[08:32] <thorwil> kwwii: morning! just got notice that my membership in the ubuntu-art LP team will expire in 7 days
[09:25] <FLOZz> hi _o/
[11:04] <kwwii> thorwil: fixed ;)
[11:04] <thorwil> kwwii: thanks!
[11:05] <kwwii> it's the least I could do :)
[11:05] <thorwil> it's odd that anyone can join, bu then you get this
[11:05] <SiDi> hi kwwii thorwil
[11:05] <kwwii> well, I could turn it off but then I would have a lot of people asking me to remove them
[11:06] <thorwil> hi SiDi
[11:06] <kwwii> and a lot of people would stay subscribed although they are not interested
[11:06] <thorwil> ic
[11:14] <mac_v> kwwii: Bug #407621 , gnome has decided to remove icons!
[11:27] <SiDi> mac_v: one more reason to download Xubuntu asap
[11:27] <mac_v> \o/ xubuntu here i come
[11:39] <kwwii> :p
[11:39] <kwwii> I do not like icons in menus anyway
[11:47] <thorwil> icons in menus should be animated to become really useful. and each menu should have its own clippy-like avatar!
[11:48] <kwwii> yes!
[11:49] <SiDi> meh
[11:49] <kwwii> strobing flashing techno animations
[11:49] <SiDi> icons make it much faster to recognise a button T_T
[11:49] <thorwil> also jingles per item
[11:49] <mac_v> SiDi: kwwii: i found a workaround for the icon display
[11:49] <mac_v> \o/
[11:49] <mac_v> bye bye xubuntu ;p
[11:49] <SiDi> sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop ?
[11:49] <thorwil> SiDi: seriously, i don't think that's always true
[11:49] <kwwii> I always wanted to responsible for someone having a seizure from my artwork ;)
[11:50] <thorwil> kwwii: not enough pokemon
[11:50] <kwwii> my guess is that you can still turn them back on vie gconf
[11:52] <mac_v> kwwii: i can , i just did , and i now have icons
[11:53] <mac_v> boo to gnome ... ;p
[11:54] <kwwii> yippee
[11:55] <kwwii> :p
[12:18] <SiDi> i maintain that typing the above command is faster
[17:06] <mac_v> kwwii: ping... :) did you receive my mail? just checking least you'd forget who sent it ;p
[17:16] <SiDi> pinging is forbidden on saturdays !
[17:16] <knome> SiDi, no, it's not :P
[17:30] <mac_v> SiDi: ping ;p
[18:43] <kwwii> mac_v: yes, I got it, thanks!
[18:44] <mac_v> kwwii: :)
[20:19] <dbm> sup normal people
[20:19] <dbm> :D
[20:20] <thorwil> nobody told me there would be normal people around!
[20:22] <SiDi> hi anormal dbm !
[20:27] <dbm> :D
[20:27] <dbm> So this is the leet artwork team?:d
[20:29] <knome> yep.
[20:50] <thorwil> groupies should be different
[20:56] <knome> groupies? ;)
[20:56] <knome> you have any?
[20:56]  * knome looks around
[20:58] <knome> thorwil, so do you live/work in london?
[20:59] <thorwil> knome: nope. germany/moenchengladbach
[21:00] <knome> ah-ha.
[21:00] <knome> why come i thought you worked at london?
[21:01] <thorwil> knome: maybe because it was mentioned on this channel that it was a problem that i'm not in london and you simply forgot the "not"? ;)
[21:01] <knome> don't know.
[21:01] <knome> do you even happen to know places in london? :P
[21:02] <SiDi> i thought you were from nederlands thorwil :D
[21:02] <knome> me too, actually.
[21:03] <thorwil> knome: depemds on how you define "know". piccadilly square, baker street ...
[21:04] <knome> eh. :P i define it as deeper knowing than that.
[21:04] <knome> i've visited london once myself, but we're heading there in a week.
[21:04] <thorwil> SiDi: geographically that's helemaal near
[21:04] <knome> "helemaal" ?!
[21:06] <thorwil> dutch for completely/thorough ...
