[03:58] <markot06> Hi, none of the OpenOffice apps start from either Applications menu or terminal (although processes seem to be created). Can anyone help?
[07:45] <didrocks> good morning
[08:11] <huats> morning everyone
[08:12] <ruslanr> huats: good morning
[08:15] <huats> morning ruslanr
[08:28] <didrocks> morning huats
[08:29] <huats> monring mr didrocks
[08:33] <pitti> bonjour, good morning, guten Morgen, доброий утро, etc.
[08:35] <didrocks> hey pitti
[09:39] <hggdh> bom dia
[09:50] <hggdh> desktop folks: bug 408095 seems a clear case of papercut; I have attached a debdiff
[09:53] <asac> seb128: ping
[09:53] <asac> seb128: you dont listen ;)
[09:54] <asac> seb128: we have gnome-shell in the archive, but not mutter?
[09:54] <asac> how des that work?
[09:54] <seb128> asac, listen where, in the room?
[09:55] <seb128> asac, it's the combination of a wrong dput target and an archive admin NEWing it before a reliased
[09:55] <seb128> realized
[09:56] <seb128> asac, didrocks is supposed to get mutter in universe, he said he would work on it this weekend
[09:56] <didrocks> seb128: it's done, you can have a revu at http://www.didrocks.fr/temp/package/mutter_2.27.1-0ubuntu1.dsc
[09:57] <seb128> asac, ^
[09:57] <didrocks> seb128: I opened an ITP BUT!
[09:57] <didrocks> I saw that there is one version in pkg-gnome
[09:57] <seb128> didrocks, did I say that I dislike REVU ;-)
[09:57] <didrocks> without any ITP :/
[09:57] <seb128> you should just upload
[09:57] <seb128> didrocks, who worked on it?
[09:57] <didrocks> kov
[09:58] <seb128> ok, will talk to him
[09:58] <didrocks> seb128: I didn't use revu, it's just on my server if you want to keep an eye on it
[09:58] <seb128> when did he start on it?
[09:58] <didrocks> seb128: something like 5-7 days for the first commit
[09:58] <seb128> didrocks, oh, I misread, I did review the ppa version already I think
[09:58] <didrocks> seb128: yes, I made some slights modification, but nothing important
[09:59] <didrocks> so. I don't know if I upload as Debian will have one soon...
[09:59] <didrocks> (it's not in debian NEW)
[10:00] <seb128> didrocks, I will talk to kov
[10:00] <didrocks> seb128: ok, keep me in touch :)
[10:01] <asac> seb128: yes in the room ... i was trying to get your attention ;)
[10:01] <asac> anyway. thanks. so gnome-shell went in by accident for now
[10:01] <seb128> sorry was chatting with somebody and didn't notice that
[10:01] <seb128> asac, right
[10:01] <seb128> asac, I didn't bother to get it out because we are just mutter away from getting in now anyway
[10:01] <asac> seb128: no prob ... just funny to chat with you stting like 3 meters away ;)
[10:02]  * didrocks hopes you don't drink Guiness during working in the sprint :/
[10:02] <seb128> didrocks, don't worry I don't like dark beer
[10:02] <seb128> ie no guiness
[10:02] <didrocks> guiness is well better in Ireland than in France
[10:02] <seb128> still
[10:02] <didrocks> I tested it during 6 monthes being in Ireland :)
[10:03] <seb128> didrocks, btw you should just upload mutter to universe
[10:03] <seb128> didrocks, you have been in dublin?
[10:03] <didrocks> seb128: yes, I have been living there 6 monthes during my final internship
[10:03] <seb128> oh nice
[10:03] <seb128> is there any city part you recommend to hang out in the evening ?
[10:04] <didrocks> oh yes, despite the weather, Ireland is a really great country with friendly people :)
[10:04] <seb128> they talk a weird language
[10:04] <didrocks> "how's you doing", "how mouch" :)
[10:05] <seb128> ;-)
[10:05] <didrocks> seb128: temple bar of course, at least once to see the lights, etc.
