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davmor2shtylman: :) so hopefully tuesday then :)  I'll let you know :)00:05
davmor2anyway bed00:06
seeleshtylman: you changes the labels so they were first letter caps?00:06
shtylmanseele: yep...00:06
* seele hugs shtylman 00:06
Riddellseele: seen the slideshow?00:10
seeleRiddell: hmm.. "what slideshow", so no :)00:10
shtylmanoh yea...we need a set of "kubuntu" related slides versus the "ubuntu" ones they currently have00:11
seeleRiddell: http://doodle.com/ay88g3hw8cumiv2n00:13
seelenixternal: ^^\00:13
seeleshtylman: ^^ too00:13
* seele looks to see who else hasnt responded00:13
seeleapachelogger: ^^^^^00:14
Dario_AndresDoes anyone know why they are KDE4.3 packages but ubuntu still provides qt4.5.0 (when qt4.5.2 has fixed a lot of bugs) ?00:19
Dario_Andresat bugs.kde.org we are getting several crash reports about qt4.5.0 related bugs... on (k)ubuntu and KDE4.3.x packages00:21
RiddellDario_Andres: ubuntu doesn't generally do updates to whole new versions.  if there are testable patches for known bugs those can be put in an update00:22
Riddell(kubuntu provides backports of new KDE versions but that's separate)00:22
Dario_Andresmmh.. I see..00:23
Dario_AndresRiddell: and can't this backport repos which provide new KDE version provide this updated Qt packages too ? or it can't be done because it could affect another apps ?00:23
Riddellit could, but compiling and testing Qt is many hours work00:24
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Dario_Andresyes, I know ... :-\00:26
Dario_Andresdo you know if someone else packages Qt4 out there ? some other ppa ?00:26
a|wenDario_Andres: 4.5.1 is in the experimental ppa ... doesn't look like 4.5.2 is anywhere00:28
Dario_Andresa|wen: ok, thanks! thanks Riddell too :)00:29
a|wencould update that one ... most of the time is compile time, so can do other stuff in the meantime00:31
JontheEchidnawe should just upload 4.5.2 to the 4.3 repo00:32
JontheEchidnahmm, but eventually when we move the packages over to official backports...00:33
JontheEchidnaI think Qt 4.5.2 would be ready for jaunty-backports. There aren't any know regressions and it does have a lot of bugfixes00:34
JontheEchidnaI could do the work if this is generally agreed upon00:35
a|wenJontheEchidna: agreed ... but testing it out in the PPA would be a good idea then00:35
a|wenJontheEchidna: add it to the meeting agenda?00:35
JontheEchidnaI most probably won't be able to attend00:35
RiddellJontheEchidna: but you can't take the karmic packaging, that has the phonon changes00:36
JontheEchidnaRiddell: Qt 4.5.1 is in kubuntu-experimental. It'd probably just require a tarball change, and maybe sync the qtcopy patches00:37
JontheEchidnabut all the backport work is done00:38
Dario_Andresa little sidenote before leaving00:40
Dario_Andresqt-copy on svn is not being updated anymore00:40
Dario_AndresKDE is now using kde-qt.git on gitorius00:40
Dario_Andresso may be you need to change the way of fetching the qt-copy patches.. (may be it is documented somewhere)00:40
JontheEchidnaoh, that's good to know. I hadn't heard about that00:41
shtylmanthat crashes on exit00:42
shtylmanstraight up segfault...no python messages00:42
shtylmanminimal test case I can produce00:42
Dario_AndresJontheEchidna: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/qt-copy/README.qt-copy?revision=987575&view=markup , http://qt.gitorious.org/+kde-developers/qt/kde-qt/blobs/4.5.2-patched/README.kde-qt00:43
RiddellSime_: ^^00:46
mcasadevallevening all00:57
Riddellshtylman: it's something to do with pyKDE needing a KMainWindow00:57
Riddellit's a longstanding bug00:58
* mcasadevall just had a castrophic HDD failure00:58
Riddellevening mcasadevall00:58
mcasadevallRiddell: have you come to Ireland yet?00:58
Riddellmcasadevall: no, not until late tomorrow00:58
mcasadevallRiddell: can you burn a Kubuntu/amd64 alternate CD, and bring it with you?00:58
mcasadevallso I can reinstall?00:58
* mcasadevall has an Kubuntu/i386 liveCD which I'm running off of right now00:58
