[10:24] dpm: query from KDE upstream http://paste.ubuntu.com/247033/ [10:24] dpm: we didn't have kde-l10n-sr-latin in jaunty so there's only a few files translated and it mixes sr@latin with sr [10:30] Riddell: I'm talking with Chusslove on kde-i18n atm. Basically, the variant translations are included in the main language' language pack. That means, the 'sr@latin' translations are included in the 'sr' language packs. The mixup is the normal behaviour, since variants fall back to the main language when there is no translation. If that is a problem, we might be able to explicitly define another fallback language. Let me talk to ArneGoetje about this [10:31] dpm: yeah, it seems like a bug in the fallback to me [10:40] hi peoples [10:40] :) [10:45] * Riddell cranks the handle on home internet connection to make it upload faster [10:46] dpm: I got an e-mail saying "I would like to be of help. I would like to help translating." where do I point them? [10:53] Riddell: if he/she said in which language he'd like to contribute to, the best thing is to point him/her to the list of translation groups -> https://translations.launchpad.net/+groups/ubuntu-translators, where then he/she can contact the translation team directly in his/her language. Otherwise, you can point them to the ubuntu-translators mailing list -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact. There someone will help them contacting the right t [10:53] eam. Or you can also forward the e-mail to me. [11:34] * davmor2 pokes Riddell livefs manifest still says 22nd dude [11:35] davmor2: mm, KDE 4.3 failed to upload due to home internet breakage, it's uploading now [11:36] Riddell: will there be a rebuild so I can test it? [11:36] davmor2: I'll do one later today if it all gets built [11:39] Riddell: Cool just ping me if you do I want to get some testing of the new installer in before alpha4 === jussi01_ is now known as eviljussi01 === ryanakca_ is now known as Guest23202 === a|wen_ is now known as a|wen === ulysses__ is now known as Guest29678 === ryanakca is now known as Guest56094 === Guest56094 is now known as ryanakca === ryanakca is now known as Guest44125 [14:46] Riddell: ping [14:48] Riddell: ping, updated drupal.ryanak.ca , icons are smaller, 96px now === Guest44125 is now known as ryanakca [14:50] Hi Kubuntu... Looking after gtk-qt-engine bugs in Debian, I wonder how Ubuntu handles those situations: a) launching gtk applications in KDE and b) launching gtk applications _as root_ in KDE [14:51] OdyX: I think we've dumped gtk-qt-engine and set the gtk theme to QtCurve for both cases [14:51] yuriy: hmm... [14:51] yuriy: thanks ! [14:51] kept the settings module, how that works for root i don't know [14:53] dantti: hi [14:53] Riddell: hey :D , was you that poke about printer stuff on the list? [14:54] OdyX, yuriy: it doesn't, root GTK apps use the nasty built in theme [14:54] dantti: that would be me [14:54] shtylman too [14:54] dantti: what are you planning? [14:54] Riddell: okay... it's not so trivial to do right... [14:55] Riddell: well I starting some sort of book, and I'm teaching some friends, c++/qt/kdelibs with it, and one of the tasks i'm willing to help them do is the printer module.. [14:56] dantti: system-config-printer-kde is written in Python [14:56] Riddell: today it segfaults here, and it's made on python.. [14:56] yep :P [14:56] so my idea was to rewrite it on c++ [14:56] OdyX: bug 205201 [14:56] Launchpad bug 205201 in kdesudo "[Hardy] The gtk-qt-engine doesn't work while staring applications as another user" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/205201 [14:56] Riddell: basically cause it would have much mode kde devs to help later [14:57] Riddell: and that I also have more experience with kde modules in c++ [14:57] dantti: that seems like a lot of work to fix one bug, it would also lose Python developers like me and it would mean it couldn't be in sync with gnome's system-config-printer [14:57] yuriy: thanks, but I have enough of these in Debian bts :-> [14:57] Riddell: hmm why sync? [15:00] dantti: well it's a fork of gnome's system-config-printer and it's kept in sync with it to remain current with CUPS and new features [15:03] Riddell: I see... well I'd need to look at both app to try to understand the basics, but if the code is going to be in python then i can't help, also if there were many benefits in using python i think it would be working by now.. (i'm not against python