[00:01] <ziroday`> Is plymouth in by default now?
[00:06] <yofel> ziroday`: karmic won't have plymouth cause it takes too long to initialize, and the devs plan to have karmic boot in ~10s
[00:08] <ziroday`> yofel: really? Where was that decision made?
[00:17] <yofel> ziroday`: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=NzI5NQ
[00:23] <ziroday`> yofel: how odd, I was under the impression that plymouth was decided to be used in karmic. Must of been reading wrong :)
[00:24] <yofel> ziroday`: it was indeed planned for karmic, but on the UDS they changed their opinion
[01:15] <billybigrigger> anyone here using xfce?
[01:16] <Twigathy> yes
[01:17] <Twigathy> although I didn't install xubuntu-desktop...
[01:17] <billybigrigger> me either
[01:17] <billybigrigger> you ever had usb problems with it?
[01:17] <billybigrigger> it doesn't seem to want to recognize my digi cam
[01:17] <Twigathy> nope, although I don't have a lot of USB devices (card reader, mouse and USB -> Serial widget)
[01:17] <Twigathy> odd
[01:17] <Twigathy> Does it not automount it when you plug it in?
[01:18] <Twigathy> (Probably under /media/splargh)
[01:18] <billybigrigger> nope
[01:18] <billybigrigger> nothing
[01:18] <billybigrigger> not listed in fdisk or in /media
[01:18] <Twigathy> nothing in dmesg at all?
[01:18] <billybigrigger> but my video camera gets detect
[01:19] <billybigrigger> ed
[01:19] <billybigrigger> just not the digital camera
[01:19] <Twigathy> :S
[01:19] <billybigrigger> lookin in dmesg now
[01:19] <billybigrigger> *facepalm* should have taken the video cam to the zoo, not the digi cam :P
[01:20] <billybigrigger> using the same cable to plug them in
[01:22] <billybigrigger> Jul 30 18:20:20 cabo kernel: [263290.680599] usb 1-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 16
[01:22] <billybigrigger> Jul 30 18:20:20 cabo kernel: [263290.816045] usb 1-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[01:22] <billybigrigger> that's it
[01:36] <Darkr> Does anyone happen to know what is replacing powernowd in Karmic?
[01:37] <Darkr> powernowd used to be a part of Ubuntu but it's no longer in Karmic I've noticed.
[01:40] <Darkr> If I understand correctly.  The "ondemand" frequency scaler that is built into the kernel is replacing powernowd.  Correct?
[01:43] <DanaG> heh, aside from the off-center icon, the new-old gnome brightness thingy is relatively nice.
[01:44] <Darkr> I want to disable frequency scaling.  There is a bug with my mobo where it crashes the OS if it's done.  Before, I could just remove powernowd, now I can't.
[01:47] <DanaG> hmm, you can blacklist cpufreq_ondemand module.
[01:47] <DanaG> At least, I think that's what it is.
[01:49] <yofel> DanaG: the governors are now compiled into the kernel so that won't work
[01:50] <Darkr> Can I disable 'ondemand' with rcconf or will that not work either?
[01:51] <yofel> Darkr: the default governor on boot is 'performance'. After boot into runlevel 2 /etc/rc2.d/S99ondemand sets it to ondemand after 60 seconds
[01:51] <Darkr> yofel, that's very interesting.  You see, approximately 60 seconds after I boot, I get a white screen of death.  However it runs okay up until that point.
[01:52] <Darkr> In Hardy, I removed powernowd and that remedied the problem.
[01:52] <Darkr> I think it's just my crappy motherboard which freaks out whenever CPU freq scaling is used.
[01:52] <yofel> Darkr: yeah, I remember powernowd too, but the config was changed in jaunty
[01:53] <Darkr> Is there anything I can do to disable cpu freq scaling all together in Karmic?
[01:54] <yofel> hm, not that I know of, but I'm no expert at this either
[01:54] <yofel> Darkr: since this is kernel stuff you could ask in #ubuntu-kernel
[01:55] <Darkr> Will #ubuntu-kernel answer questions about Karmic (since it's still in dev)?
[01:56] <yofel> Darkr: afaik yes
[01:56] <yofel> but something else
[01:56] <yofel> did you already get a white screen in jaunty?
[01:56] <Darkr> yofel, I haven't tried Jaunty.  I'm dual booting between Hardy and Karmic.
[01:57] <DanaG> ugh, nexuiz has horrible input lag.
[01:58] <yofel> hm, well, I think you should to remove the initscript from the runlevel with update-rc.d and maybe the kernel devs know a way to disable cpufreq completely
[01:59] <Darkr> yofel, I just now found this: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7602572
[01:59] <Darkr> I'll try it.
[01:59] <Darkr> brb
[02:04] <DanaG> oh yeah, and if you stand still for even, say, 2 seconds... it hurts you and tells you not to camp.
[02:04] <DanaG> Or sometimes, it'll even tell me that while I'm actually moving around!
[02:11] <Darkr> Okay.  I was able to disable ondemand with rcconf.  I don't want to celebrate just yet though.
[02:12] <Darkr> If I can get 30 minutes of uptime with no white screen of death, I'll be happy.
[02:13] <DanaG> hmm, does the motherboard have the same issue in Windows?  If so, you have reason to complain to the manufacturer.
[02:13] <Darkr> DanaG.  It doesn't appear to.  I don't know if Windows XP has cpu freq scaling or not.
[02:15] <DanaG> It does; it's just disabled by default.
[02:15] <Darkr> I'm 99% certain it is a motherboard flaw though.  I tried looking for a BIOS update, but I couldn't find any for my exact board.
[02:19] <Darkr> It's an MSI motherboard.  The weird thing is that they make the same motherboard (under the same device name) with different brands of BIOS.  The board is an MS-7093 and there is a Phoenix BIOS version (the one I have) and an Award BIOS version of the board.
[02:19] <Darkr> MSI's website only has BIOS updates for the Award version.
[02:23] <Darkr> So far it appears to work perfectly.  I'm at 18 minutes uptime (longest ever on Karmic) with no white screen of death.  =)
[02:25] <hiyo777> how do i install ubuntu on a coputer without an Operating System
[02:27] <Darkr> hiyo, you just put the disc in and go.  An OS doesn't already need to be installed to use Ubuntu.
[02:30] <yofel> hiyo777: another thing: this is the support and discussion channel for the devlopment release of ubuntu (currently karmic koala 9.10), support for jaunty and other stable releases is in #ubuntu
[02:31] <BluesKaj> hiyo777, ubuntu IS an operating system
[02:33] <zj3t3mju> hi
[02:33] <zj3t3mju> when my karmic startup, it show a window to enter password for mounting /dev/sdb2
[02:34] <zj3t3mju> but I don't want to mount that
[02:34] <zj3t3mju>  /dev/sdb2 not in fstab
[02:34] <yofel> zj3t3mju: known bug, just click cancel for now
[02:34] <zj3t3mju> yofel: thanks
[02:35] <zj3t3mju> :|
[02:35] <yofel> zj3t3mju: bug 396448
[03:06] <leleobhz> karmic still with problems about telepathy and msn about network error?
[03:07] <leleobhz> i have 2 messengers, one with custom email, another with @hotmail
[03:07] <leleobhz> @hotmail get network error, custom mail works..
[03:07] <xtknight> where can i get old karmic releases for testing?
[03:07] <xtknight> alphas or dailies
[03:10] <billybigrigger> xtknight, you want to do a clean install or upgrade?
[03:10] <billybigrigger> upgrading from jaunty is easy
[03:11] <xtknight> billybigrigger, i want to test a regression in karmic and see where it started happening
[03:11] <billybigrigger> leleobhz, are you up to date? i had that problem back in A2
[03:11] <billybigrigger> xtknight, i read that wrong :P
[03:11] <xtknight> so it would be nice to have alpha1,alpha2 or even versions in between so i can install in my VM
[03:11] <xtknight> :)
[03:12] <xtknight> well, my cd burner shows up in brasero under Jaunty, but not under Karmic.  no clue why.
