[08:32] kwwii: morning! just got notice that my membership in the ubuntu-art LP team will expire in 7 days [09:25] hi _o/ [11:04] thorwil: fixed ;) [11:04] kwwii: thanks! [11:05] it's the least I could do :) [11:05] it's odd that anyone can join, bu then you get this [11:05] hi kwwii thorwil [11:05] well, I could turn it off but then I would have a lot of people asking me to remove them [11:06] hi SiDi [11:06] and a lot of people would stay subscribed although they are not interested [11:06] ic [11:14] kwwii: Bug #407621 , gnome has decided to remove icons! [11:14] Launchpad bug 407621 in libgnome "Icons missing from context menu , buttons" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407621 [11:27] mac_v: one more reason to download Xubuntu asap [11:27] \o/ xubuntu here i come [11:39] :p [11:39] I do not like icons in menus anyway [11:47] icons in menus should be animated to become really useful. and each menu should have its own clippy-like avatar! [11:48] yes! [11:49] meh [11:49] strobing flashing techno animations [11:49] icons make it much faster to recognise a button T_T [11:49] also jingles per item [11:49] SiDi: kwwii: i found a workaround for the icon display [11:49] \o/ [11:49] bye bye xubuntu ;p [11:49] sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop ? [11:49] SiDi: seriously, i don't think that's always true [11:49] I always wanted to responsible for someone having a seizure from my artwork ;) [11:50] kwwii: not enough pokemon [11:50] my guess is that you can still turn them back on vie gconf [11:52] kwwii: i can , i just did , and i now have icons [11:53] boo to gnome ... ;p [11:54] yippee [11:55] :p [12:18] i maintain that typing the above command is faster [17:06] kwwii: ping... :) did you receive my mail? just checking least you'd forget who sent it ;p [17:16] pinging is forbidden on saturdays ! [17:16] SiDi, no, it's not :P [17:30] SiDi: ping ;p [18:43] mac_v: yes, I got it, thanks! [18:44] kwwii: :) [20:19] sup normal people [20:19] :D [20:20] nobody told me there would be normal people around! [20:22] hi anormal dbm ! [20:27] :D [20:27] So this is the leet artwork team?:d [20:29] yep. [20:50] groupies should be different [20:56] groupies? ;) [20:56] you have any? [20:56] * knome looks around [20:58] thorwil, so do you live/work in london? [20:59] knome: nope. germany/moenchengladbach [21:00] ah-ha. [21:00] why come i thought you worked at london? [21:01] knome: maybe because it was mentioned on this channel that it was a problem that i'm not in london and you simply forgot the "not"? ;) [21:01] don't know. [21:01] do you even happen to know places in london? :P [21:02] i thought you were from nederlands thorwil :D [21:02] me too, actually. [21:03] knome: depemds on how you define "know". piccadilly square, baker street ... [21:04] eh. :P i define it as deeper knowing than that. [21:04] i've visited london once myself, but we're heading there in a week. [21:04] SiDi: geographically that's helemaal near [21:04] "helemaal" ?! [21:06] dutch for completely/thorough ... [21:06] I am in london every other week, if anyone needs anything :p [21:06] okay. [21:06] kwwii, o/ me [21:06] and since we are all in germany, we should meet up :p [21:06] kwwii: the crown jewel, please [21:06] jewels, even [21:06] although I am not sure if I am allowed to hang out with prussians [21:07] lol [21:07] kwwii, tell me some inside tips. places outside the usual tourist places worth visiting? [21:07] kwwii, a proper sushi place? [21:07] knome: my flat is a nice place to visit but its damn far from london :O [21:07] hrm, to be honest, there is lots of sushi but most of it was pretty crappy [21:07] sushi? should be fish and chips wrapped in the Times! [21:08] knome: just seeing all the big sites will take a while and if you take the tube and bus around you will see quite a bit [21:08] SiDi, haha, we actually thought we might visit paris, but that turned out to be a bit... too expensive [21:08] just a couple of streets from victoria station are some really great eastern restaurants [21:08] kwwii, we're not going to see a lot of the big sites [21:09] kwwii, maybe one day of that or sth. [21:09] chinatown is