[00:45] <trothigar> i was wondering what the time interval between requests for differences is when the client is "idle"?
[03:59] <dobey> trothigar: how do you mean exactly? to request for changes from the server?
[09:12] <trothigar> dobey, yes, how often does it request changes?
[10:55] <sladen> is there a tracking bug for the lack of  storagefs<->updown notification?
[10:56] <sladen> there appear to be a whole bunch of bugs that (despite different descriptions) boil down to making a change locally and not seeing it reflected on the web, or vice-versa
[12:57] <trothigar> hello, i was wondering how often the client pulls syncing information from the server when its "idle"
[13:57] <dobey> trothigar: it doesn't poll the server. the server is supposed to send notifications when things change server-side, but there is some missing glue at the moment that's being heavily worked on
[13:58] <trothigar> dobey, ok many thanks. any eta? i take it hte work around is to disconnect and reconnect whenever you go to a different machine
[13:58] <dobey> sladen: changes made locally not getting synced to the server is a client issue, and changes made elsewhere not being reflected locally is a server issue, and yes, there are multiple bugs for both at the moment
[14:02] <trothigar> dobey, ty
[14:04] <dobey> trothigar: i'm not working on it, so i'm not sure exactly when it will be done. i'm working on the desktop client ui stuff mostly, so i have my own other set of super critical issues to fix :)
[14:13] <sladen> dobey: right, which one did I incorrectly dup?   The ones relating to updown<->fs-1 not communicating I'm dupping to  #lefthandrighthand
[14:15] <dobey> sladen: i don't know. i didn't see which ones you duped. i moved all the ubunet ones over to ubunet yesterday though
[15:02] <jblount> MEETING BEGINS
[15:03] <jblount> If you are here for the desktop(+) meeting, please follow with a me. format is DONE/TODO/BLOCKED:
[15:03] <teknico> me
[15:03] <jblount> me
[15:03] <CardinalFang> me
[15:03] <urbanape> me
[15:04] <rodrigo_> me
[15:04] <dobey> me
[15:04] <aquarius> me
[15:05] <vds> me
[15:05] <teknico> let's go
[15:05] <teknico> DONE: implemented the subscription check when syncing a phone, corrected some docstrings and comments
[15:05] <teknico> TODO: testing the subscription check when syncing a phone, landing all three branches
[15:05] <teknico> BLOCKED: none
[15:05] <teknico> next: jblount
[15:05] <jblount> DONE: Vacation
[15:05] <jblount> TODO: mark all as read in my @canonical.com, reviews, figure out what is left for /files/new and perform those tasks
[15:05] <jblount> BLOCKED: nope
[15:05] <jblount> CardinalFang: You!
[15:06] <CardinalFang> DONE: finished desktopcouch API update.
[15:06] <CardinalFang> TODO: Queue to trink.  Merge spawning code into same branch as paste code.  Test.
[15:06] <CardinalFang> BLOCKED: []
[15:06] <CardinalFang> urbanape!
[15:06] <urbanape> DONE: Pushed a branch for proper deletion of empty folders. Made big breakthrough with the javascript sharing tab in the new files UI.
[15:06] <urbanape> TODO: Finish sharing tab. Push it, &c. Face, today (in place of statik).
[15:06] <urbanape> BLOCK: None
[15:06] <urbanape> rodrigo go go
[15:06] <rodrigo_> • DONE: More snowy and Tomboy fixes and debugging. Submitted ken's fixes to REVU. Landed tomboy-fixes branch. Discussed with arusha and aquarius about web notes UI
[15:06] <rodrigo_> • TODO: land use-source-properties branch. Add more tests in couchdb-glib test suite. More openSUSE packaging. Store UUIDs in VCARD's correctly. Fix notes/ saving and tomboy syncing. Change note record format as per xdg page. Social from the start discussion with ken and dobey
[15:06] <rodrigo_> • BLOCKED: none
[15:06] <rodrigo_> dobey: go quick!
[15:06] <CardinalFang> Ooo, bullets.