[03:12] <xtknight> in brasero, that is...it always works on the command line and it's mountable
[03:12] <leleobhz> billybigrigger, last update 10 minutes ago
[03:13] <billybigrigger> xtknight, no idea, tried a torrent site somewhere maybe?
[03:13] <xtknight> yeah noone posts ubuntu cuz it's free
[03:13] <xtknight> well, few
[03:13] <billybigrigger> xtknight, i would have suggested cdimage.ubuntu.com but i can't find anything your looking for
[03:14] <xtknight> i found a virtualbox 9.10 kubuntu alpha 2 appliance
[03:14] <xtknight> that's better than nothing
[03:15] <russel> Alpha 1 and Alpha 2 iso are here:  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing
[03:16] <xtknight> the release notes but the download links are broken
[03:16] <billybigrigger> the iso's are hosted on cdimage, and they're gone
[03:16] <russel> I see now
[03:16] <russel> sorry
[03:16] <billybigrigger> geez russel
[03:16] <billybigrigger> :)
[03:16] <xtknight> lol
[03:16] <xtknight> it seems like they would keep the other two
[03:16] <billybigrigger> you'd think they might
[03:16] <xtknight> i understand not keeping all the dailies or even the old versions i guess
[03:16] <billybigrigger> but, on the other hand might also cause more problems than good
[03:17] <billybigrigger> having people download the old isos and complaining something doesn't work, when it's fixed in the newest release
[03:17] <xtknight> yeah imagine the karmic alpha 1 support call lol
[03:17] <billybigrigger> dailys from A1 to now would be quite the collection
[03:17] <xtknight> yeah i've seen some crazy things
[03:17] <xtknight> i mean gnome keeps practically every release
[03:18] <xtknight> with all their code it's probably pretty big
[03:18] <xtknight> but very nice for development and debug
[03:19] <xtknight> i'm just going to try against Debian testing to see if it has the problem
[03:20] <xtknight> does anyone else here have cd writer problems?  empty media not being detected?
[03:41] <DanaG> wtf... I can't drag panel applets with middle button?
[03:41] <DanaG> That's screwed up.
[03:44] <nhasian> xtknight, yes brasero doesnt dectect media right now...
[03:45] <DanaG> yargh, stupid gnome-panel regression.
[03:45] <nhasian> xtknight, i filed a bug report both on launchpad and bugzilla
[03:49] <rleeds> Anyone use erlang-mode in emacs? I just noticed my Erlang menu in gtk emacs is empty. Don't know since when.
[03:50] <DanaG> Oh, and I removed FUSA, to get my logout and shutdown items back.
[03:50] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/337775
[03:51] <billybigrigger> i thought brasero was fixed like last week
[03:54] <DanaG> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402528
[03:55] <DanaG> "Out of curiosity, why would we want this configurable?  Why don't we just disable the behavior? " -- this is exactly my gripe with Gnome devs.
[03:56] <billybigrigger> prefering to disable something over configuration? :P
[03:57] <andresmh> for some reason scrolling by touching the right side of my touchpad stopped working :(
[03:58] <DanaG> Same for me... something's trashing my edge threshold settings on the fly.
[03:59] <billybigrigger> oooooh! new 64bit flash released :D
[03:59] <andresmh> boo
[04:00] <DanaG> I use the nspluginwrapped one so I can killall -9 npviewer.bin, without taking down the whole browser.
[04:00] <billybigrigger> http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/libflashplayer-10.0.32.18.linux-x86_64.so.tar.gz
[04:00] <billybigrigger> for those who are interested
[04:00] <andresmh> oh wow, flash 64!
[04:00] <andresmh> how is it performing billybigrigger
[04:00] <billybigrigger> dunno, installing now
[04:00] <billybigrigger> :P
[04:01] <andresmh> i'd be curious if full screen still tears
[04:03] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[04:04] <billybigrigger> not working so well so far haha
[04:04] <billybigrigger> *** NSPlugin Viewer  *** ERROR: /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[04:18] <ubuntu> is there a way to update to Karmic Koala from Jaunty Jackalops ?
[04:20] <rleeds> ubuntu, yeah. look it up. it's straightforward. do so at your own risk though.
[04:20] <ubuntu> how bad can it be ?
[04:21] <ubuntu> i broke my system around 2 times in the last day and formated like 6 so far
[04:21] <ubuntu> my nickname is ubuntu cause i am using the live CD to format as we speak
[04:22] <ubuntu> installation finished, i'll be back in a while
[04:23] <leleobhz> LOL
[04:23] <leleobhz> i have good experiences with karmic... but fresh install
[04:28] <mac_v> guys... why is the grub.cfg a read-only file [even for root]?
[04:30] <billybigrigger> it was designed that way
[04:30] <billybigrigger> !grub2
[04:30] <billybigrigger> lots of info on that wiki page for editing grub
[04:30] <billybigrigger> anything in particular your wanting to do?
[04:32] <mac_v> nah...nothing in particular... i just temporarily change the permissions to reduce the timer and rearrange the order.. , was just wondering why it was read-only... makes it 1 step more to edit the file
[04:32] <DanaG> Did you read the comments at the top?
[04:32] <DanaG> top of grub.cfg, that is.
[04:33] <mac_v> DanaG: the "Do not edit the file" ?
[04:33] <billybigrigger> haha yeah
[04:33] <DanaG> yeah, edit the stuff in /etc/grub.d and /etc/default/grub instead.
[04:33] <billybigrigger> it's not meant to be editied
[04:34] <billybigrigger> and run sudo update-grub after your changes to those files
[04:34] <billybigrigger> everything you want to know about grub2 is in that wiki
[04:34] <mac_v> ah... thanx... i never realized that!
[04:34] <billybigrigger> haha usually when something says "do not edit" it usually means, don't edit it
[04:34] <billybigrigger> period
[04:35] <mac_v> just thought it was a , a regular warning :( ! :face-palm:
[04:39]  * billybigrigger slaps mac_v with a huge rolled up RTFM poster
[04:39] <billybigrigger> haha :P
[04:40]  * mac_v ReadingTFM
[04:56] <mac_v> wow... grub2 has so many options... \o/
[05:00] <xtknight> nhasian, thanks
[05:00] <xtknight> nhasian, i am still investigating it
[05:00] <xtknight> bug # please?
[05:00] <billybigrigger> mac_v, if your reading that wiki page, i'm sure i haven't even touched on HALF of grub2 :P
[05:02] <billybigrigger> G2 doesn't even support themeing yet, once that hits that will be my main focus for that page...but who knows when G2 will support it, and if it even makes it into karmic
[05:02] <xtknight> lol what bugs me about grub2 is the second index of the drive changing to 1
[05:02] <xtknight> hd(0,0) is now (hd0,1)
[05:02] <nhasian> xtknight, no worries i just want my cd burner back hehe
[05:03] <xtknight> nhasian, yeah i spent 5+ hrs trying to look at the source code today.  traced it down to gio and gvfs i think but beyond that phew i have no idea... it is a rat's nest in there
[05:03] <leleobhz> people with touchpad having trouble with click-on-pad ?
[05:03] <nhasian> its because hal is being depreciated right?
[05:04] <leleobhz> mine dont work, i must to use buttons
[05:04] <billybigrigger> why?
[05:04] <xtknight> yeah
[05:04] <billybigrigger> partition's now match, i find it easier
[05:04] <xtknight> but nhasian, i tried the brasero with hal and it still didnt work
[05:04] <leleobhz> grub 0.97 is unsupported now
[05:04] <billybigrigger> sda1 = 0,1 sda3 0,3
[05:04] <x1250> guys, I know skype isn't really supported here, but I wonder if anyone is having problem with flash and skype. I can't get audio from both at the same time.