mcasadevallIts forunate I brought spare SATA HDD drives, and a spare laptop just incase this sorta thing might happen00:59
Riddellmcasadevall: karmic alpha 3?00:59
mcasadevallRiddell: jaunty is perferable actually01:00
mcasadevall(I have a jaunty 9.04 server cd I could use though ..)01:00
* mcasadevall thinks01:00
shtylmanRiddell: interesting...01:01
shtylmanrather unfortunate...01:01
mcasadevallNeedless to say, I'm pissed01:01
a|wenJontheEchidna: one huge qt-copy patch? looks like that is the easiest way to do it without it taking hours to get them01:02
JontheEchidnaeh, it's only missing a few. shouldn't be too hard to even just copy them over from karmic's packagde01:03
Riddellshtylman: you can use pyqt fine01:04
a|wenJontheEchidna: oh, true ... but in the future it looks to be the only way01:05
JontheEchidnayeah :(01:06
shtylmanRiddell: well...yes... indeed I can... but when using kde specific things i need pyKDE :)01:09
* shtylman finally made progress with the KCategorizedView01:10
Riddellshtylman: poke _Sime  :)01:10
Riddellmcasadevall: jaunty alternate amd64 CD is in my laptop CD drive01:11
mcasadevallRiddell: I love you :-)01:12
mcasadevallI'm not sure if this is an HDD failure or something else, but I feel now is a good time to backup01:12
shtylmanso... KIcon is failing for me...02:13
shtylmando I need to initialize something before I use it?02:13
shtylmanbesides KApplication...02:13
shtylmanthat does NOT load the printer icon02:14
shtylmanif I change it to a QIcon and specify an icon in my local directories it works...02:14
shtylmanwhat gives?? :)02:14
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seeleScottK: ping02:37
JontheEchidnashtylman: QVariant needs a pixmap or something returned, KIcon("printer").pixmap(64,64) works02:39
JontheEchidnaKIconLoader would probably be better, so you don't have to hardcode the pixmap size02:39
JontheEchidnaoh, nevermind02:40
JontheEchidnayeah, might have to use KIconLoader, un-nevermind02:40
shtylmanJontheEchidna: really? I looked at other sample code from SystemSettings and it puts a KIcon right into QVariant...02:43
JontheEchidnajust my guess actually02:43
shtylmanbut indeed... the .pixmap(64,64) worked02:43
shtylmanthanks :)02:43
* JontheEchidna wonders how hard it would be to use a K class in a Qt project using the qmake build system02:44
shtylmanwhy would would someone do such a thing!?02:45
shtylmancmake is just...so ... wonderful...02:45
JontheEchidnagiving icons to arora was the plan02:45
JontheEchidnait's just so... bare02:45
shtylmanI think it would be easier to convert them to cmake...02:45
* shtylman wonders why qt doesn't just adopt cmake...02:46
JontheEchidnadunno, cmake seems a natural fit to me02:46
JontheEchidnamaybe it has something to do with their translation setup02:47
shtylmanI mean...they could add the cmake support02:47
shtylmanI can't imagine it would be that bad02:47
shtylmancmake is just so much more powerful02:47
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JontheEchidnathe standard icons that Qt has to choose from is somewhat... lacking: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qstyle.html#StandardPixmap-enum03:01
JontheEchidnain theory we could get oxygen icons out of all of those, but the selection is limited03:01
shtylmanso..internalPointer() on a QModelIndex ... appears to .. not work...03:03
shtylmancauses a segfauly in python03:03
shtylmanhow the hell am I supposed to get my internal data out!! :)03:06
shtylmanit has been locked away...in a sacred place...:(03:07
JontheEchidna^returns a QLolCat03:07
shtylman... wow...03:08
shtylmanI am lost for words...03:08
shtylmanoh man! : "Fatal Python error: deletion of interned string failed"03:08
shtylmanI don't even know what that means...03:08
shtylman... thank you03:09
JontheEchidnaok, I'm done03:10
JontheEchidnathe good news is that I have found a way to get more icons in the menus that I'll be able to submit to arora (since it follows the pattern that they are using for the toolbar buttons)03:15
