[00:43] <BUGabundo> YAY
[00:43] <BUGabundo> my web cam works again !!
[00:43] <BUGabundo> woot
[00:43]  * syn-ack spies on BUGabundo 
[00:43] <syn-ack> take off, big boy. :P
[00:43]  * syn-ack runs
[00:43]  * BUGabundo trows a lace around syn-ackfeet
[00:44] <syn-ack> ack!
[00:44] <BUGabundo> http://identi.ca/notice/7339571
[00:44] <BUGabundo> ME
[00:44] <syn-ack> I know what you look like. :P
[00:46] <syn-ack> BUGabundo, nice and AJaXy too
[00:46] <BUGabundo> hey akgraner
[00:46] <syn-ack> Love that interface
[00:46] <Oli``> Has anybody tried running gens (genesis/megadrive/megacd/etc emulator) in karmic? If so, did you get sound?
[00:46] <DanaG> how about a web.... CAN?
[00:46] <DanaG> Oof.
[00:46] <BUGabundo> Oli``: no I did not
[00:46] <akgraner> BUGabundo, hey!
[00:46] <Oli``> BUGabundo: phew - so I (probably) haven't broken something on my own
[01:09] <mattparry> Hi, Im having problems with grub installing on Alpha3, can anyone help?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> hey mattparry
[01:10] <richardcavell> What's your problem matt?
[01:10] <BUGabundo> are you fully updated?
[01:10] <mattparry> when through kubuntu alternative cd install
[01:10] <BUGabundo> ah
[01:10] <mattparry> got to grub installation, error on installing grub2
[01:11] <mattparry> cannot write to partition
[01:11] <mattparry> all standard defaults
[01:23] <EagleScreen> did u choose to install GRUB in MBR?
[01:23] <EagleScreen> installer may not ask for it
[01:25] <BUGabundo> off to bed. bye
[01:25] <Twigathy> g'night
[01:34] <xtknight> anyone else have missing icons on the tasklist (only when grouped) and menus?
[02:29] <DanaG> hmm, what's something that'd be useful to put on a fast-access-time (but slow linear read speed) SDHC card?
[02:29] <DanaG> I have an SDHC card that I don't use, that gives about 15 megbytes per second, tops.  I'm wondering... what would be useful to put on it?
[02:34] <thanks> hello
[02:35] <J-O-S-H-U-A> anyone out there?
[02:37] <EagleScreen> !ask | J-O-S-H-U-A
[02:37] <yofel> !anyone
[02:38] <yofel> hm, EagleScreen beat me to it... ^^
[02:39] <J-O-S-H-U-A> i thought my question was pretty clear and precise lol
[02:39] <EagleScreen> which question?
[02:39] <J-O-S-H-U-A> the one about anyone being here
[02:40] <yofel> J-O-S-H-U-A: as you might have noticed, that doesn't count as a question ;)
[02:40] <J-O-S-H-U-A> oh...
[02:40] <J-O-S-H-U-A> well then what is the harm then?
[02:40] <bazhang> J-O-S-H-U-A, this is for development version; chat in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:40] <J-O-S-H-U-A> okay okay...
[02:40] <J-O-S-H-U-A> so what is the reasoning behind killing pidgin?
[02:41] <J-O-S-H-U-A> and can someone tell me about ubuntu one
[02:41] <J-O-S-H-U-A> ^pretend like that was one line
[02:41] <bazhang> ---> #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:42] <J-O-S-H-U-A> i am on topic....
[02:42] <bazhang> metaquestions/discussion not for here J-O-S-H-U-A
[02:43] <J-O-S-H-U-A> metaquestions? I don't even know what that means
[02:43] <yofel> bazhang: ubuntu one yes, but replacing pidgin with empathy *does* count as karmic discussion. Or am I wrong?
[02:43] <iddo> when i try to modprobe coretemp i get "no such device", anyone can help?
[02:44] <bazhang> yofel, thanks :)
[02:44] <J-O-S-H-U-A> i asked the same question in #ubuntu and they sent me here, now you are sending me to the off topic channel, this is rather ueless
[02:45] <yofel> J-O-S-H-U-A: well, for ubuntu one you might want to go to #ubuntuone
[02:47] <J-O-S-H-U-A> doesn't seem like anyone is there
[02:47] <yofel> J-O-S-H-U-A: as for empathy you could look at https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/replace-pidgin-with-empathy
[02:47] <yofel> *sigh*
[02:48] <yofel> J-O-S-H-U-A: did you ever got to https://ubuntuone.com
[02:48] <yofel> s/got/go
[02:48] <J-O-S-H-U-A> yes i did but details are a little vague there
[02:52] <EagleScreen> it is suposed that emphaty will offer more possibilities than pidgin
[02:52] <J-O-S-H-U-A> I see that thanks
[03:38] <oldude67> i am running on an older celeron 2.4 gig r chip with 733 megs of ram, my question is until i can afford to get me a new system, how much ram should i install to make vbox not so sluggish and the board only has 2 slots?
[03:40] <EagleScreen> a modern system will run well on it, but virtualbox will waste as RAM as you configure for virtual machine in execution
[03:48] <oldude67> EagleScreen, ok i understand that, but if i can find like 2 1gig chips of ddr memory would it be a little more tolerable or am i just beating a dead horse?
[03:49] <EagleScreen> 4 GB of RAM?
[03:49] <EagleScreen> not, 2 GB?
[03:49] <EagleScreen> you only will use it if you use virtual machines
[03:50] <oldude67> well i do plan on running most everything in a virtual machine as sometimes i do stupid stuff and bork the system..easier to reinstall a virtual machine then the whole dang thing again.
[03:51] <oldude67> planning on getting a whole new system when i can get the money together...
[03:54] <oldude67> like i have already installed 9.10 on vbox already and have noticed it really really lags...and so does the base system...it runs you just have to be real patient with it.
[03:56] <oldude67> i pretty much have to close all other programs on the 9.04 base install or it probably wouldnt even run.
[04:03] <oldude67> ok everyone im out for the night, no new updates while im sleeping please..lol
[04:27] <FloridaGuy> how stable is 9.10 as of now
[04:28] <SeveredCross> Pretty stable.
[04:28] <SeveredCross> I use it day-to-day.
[04:29] <FloridaGuy> i never used an alpha or beta or rc of ubuntu....used mandriva 2009.1 sence alpha1
[04:33] <yoasif> decently stable, buggy of course
[04:33] <yoasif> heh
[04:34] <yoasif> depending on your hardware too
[04:49] <Leftmost> I'm having an issue where one of my keys won't work as Alt_L, despite being xmodmapped to do so and returning Alt_L when pressed with xev running. Any ideas?
[05:07] <FloridaGuy> can i do the upgrade to 9.04 to 9.10 cli
[05:07] <FloridaGuy> or just update manager d
[05:18] <DanaG> FloridaGuy: try "do-release-upgrade".
[05:18] <DanaG> Best when run in 'screen'.
[05:19] <FloridaGuy> run in screen...mean by update manager
[05:21] <DanaG> "screen" is a thing that makes it so that if, say, xorg crashes, the terminal with the stuff in it won't die.
[05:21] <DanaG> you can reconnect with screen -r, or connect multiple times with screen -x.
[05:21] <DanaG> do-release-upgrade is the command-line equivalent of update-manager.  Has more intelligence than just plain package upgrades.
[05:23] <FloridaGuy> update-manager -d already has 690 of 1048 packages downloaded
[05:24] <FloridaGuy> can i cancel and not screw it up
[05:24] <DanaG> yeah, if it's still just downloading, that's fine.
[05:25] <DanaG> It's only bad to stop it if it's actually started installing.
[05:26] <FloridaGuy> probly run better doing ...sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop....and not running an xserver wouldent
[05:26] <FloridaGuy> it
[05:28] <DanaG> It's not necessarily... necessary... to do that.
[05:28] <DanaG> But I guess that is a good insurance policy, so to speak.
[05:29] <FloridaGuy> plus alot of times big idownloads and installs seem a little faster with no over head like gnome and kde
[05:31] <FloridaGuy> time to get started...let everyone know what i think of it tomorrow
[05:36] <FloridaGuy> DanaG, do-release-upgrade
[05:36] <FloridaGuy> Checking for a new ubuntu release No new release found
[05:46] <DanaG> hmm, do do-release-upgrade --help
[05:46] <DanaG> there's a "consider development versions" switch, I believe.
[05:47] <FloridaGuy> ill just do the update-manager -d.....already got that started again
[08:15] <sinan> i have just upgraded to Karmic, and my sound is not working correctly. What information can I provide to help the community?
[08:15] <sinan> and where to put said information?
[08:17] <mac_v> sinan: use $ubuntu-bug <package name>
[08:18] <mac_v> sinan: do you have launchpad account?
[08:19] <sinan> mac_v: no, i'll create one now.
[08:19] <sinan> mac_v: i don't know which package has the problem exactly, i suspect it is pulseaudio
[08:20] <mac_v> sinan: For more about finding the right package> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage.
[08:20] <sinan> ok, checking
[08:20] <sinan> did anyone else complain about sound in Karmic?
[08:20] <sinan> it doesn't play from GUI-based apps
[08:21] <sinan> but if i run mplayer in the terminal, it plays ok
[08:21] <sinan> though the volume control totally doesn't work ..
[08:21] <sinan> it also keeps doing "boom" noises, like if the card is going off and on again, every .. 30 seconds
[08:21] <sinan> (not so period, though)
[08:22] <sinan> periodic*
[08:22] <mac_v> sinan: first create an account , use $ubuntu-bug command , it will show a list of similar problems , if already reported , provide extra info , if Not file a new bug
[08:22] <sinan> mac_v: the page you linked me to "does not exist yet"
[08:22] <sinan> mac_v: ok, thanks :)
[08:23] <mac_v> sinan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage < this link works, check again , you might have missed a letter
[08:23] <mac_v> i just checked
[08:23] <sinan> mac_v: yeah it does
[08:23] <sinan> i think the problem was the the dot at the end of the first link :)
[08:25] <mac_v> you might have copied it with the dot , ;p , you could have just clicked on the link ;p
[09:36] <Machtin> yohoho.. i have no sound in flash.. though i'm using the plugin from the adobe site.. why could that be?
[09:38] <gnomefreak> Machtin: try using ours but i have a feeling its your sound not so much flash
[09:39] <Machtin> hm. amarok plays test-mp3s
[09:39] <Machtin> might i need some other sound-packages i need to install?
[09:40] <gnomefreak> sound works for everything else?
[09:41] <Machtin> gnomefreak: well.. amarok does play these files at least.
[09:42] <gnomefreak> Machtin: are you playing something while trying to play a flash video?
[09:42] <areels> something wrong with volume here. it mutes after mp3 finishing to play, have to touch volume level if i wanna hear something
[09:42] <Machtin> gnomefreak: nope, absolutely not
[09:43] <gnomefreak> Machtin: change the flash plugin to ours and test. if it than fails file a bug. luckily im not one of our sound guys
[09:43] <areels> i've tried audacious and total video player or web browsers, doesn't differ with player, all doing the same, when playing finishes voila, it's muted
[09:43] <Machtin> areels: thanks :D
[09:44] <gnomefreak> areels: in Karmic?
[09:44] <areels> err, total - totem
[09:44] <areels> yea karmic
[09:44] <Machtin> gnomefreak: was just PCM being too low.. don't get why i could hear amarok-files then.. but i don't mind
[09:44]  * gnomefreak not seeing that
[09:44] <Machtin> thanks :)
[09:44] <areels> why i'm using karmic while i'm newbie with linux? i don't know that
[09:44] <gnomefreak> Machtin: flash is everything intensive maybe thats why?
[09:45] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: hi, help
[09:45] <gnomefreak> :)
[09:45] <areels> oh hold on, sound didn't mute after "invaders must die", omen started and i can still hear the sound
[09:45] <areels> i think this problem doesn't apply on the prodigy
[09:45] <gnomefreak> areels: change any settings?
[09:46] <areels> no i didnt
[09:46] <areels> where can i see logs for volume, is there any log for it?
[09:46] <gnomefreak> now does it still do it with sometihing other than invaders.....
[09:46] <gnomefreak> areels: in gnome?
[09:46] <areels> yes
[09:46] <BUGabundo> hey hey everyone
[09:46] <BUGabundo> nice raining morning :)
[09:47] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: here too
[09:47] <BUGabundo> hey gnomefreak. let me have them
[09:47] <areels> gnomefreak another strange thing happens also, i can't level up or down volume properly, i touch one degree down all sound goes, one degree up, then all comes as hell
[09:47] <gnomefreak> areels: in /var/log maybe? i looked but nothing jumped up and told me "im right here"
[09:47] <BUGabundo> what's up guys
[09:47] <BUGabundo> give me the short version!
[09:47] <BUGabundo> :D
[09:48] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: areels is having weird issue
[09:48] <BUGabundo> with PA?
[09:48] <gnomefreak> areels: sound mutes after playing something
[09:48] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: im guessing yes since its still standard in ubuntu/gnome
[09:49] <gnomefreak> its too early to ask those questions
[09:49] <BUGabundo> humm
[09:49] <areels> well that happened again, maybe karmic has AI? it doesn't like certain sounds and mutes?
[09:49] <BUGabundo> that used to happen to some ppl on jaunty
[09:49] <BUGabundo> when they were using apps that FORCED alsa
[09:49] <BUGabundo> areels: what apps are you using?
[09:49] <BUGabundo> anything that can't properly use PA?
[09:49] <areels> that's not app dependent, it applies on all
[09:49] <BUGabundo> also please install paman, pavucontrol
[09:49] <BUGabundo> and check their
[09:50] <areels> ok
[09:50] <BUGabundo> and also try to restart PA with $ killall pulseaudio
[09:50] <BUGabundo> sometimes it gets stuck
[09:50] <BUGabundo> areels: well if you have a SINGLE app forcing alsa
[09:50] <BUGabundo> sure everything breaks ;)
[09:50] <areels> what may force it?
[09:50]  * BUGabundo checks mails
[09:51] <areels> let me check active apps then
[09:51] <BUGabundo> areels: flash, some video apps, some music players
[09:51] <BUGabundo>  etc
[09:51] <BUGabundo> use pavucontril
[09:51] <BUGabundo> it will tell you
[09:51] <areels> ok
[09:51] <gnomefreak> pavucontrol
[09:51] <BUGabundo> ;) right
[09:51] <gnomefreak> ;)
[09:52] <areels> pavucontrol is telling me all muted right now
[09:53] <areels> i've only one active app
[09:53] <BUGabundo> ok
[09:54] <BUGabundo> push everylever to MAX
[09:54] <BUGabundo> also open paman
[09:54] <BUGabundo> and check prop of stream
[09:54] <BUGabundo> to see if they are at 100%
[09:54] <areels> maxed and i can hear now, installing paman
[09:54] <gnomefreak> areels: ps aux will tell you something else :) but i would say file a bug since we are not able to help with sound issues (at least until someone that knoiws sound better shows up) if BUGabundo cant help you
[09:54] <BUGabundo> I had one at 99999% once
[09:54] <BUGabundo> lol
[09:55] <gnomefreak> gedit is broke and jedit is just well ugly and it loads 2 windows to start and you have to close one to use the editor :( ill be back in a bit
[09:56] <BUGabundo> gedit?
[09:56]  * BUGabundo tests
[09:56] <BUGabundo> WFM gnomefreak
[09:56]  * BUGabundo checks for updates
[09:56] <BUGabundo> $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade is too long
[09:56] <BUGabundo> need to make an alias ;)
[09:57] <areels> connected to sing alsa_output.pci_8086_293e_sound_card_0
[09:57] <areels> volume says i'm %100 but level icon says it's like %20
[09:58] <areels> now it's %480
[09:58] <BUGabundo> hey mac_v
[09:58] <BUGabundo> oops
[09:58] <BUGabundo> there you go
[09:58] <areels> did it %100 again
[09:58] <BUGabundo> you found what was crashing your sound
[09:58] <BUGabundo> yeah
[09:58] <BUGabundo> don't count on that for long
[09:59] <BUGabundo> mine when is acting up, tend to change it self a lot
[09:59] <BUGabundo> and I go nuts
[09:59] <BUGabundo> either its at 140% ALWAYS or at 40%
[09:59] <mac_v> BUGabundo: hi... :)
[10:00] <mac_v> hi all... i just messed up my sound ! it was working fine , i changed the profile in the hardware tab , lost sound now changing back to the previous profile doesnt restore sound ,! :(
[10:00] <areels> BUGabundo http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/371/screenshotvnz.png
[10:00] <gnomefreak> what is it with the sound problems today?