[15:06] <dobey> DONE: Lots of bug triage (server bugs -> ubunet), Looked over applet code to estimate work for always running the applet
[15:06] <dobey> TODO: Reviews, Lots of UI hacking, #375197, #
[15:06] <dobey> BLCK: 1.0a on server side (pending oauth.py upstream 1.0a patch approval)
[15:06] <rodrigo_> CardinalFang: yeah, I'm more fancy :-)
[15:07] <dobey> aquarius: you're up chap
[15:07] <aquarius> ☠ DONE: spoke to arusha and rodrigo about web notes UI; couch stuff; frustrating struggles with django and piston authentication; have a big headache
[15:07] <aquarius> ☠ TODO: fix the blasted auth stuff
[15:07] <aquarius> ☠ BLOCKED: none
[15:07] <aquarius> vds: rock out with your socks out
[15:07] <vds> DONE: landed funambol deployment scripts, updated the funambol wiki, emailed funambol support guys, discussed with mark about deployment, code review
[15:07] <vds> TODO: more code review, start a new branch for contact snapshot
[15:07] <vds> BLOCKED: nope, but I have 50% of the cpu busy and I don't understand who's using it...weird...
[15:07] <vds> that's it I guess
[15:07] <teknico> aquarius, what the heck is *that*? :-)
[15:07]  * aquarius grins
[15:08] <rodrigo_> heh, aquarius' bullets are fancier :D
[15:08] <aquarius> skull and crossbones. In unicode. I love unicode.
[15:08] <jblount> MEETING ENDS
[15:08] <aquarius> nice one jblount, and welcome back :)
[15:08] <jblount> aquarius: :)
[15:11] <jblount> dobey: Thanks for that review_list app, it was super useful this morning!
[15:11] <dobey> sure
[15:11] <CardinalFang> jblount, thanks for that review this morning, too.
[15:12] <jblount> CardinalFang: Sure thing!
[15:17] <pfibiger> jblount: did you harvest many scallops?
[15:18] <jblount> pfibiger: Crazy amounts. I have the sunburn on my back to prove it.
[15:18] <jblount> Luckily, scallops are like zero fun to clean and shell. blegh.
[15:18] <dobey> pfibiger: scallops? is that another term for baby octopus?
[15:19] <jblount> dobey: heh
[15:19] <pfibiger> jblount: cool. I've never really done any clam/mussel/scallop harvesting, it seems like it could be fun (if you get a lot)
[15:20] <jblount> pfibiger: Yeah, it is fun to retrieve them. It's a bit depressing when you see how much meat you get out of 4 or 5 hours of pretty tough work, but good exercise.
[15:25] <dobey> sladen: thanks for helping out with bug triage, btw
[15:32] <rmcbride> mmmm fresh scallops
[15:41] <CardinalFang> dobey, PQM says I'm not authorized to merge to desktopcouch.  Can you fix it?
[15:41] <CardinalFang> Can I?
[15:41] <dobey> CardinalFang: we don't use pqm for desktopcouch
[15:41] <CardinalFang> Oh.
[15:43] <dobey> CardinalFang: does that fix the tests that were failing in desktopcouch also? you and statik were looking at that, right?
[15:44] <CardinalFang> dobey, No, it doesn't fix, AFAIK.  I have a bug for that.
[15:44] <CardinalFang> dobey, "Update this branch:  	 You cannot upload to this branch. Members of Ubuntu One Control Tower  can upload to this branch. "
[15:45] <dobey> CardinalFang: right, it's one of those projects we'll be managing with tarmac :)
[15:45] <dobey> CardinalFang: set the commit message in the merge proposal, and i can land it :)
[15:45] <aquarius> CardinalFang, you get to ask kenvandine to merge it for you, or dobey, or me I think. We're the manual pqm. ;)
[15:46] <dobey> pqm is the manual pqm
[15:46]  * aquarius laughs
[15:46] <aquarius> harsh but basically fair :)
[15:47] <dobey> as soon as we get an image built for running tarmac on though, landing branches in the clients will be automated
[15:47] <dobey> though the desktopcouch tests need to be fixed to pass first
[15:48] <CardinalFang> dobey, Okay.  commit message set.  lp:~cmiller/desktopcouch/excise-temporary-views
[15:48] <CardinalFang> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~cmiller/desktopcouch/excise-temporary-views/+merge/9471
[15:49] <dobey> CardinalFang: and we also don't need the [r=] bit for the client projects any more, tarmac handles reviewers automatically too :)
[15:49] <CardinalFang> Ooo.
