[00:46] <Riddell> asac: where can I find the licencing information  on the firefox icon?
[05:54] <DGMurdockIII> hi
[07:06] <TheMuso> c/c
[08:47] <slytherin> Any of the archive admins free enough to review jakarta-jmeter from new queue?
[08:50] <seb128> slytherin, any reason it's urgent?
[08:51] <seb128> slytherin, that's the second time you ask on IRC, any reason it should hijack things waiting for longer in the queue?
[08:51] <slytherin> No. Nothing in particular. Sorry.
[08:52] <seb128> ok, so no need to ping people for regular tasks, they are done often enough usually
[08:53] <seb128> and no need to be sorry that's ok, that's just that people know about those and if they don't do it that's because they are busy or on holidays, etc
[08:54] <slytherin> Ok.
 Subject: mono_2.4.2.3+dfsg-1_i386.changes is NEW
[09:04] <seb128> directhex, cool!
[09:05] <directhex> seb128, includes a few little patches too, which ought to allow some more interesting things to run (e.g. ironruby). also includes the fixes to stop needless libmono0 inclusion on the CDs
[09:06] <seb128> directhex, are you going to prepare an upload for karmic? ;-)
[09:07] <directhex> seb128, i don't think binary NEW is too slow at the moment in debian, so i'd rather wait & sync (saves a layer of archive admin time, if anything, getting ftpmaster to check instead). i have a month before i need to do that icky FFe paperwork anyway
[09:07] <seb128> ok
[09:08] <dmentre> Hello. Could a core developer look at bug 406351 and bug 406434? Simple synchronizations are needed. These packages are blocking the remaining of the OCaml transition. Thanks!
[09:10] <directhex> dmentre, you scared seb128 away
[09:52] <asac> Riddell: what do you want to know wrt licensing?
[10:08] <Riddell> asac: what is the licence and are you allowed to make derivative works
[10:08] <Riddell> asac: a package included a derived icon and I don't know if that's allowed
[10:08] <asac> Riddell: its proprietary. you are not allowed to change it
[10:11] <Riddell> asac: that probably makes most of these illegal doesn't it? http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=firefox.png&mode=exactfilename&suite=karmic&arch=any
[10:43] <pitti> Good moring
[10:44] <pitti> mvo: yay you!
[10:44] <pitti> dpm: will try (I'm officially off sick, but I think I can do an hour or two)
[10:47] <dpm> pitti: hey, good morning. Thanks a lot, but don't worry about it! I'll just poke you once you're healthy again, don't do it if you're not feeling well
[10:53] <tkamppeter> pitti: Should bug 372118 get SRUed?
[10:56] <dmentre> directhex: (about scaring seb128 away) nope! ;-)
[10:56] <TheMuso> .deb
[10:56] <TheMuso> woops
[11:00] <pitti> tkamppeter: I'm fine with getting this SRUed; want to prepare an update?
[11:01]  * pitti crawls back to bed, cu next week
[11:03] <dpm> pitti: see you next week, get well soon!
[11:03] <pitti> thanks!
[11:10] <tkamppeter> pitti, will you be on the sprint?
[11:22] <dvh> Hi, can somebody explain why Hugin depends on autopano-shift instead of autopano-shift-c? Why do I need 50MB of redundant C# libraries only because of this? Thanks
[11:22] <gaspa> dvh: i recall a bug about that, but not sure.
[11:29] <gaspa> dvh: uhm. can't find any package with that name...
[11:31] <dvh> hold on
[11:32] <dvh> autopano-sift-c                                   2.5.0-0.0
[11:32] <dvh> so it's sift, not shift
[11:35] <ion> There seems to be no autopano-sift-c in Ubuntu repositories. (Which is a shame.)
[11:36] <gaspa> seems it needs to be packages.
