[00:03] <cbhl> Hmm... that was interesting... I think I just had a crash where I couldn't SSH in. :S
[00:04] <cbhl> or, freeze, rather.
[00:05] <penguin42> never good
[00:10] <cbhl> I don't have a serial console; unfortunately... so with no SSH and no keyboard; all I can do is reboot and tinker with Xorg.conf again...
[00:10]  * cbhl shrugs
[00:10] <penguin42> nod
[00:13] <alteregoa> i got some spaghetti charset with cygwin
[00:14] <alteregoa> locale is utf-8
[00:36] <vasuvi> I just installed Karmic Alpha 3, and am unused to the way that GRUB 2 does things.  Namely, as it discourages manual editing of grub.cfg, how to get it to "know" that the drive its on should be (hd2) instead of the (hd4) it thinks it is?
[00:37] <penguin42> vasuvi: Interesting I think I'm still on grub 1 ?
[00:37] <penguin42> seem to be
[00:38] <vasuvi> penguin42: Easy way to tell: do you have a menu.lst, grub.conf, or grub.cfg file in your /boot/grub directory?
[00:38] <vasuvi> The first two are for GRUB 1, the last for GRUB 2
[00:38] <vasuvi> (If you already knew that, sorry ;) )
[00:39] <penguin42> I have menu.lst
[00:39] <vasuvi> Yup, GRUB 1 then
[00:39]  * penguin42 happens to like being able edit config files
[00:40] <alteregoa> utf-8 stuff
[00:40] <BUGabundo> penguin42: vasuvi well we can
[00:40]  * vasuvi agrees, but vasuvi also likes to be able to boot directly into ISO's ;)
[00:40] <BUGabundo> there should be a _proper_ way
[00:40] <BUGabundo> but I just edit it as root
[00:40] <alteregoa> mdadm does mdadm check the array after a period of time automaticly?
[00:40] <BUGabundo> sudo didn't work
[00:40] <BUGabundo> vasuvi: grub allows boot from iso? WOOT
[00:41] <penguin42> alteregoa: I think it can be made to and remember there being something about a cron to do that
[00:41] <BUGabundo> gona be glad to test livecds onto HW
[00:41] <vasuvi> BIGabundo: Yup :D  Just like on a live partition, you just mount it to loop first (at least what GRUB 2 calls "loop", whatever it actually does internally)
[00:42] <vasuvi> Then you can boot to, say, (loop)/boot/vmlinuz
[00:42] <BUGabundo> woot
[00:42] <penguin42> oh wacky
[00:42] <alteregoa> penguin yeah i enabled crond in services
[00:43] <alteregoa> thats fine, so it checks every x minutes the array
[00:43] <penguin42> alteregoa: I think there are two types of checks; one is 'has a disc failed' and I think there is an occasional check that can be done every few days which check the whole disks
[00:44] <alteregoa> where is crond?
[00:44] <alteregoa> :/etc/crond?
[00:44] <penguin42> alteregoa: It's a thing that runs things periodically for you
[00:44] <alteregoa> yeah but wher is the crond config file?
[00:45] <alteregoa> i only see onancrond
[00:45] <alteregoa> sounds like a biblic thing
[00:45] <penguin42> it looks like mdadm creates /etc/cron.d/mdadm
[00:46] <billybigrigger> alteregoa, mdadm will check the array
[00:46] <billybigrigger> alteregoa, tune2fs
[00:46] <penguin42> there is also a /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.checkarray  which might be worth reading
[00:47] <alteregoa> ah at 00:57 at every sunday
[00:47] <billybigrigger> alteregoa, check the man page, mdadm defaults to 30 mounts or 180 days, whatever is first
[00:47] <penguin42> any minute then ?
[00:47] <alteregoa> each first sunday of the month
[00:47] <penguin42> billybigrigger: Erm how are tune2fs/mdadm related?
[00:48] <billybigrigger> ???? you can override mdadm's settings of checking the array every 30 mounts or 180 days with tune2fs
[00:48] <alteregoa> its 30000KB/s the check so it doesnt hurt
[00:48] <billybigrigger> penguin42, check the tune2fs man page
[00:49] <penguin42> billybigrigger: I'd expect that's you can override the filesystems check - I don't think mdadm does any checks based on mount does it?
[00:49] <alteregoa> 180 days is to long
[00:49] <billybigrigger> mdadm itself doesn't do checks i don't think no, if thats what your asking
[00:49] <penguin42> tune2fs is purely for filesystem not for raid
[00:50] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:/media$ sudo tune2fs -c 20 /dev/md0
[00:50] <billybigrigger> tune2fs 1.41.8 (11-July-2009)
[00:50] <billybigrigger> Setting maximal mount count to 20
[00:50] <billybigrigger> ????
[00:50] <alteregoa> no, the system is running on a UPS, forever
[00:50] <billybigrigger> how so, i just changed from 30 mounts to 20 mounts before a check is performed
[00:51] <penguin42> billybigrigger: mdadm does do perioic checks
[00:51] <billybigrigger> fsck does the checking of the fs
[00:51] <penguin42> billybigrigger: you are confusing the two problems - tune2fs is configuring the filesystem - the fact you have it on the raid is a separate issue
[00:51] <alteregoa> i create  a crond entry for tune2fs -c
[00:51] <penguin42> alteregoa: Why?
[00:51] <alteregoa> to check for consistency
[00:51] <billybigrigger> sorry, i must have jumped into a conversation in the middle
[00:52] <billybigrigger> alteregoa, you only need to set tune2fs -c once
[00:52] <penguin42> alteregoa: tune2fs doesn't check for consistency; you don't need to do that
[00:52] <alteregoa> e2fsck or whatever
[00:52]  * billybigrigger goes back to the sidelines
[00:52] <billybigrigger> :)
[00:53] <penguin42> alteregoa: You can't fsck while mounted anyway, so there's no pointing in cronning it
[00:53] <alteregoa> that sucks
[00:53] <BUGabundo> penguin42: actually you can
[00:53] <BUGabundo> just remount as RO
[00:53] <penguin42> true, but also you should never ever need to fsck in practice
[00:53] <BUGabundo> but if it changes the FS
[00:54] <BUGabundo> you need to reboot LOL
[00:54] <penguin42> BUGabundo: yeh I guess so
[00:54] <alteregoa> reboot, no way
[00:54] <BUGabundo> btw there's a bug in there on the recovery menu
[00:54] <BUGabundo> two bugs even
[00:54] <BUGabundo> alteregoa: either that or data lost
[00:55] <alteregoa> data lost, yeah i saw the movie, data lost on the enterprise
[00:55] <penguin42> The simple answer is you don't normally need to do an fsck except after hardware failure
[00:55] <BUGabundo> penguin42: on recovery menu if you fsck, it will try to boot afterwards, with the system on RO
[00:55] <BUGabundo> DOH FAIL
[00:55] <penguin42> and if you are running on duff hardware you don't want to be running an fsck
[00:55] <alteregoa> its a 15tb array
[00:55] <BUGabundo> penguin42: wrong. data corruption *can* occur
[00:55] <penguin42> BUGabundo: How?
[00:55] <BUGabundo> you can suffer from bad disks, interfences, kernel bugs, etc
[00:56] <BUGabundo> penguin42: just see what pre -30 kernel did on ext4
[00:56] <BUGabundo> alteregoa: easilly fixable. cluster reduncy
[00:56] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Yeh well that's why I've not gone anywhere near ext4 yet
[00:56] <BUGabundo> alteregoa: you take one host down for mantanence and then resync when online
[00:57] <BUGabundo> also see glusterfs.
[00:57] <BUGabundo> penguin42: most known bugs are fixed on -31
[00:57] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I'll give it a year or two :-)
[00:57] <alteregoa> glusterf sounds like goa'uld fs
[00:57] <BUGabundo> including the so NOTORIUS truncage bugs
[00:58] <alteregoa> i think i put the md0 to a iscsi
[00:59] <alteregoa> or is there a way to forward x11 screen output over a tcp connection? ( not vnc)?
[00:59] <penguin42> from an already running X session?
[01:00] <alteregoa> if its possible yes
[01:00] <penguin42> for an existing one the only way I know is via vnc using x11vnc
[01:01] <BUGabundo> alteregoa: it *used* to
[01:01] <BUGabundo> with XDMC
[01:01] <BUGabundo> AFAIK not available on the new GDM
[01:01] <alteregoa> xdmc yeah rundmc is cool
[01:01] <yoasif> alteregoa, there are ways to do it, but you have to run a virtual x server
[01:01] <yoasif> when i used it last, it was kinda buggy
[01:01] <alteregoa> on cygwin?
[01:02] <yoasif> Xvfb
[01:02] <yoasif> on the server
[01:02] <yoasif> and then you use x + screen or whatever normally
[01:03] <alteregoa> thanks
[01:04] <alteregoa> virtual framebuffer runs much faster compared to vnc
[01:04] <yoasif> yeah definitely
[01:04] <yoasif> vnc is slow
[01:04] <yoasif> you could also do NX
[01:04] <penguin42> how do you monitor Xvfb?
[01:05] <yoasif> no idea what you mean by monitor
[01:05] <penguin42> I thought it was so virtual you couldn't see it
[01:05] <yoasif> you can use it by using X
[01:05] <alteregoa> virtual on the host, but you send the output to a terminal (here to a cygwin terminal)
[01:07] <yoasif> alteregoa, its working ok for you?
[01:09] <alteregoa> i check it later
[01:10] <yoasif> hehe cool
[01:10] <yoasif> good luck
[01:13] <alteregoa> peace
[01:13] <yoasif> pax
[01:13] <alteregoa> shalom
[01:17] <BUGabundo> Paz
[01:24] <BUGabundo> hey Sarvatt
[01:24] <BUGabundo> and bye guys
[01:24] <BUGabundo> BED mode on
[01:25] <penguin42> ditto
[01:31] <alteregoa> bhagwan was a jerk
[02:21] <DanaG> odd... my GDM was FLASHING at me.
[02:21] <DanaG> Switched back and forth between wallpaper and login, multiple times per second.
[02:28] <DanaG> "Vuze just completed downloading an important update and must now be restarted so that the update can be installed."
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[02:28] <DanaG> "Vuze just completed downloading an important update and must now be restarted so that the update can be installed."
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[02:28] <DanaG> Hah!
[02:31] <yoasif> vuze sucks
[02:31] <yoasif> use transmission
[02:31] <yoasif> or rtorrent
[02:31] <syn-ack> hell even uTorrent would be better
[02:31] <yoasif> eh i would rather stay away from wine if i can
[02:32] <syn-ack> Doesnt uTorrent have UNIX port?
[02:32] <syn-ack> Could have sworn it did
[02:33] <DanaG> Vuze has more features than all the others.
[02:33] <syn-ack> Vuze is slow pile of....  er yeah
[02:34] <DanaG> Last time I checked, Transmission was severely lacking in features.
[02:34] <DanaG> Didn't even have a good auto-throttling thing, I think.
[02:34] <syn-ack> Works fine for me
[02:35] <DanaG> And it doesn't keep seeding and downloading in separate panes.
[02:35] <DanaG> Oh, and another thing: you can't specify a fixed local port to use -- so I can't use QoS on it on my router.
[02:37] <ripps> DanaG: take a look at Deluge, I used to use it alot, but I've stopped torrenting because my isp hates me when I do
[02:38] <DanaG> oh yeah, and importing all my active torrents would likely be a pain, too.
[02:39] <DanaG> oh, and handy feature in vuze: it guesses, usually correctly, where to put torrents, based on where you last put other torrents with the same types of files.
[02:40] <yoasif> DanaG, you can do all that with rtorrent
[02:40] <DanaG> "peer TOS byte" -- whazzat?
[02:40] <yoasif> plus it's actually -- fast
[02:40] <yoasif> unlike vuze
[02:41] <DanaG> well, deluge looks pretty good.
[02:43] <rww> deluge and rtorrent are both great compared to vuze :)
[02:43] <vasuvi> bittornado is good compared to vuze ;)
[02:44] <vasuvi> (I just use Transmission myself, but my needs are pretty modest)
[02:46] <vasuvi> If anybody is curious how I hacked the scripts to make 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' do the right thing based on boot drive:
[02:46] <vasuvi> I wrote a small C program: http://paste.ubuntu.com/243053/
[02:47] <vasuvi> And I grep'ed to find the four places where the grub_probe is called for the device name, and made it call my small program on the result
[02:47] <DanaG> How do you make it ask where to put each torrent, for every torrent you download?
[02:49] <DanaG> ugh, yeah, importing the things is not worth the effort.
[02:49] <DanaG> ... at least for now.
[02:55] <alteregoa> the tony danza extravaganza
[02:57] <billybigrigger> if your looking for a vuze/utorrent the only thing that comes to my mind is deluge
[02:57] <billybigrigger> beats the pants of transmission
[02:58] <alteregoa> transmission is KISS programming
[03:03] <DanaG> yeah, but manually pointing it back at all 20 or so torrents I have... seems like a pain.
[03:03] <DanaG> And how well does it deal with torrents that have files on not-currently-mounted mount points?
[03:03] <DanaG> What Azureus does: just stops those torrents.
[03:05] <DanaG> oh heck, I don't even remember which of the torrents in .azureus/torrents I actually still have active.
[03:05] <billybigrigger> DanaG, what else would you expect it to do?
[03:05] <billybigrigger> can't really do much but stop the torrent if its not somewhere mounted
[03:05] <DanaG> I don't know; if it were badly coded, it'd remove the torrent, or something stupid like that.
[03:05] <DanaG> With the way some of the Gnome things have been going lately, it wouldn'y surprise me.
[03:05] <DanaG> wouldn't,
[03:05] <DanaG> .
[03:05] <billybigrigger> try deluge
[03:06] <billybigrigger> it beats the pants off anything i've tried
[03:06] <billybigrigger> unless you want something console based, but in the gui world of linux torrent clients, deluge reigns supreme :P
[03:08] <rww> the deluge webui isn't half bad either
[03:09] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and vuze also shows which pieces are active, and lets you prioritize specific files, and such.
[03:09] <DanaG> I just imported one torrent, and it's stuck at "Checking 0.00%."
[03:13] <DanaG> STill just sitting there.
[03:13] <DanaG> oh, I see... it was on 'pause'.
[03:13] <DanaG> So apparently, "start paused" means "and don't bother checking it, either."
[03:19] <billybigrigger> deluge can change file priorities
[03:20] <DanaG> ah, cool.
[03:20] <DanaG> It's easier to import one at a time (i.e. drag one .torrent at a time), than to import all at once and try to sort them out that way.
[03:24] <DanaG> I don't see how to change priority.... right-clicking gives nothing, and double-clicking just opens the file
[03:26] <billybigrigger> open the torrent properties?
[03:26] <DanaG> You mean the bottom pane?
[03:27] <DanaG> Already did that.
[03:27] <DanaG> That's where I'm seeing the list of files.
[03:27] <DanaG> I see the priority options now... but they're all grayed out.
[03:27] <DanaG> i.e. disabled.
[03:28] <billybigrigger> ???
[03:29] <DanaG> what do you mean, "???"  ?
[03:29] <billybigrigger> im lost i don't know why it's greyed works for me everytime
[03:31] <billybigrigger> not greyed here
[03:31] <DanaG> heh, whether you're paused or going... the menu shows both "pause" and "resume".
[03:34] <DanaG> heh, this thing lets you try to add the same torrent twice.
[03:34] <DanaG> And then silently ignores you once you hit "okay".
[03:37] <DanaG> grr, broken priority.
[03:39] <DanaG> Fail.
[03:45] <DanaG> Great, since I can't tell it "do not download", it's going to trample on my good tagging with the broken tagging present in the original torrent.
[03:46] <DanaG> You're right about it being slim, though -- no performance hit from running it.
[03:47] <DanaG> grr, case-sensitive.... since when is NTFS case-sensitive?
[03:48] <DanaG> And there's no option to RENAME the dir, either.
[03:53] <DanaG> yay, at least ntfs supports symlinks.
[04:02] <syn-ack> DanaG, NTFS in of its self always has been
[04:02] <syn-ack> DanaG, Windows though, is not.