JontheEchidnanow I'll compile and hope that I see oxygen icons03:15
JontheEchidnathe bad news is that we're still limited in what icons we can use :(03:16
shtylman:/ ... well...some is better than nothing...03:20
shtylmanI cannot for the life of me figure out how to store and retrieve my own data in each model index03:28
shtylmaneverything I have tried has failed... :(03:28
shtylmanJontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/243096/03:32
shtylmanwhat the dickens!!03:32
shtylmanthat should totally work!! right??03:32
JontheEchidnaI've never even attempted model/view :(03:33
JontheEchidnaI've not had a need yet, plus it looks scary03:33
shtylmandude...its scary stuff03:33
shtylmana web of doom if you will03:33
shtylmanit is scary...03:33
shtylmanthe problem is that is is very very generic03:34
shtylmanand thus you have to basically build from the lowest level up and that can get tricky03:34
shtylmanI have done it in c++ ... but I have no idea why this python stuff doesn't work ...03:34
shtylmanwho know.. :/03:34
JontheEchidnaoh what I would give to get KIcon working in arora...04:39
JontheEchidnait'd probably be easier to just port it to kde04:39
JontheEchidnalooks like rekonq is planning another release in two weeks04:43
rgreeninghmm.. flash doesn't seem to be working with youtube anymore under kubuntu (konq or arora)06:26
Mamarokwhy is kdesudo an optional package? It is mandatory for sudo rights in a gui, like systemsettings or such08:27
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* a|wen is running kde4.2.4 and qt4.5.2 on jaunty ... looks to run fine10:44
a|wenwhat was the regressions we had with 4.2.4 ... could be fun seeing if any of them has vanished with the new qt10:45
a|wenJontheEchidna: I've uploaded qt4.5.2 for jaunty to the experimental PPA ... now we just need to find out if we want it in any of the others11:05
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apacheloggera|wen: ping12:25
a|wenapachelogger: pong12:25
apacheloggera|wen: got time to revu a package?12:25
a|wenapachelogger: sure, just give me a link12:26
apacheloggera|wen: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kontrolpack12:27
a|weni'll take a look12:28
apacheloggerkthx :)12:28
a|wenapachelogger: can haz watch file? :)12:37
apacheloggera|wen: doesn't work12:37
apacheloggerfor some reason it fails to find the tar12:37
apacheloggerthough upstream did weird things that since I had him fix some stuff12:37
apacheloggeranyway, simply put: b0rked right now, ought to follow soonish :)12:38
* apachelogger is wondering why launchpad can't resize pics to fit the mugshot requirements12:38
apacheloggerI mean, that is pretty simple graphics editing, even with python one should be able to do this in like 3 lines of code :P12:39
a|wenapachelogger: do they have tar.gz files? ... i can only find zip source archives from upstream12:46
a|wenapachelogger: found it ... http://sf.net/kontrolpack/KontrolPack-(.+)_Linux-2\.6\.tar\.gz ?12:49
apacheloggera|wen: more likely it is a prebuilt binary12:51
apacheloggerthat is the URL I got12:51
apacheloggerbut as mentioned uscan fails to find that12:51
apacheloggermaybe it is hidden or something12:51
a|wenapachelogger: it is located in a subfolder, thats why it fails ... http://sf.net/kontrolpack/kontrolpack_src/KontrolPack-(.+)-src/KontrolPack-(.+)\.tar\.gz13:10
a|wenapachelogger: apart from the watch-file it looks good ... lintian wants a man-page; but dunno how much point there is in that, binary doesn't even accept "--help"13:23
JontheEchidnaa|wen: The Qt 4.5.1 regression we had with KDE 4.2 was that RSSNow was totally busted. Should be fixed in KDE 4.313:36
JontheEchidnawhich is why if that's still an issue, we should only push 4.5.2 to jaunty-backports right before we upload 4.3 to jaunty-backports13:37
apacheloggera|wen: no manpage :P13:39
apacheloggerwill add watchfile though13:39
a|wenJontheEchidna: how busted?13:41
a|wenor busted how?13:41
JontheEchidnaa|wen: everything was invisible inside the appelt13:42
