04:50] 4 tB [04:51] asdfghjk: ah what's the problem over there? nvidia ? [04:51] yes [04:51] 2 gtx 260s in sli [04:52] and with the default kubuntu driver i cant even watch a dvd except in a really small size [04:52] ha [04:53] I take it you went to the nvidia site and got the driver from there? [04:53] first the one kubuntu offerd to install when it detected my cards [04:54] and when that one didnt work i went to th nvidia site and downloaded the latest, 2 days old now [04:55] it failed in the same way [04:56] asdfghjk: well I don't think it killed the whole process I think that it just stopped X updating. [04:57] yea i can get into command line [04:57] I don't have any GUI right now since the nvidia driver did something stupid but I can be in here to get (and give) help :) [04:57] asdfghjk: install irssi and pastebinit then [04:58] but i dont know how to get rid of it without reinstalling kub, no prob about 30 min [04:58] but i have reinstalled a lot of times today trying different things [04:59] and the fact remains that the default driver is not even close to good enough [05:00] asdfghjk: how to get rid of the nvidia driver? [05:00] do you suppose that the sli could be the problem? [05:01] asdfghjk: Possibly I couldn't tell you. I'm not a Video Card Hidh end fan [05:01] High [05:01] ive been doing that by reinstalling the operating sytem [05:01] asdfghjk: You can just type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh [05:02] ive found that for me the second card doent make any noticable difference, ive considered just putting it in another computer [05:03] asdfghjk: a quick search of SLI and Jaunty should give you some answers [05:03] that will reinstall the default video driver? [05:04] just type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh [05:05] yes [05:05] thanks that will be easier than reinstalling the os after each experiment [05:06] as i said before im pretty new at this [05:08] asdfghjk: You will learn more as you go at some point there is no error you can't recover from given tools another computer and a network [05:08] but if i cant get a better drivre working im just not going to be able to use kubuntu on my best machine [05:08] It may be way faster to reinstall sometimes :) [05:09] i do have 4 computers and a network [05:09] asdfghjk: well get the rubbish driver working and copy /etc/X11/xorg.conf to your home directory [05:09] then you can start to play around [05:10] If things break badly you can just copy it back to /etc/X11/xorg.conf and run sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart and you will be ok again [05:10] what will that do? [05:10] ok [05:10] what will what do? [05:11] i didnt read all of the message before talking [05:12] asdfghjk: almost all of UNIX settings are in a file so if you want to reset something you just move a file out. You want it back youmove it back again [05:12] ok thanks [05:12] ill be back in a min my wife calls [05:15] so you can get things ih vanRijn [05:15] urk [05:15] hi vanRijn [05:15] ok got to go [05:16] thanks for helping skreech [05:16] OK [05:16] bye [05:17] asdfghj is not much of a nick but it is really easy to type, i was in a hurry ill probably use something different when i come back [05:17] Ha ha :) [05:18] I was wondering about that [05:18] ill try to get back tomorrow if i see you i will say hi. [05:18] Ok === Byron_ is now known as Byron [05:30] where's a good place for a noob like me to find a tutorial about how to use the terminal? [05:30] terminal of what? [05:30] the command terminal [05:30] *konsole [05:31] I'm trying to download a shockwave plugin and i need to know how to navigate to a certian file by using the terminal [05:31]