=== giovani|1ork is now known as giovani|defcon [01:47] Even though I use hardy, can I still install a deb built for intrepid? [01:48] Bilge: can you technically? yes -- it's very possible it won't work properly [01:50] I wouldn't know why [01:50] I can just built it myself though so whatever [01:52] Bilge: well why (or if) depends on the exact application -- could depend on library versions that you don't have, for example [01:52] it could also place things in directories not used in your version [01:53] lots of things change -- many things don't -- which is why there's no generic answer [01:59] anyone have any idea why rsync'ing large amounts of data is causing a kernel panic on the receiving server? [02:00] tsrk_: could be lots of things -- bad ram -- bug in kernel, rsync -- etc [02:01] I presume you've googled? [02:01] giovani|defcon, yeah, also I should mention it doesn't happen when it goes the other way [02:01] there's some networking related things in the stacktrace though so i'm wondering if it's something with ssh [02:38] Good evening. I have a quick question: Is it possible to install Ubuntu Server over SSH (once I get the CD in and potentially set a password and start sshd)? [03:07] nick125: by "over ssh" you mean what? [03:07] doing an interactive install via a pts? [03:07] giovani|defcon: Going through the interactive prompts over SSH [03:07] yep [03:08] nick125: not that I know of -- not sure why you'd want to [03:08] Apparently, this piece of documentation says there is a way in the installer menu to do it [03:08] serial console, kvmoip, or automated install [03:08] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole [03:08] nick125: if it's in the "menu" it sounds like it https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole [03:08] whoops, sorry -- bad paste [03:09] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/NetworkConsole [03:09] hah -- my tablet is failing [03:09] giovani|defcon: Don't worry, this ducttape will fix it! [03:10] ok [03:10] it looks messy [03:10] I see no reason to do it [03:10] * nick125 backs the data up from his server [03:10] but if you'd like to have your remote hands set that up for you -- go ahead [03:11] Well, my server isn't remote, it's just that it's too uncomfortable to sit there and work on it for any period of time [03:11] then use serial console [03:11] that's the proper approach [03:12] the install should take minutes [03:12] you can also automate it [03:12] Knowing my luck, it'll take a few hours :p [03:12] why? [03:13] It would find a way to take hours. [03:13] if you want to convince yourself of that ... ok [03:13] Hmm....I wonder if I could setup a serial console to the desktop sitting next to my server, then SSH into that box..hmm [03:14] why would you need to do that (I mean, you can ... but) [03:15] It's going to take a bit of time to initialize the 3x160GB RAID-5 (320GB total volume size), then the LVM PV/VG..... [03:15] I guess I could just leave it and let it do its thing [03:16] Should I make a separate partition for /boot that isn't on the RAID? [03:16] doesn't sound like a big deal === giovani|defcon is now known as is === is is now known as giovani|defcon [03:16] nick125: is this hardware raid? [03:16] giovani|defcon: software [03:17] The motherboard in my server supports fakeraid, but I think I would rather avoid it (especially with the mix of different SATA controllers) [03:21] in general, I stay away from software raid [03:22] but yeah, I'd keep /boot off of it -- just in case the array is broken [03:24] And the initrd included with Ubuntu Server works just fine for RAID/LVM? [03:27] I sort of wish I'd gone for software RAID on the last server I put in. [03:27] the issue is grub -- grub supports lvm [03:27] it seems to support some raid levels (1, notably) [03:28] The last Linux install I did, I put /boot on RAID 1 [03:28] ok, well from what I raid, grub will support it [03:28] but I see no reason to use it for /boot [03:33] So if one drive fails, there's another drive to boot from [03:33] not if the MBR isn't there ... [03:34] which it won't be [03:35] You can install the MBR to the other drives too [03:36] yes, but it wouldn't be there normally [03:36] just use real raid [03:37] I don't have money for a $400-500 RAID controller [03:38] I'm sure ours didn't cost that much. [03:39] nick125: try 1/10-1/5th of that [03:39] A real RAID controller for $50? [03:39] (or so) [03:39] $500 will buy you a high-end 8 port PCI-X controller [03:39] nick125: on the low end, yes [03:40] somewhere between $50-100 [03:40] Ours has batteries on it for some reason. [03:40] ball: yeah ... that's normal [03:41] ...to back up the cache RAM I suppose [03:41] to make sure the drives don't get corrupted mid power cut [03:47] I need to go and lay down now [04:22] yeah, I wouldn't bother with anything that wasn't at