[11:37] <gaspa> *packaged
[11:37] <gaspa> dvh: you could request it by filing a bug in launchpad. (or package it by yourself. :P)
[11:39] <gaspa> ah, found: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hugin/+bug/323836
[11:40] <Tronic> Could someone handle this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/performous/+bug/406866
[12:10] <cjwatson> pam: nothing other than the documentation in the gfxboot package itself
[12:11] <cjwatson> pam: I think for editing arrays in ways other than just changing a single element in-place, it's usually easiest to effectively define a new array with the contents you want
[12:15] <cjwatson> maxb: I've added you to the manual accept filter on ubuntu-devel@
[12:18] <cjwatson> ebroder: there's a Debian paper on how the installer works linked from http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Installer/Development, which may be useful for orientation. (In this case the component you're looking for is grub-installer.)
[12:21] <cjwatson> lool: usplash> really? it didn't actually change very much ...
[13:00] <lool> cjwatson: I don't understand why your change triggers the crashes because I didn't understand where xres / yres are set in a regular boot (I think they are set from /proc/cmdline but I don't see why these would be set on end-users' boxes)
[13:00] <lool> cjwatson: But we only received reports from the karmic version, not the jaunty one
[13:01] <lool> cjwatson: In all cases your change is correct; it's just unfortunate that it shows that our theme and usplash are buggy
[13:01] <lool> cjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/401432
[13:02] <lool> I started adding bound checking to some usplash code pathes but I'm not happy with the changes and I find it painful to debug (assert() leave the console broked and printf are a bit manual)
[13:02] <lool> Also ubuntu-vm-builder is broken so I couldn't create vms for easy testing of various resolutions
[13:27] <cjwatson> lool: xres/yres are in usplash.conf and sucked out of X in the postinst
[14:02] <Riddell> james_w, slangasek: what's the status  of bug 400102? it looks like it was waiting on a patch being tested but now that patch has been tested
[14:07] <evand> pitti: thanks for the review on pywebkitgtk
[14:10] <james_w> Riddell: I haven't looked at it recently
[14:12] <james_w> Riddell: but it seems to me that if it needs a patch then it's not a sync?
[14:14] <Riddell> james_w: the patch is for qbankmanager which is an rdepends (presumably)
[14:14] <james_w> ah, then I misunderstood
[14:14] <Riddell> oh, no it's not
[14:14] <Riddell> you're right james_w it's a patch to libaqbanking
[14:48] <seb128> does anybody has an idea what component to blame on #407209?
[14:48] <seb128> does anybody has an idea what component to blame on #407209?
[14:49] <seb128> ups
[14:49] <seb128> bug #407209
[14:49] <seb128> basically psb driver error after jaunty linux upgrade
[14:51] <seb128> seems bug #406651
[14:56] <seb128> ^ that's a breakage due to a stable update, anything which should be done to mark those?
[15:07] <tseliot> seb128: psb is not officially supported on Jaunty. Those users installed it from a PPA. Maybe DKMS didn't rebuild the kernel module against the new kernel
[15:07] <seb128> tseliot, ok thanks
[15:08] <slytherin> We should ask users about dkms log instead and check if it failed to build.
[15:09] <tseliot> cjwatson: what's the proper way to add kernel parameters to the kopt line of GRUB's menu.lst in the installer?
[15:09] <tseliot> seb128: np
[15:09] <tseliot> slytherin: right
[15:12] <seb128> mvo, what is the canonical source for SimpleGtkbuilderApp?
[15:14] <pam> cjwatson: thanks, I actually sort of found a working solution (but the implementation is suboptimal so far).
[15:15] <cjwatson> tseliot: boot the installer with those extra parameters after the "--"
[15:15] <garymc> Yo Hi I need some help
[15:15] <garymc> Ive got a Dedicated server with fasthosts
[15:15] <garymc> I need to get my Mysql databse copied to my computer how di I do it
[15:15] <garymc> I know its running ubuntu
[15:16] <garymc> cos i aint used it for a while ive lost and forgot the commands to use in putty
[15:18] <tseliot> cjwatson: I would like those parameters to be permanently set in the installed system. Would modifying the boot entries in the installer do that too?
