[00:17] <jkakar> Is LP being upgraded?
[00:17] <jkakar> I can't push a branch that I was pushing successfully 10 minutes ago.
[00:18] <jkakar> Hmm, working now. I guess edge must have been auto-updating or something.
[00:20] <mwhudson> jkakar: edge updates are 0800 utc, so i doubt it was that
[00:29] <jkakar> mwhudson: This is what I saw: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/244926/
[00:29] <mwhudson> jkakar: ah, bet that was logrotate bouncing the internal xmlrpc server
[00:29] <thumper> xmlrpc server?
[00:29] <mwhudson> spm: can you confirm the timing of that?
[00:29] <thumper> mwhudson: that makes sense
[00:31] <spm> mwhudson: jkakar: about 30 minutes ago? yes, was the xmlrpc being rotated.
[00:31] <mwhudson> we need to find a way to stop that happening :/
[00:32] <jkakar> spm, mwhudson: This happened something like 14-17 minutes ago.
[00:32] <jkakar> I'm stepping away to go the beach... thanks for checking into it. :)
[01:48] <poolie> thumper: hello?
[01:49] <poolie> thumper: i think you should pull the branch sparklines from the site until they've been sorted out
[01:49] <poolie> they look pretty bad atm
[01:50] <lifeless> I think the idea is flawed
[01:50] <lifeless> most branches have the same content and thus the same graph
[01:50] <lifeless> and its too fine detail for presenting in that space
[01:50] <poolie> i agree
[01:50] <thumper> hmm...
[01:50] <poolie> though, also, they're presenting *precisely* the same content
[01:51] <thumper> they can look pretty bad
[01:51] <poolie> so i think something is also technically broken
[01:51] <thumper> not so much on a personal page where you have different projects
[01:51] <thumper> but
[01:51] <lifeless> thumper: I've yet to see one that looks good :(
[01:51] <thumper> I do see your pain
[01:51] <poolie> thumper: what would Tufte do? :)
[01:51] <thumper> perhaps we move them to the branch page and make them bigger
[01:51] <wgrant> On edge they're utterly broken, but that's fine.
[01:51] <lifeless> thumper: what problem are they trying to solve?
[01:51] <thumper> poolie: I don't know who Tufte is
[01:51] <wgrant> On production they're just very ugly and a bit broken.
[01:52] <poolie> thumper: the design guru who invented sparklines
[01:52] <poolie> author of The Visual Display of something or other
[01:52] <poolie> beuno went to some of his seminars
[01:52] <thumper> poolie: ah
[01:52] <thumper> lifeless: I think they are trying to show activity of a sort
[01:53] <poolie> i think the general idea of 'show something about activity' is good
[01:53] <poolie> great even
[01:53] <poolie> and i'm fine with doing it through small inline graphics
[01:53] <poolie> but these are not it
[01:53] <poolie> so we should be bold and pull them
[01:53] <lifeless> thumper: they aren't doing that though; not in an approachable/useful way *for our data set*
[01:54] <thumper> hmm
[01:54] <thumper> yeah
[01:54] <wgrant> Maybe one big sparkline on the project page showing all the project's revisions. A separate sparkline for each branch is crazy.
[01:54] <lifeless> thumper: what they show is commit rate over time; thats not actually that interesting a figure
[01:54] <thumper> lifeless: what should we show then?
[01:55] <lifeless> thumper: I have some ideas.
[01:55] <lifeless> for a sparkline on branch pages, I'd suggest downloads per day
[01:55] <lifeless> and only show 2 weeks
[01:55] <poolie> i think seeing a representation of the diffstat to the trunk or the diffstat churn per day may be interesting
[01:56] <thumper> lifeless: we don't have download counts
[01:56] <lifeless> thumper: I know; nevertheless, as both a user and creator of branches, *that* would be the most interesting thing when looking at branches
[01:56] <poolie> but my main point is: pulling them off would be an improvement; nobody is counting on them being there; we don't have to have a better idea to recognize they're a problem
[01:56] <spm> thumper: poolie: (as I glance to my bookshelf beside me) Tufte: The Visual Display of Quantitative Information; and Envisioning Information. Plus others, but those 2 are the more renowned. While Tufte is good!, personally I prefer Few's books. Easier to "geddit".