least $60, and even then, that's usually just a high performance disk controller, no RAID functions [04:23] you don [04:23] you don't have to spend a fortune on something really fancy, but at least get something like a highpoint rocketraid [04:24] if you don't, you're better off just using mdraid than whatever fakeraid controllers you can get [04:51] I like RAID, me. [05:23] greets - I'm fairly new to ubuntu server, but very familliar with kubuntu and ubuntu...how do I enable remote login to an ubuntu server? [05:25] gherring: you install openssh-server [05:26] ok....thanks for that. [05:26] I can look up the rest - thank you [05:26] you could've looked that up as well :) [05:28] well, your correct - but i wanted a somewhat expert opinion and the closest I figured i could get was coming in here and asking :) [05:28] an expert opinion on the ssh server package name? [05:30] no...i'm no stranger to command line and i can follow a walkthrough [05:30] i'm not good with servers...yet [05:30] uh, ok [05:30] so you're not familiar with ssh? [05:30] or how to log into them remotely [05:30] no, i've never used it but heard of it [05:30] then you probably should be using your desktop more [05:31] ssh is hardly limited to "servers" [05:31] scenario: i can (and do) vpn to a microsoft network every weekend - they want to install an ubuntu server [05:32] i need to be able to log into it after they install it [05:32] you shouldn't be administering a server for a company/organization if you've never done it before ... [05:33] it's ok...seriously. the admin is my brother [05:33] if you've never used SSH before ... I would advise you to take a huge step backwards [05:33] and learn the basics [05:33] i'm practicing [05:33] ok, where should i start then? [05:33] you should start by learning linux basics [05:33] and your desktop is a perfectly fine place to start [05:34] I know alot of the basics [05:34] ok [05:34] honestly, I beg to differ [05:34] i'm going to take your word on this [05:34] SSH is an extremely basic utility -- if you haven't used it yet -- you probably haven't spent much time with Linux [05:34] i'm not as 'swift' as i think i am [05:35] ok...is there a way I can practice using ssh? [05:35] sure ... the point wasn't really about SSH, just that it was evidence of your experience level [05:35] I have an ubuntu server in virtualbox installed and ready [05:35] get two linux boxes [05:36] use ssh to remotely connect to the other [05:36] I'd probably get a book on linux if I were you [05:36] I have to boxes next to each other right now...and a spare hp hub [05:36] You could still do that with virtualbox [05:36] learning piece-meal is likely to leave a lot of gaps in your knowledge [05:37] i do have huge gaps in my knowledge...but i can learn [05:37] what book on linux would you recommend? [05:37] I don't have one off-hand [05:38] surf amazon for one with a lot of good reviews [05:38] ask around [05:38] something like 'ubuntu server handbook'? [05:38] ? [05:38] i have an amazon account - i can do that tonight [05:38] account? browsing books doesn't require one [05:39] but is there a way I can practice ssh skills using virtualbox ose? [05:39] sigh [05:39] ok - sorry [05:39] unfortunately, you seem to be focusing on SSH [05:39] you brought it up...i'm hooked [05:39] which is exactly what I'm trying to tell you not to do -- it was just an -example- [05:39] ok..letting go of it [05:40] start with a basic book ... read the book [05:40] basic book on server or ubuntu in general? [05:41] btw, i appreciate your patience [05:41] you want something server-oriented -- the first thing you have to understand is that there's nothing that solidly differentiates a "server" from a "desktop" [05:41] those distinctions are largely made up -- and have more to do with function than the OS itself [05:42] ok... [05:42] ahhhh i see [05:42] ubuntu server and ubuntu desktop are the same OS [05:42] right [05:42] i've done minimal install before and totally agree with that [05:42] they use a different kernel -- that's it -- and that has to do with hardware support, and special features only people running servers typiclaly care about [05:43] other than that -- they offer the exact same software [05:43] right right.... [05:43] ok, so the knowledge won't differ [05:43] between a "desktop" and a "server" [05:43] i've installed a server kernel before on an xubuntu desktop system [05:43] other than application-specific stuff [05:44] right...i understand [05:45] so on a minimal install when i choose server it automatically selects a server kernel [05:46] or i could have chosen ubuntu desktop, but whatever - same frame work [05:46] Note that support for server software is significantly longer, though [05:46] Regarding security updates and such [05:47] twb - ok, understood [05:47] <3 Ubuntu server, mostly [05:47] I imagine the