[00:05] <davmor2> shtylman: :) so hopefully tuesday then :)  I'll let you know :)
[00:06] <davmor2> anyway bed
[00:06] <seele> shtylman: you changes the labels so they were first letter caps?
[00:06] <shtylman> seele: yep...
[00:06]  * seele hugs shtylman 
[00:07] <seele> awesome
[00:07] <shtylman> :)
[00:10] <Riddell> seele: seen the slideshow?
[00:10] <seele> Riddell: hmm.. "what slideshow", so no :)
[00:11] <shtylman> oh yea...we need a set of "kubuntu" related slides versus the "ubuntu" ones they currently have
[00:13] <seele> Riddell: http://doodle.com/ay88g3hw8cumiv2n
[00:13] <seele> nixternal: ^^\
[00:13] <seele> shtylman: ^^ too
[00:13]  * seele looks to see who else hasnt responded
[00:14] <seele> apachelogger: ^^^^^
[00:19] <Dario_Andres> Does anyone know why they are KDE4.3 packages but ubuntu still provides qt4.5.0 (when qt4.5.2 has fixed a lot of bugs) ?
[00:21] <Dario_Andres> at bugs.kde.org we are getting several crash reports about qt4.5.0 related bugs... on (k)ubuntu and KDE4.3.x packages
[00:22] <Riddell> Dario_Andres: ubuntu doesn't generally do updates to whole new versions.  if there are testable patches for known bugs those can be put in an update
[00:22] <Riddell> (kubuntu provides backports of new KDE versions but that's separate)
[00:23] <Dario_Andres> mmh.. I see..
[00:23] <Dario_Andres> Riddell: and can't this backport repos which provide new KDE version provide this updated Qt packages too ? or it can't be done because it could affect another apps ?
[00:24] <Riddell> it could, but compiling and testing Qt is many hours work
[00:26] <Dario_Andres> yes, I know ... :-\
[00:26] <Dario_Andres> err..
[00:26] <Dario_Andres> do you know if someone else packages Qt4 out there ? some other ppa ?
[00:28] <a|wen> Dario_Andres: 4.5.1 is in the experimental ppa ... doesn't look like 4.5.2 is anywhere
[00:29] <Dario_Andres> a|wen: ok, thanks! thanks Riddell too :)
[00:31] <a|wen> could update that one ... most of the time is compile time, so can do other stuff in the meantime
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> we should just upload 4.5.2 to the 4.3 repo
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> hmm, but eventually when we move the packages over to official backports...
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> I think Qt 4.5.2 would be ready for jaunty-backports. There aren't any know regressions and it does have a lot of bugfixes
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> I could do the work if this is generally agreed upon
[00:35] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: agreed ... but testing it out in the PPA would be a good idea then
[00:35] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: add it to the meeting agenda?
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> I most probably won't be able to attend
[00:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: but you can't take the karmic packaging, that has the phonon changes
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Qt 4.5.1 is in kubuntu-experimental. It'd probably just require a tarball change, and maybe sync the qtcopy patches
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> but all the backport work is done
[00:40] <Dario_Andres> a little sidenote before leaving
[00:40] <Dario_Andres> qt-copy on svn is not being updated anymore
[00:40] <Dario_Andres> KDE is now using kde-qt.git on gitorius
[00:40] <Dario_Andres> so may be you need to change the way of fetching the qt-copy patches.. (may be it is documented somewhere)
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's good to know. I hadn't heard about that
[00:42] <shtylman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/242825/
[00:42] <shtylman> that crashes on exit
[00:42] <shtylman> straight up segfault...no python messages
[00:42] <shtylman> minimal test case I can produce
[00:43] <Dario_Andres> JontheEchidna: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/qt-copy/README.qt-copy?revision=987575&view=markup , http://qt.gitorious.org/+kde-developers/qt/kde-qt/blobs/4.5.2-patched/README.kde-qt
[00:46] <Riddell> Sime_: ^^
[00:57] <mcasadevall> evening all
[00:57] <Riddell> shtylman: it's something to do with pyKDE needing a KMainWindow
[00:58] <Riddell> it's a longstanding bug
[00:58]  * mcasadevall just had a castrophic HDD failure
[00:58] <Riddell> evening mcasadevall
[00:58] <Riddell> :(
[00:58] <mcasadevall> Riddell: have you come to Ireland yet?