[21:06] <kwwii> I am in london every other week, if anyone needs anything :p
[21:06] <knome> okay.
[21:06] <knome> kwwii, o/ me
[21:06] <kwwii> and since we are all in germany, we should meet up :p
[21:06] <thorwil> kwwii: the crown jewel, please
[21:06] <thorwil> jewels, even
[21:06] <kwwii> although I am not sure if I am allowed to hang out with prussians
[21:07] <thorwil> lol
[21:07] <knome> kwwii, tell me some inside tips. places outside the usual tourist places worth visiting?
[21:07] <knome> kwwii, a proper sushi place?
[21:07] <SiDi> knome: my flat is a nice place to visit but its damn far from london :O
[21:07] <kwwii> hrm, to be honest, there is lots of sushi but most of it was pretty crappy
[21:07] <thorwil> sushi? should be fish and chips wrapped in the Times!
[21:08] <kwwii> knome: just seeing all the big sites will take a while and if you take the tube and bus around you will see quite a bit
[21:08] <knome> SiDi, haha, we actually thought we might visit paris, but that turned out to be a bit... too expensive
[21:08] <kwwii> just a couple of streets from victoria station are some really great eastern restaurants
[21:08] <knome> kwwii, we're not going to see a lot of the big sites
[21:09] <knome> kwwii, maybe one day of that or sth.
[21:09] <kwwii> chinatown is close to picadilly circus, go there as well
[21:09] <knome> kwwii, yeah, we're going there :)
[21:09] <kwwii> I guess my "sites" in london, in the meantime, are the good restaurants I eat at while there
[21:09] <knome> kwwii, any recommendations are welcome
[21:10] <kwwii> honestly good restaurants can be hard to find if you are not carefull
[21:10] <knome> yeah, i know that
[21:10] <kwwii> my favorite curry is about 100m from vauxhall station
[21:10] <kwwii> "the coriander"
[21:10] <knome> okay
[21:10] <kwwii> that is the canonical default restaurant when people visit london
[21:11] <knome> o.O
[21:11] <kwwii> I have had the same dish two nights in a row because it is so good
[21:11] <kwwii> when will you be in London?
[21:11] <knome> what is that?
[21:11] <kwwii> chicken tikka marsala or so
[21:11] <knome> 6th - 12th
[21:12] <kwwii> after a while I just started to pick randomly and I like pretty much everything they have
[21:12] <kwwii> just be sure not to order the really hot stuff unless you mean it ;)
[21:12] <knome> what were those good eastern restaurants near victoria? i personally don't like chinese, but everything else is fine
[21:12] <kwwii> I'll be in Dublin next week, otherwise I would have offered to get dinner or such
[21:13] <kwwii> there is a street just around the corner and the whole street is restaurants
[21:13] <kwwii> let me find it on google maps
[21:13] <kwwii> I only know it from walking from the office
[21:13] <knome> kwwii, too bad. maybe some other time. and be sure to tell me if you are coming to finland ;)
[21:13] <knome> okay
[21:13] <knome> i usually order the most hot dish in restaurants anyway so..
[21:14] <thorwil> good night!
[21:14] <knome> that was quick :P
[21:14] <kwwii> it is between Victoria and Eaton Square, one of the north-south streets...not sure which one, sorry
[21:15] <knome> no problem
[21:15] <knome> i bet we find it anyway :)
[21:15] <kwwii> well, southwest-norhteast streets
[21:15] <kwwii> it is the only street in the area which is all restaurants
[21:15] <knome> yeah :P
[21:15] <knome> i can imagine
[21:16] <knome> the coriander looks quite stylish. is there any dresscode? :P
[21:16] <knome> or is the website doing tricks on me
[21:16] <kwwii> no, but they get full quick so you might want to call ahead
[21:16] <knome> ah
[21:17] <kwwii> well, it is nice looking inside but only like 10 tables
[21:17] <kwwii> quite small
[21:17] <knome> right
[21:17] <kwwii> and they make a nice frsh mago lassie
[21:17] <knome> that sounds like a perfectly average finnish restaurant...