[10:00]  * gnomefreak still gone
[10:01] <gnomefreak> 3209 changesets with 17647 changes to 7317 files (+5 heads)  << is going to be a while im sure.
[10:01] <mac_v> ah ha... sound restored... restarted PA
[10:01] <BUGabundo> mac_v: eheh today seem a _guud_ day to fix sound probs lol
[10:01] <mac_v> fixed it :)
[10:01] <areels> haha
[10:01] <BUGabundo> mac_v: $ pulseaudio -k
[10:01] <BUGabundo> several times until it dies for good
[10:02] <BUGabundo> ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[10:02] <BUGabundo> what music player is that areels?
[10:02] <areels> audacious
[10:02] <mac_v> not messing with it for now... ;p maybe next time...
[10:02] <BUGabundo> areels: well that fine at 100% now
[10:02] <BUGabundo> and does audacious use PA or ALSA?
[10:02] <BUGabundo> see on the Playback tab of pavucontrol
[10:03] <mac_v> BUGabundo:  but sound isnt as good as in Jaunty... :( , i guess its the PCM level, how do i get to it?
[10:03] <BUGabundo> its better now
[10:03] <areels> it doesnt say what used by BUGabundo
[10:03] <BUGabundo> but there is this damn thing called Flat Audio
[10:04] <BUGabundo> its the worse implemention they could have come up
[10:04] <BUGabundo> :(
[10:06] <areels> audacious is using PA
[10:07] <areels> should i switch to alsa?
[10:07] <mac_v> BUGabundo: BTW , wht happened to the icons ? is it the libgnome update?
[10:07] <mac_v> no icons in context menu or buttons!
[10:08] <areels> i still believe there is hidden artifical intelligence module in karmic and it volumes down songs if not likes
[10:08] <BUGabundo> areels: NO
[10:08] <BUGabundo> mac_v: *again*!?!
[10:08] <BUGabundo> areels: :))
[10:10] <BUGabundo> mac_v: can't see anything in the last updates that could cause it
[10:10] <BUGabundo> hey OiPenguin
[10:10] <mac_v> yesterday's update killed all my icons!
[10:11] <BUGabundo> not here
[10:11] <BUGabundo> I had all updates at night and rebooted fine
[10:11] <BUGabundo> 32 or 64 bits?
[10:11] <mac_v> 32
[10:11] <BUGabundo> last time that happened it was a messed lib on 64 bit
[10:11] <BUGabundo> mac_v: we need some one else to confirm it
[10:11] <BUGabundo> please make a backup of your apt.logs
[10:11] <mac_v> yesterday there where a few who had the same problem
[10:12] <BUGabundo> oh
[10:13] <mac_v> was it libgnome which did it for the 64 bit? I think i'll file a bug for libgnome then
[10:15] <mac_v> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-July/005347.html i think this was the prob
[10:16]  * BUGabundo reads
[10:17] <BUGabundo> could be
[10:17] <BUGabundo> ping seb128 on #ubuntu-devel
[10:17] <BUGabundo> if he is around
[10:17] <BUGabundo> hey arand
[10:17] <mac_v> oh ok...
[10:17] <BUGabundo> yofel [[[]]]
[10:17] <gnomefreak> in #ubuntu-bugs instead
[10:17] <BUGabundo> mac_v: those kind of bugs to get HIGH prio
[10:18] <gnomefreak> #ubuntu-devel wont help you
[10:18] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: he is not online
[10:18] <BUGabundo> hey dupondje
[10:18] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: its weekend did you expect him to be?
[10:18] <dupondje> hey :D
[10:18] <arand> BUGabundo: heya
[10:18] <BUGabundo> we are :D
[10:19] <mac_v> i had the prob since yesterday, hoped some else would file a bug ;p , guess i'll have to move my lazy a$$
[10:19] <BUGabundo> but seem several devs *do* have a live outside the place between the keyb and the chair gnomefreak
[10:19] <dupondje> whats the auto sync page again from ubuntu
[10:19] <BUGabundo> mac_v: you have too. I can't do it for you. diff arch :)
[10:19] <dupondje> where it notes the packages that get synced from debian ?
[10:19] <mac_v> ;p
[10:19] <BUGabundo> dupondje: no idea what you are talking about
[10:19] <BUGabundo> ahh
[10:19] <BUGabundo> *that*
[10:20] <gnomefreak> i would hope so. i even get yelled at for working on here too much. im only here a few hours in the morning
[10:20] <BUGabundo> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-edu-doc
[10:20] <BUGabundo> LOLOLOLOL
[10:20] <BUGabundo> stupid google plugin
[10:20] <BUGabundo> I wrote "/google wiki ubuntu auto sync debian"
[10:20] <BUGabundo> gota be careful with this thing
[10:20] <BUGabundo> http://gnomefreak.livejournal.com/
[10:20] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: "/google gnomefreak"
[10:21] <mac_v> i just applied a fresh batch of todays updates , i'll restart and check one final time
[10:21] <dupondje> http://merges.ubuntu.com :D
[10:21] <BUGabundo> ok
[10:22] <gnomefreak> i forgot about that account#ubuntu-desktop too but that is iffy since its mostly a dev channel
[10:22] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: http://www.macno.org/denticator/?user=gnomefreak
[10:23] <BUGabundo> don't you sleep?
[10:23] <BUGabundo> lol
[10:23] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: define sleep :)
[10:23] <BUGabundo> eheh
[10:24] <BUGabundo> letting go of the keyb for more then 1h
[10:25] <gnomefreak> 74 dents is way too high. but you have a lot more. you are like only person i see denting but i have alot of people i follow
[10:25] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: 100 dents per day on the last 7 days
[10:25] <BUGabundo> LOL
[10:26] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: where did you get mine from? i cant find it outside the link you gave me
[10:27] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: where do expect to find that? I just know #denticator and #overlap
[10:28] <BUGabundo> http://statuses.org/tools/overlap?user1=bugabundo&user2=gnomefreak
[10:30] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thanks :)
[10:30] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: np
[10:30] <BUGabundo> hey LSD|Ninja
[10:30] <BUGabundo> dashua stuck in the door ?
[10:33] <BUGabundo> anyone else can confirm or deny this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/261175 ?
[10:33] <BUGabundo> been having it since forever
[10:35] <mac_v> BUGabundo: yup... i can confirm
[10:36] <BUGabundo> TY
[10:36] <BUGabundo> can you state it there and add your sources.list?
[10:36] <mac_v> and this is in my karmic , fresh install...
[10:36] <mac_v> ok
[10:36] <gnomefreak> asking in #ubuntu-bugs might get you more of a response. maybe PPA is doing it?
[10:37] <Boohbah> i'm trying to use usb-creator in hardy to write karmic alpha 3 netbook remix iso to my usb stick. i created a clean w95 fat32 partition and set the bootable flag, then run usb-creator. i've had success with this hardware and older images. why won't it boot?
[10:37] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: PPAs don't use this branchs eihter
[10:37] <BUGabundo> Boohbah: humm
[10:38] <BUGabundo> Boohbah: remove all partitions and let usb-creator make its own partition
[10:38] <Boohbah> ok i'll try that
[10:38] <BUGabundo> also UC may be broke, or UNR
[10:38] <BUGabundo> or even bad support from syslinux for that HW
[10:39] <BUGabundo> if all fails, get the latest syslinux upstream
[10:39] <BUGabundo> and run it on the USBstick after running UC, with safemode flag
[10:39] <gnomefreak> just my luck. mozilla-devscripts stalled/died :(
[10:39] <BUGabundo> see man syslinux
[10:39] <BUGabundo> Boohbah: remember to use the locally downloaded syslinux and not the system one, lol
[10:39] <BUGabundo> hey thekorn
[10:40] <BUGabundo> thekorn: haven't seen you around! vacations?
[10:40] <thekorn> hola BUGabundo
[10:40] <thekorn> BUGabundo, no, drunken
[10:40] <thekorn> ;)
[10:40] <thekorn> comon, it's weekend
[10:40] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: i think that is saying that on upgrade (example 8.04-->9.04 instead of going to 9.10 unless use the -d option
[10:40] <gnomefreak> )*
[10:40] <Boohbah> BUGabundo: what do you mean local vs system?
[10:41] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: ?? are we talking about the same thing?
[10:41] <gnomefreak> or better yet packages from stable version inwstead of grabbing unreleased packages from devel-cycle?
[10:41] <BUGabundo> Boohbah: ./syslinux and not just $syslinux
[10:41] <Boohbah> BUGabundo: oh, yes, if i decide to get upstream
[10:42] <BUGabundo> right
[10:42] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: the word "distribution" gives me that assumption
[10:42] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: but *we* don't have any branch called like thart
[10:43] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: you changed branch to distribution didnt you? or other way around
[10:44] <gnomefreak> summary:  	 - synaptic mentions "stable" branche
[10:44] <gnomefreak> + synaptic mentions "stable" distribution
[10:44] <gnomefreak> it wasnt you but that is it
[10:44] <mac_v> BUGabundo: i think the problem maybe , since we add custom repos?
[10:44] <mac_v> those have "stable"
[10:45] <BUGabundo> do they?
[10:45] <BUGabundo> oh right from google, opera, and stuff
[10:45] <BUGabundo> right
[10:45] <BUGabundo> could be that
[10:46]  * gnomefreak has alot of PPA's :) adding more as we speak but i do not suggest doing that
[10:47] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: I bet you don't even come close to me!!
[10:47] <BUGabundo> LOL
[10:47] <BUGabundo> the only thing I ever saw with more PPAs them me was Ubuntu Ultimate remix
[10:48] <gnomefreak> let me pastebin it real fast :)
[10:48] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit /etc/apt/sources.listhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/241345/
[10:49]  * BUGabundo nothing beats pastebinit ahah
[10:49] <gnomefreak> http://paste.ubuntu.com/241346/  im looking at yours
[10:49] <BUGabundo> $ wc -l /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:49] <BUGabundo> 72 /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:49] <BUGabundo> $ grep deb /etc/apt/sources.list | wc -l  59
[10:49] <BUGabundo> should be more accurete
[10:50] <BUGabundo> pff
[10:50] <gnomefreak> i have 56
[10:50] <BUGabundo> you have several lines!
[10:50] <BUGabundo> I compact every repo
[10:51] <gnomefreak> compact?
[10:51] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: tip: if you have the #comment in front of the deb line it will show on apt-cache
[10:51] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yes i know
[10:51] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: like you have
[10:51] <BUGabundo> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu karmic-security main restricted deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu karmic-security main restricted deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu karmic-security universe deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu karmic-security universe deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu karmic-security multiverse
[10:51] <BUGabundo> I just have ONE for that
[10:52] <BUGabundo> # deb ftp://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ karmic-security main restricted universe multiverse
[10:52] <BUGabundo> all pockets in one line
[10:52] <gnomefreak> i see what you mean. eh since its not used atm and this system is always on dev-cycle
[10:52] <mac_v> gnomefreak: how well does midori handle flash and streaming videos? is it CPU intensive ?does it eat memory?
[10:53] <gnomefreak> mac_v: not sure i dont have it installed atm, its been a while since i used it
[10:53] <mac_v> ah... saw your list ... just though you used it :)
[10:55] <gnomefreak> mac_v: i do but since reinstall and eye surgerys i havent thought about it
[10:56] <mac_v> oh...
[10:56] <mac_v> :)
[10:59] <gnomefreak> its int he ubuntu repos
[11:00] <gnomefreak> s/int/ in
[11:01]  * BUGabundo starts to unsub from *old* bugs that no long apply, like bug 325252
[11:13] <mac_v> BUGabundo: Bug #407621 , seems gnome wants to remove icons!
[11:13] <BUGabundo> lol
[11:14] <BUGabundo>            The change is not a bug but a GNOME  design decision
[11:14] <BUGabundo> hahaaha
[11:15] <BUGabundo> mac_v: where is the upstrem rationale?
[11:16] <mac_v> BUGabundo:   Bug #407474:
[11:16] <mac_v> This report is public edit
[11:16] <gnomefreak> mac_v: gnome doesnt want to remove icons. mine are fine
[11:17] <BUGabundo> mine too
[11:17] <gnomefreak> mac_v: testin midori on outube atm
[11:17] <mac_v> gnomefreak: i didnt say that , seb did
[11:17] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: but seb128 confirmed it
[11:17] <mac_v> \o/ midori
[11:18] <gnomefreak> mac_v: midori+flash on youtube works here fine
[11:19]  * gnomefreak watching hot chicks at comic-con (its not what you think
[11:19] <gnomefreak> )*
[11:19] <mac_v> its just that sometimes i let flash running in firefox , i was thinking of using another app for flask and stuff
[11:19] <gnomefreak> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpC8Mwhi21E&feature=haxa_popt00us02
[11:20]  * richardcavell wonders what all these Ubuntu geeks are doing on IRC on a Saturday night.  Why aren't they out with their girlfriends?
[11:21] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: what gfs?
[11:21]  * gnomefreak working on a few things but im putting SM2.1 off till next week i think
[11:21] <BUGabundo> do you have a spare you can lend for a weekend?
[11:21] <Boohbah> richardcavell: i dumped her
[11:21] <Boohbah> :D
[11:21] <richardcavell> Boohbah: Okay, mate, whatever you need to tell yourself :)
[11:22] <gnomefreak> guys lets use #ubuntu-offtoic for that stuff :) thanks
[11:22] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: :)
[11:22] <Boohbah> i promise i'll start bughunting once i get this darn thing installed
[11:22] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: ahhhh and I was already missing ikonia ;)
[11:23] <richardcavell> I've filed at least 10 bugs on karmic
[11:23] <richardcavell> they only have two months to sort all the bugs out
[11:23] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: that's all?
[11:23] <BUGabundo> and me filling like a slacker
[11:23] <BUGabundo> I can do that on a weekend :)
[11:24] <richardcavell> BUGabundo: I'm only going for the ones that crash my system
[11:24] <BUGabundo> ahh
[11:24] <richardcavell> Most of the bugs I file don't get looked at
[11:24] <BUGabundo> 10 would be a close number
[11:24] <BUGabundo> me too
[11:24] <BUGabundo> but that's bad
[11:24] <richardcavell> I tend to only file the bugs where I think there's a clear way forward for the developer
[11:24] <BUGabundo> I've stopped filling the little things cause I know they are just goingto stay in there
[11:25] <richardcavell> I mean, some bugs have an obvious solution, or you can track down the solution
[11:25] <BUGabundo> but they really should be fixed
[11:25] <BUGabundo> this is for Human Being not for geeks and workarounds
[11:25] <BUGabundo> we *need* more manpower
[11:25] <richardcavell> Like, on Karmic I'm getting this error where you get an underscore instead of an underline
[11:25] <richardcavell> So on xchat instead of Connect with a _ under the C, it comes up as C_onnect
[11:26] <richardcavell> Now, I can send them a screenshot and they can hunt down exactly where the bug is
[11:26] <richardcavell> easy peasy
[11:26] <richardcavell> other bugs are not so simple
[11:26] <richardcavell> for example, on my laptop the screen goes black for about 2 seconds every couple of hours and comes back on again
[11:26] <gnomefreak> richardcavell: try _connect_
[11:26] <richardcavell> how do you find where the bug is?
