=== asac_ is now known as asac [00:05] shtylman: :) so hopefully tuesday then :) I'll let you know :) [00:06] anyway bed [00:06] shtylman: you changes the labels so they were first letter caps? [00:06] seele: yep... [00:06] * seele hugs shtylman [00:07] awesome [00:07] :) [00:10] seele: seen the slideshow? [00:10] Riddell: hmm.. "what slideshow", so no :) [00:11] oh yea...we need a set of "kubuntu" related slides versus the "ubuntu" ones they currently have [00:13] Riddell: http://doodle.com/ay88g3hw8cumiv2n [00:13] nixternal: ^^\ [00:13] shtylman: ^^ too [00:13] * seele looks to see who else hasnt responded [00:14] apachelogger: ^^^^^ [00:19] Does anyone know why they are KDE4.3 packages but ubuntu still provides qt4.5.0 (when qt4.5.2 has fixed a lot of bugs) ? [00:21] at bugs.kde.org we are getting several crash reports about qt4.5.0 related bugs... on (k)ubuntu and KDE4.3.x packages [00:22] Dario_Andres: ubuntu doesn't generally do updates to whole new versions. if there are testable patches for known bugs those can be put in an update [00:22] (kubuntu provides backports of new KDE versions but that's separate) [00:23] mmh.. I see.. [00:23] Riddell: and can't this backport repos which provide new KDE version provide this updated Qt packages too ? or it can't be done because it could affect another apps ? [00:24] it could, but compiling and testing Qt is many hours work === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu Translations Love Day | Alpha-3 released | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | We need paperKuts! https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts | Meeting http://doodle.com/ay88g3hw8cumiv2n [00:26] yes, I know ... :-\ [00:26] err.. [00:26] do you know if someone else packages Qt4 out there ? some other ppa ? [00:28] Dario_Andres: 4.5.1 is in the experimental ppa ... doesn't look like 4.5.2 is anywhere [00:29] a|wen: ok, thanks! thanks Riddell too :) [00:31] could update that one ... most of the time is compile time, so can do other stuff in the meantime [00:32] we should just upload 4.5.2 to the 4.3 repo [00:33] hmm, but eventually when we move the packages over to official backports... [00:34] I think Qt 4.5.2 would be ready for jaunty-backports. There aren't any know regressions and it does have a lot of bugfixes [00:35] I could do the work if this is generally agreed upon [00:35] JontheEchidna: agreed ... but testing it out in the PPA would be a good idea then [00:35] JontheEchidna: add it to the meeting agenda? [00:35] I most probably won't be able to attend [00:36] JontheEchidna: but you can't take the karmic packaging, that has the phonon changes [00:37] Riddell: Qt 4.5.1 is in kubuntu-experimental. It'd probably just require a tarball change, and maybe sync the qtcopy patches [00:38] but all the backport work is done [00:40] a little sidenote before leaving [00:40] qt-copy on svn is not being updated anymore [00:40] KDE is now using kde-qt.git on gitorius [00:40] so may be you need to change the way of fetching the qt-copy patches.. (may be it is documented somewhere) [00:41] oh, that's good to know. I hadn't heard about that [00:42] http://paste.ubuntu.com/242825/ [00:42] that crashes on exit [00:42] straight up segfault...no python messages [00:42] minimal test case I can produce [00:43] JontheEchidna: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/qt-copy/README.qt-copy?revision=987575&view=markup , http://qt.gitorious.org/+kde-developers/qt/kde-qt/blobs/4.5.2-patched/README.kde-qt [00:46] Sime_: ^^ [00:57] evening all [00:57] shtylman: it's something to do with pyKDE needing a KMainWindow [00:58] it's a longstanding bug [00:58] * mcasadevall just had a castrophic HDD failure [00:58] evening mcasadevall [00:58] :( [00:58] Riddell: have you come to Ireland yet? [00:58] mcasadevall: no, not until late tomorrow [00:58] Riddell: can you burn a Kubuntu/amd64 alternate CD, and bring it with you? [00:58] so