close to picadilly circus, go there as well [21:09] kwwii, yeah, we're going there :) [21:09] I guess my "sites" in london, in the meantime, are the good restaurants I eat at while there [21:09] kwwii, any recommendations are welcome [21:10] honestly good restaurants can be hard to find if you are not carefull [21:10] yeah, i know that [21:10] my favorite curry is about 100m from vauxhall station [21:10] "the coriander" [21:10] okay [21:10] that is the canonical default restaurant when people visit london [21:11] o.O [21:11] I have had the same dish two nights in a row because it is so good [21:11] when will you be in London? [21:11] what is that? [21:11] chicken tikka marsala or so [21:11] 6th - 12th [21:12] after a while I just started to pick randomly and I like pretty much everything they have [21:12] just be sure not to order the really hot stuff unless you mean it ;) [21:12] what were those good eastern restaurants near victoria? i personally don't like chinese, but everything else is fine [21:12] I'll be in Dublin next week, otherwise I would have offered to get dinner or such [21:13] there is a street just around the corner and the whole street is restaurants [21:13] let me find it on google maps [21:13] I only know it from walking from the office [21:13] kwwii, too bad. maybe some other time. and be sure to tell me if you are coming to finland ;) [21:13] okay [21:13] i usually order the most hot dish in restaurants anyway so.. [21:14] good night! [21:14] that was quick :P [21:14] it is between Victoria and Eaton Square, one of the north-south streets...not sure which one, sorry [21:15] no problem [21:15] i bet we find it anyway :) [21:15] well, southwest-norhteast streets [21:15] it is the only street in the area which is all restaurants [21:15] yeah :P [21:15] i can imagine [21:16] the coriander looks quite stylish. is there any dresscode? :P [21:16] or is the website doing tricks on me [21:16] no, but they get full quick so you might want to call ahead [21:16] ah [21:17] well, it is nice looking inside but only like 10 tables [21:17] quite small [21:17] right [21:17] and they make a nice frsh mago lassie [21:17] that sounds like a perfectly average finnish restaurant... [21:18] lol [21:18] no, really! [21:18] the british national war museum is interesting if you are into spy stuff and the like [21:18] not really. and neither of us is into museums :P [21:19] and the tate gallery, other than being directly next to the canonical office is also nice [21:19] hehe [21:19] can we visit canonical ? :p [21:19] kwwii, can you give me a dummy postcode so i can browse the menu online :P [21:20] well, we are on the 23rd floor of the millbank tower, if you make it past security without a badge, good luck! [21:20] kwwii, that definitely sounds like an adventure! [21:20] i'll hack the cyborgs keeping the entrance, kwwii [21:20] * knome adds an item to his london todo-list [21:21] the start-trek like sliding door entrance to the office has a hand-print scanner ;) [21:21] star trek, naturally [21:22] wtf [21:22] not even all the employees have their hands scanned, only those who work in the office every day [21:22] ubuntu's deployed in the MI5's office, and you guys actually make sure everything goes fine, or what ? :P [21:22] actually, it is using some wierd light or something to read the structure of your bones apparently [21:23] magnetic, maybe [21:23] we are just across the street from MI5 [21:23] kwwii, have you seen the mythbusters episode where they "breal" the fingertip scanners? P [21:23] and across the river from MI6 [21:23] :P [21:23] hehe, this is whole hand thing [21:23] and it is a bitch to put your hand on the scanner exactly right [21:23] o.O [21:23] it tells you which fingers to move which way, etc [21:23] lol [21:24] kwwii, ok, a question. do you have to order rice separately in the coriander? :P [21:24] yes, you do [21:24] okay [21:24] that's weird [21:24] and pampardams (or however you spell it) [21:24] knome: is it that you're very shy, or you intend to bring your own rice ? T_T [21:24] SiDi, i intend to bring my own rice, of course [21:25] well, there are different kinds of rice [21:25] so you can