[01:56] <lifeless> and I'm arguing with poolie
[01:56] <lifeless> I *don't think we need to replace sparklines right now*
[01:56] <poolie> film at 11 :)
[01:57] <poolie> oh, why?
[01:57] <poolie> they look pretty crap
[01:57] <lifeless> poolie: yes, lets pull them
[01:57] <lifeless> I've been filing bugs for a while now
[01:57] <lifeless> just drop the column
[01:57] <lifeless> or put it back to plain text
[01:57] <poolie> oh so what are we arguing about then?
[01:57] <poolie> :)
[01:57] <lifeless> poolie: we're on the same team in the debate, is what I meant
[01:57] <lifeless> epic-irc-fail
[01:58] <poolie> heh, indeed
[01:58] <poolie> paging esperanto advocates :)
[01:58] <poolie> (to explain why that ambiguous "with" is a bug in English)
[01:58] <lifeless> thumper: so, while we can talk about what would be really awesome to show there - and I have a list of concepts including poolies outstanding-delta suggestion; I think thats a different discussion to unbreaking the UI
[01:59] <lifeless> totally offtopic, but well worth watching: http://media.smh.com.au/national/breaking-news/demolition-in-turkey-goes-wrong-661149.html
[02:00] <thumper> lifeless: we should have a call some time with beuno
[02:00] <poolie> *applause*
[02:01] <poolie> he'd agree with me
[02:01] <lifeless> http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0001OR&topic_id=1
[02:03] <thumper> poolie: beuno did the spark lines
[02:03] <poolie> those pages are beautiful
[02:03] <lifeless> thumper: do you mean about 'what should we do there', or about 'lets make the page readable again by disabling a misfeature until we have something better'
[02:03] <thumper> lifeless: lets pull them for now, and address the issues
[02:03] <lifeless> \o/
[02:03] <poolie> i have enormous respect for beuno but this is too obviously "ooh, cool idea, let's try it"
[02:04]  * poolie stops beating
[02:10] <beuno> poolie, lifeless, thumper, sparklines are meant to show if the project's trunk is active
[02:10] <beuno> that't it
[02:10] <beuno> and it does a good job at it
[02:10] <beuno> the fact that all branches show it now is a bug introduced by someone else
[02:10] <beuno> (Paul)
[02:10] <thumper> beuno: it was a fix for the "wrong sparkline shown"
[02:10] <beuno> *only* trunk should show it
[02:10] <beuno> thumper, right, and fixed that, and broke something else
[02:11]  * thumper nods
[02:11] <beuno> I agree they're just noise today
[02:11] <beuno> but not for trunk
[02:11] <thumper> beuno: well, some argue that
[02:11] <beuno> I've seen many people use them to find out if the project is active or not
[02:11] <beuno> it is however useless to project owners
[02:11] <beuno> which are the people complaining
[02:11] <beuno> for all of those who wonder if that plugin is maintained
[02:12] <beuno> sparklines give them an instant answer
[02:12] <poolie> beuno: yeah, i think 'is this thing active' is a very important question
[02:12] <beuno> so we need to do something useful for project owners, I agree
[02:12] <poolie> um
[02:12] <poolie> i'm not so sure that a sparkline of commit activity over 90 days really shows that
[02:12] <beuno> but dropping them makes things worst again, with no real benefit to project owners
[02:13] <poolie> as compared to say just the number of commits in 90 days
[02:13] <poolie> is there a consistent vertical scale across all branches?
