[09:24] <kklimonda> richardcavell: and? that's why it's development release - everything changes all the timme
[09:24] <richardcavell> kklimonda: they only have 10 weeks to get every app and every package to work nicely together
[09:25] <kklimonda> not every - just a subset of them
[09:36] <Boohbah> richardcavell: and that is why you are testing development releases, to help in the process
[09:48] <mac_v> FWIW , karmic is so much better than Jaunty for me...
[09:50] <lupine_85> +1 ;)
[09:50] <lupine_85> although, is it just me or is the LTSP not "finished" yet?
[09:50] <lupine_85> (which is, you know, reasonable)
[10:38] <connex> Hi, I need help with 173 nvidia drives.
[10:42] <yofel> hi connex, what's broken?
[10:44] <connex> There is no suitable kernel module for nvidia
[10:46] <yofel> ok, from the beginning. You installed the 173 driver, restarted, and X failed to load and the log says the module can't get loaded?
[10:46] <connex> yes
[10:46] <yofel> connex: then try to reinstall the driver and check if you get any dkms errors
[10:47] <connex> i did, no errors
[10:47] <yofel> you got the kernel headers installed?
[10:47] <connex> how do i check?
[10:48] <yofel> type in a terminal: 'apt-cache policy linux-headers-$(uname -r)'
[10:48] <yofel> and check if 'installed' tells you the version and not (none)
[10:49] <connex> it tells the version
[10:50] <yofel> hm, does 'sudo modprobe nvidia' give you an error?
[10:50] <connex> it says not found, i'll apt-get intall nvidia-glx-173 and try right?
[10:51] <yofel> well, you should have that installed already
[10:51] <connex> the only warning i get during intall is
[10:52] <connex> obsolete option --print-installation-architecture, please use --print-architecture instead
[10:53] <yofel> ah, I've got that too, ignore it
[10:53] <connex> and i have a module called nvidiafb
[10:53] <connex> which loads i guess
[10:53] <yofel> connex: just to make sure again, you _do_ have nvidia-glx-173 installed
[10:53] <connex> yes
[10:53] <yofel> connex: the nvidiafb module *should* be blacklisted
[10:54] <yofel> you can't use it with the glx driver
[10:54] <yofel> you can check that in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.conf
[10:55] <connex> ok, there is no nvidia driver
[10:55] <connex> only nvidia-agp and nvidiafb
[10:56] <yofel> in the blacklist file yes, that's how it should be
[10:56] <yofel> ok then
[10:56] <yofel> do you have a folder in /usr/src called nvidia-173.14.16 ?
[10:57] <connex> yes
[10:57] <Severian> Howdy.  Bug 404451 says jfs is no longer built into the kernel.  I believe I found another problem that could have been caused by this.  Is there a reason jfs was moved out of the kernel?
[10:57] <yofel> good, you are running the kernel that you want to use the driver on?
[10:57] <connex> it's the only one i have so i guess yes
[10:58] <yofel> good, then run the following commands please:
[10:58] <yofel> 'sudo dkms remove -k $(uname -r) -m nvidia -v 173.14.16'
[10:59] <yofel> 'sudo dkms build -k $(uname -r) -m nvidia -v 173.14.16'
[10:59] <yofel> 'sudo dkms install -k $(uname -r) -m nvidia -v 173.14.16'
[10:59] <yofel> any errors?
[11:00] <connex> on the remove it says there is no instance of nvidia 173.14.16
[11:00] <yofel> that's ok, since you didn't have one
[11:01] <connex> i got an error
[11:02] <connex> "Error! Bad retirm status for module build on kernel 2.6.31-3-generic i686
[11:02] <connex> s/retirm/return
[11:04] <yofel> good, failure found, let me try here
[11:05] <connex> there are a lot of c errors in the make.log
[11:05] <yofel> yup, build failed here too o.O
[11:08] <connex> so, what are we going to do? install an older kernel?
[11:09] <yofel> connex: you'll have to, or wait till the new driver is available in karmic - see bug 398893
[11:10] <yofel> the build failure was aso reported as bug 397314
[11:10] <connex> yofel, as i recall, it happened even with older kernels
[11:10] <yofel> well, there was a build failure bug for 2.6.30 too
[11:11] <connex> ok, which and how do i get the kernel
[11:11] <yofel> connex: you could try an older mainline kernel build
[11:11] <connex> how
[11:11] <yofel> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[11:12] <connex> how do i install them? manually?
[11:12] <yofel> you'll need the 'hearders...i386' 'headers...all' and 'image...i386'
[11:12] <yofel> connex: yes
[11:12] <connex> isnt' there an apt-get something for this?
[11:13] <yofel> connex: these builds aren't meant to be used by a wide audience so it doesn't support apt
[11:14] <connex> so which one do you suggest
[11:14] <alteregoa> i found a new kernel
[11:15] <yofel> connex: since there was a build failure reported with 2.6.30 too, I would try 2.6.29.6
[11:16] <connex> ok so what are the steps, to this?
[11:18] <yofel> connex: download the files I told you (into a separate folder would be best) first
[11:19] <yofel> then change into that folder in a terminal and run 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' . That will install all kernel files.
[11:20] <yofel> and again: only install the files for your architecture ;)
[11:20] <connex> there are newer kernels then 2.6.29 like 2.6.29.6
[11:20] <alteregoa> is there a realtime kernel patch for koalic karmac?
[11:21] <yofel> connex: thats why I suggested 2.6.29.6 . It contains a few bugfixes
[11:29] <alteregoa> never trust a klingon
[11:29] <alteregoa> why e4defrag is removed by default?
[11:30] <yofel> alteregoa: e4defrag isn't removed, it's not yet in
[11:30] <alteregoa> its in e2fsprogs or something
[11:31] <alteregoa> i download the tarball and build a deb package for myself
[11:31] <yofel> alteregoa: yes, it's in upstream e2fsprogs, but the ubuntu version isn't new enough
[11:35] <yofel> alteregoa: you can check bug 321528 if you want
[11:36] <connex> yofel, can you repeat the files required?
[11:36] <yofel> but afaik e4defrag isn't yet in a released version of e2fsprogs, only in the development version
[11:37] <yofel> connex: you need linux-headers-2.6.29-02062906-generic_2.6.29-02062906_i386.deb linux-headers-2.6.29-02062906_2.6.29-02062906_all.deb and linux-image-2.6.29-02062906-generic_2.6.29-02062906_i386.deb
[11:38] <alteregoa> it would be nice to add a crond, check the fs for fragmenting, after a trigger of like 20 percent defrag it online
[11:38] <alteregoa> how can i trace the programs and libs being loaded during startup?
[11:40] <yofel> alteregoa: I'm not sure what you mean by trace, but if you want a graph of your boot then check out bootchart
[11:40] <alteregoa> i wanna know the loaded libaries during startup
[11:41] <alteregoa> then i compress it with upx
[11:41] <yofel> alteregoa: and my expirience with e4defrag (built from source) is: Although it didn' break anything and seems to work, it doesn't yet support converted ext3 filesystems
[11:41] <Severian> How long should I wait after asking a question before repeating it if there was no response?  I am trying to decide what to do about a bug in the installer.
[11:42] <yofel> Severian: you could try to bug the kernel folks directly in #ubuntu-kernel
[11:42] <yofel> (regarding your question from an hour ago)
[11:43] <Severian> yofel, thanks.  I'll try there.  Yes, about that question.
[11:50] <connex> yofel, Using the older kernel fixed my sound problem, now all i have to check is if nvidia is working.
[11:53] <zniavre_> connex,  if you are using 173.14.xx you should try nvidia.com driver supply they updated 173.14.20 fot recent kernel
[11:53] <connex> how can i check my gain level ?
[11:57] <yofel> connex: if the audio settings don't work try pavucontrol or alsamixer
[12:00] <connex> thanks
[12:00] <connex> zniavre_, will envy get the correct drivers for me?
[12:01] <zniavre_> i do not know nothing about envy script
[12:01] <yofel> hn, envy should just try to install the repos drivers, so i don't think that would help
[12:02] <zniavre_> http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.20.html
[12:02] <yofel> and although the drivers from the nvidia site might help, they are completely unsupported here.
[12:02] <zniavre_> but they work ...
[12:03] <yofel> zniavre_: yes, and since apt doesn't know about them you might get a messed up system
[12:35] <gnu-dio> so I installed karmic on my main machine, and I let it install grub. Grub didn't find and add the XP install. NP, I thought, and went to edit the grub menu.lst. Couldn't find it. appears to be a new grub I've never seen. any pointers?
[12:36] <yofel> !grub2 | gnu-dio
[12:36] <yofel> gnu-dio: see 'dual-booting'
[12:36] <gnu-dio> thanks
[12:36] <gnu-dio> perfect
[12:47] <gnu-dio> wow, grub2 is WAY more complex...
[13:02] <kayess> yofel, is grub 2 also the place I need to be looking at to understand why the new karmic kernel won't mount my main disk (uses encryption on lvm2)
[13:05] <yofel> kayess: might be, but I don't know much about lvm and nothing about encryption, sry
[13:07] <kayess> Is grub 2 before or after the kernel loads? I guess if it's before then it won't be related (the old Jaunty kernel mounts the disk and boots fine)
[13:08] <yofel> kayess: it's obviously before, since it's grub that loads the kernel ;)
[13:09] <ripps> Hmm... mobile-broadband-provider-info wants to remove libmbca0, is that okay?
[13:09] <kayess> yofel: that just dawned on me :) The broken laptop is still running the old grub anyway
[13:10] <gnu-dio> yofel, thanks again. 100% exactly what I needed. and a whole bunch of education on grub2 on the side ;)
[13:21] <kayess> yofel: The instructions on that grub page you linked to. Shouldn't the sudo grub install line be "sudo grub install /dev/sda" -- assuming that was the boot disk identified in the previous step?
[13:25] <fosco_> hi
[13:25] <fosco_> does anyone know how to use grub2 themes?
[13:26] <yofel> fosco_: theming isn't yet implemented in the (ubuntu?) grub2 version afaik, but you might find something useful on the wiki page
[13:26] <yofel> !grub2
[13:27] <fosco_> ok, let's read :)
[13:27] <gnu-dio> http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20Splashimages.html
[13:27] <gnu-dio> if you start reading on yofel's you can end up at mine
[13:28] <gnu-dio> I haven't tried that yet
[13:33] <fosco_> i'm trying to use this theme, but i think jaunty's grub is not ready for that
[13:33] <fosco_> http://grub.gibibit.com/Theme_winter_menu.jpg
[13:33] <gnu-dio> that is pretty
[13:35] <fosco_> yep
[13:35] <gnu-dio> but I believe yofel, and you, are right. the version currently being used with karmic isn't ready for that
[13:35] <fosco_> but i think it uses a mod that grub 1.96 supplied with jaunty hasn't
[13:35] <gnu-dio> I'm about to try the suggestions on that link i posted
[13:38] <alteregoa> hi
[13:38] <alteregoa> something with the network manager is messed up
[13:39] <gnu-dio> I'd gotten really comfy editing my menu.lst files, and now they have to go and mess with me with all these new options....