[11:26] <richardcavell> gnomefreak: I'm saying the button looks wrong and the keyboard shortcut doesn't work
[11:27] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: I get that screensaver thing too. its filled on LP
[11:27] <gnomefreak> richardcavell: if you filed it or commented on it or such iis in your LP home page under bugs
[11:27] <gnomefreak> richardcavell: ah
[11:27] <BUGabundo> richardcavell: if you file the undersocer one, sub me to it too
[11:27] <BUGabundo> I have this one with Kmail where it makes me open it twice to get a GUI
[11:27] <BUGabundo> the first run just leave it on the backgroud
[11:27] <BUGabundo> I guess I could file that one
[11:27] <BUGabundo> :)
[11:28] <richardcavell> gnomefreak: look at bug #404512
[11:28] <richardcavell> I filed one about xchat but it was marked as a duplicate
[11:28] <richardcavell> it's something to do with gtk - lots of apps have the underscore problem
[11:31] <BUGabundo> I've seen a few
[11:32] <richardcavell> well they have two months to fix the whole distro
[11:33] <BUGabundo> right
[11:33] <BUGabundo> as if
[11:33] <BUGabundo> we just get another devel and carry on
[11:33] <BUGabundo> its not Ubuntu devs place to fix all bugs
[11:33] <BUGabundo> its Upstream
[11:34] <gnomefreak> richardcavell: steps to reproduce the underscore time one?
[11:36] <richardcavell> gnomefreak: it happens all the time on my machine
[11:36] <richardcavell> gnomefreak: and xchat has it bad too
[11:36] <gnomefreak> richardcavell: how do you get to the dialog? i cant find it (its also very early for me still
[11:36]  * gnomefreak cant stand Xchat
[11:37] <richardcavell> gnomefreak: System -> Administration > -> Time and Date
[11:37] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: did you say you can reproduce that bug?
[11:37] <richardcavell> in xchat, when I select List of Channels... every keyboard shortcut is incorrect
[11:40] <BUGabundo> hooo I see the _Unlock one
[11:40] <BUGabundo> LOL
[11:40] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: seems I can LOL
[11:41] <BUGabundo> OHHH
[11:41] <BUGabundo> the World Map is crazy
[11:41] <BUGabundo> black and pinki
[11:41] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: comment on the bug please
[11:41] <BUGabundo> the timezone map is broken
[11:42] <gnomefreak> gdm confirmed commented on it
[11:42] <BUGabundo> The following errors were encountered: Server error, please  contact an administrator. OOPS ID:OOPS-1309EB100
[11:42] <BUGabundo> lol
[11:42]  * gnomefreak 75% sure its gdm
[11:42] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: i might have been working on it still please try again
[11:42] <BUGabundo>            If this is blocking your work, let us know by sending an  message to           feedback@launchpad.net.           Include the error ID           OOPS-1309EA109           in your message.
[11:42] <BUGabundo> darn
[11:42] <BUGabundo> LP down
[11:42] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: no
[11:42] <BUGabundo> let me use Production instead
[11:43] <gnomefreak> edge works here
[11:43] <BUGabundo> ahh
[11:43] <BUGabundo> you where changing it
[11:43] <BUGabundo> at the same time I was
[11:43] <BUGabundo> lp bug :)
[11:43] <gnomefreak> :)
[11:44] <gnomefreak> not really a  bug since the page has to save you will run into conflicts
[11:44] <BUGabundo> so?
[11:44] <BUGabundo> it should be able to handle those conflits
[11:44] <gnomefreak> ok smoke --> email
[11:44] <BUGabundo> on a better way then an OOPS
[11:44] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: once page is refreshed it does
[11:44] <BUGabundo> don't smoke!
[11:44] <BUGabundo> I don't get it. you have healf probs and still smoke
[11:45] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: thats like tell ing you to no blog ;)
[11:45] <BUGabundo> you want to die soon(ner)
[11:45] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: asap
[11:45] <BUGabundo> grr
[11:45] <BUGabundo> not the samething
[11:45] <gnomefreak> be back
[11:45] <BUGabundo> but icant stop µblogging either
[11:45] <mac_v> BUGabundo: i found the workaround for the icons>we just need to change the gconf settings Bug #407621
[11:46] <BUGabundo> 1o/
[11:46]  * BUGabundo that's a minigun on my right arm :)
[11:46] <mac_v> hehe
[11:47] <BUGabundo> question: where aren't you seeing the icons?
[11:48] <mac_v> lol ... now i can see them after i set the options
[11:49] <BUGabundo> mac_v: question: where aren't you seeing the icons?
[11:50] <cdE|Woozy> even the favicons in firefox' bookmarks and search engine dropdown list are gone :(
[11:50] <mac_v> BUGabundo: the icons where removed from dialogue buttons , drop down menus , context menus
[11:51] <BUGabundo> screenshor after and before?
[11:51] <mac_v> cdE|Woozy: check this bug for a workaround Bug #407621
[11:51] <oslito> hi, I need help with grub setup on xubuntu 9.10 alpha3
[11:52] <oslito> I cannot find menu.lst
[11:52] <oslito> to add vista :>
[11:52] <gnomefreak> guys libgnome is 2.27.5-0ubuntu1
[11:53] <gnomefreak> 2.26 has the problem from what i see on the bug
[11:53] <BUGabundo> !info libgnome
[11:53] <gnomefreak> oslito: give me a minute its a .cfg file
[11:53] <gnomefreak> !info libgnome-2.0
[11:53] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: libgnome what?
[11:53] <cdE|Woozy> !info libgnome2-0
[11:53] <BUGabundo> need more
[11:54] <oslito> gnomefreak: ok, thx
[11:54] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 2.27.5-0ubuntu1
[11:54] <BUGabundo> mac_v: ^^^?
[11:54] <mac_v> BUGabundo: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/icons.png
[11:54] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy libgnome2-0
[11:54] <BUGabundo> I saw that on the bug
[11:54] <mac_v> wait
[11:54] <BUGabundo> just don't know how it looks the other way
[11:55] <BUGabundo> :)
[11:55] <mac_v> BUGabundo: http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/icons%20return.png
[11:56] <gnomefreak> oslito: its in /boot/grub/grub.cgf
[11:56] <mac_v> worse is , it removes favicons from firefox bookmarks [drop down ]!
[11:56] <gnomefreak> sorry its grub.cfg
[11:57] <oslito> ok, i'll try to edit
[11:58] <BUGabundo> ahhhh there it is
[11:58] <BUGabundo> been looking for that gnomefreak
[11:59] <mac_v> gnomefreak: you dont have to edit grub.cfg [you shouldnt actually]
[11:59] <BUGabundo> oh wait
[11:59] <BUGabundo> I see it now on gedit
[11:59] <BUGabundo> no icon
[11:59] <BUGabundo> LOL
[11:59] <BUGabundo> mac_v: then how do i comment on a stanza?
[12:00] <gnomefreak> mac_v: thats where the menu.lst moved to. i dont  know enough about grub2 to tell you other ways
[12:00] <BUGabundo> !grub2
[12:00] <gnomefreak> gedit wont stop crashing here and its a known bug
[12:00] <mac_v> gnomefreak: BUGabundo options are edited in /etc/grub.d
[12:01] <mac_v> gnomefreak: BUGabundo and in /etc/default/grub
[12:01] <gnomefreak> he left oops
[12:01] <mac_v> yeah...
[12:02] <mac_v> you can edit grub,cfg actually , its set to read-only even for root
[12:02] <BUGabundo> Could not save the file /boot/grub/grub.cfg.
[12:02] <BUGabundo> WTH
[12:02] <mac_v> BUGabundo: ^
[12:02] <BUGabundo> yeah
[12:02] <BUGabundo> darn
[12:02]  * BUGabundo takes a look at /etc/grub.d
[12:02] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: sudo?
[12:03] <mac_v> gnomefreak: even sudo doesnt do it
[12:03] <yacc> Is there a description how to upgrade a Jaunty system to Karmic?
[12:03]  * lupine_85 reckons karmic is pretty goofd
[12:03] <lupine_85> good*
[12:03] <gnomefreak> yacc: update-manager -d
[12:04] <mac_v> gnomefreak: i found a workaround for gedit too...
[12:04] <mac_v> gnomefreak: open a file which has *not* been edited , and then try opening the file you want to edit , now you wont have crashes
[12:04] <gnomefreak> mac_v: is it a secret?
[12:04] <gnomefreak> mac_v: yeah i saw that
[12:05] <yacc> gnomefreak, Just to be sure, no way to downgrade if it goes even sourer than Jaunty is?
[12:05] <BUGabundo> grrrrr
[12:05] <gnomefreak> yacc: right
[12:05] <BUGabundo> can't see where to comment a stanza
[12:05] <gnomefreak> yacc: it is more broken that jaunty
[12:05] <mac_v> BUGabundo: what do you want to comment?
[12:05] <yacc> gnomefreak, well, the question what is broken ;)
[12:05] <BUGabundo> 31-4
[12:06] <BUGabundo> it won't work with my 3G modem
[12:06] <yacc> gnomefreak, I'm not that so much into Gnome or KDE ;)
[12:06] <BUGabundo> it freezes the system
[12:06] <BUGabundo> so no use to boot from it
[12:06] <BUGabundo> yacc: $ do-release-upgrade -d
[12:06] <BUGabundo> works even on servers
[12:06] <mac_v> BUGabundo: that you can do that comment in grub.cfg itself, change the permission to read and write and after edit change it back
[12:06] <yacc> gnomefreak, and Jaunty has a kernel that grills my laptop ;)
[12:07] <gnomefreak> oslito: it wont save i take it? try editing /etc/grub.d
[12:07] <mac_v> gnomefreak: oslito  no
[12:07] <yacc> gnomefreak, experiments suggest that 2.6.30 mainline ppa does not grill my CPU ;)
[12:07] <oslito> ok. i'll wait
[12:07] <mac_v> oslito: just update and run $sudo grub-update
[12:08] <oslito> ok, i'll do thx
[12:08] <BUGabundo> kewl. su works :)
[12:08] <gnomefreak> yacc: some video cards dont work in karmic so X well wont work
[12:08] <yacc> gnomefreak, print some
[12:08] <BUGabundo> ctrl+d
[12:08] <yacc> gnomefreak, print "nvidia" in some_video_cards_do_not_work_in_karmic
[12:08] <gnomefreak> yacc: off hand anything using the nvidia-glx-173 (or most of them)
[12:08] <BUGabundo> done mac_v
[12:09] <mac_v> oslito: Bug #402795 has been fixed
[12:09] <gnomefreak> yacc: intel some of them and ati you need to use upstream for restricted drivers or use our free ones
[12:09] <BUGabundo> yacc: nvida works fine here
[12:09] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: your on the 180 drivers
[12:09] <yacc> gnomefreak, I'm using currently nvidia-180
[12:09] <oslito> mac_v: thx - update ongoing
[12:10] <yacc> gnomefreak, the free ones work similiarly well for my laptop.
[12:10] <gnomefreak> the 180 drivers work here most people have issues with the 173 drivers since it moved to legacy
[12:11] <gnomefreak> mac_v: for fixing grub due to windows all you have to do is run update?
[12:12] <mac_v> gnomefreak: yup
[12:12] <gnomefreak> oh thats too easy
[12:13] <mac_v> hehe ;p
[12:13] <BUGabundo> isn't that been the way for ever?
[12:14] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: no you used to have to fix it using installer or chroot into it
[12:14] <gnomefreak> !grub
[12:15]  * BUGabundo someone needs to update that for karmic
[12:15]  * BUGabundo steps back
[12:15] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: !grub2
[12:15] <mac_v> !grub2
[12:15] <richardcavell> GRUB 2 rocks
[12:15] <yacc> to upgrade or not, that's the question, ...
[12:16] <BUGabundo> yacc: no question
[12:16] <BUGabundo> do ir
[12:16] <BUGabundo> *it
[12:17] <mac_v> oslito: you dont even have to do anything in the terminal , if you complete the updates that issue should be fixed, if the windows item is missing , only then you need to run $sudo update-grub
[12:17] <yacc> BUGabundo, well, guess that's the answer. I means it's 1PM, I've got till 6PM to pick up a new hdd if it does not work out (because I need the old hdd's content). LUKS & LVM nowadays make it so nice, I remember the times where I had a cryptoloop based setup where one had to wonder if the data is accessible after an upgrade ;)
[12:18] <oslito> mac_v: ok, i'll try to reboot after update thx
[12:21] <BUGabundo> yacc: with grub2 full support for LVM makes it SO nice
[12:22] <yacc> BUGabundo, not here I guess, considering that my LVM PV is hidden in a LUKS volume.
[12:22] <BUGabundo> no idea
[12:26] <gnomefreak> !info libnss3-1d hardy
[12:27] <gnomefreak> i thought we updated that already
[12:27] <gnomefreak> oh damn sorry wrong channel
[12:27] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: wasn't asac messing with that?
[12:27] <BUGabundo> gnomefreak: :)
[12:27] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo: yes
[12:34] <ranga> I have a problem with network speed throttling down unexpectedly.  The machine connects through a wireless N router as wired gigE.  The router is performing fine since another machine in Windows that connects wirelessly to the same router doesn't see this speed drop when it is occuring on this machine in question.  I am running Ubuntu 9.10.  When I restart my network using /etc/init.d/networking restart, there is no change.
[12:34] <ranga>   
[12:34] <ranga>  I tried defining the /etc/network/interfaces to include eth0 and wlan0 but that didn't help either.  The only way I can get the speed back to the original 6 mbps range is by rebooting the machine.  Even then not all reboots restore the network speed.  The speed drops to as low as 200 kbps.  I am using a bandwidth testing site to measure.  I don't see any errors that I can spot in "dmesg".  I have been using linux a while a
[12:34] <ranga> nd like to play with it but in this case, I don't know where to begin.  Also, I had this similar problem with Fedora and Suse as well.  So, I suspect hardware but how can I confirm?
[12:34] <BUGabundo> Hi_guys: LOL nice nick
[12:34] <Hi_guys> BUGabundo, thanks :)
[12:35] <Hi_guys> BUGabundo, the problem with that nick is Xchat always popup when someone say hi guys :)
[12:35] <BUGabundo> ranga: can you _force_ the 54mb or even higher
[12:35] <BUGabundo> ?
[12:35] <BUGabundo> Hi_guys: hi gbet ! LOL
[12:36] <ranga> I am not sure what you mean
[12:36] <ranga> this is the wired connection that is causing the problem
[12:38] <BUGabundo> wired?
[12:38] <BUGabundo> lol
[12:39] <BUGabundo> for some reason I read wifi
[12:39]  * BUGabundo re-reads backlog
[12:39] <BUGabundo> "ranga: I have a problem with network ...wireless N router"
[12:39] <BUGabundo> that was it
[12:40] <ranga> The reason I mentioned the wireless N router is to say that another machine connects to it wirelessly and is fine even when this machine is experiencing sever network slowdown
[12:40] <BUGabundo> ok
[12:40] <BUGabundo> eth card?
[12:40] <ranga> onboard NIC
[12:40] <BUGabundo> Hi_guys: hi :)
[12:41] <BUGabundo> ranga: we need more then that
[12:41] <mac_v> hi guys
[12:41] <BUGabundo> pastebin lspci
[12:41] <mac_v> hehe
[12:41] <BUGabundo> mac_v: _D
[12:41] <ranga> please let me know what?
[12:41] <Hi_guys> BUGabundo, Yop, i've just reboot from fglrx install :)
[12:41] <BUGabundo> ranga: sorry. not an experience user?
[12:41] <BUGabundo> Hi_guys: does it work?
[12:41]  * BUGabundo its hard to type that nick
[12:42] <Hi_guys> BUGabundo, Yep, fine, the latest version 9.7
[12:42] <Hi_guys> BUGabundo, now i've to make few tests
[12:42] <ranga> reasonably.  I am looking into the dmesg output for the appropriate section
[12:42] <BUGabundo> ranga: $ lspci -v | pastebinit
[12:42] <BUGabundo> you may need to install pastebint
[12:42] <Hi_guys> BUGabundo, I'll let you know what's going on :)
[12:42] <BUGabundo> okay
[12:44] <ranga> http://pastebin.com/f6da8ac63
[12:45] <BUGabundo> nice GPU :)
[12:45] <legend2440> is grub2 going to be included in koala by default?
[12:45] <BUGabundo> 03:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek  Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet  controller (rev 03)
[12:45] <BUGabundo> legend2440: already is
[12:45] <legend2440> BUGabundo: ok thanks
[12:45] <BUGabundo> ranga: can you look on LP about bugs for that card?
[12:47] <legend2440> BUGabundo: in koala i can still choose ext3 if i dont want ext4 right? i use partimage and it doesnt work with ext4
[12:47] <BUGabundo> legend2440: yes
[12:47] <BUGabundo> but ext4 is soo nice
[12:47] <BUGabundo> love the speed of fsck on it
[12:48] <BUGabundo> and deletes are much faster too
[12:48] <BUGabundo> legend2440: why using partimage?
