[09:24] richardcavell: and? that's why it's development release - everything changes all the timme [09:24] kklimonda: they only have 10 weeks to get every app and every package to work nicely together [09:25] not every - just a subset of them [09:36] richardcavell: and that is why you are testing development releases, to help in the process [09:48] FWIW , karmic is so much better than Jaunty for me... [09:50] +1 ;) [09:50] although, is it just me or is the LTSP not "finished" yet? [09:50] (which is, you know, reasonable) === yofel_ is now known as yofel === yacc__ is now known as yacc [10:38] Hi, I need help with 173 nvidia drives. [10:42] hi connex, what's broken? [10:44] There is no suitable kernel module for nvidia [10:46] ok, from the beginning. You installed the 173 driver, restarted, and X failed to load and the log says the module can't get loaded? [10:46] yes [10:46] connex: then try to reinstall the driver and check if you get any dkms errors [10:47] i did, no errors [10:47] you got the kernel headers installed? [10:47] how do i check? [10:48] type in a terminal: 'apt-cache policy linux-headers-$(uname -r)' [10:48] and check if 'installed' tells you the version and not (none) [10:49] it tells the version [10:50] hm, does 'sudo modprobe nvidia' give you an error? [10:50] it says not found, i'll apt-get intall nvidia-glx-173 and try right? [10:51] well, you should have that installed already [10:51] the only warning i get during intall is [10:52] obsolete option --print-installation-architecture, please use --print-architecture instead [10:53] ah, I've got that too, ignore it [10:53] and i have a module called nvidiafb [10:53] which loads i guess [10:53] connex: just to make sure again, you _do_ have nvidia-glx-173 installed [10:53] yes [10:53] connex: the nvidiafb module *should* be blacklisted [10:54] you can't use it with the glx driver [10:54] you can check that in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.conf [10:55] ok, there is no nvidia driver [10:55] only nvidia-agp and nvidiafb [10:56] in the blacklist file yes, that's how it should be [10:56] ok then [10:56] do you have a folder in /usr/src called nvidia-173.14.16 ? [10:57] yes [10:57] Howdy. Bug 404451 says jfs is no longer built into the kernel. I believe I found another problem that could have been caused by this. Is there a reason jfs was moved out of the kernel? [10:57] Launchpad bug 404451 in linux "JFS no longer built into the default kernel" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404451 [10:57] good, you are running the kernel that you want to use the driver on? [10:57] it's the only one i have so i guess yes [10:58] good, then run the following commands please: [10:58] 'sudo dkms remove -k $(uname -r) -m nvidia -v 173.14.16' [10:59] 'sudo dkms build -k $(uname -r) -m nvidia -v 173.14.16' [10:59] 'sudo dkms install -k $(uname -r) -m nvidia -v 173.14.16' [10:59] any errors? [11:00] on the remove it says there is no instance of nvidia 173.14.16 [11:00] that's ok, since you didn't have one [11:01] i got an error [11:02] "Error! Bad retirm status for module build on kernel 2.6.31-3-generic i686 [11:02] s/retirm/return [11:04] good, failure found, let me try here [11:05] there are a lot of c errors in the make.log [11:05] yup, build failed here too o.O [11:08] so, what are we going to do? install an older kernel? [11:09] connex: you'll have to, or wait till the new driver is available in karmic - see bug 398893 [11:09] Launchpad bug 398893 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 "nvidia drivers version bump (173.14.20)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/398893 [11:10] the build failure was aso reported as bug 397314 [11:10] Launchpad bug 397314 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 "[karmic] nvidia 173.14.16-0ubuntu1 module fails to build with 2.6.31-2-generic " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/397314 [11:10] yofel, as i recall, it happened even with older kernels [11:10] well, there was a build failure bug for 2.6.30 too [11:11] ok, which and how do i get the kernel [11:11] connex: you could try an older mainline kernel build [11:11] how [11:11] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [11:12] how do i install them? manually? [11:12] you'll need the 'hearders...i386' 'headers...all' and 'image...i386' [11:12] connex: yes [11:12] isnt' there an apt-get something for this? [11:13] connex: these builds aren't meant to be used by a wide audience so it doesn't support apt [11:14] so which one do you suggest [11:14] i found a new kernel [11:15] connex: since there was a build failure reported with 2.6.30 too, I would try 2.6.29.6 [11:16] ok so what are the steps, to this? [11:18] connex: download the files I told you (into a separate folder would be best) first [11:19] then change into that folder in a terminal and run 'sudo dpkg -i *.deb' . That will install all kernel files. [11:20] and again: only install the files for your architecture ;) [11:20] there are newer kernels then 2.6.29 like 2.6.29.6 [11:20] is there a realtime kernel patch for koalic karmac? [11:21] connex: thats why I suggested 2.6.29.6 . It contains a few bugfixes [11:29] never trust a klingon [11:29] why e4defrag is removed by default? [11:30] alteregoa: e4defrag isn't removed, it's not yet in [11:30] its in e2fsprogs or something [11:31] i download the tarball and build a deb package for myself [11:31] alteregoa: yes, it's in upstream e2fsprogs, but the ubuntu version isn't new enough [11:35] alteregoa: you can check bug 321528 if you want [11:35] Launchpad bug 321528 in e2fsprogs "ext4 defrag / defragment tool in Jaunty - include" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/321528 [11:36] yofel, can you repeat the files required? [11:36] but afaik e4defrag isn't yet in a released version of e2fsprogs, only in the development version [11:37] connex: you need linux-headers-2.6.29-02062906-generic_2.6.29-02062906_i386.deb linux-headers-2.6.29-02062906_2.6.29-02062906_all.deb and linux-image-2.6.29-02062906-generic_2.6.29-02062906_i386.deb [11:38] it would be nice to add a crond, check the fs for fragmenting, after a trigger of like 20 percent defrag it online [11:38] how can i trace the programs and libs being loaded during startup? [11:40] alteregoa: I'm not sure what you mean by trace, but if you want a graph of your boot then check out bootchart [11:40] i wanna know the loaded libaries during startup [11:41] then i compress it with upx [11:41] alteregoa: and my expirience with e4defrag (built from source) is: Although it didn' break anything and seems to work, it doesn't yet support converted ext3 filesystems [11:41] How long should I wait after asking a question before repeating it if there was no response? I am trying to decide what to do about a bug in the installer. [11:42] Severian: you could try to bug the kernel folks directly in #ubuntu-kernel [11:42] (regarding your question from an hour ago) [11:43] yofel, thanks. I'll try there. Yes, about that question. [11:50] yofel, Using the older kernel fixed my sound problem, now all i have to check is if nvidia is working. === baffle_ is now known as baffle [11:53] connex, if you are using 173.14.xx you should try nvidia.com driver supply they updated 173.14.20 fot recent kernel [11:53] how can i check my gain level ? [11:57] connex: if the audio settings don't work try pavucontrol or alsamixer === jussi01_ is now known as eviljussi01 [12:00] thanks [12:00] zniavre_, will envy get the correct drivers for me? [12:01] i do not know nothing about envy script [12:01] hn, envy should just try to install the repos drivers, so i don't think that would help [12:02] http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_173.14.20.html [12:02] and although the drivers from the nvidia site might help, they are completely unsupported here. [12:02] but they work ... [12:03] zniavre_: yes, and since apt doesn't know about them you might get a messed up system === ryanakca_ is now known as Guest23202 [12:35] so I installed karmic on my main machine, and I let it install grub. Grub didn't find and add the XP install. NP, I thought, and went to edit the grub menu.lst. Couldn't find it. appears to be a new grub I've never seen. any pointers? [12:36] !grub2 | gnu-dio [12:36] gnu-dio: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [12:36] gnu-dio: see 'dual-booting' [12:36] thanks [12:36] perfect [12:47] wow, grub2 is WAY more complex... === repete is now known as rep-eat [13:02] yofel, is grub 2 also the place I need to be looking at to understand why the new karmic kernel won't mount my main disk (uses encryption on lvm2) [13:05] kayess: might be, but I don't know much about lvm and nothing about encryption, sry [13:07] Is grub 2 before or after the kernel loads? I guess if it's before then it won't be related (the old Jaunty kernel mounts the disk and boots fine) [13:08] kayess: it's obviously before, since it's grub that loads the kernel ;) [13:09] Hmm... mobile-broadband-provider-info wants to remove libmbca0, is that okay? [13:09] yofel: that just dawned on me :) The broken laptop is still running the old grub anyway [13:10] yofel, thanks again. 