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bazhangjondavis is the same guest6732 who was asking for 'hawt girls' in #kubuntu a short while ago00:52
Amaranth_going to try to fix this stupid thing once and for all02:01
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FlannelThanks nalioth02:05
nalioth:(02:06
FlannelWhat?02:06
naliothit sucks that folks are out there that require such treatment02:07
FlannelYeah, some people need to find a better hobby.  But fretting over it unfortunately won't fix anything.02:07
Amaranth_ok, hopefully fixed02:13
FlannelYay!02:13
=== Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth
AmaranthMy current theory is that my cable modem's NAT was keeping my router and computer from seeing how flaky my computer is02:14
AmaranthSo I turned the NAT back on but put my router in the DMZ02:14
Amaranths/flaky my computer/flaky my connection/02:15
lulwutzUsing proxy here, I was granted to use #kubuntu and it is not what I wanted.  Please grant me access to #ubuntu.  Thank you.04:51
Flannellulwutz: That's because you're banned from #ubuntu05:00
lulwutzFlannel: How long do ban last?05:01
Flannellulwutz: Until they get resolved.  In this instance, you'll need to discuss it with the operator who banned you05:01
Flannelwhich I believe is bazhang.05:01
lulwutzFlannel: I see.  Thank you.05:02
lulwutzbazhang: Are you available?05:02
bazhanglulwutz, hi05:02
lulwutzbazhang: Hello.  May we discuss our matter? ^^05:03
bazhanglulwutz, what nick were you using at the time05:03
lulwutzbazhang: iLove, iRa... etc.05:03
bazhangiRape?05:04
lulwutzbazhang: Yes.  And iSleep, iSomething.  Lot of iPhenanoms(sp?)05:04
bazhanglulwutz, you were asked to change that nick, yet proceeded nonetheless, adding a comment 'its all about the love'05:05
lulwutzbazhang: I believe I was banned during the process of changing nicknames, but not the ident.  This involves reconnecting the server, correct?05:05
lulwutzbazhang: I responded with that comment to somebody before you sent me a private message asking to change the nickname.05:06
bazhangis my synopsis an accurate one lulwutz ?05:06
lulwutzbazhang: What do you mean?  What synopsis?05:07
bazhanglulwutz, being asked to change, yet proceeding with the above comment with that nick05:08
lulwutzbazhang: Using unsuitable nickname, I joined and discuss.  The above comment was proceeded.  I get kicked (on account of nickname),  I get a private message from you asking to change my nickname.  I changed it.  You said something about ident.05:10
bazhang!coc | lulwutz please read this05:11
ubottululwutz please read this: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/05:11
lulwutzI do not know how I change ident but I'm assuming this have to do with the activity of disconnect/reconnect the server.05:11
bazhang!guidelines > lulwutz05:11
ubottululwutz, please see my private message05:11
bazhanglulwutz, you understand how that nick and ident are *completely* unacceptable and offensive?05:12
lulwutzbazhang: Yes I understood and knew it firsthandly.  My condelences for being silly which should not be happening in first place. :<05:13
lulwutzbazhang: I apologized for my trollish behaviors.05:13
bazhanglulwutz, I'm not entirely convinced of your apology, as the last time you joined to discuss it, you had the attitude of 'lul' as it was OK and much ado about nothing05:15
lulwutzbazhang: I see.  You're not convinced.  What can I do at this point?  I would like to join #ubuntu and help other people to the extent of my abilities and to get my wireless issue fixed so I could sell the netbook (this one).  I have searched the forums to no avail and I'm attempting to find out if anybody have same model as I do... would know the workaround for wireless issue.  I'm going to eBay it asap.05:18
lulwutzBut to do that, I have to convince you.  I know apology over online would seem silly and quite easy, but there are no "verified" way to apologize through online.05:19
=== lulwutz is now known as BadDog
=== BadDog is now known as Guest34476
Guest34476This is me.  Avoiding any "lul" in my nickname.05:20
bazhangGuest34476, this is not about apologizing to me; it is about the complete unsuitability of that nick and ident for Ubuntu channels, and indeed anywhere. and as you admit you knew beforehand and were using it to troll05:23