[12:48] <BUGabundo> just leave the space
[12:48] <ranga> It looks like there is some possible issue with 9.04 and this hardware
[12:49] <BUGabundo> but you are on karmic
[12:49] <ranga> yep
[12:49] <BUGabundo> many things have changed in the kernel
[12:49] <ranga> I don't see anything with karmic
[12:49] <BUGabundo> ok
[12:50] <BUGabundo> care to describe it again so I can find a reproction case?
[12:51] <BUGabundo> ranga: and can you open a bug to collect all this data?
[12:51] <BUGabundo> ranga: $ ubuntu-bug linux
[12:51] <ranga> actually, one person does report that he didn't have the issue with 2.6.30-4 but
[12:51] <ranga> I don't see that
[12:51] <BUGabundo> then describe it, and add all the logs that LP asks for
[12:51] <mac_v> gnomefreak: are you using your /home from a pervious install or is it a fresh install? have you modified the gconf keys earlier?
[12:51] <BUGabundo> ranga: you are on what kernel ?
[12:51] <gnomefreak> mac_v: define un edited file in reguards to gedit work around
[12:52] <ranga> Linux Myrkyr 2.6.31-4-generic #23-Ubuntu
[12:52] <gnomefreak> mac_v: im using files nad folders from my backed up /home but not the full /home dir
[12:52] <legend2440> BUGabundo: i use partimage because i have sysrescuecd in my / directory and use an autorun script to backup my ubuntu partition every once in a while by choosing it from grub menu list. it makes for a nice automated way to do backups
[12:53] <mac_v> gnomefreak: i guess that you might have edited the gconf , and forgotten about it
[12:53]  * gnomefreak has to find a better backup app that lets me choose file/folder and tars the back up up
[12:53] <gnomefreak> mac_v: nope other than update-manager update-notifier i didnt touch it
[12:54] <gnomefreak> mac_v: what does gconf have to do with?
[12:54] <mac_v> gnomefreak: the gnome sets the icons to false ,
[12:54] <mac_v> gnomefreak: we can change it in gconf to true
[12:55] <mac_v> oh we are talking about different things.... ! lol
[12:55] <gnomefreak> mac_v: i didnt touch it but this is a fresh install not an upgrade
[12:56] <mac_v> gnomefreak: unedited file , something which you havent edited example > ~/.aspell.en.prepl
[12:56] <mac_v> anyfile which you havent scrolled or added info
[12:56] <gnomefreak> that file has been edited at one time or another :)
[12:57] <mac_v> i didnt edit that file... any other file which you have not edited ,
[12:57] <gnomefreak> mac_v: ok
[12:58] <gnomefreak> mac_v: thanks
[12:58] <mac_v> ~/.recently-used
[12:58] <gnomefreak> testing
[13:00] <gnomefreak> mac_v: thanks. thats alot of work for something that shouldnt be needed :)
[13:01]  * mac_v confused if gnomefreak is mocking or really grateful 
[13:02] <gnomefreak> mac_v: little of both ;)\
[13:02] <BUGabundo> off to lunch. gone convert one more user after lunch :)
[13:02] <ranga> BUGabundo: I submitted a but in LP for this
[13:03] <ranga> Thanks
[13:03] <BUGabundo> np
[13:03] <BUGabundo> thank you
[13:03] <gnomefreak> have fun BUGabundo
[13:12] <SKB> Errors were encountered while processing: gnome-accessibility-themes
[13:12] <SKB> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[13:12] <SKB> i'm tired of this, any thoughts?
[13:17] <BluesKaj> hi folks
[13:33] <richardcavell> allquixotic: I want to know how your graphics stack is different.  I'm using karmic alpha 3 with all updates applied.
[13:33] <allquixotic> richardcavell: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa
[13:33] <allquixotic> richardcavell: see all those (very recent) commits that are not part of a tagged release? Yeah. I have those.
[13:34] <allquixotic> richardcavell: same goes for xf86-video-intel, the xserver itself, etc
[13:34] <richardcavell> allquixotic: Okay
[13:35] <allquixotic> richardcavell: the later Ubuntu is into the current development version's release cycle, the more out of sync their graphics stack will get with the git master
[13:35] <allquixotic> richardcavell: particularly by about Beta time, you won't see any new major version pushes usually
[13:35] <allquixotic> only bugfix point releases
[13:35] <richardcavell> allquixotic: is mesa the standard opengl implementation on karmic?
[13:36] <richardcavell> Is there even another option?
[13:36] <allquixotic> richardcavell: Mesa is the _only_ hardware-accelerated OpenGL implementation I know of that is free software
[13:36] <allquixotic> and it's the only one that supports the Intel chips
[13:36] <richardcavell> There you go putting that free software qualification on it again
[13:36] <allquixotic> I don't know of any proprietary Intel drivers if that's what you mean.
[13:36] <allquixotic> except Poulsbo, which is for a completely unrelated chipset they bought from PowerVR
[13:36] <ikonia> the intel modules are open
[13:37] <richardcavell> I think the intel drivers are made with the support of Intel
[13:37] <richardcavell> unlike nvidia, who do their own drivers
[13:37] <richardcavell> in addition to releasing info with which others have made their open versions
[13:37] <allquixotic> richardcavell: What I'm trying to say is, Mesa is only used for the "free software graphics stack" which is the collection of X.Org, xf86-video-*, Mesa, and DRI/DRM
[13:37] <richardcavell> well wine uses that, doesn't it?
[13:37] <allquixotic> richardcavell: by contrast, the Nvidia binary drivers do not use Mesa or DRI/DRM at all, nor does ATI's fglrx
[13:38] <richardcavell> I mean, we're talking about games here
[13:38] <allquixotic> wine doesn't use Mesa; wine uses OpenGL
[13:38] <Milos_SD> what version of pulseaudio is in Karmic right now?
[13:38] <richardcavell> how does wine implement OpenGL then?
[13:38] <ikonia> !info pulseaudio
[13:38] <ikonia> guy theory on video card's isn't an ubuntu topic, I suggest you take it to a pm
[13:38] <allquixotic> richardcavell: Mesa is _one_ _possible_ _OpenGL_ _implementation_. It basically boils down to a few shared libraries in /usr/lib, chiefly among them /usr/lib/libGL.so.1
[13:38] <richardcavell> Milos_SD: 0.9.15-4
[13:39] <allquixotic> richardcavell: when wine needs hardware-accelerated DirectX or OpenGL, it calls into that shared library. that shared library is implemented either by Mesa or by Nvidia or by fglrx
[13:39] <allquixotic> richardcavell: for directx it just translates DirectX calls into OpenGL calls, which then call into the native OpenGL implementation
[13:39] <Milos_SD> I hope there will be 0.9.16 in final release :)
[13:39] <richardcavell> allquixotic: so nvidia make their own OpenGL implementation as well?
[13:39] <ikonia> Milos_SD: drop a note to the current package maintainers, give them a prod see how they respond
[13:40] <allquixotic> richardcavell: Yes, Nvidia's entire graphics stack, except for the X Server and related libraries, is completely independent of the free software stack
[13:40] <ikonia> richardcavell: allquixotic this is nothing to do with ubuntu, I suggest you take it to pm or another channel
[13:40] <richardcavell> the Windows idea is that you install a driver that attaches to the opengl.dll
[13:40] <richardcavell> ikonia: we moved here to keep you happy
[13:40] <allquixotic> don't make it a battleground, let's take it to pm
[13:40] <ikonia> richardcavell: this is still an ubuntu channel, and your discussion is nothing to do with #ubuntu
[13:41] <ikonia> richardcavell: this channel is for discussion ubuntu 9.10
[13:41] <richardcavell> allquixotic: okay pm
[13:41] <ikonia> thanks
[13:46] <tgpraveen> hey guys
[13:46] <tgpraveen> 	<tgpraveen>	i have a nokia e51 and banshee latest from unstable ppa
[13:46] <tgpraveen> 	<tgpraveen>	when i connect my nokia e51 i get a pupup on my cell saying which mode i want to connect in i select the pc suite mode
[13:47] <tgpraveen> 	<tgpraveen>	the other mode is mass storage mode btw
[13:47] <tgpraveen> 	<tgpraveen>	but after i do this though network manager offers to establish a connection using the cell which i decline
[13:47] <tgpraveen> 	<tgpraveen>	and i want to add songs using banshee
[13:47] <tgpraveen> 	<tgpraveen>	but the cell doesnt show up in banshee any help?
[13:50] <ikonia> tgpraveen: what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[13:50]  * gnomefreak more concerned about hte pasting
[13:50] <ikonia> that's next ont he list
[13:50] <ikonia> on the
[13:51] <ikonia> tgpraveen: hello ?
[13:51] <BUGabundo> hey guys
[13:51] <ikonia> hello
[13:52] <BUGabundo> hey tgpraveen ikonia gnomefreak
[13:52] <tgpraveen> does it matter
[13:52] <ikonia> tgpraveen: yes it does
[13:52] <tgpraveen> hey BUGabundo
[13:52] <ikonia> tgpraveen: what version are you using ?
[13:52] <gnomefreak> hi BUGabundo
[13:52] <tgpraveen> its jaunty but the banshee is from unstable ppa
[13:52] <tgpraveen> the latest one
[13:52] <BUGabundo> heh
[13:52] <gnomefreak> wrong channel and we dont support PPA's
[13:52] <tgpraveen> and for the pasting i wrote that
[13:52] <ikonia> tgpraveen: ok - so 1.) the ppa's are not supported 2.) this channel is for karmic
[13:52] <tgpraveen> at another channel so copy pasted
[13:52] <ikonia> tgpraveen: the other problem is pasting multiple lines in both channels,
[13:53] <tgpraveen> :-(
[13:53] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: what ikonia means to say, is that +1 is for karmic support and discussion
[13:53] <tgpraveen> ok what would be the best channel for me
[13:53] <ikonia> tgpraveen: flooding any of the ubuntu channels isn't great, try to phrase your question on one short sharp line
[13:53] <ikonia> tgpraveen: #ubuntu is the correct channel, but peoples PPA's are rarley supportable, you may do better asking the PPA owner
[13:53] <tgpraveen> and the reason that i ask here is that problem is not tied to this version specifically it affects the karmic version of banshee in karmic's repos
[13:53] <gnomefreak> tgpraveen: for PPA help on kaunty i would say #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:53] <tgpraveen> then
[13:54] <ikonia> tgpraveen: how do you know it effects karmics repo's ?
[13:54] <gnomefreak> PPA's have no effect on Karmic or any other release
[13:54] <ikonia> exactly
[13:55] <tgpraveen> well problem is more related to this cell phone's handling in banshee and the mtp library
[13:55] <tgpraveen> and this occurs in jaunty using jaunty repo's version
[13:55] <ikonia> tgpraveen: I suggest you a.) log a bug for the jaunty version b.) speak to the PPA maintainer
[13:55] <tgpraveen> and since nothing has changed in those packages should occur in
[13:55] <tgpraveen> karmic as well
[14:20] <BluesKaj> tgpraveen, are you looking for a decent music player or are you determined to use banshee ?
[14:21] <tgpraveen>  BluesKaj i am will ing to change
[14:21] <tgpraveen> but i doubt the problem is of banshee
[14:21] <BUGabundo> exaile FTW
[14:21] <BluesKaj> try vlc
[14:21] <BUGabundo> and very active team
[14:21] <tgpraveen> it is more likely to be a problem with how this phone is handled by the mtp libraries
[14:22] <tgpraveen> hmmm ok will give them botha shot when time permits
[14:22] <tgpraveen> thought isnt vlc more of a video player
[14:22] <BluesKaj> nm. yer looking for phone apps
[14:22] <BluesKaj> vlc does it all
[14:23] <tgpraveen> hmm ok
[14:23] <BluesKaj> dumped amarok for vlc
[14:25] <BUGabundo> I like exaile
[14:25] <penguin42> exaile?
[14:25] <BUGabundo> you guys should give it a try
[14:26] <BUGabundo> their new devel version 0.3 ROCKs
[14:26] <BUGabundo> see #exaile
[14:26] <BluesKaj> right , but isn't that a gnome ap?
[14:26] <BUGabundo> really easy to get too.
[14:26] <BUGabundo> its on LP brach
[14:26] <BUGabundo> so u just pull it via bzr
[14:27] <BluesKaj> I have vlc set up nicely , gonna stick with it
[14:27] <penguin42> Oh I might give that a go, I use Rhythmbox at the moment
[14:27] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: I have almost every player on the repos
[14:27] <BUGabundo> vlc, totem, mplayer (gui and cli), exaile, RB,
[14:28] <BUGabundo> if you guys really want a nice experience, and are willing to try it (you should since you are running karmic) get the bzr version of exaile
[14:28] <BUGabundo> the PPA is a bit old, I think
[14:28] <BluesKaj> yeah , I have a bunch too
[14:28] <BUGabundo> maybe now it was a 2 week old
[14:34] <BUGabundo> bl
[14:48] <BluesKaj> BBL , errands to do
[15:14] <introuble> hey karma people
[15:16] <Zorael^2> What could have happened if I suddenly get "disk full" messages regarding my root partition when I have ~8gb free according to df? Upon reboot, it won't boot unless I pass noswap as a boot option - it sticks at "removing temporary files" or something along those lines
[15:16] <Zorael^2> running Karmic, obviously
[15:18] <introuble> omg
[15:18] <introuble> nautilus crashes!!!
[15:18] <ikonia> Zorael^2: where is your swap partition ?
[15:19] <penguin42> introuble: I had that a couple of weeks ago, it seems to have been OK now for me
[15:19] <introuble> well i sent a problem report
[15:19] <Zorael^2> ikonia: /dev/sda7, I believe
[15:19] <ikonia> Zorael^2: you need to check
[15:20] <introuble> i have built date 7/15/2009
[15:21] <Zorael^2> ikonia: Sorry, confused two machines. It's at /dev/sdb2, fdisk reports
[15:21] <introuble> i have cdrw drive, i put in a blank cd and then the image of the drive disappears from ubuntu file browser
[15:22] <Zorael^2> ikonia: partitionmanager calls it "unknown", but then it calls my ext4 partitions unknown too, so not sure if that's of relevance
[15:22] <introuble> hey can i error check /fix ntfs drives with ubuntu?
[15:23] <Zorael^2> gparted properly detects it as a swap partition
[15:24] <ikonia> Zorael^2: check within linux
[15:25] <ikonia> Zorael^2: don't use 3rd party tools like partition magic
[15:25] <ikonia> introuble: windows file systems should be fixed in windows
[15:25] <ikonia> introuble: the problem is either your CD, or your drive
[15:25] <Zorael^2> ikonia: partitionmanager, it's in the repos
[15:25] <Zorael^2> ikonia: I avoid gparted since it pulls icky gnome deps I otherwise don't need, installed it just now to confirm though
[15:26] <ikonia> Zorael^2: sorry, I thought you said partition magic
[15:26] <ikonia> Zorael^2: look in your fstab
[15:27] <Zorael^2> ikonia: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/241859/
[15:28] <penguin42> hmm curious - all the icons have gone from my bookmarks menu in ff
[15:28] <Zorael^2> ikonia: this happened in the middle of a session (was attempting to update package lists), immediately checked df which said I had those 8gb free on my root partition, and upon rebooting it didn't get past "removing temporary files". Adding noswap makes it boot, at least
[15:29] <introuble> ikonia, i just bought a new pack of empty cd-r's
[15:29] <ikonia> Zorael^2: are you sure it's your root file system is't complaining about ?
[15:30] <ikonia> introuble: that doesn't mean they are valid/compatible/not a problem
[15:30] <introuble> 700mb and the iso to be burned is 589.1mb
[15:30] <ikonia> introuble: but if you take that stance, then the problem is your drive
[15:30] <introuble> hmm
[15:30] <Zorael^2> ikonia: technically no, it was talking about /var/run, if that makes a difference?
[15:30] <introuble> it worked with ubuntu 6.06!