[10:05] <didrocks> seb128: let me take a map :)
[10:08] <didrocks> seb128: saint stephen's Green really worth a walk (and st stephen's green shopping centre too). Dawson street is awesome when the lights turn on.
[10:09] <didrocks> seb128: of course, there is the main street with the "spire" and the post office (lovely)
[10:09] <seb128> the post office is that next a building looking like a church?
[10:09] <didrocks> exactly
[10:10] <seb128> ok, we have been there yesterday
[10:10] <seb128> dawson street is nice indeed
[10:10] <seb128> pitti wanted to see grafton street
[10:10] <seb128> we had dinner at a pub near where the burger were very challenging
[10:10] <seb128> ;-)
[10:11] <didrocks> it's not as nice as dawson street, but worth an eye too :)
[10:11] <seb128> shame it was raining when we went out, no street music
[10:11] <didrocks> oh yes, burgers seems to be some kind of national food :)
[10:11] <didrocks> "it was raining" -> what a surprise :-)
[10:12] <seb128> lol
[10:12] <didrocks> I hope you will have the time to heard some traditional music
[10:12] <seb128> maybe if the rain stops
[10:12] <seb128> we will visit the guiness storehouse this week
[10:12] <didrocks> it should... before another "rain train" :-)
[10:12] <seb128> so at least I will taste one guiness ;-)
[10:12] <didrocks> oh, it's nice and funny
[10:13] <didrocks> yes, you have one with your ticket
[10:13] <didrocks> brewed less than 3 hours ago :)
[10:13] <didrocks> just be careful about when you get there. It's sometimes crowded
[10:13] <seb128> well we have a group visit booked apparently
[10:14] <didrocks> ok! /me wishes to be in Dublin too :)
[10:15] <didrocks> I really liked the people handling ad boards down the street
[10:15] <seb128> seems you really enjoyed your time there ;-)
[10:16] <didrocks> seb128: appart from the weather, yes and the whole country (especially the western part) is really lovely :-)
[10:16] <didrocks> seb128: where are you right now, in Dublin center?
[10:16] <seb128> 15 minutes walking from dawson street
[10:17] <seb128> cross the park south of there and the small river
[10:17] <didrocks> seb128: north or south?
[10:18] <didrocks> (from dawson street)
[10:18] <seb128> it's written the line before your question
[10:18] <seb128> south ;-)
[10:18] <didrocks> ok, I was reading south of where there is a small river :)
[10:19] <seb128> well you go south from dawson street
[10:19] <seb128> cross the park and the small river
[10:19] <seb128> and the hotel is just there
[10:20] <didrocks> I know a little less this south part than the north one. But I probably had a walk once there (Dublin isn't so big in reality) :)
[10:24] <didrocks> also, if you have more time, you should go to Dublin Castle and Christ Church Cathedral. I think that's it for "must visit" guide ;)
[10:24] <didrocks> in addition to visit some pubs, of course
[10:24] <bratsche> I saw those yesterday.
[10:24] <bratsche> Especially the cathedral is quite nice.
[10:28] <didrocks> yes :-)
[10:33] <mdz> does anyone happen to know the bug number for that issue with the spurious policykit authentication dialog?
[10:42] <seb128> mdz, bug #396448
[10:48] <mdz> seb128, thank you
[10:55] <andreasn> mpt, ping
[11:06] <Ng> is there a prevailing policy/process for switching svn->git for gnome projects that have launchpad projects setup (but not actively used by the upstream folk)? vte is still set to come from svn and afaict that means it's not seen any changes since april
[11:16] <robert_ancell> bryce: did you attach the stacktrace to that X report?
[11:18] <bryce> robert_ancell, no I didn't, mind adding it?
[11:18] <robert_ancell> bryce: what is the best way?  Attach the core dump?
[11:19] <robert_ancell> bryce: or ~bryce/gdb.txt
[11:21] <bryce>  ~bryce/gdb.txt
[12:42] <didrocks> seb128, rickspencer31: ahah \o/ fixed yesterday in trunk (before seing the crash report) :)
[12:42] <rickspencer31> didrocks: nice
[12:43] <didrocks> I need to investigate about adding a apport hook to add some information.