[21:18] <kwwii> lol
[21:18] <knome> no, really!
[21:18] <kwwii> the british national war museum is interesting if you are into spy stuff and the like
[21:18] <knome> not really. and neither of us is into museums :P
[21:19] <kwwii> and the tate gallery, other than being directly next to the canonical office is also nice
[21:19] <knome> hehe
[21:19] <SiDi> can we visit canonical ? :p
[21:19] <knome> kwwii, can you give me a dummy postcode so i can browse the menu online :P
[21:20] <kwwii> well, we are on the 23rd floor of the millbank tower, if you make it past security without a badge, good luck!
[21:20] <knome> kwwii, that definitely sounds like an adventure!
[21:20] <SiDi> i'll hack the cyborgs keeping the entrance, kwwii
[21:20]  * knome adds an item to his london todo-list
[21:21] <kwwii> the start-trek like sliding door entrance to the office has a hand-print scanner ;)
[21:21] <kwwii> star trek, naturally
[21:22] <SiDi> wtf
[21:22] <kwwii> not even all the employees have their hands scanned, only those who work in the office every day
[21:22] <SiDi> ubuntu's deployed in the MI5's office, and you guys actually make sure everything goes fine, or what ? :P
[21:22] <kwwii> actually, it is using some wierd light or something to read the structure of your bones apparently
[21:23] <kwwii> magnetic, maybe
[21:23] <kwwii> we are just across the street from MI5
[21:23] <knome> kwwii, have you seen the mythbusters episode where they "breal" the fingertip scanners? P
[21:23] <kwwii> and across the river from MI6
[21:23] <knome> :P
[21:23] <kwwii> hehe, this is whole hand thing
[21:23] <kwwii> and it is a bitch to put your hand on the scanner exactly right
[21:23] <knome> o.O
[21:23] <kwwii> it tells you which fingers to move which way, etc
[21:23] <knome> lol
[21:24] <knome> kwwii, ok, a question. do you have to order rice separately in the coriander? :P
[21:24] <kwwii> yes, you do
[21:24] <knome> okay
[21:24] <knome> that's weird
[21:24] <kwwii> and pampardams (or however you spell it)
[21:24] <SiDi> knome: is it that you're very shy, or you intend to bring your own rice ? T_T
[21:24] <knome> SiDi, i intend to bring my own rice, of course
[21:25] <kwwii> well, there are different kinds of rice
[21:25] <kwwii> so you can choose
[21:25] <knome> SiDi, actually, i'll just substitute rice with rum
[21:25] <kwwii> plain rice
[21:25] <kwwii> or the stuff with the pistachios and such (not sure of the name)
[21:25] <knome> yeah i see, i'm browsing the online menu
[21:25] <kwwii> the portions are large
[21:25] <knome> so am i
[21:25] <knome> ;)
[21:25] <kwwii> I can barely finish one and I am a big guy
[21:25] <knome> okay
[21:26] <knome> so we shouldn't order four rice portions with my smallish wife?
[21:26] <knome> ;)
[21:26] <kwwii> hehe, exactly
[21:26] <knome> okay
[21:26] <kwwii> get two completely different things and eat them together
[21:26] <kwwii> with one rice
[21:26] <knome> yeah
[21:26] <kwwii> you can order more ;)
[21:26] <knome> one rice?
[21:26] <knome> meh
[21:26] <knome> ;P
[21:26] <kwwii> get pamapardams with the sauces first ;)
[21:27] <kwwii> or chutneys I guess
[21:27] <knome> i suppose that's reasonable
[21:27] <knome> you mean a bread or a side dish?
[21:27] <kwwii> as a kind of appetizer or with the meal itself
[21:28] <knome> i remember at the uds jaunty, we went to a indian fast food place
[21:28] <knome> i ordered some chicken plus a naan bread
[21:28] <kwwii> I always get it before, or when I just eat a vegetarian dish with no rice
[21:28] <knome> boy i was full, there was like *lots* of that chicken
[21:28] <knome> i barely could eat the naan bread even if it was delicious
[21:28] <kwwii> exactly...at first it doesn't look like much but it is just big pieces of chicken in spicy sauce
[21:28] <knome> yup
[21:28] <kwwii> and the bread is super filling
[21:29] <kwwii> the air pockets are really small ;)
[21:29] <knome> the "bombay potatoes" sound interesting
[21:30] <knome> ok, so is there anything else i should know?