[15:30] <ikonia> introuble: doesn't mean it's not a problem
[15:31] <introuble> i have karmic yes
[15:31] <introuble> a friend in irc burned it to me
[15:31] <ikonia> Zorael^2: interesting,  you don't have /var on a seperate partition so it shouldn't ba a proble
[15:31] <ikonia> problem
[15:31] <ikonia> introuble: doesn't mean the drive is not a problem now
[15:31] <introuble> i thought he was gointo burn 9.04 but he burned latest build
[15:32] <ikonia> Zorael^2: I would first of all boot with no swap, then remake your swap file system with mkswap - then try to "swapon /dev/sdb2" and see if it likes that
[15:32] <introuble> ubuntu sees that there is a cdrw drive, i put a empty cd in the drive disappears
[15:32] <ikonia> Zorael^2: then clear out /var/run
[15:32] <introuble> but it worked with 6.06
[15:32] <ikonia> then reboot
[15:32] <ikonia> introuble: that means nothing
[15:32] <introuble> yeah
[15:32] <ikonia> introuble: things can break, thinks can be incompatible
[15:33] <Zorael^2> ikonia: remade the swap partition and enabled it, dmesg just confirmed with no error messages. Can I clean /var/run in a running session? (or do I need to do it from single mode/live environment)
[15:34] <ikonia> Zorael^2: you can clear it out running, it's normally just files used to contain PID ideas of running applications
[15:34] <ikt> made a thread but got no feedback, is there any work still happening on suspend/resume?
[15:34] <Zorael^2> ikonia: du -h says it's currently taking 320KB, but I'll clean it out for good measure
[15:34] <ikonia> it's in active development yes
[15:35] <ikonia> Zorael^2: I'm wondering more if it's a permissions prorlbme
[15:35] <ikonia> Zorael^2: also look at "df -i"
[15:36] <ikonia> back shortly
[15:36] <penguin42> is anyone else getting 'gmplayer: Skin not found (default). and it not starting ? (mplayer works)
[15:36] <Zorael^2> ikonia: okay, I'll try rebooting without noswap (and without quiet)
[15:38] <introuble> karmic is such a bitch
[15:41] <penguin42> ?
[15:41] <penguin42> It seems good for me
[15:41] <introuble> my cdrw drive worked with 6.06
[15:41] <introuble> but not anymore
[15:42] <penguin42> introuble: Does it work at all?
[15:42] <EagleScreen> my DVB-T worked with jaunty, and not with karmic
[15:42] <EagleScreen> due to a kernel bug
[15:42] <penguin42> Well DVB-T's are a little rarer; but CDRW is something very common
[15:42] <EagleScreen> it is normally, karmic is in Alpha state
[15:43] <EagleScreen> my DVB-T is not rare, it has a native free kernel module
[15:44] <EagleScreen> introuble: what about releases between dapper and karmic?
[15:44] <penguin42> EagleScreen: Oh but I mean it's a lot rarer than CDRW drives
[15:46] <introuble> ubuntu sees the drive but does not see when cd is inserted
[15:47] <EagleScreen> introuble: do you have a /dev/cdrom or /dev/scd0 ?
[15:47] <introuble> i have only used 6.06 and 9.10
[15:47] <introuble> and im quite new to linux anyway
[15:48] <introuble> maybe i should unmount ntfs drives?
[15:48] <EagleScreen> introuble: use paste.ubuntu.com
[15:48] <EagleScreen> and paste the output of the command 'ls -l /dev'
[15:49] <introuble> and btw, im on live cd 9.10
[15:49] <penguin42> if you are on a live CD how is it not seeing the CD?
[15:50] <introuble> eaglescreen, i pasted and used name introuble
[15:50] <EagleScreen> paste here the url
[15:51] <introuble> http://paste.ubuntu.com/241905/
[15:51] <EagleScreen> have you got two CD Drives or are you using Live USB-Stick?
[15:51] <introuble> no there is no parameters on cdrw drive properties
[15:51] <penguin42> ah yeh, you have an sr0 and sr1
[15:51] <introuble> i have 2 cd drives, usb stick and 2 ntfs drives and im on live cd 9.10
[15:52] <penguin42> introuble: If you do a 'df' which one does it show your live cd being in?
[15:52] <EagleScreen> introuble: paste also 'df -h'
[15:54] <introuble> here both http://paste.ubuntu.com/241911/
[15:55] <penguin42> introuble: OK, put a data cd in the other drive and do that df again and also cat /proc/partitions
[15:55] <introuble> live cd is on master, i tried to burn with slave
[15:55] <penguin42> (I mean an already burnt data disk)
[15:55] <introuble> ok i stick ubuntu 6.06 in :)
[15:56] <introuble> some wonderful ppl sent like 5 copies to me some years back :)
[15:58] <introuble> here http://paste.ubuntu.com/241921/
[15:58] <penguin42> introuble: Well, it's found your other CD drive; and can mount it - so it's not a complete turkey on Karmic
[15:58] <introuble> im gonna order again when karma comes out and take the cd's to a local library
[15:59] <introuble> yes i have filesystem on other cd drive
[15:59] <penguin42> introuble: OK, so what happens when you shove a blank in then?
[16:00] <introuble> the icon disappears from file browser
[16:01] <introuble> and is a no show in df
[16:01] <penguin42> ok, that's fine - there's no filesystem there
[16:03] <EagleScreen> can't you burn a CD
[16:04] <introuble> nautilus crashes when i use the built in cd/dvd creator
[16:04] <penguin42> introuble: Ah, nautilus crashing is a whole different kettle of fish!
[16:04] <introuble> brasero does not recognize the blank cd in drive
[16:05] <introuble> i sent an error report on about that crashing
[16:05] <penguin42> introuble: OK, I think from what your saying it's unlikely to actually be kernel/hardware detection - although it's possible that it's having problems when burning
[16:06] <introuble> maybe i try to boot live cd with that other drive that isdisappearing now
[16:06] <introuble> and then use the better drive to burn
[16:07] <introuble> but.. 6.06 didnt boot up with the drive im trying to burn now
[16:07] <introuble> but booted with the other drive
[16:07] <introuble> sorry if confusing
[16:08] <introuble> in 6.06 today earlier i burned an iso which was suppose to be bootable with the drive that is disappearing now
[16:08] <introuble> and the burninc was ok
[16:09] <introuble> but the cd did not boot on neither of the drives
[16:09] <introuble> but then a friend from irc burned karma for me
[16:09] <introuble> i thought he was going to burn 9.04
[16:09] <introuble> but this is good too
[16:10] <introuble> i needed to move from 6.06 to 9.x cos there were no ntfs support in 6.06
[16:10] <EagleScreen> introuble: use 9.04, it is stable
[16:11] <EagleScreen> can't you download 9.04 CD image?
[16:11] <introuble> i downloaded 9.04 image and burned it in 6.06 but the cd did not came as bootable
[16:11] <introuble> so a friend in irc offered to burn and he burned 9.10
[16:11] <EagleScreen> did you check the md5sum?
[16:12] <introuble> no i did not
[16:12] <introuble> but it could also be because of the drive
[16:12] <introuble> i dunno
[16:12] <EagleScreen> chek it to know it it is well downloaded
[16:13] <introuble> anyway i can always install windows and do some burning in there
[16:13] <introuble> yeah i've checked since
[16:14] <introuble> but it's a shame that i could not boot 6.06 with that older burner but it booted fine with that new'er burner
[16:14] <introuble> but im gonna try to boot 9.10 with that older burner now and see if difference
[16:14] <introuble> will be back here
[16:15] <introuble> when does karma come out as stable?
[16:16] <EagleScreen> in October
[16:16] <introuble> ok so there is plenty of time
[16:22] <th1> how can I stop pulseaudio from running? whenever I kill it then something starts it again immediately...
[16:25] <BUGabundo> th1: it autospaws
[16:25] <th1> yes
[16:25] <th1> but how can I stop it from doing that
[16:26] <BUGabundo> and I'm almost sure we already told you how a few weeks ago
[16:26] <th1> no
[16:26] <th1> you told me how to control it with paman ;)
[16:26] <BUGabundo> /etc/pulseaudio.conf
[16:26] <BUGabundo> and check the autospawn option
[16:28] <th1> I don't have /etc/pulseaudio.conf, only /etc/pulse/* and none of them have autospawn
[16:29] <penguin42> th1: IN my /etc/pulse/client.conf is a line that's commented out which says ; autospawn = yes
[16:29] <penguin42> th1: I suggest removing the ; to uncomment it and changing the yes for a no
[16:30] <BUGabundo> right
[16:30] <penguin42> (wtf does ff3.5 in karmic have some odd custom google search set - it's annoying)
[16:30] <th1> penguin42, thanks it works ;)
[16:30] <BUGabundo> penguin42: multisearch addon!
[16:30] <th1> now I can play mame with sound
[16:30] <penguin42> BUGabundo: The what?
[16:30] <BUGabundo> multisearch
[16:31] <BUGabundo> check LP and asac blog for more info
[16:31] <penguin42> th1: Oh you don't need to stop pulse for that - you can suspend it -  pasuspender /bin/cat
[16:31] <BUGabundo> http://www.asoftsite.org/s9y/index.php?url=archives/162-What-is-this-Multisearch-thing-in-my-Firefox-about.html
[16:33] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Thanks - I wouldn't have realised that was what was doing it - disabled; I don't like the way it isn't giving me normal google style results with the tabs for web/image/etc
[16:33] <BUGabundo> penguin42: +1
[16:38]  * penguin42 adds a comment to that saying I don't like it
[16:40] <BUGabundo> ehehehe
[16:45] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I don't mind if things like that do stuff extra, but I want my normal Google with all the normal options etc
[16:45] <BUGabundo> +1
[16:48] <introuble> ok im back at live cd 9.10
[16:49] <introuble> and the live cd did not boot with the older cd drive
[16:49] <introuble> there was some uncompress error
[16:49] <introuble> but booted fine with the newer drive
[16:49]  * billybigrigger wonders why half the lawn is burnt and there is an empty jerry can of gas on the lawn
[16:50] <introuble> and still is, when i put blank cd in the other drive is a no show
[16:50] <billybigrigger> introuble, i think cd burning is broken currently
[16:50] <penguin42> billybigrigger: I guess it's faster than mowing
[16:50] <billybigrigger> someone correct me if i'm wrong
[16:50] <BUGabundo> introuble: kwnon bug
[16:50] <BUGabundo> you can't see blank cds :(
[16:51] <introuble> ah ok..
[16:51] <billybigrigger> penguin42, haha yeah i guess...not really legal here though :P
[16:51] <introuble> i install windows and download 9.04 and burn it to cd
[16:51] <BUGabundo> GRRRRR
[16:51] <BUGabundo> how do I lock my screen now?
[16:51] <BUGabundo> crtl+alt+L doesn't work
[16:52] <BUGabundo> nor pressing the Lock from new FUSA
[16:52] <billybigrigger> new fusa?
[16:52] <penguin42> BUGabundo: ctrl-alt-l just worked here (Gnome)
[16:52] <billybigrigger> when did that roll down the pipe?
[16:53] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Do you have gnome-screensaver running?
[17:06] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: not fusa
[17:06] <BUGabundo> not sure the name
[17:06] <BUGabundo> the thing that replaces fusa
[17:06] <BUGabundo> penguin42: don't know. need to check
[17:06] <BUGabundo> penguin42: yes screensaver is on
[17:06] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I mean is the process running?
[17:07] <BUGabundo> err
[17:07] <BUGabundo> running ou?
[17:07] <BUGabundo> *how?
[17:07] <penguin42> ps -eaf|grep screen
[17:07] <penguin42> I see a gnome-screensaver
[17:09] <BUGabundo> 1000     25785     1  1 17:06 ?        00:00:00 gnome-screensaver-preferences
[17:10] <penguin42> BUGabundo: That's the preferences thing - not the screen saver itself
[17:10] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Just run gnome-screensaver and then see if you can lock it
[17:11] <billybigrigger> ctrl-alt-L works here BUGabundo
[17:13] <BUGabundo> yep that works
[17:13]  * BUGabundo wonders why screensaver  is not running
[17:13] <billybigrigger> oooh
[17:13]  * BUGabundo checks startup apps
[17:13] <BUGabundo> DONE
[17:13] <BUGabundo> was disabled on the startup
[17:16] <bcurtiswx> anyone here know how to install a sound theme?
[17:18] <th1> bcurtiswx, a sound theme for what?
[17:18] <bcurtiswx> thi: its the sound theme that includes the sounds for empathy
[17:18] <bcurtiswx> freedesktop.org
[17:18] <bcurtiswx> th1: ^^
[17:19] <bcurtiswx> th1: its a tar.gz file
[17:20] <BUGabundo> haven't tried it bcurtiswx
[17:21] <bcurtiswx> bug #400485, which in my opinion needs a push to the "higher authorities" because of empathys push to default in karmic
[17:26] <billybigrigger> geez stupid PA
[18:02] <BUGabundo> anyone having trouble with compiz?
[18:02] <BUGabundo> mine died and won't start again
[18:05] <BUGabundo> WARNING : big trace ahead:
[18:05] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/242184/
[18:06] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: can't you generate an apport crash?
[18:07] <BUGabundo> WTF
[18:07] <Twigathy> *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/compiz.real: corrupted double-linked list: 0x00000000031cd7a0 ***
[18:07] <Twigathy> ^ that sounds bad c_c
[18:07] <BUGabundo> I tried to start metacity, and compiz start instead and works
[18:07] <BUGabundo> DOH
[18:07] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: apport did not kick in
[18:07]  * BUGabundo checks var crash
[18:08] <BUGabundo> no crash in there
[18:10] <BUGabundo> where is apport settings?
[18:10] <BUGabundo> need to be sure its enables
[18:10] <BUGabundo> *enabled
[18:10] <BUGabundo> enabled=1
[18:39] <bardyr> Hey, is there anyway i can get the old gnome-volume-control back? the new pulseaudio integration has broken my sound
[18:39] <BUGabundo> no
[18:42] <tgpraveen> so they finally switched to the new pavucontrol
[18:42] <tgpraveen> ?
[18:42] <BUGabundo> bardyr: go back jaunty
[18:42] <tgpraveen> with all the per app volume control and all?
[18:42] <bardyr> tgpraveen, seems so
[18:42] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: No
[18:42] <penguin42> bardyr: If you start up the old volume control and tell it to control the OSS or Alsa mixer does it work?
[18:42] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: then what is bardyr talking abt
[18:43] <bardyr> penguin42, the gnome-volume-manager is changed
[18:43] <BUGabundo> s/is/has/
[18:43] <BUGabundo> penguin42: no longer
[18:43] <tgpraveen> and if no do u knw why? it seems that we are at a stage when if the change is to be  it should be
[18:43] <BUGabundo> now we have the less control EVER
[18:44] <penguin42> sigh
[18:46] <kklimonda> I can't choose between my internal and external mic in the new dialog :/
[18:46] <BUGabundo> me neither
[18:46] <penguin42> that level of choice isn't even showing up in paman
[18:46] <kklimonda> but I like it otherwise
[18:53] <kklimonda> hmm.. any idea how to restore correct button order in GTK+ apps after I've tested (and removed) KDE?
[18:53] <kklimonda> also icons on buttons are missing
[18:53] <penguin42> order?
[18:54] <penguin42> kklimonda: The icons with buttons - go to system->preferences->appearance and select Interface and there's a drop down of 'toolbar button labels:' - try that
[18:54] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: you mean KDE changed the gnome UID?
[18:54] <BUGabundo> HUG
[18:54] <BUGabundo> I mean
[18:54] <kklimonda> penguin42: it's only for toolbar
[18:54] <kklimonda> wait, I'll make a screenshot
[18:54] <BUGabundo> ok
[18:57] <kklimonda> http://img299.imageshack.us/i/weird2.png/ and http://img150.imageshack.us/i/weirdz.png/
[18:58] <kklimonda> I have removed ~/.gtkrc*
[18:59] <kklimonda> as firefox isn't really a GNOME app it's nothing in gconf..
[18:59] <BUGabundo> those look ok
[19:00] <BUGabundo> or are you talking about the change on gnome
[19:00] <BUGabundo> that removed icons?
[19:02] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: by default there are icons on buttons (for example life belt on Help button)
[19:03] <kklimonda> at least there always were
[19:03] <BUGabundo> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/112892/lg.png
[19:03] <BUGabundo> has anyone seen this icon on LGs disk when mounted?