[04:05] <alteregoa> you can made windows case sensitive
[04:06] <alteregoa>  ObCaseInsensitive = 0
[04:24] <syn-ack> alteregoa, right, but out of the box *windows* is not case sensitive, but NTFS is
[04:29] <fuzzybunny69y> hey everyone I am having major problems with my sound. It has been happening ever since Intrepid and it seems to be even worse in Karmic when I play a song it will start playing fine and then when i skip to the next song it will just freeze up the program. The driver is snd-hda-intel and ICH8 variant of it. The codec it is using is Realtek ALC262 and then it also lists Conexant ID 2c06 and I am using a Sony Vaio VGN-CR520D.
[04:29] <fuzzybunny69y>  If anyone can help that would be great!
[04:45] <billybigrigger> !sound
[05:26] <SeveredCross> Uh, File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer) doesn't make sense anymore in Karmic, does it?
[05:28] <fuzzybunny69y> SeveredCross, yeah I am not sure where to change all those settings anymore
[05:29] <billybigrigger> i guess it would be in your sound preferences now
[05:29] <fuzzybunny69y> damn I thought switching to a xine backend or Amarok would fix it
[05:29] <billybigrigger> nevermind
[05:29] <billybigrigger> you can't even change that in sound preferences
[05:30] <fuzzybunny69y> well I am at a total loss everything I have tried doing has not worked and everytime I upgrade anything it seems to get worse for some reason
[05:30] <billybigrigger> $ apt-get install pavucontrol
[05:30] <billybigrigger> you can change your output device in there
[05:31] <billybigrigger> dev's should have made 'Sound Preferences
[05:31] <billybigrigger> dev's should have made 'Sound Preferences' = pavucontrol
[05:31] <billybigrigger> not a dumbed down version
[05:31] <billybigrigger> with less options
[05:31] <billybigrigger> stupid!
[05:31] <DanaG> That's Gnome for you.
[05:31] <DanaG> Fewer options is better!  Always!
[05:31] <DanaG> =(
[05:32] <billybigrigger> better than kde imo, for now :P
[05:32] <fuzzybunny69y> I like Gnome so far
[05:32] <billybigrigger> we'll see in the next few releases
[05:32] <fuzzybunny69y> KDE seemed very unstable when i used it so i went back to gnome
[05:32] <billybigrigger> never have been a fan of kde, but xfce is starting to make me considering switching :P
[05:33] <fuzzybunny69y> billybigrigger, how do I switch my output device?
[05:33] <DanaG> I like the gnome system-monitor applet.
[05:33] <DanaG> Nothing else manages to convey the nice/system/user load quite as well.
[05:33] <DanaG> ... once I swap the colors, that is.
[05:33] <DanaG> Oh, and iowait.
[05:33] <billybigrigger> fuzzybunny69y, i was looking at input
[05:33] <billybigrigger> :(
[05:33] <billybigrigger> seems you cant
[05:34] <fuzzybunny69y> hmm i dont really see any options in there to change much
[05:34] <billybigrigger> no, except input device
[05:34] <DanaG> grr, stupid deluge... I select 5 torrents, and go to "modify tracker"..... and it modifies... ONE.
[05:34] <DanaG> Just one.
[05:34] <billybigrigger> what version?
[05:35] <fuzzybunny69y> all it lets me adjust is the volume
[05:36] <fuzzybunny69y> !sound
[05:38] <billybigrigger> that needs some updating for +1
[05:45] <fuzzybunny69y> here is my sound info guys: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=fc7ef18b2311cf63921c6196cd2d26b2110a1000 if anyone can help
[05:48] <billybigrigger> hey, fyi, .31-rc5 kernel should have some alsa/hda updates
[05:48] <billybigrigger> maybe that might fix them
[05:48] <syn-ack> has rc5 hit yet?
[05:49] <syn-ack> our repos, that is
[05:49] <syn-ack> I havent seen it at all yet
[05:49] <DanaG> Oh, the mute GPIO thingy -- ooooooooh.
[05:52] <billybigrigger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.31-5.24/+build/1143082
[05:52] <DanaG> missing or invalid 'file sizes' entry in resume data
[05:52] <DanaG> grr.
[05:52] <billybigrigger> was finished building 12 hours ago
[05:52] <billybigrigger> should be hitting repos soon
[05:53] <syn-ack> Man, I wish the submission to distrobution cycle was quicker sometimes
[05:53] <DanaG> oh yeah, where can I get the firefox 3.5.2 beta?
[05:53] <DanaG> I don't want dailies, but I want the beta for the fixed ICC stuff.
[05:54] <syn-ack> DanaG, From mozilla's site, I'd imagine then
[05:56] <Hobbsee> DanaG: ~mozilla-team may have a ppa for them
[05:56] <Hobbsee> or ~fta
[05:59] <alteregoa> why the hell i get certificate errors?
[06:01] <DanaG> E: Build-dependencies for pidgin could not be satisfied.
[06:01] <DanaG> lolwut?
[06:06] <DanaG> how do you make dpkg-buildpackage use -j option for Make?
[06:13] <DanaG> oh, it's still... -j.
[06:14] <mcw> hi
[07:41] <DanaG> hey, where'd the Totem youtube plugin go?
[07:41] <DanaG> !info totem-plugins-extra
[07:42] <DanaG> nope!
[07:42] <DanaG> not there.
[07:52] <kklimonda> DanaG: well, according to the description it's still in totem-plugins
[07:52] <kklimonda> but it's obviously not a case..
[07:53] <DanaG> ah, so I'm not crazy.  ¬_¬
[07:53] <DanaG> s/crazy/the only one/
[07:53] <syn-ack> You are but thats beside the point
[07:55] <kklimonda> DanaG: from buildlog: configure: WARNING: you need libgdata >= 0.4.0 installed for the YouTube plugin (disabling plugin)
[07:56] <kklimonda> DanaG: bug 384768
[07:56] <DanaG> seems to "OF"?  =þ
[07:56] <DanaG> I'd reword that:  "has vanished."
[07:56] <DanaG> Well, "it'll be fixed by release time" is a good enough answer for me, if that's what it is.
[08:01] <DanaG> odd... one specific torrent keeps reporting "input/output error".
[08:10] <kklimonda> anyone using hamster-applet?
[08:10] <kklimonda> I need a quick check of something
[08:11] <Laibsch> Can somebody help me understand why I can access a cheap NAS box I have with hardy and jaunty smbclient, but not the karmic one? -> bug 407583
[08:26] <DanaG> why do we have both cron and anacron?
[08:29] <Hobbsee> because one's used for machines on all the time, and one isn't.
[08:30] <Hobbsee> i'm not sure why it recommends cron, though
[08:31] <DanaG> ubuntu-desktop depends on both.
[08:33] <Hobbsee> yes, anacron recommends cron, and i'm unsure as to why.
[08:34] <DanaG> I hope they don't both try to run the same things.
[08:34] <DanaG> ... or they'd end up happening multiple times.
[08:35] <Hobbsee> looks like cron runs by default, and anacron doesn't.
[08:35] <DanaG> odd... for me, both daemons claim to start.
[08:36] <Hobbsee> on fresh jaunty, anyway
[08:37] <DanaG> stat("/etc/cron.d/anacron", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=244, ...}) = 0
[08:39] <DanaG> Sun Aug  2 00:39:14 PDT 2009
[08:46]  * Laibsch suggest combing through the changelogs
[08:47] <Hobbsee> Laibsch: I already did - it told me that anacron's cron has changed from suggests to recommends, but not why.
[08:47] <Laibsch> OK
[08:48] <Hobbsee> didn't check bugs in debian or antyhing, though
[08:48] <Laibsch> Who made the change?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> so i'm a bit at a loss
[08:48] <Hobbsee> debian
[08:48] <Laibsch> Is it a real problem?
[08:48]  * Hobbsee heads out for a while
[08:48] <Laibsch> was it a recent change?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> not to me, but seems to be to DanaG
[08:48]  * Laibsch does not have ubuntu-desktop installed because it pulls in too much stuff
[08:49] <Laibsch> and recently I'm running XFCE more often anyway
[09:01] <DanaG> I find it silly to have two scheduler thingies of some sort... do they work together, or independently (ignorantly)... or do they cooperate?
[09:03] <DanaG> oh yeah, when'll the new kernel go to repos?
[09:04] <DanaG> oh yeah, and is it possible to extract the raw audio data (i.e. not go lossy -> pcm -> lossy) from the totem youtube plugin?
[09:14] <mac_v> In Karmic , where are the settings for the PCM volume levels ?
[09:16] <Laibsch> mac_v: as always in alsamixer
[09:16] <mac_v> i can find it o.0
[09:17] <mac_v> only terminal , no gui :(
[09:17] <floating> alsamixer is terminal prog
[09:18] <mac_v> previously there was a GUI for altering the alsa settings
[09:18] <floating> on my karmic xubuntu there is such too
[09:19] <mac_v> they changed a lot in Ubuntu , now not there
[09:19] <floating> applications - multimedia - mixer on xfce
[09:20] <floating> but alsamixer on terminal is not very hard to operate, just try it
[09:20] <mac_v> yeah... just figured it out  , seems quite easy
[09:31] <fuzzybunny69y> hey everyone I am having major problems with my sound. It has been happening ever since Intrepid and it seems to be even worse in Karmic when I play a song it will start playing fine and then when i skip to the next song it will just freeze up the program. The driver is snd-hda-intel and ICH8 variant of it. The codec it is using is Realtek ALC262 and then it also lists Conexant ID 2c06 and I am using a Sony Vaio VGN-CR520D.
[09:31] <fuzzybunny69y>  If anyone can help that would be great! Another weird thing is that if I make another user account and go into that account my sound problem seems to be fixed
[09:40] <hifi> how do I change on what partition ubuntu hibernates, also which is on use swsusp or TuxOnIce?
[09:55] <cwillu> hifi, it's the swap partition unless you've explicitly changed something
[09:55] <cwillu> if you have multiple swap partitions, I'd expect that it uses the normal swap partition priority
[10:00] <kklimonda> fuzzybunny69y: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DebuggingSoundProblems
[10:01] <hifi> cwillu: can I explicitly set which swap partition to use
[10:02] <cwillu> hifi, via the usual swap priority mechanism I'd expect, yes.  You'd have to look at the relevant docs for whichever hibernation system you're using though
[10:02] <cwillu> typically, hibernation is exactly equivilent to swapping everything out, and as such it doesn't typically make much sense to do things differently just because we're hibernating
[10:03] <hifi> cwillu: just in case the first swap is too full to contain the real system memory I'd like to have a different swap for hibernation
[10:04] <hifi> thats really a marginal case, but could happen
[10:04] <cwillu> you can add and remove swap files on the fly
[10:04] <cwillu> i.e., it'll migrate off a swap file/partition when you remove it via swapoff
[10:05] <cwillu> ideally the scripts would handle those cases, but I'm pretty sure they're not doing it yet
[10:05] <hifi> I'm on a bare karmic and writing my suspend scripts by hand
[10:05] <cwillu> but it'd be easy to have it check top and allocate a new swapfile on root or /tmp big enough to cover the shortfall, enable it, and then resume the hibernate process
[10:06] <cwillu> the only hitch is that afaik swap files can't be sparse files, so you do have to actually allocate the space, which can be expensive in certain circumstances
[10:07] <hifi> I already have a partition with enough space to hold the system memory so I'd like to use it
[10:07] <cwillu> so just add it as a normal swap drive
[10:07] <cwillu> set it as a low priority if you don't want it used unless absolutely necessary
[10:08] <hifi> ah, that'd work I guess
[10:08] <cwillu> pri=value in fstab
[10:09] <cwillu> so it'd be pri=0, and then your normal swap partition would be pri=1
[10:18] <hifi> thanks for your help
[10:24] <joohoo> hello
[10:24] <joohoo> i use karmic koala
[10:25] <joohoo> before my firefox was 3.0, theni think it was 3.5 i dont know
[10:25] <joohoo> but now its 3.0.12
[10:25] <joohoo> why its not 3.5 ?
[10:26] <kklimonda> joohoo: there are still some things that has to be done before 3.5 becomes the default version.
[10:27] <joohoo> ok
[10:27] <joohoo> i think i had it before and it worked good, but im not sure
[10:27] <joohoo> what has to be done?
[10:27] <joohoo> when will 3.5 be default?
[10:29] <floating> when will chromium be default ?
[10:30] <joohoo> chromium cant be default cuz its not firfox
[10:30] <joohoo> only firefox can be default
[10:30] <floating> aaha
[10:31] <kklimonda> joohoo: the list of things to be done is here: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5
[10:31] <kklimonda> I'm not sure if it's up2date though
[10:32] <floating> chromium is more responsive than firefox. I couldn't use linux with firefox, it reacts to tab changes and stuff 10 times slower than chromium
[10:32] <kklimonda> floating: chromium isn't ready to be a replacement for Firefox
[10:33] <joohoo> tab changes is fast in firefox for me, i have dualcor
[10:33] <kklimonda> floating: neither is Google Chrome 3.x for Windows - it lacks some features that Firefox has and people use
[10:33] <floating> yes, not ready to be a replacement for firefox as default browser, but it is ready enough for personal use :)
[10:34] <BUGabundo> I just use both
[10:35] <BUGabundo> depending on what I need
[10:35] <BUGabundo> and guud morning everyone
[10:35] <floating> do you have any kind of ad blocker for the chromium ?
[10:35] <BUGabundo> not yet
[10:36] <floating> I tried some on google chrome on windows earlier, but it was based on some css inspecting or something, and was not even close as effective as adblocker+ for firefox
[10:36] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: do you know if breathe icon set will be a new default for KK?
[10:36] <BUGabundo> no I didn't know
[10:36] <BUGabundo> I have a totaly and external theme
[10:37] <BUGabundo> nothing even close to the archive set
[10:37] <BUGabundo> wallapper, mouse, windows, icons
[10:37] <BUGabundo> nothing is untouched
[10:37] <BUGabundo> that's what I dislike on the new GDM
[10:37] <kklimonda> :D
[10:37] <BUGabundo> no choice :(
[10:37] <BUGabundo> this is becoming so NOT linux, no choise, no change :(
[10:39] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: isn't it just a bug? :P
[10:41] <BUGabundo> no idea what you are talking about ! :p
[10:42] <yofel> good morning folks
[10:42] <BUGabundo> hey dear yofel
[10:42] <cdE|Woozy> hm
[10:42] <cdE|Woozy> sorry, wrong channel
[10:43] <BUGabundo> hey richardcavell
[10:43] <BUGabundo> cdE|Woozy: well a "hm" always helps :D
[10:43] <yofel> BUGabundo: iirc you liked comparing bootcharts :P http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1229111
[10:43] <richardcavell> hey Bug
[10:44] <BUGabundo> yofel: tip on my person: if it is stats, I luv it !
[10:44] <yofel> hehe
[10:49] <cdE|Woozy> BUGabundo, glad to be of service :D
[10:52] <BUGabundo> yofel: left my reply there
[10:52] <BUGabundo> amazing, two pages of replies and no one replied to OP
[11:05] <syn-ack> BUGabundo, you around?
[11:06] <BUGabundo> yep syn-ack
[11:06]  * BUGabundo pokes syn-ack with cwillu poking stick
[11:07] <syn-ack> You familiar with EFI at all?
[11:07] <syn-ack> specifically Insyde firmwares...
[11:07] <BUGabundo> nop
[11:08] <syn-ack> Im trying to figure out how to disable the BIOS CSM so I can directly boot via GRUB2+EFI_Core
[11:08] <simba_> so i installed karmic on a Eee 1008ha, I love it when everything just works....well almost everything, when i go to text console (<ctrl><alt>F1) and back to gnome the tapping on my pad stop working, and i either have to re-run gsynaptics or restart to get it to work again....any ideas?
[11:08] <richardcavell> syn-ack: what computer do you have?
[11:08] <richardcavell> syn-ack: and why do you need to do that?
[11:09] <syn-ack> basically this is how it works. I have EFI but everything about the BIOS emulated, including Bootstrap
[11:09] <richardcavell> okay
[11:09] <syn-ack> richardcavell, I have an HP Pavillion G50 and because I can?
[11:09] <richardcavell> I have a Mac so I don't have any choice but to use EFI
[11:09] <syn-ack> Right.
[11:10] <syn-ack> I mean I only use EFI like yourself, but HP in all their wisdom had insyde emulate the BIOS
[11:10] <syn-ack> which if you ask me is pretty silly
[11:12] <BUGabundo> simba_: you are lucky. my tap doesn't even work on a fresh boot
[11:13] <simba_> BUGabundo, does it work after running gsynaptics?