a|weni see ... still an issue in qt 4.5.2 + kde 4.2.413:43
a|weni should upgrade to 4.3.0 soonish and test13:45
* apachelogger thinks that kontrolpacks desktop file is kinda flawed13:46
a|wenapachelogger: are you sure you install the desktop file?13:47
apacheloggermy todo sez I don't because it is flawed13:48
apacheloggerI'll use su-to-root for the time being and get upstream to provide one file for kde and one for gnome13:48
apacheloggeror get su-to-root out of the menu package13:48
apacheloggerthat is really a PITA13:48
a|wenpatch it to something that at least works...13:50
apacheloggerwell, I need to patch for su-to-root anyway13:51
apacheloggerbut since the package ought to provide desktop files for both kdesu and gksu I'd also need to do build magic in order to divert a gnome desktop file from the main one13:51
a|wenwe surely needs a common interface for that13:52
apacheloggersu-to-root would be that13:52
apacheloggerAFAIK it can use about any rootingtool out there13:53
apacheloggerthat includes both those for CLI and GUI13:53
a|wenbut does it currently work?13:53
apacheloggersu-to-root -X -c systemsettings13:54
a|wenthen i'd use that one13:54
apacheloggera|wen: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kontrolpack13:54
apacheloggerwell, it is in menu13:55
a|wenhmm... network plasmoid seems kinda broken in karmic :/13:55
apacheloggerand menu does a lot more than su-to-root (it's not even in the default seeds)13:55
* apachelogger goes swimming13:57
shadeslayeranyone here who can give me some advice on some compilation errors i get in ktorrent?14:41
shadeslayerim probably missing some dev packages....14:44
shadeslayernever mind... :P14:49
a|wenapachelogger: the .png file is installed with executable bit set (+x)14:51
apacheloggera|wen: is that a problem?15:07
a|wenapachelogger: eh... it shouldn't be executable15:08
apacheloggera|wen: yeah, but is it a problem :P15:08
a|wenisn't it an easy fix :P15:09
apacheloggerdh_install can't do that15:09
apacheloggerI'd rather have upstream fix that in the tarball as a whole, since every file in the tar is +x :P15:09
apacheloggerhe didn't fix that complaint in his last retaring15:09
a|weni agree on getting upstream to fix it!15:10
OdyXapachelogger: or do a repack yourself (and add ~ubuntu or whatever before -1)15:19
apacheloggeralso an option15:19
OdyXapachelogger: can be faster...15:21
a|wenapachelogger: add this to end of debian/rules16:01
a|wen        chmod -x $(CURDIR)/debian/kontrolpack/usr/share/pixmaps/kontrolpack.png16:01
* apachelogger wants note that this will be deprecate in the next version though16:04
* apachelogger keeps those launchpad mugshots changing16:07
apacheloggerI am wondering16:09
apacheloggera|wen: why is the desktop file not +x?16:09
a|wenapachelogger: dh_fixperms removes +x from .desktop files and README (and some other categories)16:12
apacheloggerwhy not images?16:13
a|wengood question ... it only fixes permissions on files in some pre-defined locations where it can be sure of the state it seems16:14
apacheloggera image filer never needs to be executable16:14
apacheloggerbug IMHO16:14
a|wenwould make sense to have it look in /usr/share/pixmaps+icons as well16:16
apacheloggera|wen: uploaded16:21
JontheEchidnanew strigi out16:30
* JontheEchidna updates packages16:31
* apachelogger thinks he pissed off svn.debian with too many wrong passwords :S16:31
OdyXapachelogger: fail2ban certainly... svn.debian.org pissed you off :-)16:32
apacheloggernot like I would care :P16:32
a|wenapachelogger: advocate added16:44
apacheloggera|wen: thx16:44
ghostcube:)  hi17:29
* a|wen waves to ghostcube17:29
ghostcubei installed bespin17:30
ghostcubehehe nice thing17:30
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macoer guys....how do you get arora to use plugins? i installed swfdec and swfdec-mozilla and restarted arora, but it doesnt auto-detect the plugin19:47
JontheEchidnaI guess you're hitting bug 40738420:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 407384 in arora "flashplugin (swfdec or gnash) on arora" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40738420:03