[02:13] <wgrant> (the number of commits in the last month is already at the top of that page)
[02:14] <beuno> no, no common scale
[02:14] <beuno> the number of commits can be more deceptive, this give you the information a bit better
[02:14] <beuno> not fantastic, but better
[02:14] <beuno> they're there as a first stepping stone
[02:14] <poolie> i completely support crossing that river in small steps
[02:15] <poolie> it just seems to me that they're all essentially going to show random noise
[02:15] <poolie> unless it's totally flat
[02:15] <poolie> if you could see that some are relatively flat and some are very high that would be different
[02:16] <poolie> it emphasizes the change in commit rate from day to day but i think that's just noise?
[02:16] <poolie> in the examples in the page robert pointed to, there really can be a trend over time
[02:16] <lifeless> beuno: I get the point you're making, but - and I do look at other projects - it still hasn't told me whether the project is active on another project in a meaningful way
[02:16] <poolie> in say a patient's temperature or a stock's price
[02:16] <poolie> but i don't think commit rate really has trends
[02:16] <poolie> um
[02:17] <poolie> now by contrast you could show, say, number of distinct people committing per week or month
[02:17] <poolie> that might plausibly have a pattern
[02:17] <beuno> yes, that may be better
[02:18] <lifeless> I'd love to see a sparkline with out the distracting text - put it on the right - and showing change-size (not commit rate), or bugfix-count, or downloads.
[02:18] <poolie> i'm not trying to be overly critical here
[02:18] <beuno> I'm very keen on taking this on again, now that I don't have to worry about the technology
[02:18] <lifeless> but really, *users* is the key thing
[02:18] <poolie> if we undo the apparent bug so that it's only shown on the main branch
[02:18] <poolie> that would be ok
[02:18] <poolie> though i'd kind of rather pull them entirely until we have a better plan
[02:18] <lifeless> me too
[02:19]  * beuno has to go
[02:19] <lifeless> I think its useful to experiment
[02:19] <lifeless> and adding them was an experiment
[02:19] <beuno> but I'm interested in taking this up again
[02:19] <beuno> :)
[02:19] <lifeless> but we have to be willing to say that the experiment failed, back it out, and try a new one
[02:19]  * beuno wants them there, as he's seen users use them
[02:20] <lifeless> beuno: there are lots of things people will use; we have to choose carefully which ones go where
[02:24] <lifeless> beuno: the biggest problem I have with the sparklines today is that the eye is drawn to the overlap of text and sparkline - the bad rendering.
[02:24] <lifeless> beuno: its *that* that makes them unattractive and the page hard to read
[02:28] <thumper> lifeless: I don't get any overlap
[02:28] <thumper> lifeless: so perhaps giving your font details somewhere may help tack the rendering problem
[02:29] <lifeless> thumper: I filed a bug the day they landed, or thereabouts
[02:29] <lifeless> thumper: last I heard it hadn't been closed
[02:29] <thumper> lifeless: yeah... I recall seeing it I think
[02:29] <lifeless> https://code.launchpad.net/~lifeless
[02:29] <lifeless> *not* edge
[02:30] <lifeless> that page has a single sparkline on it, showing both the '5 max commits' overlapping the line, and the '90 days..' overlapping the horizontal divider
[02:31] <thumper> lifeless: yeah, not for me
[02:41] <poolie> i get overlap too
[02:53] <kklimonda> hmm.. I have a problem uploading to ppa, I think I've misconfigured something in my .dputrc
[02:53] <kklimonda> I get error http://paste.ubuntu.com/245104/ (dputrc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/245103/)
[02:53] <kklimonda> well, I've swapped links..
[02:56] <wgrant> kklimonda: >= Jaunty have the ppa stanza defined already.
[02:57] <wgrant> kklimonda: Where is taht dputrc?
[02:57] <wgrant> I suspect you have it in the wrong place, so you're in fact getting the system's "ppa".
[02:57] <wgrant> But you don't need to define your own any more; just do something like 'dput ppa:wgrant/ppa blah_source.changes'
[02:58] <kklimonda> wgrant: ok, thanks - i'll try that
[03:01] <kklimonda> wgrant: thanks, it worked
[03:02] <wgrant> kklimonda: Excellent.