Guest34476bazhang: By the way, this is mobi-sheep.  If you recall, yes, I was being silly.  My main system is in Dell Repair because I flipped the cereal bowl accidentally on the laptop.  I'm operating everything on the netbook and I missed my main system already.  This was my punishment. ;(05:24
Guest34476bazhang: Yes, I apologized for troll and I'm telling you -- This won't happen again.  Please do mark my word.05:24
Guest34476If you could.05:24
bazhangGuest34476, you are a long time user of #ubuntu channel then (I recall the name mobi-sheep). Please read the guidelines and code of conduct above05:26
Guest34476Okay.  I'll read it.  Be right back.05:26
bazhangGuest34476, I dont feel comfortable lifting the ban at this point, as you consider it being 'silly'. I feel the need for guidance from some of our senior operators in this instance05:31
Guest34476bazhang: Being an operator in #ubuntu is not a privilege, it is a responsibility.05:33
Guest34476bazhang: It said so on the IRC Guideline.  You have your responsibility and you executed it beautifully.  I'm not going to argue with you on this one.  I even knew I did wrong.05:34
Guest34476bazhang: I only want to say I'm sorry and if you don't feel comfortable, please do seek guidance from others.  I'll wait patiently.  Also, I'm only Ubuntu user for six months or so but I have helped a lot in #ubuntu.05:35
bazhangGuest34476, please return in 24 hours as that should be enough time for others to weigh in.05:39
Guest34476bazhang: Okay.  Thank you.  Have a nice evening/night/morning/ or whenever it is in your time zone.  Thank you again.  I'll be going now.05:40
bazhangmobi-sheep. huh.05:41
bazhangelky jussi01 Pici would appreciate any views here05:42
elkylet me get this straight... mobi-sheep is... iRape?05:45
elkysorry keep bumping the RF button on the laptop. did someone reply to me?05:50
FlannelNot within the past five minutes05:50
Flannelif that's what you're asking05:50
elkythat is, yes05:51
jussi01Ive jus got off the night train, with very little sleep - though the bed was comfortable. Not a good time to get my view.05:51
bazhangelky, yes mobi-sheep was iRape05:55
elkyle sigh.05:58
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)07:07
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)07:07
indushi07:58
indushi was chatting in ubuntu off topic, and 'your country sucks' is not in the spirit of ubuntu i believe,please take some action07:59
indusgoodbye then07:59
jussi01indus: you have the ability to say something also - catalyse. :) anyone can do this, you dont need to be an op. *:)08:01
indusno its a bad argument08:01
indusi dont think any country sucks so i cant reply to such things08:02
jussi01indus: just say what you just said to us! ie. Hey, I dont think "your country sucks" is in the spirit of ubuntu chat, can we avoid that.08:03
induswell,ok08:03
indusbut does boil the blood08:03
jussi01indus: Ill have a look now, but its part of your participation to try and make the feeling good there. consider it like you are with a group of friends, do you call the police everytime someone says something not nice?08:05
indusjussi01:i get your point,but iam new in offtopic, and these things put you off,but iam glad you will look into it08:06
indusbut nvm08:07
jussi01indus: I agree, stating things like that is distasteful, but you are part of the community as well. :)08:07
jussi01anyway, thank you for the heads up :)08:07
indusok, somehow irc seems more hostile than the forums,those are really friendly08:07
indusi feel at home there,and i want to be here too08:08
jussi01ok, well thanks and see you next time.08:08
induspeace :)08:09
bazhanghmm. can't seem to edit a factoid08:27
Flannelwhich one?08:27
jussi01yer looged in?08:28
Flannelthe suspense is killing me!08:29
bazhangthe one for ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ; I get pinged there everytime someone calls it, but I am not on the access list so seems silly to have it (others work fine, am logged in)08:30
FlannelI don't think there's a separate ops trigger in -ot08:30
bazhangright. so I have just have to get pinged there then. hoped to remove my name, but if that is not possible, no worries.08:31
FlannelI'm just saying, I don't think there's a separate one.08:31
jussi01!search ops08:32
ubottuFound: ops-#ubuntu-bots, desktops, opabuse, laptop, ops-#kubuntu, amaranth-#ubuntu-ops*, desktopsearch, exploit, ops-#xubuntu-offtopic, ops-#ubuntu-cym08:32
jussi01not looking that way...08:32
jussi01!search op08:33