choose [21:25] SiDi, actually, i'll just substitute rice with rum [21:25] plain rice [21:25] or the stuff with the pistachios and such (not sure of the name) [21:25] yeah i see, i'm browsing the online menu [21:25] the portions are large [21:25] so am i [21:25] ;) [21:25] I can barely finish one and I am a big guy [21:25] okay [21:26] so we shouldn't order four rice portions with my smallish wife? [21:26] ;) [21:26] hehe, exactly [21:26] okay [21:26] get two completely different things and eat them together [21:26] with one rice [21:26] yeah [21:26] you can order more ;) [21:26] one rice? [21:26] meh [21:26] ;P [21:26] get pamapardams with the sauces first ;) [21:27] or chutneys I guess [21:27] i suppose that's reasonable [21:27] you mean a bread or a side dish? [21:27] as a kind of appetizer or with the meal itself [21:28] i remember at the uds jaunty, we went to a indian fast food place [21:28] i ordered some chicken plus a naan bread [21:28] I always get it before, or when I just eat a vegetarian dish with no rice [21:28] boy i was full, there was like *lots* of that chicken [21:28] i barely could eat the naan bread even if it was delicious [21:28] exactly...at first it doesn't look like much but it is just big pieces of chicken in spicy sauce [21:28] yup [21:28] and the bread is super filling [21:29] the air pockets are really small ;) [21:29] the "bombay potatoes" sound interesting [21:30] ok, so is there anything else i should know? [21:31] kwwii: do you know what is the developer spring on the release schedule ? [21:31] wow, I haven't seen their new website...they now have 4 locations :p [21:31] *amazing* [21:31] yep, i saw that [21:31] full proffesional [21:31] totally! [21:32] it makes the place look really shiny [21:32] dude, back in the day it was just this gaudy hole-in-the-wall that all the developers liked because it was the nearest restaurant with vegetarian food :p [21:32] haha [21:32] i don't get the veg stuff mostly [21:33] it's ok to eat in such place now and then but really... who doesn't like a good beef [21:35] no doubt [21:35] but that is pretty hard to find in europe [21:36] the americas is where one goes for beef [21:36] well, most meat is edible [21:36] a good veg restaurant might also be hard to find [21:36] north, middle, south, it does not matter, the entire continent has better beef and knows how to cook it better than europe [21:36] although south africa was pretty good too, although they are bigger on lamb [21:37] you might be correct. [21:37] lol, no doubt [21:37] i like chicken also but rarely eat it in a restaurant [21:37] I was in SA a few months ago and one evening we went to Marks house and he grilled for us [21:38] it was a pretty nice evening [21:38] ...wow. i want mark to grill for me as well :P [21:38] the thing is, he is not really that good of a cook [21:38] haha [21:38] but as a man in south africa you have to know how to grill, or think you do at least [21:38] don't let him hear that [21:39] well you know, in *finland*, everybody think they know how to do everything with food, but most of them suck at most of things. [21:39] oh, I am quite the gastronome, having had my own restaurants and such...I shut my mouth ;) [21:39] you had a restaurant? why did you shut it down? [21:40] other than some kind of marinated/salted/smoked fish, I don't know any dishes from finland [21:40] there isn't really that much anything "from" finland. [21:40] but I bet the best ones from your grandma are something like fish with mashed potatoes and some kind vegetable, some mixed, some in layers [21:40] or something like that [21:40] :p [21:41] rye bread. (salty) licquorice (the candies). but those aren't dishes :P [21:41] ;) [21:41] I only like english licquorice [21:41] funny that [21:41] i suppose finnish people like fish, yeah. [21:41] the german stuff is hard-core anise [21:42] the finnish stuff is even more HC, i think [21:42] it's not anice, it's something you can't describe [21:42] but it's damn good [21:42] well, I have been in norway twice and I can say that they eat fish for just about every meal [21:42] and everybody in mid-europe hates it :P [21:42] hehe, at least you like