[00:03] Hmm... that was interesting... I think I just had a crash where I couldn't SSH in. :S [00:04] or, freeze, rather. [00:05] never good [00:10] I don't have a serial console; unfortunately... so with no SSH and no keyboard; all I can do is reboot and tinker with Xorg.conf again... [00:10] * cbhl shrugs [00:10] nod [00:13] i got some spaghetti charset with cygwin [00:14] locale is utf-8 [00:36] I just installed Karmic Alpha 3, and am unused to the way that GRUB 2 does things. Namely, as it discourages manual editing of grub.cfg, how to get it to "know" that the drive its on should be (hd2) instead of the (hd4) it thinks it is? [00:37] vasuvi: Interesting I think I'm still on grub 1 ? [00:37] seem to be [00:38] penguin42: Easy way to tell: do you have a menu.lst, grub.conf, or grub.cfg file in your /boot/grub directory? [00:38] The first two are for GRUB 1, the last for GRUB 2 [00:38] (If you already knew that, sorry ;) ) [00:39] I have menu.lst [00:39] Yup, GRUB 1 then [00:39] * penguin42 happens to like being able edit config files [00:40] utf-8 stuff [00:40] penguin42: vasuvi well we can [00:40] * vasuvi agrees, but vasuvi also likes to be able to boot directly into ISO's ;) [00:40] there should be a _proper_ way [00:40] but I just edit it as root [00:40] mdadm does mdadm check the array after a period of time automaticly? [00:40] sudo didn't work [00:40] vasuvi: grub allows boot from iso? WOOT [00:41] alteregoa: I think it can be made to and remember there being something about a cron to do that [00:41] gona be glad to test livecds onto HW [00:41] BIGabundo: Yup :D Just like on a live partition, you just mount it to loop first (at least what GRUB 2 calls "loop", whatever it actually does internally) [00:42] Then you can boot to, say, (loop)/boot/vmlinuz [00:42] woot [00:42] oh wacky [00:42] penguin yeah i enabled crond in services [00:43] thats fine, so it checks every x minutes the array [00:43] alteregoa: I think there are two types of checks; one is 'has a disc failed' and I think there is an occasional check that can be done every few days which check the whole disks [00:44] where is crond? [00:44] :/etc/crond? [00:44] alteregoa: It's a thing that runs things periodically for you [00:44] yeah but wher is the crond config file? [00:45] i only see onancrond [00:45] sounds like a biblic thing [00:45] it looks like mdadm creates /etc/cron.d/mdadm [00:46] alteregoa, mdadm will check the array [00:46] alteregoa, tune2fs [00:46] there is also a /usr/share/doc/mdadm/README.checkarray which might be worth reading [00:47] ah at 00:57 at every sunday [00:47] alteregoa, check the man page, mdadm defaults to 30 mounts or 180 days, whatever is first [00:47] any minute then ? [00:47] each first sunday of the month [00:47] billybigrigger: Erm how are tune2fs/mdadm related? [00:48] ???? you can override mdadm's settings of checking the array every 30 mounts or 180 days with tune2fs [00:48] its 30000KB/s the check so it doesnt hurt [00:48] penguin42, check the tune2fs man page [00:49] billybigrigger: I'd expect that's you can override the filesystems check - I don't think mdadm does any checks based on mount does it? [00:49] 180 days is to long [00:49] mdadm itself doesn't do checks i don't think no, if thats what your asking [00:49] tune2fs is purely for filesystem not for raid [00:50] billybigrigger@cabo:/media$ sudo tune2fs -c 20 /dev/md0 [00:50] tune2fs 1.41.8 (11-July-2009) [00:50] Setting maximal mount count to 20 [00:50] ???? [00:50] no, the system is running on a UPS, forever [00:50] how so, i just changed from 30 mounts to 20 mounts before a check is performed [00:51] billybigrigger: mdadm does do perioic checks [00:51] fsck does the checking of the fs [00:51] billybigrigger: you are confusing the two problems - tune2fs is configuring the filesystem - the fact you have it on the raid is a separate issue [00:51] i create a crond entry for tune2fs -c [00:51] alteregoa: Why? [00:51] to check for consistency [00:51] sorry, i must have jumped into a conversation in the middle [00:52] alteregoa, you only need to set tune2fs -c once [00:52] alteregoa: tune2fs doesn't check for consistency; you don't need to do that [00:52] e2fsck or whatever [00:52] * billybigrigger goes back to the sidelines [00:52] :) [00:53] alteregoa: You can't fsck while mounted anyway, so there's no pointing in cronning it [00:53] that sucks [00:53] penguin42: actually you can [00:53] just remount as RO [00:53] true, but also you should never ever need to fsck in practice [00:53] but if it changes the FS [00:54] you need to reboot LOL [00:54] BUGabundo: yeh I guess so [00:54] reboot, no way [00:54] btw there's a bug in there on the recovery menu [00:54] two bugs even [00:54] alteregoa: either that or data lost [00:55] data