[00:58] <Riddell> mcasadevall: no, not until late tomorrow
[00:58] <mcasadevall> Riddell: can you burn a Kubuntu/amd64 alternate CD, and bring it with you?
[00:58] <mcasadevall> so I can reinstall?
[00:58]  * mcasadevall has an Kubuntu/i386 liveCD which I'm running off of right now
[00:59] <mcasadevall> Its forunate I brought spare SATA HDD drives, and a spare laptop just incase this sorta thing might happen
[00:59] <Riddell> mcasadevall: karmic alpha 3?
[01:00] <mcasadevall> Riddell: jaunty is perferable actually
[01:00] <mcasadevall> (I have a jaunty 9.04 server cd I could use though ..)
[01:00]  * mcasadevall thinks
[01:01] <shtylman> Riddell: interesting...
[01:01] <shtylman> rather unfortunate...
[01:01] <mcasadevall> Needless to say, I'm pissed
[01:02] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: one huge qt-copy patch? looks like that is the easiest way to do it without it taking hours to get them
[01:03] <JontheEchidna> eh, it's only missing a few. shouldn't be too hard to even just copy them over from karmic's packagde
[01:04] <Riddell> shtylman: you can use pyqt fine
[01:05] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: oh, true ... but in the future it looks to be the only way
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> yeah :(
[01:09] <shtylman> Riddell: well...yes... indeed I can... but when using kde specific things i need pyKDE :)
[01:10]  * shtylman finally made progress with the KCategorizedView
[01:10] <Riddell> shtylman: poke _Sime  :)
[01:10] <shtylman> hehe
[01:11] <Riddell> mcasadevall: jaunty alternate amd64 CD is in my laptop CD drive
[01:12] <mcasadevall> Riddell: I love you :-)
[01:12] <mcasadevall> I'm not sure if this is an HDD failure or something else, but I feel now is a good time to backup
[02:13] <shtylman> so... KIcon is failing for me...
[02:13] <shtylman> do I need to initialize something before I use it?
[02:13] <shtylman> besides KApplication...
[02:14] <shtylman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/243011/
[02:14] <shtylman> that does NOT load the printer icon
[02:14] <shtylman> if I change it to a QIcon and specify an icon in my local directories it works...
[02:14] <shtylman> what gives?? :)
[02:37] <seele> ScottK: ping
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> shtylman: QVariant needs a pixmap or something returned, KIcon("printer").pixmap(64,64) works
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> KIconLoader would probably be better, so you don't have to hardcode the pixmap size
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> oh, nevermind
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> yeah, might have to use KIconLoader, un-nevermind
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> :P
[02:43] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: really? I looked at other sample code from SystemSettings and it puts a KIcon right into QVariant...
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> just my guess actually
[02:43] <shtylman> but indeed... the .pixmap(64,64) worked
[02:43] <shtylman> thanks :)
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> yw
[02:44]  * JontheEchidna wonders how hard it would be to use a K class in a Qt project using the qmake build system
[02:45] <shtylman> why would would someone do such a thing!?
[02:45] <shtylman> cmake is just...so ... wonderful...
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> giving icons to arora was the plan
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> it's just so... bare
[02:45] <shtylman> I think it would be easier to convert them to cmake...
[02:46] <shtylman> heh
[02:46]  * shtylman wonders why qt doesn't just adopt cmake...