[21:31] <SiDi> kwwii: do you know what is the developer spring on the release schedule ?
[21:31] <kwwii> wow, I haven't seen their new website...they now have 4 locations :p
[21:31] <kwwii> *amazing*
[21:31] <knome> yep, i saw that
[21:31] <kwwii> full proffesional
[21:31] <knome> totally!
[21:32] <knome> it makes the place look really shiny
[21:32] <kwwii> dude, back in the day it was just this gaudy hole-in-the-wall that all the developers liked because it was the nearest restaurant with vegetarian food :p
[21:32] <knome> haha
[21:32] <knome> i don't get the veg stuff mostly
[21:33] <knome> it's ok to eat in such place now and then but really... who doesn't like a good beef
[21:35] <kwwii> no doubt
[21:35] <kwwii> but that is pretty hard to find in europe
[21:36] <kwwii> the americas is where one goes for beef
[21:36] <knome> well, most meat is edible
[21:36] <knome> a good veg restaurant might also be hard to find
[21:36] <kwwii> north, middle, south, it does not matter, the entire continent has better beef and knows how to cook it better than europe
[21:36] <kwwii> although south africa was pretty good too, although they are bigger on lamb
[21:37] <knome> you might be correct.
[21:37] <kwwii> lol, no doubt
[21:37] <knome> i like chicken also but rarely eat it in a restaurant
[21:37] <kwwii> I was in SA a few months ago and one evening we went to Marks house and he grilled for us
[21:38] <kwwii> it was a pretty nice evening
[21:38] <knome> ...wow. i want mark to grill for me as well :P
[21:38] <kwwii> the thing is, he is not really that good of a cook
[21:38] <knome> haha
[21:38] <kwwii> but as a man in south africa you have to know how to grill, or think you do at least
[21:38] <knome> don't let him hear that
[21:39] <knome> well you know, in *finland*, everybody think they know how to do everything with food, but most of them suck at most of things.
[21:39] <kwwii> oh, I am quite the gastronome, having had my own restaurants and such...I shut my mouth ;)
[21:39] <knome> you had a restaurant? why did you shut it down?
[21:40] <kwwii> other than some kind of marinated/salted/smoked fish, I don't know any dishes from finland
[21:40] <knome> there isn't really that much anything "from" finland.
[21:40] <kwwii> but I bet the best ones from your grandma are something like fish with mashed potatoes and some kind vegetable, some mixed, some in layers
[21:40] <kwwii> or something like that
[21:40] <kwwii> :p
[21:41] <knome> rye bread. (salty) licquorice (the candies). but those aren't dishes :P
[21:41] <kwwii> ;)
[21:41] <kwwii> I only like english licquorice
[21:41] <kwwii> funny that
[21:41] <knome> i suppose finnish people like fish, yeah.
[21:41] <kwwii> the german stuff is hard-core anise
[21:42] <knome> the finnish stuff is even more HC, i think
[21:42] <knome> it's not anice, it's something you can't describe
[21:42] <knome> but it's damn good
[21:42] <kwwii> well, I have been in norway twice and I can say that they eat fish for just about every meal
[21:42] <knome> and everybody in mid-europe hates it :P
[21:42] <kwwii> hehe, at least you like it!
[21:43] <knome> heh, well norway is next to ocean :P
[21:43] <knome> and they make a lot of money with their fish
[21:43] <knome> (and oil)
[21:43] <kwwii> dude, when you fly over it you get the feeling it is a series of islands in the ocean, only *really* close together
[21:43] <knome> yeah.
[21:44] <knome> when you fly over finland it looks like a country with lots of holes in it.