[13:39] <alteregoa> i it doesnt resolve dhcp anymore
[13:50] <gnu-dio> mine seems to be working, but other than that I'm unlikely to be any help. I just installed karmic for the first time yesterday
[13:50] <richardcavell> I just upgraded my MacBook from 2.6.31-4 to 2.6.31-5.  Now my networking is completely broken (wired and wireless).  I kept the old kernel and can select it in GRUB2, and it doesn't fix networking.  Yet I can network fine from OS X.  Any ideas?
[13:51] <gnu-dio> richardcavell sounds like a similar issue to what happened to alteregoa, who was asking for help a minute ago
[13:51] <yofel> richardcavell: there was a network-manager update right now too, maybe that's broken?
[13:51] <yofel> (I haven't installed it yet)
[13:51] <gnu-dio> installing all updates right now
[13:51] <gnomefreak> oh good question le tme check on n-m
[13:51] <gnu-dio> so if that breaks it i'll now in a minute
[13:51] <gnomefreak> i doubt ill get an answer soon but asked the maintainer
[13:51] <AlanBell> my dhcp just broke
[13:51] <AlanBell> sudo dhclient returns a permission error
[13:51] <gnu-dio> looks like a common problem all of a sudden
[13:51] <richardcavell_> sorry guys got disconnected there. I can't network from Linux at all any more (I'm in OS X right now).  After upgrading my kernel from 2.6.31-4 to 2.6.31-5, my wired and wireless networking is kaput.  Any ideas?
[13:51] <gnu-dio> that's 3 people with similar symptoms for the last 3 questions
[13:51] <AlanBell> yup. friend of mine also dropped out, that was on a wired connection. mine is wireless
[13:51] <yofel> richardcavell_: 14:43:51 < yofel> richardcavell: there was a network-manager update right now too, maybe that's broken?
[13:51] <gnu-dio> is everyone's symptoms tied to updating?
[13:51] <yofel> richardcavell_: I'm running 31-5 with the old NM fine
[13:52] <AlanBell> fwiw my card is using the rt2500PCI driver, but I don't think it is hardware specific
[13:52] <richardcavell_> yofel: what was the package name?
[13:52] <richardcavell_> AlanBell: I have an atheros 9k
[13:52] <gnomefreak> gnu-dio: im waiting to asac to get back to me on n-m
[13:53] <gnomefreak> everyone with n-m issues is the version you are using 0.7.1.git.5.272c6a626-0ubuntu1?
[13:53] <yofel> richardcavell_: there were updates for network-manager and libnm-* I think
[13:53] <richardcavell_> gnomefreak: is that the one that appeared in Update Manager over the last 24 hours?  If so, then yes
[13:53] <gnomefreak> yofel: correct
[13:54] <gnomefreak> richardcavell_: there could have been 2 in last 24 hours so i need full version
[13:54] <gnomefreak> >=2
[13:54] <penguin42> the update to libc has had a fun effect on python
[13:54] <richardcavell_> gnomefreak: I'm booted into OS X right now.  Do you want me to reboot into Linux?
[13:54] <gnomefreak> hes not at PC atm so he cant tell me :)
[13:54] <AlanBell> on the plus side the update has fixed 3g networking with the icon225 dongle hso driver
[13:54] <richardcavell_> there were two updates to libc in the last 24 hours, by the way
[13:55] <gnomefreak> 1st had a problem 2nd fixed it. thats why i want to know version of n-m :)
[13:55] <gnomefreak> everyone else besides richardcavell_ with n-m problems please give me broken version
[13:55] <penguin42> gnomefreak: It's the fact it went to 2.10.1 that confused a comparison in a python library that was seeing if it had a version of at least 2.4
[13:56] <gnomefreak> penguin42: ah
[13:57] <gnomefreak> i see other than flashgot im not getting anything done without asac here grrr
[13:57] <gnomefreak> and PPA is busy it seems
[13:57] <richardcavell_> I have another symptom, by the way.  I have two wireless connections set up.  First is at home to a router.  Second is to my University.  Because I was looking at 78 megs of updates today, I drove into Uni and sat in my car downloading (at high bandwidth).  I then applied all updates and drove home.  When I got home it wouldn't connect to my home router.  But here's something weird - when I...
[13:57] <richardcavell_> ...look in Network Connections, it says the last time it connected to my Uni was 5 days ago (which indeed it did).  It doesn't seem to 'remember' that it connected about 2 hours ago.
[13:57] <gnu-dio> gnomefreak: so the update I'm doing right now might skip a broken version? lucky 4 me :)
[13:58] <gnomefreak> gnu-dio: i dont know i need old version + newversion
[13:58] <AlanBell> about says 0.7.1
[13:58] <gnomefreak> AlanBell: apt-cache policy network-manager
[13:58] <gnomefreak> dont paste it in here use pastebin
[13:58] <AlanBell> yeah, realised when I got back you wanted that . . . brb . . .
[13:59] <gnomefreak> i have a feeling there isnt one between 0.7 and 0.7-git..
[13:59] <gnomefreak> its the git info that is important
[13:59] <gnomefreak> git.5.272c6a626
[14:00] <gnu-dio> that is the candidate version I'm upgrading to now
[14:00] <AlanBell> yes, it is git.5.272c6a626
[14:01] <gnomefreak> thanks
[14:02] <AlanBell> I updated about 30 minutes ago and rebooted
[14:03] <richardcavell_> Is someone here working on a fix?
[14:04] <AlanBell> is there anything more we can do to diagnose what the problem is, or is it sufficiently understood?
[14:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> I can upload dmesg etc.
[14:23] <TylerRichard> and no to the bug its not on launchpad
[14:23] <richardcavell_> Oh, gnomefreak, Tyler's message just reminded me - I use DHCP to connect to my router.  It can't connect.  But when I tried to give it a fixed IP it was able to at least see the router.  Maybe it's a DHCP problem?
[14:23] <TylerRichard> it is
[14:23] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: ubuntu-bug network-manager
[14:23] <AlanBell> should collect what it can and make a bug
[14:23] <richardcavell_> Okay, can someone say that they're filing the bug?
[14:23] <TylerRichard> it fails with a Open a socket for lfp: Operaton not permited
[14:23] <richardcavell_> TylerRichard: try it with sudo
[14:23] <TylerRichard> I cant launchpad gave me an error
[14:23] <TylerRichard> I did
[14:23] <gnomefreak> we are uploading trunk build tomorrow but im thinking everyone file own bugs
[14:23] <TylerRichard> same error richardcavell_
[14:24] <richardcavell_> TylerRichard: are you able to connect at all?
[14:24] <TylerRichard> no
[14:24] <richardcavell_> So you're currently connected on a different machine or different OS?
[14:24] <richardcavell_> gnomefreak: what's happening tomorrow?
[14:24] <TylerRichard> richardcavell_: yes, im on a differnt comp
[14:25] <gnomefreak> richardcavell_: trunk will be uploaded but hes looking at it in a few
[14:25] <richardcavell_> gnomefreak: pardon me but I don't understand what you mean.  Can you explain what that means, because I wish I knew
[14:25]  * gnomefreak filing bug
[14:25] <gnomefreak> richardcavell_: trunk is latest git
[14:25]  * richardcavell_ congratulates gnomefreak
[14:26]  * gnomefreak hasnt lost connection so not sure how helpfull
[14:26] <richardcavell_> so is the current Karmic network manager not from git?
[14:26] <gnomefreak> richardcavell_: it is but they come out nightly/daily
[14:26] <richardcavell_> so you're suggesting it might be fixed by tomorrow?
[14:26] <gnomefreak> not sure what trunk has yet
[14:26] <gnomefreak> richardcavell_: yes but we are looking into it
[14:27] <TylerRichard> is it a  socket restriction error?
[14:27] <AlanBell> I can file a bug, got mine online with 3g
[14:27] <popey> AlanBell: ubuntu-bug network-manager if you will..
[14:27] <AlanBell> popey: doing that now
[14:27] <popey> cool
[14:27] <richardcavell_> gnomefreak: well has anyone done some work on networking today?  If not, then how is tomorrow's stuff going to be any different?
[14:27] <popey> i have the necessary info off my machine
[14:28] <gnomefreak> once filed someone has to change title to be correct
[14:29] <popey> there was a new libnm and network-manager today
[14:29] <TylerRichard> richardcavell_: see similar geentoo error http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/hardened/173233
[14:29] <gnomefreak> richardcavell_: the upload process for Ubuntu can take more than a day once pushed
[14:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have to go now. My son is graduating from Nursery :-)
[14:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes. It fixed my 3g dongle :-)
[14:30] <gnomefreak> ok give me a minute here
[14:30] <gnomefreak> everyone bug 408861 please update info to it
[14:30] <TheOpenSourcerer> c u laterz
[14:30] <gnomefreak> and the files i have attached you should attach
[14:30] <popey> do you have the bug gnomefreak ?
[14:30] <AlanBell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/408862
[14:30] <gnomefreak> popey: what is going on? i didnt get a watch out for this (joining)
[14:30] <richardcavell> sorry gnomefreak I got disconnected there
[14:31] <gnomefreak> popey: bug 408861
[14:31] <popey> gnomefreak: I'll add to 408862 given it's from someone who actually _has_ the bug :)
[14:31] <gnomefreak> popey: good idea :)
[14:31] <popey> AlanBell: confirmed
[14:32] <richardcavell> AlanBell: I'm adding myself as a me-too to your bug
[14:32] <gnomefreak> richardcavell: attach files dont just me too
[14:32] <TylerRichard> confirmed
[14:32] <richardcavell> gnomefreak: what files?
[14:32] <gnomefreak> the problems are not proven to be the same yet
[14:32] <gnomefreak> richardcavell: most of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/408862/comments/1 these
[14:33] <mac_v> anyone has tried gnome 3.0 ?
[14:33] <yofel> popey: running 'apport-collect <bugnumber>' would have been easier ;)
[14:33] <gnomefreak> but honestly any files you can. see 408861 for the files apport uploaded
[14:33] <popey> yofel: and how exactly would one do that on a machine with no network?
[14:33] <gnomefreak> good point
[14:33] <richardcavell> gnomefreak: I'm going to try to give myself an assigned IP from the router instead of connecting via DHCP to see if that fixes it
[14:33] <stevepearce> small question, I have just installed 9.10 via the daily build 02/08/2009. After applying upgrades (just now) and rebooting, I have lost all networking (both wired and wireless), are the bugs mentioned above related?