[19:03] <BUGabundo> bottom right
[19:04] <kklimonda> lol, weird :)
[19:04] <kklimonda> it shows up itself?
[19:04] <BUGabundo> when I pluged the disk
[19:04] <BUGabundo> 1st tiem is see it
[19:04] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: today we filed a bug
[19:04] <BUGabundo> about icons that were removed
[19:04] <BUGabundo> let me find it
[19:04] <kklimonda> weird, it's not a notification area
[19:05] <BUGabundo> that's an applet
[19:05] <BUGabundo> Disk Mounter
[19:05] <penguin42> BUGabundo: My disk mounter doesn't do anything as pretty with my USB sticks etc - although one bug I have is that encrypted drive icons on DM are shit - you can't tell when it's mounted
[19:06] <BUGabundo> penguin42: neither do any of my disks
[19:06]  * penguin42 goes to get some food
[19:06] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: don't have an email or scrolllog for it
[19:06] <BUGabundo> have to grep my logs
[19:07] <BUGabundo> ahhh the disk as a ICON.ico
[19:08] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: was it reported against gtk+ ?
[19:08] <BUGabundo> not sure
[19:08] <BUGabundo> don't rememer
[19:09] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/407474
[19:09] <BUGabundo> got to love FF awesome bar
[19:10] <BUGabundo> right  it was filled by mac_v
[19:10] <BUGabundo> is that it kklimonda?
[19:10] <kklimonda> I don't think so
[19:12] <kklimonda> but thanks, it was related
[19:12] <kklimonda> there is /desktop/gnome/interface/buttons_have_icons
[19:13] <kklimonda> I guess that buttor order should be somewhere there too
[19:16] <BUGabundo> I don't understand what u mean by order
[19:16] <BUGabundo> is it GNOME HUG ?
[19:16] <BUGabundo> from the screenshots looked ok
[19:17] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: default is http://img259.imageshack.us/i/70359102.png/
[19:17] <kklimonda> and I have http://img150.imageshack.us/i/weirdz.png/
[19:18] <BUGabundo> oh righ
[19:19] <BUGabundo> like I said: HUG
[19:19] <kklimonda> HUG? not HIG?
[19:19] <kklimonda> no, wait..
[19:19] <kklimonda> yeah, HIG
[19:20] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: but the default is from a new account so something has changed in my settings..
[19:20] <kklimonda> stupid kde :/
[19:21] <BUGabundo> KDE has other buttons order
[19:22] <aboSamoor> how can I attach the report of the ubuntu-bug without creating a new bug report ?
[19:22] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: apport-collect <bug number>
[19:23] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: you can't do it with ubuntu-bug itself as It always create a new report
[19:23]  * BUGabundo toooo slow :(
[19:24] <BUGabundo> well ubuntu - bug is a GUI for apport-cli
[19:24] <aboSamoor> kklimonda, which level of access is recommended, I want to help as much as I can
[19:24] <BUGabundo> I do give it read and write
[19:29] <kklimonda> ok, buttons order in Fx is saved in ~/.mozilla/
[19:29] <kklimonda> damn
[19:30] <aboSamoor> LOL, it seemed i damaged the bug report more than 20 attachment files !
[19:30] <aboSamoor> bug 405364
[19:35] <BUGabundo> poor subscrivers
[19:35] <BUGabundo> if I'm one of them you are dead :p
[19:35] <kklimonda> :D
[19:35] <aboSamoor> I apologized with one extra comment ;)
[19:36] <kklimonda> helpful ubuntu community ;)
[19:36] <aboSamoor> I am also a subscriber ;). God bless gmail
[19:36]  * BUGabundo Kmail user here
[19:37]  * penguin42 uses mutt
[19:37] <aboSamoor> there is no way to delete a comment !
[19:37]  * aboSamoor tried Kmail, evolution, thunderbird and was never satisfied 
[19:38] <kklimonda> yeah, I've tried most of mail apps and always went back to gmail interface..
[19:38] <BUGabundo> I just use gmail for my main account
[19:38] <BUGabundo> everything else goes to kmail
[19:39] <BUGabundo> excecpt a few logs and apt-changes that go into MUTT
[19:40] <aboSamoor> is 150MB for banshee is ok ? if yes, is it reasonable to allocate 150MB to a music player ?!
[19:40] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: it takes ~52mb here
[19:41] <aboSamoor> now banshee is using 165.3 MB !
[19:42] <kklimonda> how many songs do you have?
[19:42] <penguin42> oh yeh what was that music player you were talking about earlier - the one starting with e?
[19:43] <billybigrigger> exaile?
[19:43] <BUGabundo> exaile
[19:43] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, ola
[19:43] <BUGabundo> they won't implemet video!
[19:43] <penguin42> ah right
[19:43] <BUGabundo> I've asked it
[19:43] <aboSamoor> I have 1786 song banshee, only music no videos.
[19:43] <BUGabundo> (07:18:38 PM) SiDi: videos dont have their place in a music player, except for some particular cases (Live DVDs, clips), but it remains videos, that are most efficiently played in a player dedicated to videos
[19:43] <BUGabundo> (07:19:00 PM) SiDi: go test banshee's video mode, see how it lags, see how its not convenient for actual video playing
[19:43] <BUGabundo> (07:19:30 PM) SiDi: What im trying to say, BUGabundo, is that video playing and music playing are different tasks with different contexts, that are best enjoyed with different apps
[19:43] <billybigrigger> do you like banshee?
[19:44] <BUGabundo> never tried it, I thikn
[19:44] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: olá
[19:44] <billybigrigger> i can recommend a different music player that will search your library 10x faster than banshee
[19:44]  * aboSamoor the result for the mess I made with apport collect 3 threads with a total 39 email ! I will be kicked out for sure
[19:44] <BUGabundo> ahahahaahahaha
[19:44]  * penguin42 installs
[19:44] <BUGabundo> not more then if you sent it to bug 1
[19:44] <penguin42> is Exaile mostly python?
[19:45] <BUGabundo> yep
[19:45] <BUGabundo> try trunk from bazaar
[19:45] <penguin42> interesting, I'm learning python at the moment
[19:45] <BUGabundo> its worth
[19:45] <BUGabundo> contribute
[19:45] <BUGabundo> join #exaile
[19:45] <billybigrigger> if you guys are looking for a banshee alternative, try quodlibet, i was blown away by the library search speed
[19:46] <penguin42> in what way is quodlibet different from exaile?
[19:46] <billybigrigger> i don't know, never used exaile
[19:46] <penguin42> other than being unable to spell it
[19:46] <kklimonda> billybigrigger: searching in banshee is instant for me
[19:47] <aboSamoor> I don't like memory extensive apps [The 128MB mentality], but banshee beats others in interface and features.
[19:47] <billybigrigger> 8600+ mp3 library, banshee is only using 56mb here
[19:48] <penguin42> rhytmbox seems to be taking 651m but only 39m resident
[19:48] <kklimonda> banshee scales really well as they have custom widgets for list display that don't load all songs at one time.
[19:48] <billybigrigger> banshee only loads 30 songs at a time if i recall
[19:48] <BUGabundo>  4630 bugabund  20   0  773m 113m  18m S   10  2.9  23:12.62 exaile
[19:48] <billybigrigger> or whatever's in your window, and 10 up and 10 down
[19:48] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: is 113MiBs ok ?
[19:48] <BUGabundo> lol
[19:48] <aboSamoor> I will switch to the first music player which supports non-English tags  [not sure if they are unicode or not, I think they are windows encoding]
[19:49] <billybigrigger>  5904 billybig  20   0  610m  86m  21m S    1  2.2   0:04.38 /usr/bin/quodli :P
[19:49]  * penguin42 waits for his current song to finish
[19:49] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: most of players support non-english tags but only if they are in unicode (utf8 to be exact)
[19:49]  * penguin42 would be surprised if most things didn't use utf8
[19:49] <BUGabundo> 5k songs in the playlist
[19:50] <penguin42> 2.7k on mine
[19:50] <kklimonda> aboSamoor: and only id3v2 for mp3 supports utf-8 officially
[19:51] <BUGabundo> dinner
[19:51] <BUGabundo> bbl
[19:51] <billybigrigger> what did you make me?
[19:51]  * penguin42 wants to find a replacement for rhythmbox - I wrote a patch that to my feel improves the randomness of it, but never persuaded them to take it so I've had my own build sitting around for ages that I have to keep patching up to the latest version
[19:51] <aboSamoor> 20857 eid       20   0  416m 188m  17m S    5  9.4  31:22.61 banshee-1,  it is now 188MB <---- for sure a memory leak
[19:51] <billybigrigger> dinner sounds good right about now
[19:52] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, what version of banshee?
[19:52] <billybigrigger> apt-cache policy banshee
[19:52] <billybigrigger> Installed: 1.5.1+git20090729.r3.157459d-0ubuntu1
[19:52] <billybigrigger> you might want to try the daily PPA for banshee
[19:52] <aboSamoor> banshee Version: 1.4.3-5
[19:53] <penguin42> BUGabundo: OK, so wtf when I just satart Exaile, import my library, select shuffle and hit play doesn't it do anything? I've even switched to playlists and clicked entire library
[19:53]  * penguin42 double clisk entire library again and it gets going 
[19:53] <kklimonda> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/407621 "No need for a poll i guess, since even Ubuntu's team is against this change" - huh, are Ubuntu devs against it? BUGabundo, my brother - find me another link ;}
[19:54] <penguin42> htf is that a wishlist?
[19:54] <aboSamoor> penguin42, most of the arabic usage of technology is microsoft oriented. so no one is aware of utf8 and for arabic linux users this means headache all the time.
[19:56] <penguin42> aboSamoor: Ah I see, I suspect arabic had to solve the problem long enough ago before utf-8 was implemented that they've kept with their previous solution
[19:56] <penguin42> aboSamoor: Japanese has a similar selection of encoding problems (I think they have 2 or 3 different encodings for their 2 or 3 different character sets....)
[19:58] <aboSamoor> penguin42, Japanese people know there is a problem, here none cares. Here, Microsoft means the technology.
[19:59] <antoranz> Hi, guys!
[19:59] <penguin42> aboSamoor: Japanese has had working mechanisms on X for decades, I don't know what the equivalent state for Arabic is
[19:59] <antoranz> How can I force kms to use vesa instead of intel?
[19:59] <aboSamoor> Arabic fonts are really terrible on ubuntu, I wish have the time to contribute, every time I decide to do something I discover how many things I have to do in my work/study. so I am stick with bug reporting
[20:00] <penguin42> antoranz: Not sure, but I'd try unloading i915 or the related and loading the matching vesa module
[20:00] <antoranz> after boot?
[20:00] <antoranz> rmmod i965; modprobe vesa;?
[20:00] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Hmm Elixair isn't exactly quick (version from the repo)
[20:01] <penguin42> antoranz: I'm not sure how this will work after it's already using it
[20:01] <antoranz> that's why I was asking
[20:01] <antoranz> maybe I could say something like kms=vesa (or somethink like that) on grub or st
[20:03] <penguin42> BUGabundo: It's currently resorting it's view based on playcount and has been at it for >2 mins and isn't playing while it's doing it
[20:04] <penguin42> antoranz: I've not actually figred out which bit does kms
[20:04] <aboSamoor> how I am supposed to use add-apt-repository, it gives me error with banshee-team
[20:05] <antoranz> ok... let me try to unload i965/load vesa to see what happens
[20:11] <aboSamoor> no manual for add-apt-repository ! The argument supposed to be ppa:username, but banshee team has more than one ppa, any it is not working !
[20:13] <yofel> aboSamoor: the arument is ppa:username/ppaname
[20:15] <aboSamoor> yofel, thanks :)
[20:15] <yofel> you're welcome
[20:21] <bcurtiswx> anyone here know how i can install a sound theme into ubuntu?
[20:21] <bcurtiswx> its a tar.gz
[20:21] <bcurtiswx> freedesktop.org
[20:23] <billybigrigger> /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu
[20:23] <billybigrigger> ???
[20:23] <billybigrigger> extract the theme to /usr/share/sounds
[20:24] <billybigrigger> ../ubuntu is the dir for the "Ubuntu" sound theme so... /usr/share/sounds/YOURTHEME
[20:24] <billybigrigger> geez i love when people get impatient haha
[20:30] <aboSamoor> LOL, the idea of using the daily build of banshee was not wise, now the new banshee crash before starting with database error !
[20:30] <billybigrigger> what error
[20:30] <cbhl> now that I think about it, it's surprising that there are "install" buttons and the like for appearance themes, but yet not for sound ones... I wonder if there's a reason for that.
[20:31] <aboSamoor> billybigrigger, An unhandled exception was thrown: The database file is locked
[20:31] <aboSamoor> cannot rollback transaction - SQL statements in progress
[20:31] <billybigrigger> did you kill the old banshee process?
[20:31] <billybigrigger> you might have wanted to remove the old banshee aswell
[20:32] <yacc> Ok, I've upgraded today to karmic, seems like I lost X11 :(
[20:33] <yacc> nouveau complains about a GPU lockup.
[20:33] <aboSamoor> billybigrigger, I used the quit action from the drop down menu in the notification area
[20:33] <yacc> nv complains that nvidia kernel module is missing.
[20:33] <yacc> despite the fact that I've installed nvidia-glx-180
[20:33] <billybigrigger> yacc, $ uname -a
[20:34] <yacc> dkms status btw does not show nvidia either.
[20:34] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, $ killall banshee-1
[20:34] <yacc> 2.6.31-4-generic
[20:34] <billybigrigger> yacc, fully updated?
[20:34] <yacc> billybigrigger no copy&paste for me :(
[20:34] <billybigrigger> yacc, ok try $ dkms status
[20:35] <aboSamoor> billybigrigger, no process found
[20:35] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, $ killall banshee
[20:35] <yacc> billybigrigger as far as I can tell, it complained about some dpkg that it could not configure, so I had to run apt-get autoremove on my own :(
[20:35] <billybigrigger> yacc, try $ dkms status
[20:35] <billybigrigger> nvidia, 185.18.14, 2.6.31-4-generic, x86_64: installed
[20:35] <yacc> billy: dkms status shows the wlan driver (bcmwl), and couple of vbox drivers.
[20:35] <aboSamoor> billybigrigger, banshee is not running anymore
[20:35] <billybigrigger> no nvidia driver?
[20:36] <yacc> billy: no nvidia driver.
[20:36] <billybigrigger> yacc, cd /usr/modules/2.6.31-4-generic
[20:36] <billybigrigger> ls -la
[20:36] <yacc> billy: dpkg -l nvidia\* | grep ^i => nvidia-glx-180 is 'ii'
[20:36] <billybigrigger> where does build > point to?
[20:37] <yacc>  /usr/modules?
[20:37] <billybigrigger> yes
[20:37] <yacc> Didn't you mean /etc/modules?
[20:37] <billybigrigger> no
[20:37] <yacc> I've got no /usr/modules
[20:37] <aboSamoor> billybigrigger, what should i do ? should report a bug ?
[20:37] <billybigrigger> err
[20:37] <billybigrigger> /lib/modules/<YOURKERNEL>
[20:37] <billybigrigger> :P
[20:37] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, sure, that might help
[20:37] <yacc> billy: we were both wrong ;)
[20:38] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, i would try to remove banshee, and the daily ppa and install the daily again first
[20:38] <yacc> build => usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.31-4-generic
[20:38] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, does the stable version of banshee run?
[20:38] <billybigrigger> yacc, are you kernel headers installed?
[20:39] <yacc> billy: probably, I was capable of compiling nouveau, so I guess compiling kernel modules works.
[20:39] <aboSamoor> billybigrigger, I was using the stable version, but there was a memory leak so the guys suggested to use the daily build before reporting a bug, so I added the repo and upgraded banshee
[20:39] <billybigrigger> yacc, $ sudo /etc/init.d/dkms_autostart start 2.6.31-4-generic
[20:39] <cbhl> Hmm... I've just installed Karmic alpha 3 and updated it on one of my test boxes; and it freezes in gdm when I try to click "Other" before I can type a username. I have an intel chip. Apart from the batchbuffer dump (via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Troubleshooting/Freeze), any ideas what I should do in the process of filing a bug report?
[20:39] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, does the stable version of banshee run?