at the desktop kernel also has some basic "tuning" for a desktop role (e.g. more RTOS stuff) [05:48] twb`: sure, I don't think that's relevant to a basic understanding of them being the same OS [05:48] giovani|defcon: granted. [05:49] unfortunately, ubuntu has focused on differentiating the products in a marketing sense [05:49] which only serves to misinform, imo [05:49] glovan - oh, i see...causing some confusion [05:50] it's a windows thing [05:50] giovani|defcon: it's a necessary evil when dealing with the corporate space [05:50] commercial-focused (read: microsoft market-focused) distros began the whole "desktop" v "server" distinction [05:50] twb`: ubuntu isn't accepted in any significant way in the commercial space [05:51] It is where I hang out === twb` is now known as twb [05:51] clearly you're not looking at the big picture [05:51] Eh, Ubuntu Server is a slightly different product. Different kernel settings and different default packages are a pretty big deal. It's like lamenting over the disinction between Ubuntu and Kubuntu. [05:51] how many fortune 1000 run ubuntu as a major part of their infrastrcuture? [05:51] lukehasnoname: I've already covered that [05:51] I just hopped in [05:51] giovani|defcon: there is a huge difference between multinationals and corporations in general [05:52] twb: pick any metric you like [05:52] ubuntu is a nonexistant player in the corporate space [05:52] In the SMEs I deal with, CentOS has lost a lot of ground to Ubuntu Server. [05:52] show me any evidence to the contrary [05:52] SMEs? -- name a few [05:52] Well actually the deployments I'm most familiar with are prisons [05:53] prisons are enterprises? [05:53] giovani|defcon: [05:53] yes [05:53] Here, they're government. [05:53] I suppose if they're commercially-owned and leased to the government [05:53] how big is the computing infrastrcuture at a prison you're talking about? [05:54] around 300 desktops each [05:54] wow [05:54] that's ... [05:54] not an enterprise [05:54] that's a small-medium business [05:54] I've lost interest in this discussion. [05:54] my company has almost 2000 servers, and we're considered a small business by most standards [05:54] giovani|defcon: Most standards is wrong, then [05:55] I work at a bank with 4,000 servers running several OSes, a multitude of apps, with a customer base of 6m [05:55] lukehasnoname: how any of the 4,000 are ubuntu? [05:55] divide that by two and you're still big or medium big [05:55] s/any/many/ [05:56] None. I wasn't making that point, if you're trying to gun after me. I'm arguing that 2k servers is not 'small' [05:56] no, I'm not gunning -- I'm using you as a random sample [05:56] We run Solaris 9, RHEL 4, AIX, and Windows 2003/2008 [05:56] mostly [05:56] I don't know what else [05:56] worse than random, really -- since you're in #ubuntu-server -- and clearly a user [05:57] I'm also clearly a user -- I think it's a great distro [05:57] I think it's a horrible distro, but the alternatives are a lot worse. [05:57] but I acknowledge its lack of presence in the medium-large commercial space -- which is the market that defines the success of Linux distros, overall [05:57] i've tried several linux distros - ubuntu has been the most stable for me [05:57] I sure a shit wouldn't want to babysit a bunch of AIX boxes [05:57] twb, you don't like Ubuntu? [05:58] lol @ twb [05:58] I think Ubuntu has a great job of taking Debian and running it into the ground. [05:58] heh [05:58] then clearly you belong in #debian [05:58] wow - again [05:58] Elaborate. I'm seriously interested in hearing the other side of the fence. [05:58] Also, Are you talking about desktop or server space? [05:58] I assume server. [05:59] lukehasnoname: it's more from a package maintainer's perspective. [05:59] For example, reportbug(1) on Ubuntu for a long time silently sent email to a subscriber-only mailing list [05:59] launchpad requires you to create an account to report bugs, and isn't AGPLd [06:00] Launchpad is AGPLed, isn't it? [06:00] recent development. [06:00] twb: I think you inteded to saw wasn't? :) [06:00] s/saw/say/ [06:00] lukehasnoname: OK, I must be out of date on that. [06:01] NetworkManager has fucked me repeatedly, and there was a change in d-i in hardy that meant that it tried to talk to archive.ubuntu.com before it asked you about proxies, which meant on a broken network I maintained, that you basically HAD to preseed or d-i would take like eight hours to install [06:02] admittedly, I haven't run Ubuntu Server on advanced or troubled configurations [06:02] I don't think I can point to any one huge aggravation [06:02] And Ubuntu have definitely improved some things [06:03] And I prefer Ubuntu in pretty much every way to RHEL or Solaris :-) [06:03] I wanted to like Opensolaris, but I just didn't get into it [06:03] I think the packaging is a total mess [06:03] I