[14:33] <yofel> popey: good point -.-
[14:34] <popey> sheesh
[14:34] <gnomefreak> stevepearce: we know
[14:34] <richardcavell> stevepearce: add yourself to the me-too list mate
[14:34] <stevepearce> ok, thanks
[14:34] <gnomefreak> stevepearce: are you on the PC with no connection?
[14:34] <stevepearce> yes
[14:34] <gnomefreak> stevepearce: cool than use apport-collect 408862
[14:34] <popey> hang on
[14:34] <gnomefreak> if its the broken connection PC
[14:34] <popey> stevepearce: are you _in_ karmic right now?
[14:35] <stevepearce> not on this irc box, it's jaunty. The laptop I mentioned running karmic is sitting next to me
[14:35] <mac_v> gnomefreak: how will he send it ? ;) with no connection ;p
[14:35] <popey> right
[14:35] <popey> again, no point asking people to do stuff when they have broken network
[14:35] <popey> wakey wakey people
[14:35]  * penguin42 yawns
[14:35] <AlanBell> anything more useful I can do with my connected buggy box?
[14:35] <stevepearce> mac_v, that's the thing :)
[14:36] <gnomefreak> mac_v: he said he was on system with the connection issue
[14:36] <popey> AlanBell: you could try reverting the packages that came in most recently
[14:36] <gnomefreak> .:09:34:16:. <      gnomefreak > stevepearce: are you on the PC with no  connection?
[14:36] <gnomefreak> .:09:34:21:. <     stevepearce > yes
[14:36] <popey> not a clear question
[14:36] <stevepearce> gnomefreak, sorry
[14:36] <popey> anyway
[14:37] <AlanBell> popey: ok, how do I revert a package? (been wondering about that for a while)
[14:37] <popey> AlanBell: can you look in /var/cache/apt/archives and look at the most recent updates, probably network-manager, libnm and a couple of other bits..
[14:37] <mac_v> !downgrade
[14:37] <popey> not useful mac_v
[14:38] <mac_v> popey: no i was searching for the link... there is a wiki how to revert a package
[14:38] <penguin42> if you have the old package you can install it with dpkg -i, if it's still in the rpo you can do an apt-get install packagename=version I think
[14:38] <popey> AlanBell: you can test by grabbing the debs from the archive and manually dpkg them in or there is a way to force it with apt
[14:38] <popey> thats it
[14:38] <penguin42> the common gotcha however is that some other package may depend on the newer other thing you installed so you often have to take a few others back as well
[14:38] <hggdh> anyone aware of apparmor messing up with (at least) network setup?
[14:39] <AlanBell> I only have the new version in the cache
[14:39] <popey> yes, so you will need to go get the older one
[14:39] <popey> if you apt-cache show network-manager you can get the url from where it came
[14:39] <gnomefreak> hggdh: are you sure its apparmor?
[14:39] <popey> pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_0.7.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb for example on my desktop
[14:39] <popey> just go to the repo http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool.... etc
[14:39] <BluesKaj> Howdy folks
[14:39] <hggdh> gnomefreak, yes. sudo service apparmor stop allowed me to connect
[14:39] <popey> and look for the version of those packages thats one older than the one you have
[14:40] <gnomefreak> everyone care to try that?
[14:40]  * popey pops upstairs to try
[14:41] <TylerRichard> can anyone get to the packages.ubuntu.com server? I get a server down error?
[14:41] <hggdh> oh, so it is already known...
[14:41] <popey> that did it
[14:41] <gnomefreak> hggdh: oh yeah non stop this morning
[14:41] <gnu-dio> hggdh: most likely, if your issue overlaps everyone elses
[14:41] <popey> fix0r3d for me
[14:42] <stevepearce> gdgd, I have eth0 networking again
[14:42] <stevepearce> thanks
[14:42] <popey> (i am now talking to you from that machine)
[14:42] <popey> nice one hggdh
[14:42] <gnu-dio> that's proof
[14:42] <penguin42> yeh I can't get to packages either
[14:42]  * gnu-dio bows to hggdh
[14:42] <gnomefreak> i commented ont he bug about it
[14:42] <AlanBell> sudo service apparmor stop
[14:42] <TylerRichard> hggdh: fixed mine
[14:42] <popey> so AlanBell just change your bug from network-manager to apparmor
[14:43] <gnu-dio> ok, now that we have a fix to try, I'm rebooting the updates. hope to be back soon ;)
[14:43]  * gnomefreak too be back in a few
[14:45] <hggdh> cool. I have not yet had time to look at apparmor profiles, though
[14:45] <hggdh> any bug opened on it?
[14:45] <TylerRichard> yes
[14:45] <TylerRichard> hggdh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/408862
[14:46] <hggdh> TylerRichard, thank you. I will update it
[14:46] <TylerRichard> I can't find profie error though in apparmor
[14:46] <BluesKaj> TylerRichard, hggdh , network manager has become areal problem , hence my advice to most ppl is to install wicd
[14:49] <AlanBell> bug 408862
[14:49] <hggdh> BluesKaj, although I agree in part, this issue does not seem to be n-m *only*, if at all. We will have to see the progiles
[14:49] <hggdh> s/progiles/profiles/
[14:50] <TylerRichard> BluesKaj: its not netman its aparmor actualy dhcp would fail in wicd too
[14:50] <AlanBell> it is in apparmor now
[14:50] <popey> oo look, a new apparmor package :)
[14:50] <gnu-dio> ok, I installed all current updates, and rebooted fine without losing networking
[14:50] <popey> gnu-dio: you probably got the new apparmor
[14:50] <popey> skipping the duff one
[14:50] <gnu-dio> lucky me
[14:51] <gnu-dio> I did see apparmor on the list of 7 updates I did the instant before booting
[14:51] <BluesKaj> TylerRichard, I saw on a latest update using aptitude that apparmor was held back
[14:52] <AlanBell> upgrading now
[14:56] <AlanBell> yay! connected on reboot
[14:56] <TylerRichard> AlanBell: good stuff
[14:56] <AlanBell> kids are happy, playroom can see cbeebies website again
[14:57] <TylerRichard> hggdh: can we close the bug report?
[14:57] <hggdh> yeah, already fixed. Now we wait for the new package to hit the repos
[14:57] <TylerRichard> hggdh: sweet
[14:57] <AlanBell> hggdh: that was from the repos
[14:57] <hggdh> TylerRichard, the original report (bug 408862) has already being auto-closed as a duplciate
[14:58] <hggdh> AlanBell, yes, the update from early this morning had an issue. A new one is being built now
[14:59]  * richardcavell_ is back
[14:59] <richardcavell_> I just tried to fix my networking by giving myself a static IP (manual rather than DHCP), but it made no difference
[15:00] <hggdh> richardcavell_, no, it will not work, since the issue was on apport
[15:02] <AlanBell> richardcavell: do sudo service apparmor stop
[15:02] <AlanBell> then sudo apt-get update
[15:02] <AlanBell> then sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:02] <richardcavell> AlanBell: Will that fix it?  I'm in OS X right now
[15:02] <AlanBell> and all will be well
[15:03] <Pici> richardcavell: Well, you'd need to boot to Ubuntu first...
[15:03] <richardcavell> hggdh: what you said doesn't make sense
[15:03] <TylerRichard> richardcavell: it works
[15:03] <AlanBell> maybe a sudo dhclient after stopping apparmor
[15:03] <richardcavell> Okay you obviously all worked out the problem while I was gone
[15:03] <richardcavell> Okay Alan, I'm placing my Karmic partition in your hands dude.  Here we go.
[15:04] <hggdh> richardcavell, I found it while still offline, when I tried to tcpdump the connection (I am at a customer, and my connection have been plagued by DHCP issues)
[15:04] <TylerRichard> quick question has anyone got irc in empathy yet?
[15:09] <richardcavell> XD I'm in Karmic right now
[15:10] <gnu-dio> ;)
[15:10] <TylerRichard> bump: quick question has anyone got irc in empathy yet?
[15:10] <gnu-dio> hggdh is dog for tracing the issue to apparmor... nobody else was looking anywhere near apparmor
[15:10] <gnu-dio> lol "gof"
[15:10] <gnu-dio> god
[15:11] <gnu-dio> I need to take some typing practice obviously.
[15:11] <richardcavell> TylerRichard: No
[15:12] <richardcavell> TylerRichard: Let me know if you find out how to do it
[15:12] <richardcavell> Now, okay, it was apparmor.  But here's the thing: I'm now running without apparmor
[15:13] <gnu-dio> now update again
[15:13] <gnu-dio> there is a new apparmor that appears to be working
[15:13] <gnu-dio> at least it is for me
[15:14] <BluesKaj> no updates here yet ,North American main server
[15:14] <AlanBell> TylerRichard: I had irc working in empathy in Jaunty, haven't tried it in Karmic yet
[15:15] <richardcavell> AlanBell: What sort of account do you add?
[15:15] <richardcavell> Or how do you get IRC to work?
[15:15] <TylerRichard> AlanBell: seconded
[15:16] <AlanBell> IRC
[15:16] <AlanBell> it is a blue #
[15:16] <AlanBell> think I had to install an extra package or something to get it
[15:18] <AlanBell> !info telepathy-idle
[15:18] <AlanBell> I thought that was going to be installed out of the box in karmic
[15:19] <TylerRichard> I guess not
[15:19] <TylerRichard> it should be thoug
[15:19] <richardcavell> well is that for Empathy ?
[15:19] <TylerRichard> I can't check im in an upgrade
[15:19] <richardcavell> ha ha me too
[15:20] <richardcavell> and at the rate this server's going, I will be all night
[15:20] <AlanBell> richardcavell: yes, empathy uses telepathy
[15:20] <richardcavell> AlanBell: Okay
[15:21] <richardcavell> Is Empathy any good as an IRC chatter?  I use xchat
[15:21] <AlanBell> but a lack of a graphical irc client on the default install would be a bit of a shame
[15:22] <AlanBell> richardcavell: it isn't great, but it is functional for a newbie
[15:22] <richardcavell> AlanBell: Jaunty includes xchat-gnome
[15:22] <richardcavell> I have xchat set up the way I like it anyway.  When someone uses my nickname, I get a doorbell sound
[15:22] <AlanBell> richardcavell: not sure it does
[15:23] <AlanBell> !info xchat-gnome
[15:23] <gnu-dio> hmmm there doesn't seem to be a winehq repo for karmic yet....