lost, yeah i saw the movie, data lost on the enterprise [00:55] The simple answer is you don't normally need to do an fsck except after hardware failure [00:55] penguin42: on recovery menu if you fsck, it will try to boot afterwards, with the system on RO [00:55] DOH FAIL [00:55] and if you are running on duff hardware you don't want to be running an fsck [00:55] its a 15tb array [00:55] penguin42: wrong. data corruption *can* occur [00:55] BUGabundo: How? [00:55] you can suffer from bad disks, interfences, kernel bugs, etc [00:56] penguin42: just see what pre -30 kernel did on ext4 [00:56] alteregoa: easilly fixable. cluster reduncy [00:56] BUGabundo: Yeh well that's why I've not gone anywhere near ext4 yet [00:56] alteregoa: you take one host down for mantanence and then resync when online [00:57] also see glusterfs. [00:57] penguin42: most known bugs are fixed on -31 [00:57] BUGabundo: I'll give it a year or two :-) [00:57] glusterf sounds like goa'uld fs [00:57] including the so NOTORIUS truncage bugs [00:58] i think i put the md0 to a iscsi [00:59] or is there a way to forward x11 screen output over a tcp connection? ( not vnc)? [00:59] from an already running X session? [01:00] if its possible yes [01:00] for an existing one the only way I know is via vnc using x11vnc [01:01] alteregoa: it *used* to [01:01] with XDMC [01:01] AFAIK not available on the new GDM [01:01] xdmc yeah rundmc is cool [01:01] alteregoa, there are ways to do it, but you have to run a virtual x server [01:01] when i used it last, it was kinda buggy [01:01] on cygwin? [01:02] Xvfb [01:02] on the server [01:02] and then you use x + screen or whatever normally [01:03] thanks [01:04] virtual framebuffer runs much faster compared to vnc [01:04] yeah definitely [01:04] vnc is slow [01:04] you could also do NX [01:04] how do you monitor Xvfb? [01:05] no idea what you mean by monitor [01:05] I thought it was so virtual you couldn't see it [01:05] you can use it by using X [01:05] virtual on the host, but you send the output to a terminal (here to a cygwin terminal) [01:07] alteregoa, its working ok for you? [01:09] i check it later [01:10] hehe cool [01:10] good luck [01:13] peace [01:13] pax [01:13] shalom [01:17] Paz [01:24] hey Sarvatt [01:24] and bye guys [01:24] BED mode on [01:25] ditto [01:31] bhagwan was a jerk [02:21] odd... my GDM was FLASHING at me. [02:21] Switched back and forth between wallpaper and login, multiple times per second. === _Siegfried is now known as Siegfried [02:28] "Vuze just completed downloading an important update and must now be restarted so that the update can be installed." [02:28] [02:28] "Vuze just completed downloading an important update and must now be restarted so that the update can be installed." [02:28] [02:28] Hah! [02:31] vuze sucks [02:31] use transmission [02:31] or rtorrent [02:31] hell even uTorrent would be better [02:31] eh i would rather stay away from wine if i can [02:32] Doesnt uTorrent have UNIX port? [02:32] Could have sworn it did [02:33] Vuze has more features than all the others. [02:33] Vuze is slow pile of.... er yeah [02:34] Last time I checked, Transmission was severely lacking in features. [02:34] Didn't even have a good auto-throttling thing, I think. [02:34] Works fine for me [02:35] And it doesn't keep seeding and downloading in separate panes. [02:35] Oh, and another thing: you can't specify a fixed local port to use -- so I can't use QoS on it on my router. [02:37] DanaG: take a look at Deluge, I used to use it alot, but I've stopped torrenting because my isp hates me when I do [02:38] oh yeah, and importing all my active torrents would likely be a pain, too. [02:39] oh, and handy feature in vuze: it guesses, usually correctly, where to put torrents, based on where you last put other torrents with the same types of files. [02:40] DanaG, you can do all that with rtorrent [02:40] "peer TOS byte" -- whazzat? [02:40] plus it's actually -- fast [02:40] unlike vuze [02:41] well, deluge looks pretty good. [02:43] deluge and rtorrent are both great compared to vuze :) [02:43] bittornado is good compared to vuze ;) [02:44] (I just use Transmission myself, but my needs are pretty modest) [02:46] If anybody is curious how I hacked the scripts to make 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc' do the right thing based on boot drive: [02:46] I wrote a small C program: http://paste.ubuntu.com/243053/ [02:47] And I grep'ed to find the four places where the grub_probe is called for the device name, and made it call my small program on the result [02:47] How do you make it ask where to put each torrent, for every torrent you download? [02:49] ugh, yeah, importing the things is not worth the effort. [02:49] ... at least for now. [02:55] the tony danza