[21:44] <kwwii> I remember two hotels in which the smell of the breakfast buffet never seemed to like my hangovers ;
[21:44] <kwwii> )
[21:44] <knome> haha, i can imagine that
[21:44] <knome> norway (at least the northern norway) is quite expensive
[21:44] <knome> but so is finland. not that expensive though.
[21:45] <kwwii> I like fish, actually...and living in germany/europe has taught me to like eating smelly things
[21:45] <kwwii> I met some norwegians who fly to sweden to buy pork...funny that
[21:45] <knome> sure. smelly things can of course taste good.
[21:45] <knome> kwwii, *exactly*
[21:46] <kwwii> one hidden secret is that the largest national export of Denmark is......pork!
[21:46] <knome> once you drive over the border in the north (from finland to norway), about everything is half more expensive. except fish and oil.
[21:46] <kwwii> lol
[21:46] <kwwii> fish oil being the cheapest
[21:47] <knome> a 1,5 desiliter yoghurt can easily cost 4,5 euros.
[21:47] <knome> you know, norwegian people...
[21:47] <kwwii> I guess that far north in norway most of the cost is getting it there
[21:47] <knome> that too, of course.
[21:47] <knome> but it's still damn expensive.
[21:48] <kwwii> the first time, I was in kristiansand which you would think is close enough the europe to be somewhat cheaper
[21:48] <knome> hah!
[21:49] <kwwii> but Oslo set me straight
[21:49] <kwwii> 10-12 Euros for a beer, etc
[21:49] <knome> okay, that's a lot.
[21:49] <kwwii> funny enough, just outside of paris, at one UDS it was like 8euros a pint
[21:49] <knome> that's a lot too
[21:50] <knome> in helsinki, it's about 5-7 euros.
[21:50] <knome> or a bit more, depends on the beer you are willing to drink
[21:50] <knome> you can get something for maybe even 3 euros, that that's some finnish crap.
[21:50] <kwwii> hehe, where I live there are more breweries per capita than anywhere in the world...it's about 2€ for .5 liter
[21:51] <knome> exactly.
[21:51] <kwwii> and best of all, all the breweries have beer gardens which serve good food
[21:51] <knome> most of the finnish breweries are really bad or at most decent.
[21:52] <kwwii> I went to one this evening and had a wonderful meal for 4 people with drinks for 30€
[21:52] <knome> there are a few ok
[21:52] <knome> ...
[21:52] <knome> so where did you live again? are the rents/apartments cheap? :P
[21:53] <kwwii> I live just outside of Bamberg Germany, in Franken
[21:53] <kwwii> it is officially part of bavaria but the people here don't see it that way ;)
[21:53] <knome> hehe
[21:53] <kwwii> they have their own dialect and flag, etc.
[21:54] <knome> weirdo.
[21:54] <kwwii> it used to be part of Franken back in the day when it was the whole of france and spain as well as southern germany
[21:54] <kwwii> and this is the only place in the world which sees it that way ;)
[21:54] <knome> hmm ;)
[21:54] <kwwii> very old-school, very catholic
[21:55] <knome> hmm
[21:56] <kwwii> the frankenreich became, over time, just frankreich (france) but they still think differently here :p
[21:56] <knome> so what do you think? :P
[21:58] <kwwii> well, I've only lived here for 13 years...my previous life in America was pretty much the exact opposite
[21:58] <kwwii> things just work differently here...no wonder everyone thinks the water goes down the drain the other way
[21:58] <kwwii> :p
[21:58] <knome> heh
[21:59] <knome> i see
[22:01] <knome> btw, the tube map looks fabulous.
[22:01] <kwwii> hehe, good luck
[22:02] <kwwii> I suggest looking at the website before you plan a trip
[22:02] <knome> hmm?
[22:02] <kwwii> several lines are down at any given time
[22:02] <kwwii> plan for it
[22:02] <knome> yeah, i looked at it
[22:02] <kwwii> it is a pain in the ass, really
[22:02] <knome> the green and yellow lines are closed on the weekend when we're there, but we just use the other lines then
[22:03] <kwwii> check the morning before you plan to use it
[22:03] <knome> our hotel is really close to earl's court so no problem
[22:03] <kwwii> or a few hours before
[22:03] <knome> really?