[15:18]  * tseliot admits that his question could have been a bit clearer
[15:23] <cjwatson> tseliot: yes
[15:23] <tseliot> cjwatson: ok, thanks
[15:24] <cjwatson> tseliot: anything after -- gets copied to the installed system, with the exception of a few special cases that are filtered out (basically stuff that's installer-specific, or in a few cases just stuff that's a bad idea to propagate)
[15:24] <tseliot> cjwatson: ok, I only need to pass different parameters for vga and console
[15:25] <cjwatson> vga is one of the things that's filtered out
[15:25] <cjwatson> because vga= at least used to break suspend/resume
[15:25] <tseliot> d'oh
[15:25] <cjwatson> you'll have to frob it in preseed/late_command if you really really want to set that
[15:26] <tseliot> cjwatson: ok, I'll look into that, thanks again
[15:35] <maco> cjwatson: is THAT why i couldnt use framebuffer before?
[15:36] <cjwatson> vga= shouldn't be necessary for framebuffer
[15:36] <cjwatson> did anyone ever manage to test https://launchpad.net/~cjwatson/+archive/ia32-libs-testing ?
[15:36] <cjwatson> when I first published that stuff it had some installability problems
[15:40] <maco> cjwatson: eh was the only way i knew to set the framebuffer mode
[15:40] <cjwatson> oh, sure, if you want to *tweak* the framebuffer ...
[15:40] <cjwatson> anyway, hopefully kms will make all this stuff unnecessary
[15:41] <ogra> if you have a card that supports it :)
[15:41] <blackxored> hello again folks
[15:53] <maco> it has indeed, for me
[16:08] <ScottK> jdstrand: boost1.37 can die if you're interested (I gather it's your archive day): Bug #407388
[16:31] <ScottK> BTW, the scheduled execution date for boost1.35 is next week.
[17:07] <mathiaz> james_w: hey - has the import of debian packages stopped in pkg branches?
[17:07] <mathiaz> james_w: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/debian/sid/+source/openldap is not up-to-date
[17:54] <pitti> tkamppeter: I'll most likely be at the sprint, yes
[18:00] <apw> pitti, any idea how one gets devkit-disks to allow you to mount a specific disk with specific options?
[18:15] <LaserJock> is devicekit really meant to be removed?
[18:21] <arand> I'd like to request an SRU for Bug #316502
[18:23] <LaserJock> arand: man I hate that bug
[18:24] <arand> LaserJock: Indeed, that was why I did make the effort to patch it ;)
[18:27] <LaserJock> arand: so the bug is actually in goffice and not gnumeric?
[18:29] <arand> LaserJock: well, it's libgoffice that is patched so yes, I guess... There was a comment on no necessity of adding goffice since it was contained in gnumeric, so I just went by that and left libgoffice as "invalid" witout arguing.'
[18:30] <LaserJock> I think that's wrong, goffice is a separate source package
[18:30] <arand> But goffice is a separate package, so I'd personally say that'd be more correct... yea, exactly.
[18:30] <LaserJock> if the code that needs to be patched is in goffice then I think the bug should be against goffice
[18:31] <LaserJock> wow, that's a tiny patch too
[18:32] <arand> LaserJock: yes, it was a really nice one.
[18:33] <Ng> LaserJock: the changelogs for devicekit{,-power} suggest that it is supposed to be removed
[18:34] <LaserJock> Ng: k, thanks
[18:34] <Ng> LaserJock: the Ng Corporation accepts no liability for your system breaking into many pieces ;)
[18:34] <LaserJock> heh
[18:35] <Ng> (I did the upgrade on mine and things are mostly holding together, seems to be some g-p-m oddness, but I've not had a chance to figure it out well enough to file a bug)
[18:36] <jpds> http://paste.ubuntu.com/239705/
[18:36] <arand> LaserJock: could you set a medium importance on the goffice part of the bug? I don't have permissions
[18:38] <jpds> Ng, LaserJock: ^^
[18:38] <Ng> jpds: aha
[18:45] <LaserJock> arand: ok, reload bug #316502 and see if that looks right
[18:47] <arand> LaserJock: Thanks, that looks nice.