[05:04] <xtknight> hal is being deprecated in favor of gio for drive detection in brasero
[05:04] <leleobhz> and #grub dont support it :]
[05:05] <leleobhz> billybigrigger, my update-grub from some day until now duplicate some entries on my menu
[05:05] <maccam94> why is firefox 3.0 in karmic?
[05:05] <mac_v> x1250: flash WFM , havent tried skype
[05:05] <billybigrigger> maccam94, by the time karmic is released, default WILL be 3.5
[05:06] <nhasian> maccam94, a few more things need to be finished before Firefox3-5 is the default browser.  soon though
[05:06] <billybigrigger> leleobhz, have you checked your /etc/grub.d/ for duplicate entries?
[05:06] <maccam94> billybigrigger: is /usr/bin/firefox a symlink to 3.5 or stlil 3.0?
[05:06] <maccam94> nhasian: stuff like ubufox?
[05:06] <x1250> mac_v, I have no problems with flash alone, just with skype
[05:06] <leleobhz> billybigrigger, 00_header  05_debian_theme  10_linux  20_memtest86+  30_os-prober  30_otheros  40_custom  README
[05:06] <mac_v> ah.. ok
[05:06] <billybigrigger> leleobhz, you'll have to look inside those files
[05:07] <leleobhz> ill
[05:07] <nhasian> maccam94, i remember reading a todo list on the web, dont remember where it is now
[05:07] <billybigrigger> update-grub reads and processes all those files in order, starting wtih 00, then 05, 10 etc
[05:07] <nhasian> maccam94, but you can have both versions of firefox installed at the same time
[05:07] <mac_v> leleobhz: 30_os-prober  30_otheros ? these 2 do the same
[05:07] <maccam94> ah
[05:07] <maccam94> nhasian: i know, but i want it to launch firefox 3.5 when i run "firefox" :-\
[05:07] <maccam94> i guess i can mess with the symlink
[05:07] <mac_v> leleobhz: the "otheros" is the old buggy one
[05:08] <nhasian> since i started usin grub2 i always have to run "sudo update-grub" after upgrading to a new kernel
[05:08] <nhasian> maccam94, no but you can run it with firefox-3.5
[05:08] <maccam94> is there any group working on taking screenshots of applications?
[05:08] <leleobhz> right... otheros is buggy
[05:08] <nhasian> maccam94, for synaptic?
[05:08] <maccam94> nhasian: i know, but i'm always just going to click on the existing icons. i'll just fix the symlink
[05:08] <xtknight> why doenst windows show up in grub2
[05:08] <maccam94> nhasian: yeah
[05:08] <maccam94> didn't finish that thought haha
[05:09] <mac_v> xtknight:  the "otheros" is the old buggy one
[05:09] <xtknight> mac_v,  so do i need to put stuff in 40_custom?  i have already figured the code to make my windows boot
[05:09] <mac_v> xtknight: no need .. Bug #402795
[05:09] <maccam94> for a split second i got excited thinking i was using grub2 in my new karmic box, but then i remembered i upgraded. is there a guide for upgrading to grub2?
[05:10] <xtknight> ah k
[05:11] <mac_v> nhasian: you have to install firefox3.5-gnome-support
[05:11] <mac_v> nhasian: that will make firefox3.5 the default
[05:12] <nhasian> nasser@iphone69:~/bin$ apt-cache policy firefox3.5-gnome-support
[05:12] <nhasian> W: Unable to locate package firefox3.5-gnome-support
[05:12] <DanaG> firefox-3.5'
[05:12] <DanaG> er, there's a dash there.
[05:12] <mac_v> hehe
[05:13] <nhasian> nasser@iphone69:~/bin$ apt-cache policy firefox-3.5-gnome-support
[05:13] <nhasian> firefox-3.5-gnome-support:
[05:13] <nhasian>   Installed: 3.5.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[05:13] <nhasian>   Candidate: 3.5.1+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[05:13] <DanaG> sudo dpkg-divert --local --add --rename /usr/bin/firefox
[05:13] <DanaG> that'll make it not trample on your own symlink.
[05:14] <DanaG> Then re-make the firefox-3.5 -> firefox symlink.
[05:14] <leleobhz> someone know a package that provides firefox?
[05:14] <leleobhz> i want to remove firefox but i dont want to broke ubuntu-netbook-remix package
[05:14] <maccam94> leleobhz: why are you removing firefox? space issues?
[05:14]  * leleobhz using and very very very happy with midori
[05:15] <leleobhz> maccam94, no, because it sucks
[05:15] <maccam94> oh well why not just remove the icons?
[05:15] <maccam94> or just leave it alone
[05:15]  * leleobhz think firefox have seriously problems...
[05:16] <leleobhz> maccam94, space problems too... im notting using, and my 16Gb SSD drive dont support too much
[05:16] <maccam94> i suppose you could just delete the installed firefox files...
[05:16] <maccam94> although you'd still get updates for the package :-\
[05:16] <maccam94> ...unless you locked the version
[05:19] <leleobhz> leleobhz@luana:~$ df -h | grep sda6
[05:19] <leleobhz> /dev/sda6             3,3G  2,9G  157M  95% /
[05:20] <maccam94> should system-config-printer-udev be installed by default?
[05:20] <leleobhz> maccam94, this is a problem too..
[05:20] <leleobhz> but firefox is a target to remove because i dont use it
[05:21] <maccam94> i think you could lock the version in synaptic and then remove the actual firefox files, thereby preserving the metapackage...
[05:23] <leleobhz> i prefer a metapackage... ill do this someday
[05:37]  * syn-ack put the Beatles - Live at the BBC vinyl on.
[05:38] <syn-ack> Lets dance while we hack, folks. :D
[05:40] <SeveredCross> Has there been any reports of Alt-F2 not working?
[05:40] <SeveredCross> Hmm, interesting.
[05:40] <SeveredCross> Nothing with the left alt modifier works.
[05:40] <SeveredCross> Alt-F1 is broken too.
[05:41] <syn-ack> SeveredCross, Last I checked it works here
[05:41] <SeveredCross> Bah.
[05:41] <SeveredCross> Might just need an update/
[05:44] <mac_v> SeveredCross: doesnt work for me too... fully-updated
[05:44] <SeveredCross> mac_v: Bah.
[05:44] <SeveredCross> I blame metacity.
[05:44] <SeveredCross> Actually, it's probably the panel.
[05:45] <SeveredCross> Considering metacity's not running at all.
[05:45]  * mac_v didnt file a bug , just has other bugs to worry about
[05:56] <billybigrigger> SeveredCross, what is alt-f1 supposed to do?
[05:56] <maccam94> there's a bug in firefox 3.5 in karmic
[05:57] <billybigrigger> alt-f2 lauches the run dialog for me
[05:57] <SeveredCross> billybigrigger: Open up the System menu.
[05:57] <SeveredCross> Neither work.
[05:57] <billybigrigger> is that a gnome thing? i'm in xfce
[05:57] <SeveredCross> I'm chalking it up to some transient nonsense, will see if it's borked again after restart.
[05:57] <SeveredCross> Yes, it's a GNOME thing.
[05:57] <maccam94> if i search wiki something in 9.04, it'll take me straight to the wikipedia page
[05:57] <maccam94> in karmic it takes me to the new custom google search page
[05:58] <SeveredCross> maccam94: Yeah, that's multisearch.
[05:58] <SeveredCross> It's not a bug, it's a feature.
[05:58] <SeveredCross> You can disable it by disabling the "Multisearch" addin.
[05:58] <maccam94> ...what's the advantage of multisearch?
