[00:42] <mattparry> Hi, I've just tried to install Alpha3 alternative, problem with grub installation - anyone have grub issues?
[00:45] <neversfelde> mattparry: nope, but #ubuntu+1 would be a better channel to ask
[01:17] <neversfelde> Riddell: are you around?
[01:17] <neversfelde> nemphis: how is the progress?
[02:47] <shtylman> why is there not a progrss bar with text in qt?
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> Adept had text in its progress bar
[03:00] <shtylman> hmmm
[03:00] <shtylman> did they extend the widget?
[03:00] <shtylman> and make their own...
[03:00] <shtylman> cause the stock one doesn't as far as I can see...
[03:00] <shtylman> oh...and I think something in the new kde libraries causes segfault on exit... or something...
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: it uses the setformat function it seems
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> i18n( "%p% [%1/%2B done, %3B/s] ETA: %4", <variablesgohere>)
[03:17] <shtylman> ahh...so I can have various strings in there as well
[03:17] <shtylman> beyond the %p or whatnot...
[03:17] <shtylman> good to know :) thanks
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> yw
[03:23] <EagleScreen> filelight mola pero es algo inestable, si mientras esta escaneando te pones a tocar otros botones, se cuelga
[03:26] <neversfelde> mhh
[03:26] <neversfelde> EagleScreen: you need spanish support? => #kubuntu-es
[03:27] <EagleScreen> sorry i typed here by error
[03:27] <neversfelde> k
[03:38] <nixternal> what happened to plasma-widget-network-manager?
[03:38] <nixternal> nevermind
[03:38] <nixternal> networkmanagement :)
[03:40] <nixternal> hrmm, why does it pull in network-manager-gnome?
[03:44] <EagleScreen> nixternal: there are two packages for plasma network-manager plasmoid, it may be an error
[03:44] <nixternal> well, plasma-widget-networkmanagement !work
[03:44] <nixternal> plasma-widget-network-manager will not install as it is marked obsolete
[03:44] <EagleScreen> they are plasma-widget-networkmanager and plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[03:45] <nixternal> there is no networkmanager, just network-manager
[03:45] <nixternal> and it will not install as it is marked obsolete in teh repos
[03:45] <EagleScreen> plasma-widget-networkmanagement is the official in Kuubntu now
[03:45] <shtylman> Riddell: lp:~shtylman/ubiquity-slideshow/qt
[03:45] <shtylman> Slideshow-kde.py
[03:45] <nixternal> networkmanagement !work
[03:46] <shtylman> I just did a quick app that seems to do what the gtk side does...
[03:46] <nixternal> it is a crap icon for one, and all you can do is change the shortcut key for it
[03:46] <EagleScreen> i think neither of them works well for now
[03:47] <EagleScreen> in addiction I think there is a bug in network-manager package, it recomemnds network-manager-gnome or plasma-widget-networkmanager and it should recommend plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[03:48] <nixternal> well this sucks
[03:48] <EagleScreen> normal issues in the development release
[03:48] <nixternal> EagleScreen: ya, week one
[03:48] <nixternal> I have been around here for more than 4 years, typically this kind of garbage happens a bit earlier
[03:49] <nixternal> normal issues == laziness || jumping the gun
[03:49] <nixternal> in this case, it seems jumping the gun is the winner
[03:50] <EagleScreen> nixternal: are you having this in karmic?
[03:50] <nixternal> yes
[03:50] <EagleScreen> then it is normally
[03:50] <nixternal> no it isn't dude
[03:51] <EagleScreen> karmic suffers on constant changes that break things temporary
[03:51] <nixternal> the first month, OK, not post alpha3
[03:51] <nixternal> EagleScreen: as did warty, hoary, dapper, and so on and so forth
[03:51] <EagleScreen> Alpha versions can suffer regresions
[03:52] <nixternal> nevermind, thanks
[03:52] <nixternal> these types of regressions are for the first month...if this type of regression is expected, it needs to be communicated...I am tired of these somewhat idiotic moves
[04:59] <neversfelde> http://kubuntu-de.org is now a kubuntu.org twin
[05:00] <neversfelde> nemphis: you absolutely rock, thank you for all your work
[05:01] <nemphis> thx
[05:01] <nemphis> :)
[05:03] <maco> nixternal: have you missed out on the interesting beta issues the last year?
[05:04] <maco> hardy... compile flags changed and libc was updated and systems stopped booting... intrepid...dunno, didnt use it, something probably happened that i forgot about though... jaunty... intel driver goes insane 2 weeks before release
[05:41] <zayx> hey developer dudes
[05:41] <zayx> is not beig able to shutdown/reboot through kde dialogues a knowen packaging issue?