[18:49]  * ccheney thinks we should have a UDS in Madrid, its a very nice city :) just went on a 4 hr sightseeing tour before my flight home from debconf
[18:49] <arand> Now, is there anything else to do on my side, or do I just wait for the SRU team now?
[18:49] <ccheney> er 'tour' being me with a map, heh
[18:53] <LaserJock> arand: you need a Core Dev to sponsor the patch
[18:55] <LaserJock> arand: could you fix up the bug description a little to follow point 2 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Procedure
[18:59] <arand> LaserJock: Ok, I'll see to it. For finding a dev, is that the devel mailing list, or should I go to the ubuntu maintainer(s) fro goffice?
[19:00] <LaserJock> arand: I can do it if you like. That bug really annoys me :-)
[19:01] <LaserJock> plus, I just got my PhD so what better way to celebrate but helping squash some nasty bugs :-)
[19:02] <arand> LaserJock: Yea, that'd be nice: and...Congratulations!
[19:04] <ScottK> LaserJock: Congratulations.
[19:04] <LaserJock> ScottK: thanks
[19:04] <LaserJock> it was a 2.5 hr defense but in the end it really wasn't that bad
[19:05] <ScottK> So it's Doctor LaserJock now.
[19:05] <LaserJock> yep
[19:08] <LaserJock> took me 11 years but I'm finally finished
[19:08] <LaserJock> no more school for me!
[19:12] <arand> Doctor LaserJock: Must be great :) ...  Hum, thing is, I'm not sure what more to write in the "addressed-how?" than basically copying the upstream changelog entry...
[19:12] <LaserJock> that works
[19:13] <arand> ok done.
[19:14] <LaserJock> ok, let me tweak something real quick there
[19:17] <LaserJock> arand: ok, done. I just wanted to make it more clear that the bug is in goffice but manifests in gnumeric
[19:17] <arand> Doctor LaserJock: It's kinda my first ever patch so
[19:17] <LaserJock> awesome
[19:18] <arand> Doctor LaserJock: :) Problem is , feels like I'm screaming for help at every step :/
[19:20] <arand> Doctor LaserJock: Okay, so you're taking the contact to core devs then?
[19:20] <LaserJock> arand: well, it so happens that I am a Core Dev
[19:21] <LaserJock> arand: so I'm just getting the upload ready to go. Doing my own build and test
[19:22] <arand> Doctor LaserJock: How convenient :) Thanks again.
[19:23] <LaserJock> arand: no, thank you for following up on the bug, finding the patch, and putting together a debdiff
[19:23] <LaserJock> arand: I'm just gonna tweak the version number and changelog entry slightly to conform to policy better
[19:26] <arand> LaserJock: Yea, I was kinda guessing there, and hoped it would at least be informative...
[19:47] <phurl> hi all. I am frustrated to get ubuntu to install from a debian busybox live usb. It just does not work!
[19:47] <phurl> there are no loopback devices loaded.
[20:39] <phurl> anyone use unetbootin?
[20:55] <lool> cjwatson: Odd my laptop doesn't have xres and yres in usplash.conf; that might be why I was wondering how these are set; I do see these on my desktop
[20:55] <lool> cjwatson: Thanks for the info
[21:00] <LaserJock> arand: ok, I've uploaded your patch to intrepid-proposed and jaunty-proposed
[21:00] <LaserJock> arand: next step is for an admin to accept them and then get the testing feedback
[21:01] <arand> LaserJock: *smiles*
[21:04] <ogra> lool, mine has them explicitly commented but usplash doesnt break over here
[21:05] <ogra> LaserJock, hey Doc :)
[21:05] <ogra> LaserJock, congrats
[21:08] <lool> ogra: The breakage happens on < 600 pixels height
[21:08] <lool> or < 640 rather
[21:08] <LaserJock> ogra: thanks, it's been a long road
[21:08] <ogra> yeah
[21:09] <ogra> lool, so it does break for you and you have a value below 600 for y ?