[03:29] <zenwryly> So I've set up my PPA, built my package locally with dbuild and then did dput.  It all looks like it ran successfully, signatures and all, but I don't see anything on my PPA page.  At the end I see "Successfully uploaded packages.\n Not running dinstall.", is that last bit a problem?
[03:30] <wgrant> zenwryly: That's no problem. You should receive an email within 5 minutes, and the upload will appear on the PPA page if the upload was successful.
[03:30] <wgrant> zenwryly: You won't receive an email if it wasn't signed with a key that Launchpad knows about.
[03:30] <zenwryly> wgrant: ah!
[03:30] <wgrant> But check for the email now.
[03:30] <zenwryly> wgrant: I only added my ssh keys
[03:30] <zenwryly> wgrant: thanks!
[03:30] <wgrant> Ah.
[03:32] <zenwryly> wgrant: so if I do that after the fact, will my uploads proceed or should I upload again?
[03:36] <wgrant> zenwryly: You'll need to upload again.
[03:36] <zenwryly> wgrant: thanks again
[03:37] <wgrant> zenwryly: np
[03:43] <zenwryly> wgrant: well now I've got a rejection message so we'll all that progress :)
[03:43] <zenwryly> wgrant: thanks again!
[03:44] <SamB> it would be nice if launchpad would give you some feedback if you upload something with a bad signature ...
[03:44] <SamB> could, even!
[03:46] <zenwryly> What are the valid "section"s?
[03:54] <wgrant> zenwryly: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-subsections
[03:55] <wgrant> SamB: I believe there are plans to provide immediate in-band feedback after the upload for that sort of thing.
[03:55] <zenwryly> wgrant: thanks
[04:15] <zenwryly> wgrant: accepted!  Thanks fro getting me over the hump
[04:27] <mwhudson> wgrant: rewrite poppy pls
[04:28] <wgrant> mwhudson: Would be nice...
[04:28] <wgrant> mwhudson: It's so tempting to steal the codehosting SFTP server.
[04:29] <mwhudson> wgrant: that'd be awesome
[04:29] <mwhudson> i have this vague feeling that sftp support in dput is a little new though?
[04:29] <mwhudson> or am i making that up?
[04:30] <lifeless> its new
[04:30] <lifeless> I think NCommander added it.
[04:30] <NCommander> lifeless, not me unfortunately
[04:30]  * NCommander just got a working machine again :-/
[04:31] <wgrant> It's not that new.
[04:31] <wgrant> And anything is better than the current setup, I think.
[04:31] <SamB> what, does the current setup involve running linux on a dead badger?
[04:32] <mwhudson> hey, poppy hasn't fallen over for a week or so, i think
[04:32] <wgrant> SamB: I like that article.
[04:32] <SamB> wgrant: yeah, but it doesn't sound like a good idea for production servers ;-)
[04:32]  * NCommander notes rewriting popper in C by canonizing an existing FTP server wouldn't be too difficult ...
[04:33] <mwhudson> NCommander: i don't think you mean canonizing
[04:33] <wgrant> Neither do I.
[04:33]  * NCommander coughs
[04:33] <NCommander> Sorry, I'm currently sleep deprived
[04:33] <wgrant> I also don't think FTP is the solution.
[04:33] <NCommander> yay Ireland
[04:33] <mwhudson> (and i'm damn sure no ftp server deserves sainthood)
[04:33] <NCommander> wgrant, say VCS uploads and I stab you at the next UDS :-P
[04:33] <lifeless> its rather the problem, I'd have thought
[04:33] <lifeless> NCommander: bzr uploads; thanks.
[04:33] <SamB> lifeless: me too!
[04:34] <wgrant> bzr uploads would be good, but that's a while off.
[04:34] <lifeless> wgrant: you have the power
[04:34]  * NCommander wonders why people really want vcs uploads
[04:34] <wgrant> NCommander: Because my code lives in a VCS.
[04:34] <wgrant> NCommander: Why should I have to use something else to build packages?