[05:59] <billybigrigger> there is no advantage
[05:59] <billybigrigger> it's a way for canonical to make some extra dough and collect your search information
[05:59] <maccam94> oh :-\
[05:59] <billybigrigger> yeah :-\ is right
[05:59] <billybigrigger> more like :-O
[05:59] <maccam94> couldn't they have just done that for the google search box instead of crippling functionality?
[06:00] <billybigrigger> i'm sure they could have
[06:00] <maccam94> or is that mozilla's cut?
[06:00] <syn-ack> billybigrigger, No worries, they can make as money as they want off my pr0n inquiries
[06:00] <maccam94> is there a bug report? or discussion page or something?
[06:01] <syn-ack> maccam94, if you dont want it, use the upstream version
[06:01] <billybigrigger> discussion on the topic is everywhere
[06:01] <maccam94> syn-ack: it creates a functionality issue, which i think is valid for a bug report/technical discussion
[06:02] <syn-ack> I dont mean to sound like an ass, but I'm sure it's Canonical's stand on the subject
[06:02] <maccam94> i don't care how they redirect google searches, but i don't want them messing with my awesomebar
[06:02] <syn-ack> and honestly, which this being their distro, I'm fully backing it.
[06:02] <maccam94> and i'm sure 95% of their users would agree
[06:02] <maccam94> i'm totally cool with them making money, just not at the cost of functionality
[06:03] <syn-ack> Man, I am really starting to no longer like Bit Torrent
[06:04] <maccam94> syn-ack: what about it?
[06:04] <syn-ack> maccam94, The fact that half the up loaders turn their sharing to .000000000000000000000001 and screws with my completing a download
[06:05] <maccam94> block bitlord then?
[06:05] <syn-ack> bitlord?
[06:05] <syn-ack> go on... :)
[06:05] <billybigrigger> syn-ack, agree with your partially ther
[06:06] <billybigrigger> there
[06:06] <maccam94> i'm pretty sure azureus has a minimum 1.0 (or at least .5) ratio for autoremoval
[06:06] <maccam94> bitlord is an evil bittorrent client
[06:06] <billybigrigger> they could have at least told the users about it, not sneak it in an update
[06:06] <maccam94> it hoards download bandwidth and does not upload
[06:06] <syn-ack> maccam94, ah
[06:06] <billybigrigger> they're totally snuck it in and tried to pass it off to users who are knew, don't know much better
[06:07] <syn-ack> I mean, I use Transmission but I at least share some of my upstream
[06:08] <billybigrigger> canonical should have went about getting "multisearch" installed in a different way, the idea behind it is great, but don't sneak it in an update and not tell anyone, and then avoid the questions that users have on the mailing lists...poor taste
[06:08] <maccam94> syn-ack: try to find torrents with more seeders...?
[06:09] <maccam94> billybigrigger: yeah. i think there are better ways of doing it that don't impede functionality, and i would be totally ok with them setting up the custom search by default for the homepage and google search box
[06:11] <ghindo> billybigrigger, It would have been nice if they included a more thorough changelog...
[06:12] <billybigrigger> for sure, but disabling the functions of google, and trying to pass it off as google, is not the right way of going about things, and not making it known to people, hoping people don't notice! like geez, make it known that people are installing this plugin, or give them an option, but there's no documentation, and when confronted about it on the mailing lists, the dev who i won't say, totally avoided answering any questions
[06:12] <billybigrigger> , like a big cover up
[06:12] <syn-ack> What did they disable?
[06:12] <billybigrigger> ghindo, exactly! there was no mention of it anywhere, they hoped it would sneak in under the radar and no one would notice
[06:12] <syn-ack> I'm not trying to play into anything, I'm really interested
[06:13] <billybigrigger> you can't search google video/images with the multisearch
[06:14] <syn-ack> Ah, see, I google news as my homepage so I just go from there
[06:15] <billybigrigger> i think the no documentation pissed off more people than the actual revenue, data tracking
[06:15] <maccam94> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.5/+bug/402767/comments/24
[06:15] <billybigrigger> and the fact of it being a "dirty tactic" like some other OS we won't mention
[06:16] <SeveredCross> I honestly couldn't care less what Canonical knows about my searching habits, but the LOF and underhandedness of it all ticked me off.
[06:16] <billybigrigger> SeveredCross, roger
[06:16] <mac_v> !multisearch
[06:16] <maccam94> that comment i just linked to is a rather thorough explanation (from canonical i believe)
[06:17] <maccam94> the extension will only be installed through alpha 4
[06:18] <nztal> billybigrigger, what did canonical do ?  the google search bar in firefox is setup to do something other than a normal google search ?   i noticed it was somewhat different, but i wasn't sure how.  any way to change it back to standard results ?
[06:18] <billybigrigger> that's been heavily edited since last time i saw it :P
[06:18] <syn-ack> billybigrigger, for the better or worse?
[06:19] <DanaG> billybigrigger: another thing: they put it in the firefox package,  not in a separate package...
[06:19] <billybigrigger> those are not the answer's that were given after it was released
[06:19] <DanaG> so as a user of firefox-3.5... I never even saw that piece of changelog.
[06:19] <DanaG> "oh, firefox... I don't use that.  I use 3.5."
[06:19] <mac_v> i was surprised too
[06:19] <billybigrigger> :P
[06:19] <DanaG> I used the search box to.... what the hell is this?
[06:19] <DanaG> that was my reaction.
[06:19] <maccam94> billybigrigger: what did it originallt say?
[06:20] <mac_v> bug #406893
[06:21] <billybigrigger> The custom search thing is currently the easiest way for us to gather
[06:21] <billybigrigger> the data we want to get from this experiment.
[06:21] <billybigrigger> A newtab implementation - if it was done - would be configurable and
[06:21] <billybigrigger> far more powerful than what you see now. The current state is just a
[06:21] <billybigrigger> quick pitch for the test we wanted to do in alpha3.
[06:22] <maccam94> yeah that comment was posted earlier
[06:22] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and new-tab search.... duuude, there's already a way to do that.
[06:22] <DanaG> LOOK IN THE OPTIONS DIALOG!
[06:22] <DanaG> Don't go overriding my specific preference!
[06:22] <DanaG> That's what the extension does: it specifically OVERRIDES my "new tab is blank" preference.
[06:23] <DanaG> Good manners would be this: change the default setting, so anyone who hadn't changed from the old default would see the new default.
[06:23] <mac_v> :/
[06:23] <billybigrigger> seems like there was alot more negative backlash than what they were expecting :P
[06:23] <DanaG> And same for the rather sucky search page.  I'd be fine with a tweaked logo, but the functionality is a major regression.
[06:24] <DanaG> My solution: I didn't just disable the extension... I dpkg-diverted the files out of the way!
[06:24] <billybigrigger> whatever the case is, they went about the whole thing the wrong way
[06:24] <syn-ack> DanaG, .... wow man
[06:24] <syn-ack> personally, I think you lot need to take a breath.
[06:24] <mac_v> +1 to billybigrigger
[06:24] <syn-ack> YES it sucks, they DID do it wrong
[06:25] <syn-ack> BUT
[06:25] <DanaG> Overriding user preferences is bad, always.
[06:25] <syn-ack> BUT
[06:25] <DanaG> Same theme in my (no need to repeat) rants about notify-osd.
[06:25] <billybigrigger> DanaG's just worked up over his touchpad threshold :P
[06:25] <DanaG> Yeah, something's been trampling on that, too.
[06:25] <syn-ack> file a bug report fix it to how you like and just be done with it
[06:25] <syn-ack> Thats just my 2 cents though
[06:26] <billybigrigger> i'm sure they're still sorting out filed bugs against that from last week :P
[06:26] <syn-ack> Heh
[06:26] <syn-ack> more than likely. heh
[06:26] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the gnome devs seem not to realize that people might want both two-finger AND edge-scrolling.
[06:26] <DanaG> They have options to choose between the two... but not an option to have both.