[15:23] <richardcavell> AlanBell: Are you sure?  I could have sworn it was installed by default in Jaunty
[15:24] <AlanBell> pidgin is in by default and that does IRC
[15:24] <BluesKaj> richardcavell, I admire your ability to withstand the xchat colour scheme. I know it's editable and all but it's pita to get setup right IMO :)
[15:24] <richardcavell> BluesKaj: I downloaded a theme that replaces the default one
[15:24] <richardcavell> Funny you should say that because my theme is all blue
[15:24] <BluesKaj> richardcavell, ok , good move :)
[15:25] <richardcavell> Everything's white for me except when my nam eis mentioned - then it gets highlighted and I get the doorbell sound
[15:26] <BluesKaj> I never went far enuff with xchat to care ,cuz knonversation fits my needs and style very well
[15:27] <BluesKaj> not that i'm really into eye candy , but I draw the line at purply text :)
[15:27] <TylerRichard> I got it working thanks richardcavell
[15:30] <ripps> Okay, after some updates and a reboot, things seem to be actually working today. And it doesn't seem mount.ntfs is soaking up all my cpu now (at least for the moment). Still waiting on a wacom tablet that works on boot
[15:30]  * BluesKaj begins to wonder about the main server...switched to server for Canada, now I'm getting upgrades
[15:35] <richardcavell> The Australian servers give me weird errors, so I'm using the main server again
[15:35] <ripps> Nautilus is still slow as crap though So I'm sticking to thunar
[15:36] <TylerRichard> after upgrade and reboot dhcp still is non functioning for me
[15:36] <richardcavell> TylerRichard: Are you using the main server?
[15:36] <TylerRichard> yep
[15:37] <TylerRichard> richardcavell: yes i am
[15:38] <richardcavell> Turning off apparmor was enough to get my DHCP working
[15:38] <richardcavell> I'm using it right now *shrug*
[15:38] <gnu-dio> Anyone actually LIKE the ubuntu orange/brown theme? Or does everyone change it first thing like me?
[15:38] <TylerRichard> ok ill just keep it shut off
[15:39] <BluesKaj> richardcavell, is apparmor a default daemon in karmic ?
[15:39] <richardcavell> gnu-dio: Go to bigfoto.com and you can find desktop resolution large photographs
[15:39] <richardcavell> BluesKaj: Yes
[15:40] <richardcavell> I have a large image of a firefox
[15:40] <richardcavell> (the animal, also known as a red panda)
[15:40] <gnu-dio> richardcavelli: I'm partial to hubble photos from hubblesite.org
[15:41] <TylerRichard> https://pixelgirlpresents.com has some great stuff too its artsy and retro stuff
[15:41] <BluesKaj> Irich  wonder what the consequences would be if I removed it from /etc/int.d ?
[15:41] <BluesKaj> err richardcavell
[15:41] <TylerRichard> BluesKaj: just rename it
[15:41] <mac_v> has anyone tried gnome 3.0 in Karmic?
[15:42] <TylerRichard> BluesKaj: it woln't run if u rename it
[15:42] <richardcavell> BluesKaj: I reckon it would still work
[15:42] <richardcavell> I mean, I'm running without apparmor right now
[15:42] <BluesKaj> TylerRichard, ok sounds reasonable
[15:43]  * BluesKaj renames apparmor to apparmored
[15:44] <richardcavell> I'm doing apt-get upgrade and it says network-manager-gnome is being kept back
[15:44] <richardcavell> I've never seen that before
[15:44] <richardcavell> What does that mean?
[15:44] <TylerRichard> it means that theres an apt conflict
[15:45] <TylerRichard> it can happen on broken package links or if you use apt-get for complicated stuff and upgrades
[15:45] <richardcavell> well I'm just doing what AlanBell advised
[15:45] <richardcavell> has the package been held back owing to our recent discovery of a bug?
[15:46] <TylerRichard> might be
[15:46] <richardcavell> You know, I decided not to upgrade my computer for a couple of weeks earlier today but I just couldn't resist.  I'll trust my first instinct next time.
[15:47] <penguin42> hehe
[15:50] <richardcavell> I decided instead of installing 50 megs every few days, I'll let it just build up over time and hopefully skip a few intermediate steps.
[15:50] <TylerRichard> we need to put telapathy-idle into the default packages b4 the feature freeze
[15:51] <TylerRichard> !info telapthy-idle
[15:51] <richardcavell> !info telepathy-idle
[15:52] <richardcavell> Okay I'm trying to upgrade from the main server and it's going ridiculously slowly
[15:54] <gnu-dio> woot! it finally works! I've been trying to run guild wars in wine/mandriva for a month, and first try in wine 1.01/karmic is success, lol ubuntu rules
[15:55] <nocturn> Hi
[15:55] <nocturn> anyone know what the default IRC client in Karmic will be?
[15:56] <TylerRichard> empathy?
[15:56] <nocturn> Empathy is replacing pidginm but telepathy-idle is in universe
[15:56] <nocturn> and not working anyway
[15:56] <TylerRichard> It seems to work for me
[15:56] <TylerRichard> its basic but thats fine for what i do
[15:56] <nocturn> I'm on Karmic Alpha3 with updates
[15:56] <nocturn> an no connection...
[15:57] <gnu-dio> I haven't tried empathy yet. I'm kinda partial to pidgin. do people think empathy is better? worth playing with at least?
[15:57] <nocturn> But still, emapthy with irc is not supported (universe)
[15:57] <richardcavell> I prefer empathy
[15:57] <richardcavell> It's pretty simple
[15:57] <nocturn> gnu-dio: Empathy can do stuff that pidgin can't
[15:57] <nocturn> voice chat over Jabber
[15:57] <TylerRichard> it has support for google voip chat and video
[15:57] <nocturn> desktop charing
[15:57] <gnu-dio> hmmm
[15:57] <nocturn> TylerRichard: you don't even need google for that
[15:58] <nocturn> OpenFire seems to work just fine
[15:58] <gnu-dio> sounds like I need to set aside some time to look at empathy...
[15:58] <nocturn> The only caveat is that I cannot get IRC working so far
[15:59] <penguin42> Are there any modern irc clients that allow multiple windows rather than purely multiple tabs? I still use ksirc because it lets me do that
[15:59] <richardcavell> XChat can put each channel or private message in its own window
[15:59] <nocturn> penguin42: both empathy and pidgin can do that
[15:59] <itswhatev> penguin42: pidgin can
[15:59] <gnu-dio> pidgin lets you undock the tabs
[15:59] <nocturn> it's a setting
[15:59] <TylerRichard> sudo apt-get install telepathy-idle
[15:59] <nocturn> and you can always drag the tabs
[15:59] <nocturn> TylerRichard: I did that
[16:00] <TylerRichard> did u restart empathy
[16:00] <penguin42> maybe I'll look at empathy  - I've seen people use pidgin for irc and didn't like it
[16:00] <nocturn> TylerRichard: yes, even rebooted
[16:00] <TylerRichard> does it show the sharp symbol and irc in the menu
[16:00] <nocturn> yes
[16:00] <nocturn> It says IRC Network error
[16:00] <TylerRichard> you can;t connect?
[16:00] <nocturn> no
[16:00] <TylerRichard> humm
[16:00] <nocturn> I'm on via Weechat now
[16:01] <TylerRichard> I'm not sure how to fix that, mine seems to work
[16:01] <TylerRichard> what server did you pick freenode
[16:01] <nocturn> Strange...
[16:01] <nocturn> yes, Freenode
[16:02] <nocturn> it has presets for FreeNode
[16:02] <richardcavell> Alright guys I'm off to bed.  Thanks for the solution to that networking problem.  Make sure you update your bug reports!
[16:02]  * richardcavell is off to bed
[16:02] <Shirotoko> smplayer has a weird vertical refresh :(
[16:03] <bmunger> nice..newest update broke my ethernet.. cant get an ip now says Open a socket for LPF: Operation not permitted
[16:03] <TylerRichard> nocturn:
[16:04] <bmunger> oh its apparmor
[16:04] <TylerRichard> under freenode in account settings click the edit button and move "irc.freenode." up
[16:05] <nocturn> TylerRichard: same result, even after empathy restart
[16:05] <Shirotoko> how do i close the cd-tray via command ?
[16:05] <TylerRichard> don't know what to tell you man
[16:05] <TylerRichard> sry
[16:06] <Shirotoko> :D ok i did it
[16:06] <nocturn> No prob.
[16:06] <nocturn> Thanks anyway
[16:07] <gnu-dio> trying to use irc with empathy was a fail for me as well
[16:07] <gnu-dio> back to pidgin
[16:11] <bjsnider> Shirotoko, eject /dev/cdrom
[16:13] <Shirotoko> thx
[16:13] <Shirotoko> i'm getting tired of this automount thingy
[16:24] <Shirotoko> usb pendrivers mount ok
[16:24] <Shirotoko> but cd-rom or usb-hdd doesn't mount Automatcly
[16:26] <SKB> nothing mounts here
[16:26] <SKB> automatically
[16:26] <Shirotoko> i think is because user privileges
[16:27] <Shirotoko> i added myself to root group but still, things doesn't mount by themselves
[16:29] <bjsnider> don't add yourself to root's group. that's a security risk
[16:30] <bjsnider> anyone who cracks your password could gain control over root's files and directories
[16:30] <Shirotoko> it's ok, i remove myself from there , was only or testing
[16:30] <bjsnider> the automount issue is known. there wre many people in here yesterday complaining about it
[16:30] <Shirotoko> i'm currently in admin group only
[16:30] <Shirotoko> oh ok
[16:31] <bjsnider> you should be checking for bugs on launchpad since you're using an unstable distro still in the alpha stage
[16:31] <Shirotoko> what groups are recommended to work properly, mount units, print, etc
[16:32] <Shirotoko> thx, i was cheking in ubuntu forums, and didn't find anything there
[16:39] <Shirotoko> how can i find out what device is my usb-hdd
[16:40] <yofel> Shirotoko: 'df'
[16:40] <arand> Shirotoko: fdisk -l ?
[16:41] <Shirotoko> not recogniced =(
[16:42] <Shirotoko> f***
[16:43] <arand> Shirotoko: what is "not recognised"?
[16:43] <Shirotoko> but that tell's me what is allready mounted ?
[16:44] <Shirotoko> didn't find my disk on that list
[16:44] <penguin42> Shirotoko: You can look in /proc/partitions to see all your devices and if you really want you can follow them down from /sys/block
[16:44] <arand> Shirotoko: By the way, for the fdisk command, prepend sudo...
[16:46] <itswhatev> how can i pipe to a file owned by root?  this used to work: cat blah.txt >> sudo rootstuff.txt
[16:47] <Shirotoko> nothing
[16:47] <Shirotoko> i don't see it
[16:50] <Shirotoko> i've installed hardinfo, and i don't see my disk :(
[16:51] <Shirotoko> usb_storage module is running
[16:55] <yofel> Shirotoko: any errors in 'dmesg' when plugging it in?