[20:40] <yacc> billy: furthermore dkms complains that there is no nvidia 185.18.14, despite that /usr/src/nvidia-185.18.14 does exist.
[20:40] <billybigrigger> now, after you installed the daily
[20:40] <aboSamoor> billybigrigger, the daily version is not working any more, it throws the error and the process hang without any noticeable behavior
[20:41] <yacc> billy: dkms did not install/compile anything nvidia like.
[20:41] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, so they both don't work?
[20:41] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, sudo apt-get purge BOTH versions of banshee and install the daily again
[20:41] <billybigrigger> apt-get remove purge
[20:41] <billybigrigger> ffa i hate being hung over haha
[20:41] <aboSamoor> billybigrigger, I upgraded, can I have two version of banshee ?
[20:42] <billybigrigger> yacc, /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/185.18.14
[20:42] <billybigrigger> ls -la
[20:42] <billybigrigger> source > points where?
[20:42] <yacc> billy: no nvidia directory there.
[20:42] <billybigrigger> that would be why dkms can't build nvidia
[20:42] <billybigrigger> :P
[20:43] <billybigrigger> yacc, what do you all have in /var/lib/dkms
[20:43] <billybigrigger> ?
[20:43] <billybigrigger> just your vbox modules?
[20:43] <yacc> billy: bcmwl, vbox*, vhba, virtualbox-ose-guest
[20:43] <billybigrigger> how are you installing nvidia?
[20:43] <yacc> billy: apt-get install nvidia-glx-180
[20:44] <billybigrigger> and what is the error?
[20:44] <yacc> billy: no error?
[20:44] <billybigrigger> apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-180
[20:44] <billybigrigger> Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu3 ??????
[20:44] <aboSamoor> billybigrigger, I removed with purging and installed again nothing changed. I did not understand you how come I have 2 banshees ?
[20:44] <yacc> billy: to late, I've just purged it, gonna reinstall.
[20:45] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, well you had 1.4 and the 1.5.1 git versions installed
[20:45] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, and they obviously aren't playing nice together
[20:45] <yacc> billy: anyway, installing the deb from scratch did not create /var/lib/dkms/nvidia anyway.
[20:46] <aboSamoor> billybigrigger, I am just using the unstable ppa available on launchpad, so I have only one
[20:46] <yacc> billy: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-180 => 185.18.14-0ubuntu3 Installed
[20:47] <yacc> billybigrigger: something curious?
[20:47] <billybigrigger> dkms add -m nvidia -v 185.18.14 -k 2.6.31-4-generic
[20:47] <billybigrigger> ???
[20:48]  * billybigrigger should not be trying to help today :P
[20:48] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, well then you need to file a bug upstream (not on launchpad)
[20:49] <yacc> billy: reinstalling the nvidia-180-kernel-source seems to do the right thing.
[20:49] <aboSamoor> billybigrigger, yeah, I tried using ubuntu-bug. I have to use gnome/bugZilla :(
[20:49] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, http://banshee-project.org/contribute/file-bugs/
[20:49] <yacc> billy: that still leaves me with the problem that the nvidia driver seems to be not SO stable, ...
[20:49] <billybigrigger> aboSamoor, you need to file that against banshee, NOT on launchpad
[20:50] <billybigrigger> yacc, so did it build in dkms?
[20:59] <aboSamoor> it seems that today is the memory leaks day, nautilus is using 293 MB !
[21:02] <aboSamoor> I think I know how to reproduce the memory leak in nautilus, if you want you can test it ;). The leak happens when nautilus tries to view a thumbnail of a video file that is changing by any app, for example torrent file :)
[21:07] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: use valgrind
[21:07] <BUGabundo> !valgrind
[21:07] <BUGabundo> damn it
[21:07] <BUGabundo> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valgrind
[21:08] <BUGabundo> G_SLICE=always-malloc G_DEBUG=gc-friendly  valgrind -v --tool=memcheck --leak-check=full --num-callers=40 --log-file=/tmp/valgrind%p.log APPNAME
[21:16] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, should I kill the heavy nautilus process ?
[21:16] <BUGabundo> the question is: Can you ?'
[21:16] <BUGabundo> lol
[21:17] <BUGabundo>  3490 bugabund  20   0  663m  71m  18m S    1  1.8   2:49.32 nautilus
[21:18] <penguin42> if you kill nautilus it will just restart
[21:18] <aboSamoor> how can I order the results in "top" according to the memory usage and not the CPU usage ?
[21:18] <penguin42> capital M i think?
[21:18] <penguin42> hit ? and it tells you
[21:18] <yofel> hm... anybody got a dual head setup with separate X servers and different resolutions?
[21:18] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: $ atop
[21:18] <BUGabundo> then hit 'm'
[21:18] <yofel> I can't get compiz to like it :(
[21:18] <BUGabundo> hey yofel
[21:19] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[21:19] <BUGabundo> I did it in the past yofel
[21:19] <BUGabundo> not two Xs
[21:19] <penguin42> or at least I thought it did
[21:19] <BUGabundo> just one big one
[21:19] <BUGabundo> but diff resos
[21:19] <penguin42> capital M does it anyway
[21:19] <BUGabundo> I like atop better
[21:20] <yofel> BUGabundo: it works once I kill compiz.real. With compiz the resoultion of screen1 is borked, but screen0 is fine -.-
[21:20] <BUGabundo> well today I had a funny event
[21:20] <BUGabundo> compiz died, I couldn't start it
[21:20] <BUGabundo> once I tried metacity --replace
[21:20] <aboSamoor>  3316      0      0       1783K 406.4M 318.8M     0K     0K  16% nautilus
[21:20] <BUGabundo> compiz started instead and is still workign fine
[21:20] <yofel> o.O
[21:21] <BUGabundo> 19345 4173e3   3931         82K   1.2G 373.4M   1.2G 373.4M   9% firefox-3.6
[21:21] <BUGabundo> 20076 1239e4    499        844K 986.5M 296.2M 986.5M 296.2M   7% pidgin
[21:21] <BUGabundo>  3517 111237    230        167K 613.4M 267.1M 613.4M 267.1M   7% notify-osd
[21:21] <BUGabundo> 18725 116661     68       2104K 727.5M 154.2M 727.5M 154.2M   4% gwibber
[21:21] <BUGabundo>  3490     67      0       1713K 663.3M 73060K     0K     0K   2% nautilus
[21:21] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: Fx 3.6?
[21:21] <kklimonda> living on the edge as always? :)
[21:21] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: of course
[21:21] <BUGabundo> you know me
[21:25] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, I am not sure what to do, I ran the command you gave to me, but it exists because it can not initialize inotify ?!
[21:27] <BUGabundo> can I say: OOPSS ?
[21:37] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, ok, I believe that my interpretation is correct for nautilus memory leak. [I know that Beliefs has nothing to do with bug reporting]. I think testing the scenario is enough :)
[21:45] <yacc> billybigrigger, still there?
[21:45] <billybigrigger> ya
[21:46] <BUGabundo> we are always here
[21:46] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:46] <yacc> billybigrigger, well, I've got a kernel oops when running xorg / nv-180
[21:47] <yacc> Although it's not in the Xserver, ...
[21:48] <billybigrigger> whats the error?
[21:48] <yacc> I left it to come up, and after some time when I came back to the laptop, I had a blinking Caps-Key and a dead laptop :(
[21:48] <penguin42> that's normally a kernel panic
[21:48]  * aboSamoor always thought that nautilus is the worst part of ubuntu 
[21:49] <yacc> penguin42, still not necessarilly an experience I cherish ;)
[21:49] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: at least now we have tabs
[21:49] <BUGabundo> just took them 4 years to accept the patch
[21:50] <yacc> http://pastebin.com/m307b47c3
[21:50] <yacc> billybigrigger, after that mysqld left a similiar oops, ...
[21:51] <aboSamoor> first time to know about the 4 years story ! I always felt something wrong with nautilus
[21:51] <yacc> Is there a way to make Ubuntu configure X11 via vesa?
[21:56] <penguin42> you should be able to do it by writing an X config file
[21:56] <yacc> Any idea what I do with that kernel oops?
[21:56] <penguin42> yacc: report it if you can capture the oops message
[21:56] <yacc> penguin42, see the pastebin.
[21:56] <penguin42> oh yeh
[21:57] <penguin42> yacc: File a bug on it
[21:57] <nztal> for some reason under ubuntu my screen turns blank (black) and then my desktop reappears.  this has happened with both a ATI and nvidia card.  it lasts probably 1-2 seconds, i'm not sure what frequency
[21:57] <yacc> report-bug?
[21:57] <billybigrigger> yacc, what do you have? intel of nvidia graphics?
[21:57] <penguin42> nztal: I've seen that as well
[21:57] <yacc>  nvidia
[21:57] <nztal> penguin42, ok.  glad it wasn't just me
[21:58] <billybigrigger> yacc, you could also try the new rc5 kernel that was released last night
[21:58] <yacc> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce Go 6150] (rev a2)
[21:58] <penguin42> nztal: Here's my bug report for it, you could confirm that and add your experiences: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/401441
[21:58] <yacc> billybigrigger, how do I do that?
[21:58] <nztal> thank you
[21:58] <billybigrigger> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc5/
[21:59] <billybigrigger> install the headers, source and image from there ^^^^
[21:59] <uffo> 9.10 should INCLUDE small simple option in packagekit to repair install system if it is broken, how i can currently fix this or i just reinstall my alpha2 (it works very stabe and fine but i broke install system myself)
[21:59] <billybigrigger> yacc, or install via git and build it yourself :P downloading the .debs is a little easier though
[21:59] <BUGabundo> penguin42: is that a dupe???
[22:00] <uffo> i hate so fragile install system that is so sensitive
[22:00] <BUGabundo> uffo: recovery mode, choose the repair package option
[22:00] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Well if it is I don't know what it's a dupe of - if you know something to dupe it against feel free
[22:00] <uffo> BUGabundo: where in kpackagekit ??
[22:01] <uffo> BUGabundo: i have desktop running currently
[22:01] <BUGabundo> uffo: what for? you get low(er) level tools, like dpkg and dselect eheh
[22:01] <BUGabundo> uffo: ahh destktop
[22:01] <kklimonda> btw, what's the future of package managment in Ubuntu?
[22:01] <BUGabundo> thought it was broken bewond boot
[22:01] <BUGabundo> uffo: then try aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:02] <BUGabundo> it should *downgrade* any nasty depency prob you are having on kde
[22:02] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: aptomething
[22:02] <BUGabundo> I'm subbed to the blueprint
[22:02] <BUGabundo> karmic +1
[22:02] <kklimonda> appcentral?
[22:02] <kklimonda> appcenter*
[22:02] <kklimonda> ?
[22:02] <uffo> BUGabundo: not working
[22:02] <BUGabundo> maybe
[22:09] <kklimonda> heh, how to add signature to edited page on ubuntu wiki? Something like ~~~~ on wikipedia
[22:09] <uffo> 9.10 should INCLUDE small simple option in packagekit to repair install system if it is broken, how i can currently fix this or i just reinstall my alpha2 (it works very stabe and fine but i broke install system myself), how to do it in simple way...
[22:10] <kklimonda> how is it broken?
[22:10] <uffo> i broke it tryng to force install flash .deb file
[22:10] <penguin42> uffo: Automatically repairing borkne things is very difficult - it's difficult for programmers to imagine all the ways it might be broken
[22:11] <penguin42> uffo: Now, you did read all the nasty warnings about using force didn't you?
[22:11] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: copy from another? LOL
[22:12] <BUGabundo> uffo: ah flash
[22:12] <BUGabundo> that's really bad package
[22:12] <uffo> install system is just little broken but there should be easy recovery option atleast for example when power off will broke system or...
[22:12] <BUGabundo> most of us have it broken
[22:12] <BUGabundo> I carry it since day 2 of this clean install :(
[22:13] <uffo> i tell you all that portable applications is most safer
[22:13] <uffo> to use
[22:13] <kklimonda> uffo: what do you mean by broken? Is it just complaining about missing dependencies or have you overwritten some important files and now you are hunted by ninjas?
[22:14] <uffo> kklimonda: no i know i did not overwrite something because flash do not exist on default release install
[22:15] <BUGabundo> I just placed the new flash 64bits .so on my system
[22:15] <BUGabundo> not even sure it works :)
[22:15] <kklimonda> uffo: then how did you broke it?
[22:16] <uffo>  kklimonda: synaptic nan repair that i know but how i can repair installsystem on kubuntu, i used sudo dpkg --force-depends -i install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[22:16] <penguin42> uffo: So what error exactly do you get if you do something like apt-get install apackage ?
[22:16] <uffo> flash works fine without dependencies too i know
[22:17] <uffo> when i click on some .deb it shows broken dependencies message
[22:18] <BUGabundo> uffo: did you even followed my advice??
[22:18] <BUGabundo> (10:01:58 PM) freenode: uffo: then try aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:18] <BUGabundo> (10:02:16 PM) freenode: it should *downgrade* any nasty dependency prob you are having on kde
[22:19] <uffo> : Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied)
[22:19] <uffo> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?
[22:19] <BUGabundo> ok
[22:19] <penguin42> uffo: Do it as root
[22:19] <BUGabundo> that's workable
[22:19] <BUGabundo> yeah usually it *helps*
[22:19] <uffo> same
[22:20] <uffo> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[22:20] <uffo> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[22:20] <uffo> fcx@fccx:~$
[22:20] <cbhl> hmm
[22:20] <kklimonda> are you sure you are on the right channel? :P
[22:21] <uffo> why not right
[22:21] <penguin42> uffo: Please paste the exact line you typed to get that error
[22:21] <BUGabundo> uffo: $ ps auxw | grep apt
[22:21] <uffo> sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:21] <cbhl> uffo: check if you have anything else running... dpkg, dselect, aptitude, apt-get, adept, synaptic...
[22:21] <BUGabundo> maybe you could have just lost a lock
[22:21] <BUGabundo> don't you have synaptic open?
[22:22] <kklimonda> uffo: frankly if you don't know what this error mean nor you know that there is a flash package in ubuntu repository I'm not sure if karmic is for you yet. but that's my, biased opinion :)
[22:22] <penguin42> oh hang on, that second one is different - yes that is something else running
[22:23] <cbhl> penguin42: I was listing packages that I am aware of which have anything to do with debian/ubuntu package management, all of which might lock the dpkg lock... :P
[22:24] <uffo> kklimonda: alpha2 works very well, currently i just copied libflashplayer.so to firefox plugins folder and it works atleast without that damn* aptitute thing
[22:25] <uffo> i hate that install system years i have used ubuntu and i prefer portable software
[22:25] <billybigrigger> has anyone here been working with raid arrays for awhile?
[22:25] <uffo> looks like i must reinstall whole system if it is so cursed that install system
[22:25] <penguin42> billybigrigger: I have done in the past, haven't got one on a kubuntu though - what's your problem?
[22:26] <billybigrigger> i just changed my 500GB raid1 array (EXT3) and backed up the data, released the array and created a new array raid0 with ext4
[22:26] <billybigrigger> just wondering how smart of a move that was
[22:26] <billybigrigger> :P
[22:26] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: *after* you do it ? right lol
[22:26] <billybigrigger> :) haha
[22:26] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Well as long as you don't care for the safety but want speed it's good
[22:26] <kklimonda> uffo: oh please, just shut down an app that is locking db and remove package you have installed
[22:27] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Remember with RAID 0 it's actually unreliability^2 likely to fail compared with a single disk
[22:27] <billybigrigger> yes
[22:27] <billybigrigger> understand that
[22:27] <penguin42> billybigrigger: As long as you know that then it should fly
[22:28] <uffo> kklimonda: oh now i found that apt-get thing was on process so i just killed it, tryng
[22:28] <billybigrigger> ext4 -> ext4 is a very noticable speed increase over ext3 -> ext4 :P
[22:28] <penguin42> ?
[22:29]  * penguin42 won't rebuild fs as ext4 unless I have to for at least a year
[22:30] <uffo> kklimonda: sudo aptitude safe-upgrade: this shows only information but how to repair it without packagekit
[22:32] <kklimonda> uffo: paste it somewhere
[22:32] <uffo> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[22:32] <uffo>   adobe-flashplugin: Depends: libnss3-dev which is a virtual package.