[06:27] <syn-ack> Honestly, any more when I go to file a bug and if theres something already there about it and I have the same general issues and arch and such, I wont even file nor confirm
[06:28] <syn-ack> esp if there are a metric buttload of people who have
[06:28] <DanaG> "Select the touchpad scroll method. Supported values are: 0 - disabled, 1 - edge scrolling, 2 - two-finger scrolling"
[06:29] <DanaG> ./modules/common/gpds-touchpad-xinput.c:    {GPDS_TOUCHPAD_EDGES,                      "Synaptics Edges",                       G_TYPE_INT,  32, 4},
[06:30] <syn-ack> DanaG, Well, I dont know if this is going to matter to you but guess what there is now an update for?
[06:30] <DanaG> Yeah, I saw the new preferences pane.
[06:30] <DanaG> =synclient RightEdge=5100 TopEdge=1500 LeftEdge=1650 BottomEdge=4700
[06:30] <DanaG> er
[06:30] <DanaG> sorry, altgr is right next to context-menu.
[06:31] <DanaG> 'þ' is AltGr-t, and Paste as Plain Text is context-menu 't'.
[06:34] <DanaG> I also wish Apple hadn't bought and killed Fingerworks.   (it's a googleable term.)
[06:34] <DanaG> Oh, and google has started bothering me, too:
[06:34] <DanaG> search for Three Letter Acronym, you get:   "these results do not include the word Acronym.  click here to see only results that include it."
[06:35] <DanaG> Of course, that's not a query that that'd apply to, but it gets the point across.
[06:40] <SeveredCross> What the...
[06:40] <SeveredCross> Anyone notice that jQuery is now a dependency of a basic Ubuntu system?
[06:40] <DanaG>     Auto-adjust edges if values fall outside queried min/max ranges. (#21001)
[06:40] <SeveredCross> As in, the Javascript library.
[06:40] <DanaG> xorg bug 21001
[06:41] <SeveredCross> python-apt depends on it.
[06:41] <DanaG> nope...
[06:41] <DanaG> (trying to dig up bug link; I'll swtich to PM.)
[06:41]  * SeveredCross is confused.
[06:41] <maccam94> can standard touch pads do two-finger scrolling yet?
[06:41] <DanaG> My old laptop could do real 2-finger... but my new one can't.
[06:42] <DanaG> Stupid Synaptics has started disabling the feature when OEMs don't specifically pay for the gesture ability, it seems.
[06:42] <DanaG> s/Stupid/Damn/
[06:42] <DanaG> =.t
[06:42] <DanaG> =þ
[06:42] <maccam94> :-(
[06:48] <DanaG> Is it just me... or is this backwards?
[06:48] <DanaG>     tapButton1 = priv->has_left ? 0 : 1;
[06:48] <DanaG>     tapButton2 = priv->has_left ? 0 : 3;
[06:48] <DanaG>     tapButton3 = priv->has_left ? 0 : 2;
[06:59] <DanaG> synclient -m 10
[06:59] <DanaG> Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?
[07:03] <SeveredCross> I thought it was supposed to be on by default from now on.
[07:03] <SeveredCross> Slash unnecessary
[07:04] <DanaG> wow, the defaults on this touchpad really are unusable.
[07:04] <DanaG> The scroll area is about 2 millimeters wide.
[07:05] <DanaG> Okay, 3 millimeters.
[07:06] <SeveredCross> Hmm, lots of things broken in Compiz.
[07:06] <SeveredCross> Focus follows mouse isn't working either.
[07:07] <DanaG> y'know, I think I'll file a bug about that really-narrow scrolling area, perhaps.
[07:08] <DanaG> I just tried the defaults by moving my fdi file out of the way... and the defaults are rather unusable.
[07:08] <DanaG> Once you get used to even fake 2-finger scroll, it sucks to go back.
[07:08] <DanaG> Especially when the edge scroll region is only 3 millimeters wide.
[07:12] <chris4585> is the karmic alternative ISO alpha 3 suppose to install the desktop? or should I download the karmic-desktop ISO?
[07:12] <syn-ack> chris4585: the alt disk can literally install any of the versions
[07:12] <syn-ack> wow, let me finish typing first
[07:13] <billybigrigger> haha
[07:13] <mob> mornin all
[07:13] <syn-ack> sup mob
[07:13] <syn-ack> MOB RULES!
[07:13] <syn-ack> err, I digress
[07:14] <mob> karmik a no go on an acer travelmate 220
[07:14] <mob> lol
[07:14] <mob> hangs after login
[07:14] <syn-ack> I know I'm jinxing it but dammit, there's nothing broken here. I'm bored
[07:15] <DanaG> Oh yeah, so the gnome touchpad preferences thingy pales in comparison to the Windows one.  =þ
[07:15] <syn-ack> mob: So what arch, etc are you running
[07:15] <mob> well that acer got probs
[07:15] <mob> im on 2 boxes
[07:15] <billybigrigger> mob, gnome/gdm?
[07:15] <mob> jaunty
[07:15] <billybigrigger> maybe try kdm or xdm? xfce?
[07:15] <mob> wasnt an option .. no cd
[07:16] <SeveredCross> syn-ack: Fix Compiz for me?
[07:16] <mob> guess i could add the iso as repo
[07:16] <SeveredCross> Considering that neither Alt-F2 nor Alt-F1 work.
[07:16] <SeveredCross> There was another thing broken, but I can't remember what now.
[07:17] <SeveredCross> Oh, Focus Follows Mouse doesn't work either.
[07:17] <SeveredCross> At least Do works though. <3
[07:17] <mob> got a dlinkwsomthing 2340 wireless that works in w$ and has worked in linux , but dont now
[07:18] <DanaG> The Windows one even gives a GUI for adjusting touchpad boundaries.
[07:18] <mob> that acer got a intel 82830m gcc ..... nuff said ther
[07:18] <mob> e
[07:18] <syn-ack> mob: not really, its not
[07:20] <mob> k  its probably the worst video card/chip i ever worked with in any os
[07:20] <syn-ack> I give up
[07:20] <mob> ;]
[07:21] <mob> @ sever dose ctrl alt bksp work?
[07:21] <billybigrigger> ctrl-alt-bkspace is disabled by default now...has been for awhile
[07:21] <mob> try a copy of mint lol
[07:22] <SeveredCross> object :-P
[07:22] <SeveredCross> Bah.
[07:22] <SeveredCross> Time for bed.
[07:23] <mob> bed is for reality which is virtually nonexistant
[07:23] <mob> deep thoughts by mob
[07:25] <DanaG> odd, my touchpad itself is sucky... z goes only up to 77.
[07:26]  * mob looks for the askii gens
[07:30] <SeveredCross> exit
[07:30] <SeveredCross> Woops, wrong term.
[07:31] <mob> lol
[07:32] <chris4585> I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself, I have a bad connection, but is the karmic alternative ISO alpha 3 suppose to install the desktop? or should I download the karmic-desktop ISO?
[07:32] <SeveredCross> Alternative ISO won't install a desktop system unless you tell it to.
[07:33] <chris4585> no wonder then, It kept failing at "select and install software" so it inly installed the base system
[07:33] <chris4585> thanks SeveredCross thats all I needed
[07:35] <x1250> chris4585, you can always install ubuntu-desktop package to get all the packages
[07:36] <chris4585> x1250, I could of, but my sources.list was set for the cd
[07:37] <chris4585> I didn't know how to change or update my sources.list
[07:37] <mob> not that hard in gui .. im lost in cmd line
[07:38] <x1250> chris4585, you can use this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/238397/
[07:38] <chris4585> x1250, thanks for your help
[07:38] <Oli```> Should I be removing devicekit or should I wait until the package forcing it out (devicekit-power) is fixed?