100% exactly what I needed. and a whole bunch of education on grub2 on the side ;) === rep-eat is now known as repete === ryanakca is now known as Guest56094 [13:21] yofel: The instructions on that grub page you linked to. Shouldn't the sudo grub install line be "sudo grub install /dev/sda" -- assuming that was the boot disk identified in the previous step? [13:25] hi [13:25] does anyone know how to use grub2 themes? [13:26] fosco_: theming isn't yet implemented in the (ubuntu?) grub2 version afaik, but you might find something useful on the wiki page [13:26] !grub2 [13:26] GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager in Karmic. For more information on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 [13:27] ok, let's read :) [13:27] http://members.iinet.net/~herman546/p20/GRUB2%20Splashimages.html [13:27] if you start reading on yofel's you can end up at mine [13:28] I haven't tried that yet [13:33] i'm trying to use this theme, but i think jaunty's grub is not ready for that [13:33] http://grub.gibibit.com/Theme_winter_menu.jpg [13:33] that is pretty [13:35] yep [13:35] but I believe yofel, and you, are right. the version currently being used with karmic isn't ready for that [13:35] but i think it uses a mod that grub 1.96 supplied with jaunty hasn't [13:35] I'm about to try the suggestions on that link i posted [13:38] hi [13:38] something with the network manager is messed up [13:39] I'd gotten really comfy editing my menu.lst files, and now they have to go and mess with me with all these new options.... [13:39] i it doesnt resolve dhcp anymore [13:50] mine seems to be working, but other than that I'm unlikely to be any help. I just installed karmic for the first time yesterday [13:50] I just upgraded my MacBook from 2.6.31-4 to 2.6.31-5. Now my networking is completely broken (wired and wireless). I kept the old kernel and can select it in GRUB2, and it doesn't fix networking. Yet I can network fine from OS X. Any ideas? [13:51] richardcavell sounds like a similar issue to what happened to alteregoa, who was asking for help a minute ago [13:51] richardcavell: there was a network-manager update right now too, maybe that's broken? [13:51] (I haven't installed it yet) [13:51] installing all updates right now [13:51] oh good question le tme check on n-m [13:51] so if that breaks it i'll now in a minute [13:51] i doubt ill get an answer soon but asked the maintainer [13:51] my dhcp just broke [13:51] sudo dhclient returns a permission error [13:51] looks like a common problem all of a sudden [13:51] sorry guys got disconnected there. I can't network from Linux at all any more (I'm in OS X right now). After upgrading my kernel from 2.6.31-4 to 2.6.31-5, my wired and wireless networking is kaput. Any ideas? [13:51] that's 3 people with similar symptoms for the last 3 questions [13:51] yup. friend of mine also dropped out, that was on a wired connection. mine is wireless [13:51] richardcavell_: 14:43:51 < yofel> richardcavell: there was a network-manager update right now too, maybe that's broken? [13:51] is everyone's symptoms tied to updating? [13:51] richardcavell_: I'm running 31-5 with the old NM fine [13:52] fwiw my card is using the rt2500PCI driver, but I don't think it is hardware specific [13:52] yofel: what was the package name? [13:52] AlanBell: I have an atheros 9k [13:52] gnu-dio: im waiting to asac to get back to me on n-m [13:53] everyone with n-m issues is the version you are using 0.7.1.git.5.272c6a626-0ubuntu1? [13:53] richardcavell_: there were updates for network-manager and libnm-* I think [13:53] gnomefreak: is that the one that appeared in Update Manager over the last 24 hours? If so, then yes [13:53] yofel: correct [13:54] richardcavell_: there could have been 2 in last 24 hours so i need full version [13:54] >=2 [13:54] the update to libc has had a fun effect on python [13:54] gnomefreak: I'm booted into OS X right now. Do you want me to reboot into Linux? [13:54] hes not at PC atm so he cant tell me :) [13:54] on the plus side the update has fixed 3g networking with the icon225 dongle hso driver [13:54] there were two updates to libc in the last 24 hours, by the way [13:55] 1st had a problem 2nd fixed it. thats why i want to know version of n-m :) [13:55] everyone else besides richardcavell_ with n-m problems please give me broken version [13:55] gnomefreak: It's the fact it went to 2.10.1 that confused a comparison in a python library that was seeing if it had a version of at least 2.4 [13:56] penguin42: ah [13:57] i see other than flashgot im not getting anything done without asac here grrr [13:57] and PPA is busy it seems [13:57] I have another symptom, by the way. I have two wireless connections set up. First is at home to a router. Second is to my University. Because I was looking at 78 megs of updates today, I drove into Uni and sat in my car downloading (at high bandwidth). I then applied all updates and drove home. When I got home it wouldn't connect to my home router. But here's something weird - when I... [13:57] ...look in Network Connections, it says the last time