[04:34] <wgrant> I think SFTP with an intelligent server would be a good idea.
[04:34] <SamB> as do, say, jelmer's packages upstream ...
[04:35] <NCommander> wgrant, I see the appeal of it, but I don't generally like the idea of the only choice
[04:35] <wgrant> 'cause poppy at the moment is pretty braindead.
[04:35] <NCommander> wgrant, what about intergrating functionality into liblaunchpad <g>
[04:35] <NCommander> er\
[04:35] <NCommander> lp-lib
[04:35]  * SamB wonders if the buildds build jelmer's pacakages from the bzr?
[04:35] <wgrant> SamB: The buildds know nothing about VCSes.
[04:36] <SamB> yeah. so it's just bzr-builddeb then?
[04:36] <wgrant> SamB: I presume so.
[05:52] <beuno> lifeless, I will play with them and try and get consensus
[05:53] <lifeless> beuno: Perhaps you could have a thread on launchpad-dev or something
[05:53] <lifeless> beuno: who knows, we subject matter nerds might have some good ideas
[05:55] <beuno> lifeless, yeah, I will think about this in the open
[05:56] <beuno> the main problem is the restrictions I have on the data I can get
[05:56] <beuno> some things are incredibly interesting, but too expensive
[05:56] <beuno> so this is also me working with what I can get  :)
[05:56] <lifeless> beuno: we're talkin about different things I fear
[05:56] <lifeless> I want a pretty web page ;)
[05:57] <beuno> right, so maybe we should get that problem out of the way first
[05:57] <beuno> and then talk about the data
[05:57] <lifeless> \o/
[05:57] <beuno> :)
[05:58] <beuno> now, bed
[05:58] <lifeless> wow the milestone/series divide is really confusing these days
[05:58] <wgrant> lifeless: What has changed?
[05:59] <lifeless> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/2.0/+bugs and https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+milestone/2.0
[06:00] <lifeless> the former is linked from https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr
[06:00] <wgrant> Ah, the bugs problem.
[06:00] <lifeless> the latter is not linked anywhere I can find, but is useful.
[06:00] <wgrant> You really should be able to use a series as a milestone.
[06:00] <wgrant> In bug targetting contexts.
[06:00] <lifeless> adding to the confusion
[06:01] <lifeless> the side pane on the bzr bugs homepage says 'series targeted bugs'
[06:01] <wgrant> Nobody is sure how targetting/milestoning is meant to be used, AFAICT>
[06:01] <lifeless> but targetting goes to milestones
[06:01] <wgrant> lifeless: 'Series targeted' is completely separate from 'milestoned'
[06:01] <lifeless> wgrant: this doesn't reduce the impact of confusion
[06:01] <wgrant> No.
[06:02] <wgrant> It's silly.
[06:02] <wgrant> It's on the Bugs 3.0 priority list, but I guess nobody got to it.
[06:08] <beuno> wgrant, yes, I've convinced people that was the right thing to do (targetting to series without a bugtask), but we didn't have time to work on it for 3.0
[06:08] <beuno> (was hard to get everyoneon board that ship)
[06:08] <beuno> so I agree  :)
[06:09] <beuno> anyway
[06:09] <beuno> really bed now!
[06:09] <beuno> night!
[06:09] <wgrant> beuno: Night!
[06:09] <wgrant> Good to know that people were convinced.
[06:09] <lifeless> so I think bugtasks are useful for backports
[06:09] <lifeless> or other nontrunk things
[06:10] <wgrant> Sanitize targeting to series/milestones
[06:10] <wgrant> Basically only use series tasks for backports
[06:10] <wgrant> That's the 3.0 item.
[06:13] <beuno> lifeless, yes, the intention is to make creating extra bugtasks option, with the backporting use case in mind (the link will likely be called that)
[06:15] <lifeless> nice
[11:26] <pgquiles> is it possible to use launchpad to create my own customized Ubuntu flavor, a-la SuSe Studio?