[07:46] <kklimonda> Oli```: you can remove it
[08:09] <Gumby> hi all, is there a way in koala to rescan hdd partitions and auto add OS's to the grub boot menu?
[08:09] <mac_v> Gumby: $sudo update-grub
[08:09] <Gumby> hrm... that didnt seem to add it
[08:10] <mac_v> Gumby: windows is missing?
[08:10] <Gumby> yeah
[08:10] <mac_v> Gumby: bug #406893
[08:10] <Gumby> ah weird... found it this time
[08:10] <mac_v> Gumby: hehe... it was fixed recently
[08:11] <Gumby> yeah, but I just did it like 5 mins ago
[08:11] <Gumby> hehe
[08:12] <Gumby> anyhow... thanks a lot.  I've got to reboot into windows now  :(
[08:12] <mac_v> oops i gave you the wrong number!
[08:13] <mac_v> Bug #402795
[08:32] <indus> hi folks
[08:32] <indus> i took the plunge yesterday to alpha 3 :)
[08:49] <indus> this is slow and sluggish for me'
[08:49] <indus> karmic
[08:49] <indus> daily build
[08:49] <indus> 30 july
[08:51] <andresmh> How do I run a specific command automatically after waking up from suspend?
[09:07] <dupondje> hello
[09:07] <dupondje> :D
[11:43] <fuzzybunny69y> hey everyone I am having major problems with my sound. It has been happening ever since Intrepid and it seems to be even worse in Karmic when I play a song it will start playing fine and then when i skip to the next song it will just freeze up the program. The driver is snd-hda-intel and ICH8 variant of it. The codec it is using is Realtek ALC262 and then it also lists Conexant ID 2c06 and I am using a Sony Vaio VGN-CR520D.
[11:43] <fuzzybunny69y>  If anyone can help that would be great!
[11:47] <mac_v> ah... all my icons disappeared! now i have no icons anywhere!
[12:36] <Ng> is anyone else seeing weird gnome-power-manager behaviour in karmic atm?
[12:36] <Ng> after the devicekit removal and devicekit-power upgrade
[12:42] <dupondje> lol
[12:42] <dupondje> gnome crashed :s
[12:46] <dupondje> hmz
[12:46] <dupondje> new flash player for x64 :)
[12:53] <dupondje> gnome-settings-deamon crashed :( restarted it, but all screens looks ugly now :(
[13:05] <dupondje> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin.
[13:05] <dupondje> :'(
[13:09] <aboSamoor> dtchen, is there any hope that bug 278648 will be fixed with karmic ?
[13:19] <mac_v> Ng: what exactly ? I'm having problems after todays update too
[13:20] <holzmodem> after update, missing context menu icons... is it a known bug?
[13:20] <mac_v> ^ for me too...
[13:20] <Ng> holzmodem: I've noticed that, not filed a bug yet or checked for one :/
[13:21] <Ng> mac_v: g-p-m seems to be forgetting all its settings and handling them incorrectly, my screensaver and suspend just keep going off while I'm typing
[13:21] <mac_v> Ng: ah... then i'm not going crazy... :P ... having all those problems
[13:21] <Ng> ok
[13:22] <mac_v> holzmodem: not only context , if you restart X, all icons are lost , from applications everywhere
[13:23] <holzmodem> I already restarted my system, only context icons are gone
[13:24] <mac_v> ah... for me icons are not shown anywhere :(
[13:27] <Armageddon> i would like to try Karmic Koala but i have 2 OS on my laptop and im afraid it wont let me go into the other OS
[13:28] <mac_v> Armageddon: you shouldnt have any problems accessing other OS , grub2 has options
[13:29] <mac_v> Armageddon: i have 3 apart from Karmic
[13:29] <Armageddon> mac_v: the website says otherwise
[13:30] <Armageddon> i read the website about the alpha 3 release and they said there is a problem with the grub2 and windows
[13:30] <mac_v> Armageddon: where? i installed the Alpha3  , it works well ,
[13:30] <mac_v> that has been solved
[13:30] <mac_v> Armageddon:  Bug #402795
[13:31] <Armageddon> mac_v: any other know issues ? and i mean major ones
[13:31] <mac_v> Armageddon: dont do today's updates
[13:31] <Armageddon> :/
[13:32] <Armageddon> i will be upgrading from Jaunty Jackalops
[13:32] <mac_v> Armageddon: if you have space , install Karmic on a separate partition, and use the same /home for both
[13:33] <Armageddon> that would be hard for me
[13:33] <Armageddon> i'm not that expert
[13:33] <mac_v> Armageddon: its simple... the installer allows that option
[13:34] <Armageddon> i think that would be really hard downloading Karmic Koala at the moment, cause when the download finishes you will release your beta version
[13:34] <holzmodem> which update brakes the icon thing?
[13:35] <Armageddon> anyway i will be waiting for the beta version and then i will upgrade
[13:35] <Twigathy> O_o
[13:35] <mac_v> holzmodem: you filled the bug? bug # pls
[13:35] <holzmodem> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-July/005347.html <<?
[14:14] <mostafa> can anyone help me how to add a menu in Grub2.0?
[14:16] <bazhang> mostafa, you using Karmic 9.10?
[14:16] <mostafa> bazhang :no Jaunty
[14:16] <bazhang> mostafa, then #kubuntu
[14:17] <mostafa> 9.04
[14:17] <mostafa> u mean the kernel version?
[14:18] <bazhang> mostafa, no this channel is for Karmic 9.10
[14:37] <rsk> hey
[14:37] <rsk> screensaver is activating 20minutes in
[14:37] <rsk> even thou i have removed screensaver* packages
[14:38] <mostafa> bazhang : where should i go to ask this question plz ?
[14:38] <rsk> #ubuntu
[14:39] <bazhang> mostafa, #kubuntu
[14:40] <e-jat> can some one triage bug 404546
[14:40] <mostafa> :(( i ask there but they siad go and ask this in ubuntu
[14:40] <rsk> run lsb_release -a and pastebin the output
[14:40] <bazhang> mostafa, #kubuntu is the correct channel
[14:41] <Pici> #kubuntu for grub2?
[14:41] <bazhang> its in jaunty repos, he is using kubuntu
[14:41] <e-jat> ?
[14:56] <Oli``> Wow k3b has had some MAJOR work done to it since jaunty's version
[15:23] <sinan> what is the "paper cuts" ?
[15:24] <ruslanr> sinan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut
[15:30] <sinan> ruslanr: thanks
[15:59] <natewiebe13> anyone know anything about hardware resetting when trying to use it?
[15:59] <natewiebe13> for example a printer
[16:01] <natewiebe13> i have a lexmark x4270.. in jaunty i used the z42 driver and it worked just fine.. but in karmic, when i used the z42, the printer resets when trying to print, but doesnt print
[16:04] <natewiebe13> also, with a sansa clip, it continually connects then resets
[16:04] <natewiebe13> should i file a bug report? or does anyone know anything about this?
[16:43] <carldani> hi
[16:45] <carldani> is anyone able to fix the FAQ about the next release? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions#Releases%20and%20Version%20Numbers
[16:49] <EagleScreen> carldani: i will check it
[16:50] <carldani> EagleScreen: thanks!
[16:54] <BluesKaj> konqueror still loses the cursor on some pages , I'll have to check more closely
[16:56] <apw> anyone know how you define the options used to mount a specific device under karmic?  there used to be a device and volume tag on each device properties page ... which has gone
[17:02] <moustafa> Is there any screenshots released for ubuntu 9.10?
[17:09] <BluesKaj> moustafa, it looks much the same as 9.04
[17:09] <BluesKaj> depends on your desktop options
[17:11] <EagleScreen> carldani: done
[17:18] <Seren__> Hi, I am on Karmic and software-properties-kde does not launch
[17:18] <Seren__> it does not seem there is a bug associated to this behaviour
[17:18] <Seren__> am I the only one ?
