[01:51] <Rocket2DMn> hey guys, as part of firewall documentation re-org, I'm gonna move the page on Uncomplicated Firewall
[01:51] <Rocket2DMn> should I name it UFW or Ufw ?
[01:51] <Rocket2DMn> e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UFW
[01:52] <Rocket2DMn> Same question for the iptables page - probably call it Iptables ?
[20:19] <Rocket2DMn> hey DougieRichardson
[20:19] <Rocket2DMn> can you try and confirm a bug for me?
[20:19] <DougieRichardson> hey rocket2dmn
[20:19] <DougieRichardson> yes
[20:20] <Rocket2DMn> bug 408083
[20:20] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 408083 in ubuntu-docs "Community Docs surge protection is too restrictive" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408083
[20:20] <DougieRichardson> just looking
[20:21] <Rocket2DMn> thanks
[20:22] <DougieRichardson> Refreshed it five times in quick succession and haven't tripped it off - how about you?
[20:22] <Rocket2DMn> really? I tripped it fairly easily
[20:22] <Rocket2DMn> a friend of mine on the beginners team was able to reproduce it, too
[20:23] <Rocket2DMn> i havent been able to view all icons on the IconsPage for probably a year
[20:23] <DougieRichardson> Maybe I'm missing something
[20:24] <Rocket2DMn> nah, i dont think so, its supposed to be fairly straightforward to reproduce
[20:24] <Rocket2DMn> try clearing your cache and refreshing
[20:24] <DougieRichardson> OK
[20:26] <DougieRichardson> No warnings but the images aren't displayed, only their alt text.
[20:26] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, right click and View Image on one of them
[20:26] <Rocket2DMn> one that doesnt show that is
[20:27] <technomensch> intermittent displaying the icons for me as well.  FF, Chrome, IE 8.  never been able to track down cause
[20:28] <Rocket2DMn> hey Marc
[20:28] <technomensch> yo
[20:28] <Rocket2DMn> youve experienced this problem then, too?
[20:28] <DougieRichardson> hey Marc
[20:28] <technomensch> ::nod::  it was especially annoying when I was doing the revamp on /Teams
[20:28] <DougieRichardson> brb - officer commanding household calling
[20:29] <Rocket2DMn> well, glad i'm not the only one
[20:29] <technomensch> dittp
[20:29] <Rocket2DMn> another quirk I've been experiencing for quite some time is that Tables don't always display all borders
[20:29] <technomensch> ayup
[20:29] <technomensch> seeing that as well
[20:30] <Rocket2DMn> Hmm, not sure if that problem is related
[20:30] <Rocket2DMn> ive tried everything to fix it, but nothing has worked
[20:30] <Rocket2DMn> i just figured my FF profile was whacked
[20:30] <technomensch> nope
[20:30] <technomensch> very intermittent
[20:30] <technomensch> and rando
[20:30] <technomensch> happens in all 3 browsers
[20:31] <Rocket2DMn> for me its pretty regular that borders dont show
[20:31] <Rocket2DMn> its actually predictable for me
[20:31] <Rocket2DMn> for instance, the big table on this page - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Padawan
[20:31] <Rocket2DMn> always missing the same parts of the borders
[20:32] <technomensch> I see just one piece of border missing
[20:32] <technomensch> ok
[20:32] <technomensch> now I'm seeing more
[20:32] <technomensch> in chrome under quiz status
[20:33] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, and another large one missing between Bodsda and jamesrfla rows
[20:33] <technomensch> nope, but missing lower border of gastly under seeking masters
[20:34] <Rocket2DMn> hmm, i have that one, but something is messed up
[20:34] <technomensch> sdennie, nhandler, nhasian, forestpixie, LeAstrale
[20:34] <technomensch> complete line is missing under jamesfla
[20:34] <technomensch> and above ajmorris
[20:35] <technomensch> I mean paultag
[20:35] <Rocket2DMn> i see differently, but its the same problem
[20:35] <technomensch> in ie, only line issues are in the last column
[20:36] <technomensch> who knows what rendering issues it might be FF
[20:36] <Rocket2DMn> quite possible
[20:36] <Rocket2DMn> well if somebody could confirm that bug i posted, that would be great
[20:37] <Rocket2DMn> it could potentially be a Wishlist item, but i actually see it as a true bug b/c it prevents you from using the system
[20:40] <Rocket2DMn> DougieRichardson, i'm working with bodhi.zazen on re-org of firewall related pages
[20:40] <Rocket2DMn> I'm going to move this page - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Uncomplicated_Firewall_ufw
[20:40] <Rocket2DMn> I'm thinking of putting it at UFW - does that seem right to you?