even got a book on Osol, I was so interested [06:04] You think that's bad, you should see OS X. [06:04] Solaris? -- let's stick to distro comparisons here [06:13] Back [06:13] Had to get a real IRC client [06:14] irc://irc.debian.org [06:14] damnit [06:14] lukehasnoname: now we know where your loyalties lie :) [06:14] I want to ask about some recent Debian news I heard [06:14] - kFreeBSD support, introducing the first non-linux architecture into Debian [06:15] Does this mean the FreeBSD kernel will be an official branch in the Debian project? [06:16] lukehasnoname: as far as I know, yes [06:17] not a "branch" but a port, yes [06:17] Debian GNU/kFreeBSD has been around for ages [06:17] Ya, I know [06:17] But I think like Debian GNU (as in GNU/Hurd), it has like five people who use it at all [06:18] well, since FreeBSD is a technically superior platform... [06:18] >_> [06:18] <_< [06:18] I just wish the Solaris kernel didn't have the CDDL of death [06:18] By all accounts it's a rockin' kernel [06:19] But Nexenta is too hairy for me, due to CDDL/GPL fights in dpkg and such. [06:19] heh -- let's talk about how ssl died circa defcon 2009 [06:19] giovani|defcon: openssl? [06:19] all major ssl implementations [06:20] in one form or another [06:20] tons of attacks released [06:21] protip: Don't wipe your database until you're sure you don't have any apps using it [06:21] ffffffuuuuuuuuuu [06:21] lukehasnoname: And even then, back it up first [06:23] lukehasnoname: Ouch. Well, if you didn't have backups before, now you do. [06:23] ya, this is kinda lame. [06:24] Taking adequate backups is a lesson EVERYONE learns the hard way [06:24] Hm. In /etc/network/interfaces lingo, what is the equivalent to ip addr add ? [06:26] post-up ip addr add ? [06:26] You want the interface to have two IPs? [06:26] twb: yes [06:27] You could also try just listing two "address" lines [06:27] However, for some reason, dhcpd doesn't like serving addresses on the same subnet as a ethN:X alias. [06:27] Good idea. [06:28] Wait. What if the two addresses have a different netmask? [06:28] Dunno. [06:28] I do not normally do what you're talking about [06:28] Nobody seems to. :) [06:29] Can I have multiple post-up lines (if needed)? [06:29] Why do you want to? [06:29] Yes, post-up lines are run serially IIUC [06:29] Or you can put stuff in /etc/network/if-up.d/ [06:30] Great. Thank you. [06:30] Good news: I was able to get torrentflux back up and running with minimal pain [06:33] Be nice when apt-torrent gets off the ground [06:34] o_O? [06:50] [06:54] http://pastie.org/568384 <---- the permissions are 777 and I'm in the dev group, but I still change chmod g+w that file.... anybody know why not? [07:05] how do you make rdiff-backup perform full mirror even though there's a previous backup present? [07:06] the more diffs there are, the slower it is to restore [07:07] Wow, so annoying. [07:07] I was hoping phpMyBitTorrent would be an all in one solution [07:08] I want to choose a file, have a .torrent made, and load it to a tracker and seed, all in one step. [07:08] *a private tracker on my server [07:09] Doesn't rdiff-backup just do a cp -al then an rsync, like rsnapshot? [07:09] twb, no, it saves diffs [07:10] Ew. [07:10] not really [07:10] it's pwerful [07:10] Does it use --only-batch? [07:10] eh? [07:11] rsync --only-write-batch, I mean [07:11] it uses librsync [07:11] Ah, I didn't know that. [07:11] rsnapshot is just perl or something [07:11] rdiff-backup is a delicious combination of mirror backup and incremental backup [07:12] So is rsnapshot [07:12] problem is the more time passes by, there are more diffs to patch against, so restore gets slower [07:12] I want to put some cron job every month to put a full mirror so it won't be as slow [07:13] rsnapshot assumes you're backing up to a (possibly remote) hard disk, so you can just use hard links to get incrementality at zero cost. [07:13] A restore is as fast as a single backup [07:13] what about size? [07:13] It wouldn't work with tapes or DVDs, though [07:14] LiraNuna: you mean size of the thing being backed up? Arbitrary. [07:14] anyway, I'm just seeking advice of how to overcome this problem [07:14] Sorry, I went off on a tangent [07:15] no problem, I didn't want to start 'backup warz' here :) [07:15] Mea culpa. [07:18] -b, --backup-mode [07:18] Force backup mode even if first argument appears to be an incre‐ [07:18] ment or mirror file. [07:18] whoops [07:18] will that destroy past diffs? [07:21] At this point I would see if rdiff-backup has a dedicated channel. [08:19] Well, at least there is no official or well known rdiff-backup channel. [08:19] LiraNuna: At current stage, rdiff-backup can only have one full mirror, the rest is reverse diff. [08:22] Good evening (or morning) :) [08:42] Is there a trick to deploying a war to Tomcat? [08:42] I dropped a war