macowhen i first said that, apt had error'd out. now its definitely installed, and it shows a lego instead of playing the video20:04
macomhmmm thatd be it20:04
macodoesnt work in konq either though20:04
JontheEchidnaooh, new webkitkde commits...20:13
* a|wen wonders what his best shot is in karmic of connecting to encrypted wireless...20:52
ScottKseele: Pong20:56
* ScottK notes I have a teenager doing facebook usability testing with arora on a netbook. She has no idea it's research. She's just thrilled to get to facebook.21:00
a|wencool :)21:00
* Quintasan is back21:00
* a|wen is testing out KNE on his eee21:02
a|wenlooks good :) apart from network connectivity21:03
vorianis that new?21:03
ScottKThat's pretty much known to be crap at this point.21:03
ScottKvorian: Kubuntu Netbook Edition21:03
* vorian is quite slow21:04
a|wenneed to use it next week ... so have to find some minimal working connectivity or i have to reinstall :(21:04
ScottKHow's the move preps going?21:04
ScottKa|wen: What king of connectivity do you need?21:04
a|wenScottK: wireless wpa21:05
ScottKa|wen: I've been using ifup/ifdown for now.21:05
a|wenthen it is bad ... not even knetworkmanager work anymore21:06
ScottKIt's easy enough to set up.21:09
ScottKI didn't try knetworkmanager, but I'm not suprised as NetworkManager changed some password handling stuff.21:09
ScottKa|wen: Did you try the PPA versions up for testing?21:09
a|wenlooked at the test-page for the PPA version ... and they couldn't make it work21:11
a|wenbut karmic is blazing fast at booting!21:13
vorianexcept when it's not21:14
ScottKOf course.21:14
ScottKMy netbook is booting with KMS now though.21:14
a|wenboots fine here ... and with ext4 on the root-drive it is pretty fast21:15
a|wenuh, the network-plasmoid from jaunty-updates works ... except that there is no visual feedback on connecting21:18
neversfeldea|wen: here too, I am using it with apt-pinning for a while now21:18
a|wenlooks like we were lucky with that update :P21:19
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* shtylman can't wait for his always innovating touch book to arrive!!21:55
a|wenshtylman: exciting ... do you have a link to a device like that22:06
shtylmana|wen: http://alwaysinnovating.com/home/index.htm22:07
a|wenuhh ... me want :)22:08
ScottK+1 for arora on facebook.22:12
* JontheEchidna was quite surprised when he found out that QtWebKit doesn't render the <s> tag (filed a bug against QtWebKit @ webkit.org)22:14
jussi01Ive had my eye on that device for sometime22:15
* a|wen has never heard about the <s> tag22:15
* shtylman was not aware you could abbreviate the <strike> tag like that... cool22:16
JontheEchidnabugzilla uses it to strike through links of resolved bugs, quite handy22:16
JontheEchidnabut both <s> and <strike> are broken in arora, rekonq, et al :(22:17
a|wenoh ... that is big thing missing22:19
shtylmanam I the only one that find that hilarious?22:22
* JontheEchidna is quite happy with the results of his afternoon tweaking: http://imagebin.ca/view/SMaROCHo.html22:41
JontheEchidnaCrystal window decoration, QtCurve w/ Aqua presets, Blue Altra Dot wallpaper, and the default Kubuntu color scheme22:43
jussi01Im sorry, I still think thats gross... but default ones always seem to be. problem is, that one seems very kde3.22:46
JontheEchidnaI'd be happier if the gradient on the windeco wasn't so harsh23:01
JontheEchidnakde svn 100604223:04
ubottuhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1006042&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1006042 | Read/write all OpenVPN settings I could find, not just the ones needed for my local VPN. Please test! If there is a problem, ...23:04
JontheEchidna^Would be good for VPN testing, seems to be a major commit23:05
macoi'm with jussi0123:46
macothat theme makes me glad my window manager doesn't have window decorations. all i'm sayin'23:47

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