[12:44] <seb128> didrocks, apport hooks are easy let me know if you need some help to set up one
[12:46] <didrocks> seb128: ok, I'm investigating that this evening. Is there some documentation somewhere?
[12:48] <seb128> didrocks, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Apport/DeveloperHowTo
[12:48] <didrocks> seb128: thanks
[12:48] <seb128> you're welcome
[12:54] <asac> seb128: hmm
[12:54] <asac> seb128: i can add a confli8ct. but mozilla-dev must be really really old
[12:55] <asac> seb128: you are reading bugmail for nspr for me now ;) thanks!
[12:55] <seb128> asac, ok, I don't know about it I just pointed it in case it was something many users will hit
[12:55] <seb128> asac, no, I was looking to the most recently reported list to see if people were complain about the icons in menus being dropped
[12:56] <seb128> asac, you might want to look at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=504275 btw
[14:46] <crevette> simplecommeubuntu ?
[14:46] <crevette>  :)
[14:46] <didrocks> crevette: yes ! ;)
[14:46] <crevette> the framasoft book?
[14:46] <didrocks> yes (mine book, btw ;))
[14:46] <crevette> I just found the link in google
[14:46] <didrocks> really? you have never heard about the framabook collection?
[14:47] <crevette> http://www.framabook.org/ubuntu.html
[14:48] <didrocks> it's been there from 6.10 edition (in fact, from 6.06 but never been published and it was called Simple Comme Linux at the epoch)
[15:37] <bryce> pitti, mind peeking at bug #407816 when you get a chance?
[15:38] <pitti>  bryce: I guess nothign depended on it any more
[15:39] <pitti> bryce: that explains why it actually worked in kvm in hardy, but not later
[15:39] <pitti> bryce: kirkland told me a nice trick how to get back the effect
[15:39] <bryce> pitti, how can we get it pinned down into main?  vmware depends on it
[15:39] <pitti> but if we fix it properly, so much the better
[15:39] <pitti> bryce: something has to hold it in main, i. e. either by seed or dependency
[15:40] <pitti> bryce: it's not on http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt
[15:40] <bryce> pitti, ok how do I do that?
[15:40] <pitti> i. e. it's currently neither depended on nor seeded
[15:40] <pitti> bryce: to me it sounds like it should just be added to -input-all ?
[15:40] <pitti> if that's not appropriate, we could add it to ubuntu-desktop, but that would be a bit strange
[15:41] <bryce> hmm, ok
[15:41] <bryce> pitti, ok I'll add it to -input-all
[15:43] <pitti> bryce: bug updated, -vmmouse promoted
[15:49] <andreasn> mpt, oh, crap, I don't read :/ I thought #408361 was about all applications
[15:50] <tgpraveen> #408361
[15:50] <tgpraveen> #408361
[15:50]  * tgpraveen thinks this is not my day
[15:54] <mpt> andreasn, you didn't misread, it was about all applications
[15:54] <mpt> I was talking more to mac_v than to you :-)
[15:54] <mpt> Thanks for doing that work mac_v
[15:54] <mac_v> mpt: np... :)
[15:55] <seb128> andreasn, mpt: those changes seem not really well organized
[15:55] <mac_v> andreasn: actually i filed it for all apps, but mpt makes a good point about spam
[15:55] <mac_v> hence i split it
[15:56] <mac_v> tgpraveen: Bug #408361
[15:56] <seb128> andreasn, mpt: it has been explained nowhere and to nobody
[15:57] <tgpraveen> thx
[15:57] <mac_v> seb128: http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=103 , but it has not been explaind to anybody
[15:58] <mpt> seb128, it was posted on desktop-devel@. It's the sort of change where nobody really cares about fixing problems with the non-default setting until it's changed. It reminds me of the introduction of action-less notifications, actually. :-)
[15:58] <mclasen> seb128: do you expect the explanation in regular mail, or via UPS ?
[15:58] <seb128> mac_v, blogs are a nice communication tool but not the best way to reach everybody in a project
[15:58] <mac_v> yeah , agreed...