[20:41] <Rocket2DMn> rather than "ufw" or "Ufw"
[20:41] <Rocket2DMn> I made a Gufw page a bit ago - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gufw
[20:51] <DougieRichardson> rocket2dmn: OK bodhi mentioned something about it
[20:52] <DougieRichardson> if people know it as ufw I can't see a problem with that. I prefer uppercase for acronyms.
[20:52] <DougieRichardson> oh ffs she's shouting me again - brb
[20:53] <Rocket2DMn> Yeah I prefer uppercase, too.  In the case of ufw it is almost always referred to in lowercase, but that isn't good wiki syntax
[20:54] <Rocket2DMn> Gufw makes sense though b/c that is what it is actually called
[20:54] <popey> evening all
[20:54] <Rocket2DMn> I'll stick with UFW for the ufw page then, I already have a redirect set from there, but I'll swap it with the existing page later
[20:54] <Rocket2DMn> hi popey
[20:54] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn Ya, I think I see that icon bug your talking about, tables too. Didn't notice that before.
[20:55] <starcraftman> lo' popey
[20:55] <Rocket2DMn> yeah starcraftman , the image problem is a much bigger issue than the table one, that is just a minor rendering defect that i can look over.  but missing images causes problems
[20:59] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: Right, I can definitely see how the image problem could really cripple some pages. Meetings soon, who's gonna be controlling the bot?
[21:00] <Rocket2DMn> that's a good questions starcraftman , i have no idea.  I don't think mdke_ is here
[21:01] <mdke_> just arrived
[21:01] <Rocket2DMn> cool, wb and long time no see mdke
[21:01] <starcraftman> Right on time mdke
[21:02]  * DougieRichardson waves to mdke
[21:02] <mdke> yeah, hi Rocket2DMn
[21:02]  * andrew_sayers doffs his cap
[21:02]  * mdke waves back to DougieRichardson 
[21:03] <DougieRichardson> shall we get started?
[21:04] <DougieRichardson> mdke are you doing the business?
[21:04] <mdke> ok, let's move to #ubuntu-meeting
[21:21] <DougieRichardson> hey dinda
[21:21] <dinda> DougieRichardson: hey there!
[21:21]  * DougieRichardson waves to Dinda
[21:22] <DougieRichardson> You _just_ missed a discussion on the adoption of DITA and Mallard
[21:22] <dinda> is there a doc team meeting today?  or did I miss it?
[21:22] <DougieRichardson> its on now in ubuntu-meeting
[21:23] <dinda> okay, heading there now
[21:28] <Rocket2DMn> wb dsas , team meeting in #ubuntu-meeting right now
[21:29] <dsas> thanks Rocket2DMn, think DougieRichardson needs to update his identica notice!
[21:30] <Rocket2DMn> haha, blame UTC for being confusing
[21:30] <DougieRichardson> what the one that says now?
[21:30] <DougieRichardson> lol
[21:30] <dsas> DougieRichardson: the one that says in #ubuntu-docs :p
[21:31] <DougieRichardson> dsas no it doesn't!
[21:33] <dsas> uhmm
[21:33] <dsas> my eyes must be broke. sorry.