[08:07]  * Gon ausente: Ausente por el momento
[09:47] <allee-k> Anyone knows the proper way to extract from passwd the full-name in GECOS?
[09:47] <allee-k> in C++ ^^
[16:12] <Riddell> shtylman: genius!
[16:46] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can you ack this launchpad bug 407727 ?
[16:47] <lex79> thanks
[17:21] <Zorael^2> Will there be eventually be an openoffice.org-kde package in karmic? Doesn't seem to be one so far, and it looks horrid without it.
[17:27] <Riddell> Zorael^2: yes
[17:46] <maco> is using kde the reason my openoffice.org uses text with no images for all the buttons and confuses the HECK out of me?
[17:54] <Riddell> yes, there's no kde theme currently, I'll poke Chris next week to see when the kde 4 one will appear
[17:55] <Riddell> you should be able to install the gnome one though
[18:17] <RioKuro> hey everybody
[18:17] <RioKuro> does anybody know how to set my global cflags?
[18:57] <Zorael^2> Riddell: the gnome one? openoffice.org-style-human, or -default?
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Debian experimental has the kde4 stuff in their 3.1.1 packages, btw
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> 3.1.1 prerelease packages, that is
[19:05] <JontheEchidna> lex79: acked
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> except arora crashed
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> too bad apport didn't get it
[19:20] <lex79> JontheEchidna: I was wrong, kphotoalbum need pkg-kde-tools 0.4.11, in ubuntu is 0.4.6 :(
[19:23] <lex79> I posted my comment in LP, sorry.
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> somebody need to merge that I guess
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Plasma NM bugs are almost under control. I killed 20 duplicates and moved 20 more over to the plasma-widget-networkmanagement package as they were triaged
[19:55] <JontheEchidna> Still needs a bit of work if anybody's interested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-widget-network-manager
[19:56] <allee-k__> Riddell: I've added a fix for bug 390396
[20:00] <allee-k> JontheEchidna: you asked yesterday about userconfig.   I'm interested in some pykde work.  Is there somewhere a TODO for it?
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> I don't know if there's a formal TODO yet. Last I saw, there was a call for testing put out to the kubuntu-devel mailing list, with a package of the (still latest) bzr snapshot at https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental
[20:02] <JontheEchidna> allee-k: ^
[20:04] <JontheEchidna> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/guidance/userconfig-kde4 <- also
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> On the ML, it was proposed that once it got LDAP and samba integration that it could probably replace KUser
[20:09] <_Sime> I'm not sure if that is really needed...
[20:09] <_Sime> I'm also not sure who we would have to convice to get userconfig into kde svn.
[20:42] <allee-k> JontheEchidna: thx
[20:42] <allee-k> _Sime: ldap would be nice. as we here will soon: nis => ldap + krb ;)
[20:52] <_Sime> allee-k: yeah, but, if you were administering a network would you use userconfig or a tool from your server vendor?
[20:52] <_Sime> I'm not sure if userconfig should even aim at that scenario.
[20:52] <_Sime> maybe just for non-networked PCs.
[20:52] <_Sime> local accounts.
[20:59] <allee-k> _Sime: If aim would be not-networked Kubuntu desktop/netbook, then IMO there would be no need to let userconfig primary interface show 'all' of  passwd/shadow/group
[21:00] <_Sime> allee-k: that might be true too
[21:07] <allee-k> mhmm, direct addressbook  link or/and integration would be more helpful
[22:23] <davmor2> Riddell: did you get to the bottom of what is causing the issue with the live cds?
[23:33] <Riddell> davmor2:  system-config-printer-udev: Conflicts: hal-cups-utils but 0.6.19+git20090217-0ubuntu7 is to be installed
[23:34] <davmor2> Meh who needs to print anyway right?
[23:39] <Riddell> it'll get fixed with 4.3.0 on monday
[23:40] <davmor2> Riddell: cool so tuesday's cd's should be good to test again then?
[23:40] <Riddell> hope so
[23:40] <davmor2> cool
[23:45] <davmor2> Riddell: will that mean that the work shtylman has put into the ubiquity-kde front end will then show up too :)  /me hopes so it looks nice :)
[23:53] <seele> hmm.. would have liked to see a few more of my changes i recommended in the ubiquity ui
[23:53]  * seele shrugs
[23:56] <shtylman> seele: I think I got all your recommendations in