[12:30] <cprov> pgquiles: I'm not familiar with SuSe Studio, but in principle you can't use LP for creating an official ubuntu flavor.
[12:31] <cprov> pgquiles: Can you please file a bug on soyuz pointing (more or less) how you would like it to work in LP while I do some extra digging about the suse app ?
[12:32] <pgquiles> cprov: no need for it to be official, just possible to build my own Ubuntu-based distro. SuSe Studio is like RPath: you build your own distro by choosing packages and customizing, and you support it (or you don't)
[12:32] <cprov> pgquiles: yes, I see the similarities with rpath
[12:34] <cprov> pgquiles: using a PPA you can do a lot of customization, but it only works for run-time users. We can't create images based on that, yet.
[12:35] <wgrant> it would be very nice to do that, though!
[12:35] <cprov> pgquiles: despite of the result form, I see that the image management it also nicer in the S-Studio
[12:36] <pgquiles> cprov: another feature I'd like to see in PPAs is being able to add more sources to the apt sources.list. Or at least having ubuntu-backports, etc available.
[12:38] <cprov> pgquiles: you can point it as build-deps, we just have to allow you to nominate them as run-time-deps as well. Would that do the trick ?
[12:39] <pgquiles> cprov: implementing SuSe Studio in Launchpad shouldn't really be difficult. It's just a web app asking a few questions, then it runs what https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization says and finally uses qemu to boot the image and a VNC applet/flash to show you the VM
[12:40] <cprov> pgquiles: yes, it's not rocket-science
[12:41] <pgquiles> cprov: I think I didn't explain it very well :-) If KDE 4.3 is available from the kubuntu-ppa, in my PPA I cannot depend on KDE >= 4.3 because it's not available. For now I work-around the issue by uploading and building the package in my PPA but it's far from ideal.
[12:42] <cprov> pgquiles: über-cooler would be an lp-api script the sucks the needed info and use an EC2 instance to do the job ;)
[12:42] <wgrant> pgquiles: You can add dependencies on other PPAs.
[12:42] <wgrant> pgquiles: And Ubuntu backports.
[12:42] <wgrant> pgquiles: See the 'Edit dependencies' link near the top of the PPA page.
[12:43] <bigjools> we need to make that link have better descriptive text near it
[12:43] <bigjools> didn't you file a bug about that? :)
[12:43] <wgrant> I hear there's this great 3.0 archive UI redesign going on.
[12:43] <wgrant> (but yes, there is a bug about that being unobvious)
[12:43] <pgquiles> wgrant: oh, very nice. I didn't know about that.
[13:24] <stas> hi, is there any way to submit packages for building only specific architectures?
[13:30] <noodles775> Hi stas, is this what you're after? http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Architecture
[13:32] <stas> noodles775: thank you
[17:16] <Ddorda> hello
[17:16] <Ddorda> i made a team, and i just found out i did i typo.. how can i fix it?
[17:36] <gary_poster> Ddorda: what sort of typo?  The name of the team?
[17:37] <gary_poster> Ddorda: (generally, look for a small icon that looks like a pencil in a yellow circle.  click it to edit)
[17:38] <Ddorda> gary_poster: it's on the address too
[17:38] <Ddorda> so i can't change it
[17:39] <gary_poster> Ddorda: can you give me a link to what you are talking about, to make sure I understand?
[17:41] <Ddorda> https://launchpad.net/~ubutnu-je-team
[17:41] <gary_poster> Ddorda: ah, got it.  Let me see if I can help you.  One sec.
[17:43] <Ddorda> gary_poster: thanks a lot
[17:47] <gary_poster> Ddorda: so, normally you would do this on https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubutnu-je-team/+edit
[17:48] <gary_poster> Ddorda: but it looks like you had a mailing list
[17:48] <gary_poster> even though you don't have one now
[17:48] <gary_poster> so that is blocking you
[17:48] <Ddorda> :S
[17:48] <gary_poster> would you like us to purge the mailing list?
[17:48] <gary_poster> and then you can retry?