[11:13] <BUGabundo> let me see
[11:13] <BUGabundo> The program 'gsynaptics' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[11:13] <BUGabundo> sudo apt-get install gsynaptics
[11:13] <BUGabundo> simba_: just a few secs more
[11:13] <BUGabundo> lol
[11:13] <BUGabundo> I was under the idea we no longer supported gsynaptics
[11:14]  * syn-ack hands BUGabundo a /exec sudo
[11:14] <BUGabundo> since jaunty
[11:14] <syn-ack> ;)
[11:14] <BUGabundo> syn-ack: I posted that deliberety
[11:14] <syn-ack> mmmmhmmm
[11:14] <BUGabundo> ohh I haven't run updates today
[11:14] <syn-ack> sure you did. /me runs
[11:14]  * BUGabundo headslap
[11:15] <syn-ack> There were only 7
[11:18] <yofel> simba_: tapping works fine here on my 1000H
[11:18] <yofel> well... after fiddling around with gconf that is -.-
[11:18] <BUGabundo> oh KEWL
[11:18] <BUGabundo> I have tapping back
[11:18] <BUGabundo> thanks simba_
[11:18] <simba_> BUGabundo, a more manual way to setup the touchpad is to do it in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ (more choises)
[11:19] <BUGabundo> oh... multitouch doesn't work :(
[11:19] <BUGabundo> we are regressing :(
[11:19] <simba_> yofel, guess it isnt compleetely identical hardwares...
[11:21] <yofel> BUGabundo: tell that to the gnome devs that only implemented about 1/10 of the synaptics features in the gconf settings *-.-
[11:21] <mac_v> simba_: BUGabundo Bug #406247 tap-to-click needs to be set in the gconf
[11:21] <dupondje> Gnome feels death, its not really improving anymore: (
[11:22] <BUGabundo> well horizontal scroll is not fixed here
[11:23] <mac_v> BUGabundo: that too needs to be set in the gconf
[11:24] <simba_> hmm....wonder if multitouch can be set manually,
[11:24] <yofel> simba_: 2 finger scroll can be set in gconf afaik, and the rest should still be configurable with synclient
[11:25] <simba_> yofel, you run karmic UNR?
[11:25] <yofel> nope, default karmic
[11:25] <dupondje> btw, how long does it take for a package to get synced from debian ?
[11:25] <mac_v> guys install  gpointing-device-settings , more options that gsyanptics , gsynaptics is being depricated
[11:26] <BUGabundo> $ synclient -h
[11:26] <BUGabundo> Can't access shared memory area. SHMConfig disabled?
[11:26] <simba_> yofel, I love the UNR desktop.
[11:27] <BUGabundo> WHOOPA
[11:27] <BUGabundo> now I have multitouch, thanks  mac_v
[11:27] <yofel> simba_: never tried it tbh. I use yakuake and gnome-do most of the time
[11:27] <mac_v> :)
[11:28] <BUGabundo> but now horz scroll :(
[11:28] <mac_v> BUGabundo: set it manually in gconf
[11:28] <BUGabundo> where?
[11:29] <BUGabundo> mac_v: where?
[11:29] <mac_v> BUGabundo: Desktop -> Gnome -> Peripherals -> Touchpad
[11:30]  * BUGabundo starts hacking gconf like crazy. result: rm .gconf aftewards
[11:31] <mac_v> for some reason the mouse settings are not being activated in gconf.
[11:31] <mac_v> *some*
[11:31] <BUGabundo> /desktop/gnome/peripherals/touchpad/scroll_method
[11:31] <BUGabundo> can't we have a 4th option?
[11:31] <BUGabundo> like BOTH?
[11:31] <yofel> BUGabundo: DanaG already complained about that :P
[11:32] <BUGabundo> lol
[11:32] <maxb> It seems like such on obvious omission :-/
[11:32] <maxb> Circular scrolling would be nice too
[11:32] <BUGabundo> so this applies immediately?
[11:32] <BUGabundo> or after re-login ?
[11:32] <mac_v> yup , immediately
[11:32] <maxb> immediately
[11:35] <simba_> BUGabundo, info on manually setting synaptics for xorg "http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Synaptics_Touchpad/Xorg_7.3"
[11:37] <yofel> simba_: doesn't gconf override the X settings?
[11:38] <simba_> yoasif, was just thinking, sins gconf dont have everything the x settings for the other stuff might work
[11:39] <yofel> true
[11:50] <yofel> hm... how do you open the gnome-do settings in docky mode?
[11:56] <BUGabundo> yofel: same key
[11:56] <BUGabundo> super+l
[11:57] <BUGabundo> ohh setting
[11:57] <BUGabundo> you need the mouse
[11:57] <BUGabundo> click on the 1st icon
[11:57] <BUGabundo> right button I think
[11:57] <yofel> aaaah
[11:57] <yofel> thx :)
[11:58] <yofel> hmm, docky is niiiice :D
[11:59] <BUGabundo> no its not :d
[11:59] <BUGabundo> I like glassy better
[11:59] <BUGabundo> hum let me take a screen shot of that
[11:59] <RAOF> BUGabundo, yofel: Same as normal - there's an item.  Fire up Do, run the "preferences" item
[11:59] <yofel> ah, didn't know that
[11:59] <syn-ack> G'morning, RAOF
[12:00] <BUGabundo> RAOF: hi. can you make an #exaile plugin ?
[12:00] <BUGabundo> it has MPRIS support + a CLI for that + a dbus interface
[12:00] <BUGabundo> I asked on #do
[12:00] <yofel> BUGabundo: had glass until now too, but I want to get rid of the window-list on my *small* eeePC screen ;)
[12:00] <BUGabundo> but noone replied
[12:00] <RAOF> For Do?  Not until I've finished Pulseaudio# and written a pulseaudio plugin.
[12:01] <BUGabundo> http://files.getdropbox.com/u/112892/glassy.png
[12:01] <syn-ack> hrm
[12:01] <BUGabundo> RAOF: and that wish bug I filed for paste.ubuntu.co m?
[12:02] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: you have the most cluttered desktop I've ever seen
[12:02] <BUGabundo> this is a _clean_ version
[12:02] <BUGabundo> it used to be worse
[12:03] <yofel> kklimonda: mine looks like that too :P
[12:03] <yofel> though it was worse before I purged my gconf settings and started fresh ^^
[12:04] <kklimonda> heh, my panels are more or less default ;)
[12:05] <BUGabundo> why?
[12:05] <BUGabundo> really why?
[12:05] <BUGabundo> I need to make it feel ME
[12:05] <BUGabundo> not someone else idea of a Desktop
[12:05] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I love the idea of sensible defaults ;)
[12:05] <BUGabundo> that reminds me who nuno pinheiro says he feels when he looks at other ppl desktop
[12:05] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: do you know how much time does it save ? :)
[12:06] <BUGabundo> he spends so many other design the thing and then users _kill_ it
[12:06] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: do you know how kicker I am when I have what I need close at hand?
[12:06] <BUGabundo> plus DO makes everything soooo much faster
[12:06] <BUGabundo> I don't even use menus
[12:06] <kklimonda> I don't use do
[12:06] <BUGabundo> I just need alt+f2 to start it when it dies
[12:07] <kklimonda> :D
[12:07] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: you have NO idea what you are lossing!
[12:07] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: I've tried using do and quicksilver on mac
[12:07]  * BUGabundo winks at RAOF
[12:07] <kklimonda> quicksilver lost with spotlight
[12:07] <kklimonda> and do.. dude, I spent most of my time in terminal ;)
[12:07] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: well I've set it up for new users, and 15 min latter they can't let it go
[12:07] <yofel> hm... am I *still* the only one that can't use alt+f2???
[12:07] <BUGabundo> well even on cli, DO can be helpful
[12:08] <BUGabundo> sure super+l+ter+enter
[12:08] <BUGabundo> is longer then ctrl+n
[12:08] <BUGabundo> yofel: prob
[12:08] <BUGabundo> and most users that don't know it exists
[12:08] <kklimonda> I wonder why is rmadison so slow for ubuntu :/
[12:09] <kklimonda> it works almost instantly for debian.. :/
[12:09] <BUGabundo> I wish DO and pidgin fixed the darn jump to chat bug
[12:09] <BUGabundo> guess I need to re-file it and nag some ppl
[12:09] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I feel the same thing with OOo
[12:09] <BUGabundo> !info rmadison
[12:10] <BUGabundo> !kklimonda_the_bot rmadison
[12:10] <yofel> !info devscripts
[12:11] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it's a tool that displays package's version for all supported ubuntu/debian releases/architectures
[12:11] <BUGabundo> ah
[12:12] <yofel> ok... metacity can't use alt+f2 as well so it's at least not a compiz issue...
[12:12] <BUGabundo> can't use?
[12:12] <BUGabundo> WFM yofel
[12:13] <yofel> BUGabundo: that much I figured out already, but it won't work for me :(
[12:13] <yofel> I press alt+f2 and nothing happens
[12:13] <yofel> yay and now I can't start compiz
[12:14] <yofel> apport comes up with compiz.real has crashed -.-
[12:14] <syn-ack> yoasif, open a terminal and start it for now or zap your console. :P
[12:15] <BUGabundo> :p
[12:15] <yofel> *sigh* I guess I'll re-login, compiz --replace gives me
[12:15] <simba_> gnome-do works with UNR?
[12:15] <yofel> *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/compiz.real: double free or corruption (!prev): 0x0000000002cee750 ***
[12:16] <syn-ack> ouch
[12:17] <BUGabundo> yofel: I got that fixed luckly
[12:17] <BUGabundo> humm
[12:17] <BUGabundo> there's something in gconf for that
[12:17] <BUGabundo> and on cssm
[12:17] <BUGabundo> you need to set compiz as the default WM and not metacity
[12:18]  * BUGabundo digs gconf
[12:18] <syn-ack> I dont
[12:18] <syn-ack> BUGabundo, one word
[12:18] <syn-ack> Windows Registry.
[12:18] <syn-ack> which is EXACTLY what I think of gconf. Call me old school though
[12:18]  * scizzo- agrees with BUGabundo 
[12:19] <BUGabundo> syn-ack: it is
[12:19] <BUGabundo> yofel: think this is it : /apps/gdm/simple-greeter/wm_use_compiz
[12:19] <syn-ack> It is
[12:19]  * yofel goes looking
[12:19] <kklimonda> syn-ack: the idea of registry isn't really bad or something ;)
[12:20] <BUGabundo> This is going to happen if you "unredirect" fullscreen windows (System-> Preferences -> CompizConfig Settings Manager -> General Options ->General -> Unredirect Fullscreen Windows).
[12:20] <BUGabundo> and seems to help too
[12:20] <yofel> BUGabundo: set it to 'true' ?
[12:20] <BUGabundo> yofel: true
[12:20] <yofel> ok, set
[12:20] <yofel> let me try again
[12:21] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I like the basic idea. just does it have to do it all ON FILES???
[12:21] <BUGabundo> why not a DB?
[12:21] <BUGabundo> oops
[12:21] <BUGabundo> wrong tip
[12:21] <BUGabundo> yofel: Open ccsm -> Choose category Utility -> Workarounds -> [x] Force synchronisation between X and GLX
[12:21] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: GSettings over dcons will use some kind of db
[12:22] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: not the default of Ubuntu, right?
[12:22] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: it will be once it gets upstream to gtk+
[12:22] <kklimonda> dconf*
[12:22] <yofel> BUGabundo: I already have that enabled
[12:23] <simba_> yey.....gnome-do and UNR plays well together.
[12:23] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: and files as a storage are safer than db in some cases (for example over nfs). dunno how it's going to be resolved in gsettings/dconf though..
[12:23] <BUGabundo> simba_: as long as your gpu supports composite
[12:23] <BUGabundo> its all fine
[12:24] <BUGabundo> lunc
[12:24] <BUGabundo> bbl
[12:31] <dupondje> damn
[12:31] <dupondje> Flash Player 10 = Disaster :(
[12:58] <dupondje> howto remove flash playere in ubuntu :(
[13:00] <simba_> installed with apt?
[13:01] <yofel> dupondje: apt-get purge flashplugin-* and check that you don't have on in .mozilla/plugins/
[13:02] <dupondje> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin.
[13:02] <dupondje> update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for iceape-flashplugin.
[13:09] <yofel> ...
[13:09] <yofel> trying out UNR was a bad idea
[13:09] <yofel> I got rid of it with aptitude
[13:09] <kklimonda> dupondje: I'm pretty sure I've helped someone with the same issue yesterday
[13:09] <yofel> but the windows still get maximized on launch *-.-
[13:09] <kklimonda> where do you guys get those packages from ? :P
[13:10] <yofel> anyone an idea how to get rid of that?
[13:14] <gnomefreak> dupondje: its a known issue
[13:16] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: its our package that has the bug. its the update-alternatives bug. you should beable to cd into that file (dont remember where) nad remove flash file and start over. nevermind about the u-a file that was gnash i was thinking of but flash has same issue
[13:17] <gnomefreak> yofel: workaround is on the bug report (cant recall the number though
[13:17] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: btw, as you are here and I remember - are you still working on getting firegpg into archive?
[13:18] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: sort of. ive been tied up with a few more important things. if i get time ill update it for my PPA but thats not looking good for this cycle
[13:18] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: what has to be done to even think about it?
[13:19] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: can you package?
[13:20] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: yes
[13:21] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: join me in #ubuntu-mozillateam and i will get you some info to maybe help you or if i get done with todays work fast eough ill trow it together shouldnt take more than 20 minutes to update it
[13:26] <yofel> ok... fixed by removing maximus
[13:26] <yofel> why aren't the packages that are pulled in by ubuntu-* not marked as 'pulled in as dependency' anyway?
[13:29] <yofel> well, lunch. bbl
[13:36]  * aboSamoor banshee upstream team has a quick response, I hope that alsa have the same
[13:39] <Hobbsee> yofel: remove maximus
[13:40] <yofel> Hobbsee: thx, but I found that out already ;) 14:26:07 < yofel> ok... fixed by removing maximus
[13:43] <Hobbsee> ah
[13:43] <yofel> hm, any way to fix g-p-m showing me an 'empty-battery-with-red-x' icon all the time?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[14:17] <jonathonf> hey
[14:18] <yofel> hi BluesKaj
[14:18] <oldude67> morning all
[14:18] <jonathonf> afternoon ;)
[14:20] <BluesKaj> hi yofel, oldude67, jonathonf
[14:39] <legend2440> what is the cli command i can use to upgrade from jaunty to koala?
[14:39] <jonathonf> safest is to use update-manager -d, but that's a gui app
[14:40] <legend2440> jonathonf: yes thats the one. i couldnt remember it. thanks
[14:40] <jonathonf> :)
[14:48] <oldude67> ugh this might take a while...got tired of trying to run 9.10 in vbox..(not enough memory) so this dist upgrade is going to be like an hour, will it use the newest kernel or will it load all the old ones as well too?
[14:49] <jonathonf> you'll have the new one
[14:50] <oldude67> well dont know if that will be a blessing or a nightmare it seems to run fine on this machine in vbox but last time i had it installed it made the intel video crap.
[14:51] <oldude67> oh well guess ill find out here in about an hour..lol
[14:52] <jonathonf> mm, there were issues with intel graphics, though i think most have been fixed with the new kernel (.31) and newest intel drivers
[14:52] <jonathonf> lol
[14:52] <jonathonf> you should also check the x-swat ppa which has stable X and video driver updates
[14:53] <oldude67> well i think it was the 2.6.31-3 kernel that made my intel video screw the 2.6.31-2 was ok tho
[14:53] <jonathonf> right
[14:59] <yofel> grmbl... that nvidia random-suspend bug is annoying -.-
[14:59] <BUGabundo> hey ehy
[15:01] <zer0x> Hi all, is anyone here running karmic on an eee pc?
[15:02] <Emme_NK_> zer0x: yes, on an eee pc 900
[15:02] <BUGabundo> zer0x: yeah some are
[15:02] <yofel> <- 1000H
[15:02] <zer0x> Emme_NK_: ah :) is it complaining about 1% battery capacity?