[16:55] <Shirotoko> [ 9728.904031] usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 9
[16:55] <Shirotoko> [ 9729.316018] usb 2-1: device not accepting address 9, error -71
[16:55] <Shirotoko> [ 9729.316043] hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 1
[16:56] <ia> hello. since gnome in karmic use brand new gdm, does exist some way to configure it? (like it can be done in previos versions via gdmsetup)
[16:56] <stevepearce> hello again all, I am experiencing this issue with an external NTFS disk
[16:56] <stevepearce> I get the same out in dmesg
[16:56] <stevepearce> *output
[16:56] <ia> itswhatev: try cat blah.txt | sudo tee -a rootstuff.txt
[16:57] <itswhatev> ia: is that the solution?  why?
[16:59] <ia> itswhatev: see man tee
[17:00] <itswhatev> i know what tee does,  but why doesn't normal redirection work?
[17:00] <penguin42> itswhatev: A > redirect doesn't work because it's executed by the shell you are in not the sudo'd new shell
[17:01] <yofel> Shirotoko: stevepearce: me too with one of my usb disks
[17:01] <yofel> after debugging it I'm sure that's it's not a kernel issue
[17:02] <yofel> but I've no idea where to look now
[17:02] <itswhatev> penguin42: well, it used to work fine, so i'm wondering what changed
[17:03] <yofel> and Sarvatt had the same error, but somewhere else
[17:03] <yofel> iirc
[17:03] <penguin42> itswhatev: I'm sorry, I don't think that would ever have worked - you must be misremembering what you used to do
[17:03] <yofel> Shirotoko: does your complete output look like this? http://yofel.pastebin.com/f36a381ee
[17:04] <itswhatev> penguin42: i guarantee "echo blah >> sudo rootowned.txt" used to work.. i wouldn't misremember that
[17:05] <Shirotoko> yofel: yes, exactly like that one
[17:06] <penguin42> itswhatev: I'm happy to let you guarantee that, it's still wrong
[17:06] <stevepearce> yofel, same output here
[17:12] <Shirotoko> new kernel bug? for what i been reading..
[17:12] <yofel> Shirotoko: jaunty kernel 2.6.28 gives me the same errors
[17:12] <yofel> in *karmic*
[17:13] <Shirotoko> they say that unninstallin  the devicekit-disks package
[17:13] <Shirotoko> it fixes
[17:13] <Shirotoko> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/387161
[17:14] <Shirotoko> here's the quote of the fix
[17:14] <Shirotoko> In my case, the problem dissolved when I downgraded the package gvfs to the jaunty version.
[17:14] <Shirotoko> I have also uninstalled the devicekit-disks package, which does not have the jaunty version.
[17:17] <Shirotoko> i don't think that's possible without compromise the whole system do
[17:18] <Shirotoko> will be safe to do this? 'dpkg -r --force-all devicekit-disks'
[17:19] <Shirotoko> sh** i don't know what solution of that post really works
[17:22] <Shirotoko> ahahaha i fix it
[17:22] <Shirotoko> 2 commands  no need to restart
[17:22] <Shirotoko> apt-get install --reinstall devicekit-disks
[17:22] <Shirotoko> mv /lib/udev/rules.d/95-devkit-disks.rules{,.disabled}
[17:23] <stevepearce> Shirotoko, i'll give that a go
[17:23] <Shirotoko> both with root permision
[17:23] <Shirotoko> do that and reconnect the drive, and it worked =)
[17:23] <Shirotoko> did*
[17:24] <Shirotoko> dmesg is no longer showing errors
[17:25] <stevepearce> yup, that fixed it, thanks
[17:50] <BluesKaj> hmm, the medibuntu repos is still unreachable :(
[18:17] <stevepearce> the build of Gwibber that ships with 9.10 requires that the user ticks "Statusbar" and "Editor" under "View".
[18:17] <stevepearce> in previous releases (9.04) these options were enabled by default.
[18:17] <stevepearce> is this a bug?
[18:48] <diverse_izzue1> my network-manager is broken since today. downgrading to 0.7.1 didnt help. can anyone help?
[18:49] <stevepearce> a lot of folks experienced network-manager breakage today, new packages went out. Are you fully up to date?
[18:49] <diverse_izzue1> stevepearce: maybe not. which version is the newest?
[18:50] <billybigrigger> 0.7.1.git.3.0461fff8-0ubuntu2
[18:51] <billybigrigger> my bad..
[18:51] <billybigrigger> 0.7.1.git.5.272c6a626-0ubuntu1
[18:51] <BluesKaj> I still think wicd is the network manager with the fewest problems , even tho it's not the default
[18:51] <diverse_izzue1> i had some XXX.git.5.272.XXX version, ill try and fetch the new one
[18:52] <billybigrigger> diverse_izzue1, that is the newest
[18:52] <BluesKaj> !info wicd
[18:52] <diverse_izzue1> billybigrigger: drat. it wont connect to a WLAN for me
[18:52] <billybigrigger> you could try the ppa for nm-applet 0.8
[18:53] <billybigrigger> its what i use, no problems here, but i'm wired
[18:53] <diverse_izzue1> url?
[18:53] <billybigrigger> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/trunk/ubuntu karmic main
[18:53] <billybigrigger> is all i can give you from my sources.list
[18:54] <billybigrigger> you'll still need the key
[18:54] <bjsnider> billybigrigger, you're wired? take deep breaths until you calm down
[18:54] <billybigrigger> hehe
[18:54] <diverse_izzue1> billybigrigger: thx
[18:54] <billybigrigger> too much coffeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!
[18:55] <cdE|Woozy> diverse_izzue1, bug #408773 perhaps?
[18:55] <billybigrigger> diverse_izzue1, https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/ppa
[18:55] <billybigrigger> you'll find the key there
[18:56] <billybigrigger> hmmm
[18:56] <billybigrigger> that's not it actually
[18:56] <billybigrigger> that shows 0.7.1 git
[18:57] <diverse_izzue1> cdE|Woozy: thanks, that might be it. ill try disabling apparmor and see if NM works again
[18:57] <billybigrigger> network-manager:
[18:57] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 0.8~a~git.20090702t164632.9c8e600-0ubuntu1~nmt1
[18:57] <billybigrigger> haha no idea where i got that from now
[18:57] <billybigrigger> ppa's are a bastard when you don't # comment your sources.list well enough
[18:57] <billybigrigger> :)
[18:59] <billybigrigger> ahh that is the correct repo, grab the key from that PPA and make sure your loading from deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/trunk/ubuntu karmic main
[18:59] <billybigrigger> not ~/network-manager/PPA/......
[19:00] <billybigrigger> will get you 0.8 git
[19:00] <diverse_izzue1> billybigrigger: https://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk
[19:00] <billybigrigger> yes sir
[19:00] <diverse_izzue1> thanks guys. im gonna boot into my broken karmic now and see whether the apparmor trick helps. otherwise ill be back, whining
[19:08] <billybigrigger> Twigathy, ping
[19:14] <billybigrigger> any raid gurus alive?
[19:14] <billybigrigger> i've got some major breakage here
[19:14] <billybigrigger> somewhere along the lines when trying to stop/remove a raid1 ext3 array, and create a new raid0 ext4 array, something got messed up, or i forgot a step somewhere
[19:15] <billybigrigger> now i've got 2 disks, that even gparted won't partition, even though nothing is in use, and the 2 disks are unallocated free space (according to gparted)
[19:19] <billybigrigger> billybigrigger@cabo:/etc/grub.d$ sudo mkfs.ext4 /dev/sda1
[19:19] <billybigrigger> mke2fs 1.41.8 (11-July-2009)
[19:19] <billybigrigger> /dev/sda1 is apparently in use by the system; will not make a filesystem here!.
[19:20] <billybigrigger> anyone aware of how to find out what is tying up my disk?
[19:25] <diverse_izzue> so, billybigrigger and cdE|Woozy, it was the apparmor thing. back in my installation .thanks
[19:25] <billybigrigger> roger
[19:26] <diverse_izzue> billybigrigger, what's new in the 0.8 version of networkmanager you're using? any reason why i'd want it? *g
[19:26] <billybigrigger> nope, no clue, i was having problems back in A1 with wired connection not connecting properly, and not connecting on startup
[19:26] <billybigrigger> 0.8 works
[19:26] <billybigrigger> so i use it :P
[19:27] <diverse_izzue> ok, for today i had breakage enough. i might try it out on another day *g
[19:28] <diverse_izzue> don't know if they plan to ship 0.8 in karmic?
[19:28] <billybigrigger> dunno
[19:32] <sash_> good evening. what about the actual karmic-release? is it stable enough to be used on a home-pc without being afraid of any data loss? of course, i would back up my data before, but there are some packages in karmic that i need, and i want to resetup my system the next days and with karmic, i could do this without any ppa
[19:32] <billybigrigger> what do you use it for?
[19:35] <sash_> i would use it instead of jaunty, if possible
[19:37] <billybigrigger> for what
[19:37] <billybigrigger> what do you do daily?
[19:37] <billybigrigger> if you backup your data often you should be fine, i don't worry about backups, and i've been using it since alpha1
[19:37] <billybigrigger> not saying NOTHING bad will happen, or won't happen
[19:38] <sash_> surfing, coding, chatting, listening to music. just have a netbook at the moment
[19:38]  * Pici points at the channel's topic
[19:38] <billybigrigger> but from what i've seen everyone who's trying it is happy
[19:39] <sash_> are there any special applications that could make problems?
[19:39] <billybigrigger> its an alpha, i would expect breakage
[19:40] <sash_> of course... i knew, that you just cant say anything else. i wouldnt do this, too ;)
[19:41] <legend2440> is converting ext3 to ext4 just as good as a clean install and choosing ext4?
[19:41] <sash_> no
[19:41] <billybigrigger> legend2440, no
[19:41] <billybigrigger> if you have the option, clean install with ext4 is the way to go
[19:41] <legend2440> billybigrigger: ok thanks
[19:41] <diverse_izzue> sash_, it has been fairly stable for me. sound is a mess, but other than that it runs quite stably
[19:43] <sash_> ok, 3 more questions. is grub 2 implemented in the alpha? is it possible to change from alpha to beta to final without reinstallation? can i still use ext3? is there a mini-image of it available or do they just exist for final versions?
[19:43] <sash_> i think, i got some more, when i think about it ;)
[19:44] <billybigrigger> grub2 is default on new installs
[19:44] <billybigrigger> you can update through the whole process...and yes you can still use ext3
[19:46] <legend2440> if i clean install with ext4 i won't be able to use partimage anymore forbackups as it doesnt support ext4. is dd a good option? has anyone tried fsarchiver?