ubottuFound: code, browsers, ops-#ubuntu-cym, ot-#ubuntu-ops, ops-#ubuntu-motu, scp, strigi, hammertime-#ubuntustudio-devel, recon-#ubuntu-offtopic, icons08:33
Flanneljussi01: "ops" isn't on that list?08:33
bazhangwell it will work out at any rate. no big deal.08:33
jussi01hrm, weird, have a look on the ubottu.com site08:33
bazhangremoved outstanding bans, including that on mobi-sheep (all those I can see at least, am on lindbohm)08:44
ikoniamake a note - indus got "told off" in #ubuntu and is now looking for reasons for other people to be told off08:59
FlannelWhat? where?09:00
ikoniaindus got banned for a couple of days due to his attitude in #ubuntu and his stupid behaviour in -ops09:00
FlannelRight, I remember that09:00
ikoniahe doesn't like this so is now trying to find reasons for others to be "told off"09:00
FlannelAh09:00
ikoniahe's comaplined about quite a few - at the time, pointless issues09:01
ikoniaand made quite racist comments about it too09:01
ikonia"all westerners use foul language" etc etc09:01
ikonia(out of context)09:01
ikoniaI get the impressions this is now "payback"09:01
indusikonia: hello10:29
indusi dont recommend alternate unofficial methods of installation,but flash for 64 bit users is an exception10:30
ikoniaindus: what do you wnat ?10:31
ikoniawant10:31
indusdont dissuade me from recommending 64 bit flash, all users do so10:31
industhats all10:31
ikoniaindus: please don't recommend unsupported solutions without making it clear the consiquences of that solution10:31
indusi told you , the consequences in case of flash is absolute zero.10:32
ikoniano it's not10:32
indusits a plugin which if doesnt work can be easily deleted10:32
indusbut it does work and its documented well by now10:32
ikoniaindus: it can overwrite the existing file, if not used caefully, it is not tested with ubuntu - hence why it's not in the repos yet - it's not supported, just make it clear the situation10:33
indusok,but cos its alpha , ubuntu will never have it in repo10:33
indusikonia: also,my method involves moving it to new folder and not /usr/lib/mozilla10:34
indusi mean in home10:34
ikoniaindus: then mention "your" method10:34
indusyes i did10:34
ikoniaindus: give them clear info and explain the ramifications, and the limitations, it's not a roblem recommending it, just not as a first option and without making it cear10:34
ikoniaeg: how does firefox deal with conflicting libraries in /usr/lib/mozilla and /home/$user/.mozilla10:35
indusno further comments10:35
indusyou know your linux well,its good10:36
ikoniagreat, so please just make sure you make it clear that it's unsupported, the risks, and if possible help them through the processes10:36
indusas far as i know,having both plugins wont help, it first looks in /usr/lib,then goes to ./mozilla10:36
ikonia"as far as you know"10:37
indusya enough for ubuntu10:37
ikoniaenough for ubuntu ?10:37
ikoniaindus: look - I'm clearly not making myself clear when explaining this10:37
indusi survived for 3 years with it, iam sure most others too will10:37
ikoniathat's not the attitude10:37
ikoniaothers may not know better - others may not be "ok"10:37
indusi dont have any attitude, you seem to have some problem with me10:37
ikoniahence why I'm telling you to make sure you hilight the risks/unsupportability10:37
indus'risk' ? can you tell me the risk of using 64 bit flash?10:38
ikoniaindus: sure, it may make your browser / application unstable as it's not tested10:38
ikoniait may conflict with something else you have in10:38
ikoniait may install to theh wrong playce and overwrite your core flash library10:38
indusits tested by users isnt it? iam talking specific flash here10:39
ikoniaindus: yes, but offering a solution that is unknown at this time it offering someon a "test" solultion as a solution10:39
induswell,i get your point,but i try to avoid such things10:39
ikoniajust make it clear10:39
indusok,i need to see the irc guidelines now10:40
ikoniawhat ??10:40
ikoniathis is nothing to do with the guidelines10:40
indusyes i do,could you please10:40
ikonia!guidelines10:40
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ikoniaindus: please be aware that this is not a guidlines issue, this is just common sense10:41
indusso many people recommending all kinds of crazy advice on the channel,and you pick me10:42
ikoniano - I speak to anyone I see doing it,10:42
indusif you go through my history, if you find me recommending even a single unofficial solution, you can kick me again10:42
ikoniawhat are you talking about ?10:42