I can reinstall? [00:58] * mcasadevall has an Kubuntu/i386 liveCD which I'm running off of right now [00:59] Its forunate I brought spare SATA HDD drives, and a spare laptop just incase this sorta thing might happen [00:59] mcasadevall: karmic alpha 3? [01:00] Riddell: jaunty is perferable actually [01:00] (I have a jaunty 9.04 server cd I could use though ..) [01:00] * mcasadevall thinks [01:01] Riddell: interesting... [01:01] rather unfortunate... [01:01] Needless to say, I'm pissed [01:02] JontheEchidna: one huge qt-copy patch? looks like that is the easiest way to do it without it taking hours to get them [01:03] eh, it's only missing a few. shouldn't be too hard to even just copy them over from karmic's packagde [01:04] shtylman: you can use pyqt fine [01:05] JontheEchidna: oh, true ... but in the future it looks to be the only way [01:06] yeah :( [01:09] Riddell: well...yes... indeed I can... but when using kde specific things i need pyKDE :) [01:10] * shtylman finally made progress with the KCategorizedView [01:10] shtylman: poke _Sime :) [01:10] hehe [01:11] mcasadevall: jaunty alternate amd64 CD is in my laptop CD drive [01:12] Riddell: I love you :-) [01:12] I'm not sure if this is an HDD failure or something else, but I feel now is a good time to backup [02:13] so... KIcon is failing for me... [02:13] do I need to initialize something before I use it? [02:13] besides KApplication... [02:14] http://paste.ubuntu.com/243011/ [02:14] that does NOT load the printer icon [02:14] if I change it to a QIcon and specify an icon in my local directories it works... [02:14] what gives?? :) === PingJocky_ is now known as PingJocky [02:37] ScottK: ping [02:39] shtylman: QVariant needs a pixmap or something returned, KIcon("printer").pixmap(64,64) works [02:39] KIconLoader would probably be better, so you don't have to hardcode the pixmap size [02:40] oh, nevermind [02:40] yeah, might have to use KIconLoader, un-nevermind [02:41] :P [02:43] JontheEchidna: really? I looked at other sample code from SystemSettings and it puts a KIcon right into QVariant... [02:43] just my guess actually [02:43] but indeed... the .pixmap(64,64) worked [02:43] thanks :) [02:44] yw [02:44] * JontheEchidna wonders how hard it would be to use a K class in a Qt project using the qmake build system [02:45] why would would someone do such a thing!? [02:45] cmake is just...so ... wonderful... [02:45] giving icons to arora was the plan [02:45] it's just so... bare [02:45] I think it would be easier to convert them to cmake... [02:46] heh [02:46] * shtylman wonders why qt doesn't just adopt cmake... [02:46] dunno, cmake seems a natural fit to me [02:47] maybe it has something to do with their translation setup [02:47] indeed [02:47] well [02:47] I mean...they could add the cmake support [02:47] I can't imagine it would be that bad [02:47] cmake is just so much more powerful === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [03:01] the standard icons that Qt has to choose from is somewhat... lacking: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.5/qstyle.html#StandardPixmap-enum [03:01] in theory we could get oxygen icons out of all of those, but the selection is limited [03:03] hmm.. [03:03] so..internalPointer() on a QModelIndex ... appears to .. not work... [03:03] causes a segfauly in python [03:03] *segfault... [03:06] how the hell am I supposed to get my internal data out!! :) [03:07] it has been locked away...in a sacred place...:( [03:07] canHazInternalDatazPlox() [03:07] ^returns a QLolCat [03:08] ... wow... [03:08] I am lost for words... [03:08] oh man! : "Fatal Python error: deletion of interned string failed" [03:08] I don't even know what that means... [03:09] http://mintyferret.