it! [21:43] heh, well norway is next to ocean :P [21:43] and they make a lot of money with their fish [21:43] (and oil) [21:43] dude, when you fly over it you get the feeling it is a series of islands in the ocean, only *really* close together [21:43] yeah. [21:44] when you fly over finland it looks like a country with lots of holes in it. [21:44] I remember two hotels in which the smell of the breakfast buffet never seemed to like my hangovers ; [21:44] ) [21:44] haha, i can imagine that [21:44] norway (at least the northern norway) is quite expensive [21:44] but so is finland. not that expensive though. [21:45] I like fish, actually...and living in germany/europe has taught me to like eating smelly things [21:45] I met some norwegians who fly to sweden to buy pork...funny that [21:45] sure. smelly things can of course taste good. [21:45] kwwii, *exactly* [21:46] one hidden secret is that the largest national export of Denmark is......pork! [21:46] once you drive over the border in the north (from finland to norway), about everything is half more expensive. except fish and oil. [21:46] lol [21:46] fish oil being the cheapest [21:47] a 1,5 desiliter yoghurt can easily cost 4,5 euros. [21:47] you know, norwegian people... [21:47] I guess that far north in norway most of the cost is getting it there [21:47] that too, of course. [21:47] but it's still damn expensive. [21:48] the first time, I was in kristiansand which you would think is close enough the europe to be somewhat cheaper [21:48] hah! [21:49] but Oslo set me straight [21:49] 10-12 Euros for a beer, etc [21:49] okay, that's a lot. [21:49] funny enough, just outside of paris, at one UDS it was like 8euros a pint [21:49] that's a lot too [21:50] in helsinki, it's about 5-7 euros. [21:50] or a bit more, depends on the beer you are willing to drink [21:50] you can get something for maybe even 3 euros, that that's some finnish crap. [21:50] hehe, where I live there are more breweries per capita than anywhere in the world...it's about 2€ for .5 liter [21:51] exactly. [21:51] and best of all, all the breweries have beer gardens which serve good food [21:51] most of the finnish breweries are really bad or at most decent. [21:52] I went to one this evening and had a wonderful meal for 4 people with drinks for 30€ [21:52] there are a few ok [21:52] ... [21:52] so where did you live again? are the rents/apartments cheap? :P [21:53] I live just outside of Bamberg Germany, in Franken [21:53] it is officially part of bavaria but the people here don't see it that way ;) [21:53] hehe [21:53] they have their own dialect and flag, etc. [21:54] weirdo. [21:54] it used to be part of Franken back in the day when it was the whole of france and spain as well as southern germany [21:54] and this is the only place in the world which sees it that way ;) [21:54] hmm ;) [21:54] very old-school, very catholic [21:55] hmm [21:56] the frankenreich became, over time, just frankreich (france) but they still think differently here :p [21:56] so what do you think? :P [21:58] well, I've only lived here for 13 years...my previous life in America was pretty much the exact opposite [21:58] things just work differently here...no wonder everyone thinks the water goes down the drain the other way [21:58] :p [21:58] heh [21:59] i see [22:01] btw, the tube map looks fabulous. [22:01] hehe, good luck [22:02] I suggest looking at the website before you plan a trip [22:02] hmm? [22:02] several lines are down at any given time [22:02] plan for it [22:02] yeah, i looked at it [22:02] it is a pain in the ass, really [22:02] the green and yellow lines are closed on the weekend when we're there, but we just use the other lines then [22:03] check the morning before you plan to use it [22:03] our hotel is really close to earl's court so no problem [22:03] or a few hours before [22:03] really? [22:03] woot [22:03] there are often fires and such [22:03] right. [22:03] there was no problems when i was there last time. [22:03] ahahah [22:03] I always check shortly before I leave [22:03] i'm not sure if my wife lets me take a laptop with me [22:03] it sounds so reliable when you speak of it [22:04] knome: dont take one, have