i just think c++ could benefit of most kde devs) [15:04] Riddell: if you think there is just little things to do to make it work, then i'll move to other stuff, otherwise we can start on c++... [15:05] dantti: I'd be against starting a c++ version, it would be more work to do and maintain, I think the lack of interest is nothing new in printing (nobody cared for printing in KDE 3 either) [15:08] c++ is faster then python ever will be [15:08] a [15:08] ghostcube: well that's not the problem :P [15:08] but an fact pro [15:08] :D [15:09] ghostcube: why caring about speed when you have an inkjet printer that lasts 40 seconds to print one page. [15:09] i have an laserjet oO [15:09] 2 secs [15:09] :D [15:09] ghostcube: it's just configure, we are not printing :P [15:09] i know i only was joking :P [15:09] btw didnt even python cancel python progz and reverted to an c++ pendant [15:10] Riddell: well, i now these things don't have much love, but more work to do and maintaing i guess depends on what do you know.. [15:10] 3.0 to 3.1 afaik [15:10] guys even compiz gets c++ now so ... [15:10] lol [15:12] wouldnt the cups printer webpage all someone need for an printer setup ? [15:12] *be [15:13] i always manage mny printers by this [15:13] ghostcube: yep, but that's ugly, is much coller to have that manages by native kde look'n'fell [15:13] hmm isnt macos already build oO [15:14] * ghostcube ides and runs [15:14] Riddell: well last question: does that module get's in system settings? and automattically detects thje printer? [15:14] Riddell: cause if not i would like to make a kded module to detect the printer, show a popup, and call the printer manager.. [15:14] dantti: system-config-printer-kde is in system settings. printer-applet from kdeutils is the bit that pops up when a new printer is detected [15:15] hal-cups-utils (now system-config-printer-udev) is what does the actual printer detection [15:15] your distro may vary [15:15] i see.. so that should be there, if it's not it's because it's not working right? [15:16] yes it means something is missing or not working [15:25] why are you still using patch kubuntu_10_turn_on_kwin_compositing.diff? [15:26] mgraesslin: is there a reason we shouldn't? [15:26] well KWin is able to detect if compositing is supported or not [15:27] and that KWin requires Compiz looks strange :-P [15:28] compiz now has a workarround for the not syncing window refreshment [15:28] :) [15:30] mgraesslin: kwin uses some information based on the kwin maintainers experience, the compiz blacklist uses information based on the actualy drivers in ubuntu which is far more reliable for us [15:31] but that list is only used, if it is not intel, nvidia, radeon or fglrx [15:32] and if the Ubuntu blacklist is better, it would probably be better to use the information directly in kwin [15:37] yeah, so currently it trusts KDE for the main cards then trusts Ubuntu for the obscure ones [15:38] we should probably ask for feedback from people to see if it works [15:40] in case of the obscure cards I'd prefer keeping compositing turned off - those cards are mostly old and probably not powerfull enough to run a composited workspace [15:51] nope [15:52] on some of them the whitelisting works fine for compositing [15:52] so its at own risk if you want to bring compiz on [15:52] so it should be in kde too === markey_ is now known as markey [17:59] people in identica and twitter are asking when kubuntu packages for 4.3 will be availible - what to tell them? [18:04] Nightrose: last i've heard packages was still building on karmic ... hopefully finishing soon [18:04] ok [18:06] * a|wen so much needs a kde overview of versions + build status [18:11] Nightrose: kdepim and kdeplasma-addons is still in depwait so we're not there yet [18:12] k thx [18:12] jaunty still has to wait as well i guess? [18:14] nah, consider releasing it soon ... but wanted an extra ninja to agree [18:15] considers* [18:17] ok let me know when packages are up so I can dent and tweet it [18:17] people are impatient already ;-) [18:23] will the main release be in backports ? or in the rc3 repo ? [18:24] backports-ppa i'm quite sure [18:24] thx [18:30] * Trouble is poised for KDE 4.3 for Jaunty [18:31] ghostcube: you on jaunty? [18:31] yes [18:33] ghostcube: PM [18:34] bug #408962 [18:34] Launchpad bug 408962 in plasma-runner-kopete "plasma-runner-kopete needs updating" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408962 [18:34] I hope I done it right [18:35] JontheEchidna: ^ [18:41] ryanakca: ping [18:49] Riddell: how can we get some of the papercuts assigned to a milestone? maco didn't get props on djsiegel's latest papercut entry [18:50] seele: I think you ought to get djsiegel to add you to the papercuts project so you can just set it yourself. [18:52] a|wen: pong [18:52] if you are a member of ubuntu-bugs you should be able to set milestones as well correct? [18:53] jjesse: papercut milestones [18:53] ryanakca: do we have a kde 4.3.0 news-item ready? [18:53] jjesse: It's a separate LP project. [18:53] ah sorry mis understood [18:53] a|wen: I don't know, not to my knowledge [18:53] im confused about why fixed papercuts arent listed but im assuming its because only ones that are attached to a milestone are [18:54] ryanakca: maybe time to produce one ... don't know who usually does that [18:55] a|wen: what PPA is it in? [18:55] ScottK: i'm not allowed to be part of the project [18:55] ryanakca: it will be in https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/backports/ when we release it [18:55] a|wen: thanks [18:56] seele: canonical only? [18:56] ryanakca: packages for karmic are still building ... most of the core-packages looks done though [18:56] that would suck if it was canonical only [18:57] maco: yes [18:57] seele: Oh. That's an interesting demonstration of desire for community involvement. [18:57] a|wen: 4.3 on Jaunty installs fine, no problems here [18:57] agreed [18:57] jjesse: its owned by the ayatana team, i believe [18:57] Mamarok: cool ... can you remember what you upgraded from? [18:58] from 4.2.98 [18:58] a|wen: the only thing held back is kdepim-dev, but that's so since beta2 [18:59] Mamarok: okay ... that is no problem when upgrading from 4.2.x at least [18:59] as I have both the jaunty-backports and the backports PPA active, where does 4.3 come from? [18:59] PPA? [18:59] seele jjesse ScottK: Maintainer: Canonical User Experience and Design team [19:00] Mamarok: from the backports-ppa when we choose to release it [19:00] ryanakca: you started on a news-item? .. if so, ping if you need some proof-reading or when you have it ready [19:01] ok, is it supposed to end up in the jaunty-backports soon? [19:02] Mamarok: that was the idea ... but depends on any larger issues coming up and more [19:02] ok [19:03] somebody mentionned a new patched tarball from upstream earlier, is this in already? [19:03] patche like yesterday or so [19:04] new tarballs was synced less than 24 hours ago according to my backlog [19:06] a|wen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/247379 [19:07] great :) [19:11] * ghostcube waits for launch [19:11] :D [19:13] ryanakca: looks good ... http://paste.ubuntu.com/247384/ ? [19:14] ryanakca: uh, and we probably want to link to http://kde.org/announcements/4.3/ [19:22] a|wen: done, tell me (or someone else with access) when you're ready to have it published, the draft is on the website. [19:23] ryanakca: cool, thanks ... just trying to get an overview over the status in karmic [19:23] a|wen: OK. If you prod someone else, the link to the draft is https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3 [19:24] ryanakca: perfect... thanks again === rdieter is now known as rdieter_away [20:42] I can't see any i18n packages being built in the staging repository. Will there be any? [20:43] * mgraesslin notes that golem.de has a screencast based on Kubuntu's 4.3 RC2 packages and in the comment section people are complaining about the bad i18n state [20:44] * ghostcube notes that germans should be able to read some english words :P [20:45] oda ? [20:45] hehe [20:45] ghostcube: are you running KDE 4.3 in Kubuntu with a non english locale? [20:45] if not, give it a try - it's terrible [20:46] I don't mind English, but having the mixture is terrible [20:46] i know they have done some work recently on translations [20:46] ich weiss ich hab die rc3 am laufen gehabt oO [20:46] mgraesslin: in jaunty or karmic? [20:46] jaunty [20:46] mgraesslin: then that is why ... no translations to the ppa-packages [20:46] a|wen: I think batl10n* can be used for publishing kde-l10n to ppa [20:47] at least I seem to remember that I implemented that for the hardy backports [20:47] I know that are mostly troll posts, but http://forum.golem.de/read.php?34174,1874427,1874455#msg-1874455 [20:49] a|wen: there is still some hardcoded stuff, but technically you just