[19:46] <floating> despite all the warnings of being unstable, the only things that crash on me on this alpha3, are something that i don't even notice been using
[19:47] <sash_> ok, 2 more i think: diverse_izzue : what sound issues are you talking about? and: what about the intel-chipset-problems in karmic?
[19:47] <iPoRn> is there anyone else with a problem on the gnome-setting-daemon ?
[19:47] <floating> for my intel chipset, the alpha3 is a salvation
[19:48] <diverse_izzue> sash_, devices are suddently muted or volume levels adjusted without you wanting that. stuff like that.
[19:48] <diverse_izzue> sash_, i just saw that a brand new pulseaudio release is in the pipeline though, maybe that improves things
[19:49] <diverse_izzue> sash_, a recent article on phoronix claims that intel graphics on karmic still need improvement
[19:49] <sash_> diverse_izzue:  i got problems with pulseaudio since 7.10, so i will just  uninstall that [imho] crap
[19:50] <legend2440> sorry for all the questions but is ext4 the default with karmic? or do i have to choose it and do manual partitioning?
[19:50] <diverse_izzue> sash_, i'm sold to the concept of a sound server. but i also have to admit that i'm getting minimally impatient. it has been a long time coming...
[19:50] <floating> i read a phoronix article about intel graphics.. that article was however from end of may or early june, which is not the case anymore
[19:50] <sash_> legend2440:  the channel  exists for asking^^
[19:50] <floating> perhaps you refer to that article
[19:50] <diverse_izzue> floating, it's a recent one
[19:51] <diverse_izzue> july 31st
[19:51] <diverse_izzue> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=intel_q309_flakes&num=1
[19:52] <floating> ok, i have to read that one, but my GE 82845 or what ever the chipset was, the intel graphics work better on my karmic alpha3 than in windows machine
[19:52] <floating> and in ubuntu904 it was unusuable
[19:53] <diverse_izzue> floating, i'm an -ati user, cannot comment
[19:53] <floating> for example the embedded flash eg youtube is not making my cpu load to 100%
[19:53] <floating> and the video is not laggy
[19:54] <floating> i think there are some other intel graphics users here, who have reported that the performance has gotten better
[19:54] <floating> but i guess it may be chipset dependent
[19:58] <floating> yeah, maybe i am just not using the graphical elements of my chipset, that would still be flaky, and it is just the flash video that is working well now
[19:58] <legend2440> is ext4 the default with karmic when doing clean install? or do i have to choose ext4 specifically and do manual partitioning?
[19:58] <floating> i guess i could run that phoronix tests and so on, but im not really into it as long as the things work i like :s
[20:01] <floating> it is default
[20:01] <legend2440> floating: ok thanks
[20:04] <billybigrigger> legend2440, ext4 is default
[20:04] <legend2440> billybigrigger: thanks
[20:05] <billybigrigger> legend2440, read the release notes please before installing
[20:05] <billybigrigger> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha3
[20:05] <legend2440> billybigrigger: ok thanks
[20:11] <legend2440> billybigrigger: that was very helpful. it says  under known issues  The GNOME login manager (gdm) does not yet have a graphical configuration tool.  so how does one choose Automatic Login if they want it in karmic?
[20:11] <SeveredCross> legend2440: You have to choose it at install-time.
[20:12] <SeveredCross> legend2440: Or edit /etc/gdm.conf or something similar later.
[20:12] <legend2440> SeveredCross: oh ok thanks
[20:14] <bjsnider> people still use ati graphics in the world?
[20:15] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, unfortunately yes
[20:15] <billybigrigger> :P
[20:16] <bjsnider> oh well, no accounting for taste
[20:20] <Shirotoko> virtual box 3, any posibilities to make it work?
[20:20] <billybigrigger> whats the error?
[20:21] <Shirotoko> like where to get the source?
[20:22] <Shirotoko> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads here it shows some svn stuff
[20:23] <Shirotoko> but i don't know how to get it
[20:24] <sash_> Shirotoko:  did you just try the deb for jaunty?
[20:24] <Shirotoko> sounds like a lot of work too
[20:24] <billybigrigger> sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-source
[20:24] <Shirotoko> sash_ : no
[20:24] <billybigrigger> ???
[20:24] <sash_> http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/3.0.2/virtualbox-3.0_3.0.2-49928_Ubuntu_jaunty_i386.deb <- i would try it
[20:25] <billybigrigger> why don't you install 3.0 from repos?
[20:25] <Shirotoko> because there's no release for karmic jet
[20:25] <billybigrigger> haha ok
[20:25] <sash_> ok, without knowing karmic and its repos, i will just shut up ;)
[20:26] <billybigrigger> virtualbox-ose:
[20:26] <billybigrigger>   Installed: 3.0.2-dfsg-1ubuntu1
[20:26] <billybigrigger>   Candidate: 3.0.2-dfsg-1ubuntu1
[20:26] <billybigrigger> it sure is in the repos
[20:27] <sash_> billybigrigger:  is the "actual" 3.0.x able to see usb-devices also in the open-source-version?
[20:27] <Shirotoko>  "virtualbox-ose" it in the repos
[20:27] <billybigrigger> ose doesn't support usb
[20:27] <Shirotoko> but is not the same thing i think
[20:28] <billybigrigger> its the same thing
[20:28] <billybigrigger> http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions
[20:28] <billybigrigger> The VirtualBox Open Source Edition (OSE) is the one that has been released under the GPL and comes with complete source code. It is functionally equivalent to the full VirtualBox package, except for a few features that primarily target enterprise customers. This gives us a chance to generate revenue to fund further development of VirtualBox.
[20:29] <Shirotoko> oh, :) thanks for the headsup
[20:30] <sash_> billybigrigger:  ehm... does this mean, usb will never be in the ose-version, because the closed-source shall allways be better
[20:30] <sash_> ?
[20:30] <bjsnider> i thought usb access was only in the closed version
[20:31] <Shirotoko> well jaunty package stucks in the creation of the kernel module
[20:31] <Shirotoko> oh wait..
[20:31] <Shirotoko> here we go..
[20:32] <Shirotoko> and... crashed
[20:33] <sash_> Shirotoko:  happens
[20:33] <Shirotoko> rebooting to try the ose, sash_ thx anyway
[20:37] <Shirotoko> sash_: it worked
[20:38] <Shirotoko> sash_: after loading the module worked ok, thx
[20:38] <sash_> the closed-version for jaunty?
[20:38] <Shirotoko> yes
[20:39] <sash_> ok, nice
[20:41] <mostafa> hello all how can i upgrade my kde to kde 4.3?
[20:50] <sash_> do i just need this file to install a mini-karmic? http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ubuntu-installer/i386/linux
[20:54] <Cuddles> Does readahead keep any kind of logs anywhere? When profiling it's just writing an empty /etc/readahead/boot and /etc/readahead/desktop.
[21:09] <BUGabundo> olá
[21:09] <yofel> hi BUGabundo
[21:25] <Severian> During the time I was testing Alpha 2, there was never a day when upgrades were available.  So far, Alpha 3 is the same.  I never had that problem with earlier releases.  Is there some fundmental reason for this?
[21:28] <BUGabundo> Severian: are you running updatemanager?
[21:28] <BUGabundo> update-notifier has been turned of on jaunty !!!!
[21:28] <BUGabundo> so u need to check manually
[21:28] <BUGabundo> or it only do it weekly
[21:29] <BUGabundo> Severian: $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[21:29] <Severian> BUGabundo, I try both update manager and synaptic.  I noticed update notifier was off and that was a relief.  But, I did check manually.  Every time I check, I get a message that only a partial upgrade is available.
[21:30] <Severian> I have had artial upgrades break my system and to confirm the problem, I asked here and receive advice to never do them.
[21:31] <arand> Severian: yea, that's been the case for ages now...
[21:31] <Severian> artial -> partial
[21:31] <BUGabundo> avoid doing partial
[21:31] <BUGabundo> that's why I now run aptitude
[21:31] <BUGabundo> safe-upgrade does wonders
[21:32] <Severian> It is a test system anyway, so I'll try it.
[21:32] <arand> BUGabundo: well, in theory partial does the same as dist-upgrade, right?
[21:35] <scizzo-> arand: no
[21:35] <scizzo-> arand: not really
[21:35] <scizzo-> arand: it simply means missing deps or the like
[21:36] <arand> scizzo-: yes, but won't sudo apt-get dist-upgrade do what partial does?
[21:37] <BUGabundo> hey dtchen
[21:37] <BUGabundo> welcome back
[21:37]  * BUGabundo wonders if this is simply a reconnect
[21:38] <dtchen> i'm present
[21:38] <BUGabundo> cwillu: ping
[21:38] <BUGabundo> cwillu: can you vouch for Sarvatt ?
[21:39] <BUGabundo> then welcome dtchen
[21:39] <BUGabundo> dtchen: how's the traveling ?
[21:39] <dtchen> tiring
[21:40] <bobesponja> my X11 keeps flickering when I'm on 2.6.31-3 or higher, it's fine with 2.6.31-2, I have an intel card, is there a work around?
[21:40] <BUGabundo> I bet
[21:43] <Severian> safe upgrade seems to have the same problem as a partial upgrade.  Partial upgrades removed packages that were important to the system.  sptitude safe-upgrade is also going to remove a library and I am hesitant to proceed.
[21:44] <BUGabundo> Severian: what is it statingto remove it?
[21:44] <BUGabundo> is it too high version?
[21:45] <Severian> smartdimmer is going to be removed.  I was just starting to lookup what it is.
[21:46] <BUGabundo> AFAIK you don't need it
[21:46] <BUGabundo> its now done on udev
[21:48] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, any idea if there is any other packages offer brightness notification, the one I have now is really annoying. It is not the osd one
[21:48] <BUGabundo> congrats Sarvatt on your Ubuntu Membership! you deserved it!
[21:48] <BUGabundo> and that's another short but intense Membership eheh
[21:48] <BUGabundo> its like the 4th this cycle!
[21:49] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: no idea
[21:53] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: http://identi.ca/notice/7562482
[21:54]  * BUGabundo borrows cwillu stick and pokes Sarvatt
[21:55] <BUGabundo> humm guess he is too happy celebrating :)
[21:55] <Lademord> Hey, I can't shut down directly from GNOME anymore in karmic. Only log out or switch user. Is anyone else experiencing this?
[21:56] <hggdh> Lademord, yes, FUSA is still disabled on GDM
[21:57] <QPrime> Lademord: System->Shutdown?