[22:03] <knome> woot
[22:03] <kwwii> there are often fires and such
[22:03] <knome> right.
[22:03] <knome> there was no problems when i was there last time.
[22:03] <SiDi> ahahah
[22:03] <kwwii> I always check shortly before I leave
[22:03] <knome> i'm not sure if my wife lets me take a laptop with me
[22:03] <SiDi> it sounds so reliable when you speak of it
[22:04] <SiDi> knome: dont take one, have real holidays :P
[22:04] <kwwii> well, there is your reason!
[22:04] <SiDi> dont take the risk to disappoint her
[22:04] <knome> SiDi, we have to go to a board game shop anyway, so she gets disappointed anyway
[22:04] <knome> ;)
[22:04] <SiDi> aw :P
[22:04] <kwwii> after Dublin next week, I will be gone for 3 weeks in Southern France, my wife asked me today if I plan to bring my laptop and check my emails every day like I did last year :p
[22:04] <knome> (and most possibly i have to buy something from there as well)
[22:05] <knome> kwwii, dang
[22:05] <SiDi> where in southern france kwwii ?
[22:05] <knome> well, traveling with laptop is a minor annoyance anyway
[22:05] <kwwii> hehe, I just bought risk for my 11 year old son...he is amazed
[22:05] <knome> or minor-major
[22:05] <kwwii> he wants to bring it with us
[22:05] <knome> kwwii, risk, DANG! :)
[22:05] <kwwii> SiDi: we have a house 7km outside of Cannes
[22:06] <SiDi> okies :)
[22:06] <knome> kwwii, with board games i mean something different from risk, monopoly etc.
[22:06] <kwwii> lol
[22:06] <knome> no insult on those games, but they are really quite a lot luck based
[22:07] <knome> and thus don't bring the pleasure of winning ;)
[22:07]  * kwwii hates games
[22:07] <kwwii> life is enough of a game
[22:07]  * SiDi loves games when he wins
[22:07] <kwwii> I do not play board games or video games or anything anymore
[22:07] <SiDi> i used to play video games a lot :p
[22:07] <kwwii> funny that...it is what got me started in computers
[22:07] <knome> i kind of hate the games also (even the ones i say i love the most) even when i am playing them.
[22:07] <SiDi> when i still had a reliable internet i was playing ET:QW a lot :O
[22:08] <SiDi> (was ranked #~200 out of 300 000 :P)
[22:08] <kwwii> back in the day, I was the only kid with trs-80 at home, so I wrote text games...I loved that
[22:08] <knome> hehe
[22:08] <kwwii> I am just too old for fps games and such
[22:09] <kwwii> although at SUSE we always had a quake and bzflag server running and it does take a load off to kill your colleague with an rpg ;)
[22:09] <kwwii> novell killed that quickly, of course
[22:09] <SiDi> hahaha
[22:09] <knome> kwwii, a *board game* -> http://images.boardgamegeek.com/images/pic66968_lg.jpg :)
[22:10] <kwwii> lol
[22:10] <kwwii> a long, long, long time ago, I played DnD..back when it first started
[22:10] <knome> you know, all those lovely wooden cubes :P~
[22:11] <kwwii> my sister lived next door to Gary Gigax, the guy who made it up, essentially
[22:11] <knome> i've never really understood the rpg's neither wargames.
[22:12] <kwwii> I think I liked painting the little lead figures more than actually acting out the games unfortunately
[22:12]  * SiDi is playing a video game right now X_x
[22:12] <kwwii> although, my painting was better than everyone else, and I am loud-mouth anyway so I always seemed to win :p
[22:12] <kwwii> SiDi is a geek
[22:12] <knome> it's hilarious to see big men use a ruler to see if the figure moves 1cm or 1,1cm
[22:12] <SiDi> of course i am kwwii :D
[22:13] <kwwii> ;)
[22:13] <SiDi> im actually out of funny stuff to code
[22:13] <knome> and then throwing 20 dice to determine if some figure loses 1 or 2 HP
[22:13] <SiDi> or more accurately out of motivation to code what's left
[22:13] <kwwii> SiDi: what languages are you good at?