need to ensure .batrc got BD set to jaunty and run batl10n jaunty === rdieter_away is now known as rdieter [20:50] a|wen: then set ARCHIVE to whatever the ppa is named in the dput cf and batl10n-upload should be good to go as well [20:50] apachelogger: cool ... so it does work with kde4 [20:51] anyway [20:51] => bed [20:51] oo [20:51] alter man === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [21:10] shtylman: Is the ubiquity stuff uploaded yet for the installer? [21:10] Just trying the Kubuntu netbook and not seeing all your fancy work yet :( [21:12] * a|wen seriously misses a core-dev now === ulysses__ is now known as Guest72111 [21:55] 4.3 is in kubuntu backports! [21:55] ryanakca: I believe you have a news story waiting? [21:57] a|wen: or you have a news item? [21:58] Riddell: https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3 [21:59] time to fire up konqueror [21:59] groovy [21:59] has the status bar disappeared from konqueror for anyone else? [22:00] Riddell: let me know when packages for jaunty are live and kubuntu.org has an announcement so i can dent it [22:00] people are waiting impatiently ;-) [22:00] mine's still there [22:00] Nightrose: go go! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3 [22:00] ~twitter update Kubuntu packages for 4.3 are up! http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.3 [22:00] status updated [22:00] Riddell: thanks :) [22:01] hmm kopete probably shouldnt hide in the tray instead of closing when...well...when plasma-desktop isnt running and thus there is no tray [22:01] what are the plans for plasma-widget-networkmanagement for karmic wth respect to wep and wpa support? [22:02] Riddell: pushed [22:02] dtchen: "cross your fingers"? [22:02] dtchen: I hope to test that tomorrow, although it doesn't mean I can do much if it doesn't work [22:02] yay! [22:03] dtchen: wstephenson asked for some help with a UI issue earlier, maybe if we find someone to fix it he'll get it talking to networks in return [22:03] the current snapshot in karmic still fails wep and wpa on ar9170 (running both karmic's kernel and compat-wireless-2009-08-04; network-manager-gnome works fine) [22:04] with plasma-widget-networkmanagement, it seems to be looping once associated and immediately disassociating [22:06] dtchen: wep works for me so it could be something driver specific [22:06] Riddell: true, but that's rather unlikely given both wireless-tools and n-m-gnome work fine [22:07] anyhow, if it's seriously annoying in the next two hours, i've grabbed the sources [22:07] back to alsa bugs [22:11] haha === olujicz_ is now known as olujicz [22:18] is the X crashing bug still present when upgrading to KDE 4.3 in jaunty? [22:19] /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.3.0-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1_all.deb [22:19] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [22:19] /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.3.0-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1_all.deb [22:19] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [22:19] /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-icons-oxygen_4%3a4.3.0-0ubuntu1~jaunty1~ppa1_all.deb [22:19] E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) [22:20] sry [22:21] did not want to spam [22:21] didnt get it, that it was already in here [22:21] bdgraue: pastebin the whole problem (paste.ubuntu.com [22:21] Riddell: thx, i know [22:22] its very often with kde-icons-oxygen [22:22] i have to dpkg -i --force-overwrite [22:23] bdgraue: we need to fix it so you don't have to do that ... so please pastebi the errors [22:24] http://identi.ca/notice/7564103 <- Riddell [22:24] what can i answer him? [22:26] a|wen, Riddell: hope its help, its almost german http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/247506/ [22:27] that figures, it's an upstream bug that [22:28] Nightrose: umm, dunno what's going on there [22:29] k [22:29] Nightrose: I'd ask him to try apt-get -f install and if that didn't sort it paste the output from apt-get install kde-core also apt-cache policy kde-core [22:30] i'll just tell him to get support on IRC [22:30] Nightrose: infact I don't know where he's getting that "kde" package form [22:30] from [22:31] afaik from the announcement [22:31] we'll see if he comes to #kubuntu [22:32] nothing about "kde" meta package there, it's called kde-full now [22:32] ah he might be installing the wrong package