[21:57] <BUGabundo> Lademord: press the power button
[21:57] <BUGabundo> WFM
[21:57] <BUGabundo> QPrime: there's nothing like that there
[21:57] <Lademord> QPrime: Hey cool, I didn't see that
[21:57] <Lademord> BUGabundo, yes there is
[21:58] <QPrime> BUGabundo: running Karmic and I have it.
[21:58] <BUGabundo> no there isn't
[21:58] <BUGabundo> thers no shutdown option on my System menu
[21:58] <QPrime> BUGabundo: errr... ok.  I'll ignore the big menu option that says it then.
[21:58] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:58] <Lademord> me too
[21:58] <BUGabundo> you better
[21:58] <BUGabundo> don't make me pick up my stick again
[21:59] <BUGabundo> I just see it, when I press Power
[21:59] <Severian> I have a shutdown option on karmic.  Maybe it will go away after the update.
[21:59]  * QPrime pokes the menu option with a stick... up still there.
[21:59] <QPrime> *yup
[22:01] <QPrime> Lademord: alphas usually have gnome default menu entries, should revert back to 'normal' as the release progresses.
[22:02] <Lademord> Ah, okay
[22:06] <zleap> hi
[22:07] <zleap> bucky
[22:07] <BUGabundo> ?
[22:07] <zleap> bucky asked me to join this channel
[22:07]  * zleap is downloading karmic
[22:08] <BUGabundo> ok zleap
[22:08] <BUGabundo> daily?
[22:08] <BUGabundo> or alpha?
[22:08] <zleap> alpha 3
[22:09] <BUGabundo> don't
[22:09] <BUGabundo> get the daily
[22:09] <BUGabundo> !daily
[22:09] <zleap> ok
[22:09] <BUGabundo> daily-live zleap
[22:10] <zleap> ok thanks
[22:10] <zleap> bbr
[22:10] <zleap> brb
[22:13] <zleap> ok just changed my download script to download the daily live image
[22:13] <Lademord> BUGabundo, aren't the dailies an even bigger risk of destroying your system?
[22:14] <BUGabundo> no more then milestones
[22:14] <BUGabundo> he should get what ever WE are already running
[22:14] <zleap> BUGabundo, is there a chance of getting http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/ to point to the download site for daily live
[22:14] <zleap> it may help people
[22:14] <BUGabundo> as long as they/you end up in here its all fine :)
[22:14] <Shirotoko> will be a way to update from aphla 3 to alpha 4 for instance?.. i'm new in this alpha thing
[22:18] <Lademord> BUGabundo, then what IS the point of milestones?
[22:19] <zleap> my system just logged me out
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Lademord: large set of tests and to fit on CD
[22:20] <bjsnider> but there's a daily-livecd
[22:20] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: that's what I said
[22:20] <BUGabundo> Shirotoko: ?
[22:21] <bjsnider> i thought you were talking about milestones
[22:21] <Shirotoko> BUGabundo: my question is, how do you update from an alpha 3 release to an alpha 4 without the need of reinstall
[22:22] <arand> Shirotoko: the system will update as it goes along, and if you update, you will have the next version whenever they decide to call the current version the next alpha.
[22:22]  * arand thinks he made no sense there
[22:22] <yofel> hm... wasn't there a factoid for that?
[22:23] <yofel> !beta
[22:23]  * arand is pwned by ubottu
[22:23] <bjsnider> i doubt the usefulness of alpha/beta releases given the presence of hte daily-live cd
[22:23] <yofel> ^^
[22:23] <yofel> bjsnider: It's to get the repos a moment to come down
[22:24] <bjsnider> oh come on
[22:24] <yofel> e.g: you shouldn't have broken deps, the cd image should be <700MB etc...
[22:24] <BUGabundo> Shirotoko: running any update at any point in time, gives you current settings
[22:24] <arand> I guess the milestone isos is better testing when it comes to the installer & booting them, ?
[22:24] <bjsnider> i doubt there are many broken deps on a livecd
[22:25] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: its to get broader testing by devs
[22:25] <BUGabundo> and to force SIZE down
[22:25] <BUGabundo> also to have HARD time slots to target work
[22:25] <BUGabundo> arand: that too
[22:25] <bjsnider> try coming in here 3 days after an alpha release when people are installing what i now old stuff and complaining about bugs that have been fixed already
[22:25] <BUGabundo> usually milestones are tested if they install
[22:25] <bjsnider> which they'd have known if they'd installed the daily-livecd
[22:26] <BUGabundo> while dailys are left for testers to figure it out and report regressions
[22:26] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: and we ask them if they have all the updates
[22:26] <BUGabundo> are you new in this?
[22:26] <Shirotoko> BUGabundo: they're like a backup you say?
[22:26] <BUGabundo> I've been doing +1 support since 7.04
[22:27] <BUGabundo> Shirotoko: no
[22:27] <BUGabundo> they are package udpates
[22:28] <gnu-dio> I've been doing ubuntu since 6.06 and linux since when slackware was the only option. But this is my fist time playing with ubuntu+1 alpha stuff
[22:29] <Shirotoko> ah, so in conclusion millestones are so much like dailys...
[22:29]  * yofel is on +1 since intrepid beta 
[22:29] <BUGabundo> gnu-dio: and still your nick doesn't say anything to me :) welcome to +1
[22:30] <gnu-dio> hehe
[22:30] <connex> what about flash?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> oh I miss read gnu-dio eheh
[22:30] <lupine_85> anyone here managed to get LTSP working in karmic?
[22:30] <BUGabundo> connex: don't start that
[22:30] <connex> won't
[22:30] <BUGabundo> Shirotoko: yes
[22:30] <lupine_85> I can get X running on the client (manually), but not karmic
[22:30] <lupine_85> erm, ldm
[22:30] <BUGabundo> Shirotoko: they *are* dailes!
[22:30] <Shirotoko> just, to give the repos a break.. i thought they where sort of 'stables' releases
[22:31] <yofel> Shirotoko: well, there is a *soft* freeze before them to make sure there aren't any major regressions
[22:31] <BUGabundo> Shirotoko: there is no such thing on a Devel
[22:31] <bjsnider> they're a complete waste of time
[22:31] <yofel> like: how good would it have been if todays apparomor breakage would have made it into the alpha4 live disk?
[22:32] <yofel> s/apparomor/apparmor/
[22:32] <gnu-dio> it would have resulted is a fairly quick release of alpha5 I bet
[22:32] <Severian> After my update, I still have a shutdown menu option on my karmic test system.
[22:33] <yofel> gnu-dio: the release times are fixed, so thats impossible
[22:33] <BUGabundo> ahhh so updates changed the shutdown Severian?
[22:33] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:33] <yofel> gnu-dio: see the release schedule
[22:33] <gnu-dio> heh. shows what I know about the ubuntu dev process ;)
[22:33] <BUGabundo> gnu-dio: Shirotoko you guys should be ready for breakage, and data loss
[22:33] <BUGabundo> please keep backups and a livecd/usb at hand
[22:34] <Severian> BUGabundo, They did not change anything for me.  BUt, people here were saying they did not have that option.
[22:34] <BUGabundo> I don't
[22:34] <BUGabundo> only logout
[22:34] <yofel> hm, I still have it here
[22:35] <Shirotoko> BUGabundo : not a problem, is just that i was only interesed on millestones because i thougth they where the only releases avaliable
[22:35] <BUGabundo> nope
[22:35] <gnu-dio> I have a full working install of 9.04,  mandriva spring 2008, and upup 476. If this karmic breaks I'm not worried... ;)
[22:35] <Shirotoko> BUGabundo : and they where unable to update via dist-upgrade
[22:36] <bjsnider> hows mandriva work?
[22:36] <gnu-dio> It's a very different line. I like it as a leftover from so many years running redhat stuff, but overall I like ubuntu/debina better
[22:37] <BUGabundo> Shirotoko: avoid dist-upgrade. it tends to force package with incomplete depencies
[22:37] <BUGabundo> gnu-dio:  Shirotoko : use either update-manager (without choosing partial updates) or $ sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[22:37] <bjsnider> ouch. no love for mandriva
[22:38] <gnu-dio> I have some love for it, but more as a nostalgia thing ;)
[22:39] <bjsnider> remember when it was the #1 distro?
[22:39] <gnu-dio> yup
[22:39] <zleap> if I am running wget ina  console terminal window and my system logs out,  is the download still running, and if so when i log back in, what do i need to type to see the processs running on the terminal window
[22:39] <gnu-dio> and I used it all the time than as my #1
[22:39] <bobesponja> my X11 keeps flickering when I'm on 2.6.31-3 or higher, it's fine with 2.6.31-2, I have an intel card, is there a work around?
[22:39] <gnu-dio> but debian/ubuntu took over for a reason. apt>rpm
[22:39] <bjsnider> hahaahaa
[22:40] <bobesponja> is it because of kernel mod setting?
[22:40] <BUGabundo> gnu-dio: bjsnider: OT
[22:40] <gnu-dio> sorry, I'll quit
[22:40] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: wake up dude!!!!
[22:40] <bjsnider> overtime?
[22:41] <gnu-dio> off-topic
[22:41] <BUGabundo> pff
[22:41] <BUGabundo> hey dupondje
[22:41] <guntbert> zleap: you must either start wget under nohup (nohup wget ....) or use screen
[22:42] <yofel> bjsnider: before I forget: although nvidia 185 is broken on my quadro nvs 190 works fine so far
[22:42] <dupondje> hii BUGabundo  :)
[22:42] <bjsnider> cool
[22:42] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, sorry, it was "The Horseman on the roof"
[22:42] <zleap> ok
[22:42] <dupondje> PulseAudio seems to be improved :D
[22:42] <dupondje> yes we like !
[22:42] <bjsnider> yofel, 190.18.03?
[22:42] <Sarvatt> hmm, i cant tether anymore in karmic, odd
[22:42] <BUGabundo> aboSamoor: reply to dtchen. he is waiting
[22:42] <zleap> so when it logged out, it would have killed the process
[22:42] <yofel> bjsnider: yes
[22:42] <aboSamoor> BUGabundo, already replied
[22:43] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, is that the leaked 190 you talk of? or was it actually released?
[22:43] <guntbert> whats the sensible way to report a bug in the installation process (time settings) ?
[22:43] <bjsnider> no, this is a new version
[22:43] <bjsnider> this time nobody broke an NDA
[22:43] <SeveredCross> guntbert: File against ubiquity.
[22:43] <guntbert> SeveredCross: ok, thx
[22:44] <billybigrigger> bjsnider, in repos yeT?
[22:44] <bjsnider> yes
[22:44] <BUGabundo> hey billybigrigger
[22:44] <bjsnider> sent it in last night
[22:44] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, howdy
[22:44] <dupondje> can somebody take a look @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dutch/+bug/407951
[22:44] <dupondje> need to get synced :)
[22:44] <bjsnider> it has opengl 3.2
[22:45] <BUGabundo> who are we missing tonigh?