[15:50] <CardinalFang> tarmac is still a mystery.  I only know what it is because of the verb "land" that we use.
[15:50] <aquarius> dobey, does it? it goes and looks in launchpad? that's pretty cool
[15:51] <jblount> CardinalFang: http://launchpad.net/tarmac
[15:51] <dobey> aquarius: yeah. i fixed it to store the reviewers, and the url to the merge proposal, inside revision properties when it commits
[15:52] <aquarius> dobey, cor. Impressed.
[15:52] <aquarius> dobey, why isn't everyone using it instead of pqm?
[15:52] <aquarius> and...who built tarmac? was it rockstar? (was it you?)
[15:52] <dobey> mostly rockstar
[15:53] <dobey> but statik and myself have done a fair bit of hacking on it too
[16:01] <dobey> anyway, desktopcouch branches are landed
[16:08] <sladen> dobey: does https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+bug/363243 need repointing to ubuntuone-storage-protocol  (which is where the stacktrace heads)
[16:09] <sladen> (ignoring the title, and looking at the actual crash)
[16:12] <dobey> sladen: no
[16:13] <dobey> sladen: the u1sync --authorize specific issue is separate from the general issue of the report
[16:30] <sladen> please can somebody make  #404093    public as there are bugs dupped to it
[16:30] <sladen> dobey: yeah, I think there's about 3 issues in there---and I don't claim to understand 363243 so I'll leave it
[16:31] <dobey> oh it's only got one dup
[16:32] <dobey> is public now
[16:32] <sladen> dobey: it sounds like it's the sae as #lefthandrighthand (which has 8 dups)
[16:33] <dobey> why are you typing "lefthandrighthand" instead of a number?
[16:34] <sladen> bug #375495
[16:35] <sladen> DNS for bug reports;  as in "the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing"
[16:35] <sladen> it's the nickname field---could be anything, but that sticks in my mind better than "oh, it's 1-2-3-4-5-6"
[16:36] <dobey> except i have no idea what you're talking about :)
[16:36] <sladen> https://launchpad.net/bugs/lefthandrighthand
[16:37] <sladen> mmm, the bot doesn't recognise that
[16:38] <dobey> probably a good thing
[16:38] <dobey> because i don't want to get flooded with 5000 lines of bot spam when someone pastes a link to the ui tag or something
[16:39] <dobey> oh
[16:40] <dobey> nicknames are ok i guess, unless lots of bugs end up having the same nickname
[16:42] <sladen> they can't, the whole point it's an easier-to-remember nickname
[16:42] <sladen> (hench setting it to something else with numbers, like a story board ID is almost as bad...)
[16:45] <dobey> i don't know about that
[16:45] <dobey> if it's a bug i'm looking at often, i end up remembering the number anyway
[16:46] <dobey> like the IOError: Interrupted system call or whatever due to poking STDERR when xdg-open succeeded, is #402091
[16:46] <dobey> bug #lefthandrighthand
[16:46] <dobey> hrmm
[16:47] <dobey> it probably wants "bug #[0-9]+"
[16:49] <sladen> filed that  https://launchpad.net/bugs/nicknamedbug
[16:50] <sladen> (bug #407402)
[21:08] <greg-g> hmmm, just copied about 1.7 gigs of files into my My Files folder, and now UbuntuOne is taking its sweet time uploading to the servers (~20 k/s, and I'm on a .edu LAN)
[21:28] <CardinalFang> greg-g, k?  kb or kB?
[21:41] <dobey> KB presumably
[21:42] <CardinalFang> Either way, it's probably not great.
[21:44] <CardinalFang> In my day we measured bandwidth in bits, and if we needed to talk about 8 at a time, we'd say "octets"!
[21:44]  * CardinalFang shakes his fist at the kids on his lawn.
[21:50] <greg-g> CardinalFang: KiB/s
[21:50] <greg-g> :)
[21:56] <rmcbride> CardinalFang: Sheer luxury. WHen I was a lad, we only had 4 bits. If we wanted more we had to buy a whole other computer
[22:00] <dobey> rmcbride: aye, ye had it well! we had to arrange pebbles in middle t'road, during rush hour