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/lolcat7.gif [03:09] ... thank you [03:10] ok, I'm done [03:11] heh [03:15] the good news is that I have found a way to get more icons in the menus that I'll be able to submit to arora (since it follows the pattern that they are using for the toolbar buttons) [03:15] now I'll compile and hope that I see oxygen icons [03:16] the bad news is that we're still limited in what icons we can use :( [03:20] :/ ... well...some is better than nothing... [03:28] I cannot for the life of me figure out how to store and retrieve my own data in each model index [03:28] everything I have tried has failed... :( [03:32] JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/243096/ [03:32] what the dickens!! [03:32] that should totally work!! right?? [03:33] I've never even attempted model/view :( [03:33] oh... [03:33] I've not had a need yet, plus it looks scary [03:33] dude...its scary stuff [03:33] a web of doom if you will [03:33] it is scary... [03:34] the problem is that is is very very generic [03:34] and thus you have to basically build from the lowest level up and that can get tricky [03:34] I have done it in c++ ... but I have no idea why this python stuff doesn't work ... [03:34] who know.. :/ [04:39] oh what I would give to get KIcon working in arora... [04:39] it'd probably be easier to just port it to kde [04:43] looks like rekonq is planning another release in two weeks [06:26] hmm.. flash doesn't seem to be working with youtube anymore under kubuntu (konq or arora) [08:27] why is kdesudo an optional package? It is mandatory for sudo rights in a gui, like systemsettings or such === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === ELITE_x_ is now known as ELITE_x [10:44] * a|wen is running kde4.2.4 and qt4.5.2 on jaunty ... looks to run fine [10:45] what was the regressions we had with 4.2.4 ... could be fun seeing if any of them has vanished with the new qt [11:05] JontheEchidna: I've uploaded qt4.5.2 for jaunty to the experimental PPA ... now we just need to find out if we want it in any of the others === SiNiESTrO is now known as Guest83081 === SiNiESTr0 is now known as SiNiESTrO [12:25] a|wen: ping [12:25] apachelogger: pong [12:25] a|wen: got time to revu a package? [12:26] apachelogger: sure, just give me a link [12:27] a|wen: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kontrolpack [12:28] i'll take a look [12:28] kthx :) [12:37] apachelogger: can haz watch file? :) [12:37] a|wen: doesn't work [12:37] for some reason it fails to find the tar [12:37] though upstream did weird things that since I had him fix some stuff [12:38] anyway, simply put: b0rked right now, ought to follow soonish :) [12:38] * apachelogger is wondering why launchpad can't resize pics to fit the mugshot requirements [12:39] I mean, that is pretty simple graphics editing, even with python one should be able to do this in like 3 lines of code :P [12:46] apachelogger: do they have tar.gz files? ... i can only find zip source archives from upstream [12:49] apachelogger: found it ... http://sf.net/kontrolpack/KontrolPack-(.+)_Linux-2\.6\.tar\.gz ? [12:51] a|wen: more likely it is a prebuilt binary [12:51] http://downloads.sourceforge.net/kontrolpack/KontrolPack-2.0.2.tar.gz [12:51] that is the URL I got [12:51] but as mentioned uscan fails to find that [12:51] maybe it is hidden or something [13:10] apachelogger: it is located in a subfolder, thats why it fails ... http://sf.net/kontrolpack/kontrolpack_src/KontrolPack-(.+)-src/KontrolPack-(.+)\.tar\.gz [13:23] apachelogger: apart from the watch-file it looks good ... lintian wants a man-page; but dunno how much point there is in that, binary doesn't even accept "--help" [13:36] a|wen: The Qt 4.5.1 regression we had with KDE 4.2 was that RSSNow was totally busted. Should be fixed in KDE 4.3 [13:37] which is why if that's still an issue, we should only push 4.5.2 to jaunty-backports right before we upload 4.3 to jaunty-backports [13:39] a|wen: no manpage :P [13:39] will add watchfile though [13:41] JontheEchidna: how busted? [13:41] or busted how? [13:42] a|wen: everything was