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> dunno, cmake seems a natural fit to me
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> maybe it has something to do with their translation setup
[02:47] <shtylman> indeed
[02:47] <shtylman> well
[02:47] <shtylman> I mean...they could add the cmake support
[02:47] <shtylman> I can't imagine it would be that bad
[02:47] <shtylman> cmake is just so much more powerful
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> the standard icons that Qt has to choose from is somewhat... lacking: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qstyle.html#StandardPixmap-enum
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> in theory we could get oxygen icons out of all of those, but the selection is limited
[03:03] <shtylman> hmm..
[03:03] <shtylman> so..internalPointer() on a QModelIndex ... appears to .. not work...
[03:03] <shtylman> causes a segfauly in python
[03:03] <shtylman> *segfault...
[03:06] <shtylman> how the hell am I supposed to get my internal data out!! :)
[03:07] <shtylman> it has been locked away...in a sacred place...:(
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> canHazInternalDatazPlox()
[03:07] <JontheEchidna> ^returns a QLolCat
[03:08] <shtylman> ... wow...
[03:08] <shtylman> I am lost for words...
[03:08] <shtylman> oh man! : "Fatal Python error: deletion of interned string failed"
[03:08] <shtylman> I don't even know what that means...
[03:09] <JontheEchidna> http://mintyferret.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/lolcat7.gif
[03:09] <shtylman> ... thank you
[03:10] <JontheEchidna> ok, I'm done
[03:11] <shtylman> heh
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> the good news is that I have found a way to get more icons in the menus that I'll be able to submit to arora (since it follows the pattern that they are using for the toolbar buttons)
[03:15] <JontheEchidna> now I'll compile and hope that I see oxygen icons
[03:16] <JontheEchidna> the bad news is that we're still limited in what icons we can use :(
[03:20] <shtylman> :/ ... well...some is better than nothing...
[03:28] <shtylman> I cannot for the life of me figure out how to store and retrieve my own data in each model index
[03:28] <shtylman> everything I have tried has failed... :(
[03:32] <shtylman> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/243096/
[03:32] <shtylman> what the dickens!!
[03:32] <shtylman> that should totally work!! right??
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> I've never even attempted model/view :(
[03:33] <shtylman> oh...
[03:33] <JontheEchidna> I've not had a need yet, plus it looks scary
[03:33] <shtylman> dude...its scary stuff
[03:33] <shtylman> a web of doom if you will
[03:33] <shtylman> it is scary...
[03:34] <shtylman> the problem is that is is very very generic
[03:34] <shtylman> and thus you have to basically build from the lowest level up and that can get tricky
[03:34] <shtylman> I have done it in c++ ... but I have no idea why this python stuff doesn't work ...
[03:34] <shtylman> who know.. :/
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> oh what I would give to get KIcon working in arora...
[04:39] <JontheEchidna> it'd probably be easier to just port it to kde
[04:43] <JontheEchidna> looks like rekonq is planning another release in two weeks
[06:26] <rgreening> hmm.. flash doesn't seem to be working with youtube anymore under kubuntu (konq or arora)
[08:27] <Mamarok> why is kdesudo an optional package? It is mandatory for sudo rights in a gui, like systemsettings or such
[10:44]  * a|wen is running kde4.2.4 and qt4.5.2 on jaunty ... looks to run fine
[10:45] <a|wen> what was the regressions we had with 4.2.4 ... could be fun seeing if any of them has vanished with the new qt
[11:05] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: I've uploaded qt4.5.2 for jaunty to the experimental PPA ... now we just need to find out if we want it in any of the others
[12:25] <apachelogger> a|wen: ping
[12:25] <a|wen> apachelogger: pong
[12:25] <apachelogger> a|wen: got time to revu a package?