[22:45] <BUGabundo> there some one I know isn't here. and I can't recall his nick
[22:45] <BUGabundo> :S
[22:45] <zleap> ok so according to ps -au i only have 1 instance of wget running
[22:45]  * BUGabundo wonders why I use both Shifts to write that smile 
[22:45] <yofel> BUGabundo: Sarvatt BluesKaj cwillu ?
[22:45] <bjsnider> senator dole is still here
[22:46] <BUGabundo> yofel: no of those
[22:46] <yofel> DanaG ?
[22:46] <BUGabundo> yofel: did you hear/read? Sarvatt is now a Ubuntu Member
[22:46] <Sarvatt> whats wrong yofel?
[22:46] <yofel> not yet :)
[22:46] <BUGabundo> well not danag, but yeah he is missing
[22:46] <yofel> Sarvatt: congrats
[22:46] <BUGabundo> ohh now he replies LOLOL
[22:46] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: celebrating hard??? LOL
[22:46] <Sarvatt> yah i'm at a stop light actually LOL
[22:46] <billybigrigger> everyone get their party hats on!
[22:47]  * billybigrigger throws Sarvatt a party
[22:47] <yofel> Sarvatt: didn't you have some usb -71 errors too?
[22:48] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: ahaahahahahahahahaahahah
[22:49] <yofel> somebody mentioned bug 387161 today. That's at least what I have here.
[22:50] <BUGabundo> hey
[22:50] <BUGabundo> I get that
[22:50] <BUGabundo> though it was a fauly disk
[22:50] <BUGabundo> e-sata too
[22:52] <Sarvatt> yeah I was having those problems, but everythings fixed in 2.6.31-rc5 for me even though I do get the errors in dmesg when i close the laptop lid
[22:52] <Shirotoko> here's the fix for that
[22:52] <Shirotoko> apt-get install --reinstall devicekit-disks
[22:52] <Shirotoko> mv /lib/udev/rules.d/95-devkit-disks.rules{,.disabled}
[22:53] <BUGabundo> Shirotoko: that's a bit dramatic :p
[22:54] <Sarvatt> probably be better to just disable the smart calls in that rules file instead of disabling devicekit-disks entirely?
[22:55] <BUGabundo> have a regresion to file on Firefox, upstream, and I so don't fill like it
[22:55] <BUGabundo> anyone wants to do it for me?
[22:55] <Sarvatt> hmm http://cgit.freedesktop.org/DeviceKit/DeviceKit-disks/commit/?id=f7e0e966c86197c7734b05dbdfe2a0386e41b658
[22:55]  * BUGabundo sits in his laziness
[22:56] <Sarvatt> just a change in the rules file, would be worth trying that out
[23:00] <BUGabundo> no one? guess I'll have to do it myself!
[23:00]  * BUGabundo starts to bysec FF last 3 dailies
[23:13] <bjsnider> you mean there's a ff regression in the karmic package or in ff 3.5 at large?
[23:13] <BUGabundo> FYI https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=508387
[23:13] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: FF 3.6
[23:14] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I know you are new around here, but so you know I don't run _stable_ stuff
[23:14] <BUGabundo> cutting edge or the hiway :)
[23:14] <bjsnider> oh, i c
[23:14] <BUGabundo> some one has to test this stuff
[23:14] <BUGabundo> or else nothing ever gets done
[23:15] <BUGabundo> the same applies to how I see _we_ +1s run this joint
[23:15] <BUGabundo> so that in 6 months _users_ / human beings can have a stable(r) system
[23:15] <bjsnider> i don't use the word _hero_ very often...
[23:16] <bjsnider> but you are the greatest hero in american history.
[23:16] <BUGabundo> err
[23:16]  * BUGabundo loves the irony
[23:16] <BUGabundo> it seems you didn't even bother to see my wiki page :(
[23:17] <BUGabundo> maybe I should put that on my whois :)
[23:17] <bjsnider> perhaps
[23:17] <BUGabundo> done
[23:17] <BUGabundo> brb
[23:18] <BUGabundo> back
[23:19] <lupine_85> aha
[23:19] <BUGabundo> humm whois is not updated
[23:19] <lupine_85> There's a bug in one of the LTSP scripts
[23:19]  * BUGabundo gets his hammer
[23:19] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, clearly, violence is the answer
[23:19] <BUGabundo> doh wrong place
[23:19]  * BUGabundo gets his hammer
[23:19] <lupine_85> specifically /usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/ldm - it uses mkemp where it should (I think) use touch
[23:19] <bjsnider> they have left you no choice
[23:19] <BUGabundo> brb again
[23:20] <lupine_85> (for creating the Xauthority file)
[23:20] <BUGabundo> back
[23:20] <BUGabundo> hey hggdh
[23:20] <BUGabundo> ahh whois fixed
[23:20] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: feel free to try
[23:21] <hggdh> hey BUGabundo, I am back ;-)
[23:21] <bjsnider> i can't copy the url
[23:21] <BUGabundo> yeah I know :)
[23:21] <bjsnider> it's an outrage
[23:21] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: LAZY
[23:21] <BUGabundo> you are worse them me
[23:21]  * BUGabundo wonders if bjsnider even has a wiki pate
[23:21] <BUGabundo> *page
[23:22] <bjsnider> Fernando Pereira
[23:23] <BUGabundo> don't wear it too much
[23:23] <BUGabundo> I may need it to claim my Android
[23:23] <bjsnider> doesn't sound like an american name
[23:23]  * BUGabundo bling bling bling. and the winner is : bjsnider since brain cell !!!
[23:24] <BUGabundo> *single
[23:24] <bjsnider> us americans only understand american things
[23:24] <bjsnider> anything outside america's borders doesn't exist
[23:24] <BUGabundo> the world is not only USA
[23:24] <bjsnider> and should be destroyed immediately
[23:24] <bjsnider> it is to americans
[23:25] <bjsnider> actually i'm only making fun. i'm canadian
[23:25]  * BUGabundo raises state to OPs
[23:25] <BUGabundo> DOH
[23:26] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, stop it you're giving us a canucks a bad rep :)
[23:27] <bjsnider> yes but the pastime of choice for canadians is making fun of americans
[23:27] <BluesKaj> i leave that to Rick Mercer, he's merciless :)
[23:27] <bjsnider> yeah, that's a good show
[23:28]  * BUGabundo is happier now that mantainer has been emailed
[23:28] <BUGabundo> hey BluesKaj
[23:29] <bjsnider> who builds firefox for ubuntu?
[23:29] <BluesKaj> hi BUGabundo
[23:29] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: ubuntu-mozillateam
[23:29] <BUGabundo> rather Pacakges it
[23:30] <BluesKaj> I'm very disappointed in the Latest FFs including 3.0
[23:30] <bjsnider> no reason to use 3.0 anymore
[23:30] <BUGabundo> I just use 3.6 and chromium
[23:31] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, what is an "Ubuntu Member"?
[23:31]  * BUGabundo builds webcam driver yet again.... darn new kernels!
[23:31] <BUGabundo> at least my 3G dongle works AGAIN
[23:31] <bjsnider> put the driver into dkms
[23:31] <BUGabundo> now I need to losse so older kernels! that grub2 page is getting aweful big
[23:31] <BUGabundo> !membership
[23:32]  * BUGabundo slaps the bot
[23:32] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership
[23:32] <BUGabundo> maybe you should apply
[23:32] <BUGabundo> or via MOTU
[23:32] <BUGabundo> since you do work with X
[23:32] <BUGabundo> like Sarvatt
[23:32] <BUGabundo> or cwillu
[23:34] <bjsnider> "visible, significant activity "
[23:34] <bjsnider> not clear what exactly that means
[23:34] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:34] <BUGabundo> that's the beauty of this
[23:34] <BUGabundo> its subjectiv
[23:35] <BUGabundo> I did 3 years of works as a FLOSS and Ubuntu advocate
[23:35] <BUGabundo> *before* applying
[23:35] <stas> hi, anybody upgraded jaunty server to karmic?
[23:35] <BUGabundo> pleanty of user support, both here, ml, loco, in person
[23:35] <BUGabundo> and lots of bug triage
[23:35] <BUGabundo> stas: not yet
[23:35] <bjsnider> did you not get accepted?
[23:36] <BUGabundo> I did
[23:36] <hggdh> bjsnider, usually it means something like (a) you are an active developer (b) you are very active in a Loco (c) you are active in IRC (+1, or -bugs)
[23:36] <BUGabundo> hence my email, irc cloak, etc
[23:36] <stas> when I log in through ssh to the box , ctrl +c is not working and it hangs my shell on logout
[23:36] <BUGabundo> hggdh: that's several ways, among otheres
[23:36] <stas> point me where should I look
[23:36] <BUGabundo> stas: some one else reported that last week
[23:36] <hggdh> yes, indeed. Translation work, advocacy, etc
[23:36] <BUGabundo> or was it you ?
[23:37] <bjsnider> what is loco?
[23:37] <BUGabundo> hggdh: correct
[23:37] <BUGabundo> !LoCo
[23:37] <stas> BUGabundo: no, not me
[23:37] <BUGabundo> Local Community teams
[23:37] <stas> i upgraded a testing box to karmic today
[23:37] <BUGabundo> darn bot is slower them me
[23:37] <BUGabundo> stas: then some one else did :D
[23:37] <stas> BUGabundo: did he solve the problem?
[23:37] <hggdh> stas, I am not aware of it, might be good to check for an open bug (and open one if none found)
[23:38] <stas> hggdh: fsck, again :)
[23:38] <hggdh> :-)
[23:39] <stas> seems to be already a bug
[23:39] <stas> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/407428
[23:39] <BUGabundo> stas: no idea who he was. you have to ask some with better memory them me, or better logs :D
[23:40] <BUGabundo> anyone running FF3.6?
[23:40] <hggdh> nope. Last time I checked, greasemonkey was not yet even ported to 3.5...
[23:41] <BUGabundo> ohh that's another bug
[23:41] <BUGabundo> it crashs FF
[23:41] <BUGabundo> I've reported it upstream too
[23:41]  * BUGabundo nowadays I seem to report more upstream them to LP :(
[23:43] <BUGabundo> not that reporting upstream is bad
[23:43] <BUGabundo> it just requires me to have an extra 12 BTS accounts
[23:43]  * BUGabundo wish for OpenID generalization
[23:46] <bjsnider> i thought openid is generalized. i thought that was the whole freaking point of it. that it followed you around everywhere
[23:47] <lupine_85> bug 409092
[23:47] <lupine_85> :)
[23:47] <lupine_85> bedtimez