indusbut anyways, official is not always right10:43
indusbye10:43
ikoniaI've not kicked you - I'm not saying don't recommend things10:43
indusok ok10:43
indusgot it10:43
ikoniaI'm just asking you to be clear about what your recommending to people - and make it clear of the risks/supportability10:43
ikonia@mark #ubuntu indus Pushing flash64bit as a first option solution, not a problem but did not respond well to requests to try the official packages first unless people know what they are doing with alpha software, makes comment "0:43 < indus> but anyways, official is not always right"10:44
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topylioh. i just removed Abortionist from -ot. he is now bragging on pm that he's on the channel. turns out he's Bacta10:55
jussi01oh dear...10:55
ikoniaright freenode staff for him10:56
ikoniaooh jussi01 's around perfect10:56
jussi01ikonia: pm please10:56
topylibacta is cloaked, but has same ident and realname10:57
ikoniait's him10:57
ikoniahe's trolling #christian and ban dodging in there too10:58
jussi01let me look into it.10:58
topylibacta is still on -ot. what should we do?10:58
jussi01topyli: just leave it for now.10:59
topyliok10:59
ikoniatopyli: is he banned in -ot ?11:01
topyliBacta? i don't know11:01
jussi01hiya njan11:02
jussi01topyli: please explain the situation to njan ;)11:02
elkywe need richih11:02
topylihi njan :)11:02
elkyhe knows *all* about bacta11:02
ikoniabacta is comaplined about in #freenode ona daily basis for being a troll - he admits to it on a daily basis11:03
jussi01elky: njan's the man ;)11:03
ikonianow he's rubbiing peoples face in by ban dodging and trolling channels11:03
njantopyli, howdy :)11:03
jussi01but lets just get the situation explained ;)11:03
ikoniaI'm actually a little frustrated that staff don't dump this guy off once and for all11:03
njantopyli, what happened? trolled uncloaked, banned, /ns identified, re-trolled?11:03
elkynjan, pretty much, yes.11:03
topylinjan: i removed a user from #ubuntu-offtopic. he pm'ed me, bragging he's still on the channel. and he is, as Bacta11:04
njanOk. That's what it looked like. I've solved the problem, then. :)11:04
elkynjan, he's a network-wide troll, been getting away with it by light-handed staff for months.11:04
topylibacta is cloaked, Abortionist (the other one) is not. he has same ident, isp, realname11:04
elkytopyli, yes, and dear thomas doesn't realise we can see all that, for some reason.11:05
ikoniahe's in ##christian now flaunting it11:05
jussi01njan: so a simple remove of him should now sort it, correct?11:05
ikoniahe's just left ##christian now11:06
njanjussi01, actually, it should be resolved as is.11:06
njanjussi01, but if you want to remove him, be my guest.11:06
ikoniatopyli: I would remove him from -offtopic too - coming in with a nick to cause trouble does not allow his other nick to stay11:09
ikoniahe clearly knows what he was doing and I personally don't think it should be allowed to stay11:09
topyliright11:09
ikoniathat's my opinion11:09
ikoniain effect by using the nick bacta he is ban dodging abortinasits ban11:09
njanThe ban will now affect him, which is why he's stopped talking, since it's acting as a mute.11:09
njanHe won't be able to rejoin either, unless his ISP changes his hostname.11:10
ikoniain that case I'll remove him from -offtopic11:10
ikoniajussi01 is too quick11:10
ikoniakudos11:10
elkynjan, keep an eye out, he knows how to reconnect.11:10
topyliyep :)11:10
elkyi've dealt with this worm on a few networks :(11:10
njanelky, feel free to give me a poke if he evades the ban that way.11:11
ikoniahe started quizzing me about how I knew him on linuxchix the other day - out of the blue11:11
elkyyeah, just stay clear of that and ignore the cop/lawyer threats he'll dish out11:12
ikoniaI'm not interested in either11:12
ikoniaI have no interest in talking to him11:12
ikoniajussi01: njan thank you11:12
jussi01Im bored of him already. anything else interesting going on?11:12
ikoniawolf11:13
njanI note bacta's now in #ubuntu proper.11:17
ikonianjan: he's not banned from there unfortuanatly11:43
Piciikonia: yes, stop being too polite.12:44
ikoniaPici: it's a fault I know12:44
ikoniaPici has opened himself up for a lecture from indus12:46
ikoniagood luck12:46
ikoniajussi01: you wimp, I wanted pici to get a lecture ;)12:47
ikonia(I'm of course kidding)12:47
PiciYeah, no one yelled at me yet about the meeting...12:47