[15:59] <seb128> mclasen, regular email would be nice, I think that's what is used for discussions in GNOME so far and to announce changes, etc
[15:59] <andreasn> seb128, agreed, a initial e-mail after the change had been made to ddl should have been done
[15:59] <mac_v> i noticed that only from the upstream bug report
[15:59] <mac_v> s/that/that blog
[15:59] <seb128> mpt, well nobody wrote about the always use icon property in the d-d-l email or that applications need to be changed
[16:00] <seb128> mpt, ie I didn't know about that until reading your launchpad comment
[16:00] <seb128> mpt, that's in this blog post apparently too though but I'm one of those people who don't read planet regularly ;-)
[16:01] <mac_v> mpt: i dont think no-one will care, people will notice when icons are missing , it looks like a nasty bug... you should have been in #ubuntu+1 the day this happened
[16:01] <mac_v> i just reported late since i had other things to fix ;p
[16:02] <andreasn> seb128, who is in charge of writing the Ubuntu Alpha/Beta release notes?
[16:02] <andreasn> seb128, we need to make sure to mention this change there
[16:03] <seb128> andreasn, I think there is a launchpad team you can subscribe to bugs, pitti or slangasek know
[16:03] <andreasn> vuntz, and who writes them for OpenSuse?
[16:03] <andreasn> seb128, cool, thanks
[16:03] <andreasn> seb128, I'll make sure it also goes into the GNOME 2.28 release notes
[16:03] <pitti> andreasn: subscribe ubuntu-release to the bug and then add a comment
[16:03] <asac> awe: DEB_DH_MAKESHLIBS_ARGS = -- -c4
[16:05] <vuntz> andreasn: zonker, I think
[16:05] <andreasn> vuntz, can you get in touch with him and make sure it gets mentioned?
[16:06] <mpt> seb128, yes, it could have been better explained
[16:08] <seb128> mclasen, btw shouldn't set_use_underline be on by default?
[16:08] <mclasen> the default value for use-underline has always been FALSE
[16:08] <seb128> mclasen, the change is somewhat a compatibility breakage in the sense where it change behaviour and make lot of applications behave incorrectly, doing it the reverse way would not change the behaviour
[16:09] <mclasen> what change ?
[16:09] <seb128> mclasen, well since gtk was buggy and not respecting that it sort of was TRUE not by design but by use
[16:09] <bryce> pitti, ok -input-all updated
[16:09] <pitti> \o/
[16:09] <bryce> robert_ancell, xserver patch pushed; thanks again
[16:09] <pitti> bryce: that means the next naive kvm -cdrom karmic.iso should "just work" again?
[16:09] <seb128> mclasen, http://git.gnome.org/cgit/gtk+/commit/?h=gtk-2-16&id=1b4d4628b94f9aff0af63aebfbc2e3ed73eed56b
[16:10] <bryce> pitti, hope so
[16:10] <robert_ancell> bryce: Thanks, no more X crashes for me!
[16:10] <bryce> robert_ancell, onward compiz!  :-)
[16:10]  * robert_ancell dies a little inside ;)
[16:11] <didrocks> seb128: when/if you have some time, did you received my mail about reviewing the fdo mail?
[16:11] <seb128> didrocks, yes sorry, sort of busy travelling, sprint, etc
[16:11] <didrocks> seb128: I understand, no worries :)
[16:12] <mac_v> hehe.. the funny thing about the libgnome change was , even seb128 ,who approved the change, didnt know ;p
[16:12] <seb128> mac_v, I didn't approve the change
[16:13] <seb128> but I didn't realize that some items were still supposed to have icons
[16:13] <seb128> almost no application seems to do that right
[16:13] <mac_v> i meant the this https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-July/005347.html
[16:14] <mclasen> seb128: it is fine in almost all apps; the ones where we need some finetuning are browsers
[16:14] <seb128> mac_v, right I did the libgnome update, I though that the goal was to have no icon though, not that some items would need to set a property
[16:14] <mac_v> :)
[16:14] <seb128> mclasen, that's not what mpt suggested
[16:14] <seb128> "Examples of menu items that count as objects, and should therefore have icons: applications, documents (including any recent documents in a "File" menu), disks, partitions, folders, bookmarks, history items, IM accounts, IM statuses, user accounts."