invisible inside the appelt [13:42] *applet [13:43] i see ... still an issue in qt 4.5.2 + kde 4.2.4 [13:45] i should upgrade to 4.3.0 soonish and test [13:46] hm [13:46] * apachelogger thinks that kontrolpacks desktop file is kinda flawed [13:46] functionallitywise [13:47] apachelogger: are you sure you install the desktop file? [13:47] nope [13:48] my todo sez I don't because it is flawed [13:48] I'll use su-to-root for the time being and get upstream to provide one file for kde and one for gnome [13:48] or get su-to-root out of the menu package [13:48] that is really a PITA [13:50] patch it to something that at least works... [13:51] well, I need to patch for su-to-root anyway [13:51] but since the package ought to provide desktop files for both kdesu and gksu I'd also need to do build magic in order to divert a gnome desktop file from the main one [13:52] we surely needs a common interface for that [13:52] su-to-root would be that [13:53] AFAIK it can use about any rootingtool out there [13:53] that includes both those for CLI and GUI [13:53] but does it currently work? [13:53] aye [13:54] su-to-root -X -c systemsettings [13:54] then i'd use that one [13:54] a|wen: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/kontrolpack [13:55] well, it is in menu [13:55] hmm... network plasmoid seems kinda broken in karmic :/ [13:55] and menu does a lot more than su-to-root (it's not even in the default seeds) [13:57] * apachelogger goes swimming [14:41] anyone here who can give me some advice on some compilation errors i get in ktorrent? [14:43] http://pastebin.com/m10f496e3 [14:44] im probably missing some dev packages.... [14:49] never mind... :P [14:51] apachelogger: the .png file is installed with executable bit set (+x) [15:07] a|wen: is that a problem? [15:08] apachelogger: eh... it shouldn't be executable [15:08] a|wen: yeah, but is it a problem :P [15:09] isn't it an easy fix :P [15:09] nope [15:09] dh_install can't do that [15:09] I'd rather have upstream fix that in the tarball as a whole, since every file in the tar is +x :P [15:09] he didn't fix that complaint in his last retaring [15:10] i agree on getting upstream to fix it! [15:19] apachelogger: or do a repack yourself (and add ~ubuntu or whatever before -1) [15:19] also an option [15:21] apachelogger: can be faster... [16:01] apachelogger: add this to end of debian/rules [16:01] binary-install/kontrolpack:: [16:01] chmod -x $(CURDIR)/debian/kontrolpack/usr/share/pixmaps/kontrolpack.png [16:03] k [16:04] * apachelogger wants note that this will be deprecate in the next version though [16:07] * apachelogger keeps those launchpad mugshots changing [16:09] hm [16:09] I am wondering [16:09] a|wen: why is the desktop file not +x? [16:12] apachelogger: dh_fixperms removes +x from .desktop files and README (and some other categories) [16:13] why not images? [16:14] good question ... it only fixes permissions on files in some pre-defined locations where it can be sure of the state it seems [16:14] a image filer never needs to be executable [16:14] bug IMHO [16:16] would make sense to have it look in /usr/share/pixmaps+icons as well [16:21] a|wen: uploaded [16:30] new strigi out [16:31] * JontheEchidna updates packages [16:31] * apachelogger thinks he pissed off svn.debian with too many wrong passwords :S [16:32] apachelogger: fail2ban certainly... svn.debian.org pissed you off :-) [16:32] not like I would care :P [16:44] apachelogger: advocate added [16:44] a|wen: thx [17:29] :) hi [17:29] * a|wen waves to ghostcube [17:29] :) [17:30] i installed bespin [17:30] hehe nice thing === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [19:47] er guys....how do you get arora to use plugins? i installed swfdec and swfdec-mozilla and restarted arora, but it doesnt auto-detect the plugin [20:03] I guess you're hitting bug 407384 [20:03] Launchpad bug 407384 in arora "flashplugin (swfdec or gnash) on