in /usr/share/tomcat6/webapps/ like I was told === dendrobates_ is now known as dendrobates [10:31] New bug: #407923 in samba (main) "package samba-common 2:3.3.2-1ubuntu3.1 failed to install/upgrade: Unterprozess post-installation script gab den Fehlerwert 1 zur?ck" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407923 [11:08] what does "sudo mount /etc/mysql" do ? [11:09] in fstab it says "/vol/etc/mysql /etc/mysql none bind" [11:19] quizme: Unless /vol/etc/mysql is mounted at /etc/mysql, that is what will be attempted. [11:24] hello...i am having problems with my cups system...i just install that in a new server, when i try to print to one of the printer that I install, doesn't print and shows a message in "processing since" and don't do nothing else...somebody can helo me please [11:44] andol: i'm totally confused. i don't know how my mysql database got onto /vol/var/lib/mysql, because my fstab doesn't have such an entry. [11:44] yet it works [11:44] and it's there [11:47] quizme: Talk to the person who installed the server? [12:05] Hm. Apparently, I broke my networking. [12:18] New bug: #397721 in php5 "[needs-packaging] php-fpm" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397721 === holoway_ is now known as holoway [15:15] cjwatson: Wondering if you, being Mr. OpenSSH, have any opion on whatever bug #362511 being important enough to backport the upstream patch? Goten the impression what we now don't watch to be to creative with our OpenSSH packages :) [15:15] Launchpad bug 362511 in openssh "force-command unable to pass arguments along to internal-sftp" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/362511 [17:07] hey guys [17:08] I am trying to run this php script and I am getting this Extension './dirtotal.php' not present. [17:08] I have #!/usr/bin/php -q at the top [17:08] and change the permissions to +x [17:08] and I am calling it like ./dirtotal.php [17:08] am I doing something wrong? [17:09] I have a php script that is being called in a cronjob and that works fine [17:10] anyone [17:10] ? [17:12] Acs: Is "./dirtotal.php" what you have in cron? Is current working directory specified in any way? [17:12] no no the dirtotal.php is the script I am trying to run in the cli [17:13] in the cron it's another script [17:15] Acs: Try specifying the full path to dirtotal.php instead [17:16] anyone can help me plz [17:16] andol I have fixed by calling it with php [17:16] so php dirtotal.php works [17:16] thanks for the help [17:17] how to add ips in ubuntu server [17:17] wats the command or where must i add the ips [17:20] anyone can help me plz - how do u add ips in ubuntu server [17:20] DiViN3: man interfaces [17:23] giovani|defcon : sorry to say but m not that good with all that stated in there as i cant seem to understand [17:23] giovani|defcon : all i did was read up from internet n setup my server [17:24] giovani|defcon : i found out that by doing : ifconfig eth0 add 1.2.3.4 <--- the ip is added [17:24] but some web say that i need to add the additional ips as virtual ips [17:24] so that they can be binded for vhost [18:04] anyone can help me with how to bind vhost for irc [18:04] my revesre is not functioning [18:29] can anyone help me ace this discussion at: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1228878 its related to servers [18:53] My whole file system is mounted read only. Will rebooting fix this? [18:56] eVo_Divini: depends on the cause [19:15] eVo_Divini: If the system mount your (root) file system read only it might very well be because it detected some problems at mount time. [19:15] eVo_Divini: If you look in /etc/fstab you might find the mount option "errors=remount-ro". [19:21] New bug: #405325 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 (main) "package mysql-server-5.0 5.1.30really5.0.75-0ubuntu10.2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405325 [19:37] I just swapped the processor out on my rig, should I run anything when I boot up to make sure the kernel detects everything properly? [19:50] I found it andol [19:51] upon rebooting, the server hung [19:51] not sure why [19:51] the provider is working on it [20:43] Good afternoon. On a server without VT/SVM, what virtualization method would you guys recommend, other than VMware Server? If I could run full-virtualization guests (i.e., Windows if the need comes up), that's a plus. [22:09] KVM [22:16] i can't get a channel list, but what is the name of the ubuntu kvm channel [22:16] #ubuntu-virt [23:03] is there a way to boot up rescue mode with no networking? or more to the point, how can i stop a module from loading at boot? [23:06] incorrect_: Add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf . [23:17] jpds, init=/bin/bash and i hacked it out, bonded bridged interfaces = weird kernel panic [23:41] hey, can someone tell me the 32 bit library name? =)