[16:14] <mclasen> seb128: mpt is not god...
[16:15] <mac_v> 0.o i thought he was ;p
[16:15] <seb128> mclasen, well if even the design people who did dicuss the issue don't know what we are supposed to do ...
[16:15] <seb128> mclasen, and no need to be aggressive there
[16:16] <seb128> so it seems different people disagree now on what entries should have icons or not
[16:16] <mclasen> seb128: I'm not
[16:16] <vuntz> andreasn: hrm, what should get mentioned?
[16:16] <seb128> that will make easy for each application maintainer to know what change to apply
[16:17] <mac_v> vuntz: Bug #407621
[16:17] <seb128> andreasn, should standard application have any icon for documents, disks, bookmarks etc as suggested by mpt or not as suggested by mclasen now?
[16:18] <mclasen> the one place where documents usually show up in app menus is recent docs
[16:18] <mclasen> and we already handle that in gtk
[16:19] <andreasn> seb128, I would go with what mpt recommended here, ie. yes, show them for apps, documents, disks etc.
[16:20] <seb128> andreasn, thanks
[16:20] <andreasn> this is also what Vista and OS X does (if that matters in any way)
[16:21] <seb128> mclasen, the gtk changes for underline trigger lot of bugs similar to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590349
[16:21] <andreasn> I can't recall what Maemo and Moblin does right now, let me see if I can find the n800
[16:22] <seb128> mclasen, which is somewhat a compatibility change in the way that by doing the stable update you "break" applications which were working apparently correctly
[16:23] <andreasn> according to hbons, all menu icons are disabled on moblin
[16:23] <mac_v> andreasn: wow! when something is done in windows and not in gnome , devs say we dont want to copy .... but for such issues do we copy? double standards eh ;p
[16:24] <mpt> mac_v, I didn't mean that users wouldn't care about the change, I meant that until now developers hadn't cared about fixing the cases where icons should have been always shown
[16:24] <seb128> mpt, I think most hackers don't know what those cases are
[16:24] <mac_v> mpt: oh... yeah... until the change is forced they wont patch it... ;)
[16:25] <seb128> mpt, ie your "object" explanation is somewhat unclear to me still :-)
[16:25] <andreasn> mac_v, just copying a design from another OS right over can sometimes be a bad thing, as the design can have been influenced by underlying software or hardware issues
[16:25] <andreasn> mac_v, so it's often best to do your own research etc.
[16:25] <mac_v> +1
[16:26] <andreasn> mac_v, but avoiding designs that other OS:es does, just because those do it as well would be, hm, odd
[16:26] <mac_v> andreasn: agreed... so when you are pushing this idea , pls dont keep saying other OS do the same... doesnt sound right..
[16:27] <mac_v> lets just base our decisions on our research
[16:30] <mpt> seb128, yeah, the HIG has been vague about it, probably mostly because the option was set to something else by default. It's a chicken and egg situation.
[16:33] <seb128> mpt, well what I'm saying is that it's still somewhat a fuzzy definition, ie is there anything in nautilus menus you consider objects?
[16:35] <mclasen> seb128: what stable updates are you talking about ? the bug you point to is for 2.27...
[16:36] <seb128> mclasen, we got control center bugs in GNOME saying that's an issue with 2.26.3 too
[16:37] <mclasen> well, there are a few places, but it is still application bugs...
[16:38] <seb128> well the annoying part is that updating gtk will trigger bug in a certain amount of applications
[16:39] <seb128> some from an user or distributor point of view those will be buggy until somebody goes through every installed to spot and fix all the buggy things
[16:41] <mclasen> seb128: of course, we don't know how many places are  buggy because they were coded following the gtk api docs...