[12:26] <a|wen> apachelogger: sure, just give me a link
[12:27] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kontrolpack
[12:28] <a|wen> i'll take a look
[12:28] <apachelogger> kthx :)
[12:37] <a|wen> apachelogger: can haz watch file? :)
[12:37] <apachelogger> a|wen: doesn't work
[12:37] <apachelogger> for some reason it fails to find the tar
[12:37] <apachelogger> though upstream did weird things that since I had him fix some stuff
[12:38] <apachelogger> anyway, simply put: b0rked right now, ought to follow soonish :)
[12:38]  * apachelogger is wondering why launchpad can't resize pics to fit the mugshot requirements
[12:39] <apachelogger> I mean, that is pretty simple graphics editing, even with python one should be able to do this in like 3 lines of code :P
[12:46] <a|wen> apachelogger: do they have tar.gz files? ... i can only find zip source archives from upstream
[12:49] <a|wen> apachelogger: found it ... http://sf.net/kontrolpack/KontrolPack-(.+)_Linux-2\.6\.tar\.gz ?
[12:51] <apachelogger> a|wen: more likely it is a prebuilt binary
[12:51] <apachelogger> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/kontrolpack/KontrolPack-2.0.2.tar.gz
[12:51] <apachelogger> that is the URL I got
[12:51] <apachelogger> but as mentioned uscan fails to find that
[12:51] <apachelogger> maybe it is hidden or something
[13:10] <a|wen> apachelogger: it is located in a subfolder, thats why it fails ... http://sf.net/kontrolpack/kontrolpack_src/KontrolPack-(.+)-src/KontrolPack-(.+)\.tar\.gz
[13:23] <a|wen> apachelogger: apart from the watch-file it looks good ... lintian wants a man-page; but dunno how much point there is in that, binary doesn't even accept "--help"
[13:36] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: The Qt 4.5.1 regression we had with KDE 4.2 was that RSSNow was totally busted. Should be fixed in KDE 4.3
[13:37] <JontheEchidna> which is why if that's still an issue, we should only push 4.5.2 to jaunty-backports right before we upload 4.3 to jaunty-backports
[13:39] <apachelogger> a|wen: no manpage :P
[13:39] <apachelogger> will add watchfile though
[13:41] <a|wen> JontheEchidna: how busted?
[13:41] <a|wen> or busted how?
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: everything was invisible inside the appelt
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> *applet
[13:43] <a|wen> i see ... still an issue in qt 4.5.2 + kde 4.2.4
[13:45] <a|wen> i should upgrade to 4.3.0 soonish and test
[13:46] <apachelogger> hm
[13:46]  * apachelogger thinks that kontrolpacks desktop file is kinda flawed
[13:46] <apachelogger> functionallitywise
[13:47] <a|wen> apachelogger: are you sure you install the desktop file?
[13:47] <apachelogger> nope
[13:48] <apachelogger> my todo sez I don't because it is flawed
[13:48] <apachelogger> I'll use su-to-root for the time being and get upstream to provide one file for kde and one for gnome
[13:48] <apachelogger> or get su-to-root out of the menu package
[13:48] <apachelogger> that is really a PITA
[13:50] <a|wen> patch it to something that at least works...
[13:51] <apachelogger> well, I need to patch for su-to-root anyway
[13:51] <apachelogger> but since the package ought to provide desktop files for both kdesu and gksu I'd also need to do build magic in order to divert a gnome desktop file from the main one
[13:52] <a|wen> we surely needs a common interface for that
[13:52] <apachelogger> su-to-root would be that
[13:53] <apachelogger> AFAIK it can use about any rootingtool out there
[13:53] <apachelogger> that includes both those for CLI and GUI
[13:53] <a|wen> but does it currently work?
[13:53] <apachelogger> aye
[13:54] <apachelogger> su-to-root -X -c systemsettings
[13:54] <a|wen> then i'd use that one
[13:54] <apachelogger> a|wen: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kontrolpack
[13:55] <apachelogger> well, it is in menu
[13:55] <a|wen> hmm... network plasmoid seems kinda broken in karmic :/
[13:55] <apachelogger> and menu does a lot more than su-to-root (it's not even in the default seeds)
[13:57]  * apachelogger goes swimming
[14:41] <shadeslayer> anyone here who can give me some advice on some compilation errors i get in ktorrent?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/m10f496e3
[14:44] <shadeslayer> im probably missing some dev packages....