[21:33] <DougieRichardson> lol
[22:54]  * popey is off to get an early night.. nn DOCrs
[22:54] <mdke> you mean transfer to popey2
[22:54] <mdke> Shane_Fagan: shoot
[22:55] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, question for you
[22:55] <popey> :)
[22:55] <Rocket2DMn> mdke, do we still want to keep existing "homepages" on h.u.c?  Or should they be deleted?
[22:55] <Shane_Fagan> Ok well im just really crap at docbook and im trying to fix up the video editing software because it sucks and its out of date
[22:56] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: tricky one
[22:56] <Rocket2DMn> i know.  Last summer you said we could leave them for the time being
[22:57] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I'm not 100% sure - I guess leaving them is the easiest
[22:57] <Rocket2DMn> Yeah, a bit messy sometimes though
[22:57] <mdke> or moving them to the team wiki and putting a redirect?
[22:57] <Rocket2DMn> we don't need a final decision or anything right now
[22:57] <Rocket2DMn> I'm not a fan of redirecting homepages
[22:57] <mdke> Shane_Fagan: ok, what issues have you had?
[22:58] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreenCasts/VideoEditing I just want to make a good page for the system docs
[22:58] <Rocket2DMn> most are just old and dont have a matching entry on w.u.c.  we can leave them for now i guess.  i can ask in another year, or you can let me know if you change your mind
[22:58] <Rocket2DMn> cheers
[22:59] <mdke> heh
[22:59] <mdke> Rocket2DMn: I'm more than open to ideas
[22:59] <Rocket2DMn> ill see what i can come up with mdke , ill get back to you on this subject
[22:59] <mdke> :)
[22:59] <mdke> Shane_Fagan: ok
[23:00] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: Then look at the page in the system docs for the same thing https://help.ubuntu.com/9.04/musicvideophotos/C/video-editing.html
[23:01] <mdke> ok
[23:03] <Shane_Fagan> Its all on bug #378248
[23:03] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 378248 in ubuntu-docs "Video editing docs need work" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/378248
[23:04] <Shane_Fagan> The thing is that there are 2 main video editors pitivi and kino and they both do similar things the only difference is that kino has to convert the files that the user is editing to .dv files
[23:06] <Shane_Fagan> Oh and kdenlive
[23:07] <mdke> Shane_Fagan: I'll review your amended patch asap but from memory the docbook in the previous version was fine
[23:09] <Shane_Fagan> it was only one line and it didnt really explain the software
[23:09]  * mdke nods
[23:09] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: I need to submit a better patch than the one attached there
[23:12] <mdke> Shane_Fagan: ok - it's quite a difficult subject I agree, because it's not obvious how to differentiate between the different editors
[23:12] <mdke> I wonder if we should just be recommended the best one, and seek to document that more fully, hopefully referring to its existing documentation
[23:13] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: well id recommend pitivi myself after using that for a while
[23:14] <mdke> that's the recommended gnome app, isn't it?
[23:14] <Shane_Fagan> Yep
[23:15] <mdke> sounds good
[23:15] <mdke> does it have online documentation that could be linked to?
[23:15] <Shane_Fagan> Hmmm ill look
[23:15] <mdke> I guess it has system documentation too, but it's difficult to link to that because it isn't installed by default
[23:16] <Shane_Fagan> Got it http://www.pitivi.org/wiki/Manual
[23:16] <Shane_Fagan> Its a little outdated
[23:21] <mdke> ok
[23:21] <Shane_Fagan> mdke: Ill try whip something up tomorrow, ill attach it to the bug and ping you or dougie
[23:21] <mdke> still better than nothing, I suspect
[23:21] <mdke> Shane_Fagan: good plan, thanks
[23:21] <mdke> if you attach it to the bug, it'll get reviewed
[23:21] <Shane_Fagan> yep I know the routine
[23:22] <mdke> cool, thanks
[23:22] <mdke> bedtime for me
[23:23] <Shane_Fagan> nn