[16:44] <seb128> mclasen, would changing the default behaviour be problematic? there is probably nobody relying on the default documented behaviour since that was no working
[16:45] <seb128> having it changed would also mean no runtime behaviour change on upgrade and would allow users to set it to false easily
[16:46] <mclasen> no, its not that easy
[16:46] <mclasen> it is not as if gtk was simply using use-underline=true before, just that the false did not have the desired effect in some cases
[16:47] <seb128> hum, ok
[16:49] <seb128> mclasen, we could argue whether fixing that in a stable serie makes sense or not but let's say it's a distributor issue to weight the fix against the behaviour change
[16:49] <mclasen> sure
[16:53] <asac> crevette: hey
[16:54] <asac> crevette: so which version of gnome-bluetooth are we looking at?
[16:54] <asac> crevette: somehow the -properties doesnt have the issue anymore
[16:54] <asac> 2.27.8-0ubuntu1
[16:54] <crevette> yep this one
[16:55] <asac> it just went a way
[16:55] <asac> crevette: does it work for you too? (i didnt even rebuild it)
[16:55] <crevette> didn't tested, I'll do tonight once I'm at home
[16:55] <asac> thx
[16:56]  * crevette is über hungry
[16:56] <asac> ;)
[16:56] <asac> bon appetit
[16:56]  * asac assumes you plan to stop that state ;)
[16:56] <crevette> I've nothing to eat around me, and that's better
[16:56] <crevette> eating at job is baaaad
[16:57] <asac> crevette: oh. all retract ... i had bluetooth "Off"
[16:58] <crevette> I need to ping pitti about acl for rfkill in 2.6.31
[16:58] <crevette> we need to had rules to permit people to manage the rfkill of the bluetooth adapter and I never touch udev
[16:59] <crevette> (/me would like to bite a toblerone)
[17:02] <pitti> crevette: that doesn't sound like something an user should have access to?
[17:03] <seb128> asac, echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches
[17:03] <crevette> pitti, you need to switch off the bt adapter apparently
[17:04] <crevette> pitti http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2009-July/msg00212.html
[17:05] <crevette> oups not the right link
[17:06] <crevette> pitti, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=585765#c4
[17:06] <pitti> hm, that sounds a little dangerous
[17:07] <pitti> that should be accessed by networkmanager
[17:07] <pitti> not by any random user IMHO
[17:09] <crevette> need to go
[17:09] <crevette> I should online quickly
[17:09] <crevette> bye
[17:09] <crevette> +be
[17:17] <seb128> james_w, so your logrotate thing for ck-history doesn't seem to make a difference
[17:18] <seb128> james_w, ck-history reads everything in the directory including .gz logs, ie if anything it makes it slower
[17:24] <pitti> dropping cron sessions from CK will already help a lot, but perhaps we should just disable reading of rotated logs then?
[17:27] <seb128> pitti, yes
[17:27] <seb128> pitti, I've some ten thousand entries there
[17:27] <seb128> or what asac said, don't rotate but only read a limited number of lines
[17:30] <pitti> we still need to rotate, though
[17:30] <pitti> otherwise /var/log will eventually overflow
[17:30] <asac> oh ck-history reads everything ... that explains it
[17:32] <james_w> seb128: yeah, it's not complete
[17:32] <james_w> seb128: I have a code change to ck-history to make it return some results quicker
[17:32] <andreasn> mpt, in the tomboy menu, the notes are objects, right?
[17:32] <james_w> but GDM waits until it has the complete list before showing anything anyway, so it doesn't win you anything
[17:33] <seb128> james_w, in any case reading a limited number of lines seems to make sense
[17:33] <james_w> could do
[17:34] <james_w> if GDM would display the first users that it gets straight away I think my branch would make it usable
[17:34] <james_w> but limiting the number of lines would be a quicker fix I guess
[17:35] <seb128> james_w, wouldn't having the list changing after some seconds still be weird?