[21:16] <orogor> hi here, i got some troubles with a remote and lirc apparently that s lioked to the fact that it s incorectly being registred as a kbd device
[21:17] <orogor> i saw a bug open for that , apparently the fix is already included in the version i use but i still have troubles
[21:28] <lool> ogra: It does not break for me
[21:29] <ogra> ah
[21:29] <ogra> but for people with an actual value below 600
[21:30]  * ogra understands
[21:34] <knoob> Hello. I'm trying to upgrade a remote machine from 7.04 to the latest. The tutorial online works up to the last point at which I get a 404 Not Found error. This is for Packages.gz and Sources.gz. Any help is appreciated
[21:40] <mathiaz> knoob: 7.04 is end-of-lifed - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EOLUpgrades for an upgrade process.
[21:40] <knoob> mathiaz: that's the tutorial that i'm talking about
[21:41] <knoob> when I run ./gutsy it does stuff for a while, then quits out on two 404 errors
[21:42] <knoob> can I paste the error here?
[21:43] <mathiaz> knoob: it's probably because gusty is also end-of-lifed
[21:43] <mathiaz> knoob: look at the section about edgy->feisty upgrade
[21:44] <mathiaz> knoob: and you'll to adapt it to do a feisty->gutsy upgrade
[21:44] <knoob> ok i'll read that, thank you
[21:44] <mathiaz> knoob: the 404 error is because the gutsy script is trying to use archive.ubuntu.com to retrieve the Packages.gz and Sources.gz.
[21:44] <mathiaz> knoob: since gutsy is EOL, it has been moved to old-releases.ubuntu.com
[21:45] <knoob> no it's trying tog et http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett ... etc
[21:45] <mathiaz> knoob: thus the gutsy script probably needs to be patched the same way to use old-releases.ubuntu.com
[21:45] <knoob> i'm still reading 6.10-7.04
[21:51] <knoob> mathiaz: Could you help me understand the patch job? I create the patch file and did sudo patch, but I got a Hunk #1 error
[21:55] <knoob> even if I change all existences of archive.ubuntu to old-releases.ubuntu, the gutsy installation still looks for http://free.linux.hp.com/~brett
[21:58] <mathiaz> knoob: did you had an custom entry in sources.list?
[21:58] <mathiaz> knoob: http://free.linux.hp.com/ doesn't look like a standard mirror
[21:59] <knoob> mathiaz: i'll check... this wasn't my machine until a few weeks ago
[22:00] <knoob> mathiaz: you're right, there's an installation of freenx that's preventing me from upgrading.. i don't even know what freenx is
[22:04] <knoob> mathiaz: i added # before those two lines and it seems to have helped... upgrade is still running
[22:37] <knoob> mathiaz: The distribution upgrade was running fine until just now. "kdepim" failed because "kmail" version was a little bit too old. The whole process stopped and I was dropped back to shell. How can I continue upgrading?
[23:00]  * cody-somerville wonders what (deleted) besides the filename in the memory map of a process as presented by gnome-system-monitor means.
[23:02] <cjwatson> it means that the file has been unlinked but the process still has the inode open
[23:02] <cjwatson> you'll see it in particular when stuff gets upgraded under a running process' feet
[23:21] <phurl> it works now
[23:32] <knoob> Hey guys, I just upgraded from 7.04 to 7.10, and before upgrading to 8.04 I wanted to check MySQL. It fails to recognize any of the users with the correct passwords. Any help?
[23:33] <ScottK> knoob: This is a development channel, not a help channel and both 7.04 and 7.10 are out of support anyway
[23:33] <knoob> Just figured you guys would have a few of those questions