[17:48] <Ddorda> yes please
[17:51] <gary_poster> ok.  the mailing list is purged and you should be able to rename.  However, "ubuntu" may be a reserved word.  If you're not someone with permissions for that you may need to ask permission, or choose a project name without "ubuntu"
[17:51] <gary_poster> (team name, I should say)
[17:52] <gary_poster> Ddorda: ^^^
[17:53] <Ddorda> gary_poster: from who can i ask permissions?
[17:53] <gary_poster> Ddorda: mm.  good question.  So I am right that the system does not allow you to do this?
[17:54] <Ddorda> i'm not sure tbh, never thought about it :O
[17:54] <gary_poster> Ddorda: give it a try. :-)
[17:55] <Ddorda> gary_poster: thanks for everything
[17:55] <gary_poster> Ddorda: np!  Glad it worked out
[17:56] <Ddorda> :D
[18:06] <hemanth> what wrong with launchpad ? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=3592831&l=1ed6494ac0&id=630916001
[18:10] <mgedmin> weird thing: in launchpad and only in launchpad my Firefox keeps silently enabling caret browsing code
[18:10] <mgedmin> does anybody else experience this?
[18:10] <hemanth> You will not be redirected to the beta site for 2 hours ,says LP
[18:10] <intellectronica> mgedmin: yes, it's a known problem
[18:11] <intellectronica> it's a firefox bug which is triggered by some of the ui in launchpad. let me try and find the bug
[18:11] <mgedmin> interesting (and irritating ;)
[18:11] <intellectronica> indeed
[18:12] <intellectronica> mgedmin: see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/107247
[18:12] <mgedmin> thanks!
[18:12] <intellectronica> it's fix commited, so if you use edge, you won't experience the problem
[18:22] <gary_poster> hemanth: that sounds resolved to me.  Do you still have an issue?
[18:23] <hemanth> gary_poster, rechecking
[18:25] <hemanth> gary_poster, working fine :O)
[18:26] <hemanth> gary_poster, o no same again in https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug
[18:26] <gary_poster> hemanth: great :-) .  If you encounter that again in another two hours, try clicking that "disable redirection" button again.  We have reports of the pages that timeout on edge (the beta site) so that we can address
[18:26] <gary_poster> hemanth: oh...mm, working fine for me...
[18:27] <gary_poster> but this is a timeout issue.
[18:27] <gary_poster> hemanth: can you make another screen shot so I can make sure it is the same kind of issue?
[18:27] <hemanth> the pages open , i type in summary and after i continue
[18:28] <hemanth> ok
[18:29] <gary_poster> hemanth: I didn't get the error, but it was slow for me too.  I'll investigate this with someone on the bugs team and get back to you.  Meanwhile, as a workaround, I suggest navigating to the project/package you want and then reporting from there
[18:30] <hemanth> ubuntu-bug is in which package ?
[18:31] <gary_poster> hemanth: you want to report a bug against ubuntu, generally?
[18:31] <hemanth> nopes report a bug on ubuntu-bug
[18:32] <hemanth> gary_poster, shld i link u to the new screenshot ?
[18:34] <gary_poster> hemanth: sure thanks
[18:35] <gary_poster> hemanth: if you have made it already
[18:35] <hemanth> gary_poster, one sec uploading
[18:36] <hemanth> gary_poster, http://tinypic.com/r/za0yx/3
[18:36] <gary_poster> hemanth: thank you.  FWIW, I don't know what "ubuntu-bug" is and couldn't find anything about it on Google or Launchpad.  Maybe this is close enough to what you want?  https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug
[18:37] <gary_poster> oh, hemanth
[18:37] <gary_poster> try clicking that "Disable redirection" button
[18:37] <hemanth> ubuntu-bug is a command-line interface for filing bugs in Ubuntu.
[18:37] <gary_poster> ok, looking
[18:46] <gary_poster> hemanth: (1) the timeout error you encountered is a known problem.  It is difficult to address, but it is planned.  You might have a better experience temporarily if you click the "disable redirection" button.