[14:49] <shadeslayer> never mind... :P
[14:51] <a|wen> apachelogger: the .png file is installed with executable bit set (+x)
[15:07] <apachelogger> a|wen: is that a problem?
[15:08] <a|wen> apachelogger: eh... it shouldn't be executable
[15:08] <apachelogger> a|wen: yeah, but is it a problem :P
[15:09] <a|wen> isn't it an easy fix :P
[15:09] <apachelogger> nope
[15:09] <apachelogger> dh_install can't do that
[15:09] <apachelogger> I'd rather have upstream fix that in the tarball as a whole, since every file in the tar is +x :P
[15:09] <apachelogger> he didn't fix that complaint in his last retaring
[15:10] <a|wen> i agree on getting upstream to fix it!
[15:19] <OdyX> apachelogger: or do a repack yourself (and add ~ubuntu or whatever before -1)
[15:19] <apachelogger> also an option
[15:21] <OdyX> apachelogger: can be faster...
[16:01] <a|wen> apachelogger: add this to end of debian/rules
[16:01] <a|wen> binary-install/kontrolpack::
[16:01] <a|wen>         chmod -x $(CURDIR)/debian/kontrolpack/usr/share/pixmaps/kontrolpack.png
[16:03] <apachelogger> k
[16:04]  * apachelogger wants note that this will be deprecate in the next version though
[16:07]  * apachelogger keeps those launchpad mugshots changing
[16:09] <apachelogger> hm
[16:09] <apachelogger> I am wondering
[16:09] <apachelogger> a|wen: why is the desktop file not +x?
[16:12] <a|wen> apachelogger: dh_fixperms removes +x from .desktop files and README (and some other categories)
[16:13] <apachelogger> why not images?
[16:14] <a|wen> good question ... it only fixes permissions on files in some pre-defined locations where it can be sure of the state it seems
[16:14] <apachelogger> a image filer never needs to be executable
[16:14] <apachelogger> bug IMHO
[16:16] <a|wen> would make sense to have it look in /usr/share/pixmaps+icons as well
[16:21] <apachelogger> a|wen: uploaded
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> new strigi out
[16:31]  * JontheEchidna updates packages
[16:31]  * apachelogger thinks he pissed off svn.debian with too many wrong passwords :S
[16:32] <OdyX> apachelogger: fail2ban certainly... svn.debian.org pissed you off :-)
[16:32] <apachelogger> not like I would care :P
[16:44] <a|wen> apachelogger: advocate added
[16:44] <apachelogger> a|wen: thx
[17:29] <ghostcube> :)  hi
[17:29]  * a|wen waves to ghostcube
[17:29] <ghostcube> :)
[17:30] <ghostcube> i installed bespin
[17:30] <ghostcube> hehe nice thing
[19:47] <maco> er guys....how do you get arora to use plugins? i installed swfdec and swfdec-mozilla and restarted arora, but it doesnt auto-detect the plugin
[20:03] <JontheEchidna> I guess you're hitting bug 407384
[20:04] <maco> when i first said that, apt had error'd out. now its definitely installed, and it shows a lego instead of playing the video
[20:04] <maco> mhmmm thatd be it
[20:04] <maco> doesnt work in konq either though
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> ooh, new webkitkde commits...
[20:52]  * a|wen wonders what his best shot is in karmic of connecting to encrypted wireless...
[20:56] <ScottK> seele: Pong
[21:00]  * ScottK notes I have a teenager doing facebook usability testing with arora on a netbook.  She has no idea it's research.  She's just thrilled to get to facebook.
[21:00] <a|wen> cool :)
[21:00]  * Quintasan is back
[21:02]  * a|wen is testing out KNE on his eee
[21:03] <a|wen> looks good :) apart from network connectivity
[21:03] <vorian> is that new?