[22:13] <SiDi> kwwii: mostly C
[22:13] <SiDi> but i love coding in Lisp :P
[22:13] <SiDi> i learnt python this summer while workin on exaile
[22:14] <kwwii> lol, while haskell has always been my favorite
[22:14] <SiDi> and i also know C++, Java, Ada, Scheme, some web languages, a bit of Prolog and asm
[22:14] <kwwii> when I went to university we learned fortran :p
[22:15] <SiDi> haha :D
[22:15] <kwwii> and man, I was good at it
[22:15] <knome> i have a RM/COBOL-85 book in my bookshelf, anyone has any use for it?
[22:15] <SiDi> knome: sure... :d
[22:15] <knome> SiDi, shall i send it over to you?
[22:16] <SiDi> i dont remember having read more than 20 % of any programming book i ever had
[22:16] <knome> me neither
[22:16] <SiDi> knome: no, thanks ;) i doubt it'll serve me much
[22:16] <kwwii> if you are looking for something to do, you should talk to Ted Gould (canonical employee, inkscape maintainer, etc) about helping/doing-it to write the python app for icon rendering
[22:16] <kwwii> COBOL rocks!
[22:16] <knome> i can't remember reading more than 5% of blah blah, except css/webdesign books, but that's not programming
[22:17] <kwwii> I got my first programming job because of my perl sk1llz
[22:17] <SiDi> kwwii: i actually should work on notify-osd's memory leaks T_T but i'm too lazy
[22:17] <knome> d'oh
[22:17] <kwwii> SiDi: macslow would love you
[22:17] <SiDi> there also are a few bad bugs left in exaile, but i spent over two weeks working on it so im a bit fed up :p
[22:17] <kwwii> as would we all ;)
[22:17] <knome> i got my first "programming" job because of my ugh... php/drupal "skills"
[22:18] <SiDi> knome: ive only worked in web so far :p
[22:18] <kwwii> reviewing code is really hard, you get a different feel for things
[22:18] <SiDi> it convinced me to go for something else...
[22:18] <kwwii> it is a great way to learn a language
[22:18] <SiDi> kwwii: especially when the code is so big =D
[22:18] <kwwii> lol, no doubt
[22:18] <SiDi> i actually learn by reading code :/
[22:18] <knome> kwwii, i wasn't reviewing the code, a guy came lurking every now and then to do that for me :P
[22:18] <kwwii> depending upon how nasty it is, you just might learn something!
[22:18] <SiDi> no wonder why i actually suck at programming :D
[22:18] <knome> *THAT* was nasty
[22:18] <kwwii> well, there is a lot of nasty code out there
[22:18] <knome> i doubt the guy hated me
[22:19] <kwwii> and I can imagine that notify-osd has some nasty parts
[22:19] <SiDi> if you want NASTY code, check my bt client's source
[22:19] <kwwii> it was developed so quickly with one thing in mind
[22:19] <kwwii> :p
[22:19] <SiDi> i offer beer if you understand it :d
[22:19] <kwwii> lol
[22:19] <knome> kwwii, beer?
[22:19] <knome> ;)
[22:20] <SiDi> kwwii: some parts of notifyosd are indeed funny
[22:20]  * kwwii opens the vodka bottle and heads off to bed
[22:20] <SiDi> it makes me think to implementations of rsa and such
[22:20] <SiDi> a lot of numbers and weird operations :d
[22:20] <knome> hehe, night kwwii
[22:20] <kwwii> time for a film
[22:20] <knome> i'm having some rum
[22:20] <SiDi> im having some... water
[22:20] <SiDi> .
[22:20] <knome> SiDi, and no jokes about that! :P
[22:20] <SiDi> night kwwii :)
[22:20] <knome> kwwii, and thanks for the tips :)
[22:20] <kwwii> rum makes my heart beat too fast :p
[22:20] <kwwii> have fun!