[16:31] <oly> anyone around who can help me get a script running 
[16:31] <oly> or point me at how to debug what is going wrong
[16:32] <oly> are there any log files etc, or anything like thta 
[16:32] <oly> currently when i start my process i seem to get 4 processes for some reason
[16:33] <oly> currently looking like i am going to have to stick to using rc.d to launch apps as nothing i try in upstart seems to work 
[16:33] <oly> and it never tells me why, 
[18:12] <sadmac2> oly: /var/log/messages
[18:57] <oly> thanks for the tip sadmac2
[18:57] <oly> when i set up a script and run sudo start script it shows 4 processes is that normal 
[18:58] <oly> or is it actualy launching 4 instances of the process for some reason ?
[19:06] <oly> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/m5edd07f2
[19:07] <oly> if anyone can tell me if that is correct it shows no processes the script then the processes after its started
[19:07] <oly> as you can see there are 4 processes at the end instead of 1
[19:26] <sadmac2> oly: the logs indicate upstart only spawned the first one
[19:26] <sadmac2> oly: it must be forking
[19:27] <oly> you mean the fact that the start test3 command only printed one pid
[19:28] <oly> just confusing because if i start it using /etc/init.d inadyn start
[19:28] <oly> it would only show a single process
[19:28] <oly> i was wondering if it was my lack of knowledge or something 
[19:29] <oly> been trying allsorts for ages
[19:32] <oly> nothing appears in /var/log/messages by the way from starting that 
[19:35] <sadmac2> hmm. not sure then. doesn't look like upstart is running more than oe
[19:35] <sadmac2> *one
[19:35] <sadmac2> maybe yoru init.d script passes more arguments
[19:38] <oly> well, if i start inadyn from the terminal it starts fine and shows only one process
[19:38] <oly> perhaps i will try and write some scripts for my own applications and see if i get the same behavior
[20:12] <Keybuk> wow
[20:12] <Keybuk> just confirmed an old mysterious 0.3 bug on 0.6
[20:12] <sadmac2> Keybuk: details
[20:14] <Keybuk> assert() bug
[20:14] <Keybuk> you need two jobs to replicate it, so it shows up for people who've tried to do native boots
[20:14] <Keybuk> e.g.
[20:14] <Keybuk> foo:
[20:14] <Keybuk>    exec foo
[20:14] <Keybuk> bar:
[20:14] <Keybuk>    start on stopping foo
[20:14] <Keybuk>    exec killall foo
[20:14] <Keybuk> then "stop foo"
[20:15] <Keybuk> Upstart will assert()
[20:15] <Keybuk> ie. if you stop a job, and another job that reacts to its "stopping" event *causes* the original job's process to exit
[20:17] <sadmac2> hmm
[20:17] <sadmac2> NetworkManager-vpnc's error messages are for shit.
[20:17] <sadmac2> "Failed."
[20:18] <sadmac2> "Reason: 6"
[20:18] <sadmac2> thanks a lot.
[20:18] <sadmac2> off-topic, but still infuriating
[20:20] <Keybuk> :-)
[20:20] <Keybuk> anyway, I've done a patch and will probably do a 0.6.3 early next week
[20:21] <sadmac2> sweet
[20:25] <Keybuk> *hints that you might want to upgrade from 0.3.x now :p*
[20:27] <sadmac2> Keybuk: we can't take the regression on that state-transfer thing, even as ugly as it is. Not having that pretty much kills the distro (Thanks Jakub!).
[20:42] <Keybuk> it was your patch ;)
[20:42] <Keybuk> this is why you should work to get all your patches upstream
[20:43] <Keybuk> and why hoarding patches by yourself and not working to get them upstream is bad
[20:43] <Keybuk> m'kay? :p
[20:43] <sadmac2> Keybuk: I thought upstream was dead as far as 0.3.*
[20:43] <Keybuk> it is
[20:43] <sadmac2> Keybuk: 0.3.10 was a shock to me
[20:43] <Keybuk> it's doubly dead now
[20:43] <Keybuk> as in I will now actively *not* fix critical bugs in it
[20:44] <sadmac2> what about LTS?
[20:44] <Keybuk> what about it?
[20:44] <sadmac2> you shipped 0.3 with it didn't you?
[20:44] <Keybuk> yes?
[20:44] <Keybuk> this doesn't affect the Support team's ability to provide telephone Support for it?
[20:44] <Keybuk> and the Security team will still provide Security fixes
[20:45] <Keybuk> we don't do what you guys do
[20:45] <Keybuk> once our releases are out, we largely *don't* backport non-security bug fixes to them
[20:45] <Keybuk> instead we suggest people update
[20:46] <sadmac2> oh god. the thought!
[20:46] <sadmac2> our customers expect us to time travel and make the bug not appear in the release they depolyed rather than upgrade a single package
[20:48] <Keybuk> :-)
[20:48] <Keybuk> yes, well
[20:48] <Keybuk> ;-)
[20:49] <sadmac2> life is long and hard
[20:49] <Keybuk> then you die
[20:50] <Keybuk> aka. life's too short to provide support for older releases <g>
[20:50] <sadmac2> Keybuk: you haven't seen the ongoing support plan for RHEL 2.1
[20:51] <sadmac2> Keybuk: the cost grows exponentially. If 3 customers keep that thing for 2 years RH will purchase a country