[15:03] <zer0x> still getting used to this teeeeny keyboard :/
[15:03] <Emme_NK_> no, only sometimes it "forgets" to update
[15:03] <Emme_NK_> I pull the plug, and it still thinks I
[15:03] <Emme_NK_> am on AC
[15:04] <zer0x> oh, on my 900 it seemed fine in live, but now I've installed to ssd its keeps warning me about low capacity, the battery is fine however :/
[15:04] <Emme_NK_> and the battery charge prediction does not work, it only reports in 10%-steps
[15:04] <nemo> I decided to try updating to karmic on a non-critical laptop
[15:04]  * BUGabundo has a 13.3" pseudo netbook
[15:04] <nemo> the upgrade did not go smoothly...
[15:04] <zer0x> Emme_NK_: I guess i'll just ignore it for the moment :) these darn 900's lose there charge whilst turned off also :(
[15:05] <Emme_NK_> mine does not
[15:05] <nemo> anyway, I thought I finally had everything sorted out - but it appears, and this is just a guess, that karmic is still using an older version of grub
[15:05] <jonathonf> my 701 does :S
[15:05] <nemo> 'cause my grub config appears to have been screwed up
[15:05] <Emme_NK_> I was afraid of it before I got the eee, but looks like I am lucky
[15:05] <nemo> (my grub2 config)
[15:05] <zer0x> oh? I was under the impression the celeron chip was the culprit, wish I had the 900A :/
[15:06] <nemo> anyway. thinking I might as well just reinstall. which brings me to my questions
[15:06] <nemo> 1) Is it worth filing a bug chronicling my failures at this point? or is it likely this will all be ironed out over next few months
[15:06] <nemo> 2) If I download a karmic nightly and reinstall, do I have to worry about $HOME?
[15:06] <zer0x> at least the intel issues are fixed in karmic :)
[15:07] <jonathonf> 2) no need to worry
[15:07] <Hobbsee> zer0x: they're completely fixed now?  nice!
[15:07] <Hobbsee> might have to try that
[15:07] <Emme_NK_> zer0x: maybe the battery draining issue depends on the BIOS version. I have 0601
[15:07] <Hobbsee> nemo: you'd be better going for the last alpha
[15:07] <zer0x> Hobbsee: I believe so, compiz is very smooth, it was horrendous on 9.04
[15:08] <zer0x> Emme_NK_: very good point, I have not updated this one yet
[15:08] <Hobbsee> no screen suddenly going black?
[15:08] <zer0x> Emme_NK_: is the update possible via linux?
[15:08] <Emme_NK_> AFAIK there's some tool for linux, I don't know. It came with this version
[15:08] <nemo> alrighty
[15:08] <nemo> guess I'll pull a build then
[15:08] <nemo> oh. also, the installer won't get confused, will it? :)
[15:09] <yofel> the only intel problems I have in karmic now are that the driver refuses to work with an external monitor and more than 640x480 :/
[15:09] <nemo> well. guess I'll find out
[15:09] <zer0x> ahh, just praying its not a windows only .exe update! eww :)
[15:09] <jonathonf> zer0x, someone made a bootable USB image that automates the BIOS update; you can even select the version you want
[15:09] <jonathonf> though it's been a while since i've messed with my eee
[15:09] <BUGabundo> hey Hobbsee
[15:09] <Hobbsee> yofel: oh, don't mirror the screen.
[15:09] <zer0x> jonathonf: sounds good, any idea where I can find it?
[15:09] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: heya!
[15:10] <jonathonf> i'll dig out the link, hang on
[15:10] <zer0x> jonathonf: cheers very much :)
[15:10] <yofel> Hobbsee: if I try to *not* mirror it I get only garbage :(
[15:10] <jonathonf> zer0x: http://downloads.k0k0.de/index.php?dir=EeePC%2F
[15:10] <jonathonf> loads of stuff in there
[15:11] <Hobbsee> yofel: ah.  Does the intel driver even support getting up to that high resolution with an external monitor?
[15:11] <zer0x> jonathonf: thanks, much appreciated :)
[15:12] <yofel> Hobbsee: I didn't try every possible resolution that I had in the Display options. It would have taken too much time since I had to kill X every time...
[15:12] <zer0x> cant press both mouse buttons on eee :/
[15:12] <Hobbsee> yofel: i was thinking you'd try jsut the largest
[15:12] <yofel> I'll try again once I get the time for that
[15:12]  * BUGabundo gives a free tip to yofel : $ xrandr --auto
[15:13]  * yofel makes a note of that
[15:14] <Hobbsee> yofel: oh, adn the other trick is to turn off the first monitor, and  just use the external
[15:14] <yofel> Hobbsee: and how do I do that? or do you mean turn off in bios?
[15:14] <Hobbsee> x seems happier that way
[15:14] <Hobbsee> yofel: in display properties
[15:15] <zer0x> this eee keyboard is going to take some getting used to!
[15:15] <yofel> ok, I'll report back as soon as I get to try it :)
[15:15] <zer0x> thanks for your help all :) bb
[15:16] <Hobbsee> yofel: fwiw, intel drivers don't handle external monitors particulalry brilliantly, but you should be able to make ti work at all
[15:17]  * aboSamoor the banshee database migration bug fixed :-D, dancing with banshee on the edge
[15:17] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: and its worse when the resolution of the extrenal is bigger then the internal
[15:17] <BUGabundo> some how it doesn't have enough BW for it
[15:17] <Hobbsee> yep
[15:17] <BUGabundo> the 2nd controler must be worse or less powerful
[15:18] <Hobbsee> in which case, you'd wonder why you'd bother
[15:19] <oldude67> that really dont make sense.
[15:19] <BUGabundo> oldude67: what doesn't?
[15:20] <oldude67> like he said why bother.
[15:20] <BUGabundo> he is a _she_
[15:20] <oldude67> oops sorry
[15:21] <BUGabundo> not that she likes to be the spotlight
[15:21] <oldude67> now is that with all video adapters or certain ones?
[15:21] <Hobbsee> i presume all
[15:21] <Hobbsee> i only tried with one
[15:23] <BUGabundo> from intel, all I've used
[15:23] <BUGabundo> ati is very sensitive on that
[15:23] <BUGabundo> and even on nvidia as very poor external outputs on _most_ cards
[15:23] <BUGabundo> or maybe its bad drivers
[15:24] <oldude67> im assuming this is with laptop issues right?
[15:24] <BUGabundo> correct
[15:25] <BUGabundo> most desktops have much better output
[15:25] <BUGabundo> since, well, they don't have embed lcds :)
[15:25] <BUGabundo> so if they support dual head, both exits are similar in bandwith
[15:25] <oldude67> sorry im being so nosy im going to be getting a laptop here soon and i am just wondering what im getting myself into..lol
[15:26] <Hobbsee> oldude67: are you plannin to connect it up to a second monitor?
[15:26] <BUGabundo> right. this is just a question for multimonitor
[15:26] <oldude67> yeah i was thinking about it, but it sounds like it would be a waste of time.
[15:26] <BUGabundo> look don't be scare. my nvidia 8400 18 month old
[15:26] <BUGabundo> can run compiz at 90FPS on a lcd 1280+ external at higher reso
[15:27] <BluesKaj> oldude67, make sure you get a lappy with nvidia graphics , intel and ati to a lesser degree are troublesome to get set up
[15:27] <BUGabundo> OTOH I can get from 200 to 300FPS on a single LCD :D
[15:27] <BUGabundo> BluesKaj: not so true with newer ATI cards
[15:27] <BUGabundo> the prob is that _they_ aren't supporting FLOSS drivers on older cards
[15:28] <BluesKaj> BUGabundo, good to hear ati is back in the game
[15:28] <BUGabundo> those are being done by community
[15:29] <Hobbsee> 1500 frames a second for compiz.  wow.
[15:29] <oldude67> well i have had several on board intel videos work well with ubuntu, and have heard nightmares about ati, but i have seen a lot of updates for ati here recently.
[15:29]  * BUGabundo shrugs looking at Hobbsee hardware
[15:30] <Hobbsee> (new nvidia card)
[15:30] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: what are you running on ?
[15:30] <BUGabundo> the new GX?
[15:30] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: 8800gt, 1920x1080
[15:30] <BUGabundo> one of those 280?
[15:30] <Hobbsee> nah, nothing tha tgood
[15:30] <BUGabundo> ahh the good old GT
[15:30] <BUGabundo> that's not _new_
[15:31] <jonathonf> what are you using to benchmark?
[15:31] <Hobbsee> i know.  But stacks better than the intel card in teh laptop
[15:31] <BUGabundo> jonathonf: I'm runnng compiz benchmark
[15:31] <Hobbsee> jonathonf: compiz has a plugin for it
[15:31] <BUGabundo> super+F12
[15:31] <jonathonf> cool
[15:31] <BUGabundo> but xgears is more accurer
[15:31] <jonathonf> lol
[15:32] <BUGabundo> EVERYONE: $ glxgears
[15:32] <jonathonf> bah, compiz isn't working at the minute
[15:32] <BUGabundo> 2685 frames in 5.0 seconds
[15:32] <jonathonf> 8658 in 5.0 seconds
[15:32] <Hobbsee> 7502.347 FPS
[15:33] <Hobbsee> wow, now it's going up
[15:33] <Hobbsee> 116709 frames in 5.0 seconds = 23341.680 FPS
[15:33] <BUGabundo> 781 frames in 5.0 seconds
[15:33] <BUGabundo> 970 frames in 5.0 seconds
[15:33] <BUGabundo> guys FULL SCREEN if you please
[15:33] <jonathonf> lol, ok
[15:33] <BUGabundo> not the smallish winwod
[15:33] <BUGabundo> LOL
[15:33] <oldude67> winwod...lol..:D
[15:33] <jonathonf> 1913 in 5 on 1280x1024
[15:34] <BUGabundo> kewl jonathonf
[15:34] <Hobbsee> 6232 frames in 5.0 seconds = 1246.373 FPS
[15:34]  * BUGabundo still can't believe Hobbsee values
[15:34] <BUGabundo> ahh those are more real
[15:34] <BUGabundo> ehe
[15:34] <BUGabundo> jonathonf: what are you running ?
[15:35] <jonathonf> 9600gt (acer 5930g) with 190.18, metacity+compositing
[15:35] <jonathonf> dual screen (1280x1024+1280x800)
[15:36] <BUGabundo> wait
[15:36] <BUGabundo> you did _that_ on multimonitor?
[15:36] <BUGabundo> damn
[15:36] <BUGabundo> that card SMOKES
[15:37] <Hobbsee> methinks BUGabundo is off to buy a new video card now
[15:37] <BUGabundo> no
[15:38] <BUGabundo> no more money spending this month
[15:38] <jonathonf> this laptop is one of the most under-appreciated models /ever/ and it was only in production for about 10 months
[15:38] <BUGabundo> got new 1,5T disk, case for it, and and Android G2
[15:38] <BUGabundo> better settle down on geek stuff for a month at least :p
[15:38] <SERE> i need a case!!! othervise i cant get linux box!!!
[15:39] <SERE> PLS give me a case
[15:39] <oldude67> ok installing upgrades..brb more coffee..lol
[15:40] <BUGabundo> oldude67: not many updates today
[15:40] <BUGabundo> just usual fta bots builds
[15:40] <BUGabundo> ff,chromium, gwibber
[15:44] <oldude67> BUGabundo, no im doing a whole dist upgrade. reinstalling 9.10 as base system again.not enough memory to run it in vbox
[15:45] <BUGabundo> eheh
[15:45] <BUGabundo> enough? 1G should do it!
[15:46] <oldude67> yeah well i only have 733 , and its just slow as snot
[15:46] <BUGabundo> it will be
[15:46] <BUGabundo> try xubuntu
[15:46] <jonathonf> crunchbang
[15:46] <BUGabundo> I bet charlie will apreciate
[15:46] <bjsnider> how is the gnome-volume-control applet that integrates pulse's applications list coming along?
[15:46] <BUGabundo> he needs more Xub testers
[15:46] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: like a car falling from a bridge
[15:47] <jonathonf> pavucontrol works quite nicely ;)
[15:47] <oldude67> that dont sound to good..lol
[15:47] <tgpraveen> BUGabundo: know whats the problem?
[15:47] <BUGabundo> jonathonf: well we don't bring pavucontrol on default do we ?
[15:48] <jonathonf> well, no...
[15:48] <BUGabundo> tgpraveen: other then mute on start up, stupid flat volume, can't listen to somehing on LOW volume (keeps self rizing)
[15:48] <bjsnider> pavucontrol is a second running app to do the same thing. that's why we want all of it in one app
[15:48] <BUGabundo> very low MAX volume (used to be able to be LOUDERD)
[15:49] <bjsnider> but the one i jaunty didn't have any alsa hardware controls, so it was junked
[15:49] <zer0x> Hi again, anyone getting widely variable performance with wifi on eee pc?
[15:49] <Tekno> yes
[15:49] <Tekno> crappy atheros
[15:50] <bjsnider> maybe the lbm package would improve it
[15:50] <zer0x> ahh, was it like that with the Xandros install also? I never tested it
[15:50] <BluesKaj> !info wicd
[15:51] <bjsnider> zer0x, the linux-backports-modules package will have a newer, probably better atheros driver than the one in the kernel
[15:52] <zer0x> bjsnider: ah, cheers :)
[15:52] <bjsnider> zer0x, i don't drink at 11AM
[15:52] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: not on karmi
[15:53] <zer0x> bjsnider: :P I've banned myself full stop! darn JD
[15:53] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, sir, why not, sir?
[15:53] <BUGabundo> afaik backports are only added after kernel freeze
[15:53] <BUGabundo> but I may be wrong
[15:53] <BUGabundo> too much from the kernel team eludes me
[15:54] <bjsnider> could be
[15:54] <tgpraveen> !info empathy
[15:54] <bjsnider> it's all john linville's fault
[15:55] <oldude67> omg 1 hour and 7 minutes for install, and it took 45 minutes down load..:(
[15:56] <BUGabundo> oldude67: ????
[15:56] <BUGabundo> I took 8 timed min to clean install this
[15:56] <BUGabundo> are you using a daily ?
[15:56] <bjsnider> ubuntu doesn't take an hour to install
[15:56] <oldude67> 9.10 on a celeron 2.4:(
[15:56] <BUGabundo> !daily > oldude67
[15:57] <bjsnider> he's probably got a bad image
[15:57] <oldude67> doing dist-upgrade from 9.04
[15:57] <zer0x> the install on this 900Mhz celeron took < 30 mins
[15:57] <bjsnider> why not just clean install?
[15:58] <oldude67> pictures
[15:58] <bjsnider> you didn't create a separate partition for /home?
[15:58] <zer0x> I better get this thing on ethernet before I start messing around with apt..
[15:58] <oldude67> nope i flubbed up.
[15:59] <bjsnider> nobody can tell me why ubuntu doesn't do that by default
[15:59] <oldude67> bjsnider, sure would be nice.
[15:59] <bjsnider> opensuse and fedora do
[15:59] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: tehre no *current* need to create a partition for /home
[15:59] <BUGabundo> I'm fighting that idea
[15:59] <bjsnider> oh come on
[15:59] <BUGabundo> no, you don't
[16:00] <BUGabundo> the installer is capble of removing the old one
[16:00] <bjsnider> there's no reason not to
[16:00] <BUGabundo> and install a new clean install
[16:00] <yofel> BUGabundo: there *is* a need for a /home partition on alpha at least
[16:00] <BUGabundo> without touching users files
[16:00] <BUGabundo> yofel: no
[16:00] <BUGabundo> there a need for BACKUPS
[16:00] <yofel> ok... you're right
[16:00] <bjsnider> yeah, lusers know how to do backups on linux
[16:00] <BUGabundo> I'm always :)
[16:00] <oldude67> <just needs to get a new flashdrive.:(
[16:00] <yofel> BUGabundo: haha :P
[16:03] <nemo> BTW, before going the reinstall route, I looked around to see if others were having same problem
[16:04] <nemo> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=497791
[16:04] <nemo> Looks like I had this issue
[16:04] <nemo> "search --fs-uuid"
[16:04] <nemo> I manually booted (since for some reason ctrl-x wasn't working - had to type in from commandline) and now I guess I'll modify the menu.lst
[16:06]  * ccooke realises that it's two months to Karmic and he isn't running it yet. 
[16:06] <ccooke> Didn't realise work had been this busy :-/
[16:07] <ccooke> What's the status? Any serious gotchas (considering I usually update at least one system to Ubuntu+1 between two and three months before release)
[16:07] <oldude67> anyone know what the difference is between an intel celeron r 2.4 gig chip and an intel celeron d 2.4 chip is?