ikoniaoooh good,12:48
ikoniaI've not missed that ;)12:48
ikoniaPici: make sure you have a pillow down your trouses, elky had to stop inflating her tires to attend !12:48
elkyikonia, it's ok, i went and did that tonight13:00
ikoniaphew13:01
elkyikonia, for the fact that i have 4 servos within a few hundred metres of home, only only one has an air facility with a display13:02
elkytwo of them, the air doesn't even get to the nozzle, it exits in various places along the hose13:02
ikoniasounds rubbish13:20
Picielky: Do you have a moment13:56
elkyfor what?13:57
Picielky: re: bilbo_baggins, do you think I should have banned? I see your name attached to a lot of the history on the bantracker?13:59
PiciSee -ot a few minutes ago13:59
elkyyou'll know soon enough if you should  have.14:00
* Pici sets a new hilight14:00
bazhangwhat's the status of irseekbot14:46
elkybazhang, afaik it fell to bits or something.14:48
bazhangno response from 'dragonrigs' via PM14:48
bazhangelky, it just joined14:48
elkydoesn't mean people are not going to try revive it14:48
bazhangokay thanks14:49
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YuseiDarkUmbreonI'm banned from #ubuntu even though I never entered (in fact, I've only spent 10 minutes ever in this IRC server)15:56
ikoniaYuseiDarkUmbreon: one moment please15:57
PiciYuseiDarkUmbreon: We do not allow web java irc clients on our channel due to abuse issues, please connect with a regular client or use webchat.freenode.net15:57
ikoniaPici: ahh hwell spotted - thank you15:58
YuseiDarkUmbreonAh. Thanks.15:58
PiciXjs|moonshine: How can we help you today?15:58
ikoniaXjs|moonshine: what's up? how can we help ?15:58
Xjs|moonshinePici, ikonia: I was just curious about YuseiDarkUmbreon's fate15:58
ikoniaXjs|moonshine: how did you know he had a problem joining ?15:59
Xjs|moonshineikonia: he asked in # if somebody could ask in #ubuntu why he was banned. I asked for him and was directed here15:59
ikoniaI see,16:00
ikoniawell he's all sorted now16:00
Xjs|moonshineobviously, yeah16:00
Xjs|moonshinesee you next time, then16:00
ikoniabye16:00
PiciI've never seen anyone with +u not set +i before...16:01
ikoniayes, a few channels there16:03
ikoniahey it's swat !16:45
MamarokAmaranth: that doesn't look much better in terms of connectivity :(18:32
ubottuIn ubottu, jonex_ said: hey bra this shit is hard to me lol19:12
Pici!guidelines > raulh19:18
Flanneloh no.  Now they're trying to change the default IRC channel19:25
PiciFlannel: What?19:26
FlannelPici: Trying to make the IRC clients default to #ubuntu-CC19:26
PiciFlannel: Who said that where?19:26
Flannelgetting the link for you19:26
Flannelhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/loco-contacts/2009-August/003473.html19:27
FlannelEh, sounds more like a RFC on a second read19:27
Picihrm... It would have been nice to see that copied to the ubuntu-irc or irc-council mailing lists as well.19:28
FlannelHmm, Mr Castro's penultimate comment on the bug makes it sound like he didn't read any of the previous comments19:29
MamarokI don't think this will work out, as a lot of the loco teams do no support19:29
FlannelMamarok: well, and the whole globalization of support is a benefit in #u19:29
Mamarokalso LOCALE =! country for a lot of them neither19:29
naliothand #ubuntu-CC does what?19:37
Flannelnalioth: country-code, LoCo team19:38
naliothright.  that'll work fine, cuz your computer knows exactly where it is at all times19:38
FlannelI think they're going to use some black magic of empathy to do so, which is why that community bug now affects empathy for some silly reason19:39
jussi01I just love how they listen to us... the people here all the time...19:41
PiciIf they really really want to spend time developing features, just have empathy hide joins/parts in channels larger than $n19:42
PiciI have my joins/parts for #ubuntu going to a separate window and the traffic in there isn't that bad without them.19:42
jussi01bingo. or just turn off joins/parts to start with.19:46
Flannelmention it on the bug report19:47
Flannelhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/39279919:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 392799 in ubuntu-community "#ubuntu too noisy to be useful" [Medium,Confirmed]19:47
Piciadded my poorly written comment.19:58
jussi01Pici: it reads fine to me20:00
Picijussi01: well, the process of writing it was poor :P20:01

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