[17:20] <coz_> Seren__,  mm  I am not running kde right now...  did you update then dist-upgrade to see if anything has changed?
[17:20] <Seren__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/239528/
[17:20] <Seren__> I did both, it seems to be a path or python issue
[17:20] <BluesKaj> Seren__, try the menu/software sources
[17:21] <coz_> Seren__,  ok that looks like it is broken... you may want to report this as a bug
[17:21] <Seren__> systemsetting -> software souce does not work either
[17:21] <Seren__> it is same thing either from packagekit or system settings
[17:25] <Seren__> (what is the command to report a bug associated to a package, like "xxx sofware-settings-kde" )
[17:26] <billybigrigger> Seren__, $ ubuntu-bug <package>
[17:26] <Seren__> thx billy
[17:26] <billybigrigger> np
[17:27] <billybigrigger> Seren__, tried launching it in a terminal? it might give you some output as to why it's not launching
[17:27] <Seren__> see my paste bin
[17:27] <Seren__> http://paste.ubuntu.com/239528/
[17:27] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:~$ sudo apt-cache search QtCore
[17:27] <billybigrigger> libqtcore4 - Qt 4 core module
[17:27] <billybigrigger> libqtgui4 - Qt 4 GUI module
[17:27] <billybigrigger> python-qt4 - Python bindings for Qt4
[17:28] <billybigrigger> do you have libqtcore4 installed?
[17:28] <BluesKaj> Seren__, does apt or aptitude work in the cli ? and check your sources.list
[17:28] <billybigrigger> if so what about python-qt4?
[17:28] <Seren__> python-qt4:
[17:28] <Seren__>   Installed: 4.5.2-0ubuntu1
[17:28] <Seren__>   Candidate: 4.5.2-0ubuntu1
[17:28] <billybigrigger> and libqtcore4?
[17:29] <Seren__> libqtcore4:
[17:29] <Seren__>   Installed: 4.5.2-0ubuntu2
[17:29] <Seren__>   Candidate: 4.5.2-0ubuntu2
[17:29] <billybigrigger> hmm....
[17:30] <billybigrigger> i would $ ubuntu-bug software-properties-kde with links to that pastebin error, and show them your apt-cache policy output for python-qt4 and libqtcore4
[17:30] <billybigrigger> :)
[17:30] <billybigrigger> gotta run, wish i could help
[17:30] <Seren__> yep thx billy
[17:38] <carldani> EagleScreen: Thanks! Would you mind adding some text to answer the "What is the next release of Ubuntu?" question as well? After all, the question is already there, it's only missing the answer.
[17:42] <EagleScreen> carldani: what would you add there?
[17:55] <billybigrigger> carldani, if you see a bunch of typos, or something wrong with ubuntu pages, tell the Doc team, #ubuntu-doc
[18:20] <Fluffles> Will gnome-volume-control be reverted to the old one like it was in jaunty or are they sticking with the new one in karmic?
[18:38] <itswhatev1> do i need anything special in my xorg.conf for xserver-xorg-vide-intel from x-edgers if i'm running karmic daily?
[18:39] <itswhatev1> seemingly still have regular freezes, one consistent when someone calls/sends sms to my phone while it's connected via usb :O
[18:44] <yofel> itswhatev1: are you still able to kill X with 'alt+sysrq+k' ? If not then it's probably a kernel issue.
[18:45] <itswhatev1> yofel: i will report back when it occurs again
[18:47] <carldani> EagleScreen: sorry, was disconnected. Anyway, since the question is already there, there probably was some answer in the past. Maybe link to KarmicReleaseSchedule?
[18:47] <carldani> billybigrigger: thanks, will do
[19:23] <torocatala> hi
[19:23] <torocatala> I have a problem activating the private hardware controllers for my Nvidia on my ubuntu karmic
[19:25] <torocatala> the system found two drivers, but when I click on Activate, and appears the window of autenticate, I click on "autenticate button (in spanish, Autenticar) and nothing happend
[19:25] <torocatala> i don't know in what log can found the error messages
[19:26] <torocatala> ¿any idea?
[19:28] <mphill> torocatala: did you try to reboot, the driver my already be installed
[19:28] <mphill> installing the driver once should suffice for all cards
[19:28] <mphill> you may have uncovered a bug though
[19:28] <torocatala> mphill, i have this error since few days ago
[19:32] <torocatala> if i have a new bug, what I have to do?
[19:35] <itswhatev> yofel: ok it happened and alt-sysrq-k took me to a black screen, not able to toggle num/caps lock, and saw no tty's - SO.. kernel?
[19:35] <eagles0513875> torocatala: www.launchpad.net to signup and report your bug if it doesnt already exist
[19:35] <eagles0513875> hey guys im having an issue on karmic where after logging in on kde i got no splash screen saying the desktop is loading all i get is the mouse on a black screen
[19:38] <Amber_Johnson> any one running Karmic Koala , on an SLI system? I am considering installing it.
[19:41] <eagles0513875> BUGabundo: you stuck in the revolving door lol
[19:41] <BUGabundo> I am :(
[19:42] <eagles0513875> ouch
[19:43] <BUGabundo> is it just me
[19:43] <BUGabundo> or is audio tooooo loowwww
[19:43] <BUGabundo> ?
[19:43] <eagles0513875> i have another issue on my desktop
[19:44] <eagles0513875> i loving with the login splash screen and i then no loading splash screen black screen and mouse is only thing that shows :(
[19:54] <torocatala> by the way, in karmic, ¿how I can disable the login of users?, i mean, for a user entry automatically to the system
[19:55] <bullgard4> Where are listed in the Internet the Karmic milestones?
[19:56] <BUGabundo> you can't
[19:56] <BUGabundo> still not ready
[20:00] <yofel> bullgard4: see the release schedule in the topic
[20:02] <Amber_Johnson> I hope Ubuntu 9.10 works with my SLI system, Ubuntu makes me feel alive and sexy :D All i can get to run is 8.04 :( 8.10 and 9.04 just give me a black screen when xserver starts.
[20:03]  * Amber_Johnson has 2x Nvidia 8800GT
[20:04] <bullgard4> yofel: Thank you very much.
[20:05] <yofel> you're welcome
[20:35] <torocatala> hi
[20:35] <Amber_Johnson> :D
[20:35] <torocatala> Hi, I report that bug in the launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/jockey/+bug/407468 But i'm not sure if i do ok, ¿can anyone take a look?
[20:46] <x1250> torocatala, I think I read a post at ubuntuforums.org and it said you couldn't use propietary ati drivers yet. Try the opensource ones.
[20:46] <torocatala> is not ati
[20:46] <torocatala> is Nvidia
[20:47] <gnomefreak> 180* seems to work
[20:49] <gnomefreak> let me rephrse that nvidia-glx-180 works at least on the 6200 and 7200 cards that i know of off hand
[20:49] <x1250> torocatala, in bug #361454 Martin requires some aditional info. I guess you could try to provide that info in that bug, and most probably your bug will be marked as a duplicate.
[20:52] <torocatala> ok, gnomefreak
[20:53] <gnomefreak> the 5200 is using legacy drivers now and they are not working. i used upstream drivers until i got this 6200
[20:53] <gnomefreak> sorry just now getting to look at the bug.
[20:56] <jirib> hi
[20:56] <gnomefreak> what happens if you install them by hand. sudo apt-get install nivdia-glx-173 does it fail to build module?