[16:09] <ccooke> oldude67: let's see - memory may be faulty, given it's a few years ago now, but IIRC Celeron D was the first(ish) 64-bit capable celeron
[16:09] <Tekno> based on pentium d
[16:09] <zer0x> Tekno: does your speed just fluctuate wildly? I just pulled a openbsd iso and the md5 checked out ok
[16:09] <bjsnider> they're both junk
[16:10] <BUGabundo> ccooke: its more close to 3 months
[16:10] <Tekno> zer0x: when close to AP, no proble
[16:10] <Tekno> but atheros is ;|
[16:11] <oldude67> ccooke, ty, and bjsnider your quite right about that too.
[16:11] <zer0x> ah, can the card be replaced in these things?
[16:11] <floating> anyone ever had a vibrating mouse pointer ? I just came home and returned to my pc to find out my mouse pointer is making some 5mm back and forth movement on my 19" screen
[16:12] <floating> oaps, maybe that 19" is not really helpping in measurements.. some 1440x900 reso
[16:12] <ccooke> BUGabundo: True. I tend to ignore the actual release date and go for 2-3 months before the version number.
[16:12] <floating> whatever ,but kinda funny :P
[16:13] <Tekno> zer0x: its possible to replace yes
[16:13] <floating> but it is irritating my eyes to watch it, maybe i should restart x
[16:13] <floating> but i wouldnt be able to maybe debug this while it is still happening ?
[16:14] <ccooke> oldude67: I'm failing to recall the celeron r. Is it possible someone'e seeing the (R)egistered mark and stripping the brackets?
[16:14] <zer0x> Tekno: ah, good :)
[16:20] <oldude67> ccooke, sorry was trying to bring up sysinfo but in the middle of dist-upgrade and its being a pain..ill let you know what it says when its done.
[16:20] <ccooke> fun.
[16:21] <oldude67> its the chip im using right now.
[16:23] <oldude67> ccooke, and i think your right i think its the (r)egistered mark..
[16:31] <BUGabundo> brb pidgin restart
[16:33] <jonathonf> is pidgin any good for irc? i've used xchat for years...
[16:34] <BUGabundo> its the only one I manage to use joakim-
[16:34] <BUGabundo> *jonathonf
[16:34] <jonathonf> ah, ok
[16:34] <jonathonf> :P
[16:35] <zer0x> Tekno: does your microphone work on karmic?
[16:37] <jonathonf|pidgin> this doesn't look too bad, actually
[16:40] <BUGabundo> zer0x: it used to
[16:41] <zer0x> BUGabundo: not checked recently? I've played with alsamixer but no luck so far..
[16:52] <BUGabundo> yofel: what was that nice way to add a ppa?
[16:52] <BUGabundo> wanna test it now
[16:52] <jonathonf> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1213538
[16:52] <BUGabundo> $ man add-apt-repository
[16:52] <BUGabundo> No manual entry for add-apt-repository
[16:53] <BUGabundo> thanks jonathonf
[16:53] <jonathonf> gotta love the awesome bar :D
[16:54] <BUGabundo> yep
[16:54] <BUGabundo> can't leave without it
[16:56] <BUGabundo> jonathonf: how does it get the proper dist release?
[16:57] <jonathonf> ?
[16:57] <jonathonf> i think it's only supposed to be used for adding PPAs
[16:59] <BUGabundo> sure
[16:59] <BUGabundo> but ppas have several releases
[16:59] <BUGabundo> karmic, jaunty, ibex, etc
[16:59] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/azureus/+bug/321922
[17:01] <jonathonf> it looks like it does it automatically
[17:01] <jonathonf> just tried it with sudo add-apt-repository ppa:exaile-devel
[17:01] <jonathonf> it added a new .list in /etc/apt/sources.list.d for karmic
[17:02] <yofel> BUGabundo: it's just a python script that calls the software-properties functions, and I think software-properties should know which release you're using ^^
[17:04] <BUGabundo> sure
[17:05] <BUGabundo> unless you are runnign debian ^^
[17:05] <BUGabundo> jonathonf: better use the bzr directly
[17:05] <BUGabundo> ppa is outdated for devel
[17:05] <jonathonf> ok, was just a test taken from the forum ;)
[17:06] <nemo> yay. everything seems to be under control
[17:06] <nemo> I think maybe the upgrade was confused that I was already on grub2
[17:07] <nemo> reran the grub legacy updater, ditched the menu.lst and life is back to normal
[17:07] <nemo> BTW, why the heck can I no longer manipulate individual channels in the gnome sound config?
[17:07] <nemo> that's really frustrating when I want to mute/unmute/adjust volume on individual channels
[17:08] <nemo> heck. I can't even figure out how to switch between which one controls main volume - which is useful if I plug external speakers into the laptop mic port
[17:08] <SeveredCross> nemo: Because PulseAudio lolves you.
[17:08] <zer0x> ah, the mic does work.. just had to change the input in alsamixer :)
[17:08] <SeveredCross> nemo: Try pavucontrol, though you may not have better luck.
[17:08] <nemo> yes
[17:08] <nemo> I ended up using alsamixer
[17:08] <nemo> I'm just annoyed the main tool ditched this
[17:08] <nemo> one more thing to confuse users
[17:08] <EagleScreen> hello, is it possible to change the appareance of KDE3 applications?
[17:09] <SeveredCross> nemo: The idea is that PulseAudio will work well enough for everyone.
[17:09] <SeveredCross> Unfortunately, Pulse completely stinks up my system.
[17:09] <zer0x> why dont all the options in alsamixer show up in the sound preferences gui?
[17:09] <SeveredCross> zer0x: Because the sound preferences UI is based off PulseAudio, not ALSA.
[17:09] <zer0x> ah :)
[17:09] <nemo> SeveredCross: ... and... pulseaudio will automagically know which input channel I'm wanting?
[17:10] <coz_> EagleScreen,   what do you mean change their appearance?    window borders  and such?
[17:10] <SeveredCross> nemo: People would like to think so.
[17:10] <SeveredCross> Me, I think PulseAudio's created more problems than it's ever solved for me.
[17:10] <nemo> SeveredCross: in that case it failed at it :-/
[17:10] <EagleScreen> yes, coz_, but fonts size overall
[17:10] <nemo> I wonder if the folks who made that gui actually consulted the features of the old tool
[17:11] <coz_> EagleScreen,  yes it is possible  but  I dont have kde installed right now  but I believe if you go into system settings  what you have mentioned is possible from there  or   go into the #kde  channel and ask about the locations of certain settings :)
[17:13]  * zer0x is happy with karmic eee pc now :D
[17:13] <nemo> ok. now to see if I can get emifreqd-applet back
[17:13] <nemo> I really liked that applet
[17:14] <nemo> I did chance some of the images so it worked better w/ my 20px gnome panel, but otherwise.
[17:14] <nemo> s/chance/change/
[17:23] <zer0x> quick question, can i halt but not automatically power off? the halt command powers off by default..
[17:25] <zer0x> I want to leave the machine in a safe state for the battery to discharge
[17:25] <jpds> zer0x: Suspend it?
[17:25] <zer0x> jpds: is that safe? will the disk be left in a clean state etc?
[17:26] <zer0x> on openbsd if i issue 'halt' it halts but stays on, only a 'halt -p' will actually power the machine off
[17:27] <zer0x> but on ubuntu a 'halt' seems to power off also :/
[17:30] <zer0x> aha...
[17:30] <zer0x> /etc/default/halt ... halt or poweroff, looks promising :)
[17:32]  * lupine_85 wonders if his new sansa fuze is crap, or if the i/o schedular needs some work
[17:32] <nemo> hm. I don't care for the new user switch applet either. old one was more convenient
[17:33] <lupine_85> The I/O (KDE4) keeps stalling. most weird
[18:01] <Machtin> hm.. why is there no newer nvidia-driver-version available? :o
[18:02] <jonathonf> newer than what?
[18:02] <Machtin> 180
[18:03] <jonathonf> i'm running 190.18
[18:03] <jonathonf> though that's from a ppa
[18:04] <Machtin> hmm
[18:04] <scizzo-> 185.18.31 is the latest from the nvidia site
[18:04] <jonathonf> though if you're running from the karmic repo you should have 185
[18:04] <scizzo-> 185.18.14 is the one in the repos
[18:04] <jonathonf> 190.18 is the latest beta
[18:04] <jonathonf> ah, ok
[18:05] <scizzo-> sorry...correction...latest stable
[18:05] <Machtin> hm. strange.
[18:05] <scizzo-> Machtin: why is that strange?
[18:05] <Machtin> cause i can't find 185 in the repos
[18:05] <yofel> Machtin: it's called 180 but you get 185
[18:05] <Machtin> oh, i see.
[18:06] <yofel> wrong label
[18:06] <jonathonf> $ apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-180
[18:06] <jonathonf> Candidate: 185.18.14-0ubuntu3
[18:06] <BUGabundo> scizzo-: please don't run drivers direclty from nvidia site.
[18:06] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: I am not
[18:06] <Machtin> okay, got it.
[18:06] <BUGabundo> uff
[18:06] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: I was making a difference between ubuntu repos and website announced version
[18:06] <BUGabundo> right
[18:07] <scizzo-> BUGabundo: if that is wrong of me then I am sorry
[18:07] <BUGabundo> no no
[18:07] <BUGabundo> its all fine
[18:09] <Machtin> any possibility to add 190 to the repos in a sensible way?
[18:10] <jonathonf> it's beta, so no :(
[18:10] <Machtin> ok
[18:10] <Machtin> guess i'll live with that one bug then.
[18:10] <jonathonf> you can get them from a ppa though
[18:11] <Machtin> dunno what a ppa is, to be honest..
[18:11] <jonathonf> !ppa
[18:11] <Machtin> ah.. hm.
[18:11] <jonathonf> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas
[18:11] <Machtin> nah, rather not.. i can wait, i guess
[18:12] <penguin42> is anyone else having problems post resume with monitor mirroring when they shouldn't be?
[18:12] <jonathonf> https://edge.launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa is probably the best bet, plus it gets vdpau acceleration
[18:12] <FloridaGuy> is there a netinstall cd for 9.10....i always have trouble with ubuntu live cd..or the alternate.....never have trouble with netinstall
[18:14] <BUGabundo> jonathonf: is that official team ?
[18:14] <BUGabundo> FloridaGuy: yes
[18:14] <BUGabundo> !netinstall
[18:14] <jonathonf> BUGabundo: I think so
[18:14] <BUGabundo> FloridaGuy: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/netboot/
[18:14] <FloridaGuy> thanks
[18:15] <BUGabundo> jonathonf: I only know those of the xquasher and edgers
[18:15] <nemo> grr. the User Switch Applet 1) appears to be lacking the switch to "guest"  2) Seems to be missing the minimal icon option that there was in Jaunty - where you just saw a little icon of people
[18:15] <nemo> might be a completely different applet is why, but still means it is wasting precious space
[18:16]  * nemo removes it
[18:16]  * BUGabundo tries to find who brandonsnider is
[18:16] <jonathonf> BUGabundo: he's lurking in here, bjsnider
[18:16] <BUGabundo> ah
[18:16] <bjsnider> want me for something?
[18:17] <BUGabundo> since the Nvidia Vdpau Team is a ONE man team
[18:17] <bjsnider> currently
[18:17] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: we were talking about vdpau apps
[18:17] <bjsnider> at some point avenard will join
[18:17] <bjsnider> when i can persuade him
[18:17] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: any warning before I add your PPA?
[18:18] <FloridaGuy> ubuntu 8.04 is great...been playing with mandriva 2010 alpha 1 and 2 that been pretty good..so lets see how ubuntu 9.10 alpha3 is
[18:18] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, no, it should be fine on karmic
[18:18] <nemo> I think the most annoying part so far is the mucked up volume control :-/
[18:18] <nemo> I mean I can use alsamixer, but still
[18:18] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, i get almost daily bug reports and requests, so it must be popular-like
[18:18] <BUGabundo> ok
[18:19] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you can't use the 190 driver if you wantt o use the vdpau stuff
[18:19] <bjsnider> it's all built against the 185 driver currently
[18:19] <bjsnider> the 190 driver is for basic testing only
[18:20] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: that's what I have
[18:20] <nemo> http://packages.ubunut.com/us/karmic/emifreq-applet - and this. I miss this :-/  ah well.
[18:20] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, the 190 driver?
[18:20]  * BUGabundo puts $ sudo add-apt-repository ppa:nvidia-vdpau/ppa to the test
[18:20] <BUGabundo> 180
[18:21] <bjsnider> ok
[18:21] <bjsnider> you can try smplayer right away. no config necessary
[18:21] <BUGabundo> mplayer too?
[18:21] <bjsnider> actually you still might have to blank out the screenshots directory
[18:21] <FloridaGuy> what kernel is alpha3 useing....in mandriva 2010 alpha2 im in 2.6.31 rc5.2
[18:21] <bjsnider> mplayer will require some tinkering
[18:22] <jonathonf> FloridaGuy: .31-rc4, -rc5 is coming
[18:22] <yofel> FloridaGuy: right now 2.6.31-4 (based on -rc4)
[18:22] <BUGabundo> didn't know smplayer
[18:22] <BUGabundo> FloridaGuy: -5 is buildign as we speek
[18:22] <BUGabundo> errr
[18:22] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, smplayer is stupendously good
[18:22] <BUGabundo> 4 replies? poor guy
[18:22] <yofel> FloridaGuy: 2.6.31-5 is coming today or tomorrow (based on -rc5)
[18:22] <jonathonf> BUGabundo: it's built, it's just waiting for approval
[18:22] <jonathonf> lol
[18:23] <jonathonf> i've downloaded it from launchpad and installed it manually just to be cheecky :D
[18:23] <mac_v> how do i check if my system has openGL capabilities?
[18:23] <bjsnider> mac_v, glxinfo from the command prompt
[18:23] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be upgraded:  libx264-67 mplayer mplayer-nogui
[18:23] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: why didn't it suggest nvidia too ?
[18:24] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, because my driver is called 185, not 180. it is available in the repository
[18:24] <FloridaGuy> ok...netinstall iso burnt....now time to go for install.....if it works see everyone in about 30..40 min
[18:24] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I have it installed already
[18:24] <bjsnider> i've got this crazyidea that 185 isn't the same thing as 180
[18:24] <BUGabundo> shouldn't your replace it or something ?
[18:25] <bjsnider> if you ask to install the 185 from the ppa it will yank out the 180 first
[18:25] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy nvidia-glx-180  Installed: 185.18.14-0ubuntu3
[18:25] <bjsnider> that's not the latest
[18:25] <nemo> sweet. the jaunty package for emifreq applet still works fine.
[18:25] <bjsnider> 185.18.31 is
[18:26] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: thats what my apt-cache sees
[18:26] <xtknight> can others confirm bug 408054 please?
[18:26] <BUGabundo> doesn't even show your repo entry in there
[18:26] <bjsnider> look for nvidia-glx-185
[18:26] <mac_v> bjsnider: my glxinfo > http://paste.ubuntu.com/244276/ seems my system is capable , but when i run cairo dock opengl version, i have weird artefacts!
[18:26] <BUGabundo> nvidia-glx-185:  Installed: (none)
[18:26] <BUGabundo>   Candidate: 185.18.31-0ubuntu1~karmic~ppa1     185.18.31-0ubuntu1~karmic~ppa1 0
[18:26] <bjsnider> there you  go
[18:26] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: so should I go with 185 or keep archive 180 ?
[18:27] <bjsnider> install the 185
[18:27] <bjsnider> right now
[18:27] <jonathonf> lol
[18:27] <BUGabundo> don't BOSS me!
[18:27] <BUGabundo> :p
[18:27] <mac_v> bjsnider: am i using wrong driver or something?
[18:27] <bjsnider> you axed
[18:27] <jonathonf> i'd install 190 just to be awkward :P
[18:27] <DanaG> odd... I left my system on overnight... and now everything is all laggy.
[18:28] <BUGabundo> gonna grab something to eat. brb
[18:28] <bjsnider> mac_v, what are youtrying to run?
[18:28] <mac_v> bjsnider: cairo dock version2
[18:28] <bjsnider> and what happens?
[18:29] <jonathonf> woot, Katich is out!
[18:29] <mac_v> wait i'll get a screenshot
[18:29] <bjsnider> no, just tell me
[18:29] <jonathonf> sorry, that would mean more if i'd typed it into #ubuntu-uk
[18:30] <bjsnider> his first problem is he's using an ATI card
[18:30] <yofel> bjsnider: whats the difference between nvidia-settings and nvidia-settings-185?