arora" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407384 [20:04] when i first said that, apt had error'd out. now its definitely installed, and it shows a lego instead of playing the video [20:04] mhmmm thatd be it [20:04] doesnt work in konq either though [20:13] ooh, new webkitkde commits... [20:52] * a|wen wonders what his best shot is in karmic of connecting to encrypted wireless... [20:56] seele: Pong [21:00] * ScottK notes I have a teenager doing facebook usability testing with arora on a netbook. She has no idea it's research. She's just thrilled to get to facebook. [21:00] cool :) [21:00] * Quintasan is back [21:02] * a|wen is testing out KNE on his eee [21:03] looks good :) apart from network connectivity [21:03] is that new? [21:03] That's pretty much known to be crap at this point. [21:03] kne [21:03] vorian: Kubuntu Netbook Edition [21:03] haa [21:04] * vorian is quite slow [21:04] need to use it next week ... so have to find some minimal working connectivity or i have to reinstall :( [21:04] How's the move preps going? [21:04] a|wen: What king of connectivity do you need? [21:04] king/kind [21:05] ScottK: wireless wpa [21:05] a|wen: I've been using ifup/ifdown for now. [21:06] then it is bad ... not even knetworkmanager work anymore [21:09] It's easy enough to set up. [21:09] I didn't try knetworkmanager, but I'm not suprised as NetworkManager changed some password handling stuff. [21:09] a|wen: Did you try the PPA versions up for testing? [21:11] looked at the test-page for the PPA version ... and they couldn't make it work [21:13] but karmic is blazing fast at booting! [21:14] except when it's not [21:14] Of course. [21:14] My netbook is booting with KMS now though. [21:15] boots fine here ... and with ext4 on the root-drive it is pretty fast [21:18] uh, the network-plasmoid from jaunty-updates works ... except that there is no visual feedback on connecting [21:18] a|wen: here too, I am using it with apt-pinning for a while now [21:19] looks like we were lucky with that update :P === vorian is now known as buttercup === buttercup is now known as vorian [21:55] * shtylman can't wait for his always innovating touch book to arrive!! [22:06] shtylman: exciting ... do you have a link to a device like that [22:07] a|wen: http://alwaysinnovating.com/home/index.htm [22:08] uhh ... me want :) [22:12] +1 for arora on facebook. [22:14] * JontheEchidna was quite surprised when he found out that QtWebKit doesn't render the tag (filed a bug against QtWebKit @ webkit.org) [22:15] Ive had my eye on that device for sometime [22:15] * a|wen has never heard about the tag [22:16] * shtylman was not aware you could abbreviate the tag like that... cool [22:16] ahh [22:16] bugzilla uses it to strike through links of resolved bugs, quite handy [22:17] but both and are broken in arora, rekonq, et al :( [22:19] oh ... that is big thing missing [22:22] http://www.osnews.com/story/21935/GNOME_To_Drop_Icons_in_Buttons_Menus [22:22] am I the only one that find that hilarious? [22:22] *finds [22:28] heh [22:41] * JontheEchidna is quite happy with the results of his afternoon tweaking: http://imagebin.ca/view/SMaROCHo.html [22:43] Crystal window decoration, QtCurve w/ Aqua presets, Blue Altra Dot wallpaper, and the default Kubuntu color scheme [22:46] Im sorry, I still think thats gross... but default ones always seem to be. problem is, that one seems very kde3. [23:01] I'd be happier if the gradient on the windeco wasn't so harsh [23:04] kde svn 1006042 [23:04] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1006042&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1006042 | Read/write all OpenVPN settings I could find, not just the ones needed for my local VPN. Please test! If there is a problem, ... [23:05] ^Would be good for VPN testing, seems to be a major commit [23:46] i'm with jussi01 [23:47] that theme makes me glad my window manager doesn't have window decorations. all i'm sayin'