[20:56] <jirib> i'm running jaunty but i need pci-stub driver to hide pci for virtual machines in KVM; i installed karmic kernel but X doesn't work anymore
[20:57] <jirib> black screen -> cold reboot :(
[20:57] <gnomefreak> more info on this driver see bug 379669 384639 however kockey isnt crashing in those
[20:57] <gnomefreak> bug 384639
[20:58] <jirib> running T400 - Intel Corporation Mobile 4
[20:59] <torocatala> gnomefreak, can't found the packet nivdia-glx-173
[21:00] <torocatala> ouch
[21:00] <torocatala> error on write nvidia
[21:00] <torocatala> nvidia-glx-173 ya está en su versión más reciente. // most recent versions is installed
[21:01] <aboSamoor> anyone responsible for the audio stack in ubuntu is here now ?
[21:03] <gnomefreak> !nvidia-glx-173
[21:03] <gnomefreak> !info nvidia-glx-173
[21:03] <gnomefreak> torocatala: you have the 5200 card?
[21:03] <torocatala> gnomefreak, yes
[21:04] <gnomefreak> torocatala: does apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-173 say installed?
[21:05] <torocatala> nvidia-glx-173:
[21:05] <torocatala>   Instalados: 173.14.16-0ubuntu1
[21:05] <torocatala>   Candidato: 173.14.16-0ubuntu1
[21:05] <torocatala>   Tabla de versión:
[21:05] <torocatala>  *** 173.14.16-0ubuntu1 0
[21:05] <torocatala>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com karmic/restricted Packages
[21:05] <torocatala>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[21:05] <torocatala> this is ok?
[21:05] <gnomefreak> torocatala: please dont paste thats why i asked if it said installed
[21:05] <torocatala> ok, sorry
[21:05] <gnomefreak> torocatala: are you using upstream drivers?
[21:06] <torocatala> Sorry, I don't know that, ¿how I can be sure of that?
[21:06] <gnomefreak> torocatala: did you download drivers from nvidia website?
[21:06] <torocatala> no
[21:06] <gnomefreak> ok
[21:07] <gnomefreak> than im gonna say they havent fixed it yet
[21:16] <jirib> anybody running karmic on  Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) ??
[21:38] <DanaG> oh yeah, I have a spare 4-gig SDHC card, but my reader is slow.  The card has instant seek, but reads at only about 15 megabytes per second.
[21:38] <DanaG> What would be something useful to put on it?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> ok is this thing on !?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> !ping
[21:39] <BUGabundo> it is
[21:40] <BUGabundo> soooo
[21:40] <BUGabundo> how do I remove a stanza from grub2?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> yofel: billybigrigger: ^^^
[22:00] <DanaG> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=4012ade9338c05428162e85cc9b149dcadf1ce85
[22:00] <DanaG> yay.
[22:00] <DanaG> will fix my mute!
[22:01] <BUGabundo> great
[22:02] <BUGabundo> now fix my low volume
[22:05] <DanaG> 	https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522764
[22:05] <DanaG> grr, damn Novell.
[22:05] <DanaG> Can't even READ the friggin' bug report!
[22:05] <BUGabundo> LOLOL
[22:25] <euthus> hi i keep getting this error message when i boot ubuntu: http://codepad.org/jFJkNdmi
[22:25] <euthus> i'm not very good with fsck, so i dont want to mess things up
[22:25] <euthus> could anyone help?
[22:27]  * BUGabundo checks
[22:27] <BUGabundo> fsck died with exit status 8
[22:27] <BUGabundo> not good
[22:28] <euthus> :\
[22:28] <euthus> what to do
[22:29] <Amber_Johnson> poke it with a sharp stick? that is what I always do....
[22:30] <euthus> Amber_Johnson: you're intelligent.
[22:31] <euthus> Amber_Johnson: if you don't know something, why don't you just stfu, instead of pissing ppl off?
[22:31] <euthus> i'll try to sudo blkid -c /dev/null
[22:31] <euthus> BUGabundo: looks like a partitioning problem
[22:32] <euthus> /dev/sda2: UUID="d502a29f-b4e7-4f97-ae96-0bf41dae12d0" TYPE="ext4"
[22:33] <euthus> fsck.ext4: Unable to resolve 'UUID=8f11ae17-a3dc-413b-a2cf-16dede417b17'
[22:33] <euthus> how do i replace the resolved uuid
[22:33] <euthus> should i change the fstab?
[22:34] <BUGabundo> euthus: please calm down and don't insult other user. Thanks
[22:34] <BUGabundo> and Amber_Johnson, please try to be helpful
[22:35] <BUGabundo> both of you please obey CoC
[22:35] <BUGabundo> don't think its only fstab related
[22:35] <BUGabundo> but if you want to try that
[22:35] <euthus> BUGabundo: hold on a sec, while i reboot.
[22:35] <BUGabundo> do an ls -l /dev/disk-uid
[22:35] <BUGabundo> doh
[22:53] <BUGabundo> new adobe flash 64bits package? http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10.html
[23:01] <arand> BUGabundo: interesting, and also makes me wonder why those versions has not made it into -updates, from my experience they're just BETTER.
[23:02] <BUGabundo> arand: no package available to be packaged by distros
[23:03] <arand> BUGabundo: well, as a new version of flashplayer-installer, I guess would be the correct term, but anyway...
[23:04] <BUGabundo> AFAIK it just downloads the 32 version
[23:06] <BUGabundo> (11:05:51 PM) fta: 32 with a wrapper
[23:06] <BUGabundo> (11:06:27 PM) fta: asac didn't want that as long a the x64 blob is beta
[23:07] <BUGabundo> arand: ^^^^^^^^
[23:07] <arand> Hmm, Yea I guess it does... And come to think of it I see the complicationin getting it into a package just like that...
[23:08] <arand> BUGabundo: But since the 32bit version seems to crash rather frequently I kinda disagree with that decision :/
[23:08] <dupondje> BUGabundo: testing the new flashplayer plugin atm
[23:08] <dupondje> had 2 crashes already :(
[23:09] <arand> dupondje: joy :(
[23:09] <BUGabundo> dupondje: I also run the 64 .so plugin
[23:10] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/326555?comments=all
[23:11] <BUGabundo> right
[23:15] <arand> So is there any way to get the old "stable" alpha now then?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> ah?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> isn't it on the web site?
[23:18] <arand> BUGabundo: Well, since the new "refresh alpha" has replaced it, it seems...
[23:46] <Twigathy> You know what'd be reaaaally nice now that we have PulseAudio infecting everything ever? A volume control slider on every single window, next to the minimise/maximise/close buttons....
[23:46] <Twigathy> All this talk of per-app control is all well and good, but having to go through that PA gui thing (padevchooser or whatever it is called) kind of utterly ruins the idea
[23:48] <Twigathy> no thoughts? guess everybody is away/busy/sleeping/eating/hacking code/??? :o
[23:48] <BUGabundo> ey Twigathy
[23:48] <Twigathy> hi
[23:48] <BUGabundo> Twigathy: +1
[23:49] <BUGabundo> we can do that with pavucontrol
[23:49] <DanaG> oh, and a "which devices do I play on?" feature,
[23:49] <BUGabundo> again, DanaG we do that on pavucontrol
[23:49] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:49] <Twigathy> That'd be quite nice too
[23:49] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: but... that's not the point
[23:49] <Twigathy> You shouldn't have to start a whole app to change your programs volume
[23:50] <Twigathy> It should be right there, with close etc. c_c
[23:50] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:50] <BUGabundo> and that's why I gave it +1
[23:50] <Twigathy> Thing is, I haven't a clue where to start on this kind of thing :)
[23:50] <Twigathy> Launchpad somewhere c_c
[23:51] <Twigathy> "Bug: PA allows different volumes per app but apps can't change their volumes"? :)
[23:53] <BUGabundo> lol
[23:54] <BUGabundo> better be in next PA cycle
[23:54] <BUGabundo> and done UPSTREAM
[23:54] <BUGabundo> forget Ubuntu
[23:55] <Twigathy> mmm
[23:55]  * Twigathy thinks it'd probably make a good google summer-of-code project
[23:56] <Twigathy> or at least, somebody could start it then