[18:31] <bjsnider> yofel, at the time i built that package i thought there might be a lot of difference, so i created a new package for it. in truth, there isn't much difference
[18:31] <bjsnider> but hey, you dribble & you shoot
[18:31] <yofel> (or: why does nvidia-glx-185 suggest nvidia-settings and not nvidia-settings-185?)
[18:31] <yofel> ah, ok
[18:32] <mac_v> bjsnider: ah... the background just turns *black* when i hover over it >  http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1325768/Screenshot-3.png
[18:32] <bjsnider> his second problem is he's using an ATI card
[18:32] <bjsnider> mac_v, find a guy named alex deucher. tell him his driver sucks.
[18:32] <jonathonf> lol
[18:32] <bjsnider> no, disregard that.
[18:32] <mac_v> hehe ... no solution other than that?
[18:32] <penguin42> always a good way to get stuff fixed :-)
[18:32] <bjsnider> purchase an nvidia card
[18:33] <mac_v> ah ha ;p
[18:33] <bjsnider> mac_v, have you tried gnome-do with docky as an alternative?
[18:33] <DanaG> Heh, I actually switched to ATI because I was sick of all the nvidia crap I had dealt with.  For now, ATI has DIFFERENT crap to deal with... but at least the specs are open.
[18:34] <mac_v> bjsnider: ah i did , didnt have as many options as cairo dock ,
[18:34] <bjsnider> what nvidia crap, you mean hardware-accelerated opengl 3.1+?
[18:34] <mac_v> but the non-opengl version works fine
[18:34] <bjsnider> but did it work?
[18:34] <bjsnider> awn doesn't use opengl. maybe that would be better for you.
[18:35] <DanaG> No, I mean like the whole damn screen going *BLINK*      *BLINK*     *BLINK*
[18:35] <bjsnider> you've got an old junk mobile chip right?
[18:35] <DanaG> Granted, that bug got fixed a while ago, but my choice was partly a matter of principles, too.
[18:35] <DanaG> The one that did the blinking was a Go 7600.
[18:35] <bjsnider> ok
[18:36] <mac_v> tried awn too , but cairo allows the dock on top , its just that the openGL version has so much more bling , flet i was missing out ;p
[18:36] <bjsnider> the 8k/9k/gtx/gts series will work like gangbusters
[18:36] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and I ALSO have a spare, rarely-used laptop ("toshitba") that has a "1 + 1 = 4 (MX)!" card.
[18:36] <DanaG> And the nvidia binary on that.... just segfaults.
[18:37] <bjsnider> time to throw it out
[18:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and it also has an ipw2200.... actually works worse than B43 ever has, for me.
[18:37] <bjsnider> mac_v, can you swap video cards or is it a laptop?
[18:37] <DanaG> ipw2200:  firmware error, restarting.
[18:37] <DanaG> ipw2200:  firmware error, restarting.
[18:37] <DanaG> ... and so on.
[18:37] <mac_v> unfortunately laptop :(
[18:38] <mac_v> bjsnider: what package do i file a bug against?
[18:38] <bjsnider> DanaG, does broadcom have any linux drivers at all in the kernel?
[18:38] <DanaG> I think B43 is in-kernel, but the firmware is non-distributable.
[18:38] <DanaG> That restriction never made any sense to me.
[18:38] <bjsnider> mac_v, i don't know what it's called in the repos, but it's xf86-video-ati in xorg
[18:39] <DanaG> I mean, fine, don't open-source it, whatever.  But why the **** would you not allow people to distribute the closed-source-anyway firmware?
[18:39] <bjsnider> i think it's just called the radeon driver
[18:39] <mac_v> ah... ok ,i'll check
[18:39] <bjsnider> DanaG, wait. i thought you were an open-source activist?
[18:39] <bjsnider> otherwise why switch away from nvidia?
[18:39] <DanaG> Well, I'm griping about the ipw2200 sucking so badly.
[18:40] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: The following NEW packages will be installed:  nvidia-185-kernel-source{a} nvidia-185-libvdpau{a} nvidia-glx-185 smplayer smplayer-themes{a} smplayer-translations{a}
[18:40] <BUGabundo> The following packages will be REMOVED:  nvidia-180-kernel-source{a} nvidia-180-libvdpau{a} nvidia-glx-180{a}
[18:40] <bjsnider> why is the radeon driver still only on opengl 1.4?
[18:40] <DanaG> The only opengl thing I use in Linux is compiz.  =þ
[18:40] <BUGabundo> so its seems I alreaduy add vdpau
[18:40] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, you did
[18:41] <bjsnider> ubuntu is slow tp update the driver though. yours is two point releases out of date
[18:41] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: and jockey doesn't even sugest that driver for my card
[18:41] <bjsnider> what card?
[18:41] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: was that for me ?
[18:41] <bjsnider> yep
[18:41] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: 8400m G
[18:42] <BUGabundo> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400M G] (rev a1)
[18:42] <bjsnider> it will show up in jockey after the modaliases package is in there
[18:42] <BUGabundo> ok
[18:42] <mac_v> bjsnider: there are 2 installed > xserver-xorg-video-ati   ,  xserver-xorg-video-raedon  , description says " This package is built from the X.org xf86-video-ati driver module." for both ? so i file against both?
[18:42] <BUGabundo> updating
[18:42] <bjsnider> mac_v, i guess
[18:42] <mac_v> ok... thanx
[18:42] <bjsnider> i don't think fglrx works on that card anymore
[18:43] <bjsnider> i don't think fglrx works at all
[18:43] <DanaG> oh yeah, one of my friends has a Dell XPS M1330, and has had the soldered-on GPU fail twice in the past year or so.
[18:44] <DanaG> Too bad Ubuntu doesn't use fbcondecor.  :=þ
[18:45] <Adapter> hi @all
[18:45] <penguin42> hi
[18:46] <DanaG> oh yeah, and the one time I tried and got KMS on my R600, it was awesome.
[18:46] <jonathonf> hey
[18:46] <DanaG> Bummer it couldn't do EXA and KMS at the same time.
[18:46] <Adapter> whats with usb on akoya a bug?
[18:46] <DanaG> akoya?  whazzat?
[18:46] <Adapter> :)
[18:46] <Adapter> MSI
[18:46] <Adapter> Netbook
[18:47] <Adapter> no usb after update
[18:48] <BUGabundo> Adapter: prob a kernel bug
[18:48] <BUGabundo> have you rebooted ?
[18:48] <BUGabundo> or even tried and older kernel ?
[18:48] <Adapter> reboot ok no usb
[18:49] <Adapter> ahhh but older kernel was delete
[18:51] <BUGabundo> Adapter: FAIL
[18:51] <BUGabundo> never remove an older kernel
[18:51] <Adapter> :)
[18:51] <BUGabundo> always keep at least ONE
[18:51] <BUGabundo> nice to know that *now*, right?
[18:52] <DanaG> One reason I still use pidgin instead of Empathy: far, far far far far more of those useful plugens.
[18:52] <DanaG> plugions.
[18:52] <DanaG> argh, I cabn't type right now.
[18:52] <jonathonf> lol
[18:52] <jonathonf> plugeins?
[18:52]  * BUGabundo lends DanaG spell checker plugin
[18:52] <BUGabundo> DanaG: plguoes?
[18:52] <DanaG> spell-checker doesn't auto-fix.
[18:52] <jonathonf> plugginns?
[18:52] <Adapter> so i trie tomorrow a new hd and check again
[18:52] <BUGabundo> don't hit ENTER so fast then !
[18:52] <DanaG> ah, I need to move myself about an inch or so leftwards.
[18:53] <BUGabundo> DanaG: that has happened to me too
[18:53] <jonathonf> pidgin-otr is the key one for me
[18:53] <DanaG> Oh, and Empathy sucks at IRC.
[18:53] <DanaG> And I can't share Empathy logs with Windows; I can do this just fine with Pidgin.
[18:54] <BUGabundo> great
[18:54] <BUGabundo> new GPM is broken
[18:54] <BUGabundo> my LCD bright is jumping from 30% to 90%
[18:54] <BUGabundo> grrrr
[18:54] <DanaG> funky... the brightness-icon is offcenter.
[18:55] <DanaG> About 20% offcenter.
[18:55] <Adapter> ok by all thanks BUGabundo
[18:57] <yofel> hm, can it be that this new brightness notification thing is calculated relative to the display size?
[18:57] <yofel> it's freakin' huge here
[18:57] <DanaG> Same here.
[18:57] <DanaG> Same size as the volume thingy.
[18:58] <DanaG> I finally just decided to go ahead and ditch notify-osd.
[18:58] <DanaG> At least the old way doesn't LAAAAAG.
[18:59] <bjsnider> DanaG, other than that, you love empathy?
[18:59] <DanaG> nope.  Don't like it.
[18:59] <Shane_Fagan> I like it
[18:59] <DanaG> I use far too many features in Pidgin to ditch.
[19:00] <Shane_Fagan> but its ugly and has memory leaks
[19:00] <bjsnider> then what's to like about it?
[19:00] <Shane_Fagan> on 64bit on my computer it crashes a lot
[19:00] <bjsnider> sounds great
[19:00] <Shane_Fagan> I mean pidgin
[19:01] <bjsnider> ok
[19:01] <BUGabundo> DanaG: me too
[19:01] <Shane_Fagan> empathy is lacking in features but is stable enough and has a good ui
[19:01] <BUGabundo> I use around 50% of the available plugins
[19:01] <BUGabundo> #pidgin devs won't accept any bug from me
[19:01] <DanaG> buddy state notification, difftopic, slashexec, history, i'dle mak'er, ignore, irchelper, ircmore, markerline, message blocker (good for those damn aolsystemmsg), message notification, nautilus-integration, and psychic.
[19:01] <BUGabundo> I repos have old version of the plugin pack
[19:01] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, why is that?
[19:02] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the share-logs-with-Windows-version ability (via a symlink in .purple).
[19:03] <BUGabundo> DanaG: http://paste.ubuntu.com/244335/ pfff
[19:03] <DanaG> wow.
[19:04] <DanaG> showoffline is obsolete now, isn't it?  Feature has gone into pidgin itself, I seem to remember.
[19:05] <BUGabundo> yes it is
[19:05] <BUGabundo> is it still in there?
[19:05] <BUGabundo> LOL
[19:05] <BUGabundo> DanaG: there's a ppa with a current plugin pack version
[19:05] <BUGabundo> much better, fixed many mem leaks
[19:06] <BUGabundo> and crashed
[19:06] <DanaG> s/d/s/
[19:06] <DanaG> oops, bad replacement. =þ
[19:06] <DanaG> would give "ans crashed"
[19:06] <BUGabundo> eheheeh
[19:06] <jonathonf|xchatg> meh, plain xchat is better than xchat-gnome
[19:07] <DanaG> what's the name of the PPA?
[19:08] <BUGabundo> oh did I tell you guys my keyb shortcut keys are working again ?
[19:08] <BUGabundo> woot
[19:08] <BUGabundo> DanaG: searching
[19:09] <BUGabundo> gotta lova $ sudo !!
[19:09] <BUGabundo> DanaG: deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mbudde/ppa/ubuntu karmic main #purple-plugin-pack
[19:09] <BUGabundo> and deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/pidgin-developers/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[19:10] <DanaG> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:mbudde
[19:10] <DanaG> woot.
[19:10] <DanaG> s/o/0/g
[19:10] <jonathonf|irssi> mm, text-mode irc
[19:11] <BUGabundo> ahahahahahahahahahahahaa
[19:12] <BUGabundo> DanaG: its wonderful isn't ti?
[19:12] <BUGabundo> s/ti/it/
[19:17] <DanaG> ugh, deluge must be taking hints from Apple.
[19:17] <DanaG> In the "Files" pane, it's not F2 to rename and enter to open....
[19:17] <DanaG> it's enter to rename.
[19:17] <DanaG> :(
[19:20] <jonathonf> that's daft. enter should always be "open"
[19:20] <jonathonf> or accept
[19:21] <DanaG> Then you have OpenOffice, where pressing Enter in a dialog box... results in the button visually going down as if pressed..... and then it gets stuck.
[19:21] <DanaG> i.e. it's as if you clicked and held the button perpetually.
[19:22] <DanaG>       - autoprofile      - listlog      - colorize      - enhancedhist      - google      - msglen      - nomobility (not usable)      - splitter
[19:24] <DanaG> conversation badger....
[19:24] <DanaG> badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger MUSHROOM MUSHROOM
[19:24] <penguin42> hmm
[19:25] <jonathonf> badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger badger SNAKE it's a SNAKE is's a Slithering SNAKE
[19:25] <jonathonf> ?
[19:25] <jonathonf> everyone loves magical trevor, the tricks that he does are ever so clever
[19:25] <mac_v> 0.o
[19:25] <DanaG> there's no "slithering"
[19:25] <DanaG> SNAKE,  SNAKE,  Oh, it's a snake!
[19:26] <jonathonf> i've not worked out what that word is -.-;
[19:26] <DanaG> Too bad the audio and video get desynced.
[19:26] <DanaG> at least, that's what I get out of it.
[19:29] <BUGabundo> DanaG: my audio doesn't get out of sync
[19:29] <BUGabundo> video does!
[19:29] <BUGabundo> pauses and them fast fws
[19:29] <DanaG> I mean on that badger badger badger.
[19:29] <DanaG> the flash animation.
[19:29] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[19:29] <BUGabundo> out of context
[19:29] <DanaG> http://www.badgerbadgerbadger.com/
[19:29] <DanaG> oh, it's "badgers"
[19:29] <jonathonf> psk, i'm starting to doubt the power of google - "weebl badger badger transcript" doesn't find what i'm looking for...
[19:30] <DanaG> oh hey, they fixed the video.
[19:32] <DanaG> no, it does still desync after about 10 loops.
[19:32] <jonathonf> does leekspin ever de-sync?
[19:37]  * jonathonf wonders if anyone actually went and watched leekspin...
[19:38] <billybigrigger> !logs
[19:40]  * BUGabundo wonders how much of this is OT
[19:46] <billybigrigger> !sound
[19:46] <billybigrigger> this needs to be edited for +1
[19:47] <billybigrigger> 'Sound Preferences' has changed in karmic, and so has the steps to changing your output device
[19:48] <BUGabundo> change device? LOL
[19:48] <BUGabundo> you wish
[19:48] <billybigrigger> ?
[19:48] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: hi.
[19:48] <billybigrigger> howdy :)
[19:48] <BUGabundo> now try to change my MIC input source
[19:48] <BUGabundo> I dare you
[19:48] <BUGabundo> and have a cookie if you manage to :)
[19:49] <billybigrigger> does you mic show up in sound prefs Input tab?
[19:49] <billybigrigger> just change the profile
[19:49] <billybigrigger> or look in the Hardware tab
[19:49] <billybigrigger> i don't have a mic to test with :(
[19:51] <BUGabundo> what HW tab??
[19:53] <billybigrigger> http://www.thefrozencanuck.ca/photos/main.php?g2_itemId=150
[19:54] <billybigrigger> the hardware tab in sound prefs :)
[19:54] <billybigrigger> that hw tab
[19:54] <BUGabundo> I just have ONE card
[19:54] <BUGabundo> with built in mic, and another external
[19:55] <billybigrigger> as do i have 1 card
[19:55] <BUGabundo> ok
[19:55] <BUGabundo> then how do I change it ?
[19:55] <BUGabundo> it used to be so simple!!
[19:55] <billybigrigger> look in the profile
[19:55] <BUGabundo> output analog + intput analog stereo
[19:55] <billybigrigger> try Output Analog Stereo + Input Analog Stereo
[19:56] <BUGabundo> the only other input is digital
[19:56] <billybigrigger> try Input Digital?
[19:56] <BUGabundo> and I don't think that is it
[19:56] <BUGabundo> ok ok.... ill try it latter
[19:56] <DanaG> !info gamix
[19:56] <DanaG> install that.
[19:56] <BUGabundo> to lazy to fetch the mic now
[19:56] <DanaG> it'll give you the REAL mixer.
[19:56] <BUGabundo> DanaG: that's alsa. we want PA
[19:56] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, hehe
[19:56] <DanaG> Oh yeah, depending on the card, mic may be input-mono.