extravaganza [02:57] if your looking for a vuze/utorrent the only thing that comes to my mind is deluge [02:57] beats the pants of transmission [02:58] transmission is KISS programming [03:03] yeah, but manually pointing it back at all 20 or so torrents I have... seems like a pain. [03:03] And how well does it deal with torrents that have files on not-currently-mounted mount points? [03:03] What Azureus does: just stops those torrents. [03:05] oh heck, I don't even remember which of the torrents in .azureus/torrents I actually still have active. [03:05] DanaG, what else would you expect it to do? [03:05] can't really do much but stop the torrent if its not somewhere mounted [03:05] I don't know; if it were badly coded, it'd remove the torrent, or something stupid like that. [03:05] With the way some of the Gnome things have been going lately, it wouldn'y surprise me. [03:05] wouldn't, [03:05] . [03:05] try deluge [03:06] it beats the pants off anything i've tried [03:06] unless you want something console based, but in the gui world of linux torrent clients, deluge reigns supreme :P [03:08] the deluge webui isn't half bad either [03:09] Oh yeah, and vuze also shows which pieces are active, and lets you prioritize specific files, and such. [03:09] I just imported one torrent, and it's stuck at "Checking 0.00%." [03:13] STill just sitting there. [03:13] oh, I see... it was on 'pause'. [03:13] So apparently, "start paused" means "and don't bother checking it, either." [03:19] deluge can change file priorities [03:20] ah, cool. [03:20] It's easier to import one at a time (i.e. drag one .torrent at a time), than to import all at once and try to sort them out that way. [03:24] I don't see how to change priority.... right-clicking gives nothing, and double-clicking just opens the file [03:26] open the torrent properties? [03:26] You mean the bottom pane? [03:27] Already did that. [03:27] That's where I'm seeing the list of files. [03:27] I see the priority options now... but they're all grayed out. [03:27] i.e. disabled. [03:28] ??? [03:29] what do you mean, "???" ? [03:29] im lost i don't know why it's greyed works for me everytime [03:31] not greyed here [03:31] heh, whether you're paused or going... the menu shows both "pause" and "resume". [03:34] heh, this thing lets you try to add the same torrent twice. [03:34] And then silently ignores you once you hit "okay". [03:37] grr, broken priority. [03:39] Fail. [03:45] Great, since I can't tell it "do not download", it's going to trample on my good tagging with the broken tagging present in the original torrent. [03:46] You're right about it being slim, though -- no performance hit from running it. [03:47] grr, case-sensitive.... since when is NTFS case-sensitive? [03:48] And there's no option to RENAME the dir, either. [03:53] yay, at least ntfs supports symlinks. [04:02] DanaG, NTFS in of its self always has been [04:02] DanaG, Windows though, is not. [04:05] you can made windows case sensitive [04:06] ObCaseInsensitive = 0 [04:24] alteregoa, right, but out of the box *windows* is not case sensitive, but NTFS is [04:29] hey everyone I am having major problems with my sound. It has been happening ever since Intrepid and it seems to be even worse in Karmic when I play a song it will start playing fine and then when i skip to the next song it will just freeze up the program. The driver is snd-hda-intel and ICH8 variant of it. The codec it is using is Realtek ALC262 and then it also lists Conexant ID 2c06 and I am using a Sony Vaio VGN-CR520D. [04:29] If anyone can help that would be great! [04:45] !sound [04:45] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [05:26] Uh, File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer) doesn't make sense anymore in Karmic, does it? [05:28] SeveredCross, yeah I am not sure where to change all those settings anymore [05:29] i guess it would be in your sound preferences now [05:29] damn I thought switching to a xine backend or Amarok would fix it [05:29] nevermind [05:29] you can't even change that in sound preferences [05:30] well I am at a total loss everything I have tried doing has not worked and everytime I upgrade anything it seems to get worse for some reason [05:30] $ apt-get install pavucontrol [05:30] you can change your output device in there [05:31] dev's should have made 'Sound Preferences [05:31] dev's should have made 'Sound Preferences' = pavucontrol [05:31] not a dumbed down version [05:31] with less options [05:31] stupid! [05:31] That's Gnome for you. [05:31] Fewer options is better! Always! [05:31] =( [05:32] better than kde imo, for now :P [05:32] I like Gnome so far [05:32] we'll see in the next few releases [05:32] KDE seemed very unstable when i used it so i went back to gnome [05:32] never