[06:40] <Ford_Prefect> Anyone tried booting a rootstock generate rootfs with NFS?
[06:41] <Ford_Prefect> The dratted NM seems to be pulling down the network for a restart, which breaks because it's running from NFS
[09:28] <lool> Ford_Prefect: Right there's a bug with NM breaking network on NFS (that's not related to rootstock I think)
[09:28] <lool> I've seen it filed on Debian it's probably reported in Ubuntu as well
[09:45] <Ford_Prefect> lool, ah, okay. I worked around it by putting an exit in /etc/default/NetworkManager
[09:55] <lool> Ford_Prefect: eh I guess that works
[09:56] <lool> I seem to recall that one issue was that there was some chicken and egg issue with /usr needed for NM to start and NM being needed to get /usr from NFS
[09:56] <lool> But then in your case what you really want is for NM to start without touching the network
[10:23] <Ford_Prefect> lool, it's a pretty hard problem to crack in a please-all way, I guess.
[10:57] <lool> Ford_Prefect: Yeah exactly
[10:58] <lool> Ford_Prefect: That said, your bug would probably be fixed if NM was careful not to wipe clean the network config when starting up to replace it with its own
[11:12] <Ford_Prefect> Guess it would be a little hard to make sure that no network access is required between when NM starts touching the config and when it finishes setup
[13:13] <lbt> anyone familar with dpkg-cross. I'm hitting issues with -dcv1 vs -cross  how do I make -dcv1 packages?
[14:48] <lool> lbt: We're building our own or using the codesourcery ones
[14:49] <lbt> so I'm approaching this by setting debian/target=armel and then debian/rules control to make a gcc-cross.
[14:50] <lbt> is that you mean by "building our own"?
[14:51] <lool> lbt: Install binutils-source or grab the source yourself, same for gcc and build these
[14:52] <lbt> OK. I want to integrate this into the OBS build system - building from source is fairly simple. I'd like to track the gcc as shipped by ubuntu so we have version match
[14:52] <lbt> I'll check out emdebian though - thanks  for that :)
[15:03] <lool> lbt: Note that I'm not making a recommendation of emdebian, but the tools you mention are emdebian ones so they are the people who can help you use them
[15:03] <lool> (IOW I don't use them myself)
[15:04] <lbt> that's fair... NB my objective is to produce a cross compiler to install (elegantly) into a qemu chroot
[15:04] <lbt> I would like to base it on gcc.dsc
[15:05] <lbt> so as gcc evolves with Jaunty/Karmic
[15:05] <lbt> I can update my chroot build env to match
[15:06] <lbt> currently dpkg-cross seems a viable way to do it using debuild...
[15:32] <rjune_> lbt: I use crosstool-ng to build for our platform. Though we're building a complete distro, not just building for debian or ubuntu
[15:34] <lbt> rjune_: My objective is a drop-in replacement for gcc_XXX_armel in a qemu-chroot
[15:34] <lbt> s/drop-in/kinda drop-in/
[15:36] <rjune_> then crosstool probably isn't for you, did emdebian prove helpful?
[15:43] <lbt> I've not brought it up yet.... I actually found a maybe solution
[15:44] <lbt> waiting for my turn in the build sched
[15:44] <lbt> ooh... finished but not finalised....
[15:53] <lool> Hmm I don't remember finding crosstools-ng last time I was looking for such stuff
[15:53] <lool> Seems nice