[19:56] <DanaG> Yeah, but the PA thingy doesn't have a mic-or-line switch.
[19:57] <BUGabundo> strangelly this laptop has TWO built in mics
[19:57] <DanaG> Array mic?
[19:57] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, i would just try and fool around with the profiles
[19:57] <billybigrigger> does any of them show your sound hardware?
[19:57] <DanaG> On my laptop, selecting "Microphone" uses internal if no external mic is connected.
[19:57] <billybigrigger> ie. my Output digital + input digital both show (IEC958)
[19:58] <DanaG> Audio Advantage Roadie (though Turtle Beach calls it "SRM") -- OUT Analog 7.1, IN Analog stereo.  Has stereo mic and stereo line.
[19:58] <DanaG> Internal Audio: in and out are analog stereo.
[19:58] <DanaG> RV635 Audio Device: I disable it.
[20:00] <DanaG> wow, if I open the Input pane and stretch the window, the number of boxes stays constant.
[20:00] <DanaG> It looks pretty ugly.  =þ
[20:02] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, im pretty sure you should be using both in/out as analog
[20:02] <billybigrigger> i don't know your laptop hardware but doubt it has digital input and outputs
[20:04] <BUGabundo> billybigrigger: right
[20:05] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-plugins/+bug/197957
[20:06] <billybigrigger> must shower, going to see my newborn nephew in the hospital today :)
[20:06] <billybigrigger> good day all
[20:09] <BUGabundo> hehe
[20:09] <BUGabundo> bye billybigrigger
[20:10] <BUGabundo> and who was the other guy whose kid was born last week?
[20:10] <BUGabundo> shiss worse memory ever
[20:11] <DanaG> speaker-test -c2 -Dhw:2
[20:11] <DanaG> Playback open error: -2,No such file or directory
[20:11] <BUGabundo> ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1433:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card
[20:19] <DanaG> card 2: HDMI [HDA ATI HDMI], device 3: ATI HDMI [ATI HDMI]
[20:19] <DanaG> ah, that's odd... why is it 3, and not 0?
[20:21] <aboSamoor> any advices regarding how to progress solving Bug 278648 ?
[20:23]  * penguin42 wonders what I'm doing with FF - sometimes I get a little window up that appears to be a little preview of the whole window - is it some gesture I'm triggering?
[20:26] <BUGabundo> penguin42: close and restart
[20:26] <BUGabundo> did you do upgrades to it while open ?
[20:27] <BUGabundo> or some addon not compatible
[20:27] <penguin42> BUGabundo: No, I'm not sure it's a bug - I think I might be triggering a feature
[20:29] <BUGabundo> ahhh
[20:29] <BUGabundo> right
[20:29] <BUGabundo> ctr+tab!!!
[20:29] <BUGabundo> its a preview tab
[20:29] <BUGabundo> penguin42: ^^^^^
[20:30] <penguin42> no, not getting it with ctr+tab
[20:31] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: bug in smplayer: should default to audio PA, not ALSA
[20:32] <bjsnider> think so?
[20:32] <bjsnider> are you a lobbyist for pulseaudio?
[20:32] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I switch tabs and then make a down stroke
[20:33] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ahaah I'm not. but I defend distro default!
[20:34] <BUGabundo> if we are going with PA, all apps meant to be used by it , should set it as default
[20:34] <bjsnider> i disagree with your choice of default
[20:34] <BUGabundo> penguin42: no idea
[20:34] <BUGabundo> ask fta on #ubuntu-mozillateam
[20:34] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: of course
[20:34] <BUGabundo> its *your* PPA :)
[20:34] <BUGabundo> I was just making a sugestion
[20:34] <BUGabundo> I changed mine .
[20:34] <bjsnider> alsa is needed to do passthrough
[20:34] <BUGabundo> carry on . nothing to see here
[20:34] <bjsnider> and will work with everything else
[20:35] <bjsnider> come to me when pulse can do passthrough
[20:35] <bjsnider> some time in the year 2075
[20:35] <BUGabundo>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }   MPlayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: seek ID_SIGNAL=11
[20:35] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ^^^
[20:35] <bjsnider> huh?
[20:36] <BUGabundo> got that when I applied my settings
[20:36] <bjsnider> to smplayer?
[20:36] <BUGabundo> the biggest changes were pa and pvau
[20:36] <BUGabundo> yes
[20:37] <BUGabundo> I used to get a similar error on mplayer with pvau
[20:37] <bjsnider> vdpau
[20:37] <bjsnider> works fine here with vdpau+pulse
[20:37] <BUGabundo> that
[20:37] <BUGabundo> sorry, new name
[20:38] <bjsnider> have tyou got any hi-def flicks with x264 video tracks?
[20:39] <BUGabundo> One
[20:39] <BUGabundo> wait
[20:39] <BUGabundo> nop. no x264 I think
[20:39] <BUGabundo> or then again maybe
[20:39] <BUGabundo> some Narutos
[20:39] <BUGabundo> but not sure their reso
[20:39] <hifi> apple has 720p trailers
[20:39] <BUGabundo> I usually go with smaller ones
[20:40] <BUGabundo> I do have a FULL HD
[20:40] <BUGabundo> big_buck_bunny_1080p_surround.avi
[20:40] <bjsnider> you can now grab extremely  large stuff
[20:41] <bjsnider> you should be able to play an x264 flick even if the frame size is 1920*1080 at >10mbps with no more than 5% cpu use
[20:41] <BUGabundo> FLOSS movies http://www.bigbuckbunny.org/
[20:41] <BUGabundo> lets test that
[20:42] <bjsnider> vdpau does not accelerate all mpeg4. you won't get any help with xvid/divx. only wmv3 and avc/x264/h.264
[20:42] <bjsnider> vc1 too
[20:42] <BUGabundo> can it be verbose, like mplayer-cli?
[20:42] <BUGabundo> where it show cpu usage?
[20:42] <bjsnider> just use system-monitor
[20:43] <BUGabundo> err
[20:43] <BUGabundo> atop it is
[20:43] <penguin42> Ooh I hadn't realised they finished the bunny film
[20:43] <bjsnider> whatever
[20:43] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:43] <BUGabundo> no image ))
[20:44] <BUGabundo> got a crash
[20:44] <BUGabundo> LOL
[20:44] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: http://paste.ubuntu.com/244495/
[20:44] <BUGabundo> [vdpau] Error when calling vdp_device_create_x11: 1 Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[20:45] <BUGabundo>  [pulse] working around probably broken pause functionality,         see http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/440
[20:45] <BUGabundo> and according to dtchen that is supposed to be fixed too
[20:46] <BUGabundo>   855   0.01s   1.21s     0K     4K     0K     0K  --   - R  61% mplayer
[20:46] <BUGabundo>  1103   0.00s   0.91s  6248K  1128K     0K     0K  --   - S  45% mplayer
[20:46] <BUGabundo> this is with XV
[20:46] <BUGabundo> vdpau won't work
[20:48] <Laney> can someone test muine please?
[20:48] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, is nvidia-185-libvdpau installed?
[20:48] <BUGabundo> haven't rebooted yet
[20:48] <BUGabundo> :)
[20:48] <bjsnider> you haven't rebooted
[20:49] <BUGabundo> bjsnider:   Installed: 185.18.31-0ubuntu1~karmic~ppa1
[20:49] <BUGabundo> well no
[20:49] <BUGabundo> but I still should have the old one
[20:49] <bjsnider> could you do that thing?
[20:49] <BUGabundo> I was nt lost
[20:49] <BUGabundo> reboot?
[20:49] <bjsnider> yes
[20:49] <BUGabundo> errr
[20:49] <BUGabundo> I hate reboots
[20:49] <BUGabundo> but just because I like you !
[20:49] <BUGabundo> I'll do one
[20:49] <bjsnider> well, i could send homeland security after you
[20:50] <BUGabundo> no you can't!
[20:50] <bjsnider> yes i can
[20:50] <BUGabundo> I'm untouchable
[20:50] <BUGabundo> we don't extradit
[20:50] <bjsnider> we'll see
[20:50] <bjsnider> it would be unfortunate if i had to leave a garrison here
[20:51] <BUGabundo> ahahaaahahah
[20:51] <BUGabundo> darn
[20:51] <BUGabundo> I'm in the mid of a download
[20:53] <BUGabundo> 17 min left
[20:55] <bjsnider> problem is you've got the newer vdpau package but a slightly older video driver
[20:55] <bjsnider> loaded
[21:01] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  is the goal to ship Karmic with FF 3.5 still current or will we keep FF 3.0 instead?
[21:02] <bjsnider> t'will be shiretoko i'm sure. asac is just finalizing the changes to ubufox.
[21:02] <Q-FUNK> ah ok
[21:02] <bjsnider> i think it's asac
[21:02] <bjsnider> or is it sebastian
[21:02] <jonathonf> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5
[21:02] <Q-FUNK> it probably is
[21:02] <bjsnider> no, i think it's bacher
[21:04] <BUGabundo> Q-FUNK: ship 3.5 and remove 3.0 in karmic+1
[21:04] <BUGabundo> or even right on karmic
[21:04] <Q-FUNK> BUGabundo: ok
[21:04] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: its asac
[21:04] <bjsnider> if you say so
[21:05] <bjsnider> i backported his new ubufox to jaunty and it applies on shiretoko here
[21:05] <bjsnider> so he's pretty far along
[21:05] <bjsnider> and i think ubufox is the only thing holding it back
[21:06] <BUGabundo> archive ubufox and mozillateam is already available for every release
[21:06] <BUGabundo> no need to backport it
[21:06] <Q-FUNK> ok
[21:08] <DanaG> http://wdmp-7.vo.llnwd.net/d1/wdsmp/TRON/VFXConcept/Grid_VFX_ConceptTest_1080.mov
[21:09] <DanaG> here's a 1920xsomething-a-bit-smaller-than-1080 trailer for some Tron thingy.
[21:09] <Q-FUNK> DanaG: is this meant for #ubuntu+1 ?
[21:09] <DanaG> h.264.
[21:09] <DanaG> Somebody was asking for a link to something h.264.
[21:09] <DanaG> ... and there's something.
[21:09] <Q-FUNK> ah
[21:10] <DanaG> weird.. Totem's audio is all crackly, but mplayer is fine.
[21:11] <Q-FUNK> DanaG: not that weird.  totem uses a different codec library (gstreamer) that mplayer.
[21:11] <Q-FUNK> öö.. than
[21:14] <BUGabundo> Cache size set to 320 KBytes
[21:14] <BUGabundo> Cache fill: 17.50% (57344 bytes)
[21:14] <BUGabundo> lolol
[21:14] <BUGabundo> Couldn't resolve name for AF_INET6: wdmp-7.vo.llnwd.net
[21:18] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: download doen
[21:18] <BUGabundo> reboot
[21:18] <DanaG> wtf... my screen just randomly dimmed.
[21:18] <BUGabundo> hope this works
[21:18] <BUGabundo> DanaG: mine too
[21:18] <BUGabundo> I blame todays updates to GPM
[21:18] <BUGabundo> brb
[21:18] <DanaG> It's like it's counting it as ALWAYS idle.
[21:19] <DanaG> ugh, stupid g-p-m: "put computer to sleep when inactive for":
[21:19] <DanaG> has items 5 minutes, 10 minutes, 30 minutes...
[21:19] <DanaG> I WANT 15!
[21:19] <DanaG> Grr.  Stupid Gnome.
[21:19] <aboSamoor> empathy crashed, I can not find its crash report in /var/crash/ !
[21:20] <DanaG> Is there an existing bug report for that?
[21:21] <kklimonda> DanaG: I don't think so
[21:21] <DanaG> the brighness one, I mean.
[21:22] <kklimonda> haven't seen it reported today yet
[21:30] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: back
[21:30] <BUGabundo> same think
[21:30] <bjsnider> i'll alert the media
[21:30] <BUGabundo> mplayer, smplayer, gmplayer
[21:31] <BUGabundo> all fail with vdpau
[21:31] <BUGabundo> [vdpau] Error when calling vdp_device_create_x11: 1
[21:31] <BUGabundo> Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[21:31] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: no need to be sarcastic
[21:31] <BUGabundo> !ping
[21:31] <jonathonf> !diodes
[21:32] <jonathonf> ah ha!
[21:32] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what card are you using again?
[21:33] <DanaG> "mplayer interrupted by signal 11 in module: unknown"
[21:33] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400M G] (rev a1)
[21:34] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 185.18.31-0ubuntu1~karmic~ppa1
[21:36] <bjsnider> you've got a g86. that's supported
[21:37] <BUGabundo> great
[21:37] <BUGabundo> now why didn't this ever work?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> its not just now
[21:37] <bjsnider> try using it from smplayer instead
[21:37] <BUGabundo> several weeks ago when you told me about it, I had the same prob
[21:37] <BUGabundo> I did
[21:37] <BUGabundo> I tested ALL of them
[21:37] <BUGabundo> smplayer was the 1st
[21:38] <BUGabundo> want a crash log again?
[21:38] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/244597/
[21:38] <BUGabundo> fresh
[21:38] <BUGabundo> want me to install dbg packages ?
[21:39] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, are you doing anything unusual in your xorg.conf?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> $ pastebinit /etc/X11/xorg.conf http://paste.ubuntu.com/244603/
[21:40] <BUGabundo> as clean as they come
[21:41] <Trewas> BUGabundo: that video is plain old mpeg4, should that even work with vdpau? but if it's about that, mplayer really should handle the error more gracefully
[21:42] <BUGabundo> Trewas: no idea. let me test a x264
[21:42] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, try it wihtout the -vc option
[21:43] <BUGabundo> ok x264 doesn't crash smplayer, but no image
[21:43] <BUGabundo> from mplayer
[21:43] <BUGabundo> Matroska file format detected.
[21:43] <BUGabundo> VIDEO:  [avc1]  1280x720  24bpp  29.970 fps    0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
[21:43] <BUGabundo> Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
[21:43] <BUGabundo> Selected video codec: [ffh264] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg H.264)
[21:43] <BUGabundo> now to force mplayer to use pdvau
[21:44] <BUGabundo> $ mplayer -vo vdpau  Naruto\ Shippuuden.E105.\(1280x720_h264+AAC_softsubs\)_\[AF5EA8FD\].mkv
[21:44] <BUGabundo> VIDEO:  [avc1]  1280x720  24bpp  29.970 fps    0.0 kbps ( 0.0 kbyte/s)
[21:44] <BUGabundo> [vdpau] Error when calling vdp_device_create_x11: 1
[21:44] <BUGabundo> Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device.
[21:44] <BUGabundo> no image
[21:45] <BUGabundo> A:  29.9 (29.8) of 1385.0 (23:05.0)  0.9%
[21:45] <bjsnider> the display device isn't being created, almost like you've got an unsupported card
[21:45] <BUGabundo> well really low CPU lol
[21:45] <sque> Hi, I am trying to setup dual head with Intel 945 and KMS screws up  modesettings
[21:45] <Lint01> when we will see that Application Center?
[21:45] <BUGabundo> Lint01: prob karmic +1
[21:45] <sque> can anyone help me on this?
[21:46] <Fluffles> BUGabundo, why do you say karmic+1 and not karmic?
[21:46] <penguin42> sque: What you seeing; I have 945+dual head and it's a bit touchy
[21:47] <BUGabundo> Fluffles: from what I've read, its only 15% done
[21:47] <BUGabundo> so in no way it will be ready for karmic
[21:47] <penguin42> what's Application Centre?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: Trewas: any more suggestions?
[21:47] <DanaG> "Too many video packets in the buffer"
[21:47] <DanaG> yargh.
[21:47] <BUGabundo> penguin42: the concept that will merge UM, synaptic, add/remove, etc
[21:48] <penguin42> ah
[21:48] <Trewas> BUGabundo: not really, I haven't tried vdpau myself, no full-hd screen and this computer is fast enough for 720p with only software decoding
[21:49] <sque> penguin42, It have an external syncmaster 174T which is properly recognized if KMS is off, but when it is on it is recognized as UNKNOWN with some wierd modes 1340 x 1100 something like that
[21:49] <BUGabundo> penguin42: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-app-center
[21:49] <BUGabundo> Trewas: nor is this screen
[21:49] <BUGabundo> but at least it should cut on my CPU usage
[21:50] <penguin42> sque: Interesting - I have an external Dell S2409W which has always been 'unknown' for me - I added the res explicitly in xorg.conf - some say you can do it with xrandr though but I've not figured out how; if it previously worked I'd bug report it
[21:50] <sque> penguin42,  have you tried booting it with nomodeset option?