have been a fan of kde, but xfce is starting to make me considering switching :P [05:33] billybigrigger, how do I switch my output device? [05:33] I like the gnome system-monitor applet. [05:33] Nothing else manages to convey the nice/system/user load quite as well. [05:33] ... once I swap the colors, that is. [05:33] Oh, and iowait. [05:33] fuzzybunny69y, i was looking at input [05:33] :( [05:33] seems you cant [05:34] hmm i dont really see any options in there to change much [05:34] no, except input device [05:34] grr, stupid deluge... I select 5 torrents, and go to "modify tracker"..... and it modifies... ONE. [05:34] Just one. [05:34] what version? [05:35] all it lets me adjust is the volume [05:36] !sound [05:36] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [05:38] that needs some updating for +1 [05:45] here is my sound info guys: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=fc7ef18b2311cf63921c6196cd2d26b2110a1000 if anyone can help [05:48] hey, fyi, .31-rc5 kernel should have some alsa/hda updates [05:48] maybe that might fix them [05:48] has rc5 hit yet? [05:49] our repos, that is [05:49] I havent seen it at all yet [05:49] Oh, the mute GPIO thingy -- ooooooooh. [05:52] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/2.6.31-5.24/+build/1143082 [05:52] missing or invalid 'file sizes' entry in resume data [05:52] grr. [05:52] was finished building 12 hours ago [05:52] should be hitting repos soon [05:53] Man, I wish the submission to distrobution cycle was quicker sometimes [05:53] oh yeah, where can I get the firefox 3.5.2 beta? [05:53] I don't want dailies, but I want the beta for the fixed ICC stuff. [05:54] DanaG, From mozilla's site, I'd imagine then [05:56] DanaG: ~mozilla-team may have a ppa for them [05:56] or ~fta [05:59] why the hell i get certificate errors? [06:01] E: Build-dependencies for pidgin could not be satisfied. [06:01] lolwut? [06:06] how do you make dpkg-buildpackage use -j option for Make? [06:13] oh, it's still... -j. [06:14] hi [07:41] hey, where'd the Totem youtube plugin go? [07:41] !info totem-plugins-extra [07:41] totem-plugins-extra (source: totem): Extra plugins for the Totem media player. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.27.2-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 62 kB, installed size 160 kB [07:42] nope! [07:42] not there. [07:52] DanaG: well, according to the description it's still in totem-plugins [07:52] but it's obviously not a case.. [07:53] ah, so I'm not crazy. ¬_¬ [07:53] s/crazy/the only one/ [07:53] You are but thats beside the point [07:55] DanaG: from buildlog: configure: WARNING: you need libgdata >= 0.4.0 installed for the YouTube plugin (disabling plugin) [07:56] DanaG: bug 384768 [07:56] Launchpad bug 384768 in totem "Karmic: Totem Youtube plugin option seems to of vanished" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/384768 [07:56] seems to "OF"? =þ [07:56] I'd reword that: "has vanished." [07:56] Well, "it'll be fixed by release time" is a good enough answer for me, if that's what it is. [08:01] odd... one specific torrent keeps reporting "input/output error". [08:10] anyone using hamster-applet? [08:10] I need a quick check of something [08:11] Can somebody help me understand why I can access a cheap NAS box I have with hardy and jaunty smbclient, but not the karmic one? -> bug 407583 [08:11] Launchpad bug 407583 in samba "karmic smbclient fails to access NAS box" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407583 [08:26] why do we have both cron and anacron? [08:29] because one's used for machines on all the time, and one isn't. [08:30] i'm not sure why it recommends cron, though [08:31] ubuntu-desktop depends on both. [08:33] yes, anacron recommends cron, and i'm unsure as to why. [08:34] I hope they don't both try to run the same things. [08:34] ... or they'd end up happening multiple times. [08:35] looks like cron runs by default, and anacron doesn't. [08:35] odd... for me, both daemons claim to start. [08:36] on fresh jaunty, anyway [08:37] stat("/etc/cron.d/anacron", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=244, ...