[18:47] <gary_poster> hemanth: (2) ubuntu-bug is part of the apport package.  Therefore, you can report a bug against it here: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport
[18:49] <gary_poster> hemanth: (3) maybe you ought to add another bug to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport to report that you had a hard time figuring out where to enter a bug for ubuntu-bug! :-)  Maybe that could be documented in the application's --help, or on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[18:49] <gary_poster> (done)
[18:49] <hemanth> trying for one last time :O) , thanks for the responses gary_poster
[18:49] <gary_poster> :-)
[18:55] <hemanth> gary_poster, done thank you again , this was what i was trying to report from a long time ,  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/408507
[18:56] <gary_poster> hemanth: great, I'm sorry it took so long, but glad you were able to get the report in!
[18:57] <hemanth> gary_poster, o please you did a great job , u need not be sorry for that :O)
[18:57]  * hemanth shakes hands with gray_poster
[18:58] <gary_poster> hemanth: :-) you are welcome
[18:58] <hemanth> :0)
[19:37] <BusMaster> I am thinking of starting an open source project. If I use launchpad, will I be able to have web-pages where I can describe  the software, upload documentation and so on? These points are not specifically mentioned on the site, so I thought I'll ask before I burn myself.
[19:37] <beuno> BusMaster, we don't provide a wiki yet. It is on our list as a high-priority item
[19:38] <BusMaster> beuno, oh..but can I at least have normal webpages? or preferably, a publicly browseable folder where I can put up PDF docs ?
[19:39] <beuno> BusMaster, no webpages for now either. You can upload files to Launchpad as part of releases, and you can also have a bzr branch which people can download those PDFs via de web
[19:39] <BusMaster> oh
[19:41] <BusMaster> beuno, I'm new to this. could you advice me if I should use launchpad then? Right now, I am the sole developer and I don't know if my project will be a runaway success or die into obscurity over time.
[19:41] <LarstiQ> BusMaster: you can have a description, see http://launchpad.net/bzr-svn for an example
[19:42] <BusMaster> beuno, and it seems a bit odd to start a new project and not have pages where people can see what it is about, read docs and so on
[19:43] <beuno> BusMaster, I agree, which is why we're working towards it. On the other hand, most people don't bother beyond a simple description
[19:43] <beuno> which is why it hasn't been on the top of the list
[19:44] <BusMaster> hmm,,I see most projects have links to web-pages hosted elsewhere
[19:44] <LarstiQ> that too
[19:47] <BusMaster> ok. thanks for the inputs
[21:37] <kfogel> how odd, ~bob on Launchpad is named "Matthew".  https://edge.launchpad.net/~bob
[21:41] <gary_poster> heh
[22:46] <jimi_hendrix> where could a stick a .deb for someone to download in the project page
[22:47] <SamB> jimi_hendrix: the idea is to use a PPA
[22:47] <jimi_hendrix> ?
[22:48] <SamB> look in the help
[22:48] <SamB> look for "ppa"
[23:06] <poolie> hi samb
[23:06] <poolie> hello bac?
[23:06] <poolie> want to talk about announcements, bac?
[23:24] <bac> hi poolie
[23:36] <SamB> hmm, how do you get launchpad to update the diff for a merge proposal?
[23:37] <mwhudson> SamB: you don't, there are bug reports about this
[23:37] <SamB> mwhudson: ah.
[23:37] <SamB> suspected as much ...
[23:38] <SamB> ... might be nice if the merge proposal referred to a specific revision that had to be explicitly changed?
[23:39] <SamB> mwhudson: does it do it after a half hour or something?
[23:39] <mwhudson> no
[23:39] <mwhudson> it won't change, ever
[23:39] <mwhudson> you can supersede the merge proposal with a new one
[23:39] <SamB> you mean, not until the bug is fixed?
[23:39] <mwhudson> right
[23:39] <SamB> ... and we're using this over bundle buggy for bzr *why*?
[23:43] <mwhudson> dogfooding