[22:32] <uffo>                      Depends: libcurl3 which is a virtual package.
[22:33] <kklimonda> just remove adobe-flashplugin
[22:33] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:33] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I wish I could!
[22:34] <uffo> i cannot, packakekit is not working, how to force it to work?
[22:34] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: it won't come out
[22:34] <kklimonda> uffo: sudo apt-get remove adobe-flashplugin
[22:34] <kklimonda> you don't need packagekit to remove it
[22:35] <kklimonda> if it doesn't work then dpkg --remove adobe-flashplugin
[22:37] <uffo> http://pastebin.com/d422a361b
[22:37] <uffo> failure
[22:38] <BUGabundo> you can't
[22:38] <BUGabundo> I been saying that for 30 mins
[22:38] <BUGabundo> been trying it for 3 weeks :)
[22:39] <kklimonda> uffo: go to /var/lib/dpkg/info
[22:39] <kklimonda> and edit file adobe-flashplugin.prerm or postrm
[22:40] <BUGabundo> hehe
[22:40] <kklimonda> and remove the right lines
[22:40] <BUGabundo> I don't have those kklimonda !
[22:40] <yacc> So to summarize the next thing that I should do is installing a mainline kernel?
[22:41] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: maybe your package is flashplugin-nonfree or something like that/
[22:41] <BUGabundo> right
[22:41] <BUGabundo> yacc: don't use mainline on karmic
[22:42] <BUGabundo> those kernels are for jaunty
[22:42] <uffo> kklimonda: maybe best thing is to delete
[22:42] <yacc> BUGabundo, well the ppa that somebody gave sounded like mainline?
[22:42] <uffo> kklimonda: these files from there
[22:42] <yacc> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.31-rc5/
[22:42] <BUGabundo> yacc: right
[22:43] <BUGabundo> yacc: they are not for karmic
[22:43] <yacc> BUGabundo, use or not?
[22:43] <BUGabundo> NO
[22:43] <yacc> BUGabundo, which one should I use then?
[22:43] <kklimonda> uffo: maybe, better move them (only the ones from adobe-flashplugin) somewhere safe
[22:43] <BUGabundo> karmic repos ones ?!
[22:44] <yacc> BUGabundo, I've got Linux andi-lap 2.6.31-4-generic #23-Ubuntu SMP Mon Jul 27 18:39:51 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[22:44] <BUGabundo> yacc: same as most of us
[22:44] <BUGabundo> I just have to run -3
[22:44] <BUGabundo> cause -4 crashes on USB connecting
[22:46] <yacc> BUGabundo, USB is bad, OTOH mine crashes when X starts :)
[22:47] <yacc> How does one start the bug reporting from the cmdline?
[22:47] <kklimonda> ubuntu-bug
[22:47] <kklimonda> but it may not work without a browser ;)
[22:48] <yacc> kklimonda, well ssh X11 forwarding ;)
[22:48] <uffo> kklimonda: what now i should do
[22:48] <yacc> I'm currently on our "replacement" toy netbook,
[22:49] <uffo> there should be option to restore or recover option for that somewhere in final 9.10 to ease recovery not soooo hard way
[22:49] <kklimonda> uffo: try to remove package again
[22:50] <kklimonda> uffo: this particular error is because you have forced package from god knows where :P
[22:50] <uffo> kklimonda: it worked worked
[22:50] <uffo> kklimonda: that i tell this should be automated
[22:51] <kklimonda> uffo: the only case that matters is a power failure during install/upgrade
[22:52] <uffo> kklimonda: or installing some big software
[22:52] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: how would have guessed that for once you could provide useful advice :D thanks it fixed my prob! [[]]
[22:52] <kklimonda> uffo: nah, it wouldn't break a package system
[22:52] <kklimonda> uffo: in the worst case you would have to reinstall package
[22:52] <BUGabundo> dpkg: warning: files list file for package `flashplugin-installer' missing, assuming package has no files currently installed.
[22:52] <yacc>  #342785 Xorg dies due to nvidia (non-free) kernel oops after being left idle for some time
[22:52] <yacc> Guess this is my bug ;(
[22:52] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you have deleted too much files ;)
[22:52] <BUGabundo> uffo: you can try debsums to check what is broken !
[22:52] <kklimonda> bug 342785
[22:53] <BUGabundo> what??
[22:53] <BUGabundo> how long is a while?
[22:53] <BUGabundo> mine hasn't broken yet
[22:54] <uffo> kklimonda: but why force install brokes it if there in nothing to replace because there is not old this type package, i know and i never overwrite system packages. Flash wants dependencies but it works whitout them too, strange?
[22:54] <kklimonda> uffo: force is there for emergency use only
[22:55] <kklimonda> uffo: in this particular case you have force installed a package that depends on packages that aren't in our repositories
[22:56] <uffo> kklimonda: i have always found that just extracting libflashplayer.so to firefox folder. Firefox developers are done firefox binary right to provide it as portable pack.
[22:56] <BUGabundo> kde depency breakaged teached me to NEVER force, just wait, and use aptitude safeupagrade to fix *everything*
[22:56] <kklimonda> uffo: there is actually a package that provides adobe flash in ubuntu repository
[22:56] <kklimonda> uffo: so I see no reason to install some 3rd party package unless you are using 64bit ubuntu and want 64bit flash
[22:57] <uffo> but it installs those useless packages like libnss and libnsr4 etc...
[22:57] <cbhl> IIRC, the distributed flash does have dependencies too; even if you can "just extract it to the firefox folder" and have it work -- the main difference is that ubuntu properly recognizes those dependencies
[22:57] <cbhl> libnss and libnsr4 are used for certain flash features; I believe it's mentioned on the linux flash blog somewhere
[22:58] <kklimonda> uffo: why do you think they are useless if package depends on them?
[22:58] <uffo> cbhl: i collect them in .deb format and install. ubuntu repos do not provide always up to date soft like vlc 1.0.1 etc...
[22:59] <uffo> i like manual install (offline)
[22:59] <kklimonda> what's the point of using ubuntu then?
[22:59] <kklimonda> uffo: you should consider using debian testing + unstable if you want always the newest software
[22:59] <cbhl> uffo: well, the repos mostly freeze after the sync deadline; so that you can have stable (if somewhat dated) software that generally works... but it sounds like you'd rather have something like debian unstable or even gentoo
[23:00] <BUGabundo> uffo: not *always* up to date, but tested !!!!!!!
[23:00] <uffo> cbhl: but i need softwarea lot that is not in ubuntu repo
[23:01] <uffo> cbhl: that type software*
[23:01] <BUGabundo> uffo: then either pack it yourself (and don't expet support)
[23:01] <BUGabundo> or go with other rolling distro
[23:01] <uffo> BUGabundo: is it possible to repack multiple .deb files in one?
[23:01] <BUGabundo> ?
[23:02] <uffo> BUGabundo: to use one big deb to install all needed files with software together
[23:02] <kklimonda> uffo: possible? yes. meaningful? not really
[23:02] <BUGabundo> uffo: that's called meta-packages
[23:02] <kklimonda> uffo: you could create a deb package that depends on all packages you need
[23:03] <uffo> BUGabundo: is there some gui tool for this like windows has lot of installer creators??
[23:03] <kklimonda> uffo: nope
[23:03] <BUGabundo> not that I know of
[23:03] <BUGabundo> ask on #ubuntu-motu
[23:07] <cbhl> I dunno; generally if I wanted to install a bunch of stuff at once; then I just preseed a custom alternate-install CD... what I find amusing is that Ubuntu is generally considered one of the more "up-to-date" distros. (I remember one distro I tried had three-year-old packages in its "stable" repository...)
[23:09] <uffo>  kklimonda: then portable is way to go to me like i have Firefox, Truecrypt, Kdenlive, filezilla and some more.... this is the best way to use software and much easyer to uptate
[23:10] <kklimonda> uffo: not really - I just click a button now and then when something is waiting for updates.
[23:10] <kklimonda> uffo: if you want to have the newest versions of software than you should consider a distribution that does rolling updates
[23:12] <uffo> kklimonda: and if system library is older and i do not want to update system and only software= error but hdd-s is cheap so i wont worry about dependency hell and i always can use new software just copyng a new release folder (deleting old before)
[23:13] <uffo> kklimonda: windows has vlc with all libraries included
[23:13] <kklimonda> uffo: why wouldn't you want to upgrade library?
[23:13] <BUGabundo> uffo: this is getting offtopic and anoying
[23:14] <BUGabundo> please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:14] <BUGabundo> thank you
[23:15] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: You sure you are the guy who should talk about that? ;}
[23:15] <kklimonda> but I agree
[23:16]  * BUGabundo preps a wet trout
[23:17] <uffo> kklimonda: ubuntu made quite big data price to my friend because of 74mb update over cell phone internet thats why is update not needed always or when system works just fine then why updates???
[23:18] <uffo> BUGabundo: i am going i said what is needed to simplify things on ubuntu thats it
[23:18] <uffo> BUGabundo: no i rest in peace
[23:19] <BUGabundo> uffo: we are working (yet again) on delta updates to minimize those cases
[23:20] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, how can I know more about the progress of delta updates ?
[23:20] <BUGabundo> tracking the blueprint
[23:20] <BUGabundo> or asking the dev in charge
[23:20] <BUGabundo> last I hear it was again a bit untouched
[23:21] <BUGabundo> but some what in better state then last two cycles
[23:21] <uffo> BUGabundo: i cannot update ubuntu on my famili house too because there is no internet and i carry software for ubuntu on usb stick so portable is best, extract and launch
[23:21] <BUGabundo> uffo: apt-oncd and apt-zip
[23:22] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, it seems also a popular idea in brainstorm
[23:22] <BUGabundo> I know
[23:23] <penguin42> he's gone
[23:24] <aboSamoor> I am trying to catch dtchen, any idea who is also responsible for alsa in ubuntu ?
[23:24] <cbhl> If I'm having an issue with X in karmic, any idea whether there is anything else I can try apart from filing a bug report?
[23:25] <penguin42> cbhl: What's it doing to you?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: dtchen and themuse
[23:26] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: dtchen was online today. he has been busy with work traveling
[23:26] <cbhl> Freezing when I try to log in...
[23:26] <cbhl> No keyboard response except alt-sysrq; mouse cursor moves but clicking does not work.
[23:26] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, I see I just wanted to ask him if there is any progress regarding my very old bug since 2.6.24
[23:27] <cbhl> penguin42: Freezing when I try to log in...
[23:27] <cbhl> penguin42: No keyboard response except alt-sysrq; mouse cursor moves but clicking does not work.
[23:27] <BUGabundo> (05:17:19 PM) dtchen: BUGabundo: I'm traveling quite frequently for work until october
[23:27] <penguin42> cbhl: Hmm that's annoying - well, file a bug and include the /var/log/Xorg.0.log (if it's still running or the older one if you've reset it) and any dmesg; what graphics chip?
[23:27] <BUGabundo> (05:17:57 PM) dtchen: i try to respond to bug e-mail and requests every couple days
[23:27] <cbhl> penguin42: bug 407793
[23:28] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: ask on #ubuntu-audiohelp and hang around there!
[23:28] <cbhl> penguin42: found some debugging instructions in the wiki; they suggested to put Xorg.0.log in a tgz with a lot of other intel-specific debugging info; which is attached
[23:28] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: #ubuntu-audio-help
[23:28] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, nice hint :), but it is empty now :)
[23:28] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: #ubuntu-audio-help
[23:28] <BUGabundo> typo
[23:29] <cbhl> penguin42: but they seem to be geared towards jaunty -- it points to a PPA with jaunty packages (and I found newer versions of the debugging tools and the kernel in karmic alpha 3 repositories than what they said was "required")
[23:30] <penguin42> cbhl: I'm afraid I don't really know how to help - as a work around I'd suggest seeing if you can configure anything out of it with a custom xorg.conf if you have no other way of getting X to start
[23:30] <aboSamoor> it will be nice if you get a message of the ubuntu related IRC channels once you enter #ubuntu
[23:31] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: like /list #ubuntu* LOLOLOL
[23:32] <cbhl> penguin42: Well, I was using vesa in jaunty... but as far as I can tell, karmic doesn't come with a xorg.conf at all... if I copied one over from another (identical) machine's jaunty install, do you think the karmic Xorg will read it and use the settings inside?
[23:32] <penguin42> cbhl: It does use an xorg.conf if you provide it - I use one
[23:33] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, another nice hint :), the command is working but not the regex "*".
[23:34] <penguin42> cbhl: One thing to watch out for is the output names have changed, so if you used VGA to specify the output it's now VGA1
[23:35] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: it was a joke. AFAIK irc /list doesn't do regexp
[23:36] <penguin42> cbhl: Actually, looking at your screenshot - I see something similar, but I haven't tried logging in as other... - when I select my username the box shortens a little and it doesn't seem to referesh the bit above/below
[23:37] <cbhl> Yeah, I have that too when logging in by clicking my name, but that's really unpredictable -- it may crash right away, or it may last two minutes.
[23:37] <cbhl> penguin42: Yeah, I have that too when logging in by clicking my name, but that's really unpredictable -- it may crash right away, or it may last two minutes. (Gah, forget to type your name in front... oops.)
[23:38] <cbhl> penguin42: But I find clicking "Other" is /much/ more consistent in reproducing the freeze.
[23:38] <penguin42> I've not had a freeze there; however, what I have had is my external keyboard not working at that point - the internal laptop one works but not the external
[23:38] <cbhl> penguin42: I miss my DRI and Xv... haven't had them since Jaunty came out in April, but couldn't downgrade because the family wanted the fixes in Kubuntu/KDE in Jaunty.
[23:38] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, so my idea still holds, this will help users to get help easier. Now, in #ubuntu you have 1311 user !
[23:39] <penguin42> cbhl: It's a bit odd, I think Xv is working for me on i945
[23:39] <cbhl> penguin42: Well, I've got a desktop machine with the i865g; so... there only is one keyboard and it's external. But I think it's PS/2... is your external keyboard PS/2 or USB?
[23:39] <rww> alis does regex. /msg alis help
[23:39] <penguin42> cbhl: PS/2 through a PS2->USB converter :-)
[23:40] <cbhl> penguin42: Well, I find that the i9xx chips seem to work better (not perfectly, but at least better) than the i8xx ones; at least when I tried a friend's laptop with Jaunty. (I've only tried Karmic on that one machine, and I doubt I'll be allowed to play with it on the others.)
[23:41] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: I rather have 2k users on #ubuntu shouting then have 500 of them *here*
[23:42]  * BUGabundo still remembers how many bunnies died on jaunty release party :\
[23:42] <penguin42> were they jackrabbits?
[23:42]  * cbhl decides he'll just try Xorg -configure instead; and then tweaking that for a while, rather than copying a jaunty config
[23:43] <penguin42> cbhl: I'm wondering if the issue is purely keyboard - if you have a spare USB keyboard it might be worth trying to plug it in at that point
[23:44] <cbhl> aboSamoor: But you wouldn't want to get a message /every/ time you enter #ubuntu -- after about the first ten times I suspect you likely have your client of choice configured to auto-join you to channels you find interesting... and I believe there's a URL to the wiki in the subject line of #ubuntu?
[23:44] <cbhl> penguin42: Hmm. I'll try that, but I have my doubts...
[23:45] <penguin42> cbhl: Yeh sure, it's just in a way it sounds not entirely unlike what I see on my external keyboard
[23:46] <cbhl> penguin42: Should I plug in said USB keyboard before or after the crash?
[23:46] <cbhl> penguin42: Or should I try both? :P
[23:46] <penguin42> cbhl: I'd say try both
[23:47] <aboSamoor> cbhl, yeah, it is already there.
[23:49] <cbhl> aboSamoor: I'm going to assume you realized the part of the sentence I missed, which is "... to the wiki which contains a list of IRC channels"... I've been dropping parts of my sentences all day today. >.<
[23:49] <cbhl> penguin42: Hm. Okay, well plugging it in after the freeze does nothing... let's try having it plugged in on startup and seeing if the USB keyboard still works post-freeze.
[23:51] <cbhl> penguin42: Nope, the USB keyboard doesn't respond either. Oh well.
[23:51] <penguin42> oh well, worth a shot
[23:51] <cbhl> yup.