[21:50] <Trewas> BUGabundo: there's that, but usually both 720p and 1080p versions are available, so I'll just take the smaller one
[21:51] <penguin42> sque: No, but Jaunty didn't recognise the res either
[21:51] <sque> penguin42, I think it worths a try as karmic has  completly different code
[21:52] <penguin42> sque: I suspect there's some hardware reason why it doesn't detect it for me - (Toshiba Eqium A100-306)
[21:52] <penguin42> sque: The other weirdo thing I'm having is that since a recent karmic it's not properly restored on hibernate
[21:53] <sque> I pray for the day of decent plug and play...
[21:53] <sque> :p
[21:53] <penguin42> nod
[21:53] <penguin42> sque: Do you get anything in dmesg? I get moans like 'i915 0000:00:02.0: VGA-1: no EDID data' 'i2c-adapter i2c-0: unable to read EDID block.'
[21:53] <sque> me too
[21:55] <sque> penguin42, but only with KMS enabled
[21:55] <penguin42> sque: If yours works without modesetting I'd definitely report it (probably against linux or xserver-xorg-intel-thingy)
[21:55] <sque> There are too many bug report almost the same as mine
[21:56] <penguin42> oh if they're all 945/something then I'd wonder about marking them as dupes and selecting 'affects me as well'
[21:56] <sque> and i don't think I need to report it, however some them are declared as "Fixed" and I am starting thinking that the patches are quircks per models.
[21:56] <penguin42> erk
[21:57] <sque> penguin42, how did you set manual modeline?
[21:58] <penguin42> erm let me see if I can find my xorg.conf
[21:58] <penguin42> sque: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/29512084/xorg.conf
[21:59] <penguin42> you might not need all of that
[21:59] <sque> penguin42, and how did you create that cryptic line?
[21:59] <sque> I remember there was a tool
[21:59] <penguin42> I think I found it somewhere :-)
[22:00] <penguin42> However, you shouldn't need it if it's actually a normal mode Ubuntu already knows about
[22:00]  * penguin42 might not need it these days either - when I wrote it ubuntu didn't seem to have a 1920x1080 line
[22:01] <JanC> 'man xorg.conf' & 'man intel' explain most of the settings
[22:01] <penguin42> sque: The other trick I'm doing in there is putting the monitors vertically above each other because that lets it still do 3D with
[22:01] <penguin42> JanC: Actually http://intellinuxgraphics.org/ is very good for the Intel stuff
[22:01] <sque> JanC, ty :)
[22:02] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, from what i'm reading, this isn't going to end well for you
[22:02] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: :(
[22:02] <BUGabundo> you are going to send HLS meet me ?
[22:02] <bjsnider> you may have a defective card
[22:02] <BUGabundo> WHAT?
[22:02] <bjsnider> don't shoot the messenger
[22:03] <BUGabundo> oh great
[22:03] <BUGabundo> any substancial way I can prove that to my seller?
[22:03] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: source?
[22:04] <bjsnider> can you download and run the vdpinfo script?
[22:04] <JanC> penguin42: right, but the options for xorg.conf should be in the manpages too (which might be useful if ever need to change them where you don't have internet, say when you have to give a presentation and the beamer doesn't work OOTB ;) )
[22:04] <penguin42> true
[22:04] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1974588&postcount=6
[22:04] <bjsnider> note at the end that guy replaced the exact same gpu as yours
[22:05] <BUGabundo> will do
[22:06] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: where is the script?
[22:06] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, who manufactured your rig?
[22:06] <bjsnider> google it
[22:06] <BUGabundo> OEM national brand
[22:06] <BUGabundo> they were bough a few months ago
[22:06] <BUGabundo> bare bone asustek S27S
[22:06] <BUGabundo> http://www.mail-archive.com/minimyth-commits@googlegroups.com/msg00389.html
[22:07] <bjsnider> if there's any way you can get a new one or a replacement i'd be doing that without delay
[22:08] <bjsnider> this "ubuntu one" thing is a good moneymaking scheme
[22:08] <bjsnider> i hope it works for them
[22:08] <BUGabundo> downloading build essencials now
[22:08] <bjsnider> canonical needeth more capital
[22:09] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: just look at multisearch addon !
[22:11] <BUGabundo> make
[22:11] <BUGabundo> g++ -O3 -g   -c -o vdpinfo.o vdpinfo.cpp
[22:11] <BUGabundo> vdpinfo.cpp:36:25: error: vdpau/vdpau.h: No such file or directory
[22:11] <BUGabundo> vdpinfo.cpp:37:29: error: vdpau/vdpau_x11.h: No such file or director
[22:11] <BUGabundo> sharming
[22:11] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:12] <BUGabundo> nvidia-185-libvdpau-dev ahhhhhhh
[22:13] <BUGabundo> make
[22:13] <BUGabundo> g++ -O3 -g   -c -o vdpinfo.o vdpinfo.cpp
[22:13] <BUGabundo> In file included from vdpinfo.cpp:37:
[22:13] <BUGabundo> /usr/include/vdpau/vdpau_x11.h:44:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[22:13] <BUGabundo> crap
[22:13] <aboSamoor> bjsnider, I tried ubuntu One and it really sucks, it did not work from two machine. unstable and not user friendly
[22:13] <bjsnider> it's still beta right?
[22:14] <bjsnider> i only said it was a good moneymaking idea
[22:14] <aboSamoor> bjsnider, I don't know what does it mean to be beta ? I am using karmic and it nice [since alpha2]. All google services are Beta !
[22:15] <bjsnider> google never goes out of beta for anything
[22:15] <BUGabundo> :)
[22:15] <penguin42> aboSamoor: Beta's are supposed to mostly work but don't be surprised if you find some problems; alphas could quite easily be loaded with zillions of problems and could change from alpha to alpha
[22:15] <BUGabundo> if you want online data sharing go with dropbox
[22:15] <Lint01> will karmic have normal dc++ client instead of this linuxdc shit?
[22:15] <penguin42> an alpha release might eat your cat; a beta will probably just scare it
[22:15] <BUGabundo> U1 will be more then just storage
[22:16] <BUGabundo> !language | Lint01
[22:16] <BUGabundo> Lint01: fell free to open a bug for packaging of any other app you know of. contributions accepted too
[22:25] <Leftmost> What has changed in the new language pack updates? The date remains the same, which makes me think it doesn't include recent Launchpad work, but the version has still been bumped. Anyone know?
[22:27] <bjsnider> is there a cursive font that's always on linux systems?
[22:29] <JanC> bjsnider: considering that everybody can remove whatever fonts they want, I would say no  ;)
[22:29] <JanC> but I suppose you mean one that is on most distros by default?
[22:39] <bjsnider> yes
[22:44] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: are you rolling your own mplayer to get vdpau support?
[22:44] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: I don't see it on -vo help... :)
[22:45] <BUGabundo> no I'm not
[22:45] <BUGabundo> I'm using bjsnider builds
[22:45] <BUGabundo> and he tells me I have broken HW :(
[22:46] <BUGabundo> this is an 18 months old laptop. not gonna be easy to come up to the store and say:"hey my GPU doesn't work with vdpau. can you exchange it?"
[22:46] <BUGabundo> reply: "- ah???"
[22:47] <Twigathy> yeah, I read upchannel, sucks :(
[22:47] <Twigathy> BUGabundo: sorry, but where were those builds?
[22:47] <Twigathy> in a PPA on launchpad or...?
[22:48] <BUGabundo> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/nvidia-vdpau/ppa/ubuntu karmic main #vpau
[22:48] <Twigathy> ahh, cool. :)
[22:48] <Twigathy> I might have to have a play...
[22:49] <RAOF> BUGabundo: For karmic, PPAs are more usefully described by "ppa:bjsnider/nvidia-vdpau" for use with add-apt-repository :)
[22:50] <BUGabundo> RAOF: I know
[22:50] <BUGabundo> I was planing on emailing LP-users
[22:50] <BUGabundo> so that they place that some where in a wiki
[22:50] <BUGabundo> and eventually on all ppa
[22:50] <RAOF> Right.
[22:50] <BUGabundo> _just to make it easilly dangerous_ to install 3rd party ppas
[22:50] <JanC> bjsnider: I guess "URW Chancery L" comes closest to what you ask (it's part of gsfonts)
[22:50] <BUGabundo> let windows ease begin
[22:51] <BUGabundo> RAOF: actully this case would be ppa:nvidia-vdpau/ubuntu
[22:51] <BUGabundo> me thinks
[22:52] <RAOF> Possibly.  It's ppa:$LP_USER/$PPA_NAME
[22:53] <BUGabundo> err
[22:53] <BUGabundo> more like PPANAME/PPABRANCH
[22:53] <BUGabundo> RAOF: ppa are not users
[22:53] <BUGabundo> either user or teams
[22:54] <RAOF> But PPAs belong to users.
[22:54] <Daviey> _or_ teams
[22:55] <BUGabundo> RAOF: ^^^^
[22:55] <RAOF> A team is a user :P
[22:55] <Daviey> a launchpad_id
[22:55] <BUGabundo> lets take this to #launchpad :)
[22:55] <RAOF> For example... the nouveau crack repository, belonging to the ~xorg-edgers team is ppa:xorg-edgers/nouveau
[22:55] <BUGabundo> and by this you prove my point . thanks
[23:02] <yofel> hm... gnome-do docky is buggy. I launch gVim and it shows the adept icon o.O
[23:06] <Twigathy> oh fgs, pulse has broken my lovely working vlc spdif passthrough >:(
[23:06] <Twigathy> burrrrn >_<
[23:10] <Twigathy> oh, killing PA and starting it again worked
[23:10]  * Twigathy dislikes weird maybe-not-bugs like that :S
[23:11] <BUGabundo> the entire PA is just a BIG bug
[23:12]  * Twigathy agrees
[23:12] <BUGabundo> and no one seems to be capable of tracking it down
[23:12] <DanaG> I like PulseAudio's features... I just don't like some of the things it does.
[23:12] <Twigathy> I can't believe it's managed to get itself into so many distros >_<
[23:12] <DanaG> Like flat volumes... whose hairbrained idea was that?
[23:12] <BUGabundo> nod
[23:13] <Twigathy> oops, workrave says I need an anti-RSI break... c_c
[23:13] <Twigathy> btw it has the cutest icon *ever* (little sheep thingy that lives in the system tray) :)
[23:14] <RAOF> DanaG: Flat volumes are an obvious good thing to audio wonks.
[23:14] <RAOF> The UI could be less... annoying, though.
[23:15] <DanaG> Yeah, the UI is horrible, horrible,  horrible.
[23:15] <DanaG> When I move an app between cards... I damn well don't expect it to suddenly change its "relative to max" volume.
[23:15] <Twigathy> I mentioned yesterday(?) that the way to do app volumes is not to have a horrible GUI for it, but to have another window control like minimise/max/close ;)
[23:16] <Twigathy> ditto soundcard shuffling of app noises
[23:16] <DanaG> Even a pavucontrol with checkboxes for "which device" would work.
[23:16] <DanaG> Awesome thing to do, thanks to PA: put games and movies and such on offboard surround sound, and leave web audio on internal speakers.
[23:17] <DanaG> That way I don't have to worry about Flash videos being too loud -- I just start with the onboard speakers at low volume.
[23:17] <DanaG> The only thing I saw of flat-volumes was exactly the horrid UI... what's the supposed benefit?
[23:18] <DanaG> Doing analog scaling instead of digital scaling?
[23:18] <RAOF> DanaG: Exactly.  The idea is to use the audio hardware's amplifier to scale volume, rather than deplete the bit-depth.
[23:18] <DanaG> The UI needs to abstract that away, then.
[23:19] <RAOF> Probably, yeah.
[23:19] <DanaG> here's how I think of volumes: I use the old non-flat way.
[23:19] <DanaG> Card is at some portion of its max volume.
[23:19] <DanaG> App is at some proportion of the volume of whatever device it's on.)
[23:19] <DanaG> you know you're a programmer when you just thought: "synax error: unexpected ')'."
[23:21] <DanaG> And if I move the app to another device... the same "percent of whatever device it's on" applies.
[23:21] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and the mixer for my onboard sound card is a bit annoying:\
[23:22] <DanaG> 1% is -89dB, 50% is -45dB, and 100% is 0dB.
[23:22] <DanaG> Why, pray tell, do I need it to go all the way down to -89?
[23:22] <BUGabundo> DanaG: +1
[23:22] <BUGabundo> anithing bellow 60% here is == mute
[23:22] <DanaG> 50% for me.
[23:22] <Shane_Fagan> Why not work using percentages
[23:23] <Shane_Fagan> mine is fairly loud
[23:23] <RAOF> Shane_Fagan: Percentages of what?  Percieved volume?  RMS power? :)
[23:23] <Shane_Fagan> 20% is still audible
[23:24] <Shane_Fagan> RAOF: the volume the computer can go
[23:24] <RAOF> Shane_Fagan: Then it's horribly non-linear, perception wise.
[23:24] <Shane_Fagan> like the way it detects the battery life using percentages
[23:24] <RAOF> That'll mean that the last 50% sounds pretty much exactly the same volume.
[23:25] <DanaG> ... which is exactly my problem.  =þ
[23:25] <RAOF> (Because hearing perception is logarithmic)
[23:25] <Shane_Fagan> im just saying the db system is weird
[23:25] <DanaG> And the notify-OSD actually makes the volume change itself.... lag.  Stupid design.
[23:25] <RAOF> The dB system is weird because human perception is weird.
[23:25] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what did the vdpinfo script get you?
[23:25] <Shane_Fagan> why cant they move over to an easier to understand system
[23:25] <DanaG> The volume change should NEVER wait for the notification.
[23:25] <DanaG> What's odd to me is the negative-ness.
[23:26] <DanaG> 89dB below... what?
[23:26] <Shane_Fagan> but we arent computers
[23:26] <RAOF> DanaG: Below 0, obviously :)
[23:27] <DanaG> oh yeah, one thing I like about my laptop: when idle, the hard drive is the only thing I hear.
[23:27] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: it didn't build :(
[23:27] <BUGabundo> DanaG: mine is the fan
[23:27] <Shane_Fagan> DanaG: Mine makes an annoying rattling sound all the time
[23:28] <Shane_Fagan> Its not healthy
[23:29] <BUGabundo> Shane_Fagan: dBs are strange to you, 'cause you don't know what they mean
[23:29] <BUGabundo> of course Human Beings don't care either :)
[23:30] <Shane_Fagan> Ah as long as im not expected to say how many dbs some sound is im fine
[23:30] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, it will build
[23:31] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: not here :(
[23:31] <BUGabundo> I added the -dev package required
[23:31] <BUGabundo> and it didn't work
[23:31] <DanaG> oh yeah, and with my USB sound card, alsamixer itself is a bit confused.
[23:32] <bjsnider> error msg?
[23:32] <DanaG> It goes from 0% (0.0dB) to 100% (0.0dB).
[23:32] <BUGabundo> bjsnider:  make
[23:32] <BUGabundo> g++ -O3 -g   -c -o vdpinfo.o vdpinfo.cpp
[23:32] <BUGabundo> In file included from vdpinfo.cpp:37:
[23:32] <BUGabundo> /usr/include/vdpau/vdpau_x11.h:44:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such file or directory
[23:32] <penguin42> install the X dev files
[23:33] <bjsnider> you are missing a dep
[23:34] <BUGabundo> xdev?
[23:34]  * BUGabundo looks
[23:34]  * penguin42 is sure dpkg -S is getting slower
[23:34] <BUGabundo> x11proto-video-dev ?
[23:35] <penguin42> no, libx11-dev
[23:35] <yofel> BUGabundo: libx11-dev
[23:35] <BUGabundo> sheee
[23:35] <BUGabundo> those are a bunch of depencies
[23:35] <yofel> BUGabundo: how to find out: 'apt-file find X11/Xlib.h' and check what looks best ;)
[23:39] <BUGabundo> 13MiBs download over 3G yay
[23:41] <penguin42> bet that costs you
[23:43] <BUGabundo> I'm not paying this one
[23:43] <BUGabundo> but my neighbours wifi is down :(
[23:45] <kklimonda> :/
[23:45] <kklimonda> how dare he to shut it down!
[23:47] <BUGabundo> yeah right!
[23:47] <BUGabundo> lets poke him