[21:03] <ScottK> That's pretty much known to be crap at this point.
[21:03] <vorian> kne
[21:03] <ScottK> vorian: Kubuntu Netbook Edition
[21:03] <vorian> haa
[21:04]  * vorian is quite slow
[21:04] <a|wen> need to use it next week ... so have to find some minimal working connectivity or i have to reinstall :(
[21:04] <ScottK> How's the move preps going?
[21:04] <ScottK> a|wen: What king of connectivity do you need?
[21:04] <ScottK> king/kind
[21:05] <a|wen> ScottK: wireless wpa
[21:05] <ScottK> a|wen: I've been using ifup/ifdown for now.
[21:06] <a|wen> then it is bad ... not even knetworkmanager work anymore
[21:09] <ScottK> It's easy enough to set up.
[21:09] <ScottK> I didn't try knetworkmanager, but I'm not suprised as NetworkManager changed some password handling stuff.
[21:09] <ScottK> a|wen: Did you try the PPA versions up for testing?
[21:11] <a|wen> looked at the test-page for the PPA version ... and they couldn't make it work
[21:13] <a|wen> but karmic is blazing fast at booting!
[21:14] <vorian> except when it's not
[21:14] <ScottK> Of course.
[21:14] <ScottK> My netbook is booting with KMS now though.
[21:15] <a|wen> boots fine here ... and with ext4 on the root-drive it is pretty fast
[21:18] <a|wen> uh, the network-plasmoid from jaunty-updates works ... except that there is no visual feedback on connecting
[21:18] <neversfelde> a|wen: here too, I am using it with apt-pinning for a while now
[21:19] <a|wen> looks like we were lucky with that update :P
[21:55]  * shtylman can't wait for his always innovating touch book to arrive!!
[22:06] <a|wen> shtylman: exciting ... do you have a link to a device like that
[22:07] <shtylman> a|wen: http://alwaysinnovating.com/home/index.htm
[22:08] <a|wen> uhh ... me want :)
[22:12] <ScottK> +1 for arora on facebook.
[22:14]  * JontheEchidna was quite surprised when he found out that QtWebKit doesn't render the <s> tag (filed a bug against QtWebKit @ webkit.org)
[22:15] <jussi01> Ive had my eye on that device for sometime
[22:15]  * a|wen has never heard about the <s> tag
[22:16]  * shtylman was not aware you could abbreviate the <strike> tag like that... cool
[22:16] <a|wen> ahh
[22:16] <JontheEchidna> bugzilla uses it to strike through links of resolved bugs, quite handy
[22:17] <JontheEchidna> but both <s> and <strike> are broken in arora, rekonq, et al :(
[22:19] <a|wen> oh ... that is big thing missing
[22:22] <shtylman> http://www.osnews.com/story/21935/GNOME_To_Drop_Icons_in_Buttons_Menus
[22:22] <shtylman> am I the only one that find that hilarious?
[22:22] <shtylman> *finds
[22:28] <JontheEchidna> heh
[22:41]  * JontheEchidna is quite happy with the results of his afternoon tweaking: http://imagebin.ca/view/SMaROCHo.html
[22:43] <JontheEchidna> Crystal window decoration, QtCurve w/ Aqua presets, Blue Altra Dot wallpaper, and the default Kubuntu color scheme
[22:46] <jussi01> Im sorry, I still think thats gross... but default ones always seem to be. problem is, that one seems very kde3.
[23:01] <JontheEchidna> I'd be happier if the gradient on the windeco wasn't so harsh
[23:04] <JontheEchidna> kde svn 1006042
[23:05] <JontheEchidna> ^Would be good for VPN testing, seems to be a major commit
[23:46] <maco> i'm with jussi01
[23:47] <maco> that theme makes me glad my window manager doesn't have window decorations. all i'm sayin'