}) = 0 [08:39] Sun Aug 2 00:39:14 PDT 2009 [08:46] * Laibsch suggest combing through the changelogs [08:47] Laibsch: I already did - it told me that anacron's cron has changed from suggests to recommends, but not why. [08:47] OK [08:48] didn't check bugs in debian or antyhing, though [08:48] Who made the change? [08:48] so i'm a bit at a loss [08:48] debian [08:48] Is it a real problem? [08:48] * Hobbsee heads out for a while [08:48] was it a recent change? [08:48] not to me, but seems to be to DanaG [08:48] * Laibsch does not have ubuntu-desktop installed because it pulls in too much stuff [08:49] and recently I'm running XFCE more often anyway [09:01] I find it silly to have two scheduler thingies of some sort... do they work together, or independently (ignorantly)... or do they cooperate? [09:03] oh yeah, when'll the new kernel go to repos? [09:04] oh yeah, and is it possible to extract the raw audio data (i.e. not go lossy -> pcm -> lossy) from the totem youtube plugin? [09:14] In Karmic , where are the settings for the PCM volume levels ? [09:16] mac_v: as always in alsamixer [09:16] i can find it o.0 [09:17] only terminal , no gui :( [09:17] alsamixer is terminal prog [09:18] previously there was a GUI for altering the alsa settings [09:18] on my karmic xubuntu there is such too [09:19] they changed a lot in Ubuntu , now not there [09:19] applications - multimedia - mixer on xfce [09:20] but alsamixer on terminal is not very hard to operate, just try it [09:20] yeah... just figured it out , seems quite easy [09:31] hey everyone I am having major problems with my sound. It has been happening ever since Intrepid and it seems to be even worse in Karmic when I play a song it will start playing fine and then when i skip to the next song it will just freeze up the program. The driver is snd-hda-intel and ICH8 variant of it. The codec it is using is Realtek ALC262 and then it also lists Conexant ID 2c06 and I am using a Sony Vaio VGN-CR520D. [09:31] If anyone can help that would be great! Another weird thing is that if I make another user account and go into that account my sound problem seems to be fixed [09:40] how do I change on what partition ubuntu hibernates, also which is on use swsusp or TuxOnIce? [09:55] hifi, it's the swap partition unless you've explicitly changed something [09:55] if you have multiple swap partitions, I'd expect that it uses the normal swap partition priority [10:00] fuzzybunny69y: https://wiki.edubuntu.org/DebuggingSoundProblems [10:01] cwillu: can I explicitly set which swap partition to use [10:02] hifi, via the usual swap priority mechanism I'd expect, yes. You'd have to look at the relevant docs for whichever hibernation system you're using though [10:02] typically, hibernation is exactly equivilent to swapping everything out, and as such it doesn't typically make much sense to do things differently just because we're hibernating [10:03] cwillu: just in case the first swap is too full to contain the real system memory I'd like to have a different swap for hibernation [10:04] thats really a marginal case, but could happen [10:04] you can add and remove swap files on the fly [10:04] i.e., it'll migrate off a swap file/partition when you remove it via swapoff [10:05] ideally the scripts would handle those cases, but I'm pretty sure they're not doing it yet [10:05] I'm on a bare karmic and writing my suspend scripts by hand [10:05] but it'd be easy to have it check top and allocate a new swapfile on root or /tmp big enough to cover the shortfall, enable it, and then resume the hibernate process [10:06] the only hitch is that afaik swap files can't be sparse files, so you do have to actually allocate the space, which can be expensive in certain circumstances [10:07] I already have a partition with enough space to hold the system memory so I'd like to use it [10:07] so just add it as a normal swap drive [10:07] set it as a low priority if you don't want it used unless absolutely necessary [10:08] ah, that'd work I guess [10:08] pri=value in fstab [10:09] so it'd be pri=0, and then your normal swap partition would be pri=1 [10:18] thanks for your help [10:24] hello [10:24] i use karmic koala [10:25] before my firefox was 3.0, theni think it was 3.5 i dont know [10:25] but now its 3.0.12 [10:25] why its not 3.5 ? [10:26] joohoo: there are still some things that has to be done before 3.5 becomes the default version. [10:27] ok [10:27] i think i had it before and it worked good, but im not sure [10:27] what has to be done? [10:27] when will 3.5 be default? [10:29] when will chromium be default ? [10:30] chromium cant be default cuz its not firfox [10:30] only firefox can be default [10:30] aaha [10:31] joohoo: the list of things to be done is here: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-firefox-3.5 [10:31] I'm not sure if it's up2date though [10:32] chromium is more responsive than firefox. I couldn't use linux with firefox, it reacts to tab changes and stuff 10 times slower than chromium [10:32] floating: chromium isn't ready to be a replacement for Firefox [10:33] tab changes is fast in firefox for me, i have dualcor [10:33] floating: neither is Google Chrome 3.x for Windows - it lacks some features that Firefox has and people use [10:33] yes, not ready to be a replacement for firefox as default browser, but it is ready enough for personal use :) [10:34] I just use both [10:35]