real holidays :P [22:04] well, there is your reason! [22:04] dont take the risk to disappoint her [22:04] SiDi, we have to go to a board game shop anyway, so she gets disappointed anyway [22:04] ;) [22:04] aw :P [22:04] after Dublin next week, I will be gone for 3 weeks in Southern France, my wife asked me today if I plan to bring my laptop and check my emails every day like I did last year :p [22:04] (and most possibly i have to buy something from there as well) [22:05] kwwii, dang [22:05] where in southern france kwwii ? [22:05] well, traveling with laptop is a minor annoyance anyway [22:05] hehe, I just bought risk for my 11 year old son...he is amazed [22:05] or minor-major [22:05] he wants to bring it with us [22:05] kwwii, risk, DANG! :) [22:05] SiDi: we have a house 7km outside of Cannes [22:06] okies :) [22:06] kwwii, with board games i mean something different from risk, monopoly etc. [22:06] lol [22:06] no insult on those games, but they are really quite a lot luck based [22:07] and thus don't bring the pleasure of winning ;) [22:07] * kwwii hates games [22:07] life is enough of a game [22:07] * SiDi loves games when he wins [22:07] I do not play board games or video games or anything anymore [22:07] i used to play video games a lot :p [22:07] funny that...it is what got me started in computers [22:07] i kind of hate the games also (even the ones i say i love the most) even when i am playing them. [22:07] when i still had a reliable internet i was playing ET:QW a lot :O [22:08] (was ranked #~200 out of 300 000 :P) [22:08] back in the day, I was the only kid with trs-80 at home, so I wrote text games...I loved that [22:08] hehe [22:08] I am just too old for fps games and such [22:09] although at SUSE we always had a quake and bzflag server running and it does take a load off to kill your colleague with an rpg ;) [22:09] novell killed that quickly, of course [22:09] hahaha [22:09] kwwii, a *board game* -> http://images.boardgamegeek.com/images/pic66968_lg.jpg :) [22:10] lol [22:10] a long, long, long time ago, I played DnD..back when it first started [22:10] you know, all those lovely wooden cubes :P~ [22:11] my sister lived next door to Gary Gigax, the guy who made it up, essentially [22:11] i've never really understood the rpg's neither wargames. [22:12] I think I liked painting the little lead figures more than actually acting out the games unfortunately [22:12] * SiDi is playing a video game right now X_x [22:12] although, my painting was better than everyone else, and I am loud-mouth anyway so I always seemed to win :p [22:12] SiDi is a geek [22:12] it's hilarious to see big men use a ruler to see if the figure moves 1cm or 1,1cm [22:12] of course i am kwwii :D [22:13] ;) [22:13] im actually out of funny stuff to code [22:13] and then throwing 20 dice to determine if some figure loses 1 or 2 HP [22:13] or more accurately out of motivation to code what's left [22:13] SiDi: what languages are you good at? [22:13] kwwii: mostly C [22:13] but i love coding in Lisp :P [22:13] i learnt python this summer while workin on exaile [22:14] lol, while haskell has always been my favorite [22:14] and i also know C++, Java, Ada, Scheme, some web languages, a bit of Prolog and asm [22:14] when I went to university we learned fortran :p [22:15] haha :D [22:15] and man, I was good at it [22:15] i have a RM/COBOL-85 book in my bookshelf, anyone has any use for it? [22:15] knome: sure... :d [22:15] SiDi, shall i send it over to you? [22:16] i dont remember having read more than 20 % of any programming book i ever had [22:16] me neither [22:16] knome: no, thanks ;) i doubt it'll serve me much [22:16] if you are looking for something to do, you should talk to Ted Gould (canonical employee, inkscape maintainer, etc) about helping/doing-it to write the python app for icon rendering [22:16] COBOL rocks! [22:16] i can't remember reading more than 5% of blah blah, except css/webdesign books, but that's not programming [22:17] I got my first programming job because of my perl sk1llz [22:17] kwwii: i actually should work on notify-osd's memory leaks T_T but i'm too lazy [22:17] d'oh [22:17] SiDi: macslow would love you [22:17]