[17:35] <james_w> it would
[17:35] <james_w> but my proposal is not to do that
[17:36] <james_w> instead of being purely frequency based as now, it would be a combination of frequency and recency
[17:36] <james_w> so if I only ever logged in twice, but both were yesterday, I would be higher in the list than someone that logged in 10,000 times a month ago
[17:36] <asac> awe: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa
[17:37] <seb128> james_w, ok fair enough, I was just pointing that it was reading everything in the rotated directory because I noticed that while playing with it
[17:37] <mpt> andreasn, yes, they're basically documents
[17:37] <seb128> james_w, I though the rotation was a workaround to the speed issue
[17:37] <james_w> seb128: yeah, I should have done better at discussing all the issues with you
[17:37] <james_w> no, that was just because it's the right thing to do
[17:37] <seb128> ok, seems you have everything on track
[17:38] <seb128> sorry for the noise ;-)
[17:38] <james_w> and because it at least bounds the time taken, even if it's still too long
[17:38] <mac_v> asac: when do we expect firefox3.5 to replace firefox 3.0 in Karmic?
[17:38] <james_w> no, I don't think I do
[17:38] <seb128> well you have an action plan at least
[17:38] <james_w> I'm not sure how to modify GDM for my proposal
[17:38] <james_w> but I could easily do the lines thing if needed
[17:38] <seb128> and we can easily use to the "read a limited number of lines" before karmic
[17:38] <james_w> and I have the code for the recency+frequency
[17:38] <seb128> right
[17:39] <seb128> I might have a look to gdm but doing asynchronous loading might be non trivial for somebody who don't know the gdm codebase
[17:39] <asac> mac_v: soon ;)
[17:40] <asac> i hope to have it by default in alpha4
[17:40] <mac_v> :)
[17:41] <asac> ccheney: so ooo doesnt build with xul 1.9.1 ... you think you could check that? https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ffox35
[17:43] <james_w> seb128: it seems to do async loading, but delays the draw until the completed signal
[17:43] <james_w> this may be for other reasons though
[17:44] <andreasn> mpt, done http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590653
[17:54] <mpt> andreasn, and here's where I start wincing because that's such an awkward API to use :-)
[17:54] <mpt> thanks for reporting that though
[18:19] <fta> http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=14822  I'm looking for ideas of what could cause that.. (metacity + compositing)
[18:21] <asac> fta: feels like the metacity patch we carry for a while
[18:22] <asac> hmm i think i dont undeerstand the bug
[18:22] <seb128> asac, he says that changing the chromium option makes the gnome-panel turn transparent
[18:23] <fta> more than transparent, it disappears, but it's still there
[18:23] <asac> ah ok
[18:23] <asac> i think metacity compositing is still buggy
[18:24] <fta> chromium changes it's default to hide its window decorations, so everyone using metacity with compositing is impacted.
[18:24] <kklimonda> If I prepare an update/merge of package maintained in ~ubuntu-desktop team's bzr repositories who should I subscribe for sponsorship? normal -sponsors as usual or ubuntu-desktop ?
[18:24] <fta> it seems fedora too
[18:24] <chrisccoulson> hey fta - i saw your message last night but didn't get a chance to reply
[18:24] <seb128> kklimonda, normal sponsors
[18:25] <seb128> kklimonda, which one?
[18:26] <kklimonda> seb128: and they are going to merge my bzr branch into "official" one? bug 407898
[18:26] <seb128> kklimonda, subscribe the universe sponsors for that one
[18:27] <seb128> kklimonda, yes, whoever does the update will do that
[18:32] <kklimonda> seb128: ok, thanks
[19:09] <UbuntuNISMO>  anybody can help fixing /etc/network/interfaces ? private me!
[19:17] <ccheney> asac: yea looking at it
[19:21] <ccheney> asac: it seems to not like the 1.9.1 headers, after digging though the build log
[19:22]  * ccheney will do a local non-threaded build and see if he can determine why
[19:22] <UbuntuNISMO>   anybody can help fixing /etc/network/interfaces ? private me!
[19:22] <chrisccoulson> hey pitti - having fun in dublin?
[19:23] <chrisccoulson> UbuntuNISMO - you want #ubuntu for support
[19:23] <chrisccoulson> and no need to ask the same question twice.
[19:39] <UbuntuNISMO> what is this channel about