then [22:32] he's on ubuntu [22:32] nielsslot: more details? [22:33] dtchen: the kubuntu release notes of the first two RC's mentioned the problem.. just wondering if it was fixed [22:43] hmmm [22:43] i updated to 4.3.0 and now after login pure white screen [22:43] oO [22:43] is there anything not ready till now [22:45] ghostcube: tried disabling compositing? [22:45] i autostart compiz [22:46] what config stores the setting for the default wm [22:51] uh, compiz ... /me runs [22:51] it worked before so the update has done anything :) [22:52] what did you upgrade from? [22:52] in what file doe the systemsetting store the settings for the default wm [22:52] 4.2.4 to 4.3.0 [22:52] and i only see a white backround [22:52] i can see some plasmoids [22:52] urgh, I built plasma-runner-kopete for karmic and now I can't use it in jaunty cause of version conflicts >_< [22:53] then a lot of things have changed ... i've always sticked to kwin, so dunno [22:53] Quintasan: make your own backport :) [22:53] I don't want to /sob [22:53] :S [22:53] JontheEchidna: do ypu may know where systemsettings stores what WM is loaded [22:54] in which file [22:54] python plasmoids still don't work for me [22:54] oh, I have a great idea [22:54] rm -r .kde [22:57] * a|wen seriously needs some more diskspace [23:04] kde 4.3 runs smooth, i like it :) [23:05] well done, package guys [23:05] bdgraue: can you paste the output of apt-cache policy libqt4-core ? [23:06] bdgraue: actually apt-cache policy libqt4-network [23:07] Riddell: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/247530/ [23:07] thanks [23:08] Hell, it's damn fast [23:10] GRRRR, damn that stupid python [23:12] ~twitter update KDE 4.3 packages need kubuntu staging PPA for now as well as backports [23:13] status updated [23:13] Riddell: has any of the kde-packages been built after qt? [23:13] yes, we have updates last night [23:14] Riddell, a|wen: can you try adding python plamoids? [23:14] plasmoids* [23:15] Riddell: damn ... at least it is a public ppa this time around [23:15] Riddell: so i have to add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/staging/ubuntu jaunty main as well? [23:16] bdgraue: well you're ok you already have that Qt [23:16] and it'll copmile in backports soon I hope. stupid PPA bugs. [23:18] urgh, and how do I set different plasmoids and wallpapers per desktop? [23:18] Quintasan: zoo, out and configure plasma [23:19] s/zoo,/zoom [23:19] oh, nice [23:19] thanks [23:20] * Quintasan notes his graphics card sucks and zooming out takes at least 5 seconds [23:20] Quintasan: is there any of the default plasmoids that are python ones? [23:21] a|wen: don't think so, try installing Plasmacon using GNHS [23:21] gnhs? [23:21] get new hot stuff [23:21] ahh [23:22] oh god I lol'd [23:22] very clever [23:23] hmmm ok now with staging my white screen is gone [23:23] but still i cant do anything [23:23] is there still stuff compiling [23:23] ghostcube: the ultimate solution to every KDE config problem is to remove whole .kde directory ;) [23:24] -_- [23:24] Quintasan: script initialization fails ... but i'm pretty sure that kdebindings is not kde 4.3 on jaunty [23:25] i have a very clean 4.2.4 install and did update so every one doing this will need to remove .kde ? i dont think so [23:25] i cant type into run command [23:25] hmmm [23:25] ghostcube: in my case everything worked [23:25] but I use kwin [23:25] i dont get to the systemsettings to change it [23:26] :| [23:26] try alt+f2 [23:26] doesnt work cant type into [23:26] but there must be a file where systemsetings stores all you put in or [23:26] .kde/share/config [23:27] -_- [23:27] check the files in that directory [23:31] anyone here using fglrx? [23:40] Riddell: how do we go about getting an icon requested to be added to kde? more specifically oxygen? do I just ask pinheiro? we need an add printer icon (I don't think on exists) if we want to be able to use meaninful icons in the system printer config [23:40] shtylman: you report a bug in bugs.kde.org I believe [23:40] k [23:41] you can also ask kwwii but he's going on holiday for the next three weeks [23:41] ahh [23:41] I will try the bug route...see how that goes... [23:41] Nightrose: see pein in #kubuntu isn't that the guy you mentioned? [23:57] hi [23:58] one of the marble developers just noticed that kdeedu 4.3 might need a build dependency to libgps-dev [23:58] otherwise our uber-cool gps support won't get noticed ;-)