it connected to my Uni was 5 days ago (which indeed it did). It doesn't seem to 'remember' that it connected about 2 hours ago. [13:57] gnomefreak: so the update I'm doing right now might skip a broken version? lucky 4 me :) [13:58] gnu-dio: i dont know i need old version + newversion [13:58] about says 0.7.1 [13:58] AlanBell: apt-cache policy network-manager [13:58] dont paste it in here use pastebin [13:58] yeah, realised when I got back you wanted that . . . brb . . . [13:59] i have a feeling there isnt one between 0.7 and 0.7-git.. [13:59] its the git info that is important [13:59] git.5.272c6a626 [14:00] that is the candidate version I'm upgrading to now [14:00] yes, it is git.5.272c6a626 [14:01] thanks [14:02] I updated about 30 minutes ago and rebooted [14:03] Is someone here working on a fix? [14:04] is there anything more we can do to diagnose what the problem is, or is it sufficiently understood? [14:23] I can upload dmesg etc. [14:23] and no to the bug its not on launchpad [14:23] Oh, gnomefreak, Tyler's message just reminded me - I use DHCP to connect to my router. It can't connect. But when I tried to give it a fixed IP it was able to at least see the router. Maybe it's a DHCP problem? [14:23] it is [14:23] TheOpenSourcerer: ubuntu-bug network-manager [14:23] should collect what it can and make a bug [14:23] Okay, can someone say that they're filing the bug? [14:23] it fails with a Open a socket for lfp: Operaton not permited [14:23] TylerRichard: try it with sudo [14:23] I cant launchpad gave me an error [14:23] I did [14:23] we are uploading trunk build tomorrow but im thinking everyone file own bugs [14:23] same error richardcavell_ [14:24] TylerRichard: are you able to connect at all? [14:24] no [14:24] So you're currently connected on a different machine or different OS? [14:24] gnomefreak: what's happening tomorrow? [14:24] richardcavell_: yes, im on a differnt comp [14:25] richardcavell_: trunk will be uploaded but hes looking at it in a few [14:25] gnomefreak: pardon me but I don't understand what you mean. Can you explain what that means, because I wish I knew [14:25] * gnomefreak filing bug [14:25] richardcavell_: trunk is latest git [14:25] * richardcavell_ congratulates gnomefreak [14:26] * gnomefreak hasnt lost connection so not sure how helpfull [14:26] so is the current Karmic network manager not from git? [14:26] richardcavell_: it is but they come out nightly/daily [14:26] so you're suggesting it might be fixed by tomorrow? [14:26] not sure what trunk has yet [14:26] richardcavell_: yes but we are looking into it [14:27] is it a socket restriction error? [14:27] I can file a bug, got mine online with 3g [14:27] AlanBell: ubuntu-bug network-manager if you will.. [14:27] popey: doing that now [14:27] cool [14:27] gnomefreak: well has anyone done some work on networking today? If not, then how is tomorrow's stuff going to be any different? [14:27] i have the necessary info off my machine [14:28] once filed someone has to change title to be correct [14:29] there was a new libnm and network-manager today [14:29] richardcavell_: see similar geentoo error http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/gentoo/hardened/173233 [14:29] richardcavell_: the upload process for Ubuntu can take more than a day once pushed [14:29] I have to go now. My son is graduating from Nursery :-) [14:30] Yes. It fixed my 3g dongle :-) [14:30] ok give me a minute here [14:30] everyone bug 408861 please update info to it [14:30] Launchpad bug 408861 in network-manager "Network-manager loses connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408861 [14:30] c u laterz [14:30] and the files i have attached you should attach [14:30] do you have the bug gnomefreak ? [14:30] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/408862 === Guest56094 is now known as ryanakca [14:30] popey: what is going on? i didnt get a watch out for this (joining) [14:30] Launchpad bug 408862 in network-manager "dhcp and networking failure in karmic" [Undecided,New] [14:30] sorry gnomefreak I got disconnected there [14:31] popey: bug 408861 [14:31] Launchpad bug 408861 in network-manager "Network-manager loses connection" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408861 === ryanakca is now known as Guest44125 [14:31] gnomefreak: I'll add to 408862 given it's from someone who actually _has_ the bug :) [14:31] popey: good idea :) [14:31] AlanBell: confirmed [14:32] AlanBell: I'm adding myself as a me-too to your bug [14:32] richardcavell: attach files dont just me too [14:32] confirmed [14:32] gnomefreak: what files? [14:32] the problems are not proven to be the same yet [14:32] richardcavell: most of https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/408862/comments/1 these [14:33] Launchpad bug 408862 in network-manager "dhcp and networking failure in karmic" [Undecided,New] [14:33] anyone has tried gnome 3.0 ? [14:33] popey: running 'apport-collect ' would have been easier ;) [14:33] but honestly any files you can. see 408861 for the files apport uploaded [14:33] yofel: and how exactly would one do that on a machine with no network? [14:33] good point [14:33] gnomefreak: I'm going to try to give myself an assigned IP from the router instead of connecting via DHCP to see if that fixes it [14:33] small question, I have just installed 9.10 via the daily build 02/08/2009. After applying upgrades (just now) and rebooting, I have lost all networking (both wired and wireless), are the bugs mentioned above related? [14:33] popey: good point -.- [14:34] sheesh [14:34] stevepearce: we know [14:34] stevepearce: add yourself to the me-too list mate [14:34] ok, thanks [14:34] stevepearce: are you on the PC with no connection? [14:34] yes [14:34] stevepearce: cool than use apport-collect 408862 [14:34] hang on [14:34] if its the broken connection PC [14:34] stevepearce: are you _in_ karmic right now? [14:35] not on this irc box, it's jaunty. The laptop I mentioned running karmic is sitting next to me [14:35] gnomefreak: how will he send it ? ;) with no connection ;p [14:35] right [14:35] again, no point asking people to do stuff when they have broken network [14:35] wakey wakey people [14:35] * penguin42 yawns [14:35] anything more useful I can do with my connected buggy box? [14:35] mac_v, that's the thing :) [14:36] mac_v: he said he was on system with the connection issue [14:36] AlanBell: you could try reverting the packages that came in most recently [14:36] .:09:34:16:. < gnomefreak > stevepearce: are you on the PC with no connection? [14:36] .:09:34:21:. < stevepearce > yes [14:36] not a clear question [14:36] gnomefreak, sorry [14:36] anyway [14:37] popey: ok, how do I revert a package? (been wondering about that for a while) [14:37] AlanBell: can you look in /var/cache/apt/archives and look at the most recent updates, probably network-manager, libnm and a couple of other bits.. [14:37] !downgrade [14:37] Attempting to downgrade to an older Ubuntu version is explicitly not supported, and may break your system. [14:37] not useful mac_v [14:38] popey: no i was searching for the link... there is a wiki how to revert a package [14:38] if you have the old package you can install it with dpkg -i, if it's still in the rpo you can do an apt-get install packagename=version I think [14:38] AlanBell: you can test by grabbing the debs from the archive and manually dpkg them in or there is a way to force it with apt [14:38] thats it [14:38] the common gotcha however is that some other package may depend on the newer other thing you installed so you often have to take a few others back as well [14:38] anyone aware of apparmor messing up with (at least) network setup? [14:39] I only have the new version in the cache [14:39] yes, so you will need to go get the older one [14:39] if you apt-cache show network-manager you can get the url from where it came [14:39] hggdh: are you sure its apparmor? [14:39] pool/main/n/network-manager/network-manager_0.7.1-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb for example on my desktop [14:39] just go to the repo http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool.... etc [14:39] Howdy folks [14:39] gnomefreak, yes. sudo service apparmor stop allowed me to connect [14:39] and look for the version of those packages thats one older than the one you have [14:40] everyone care to try that? [14:40] * popey pops upstairs to try [14:41] can anyone get to the packages.ubuntu.com server? I get a server down error? [14:41] oh, so it is already known... [14:41] that did it [14:41] hggdh: oh yeah non stop this morning [14:41] hggdh: most likely, if your issue overlaps everyone elses [14:41] fix0r3d for me [14:42] gdgd, I have eth0 networking again [14:42] thanks [14:42] (i am now talking to you from that machine) [14:42] nice one hggdh [14:42] that's proof [14:42] yeh I can't get to packages either [14:42] * gnu-dio bows to hggdh [14:42] i commented ont he bug about it [14:42] sudo service apparmor stop [14:42] hggdh: fixed mine [14:42] so AlanBell just change your bug from network-manager to apparmor [14:43] ok, now that we have a fix to try, I'm rebooting the updates. hope to be back soon ;) [14:43] * gnomefreak too be back in a few [14:45] cool. I have not yet had time to look at apparmor profiles, though [14:45] any bug opened on it? [14:45] yes [14:45] hggdh: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/408862 [14:45] Launchpad bug 408862 in network-manager "dhcp and networking failure in karmic" [Undecided,New] [14:46] TylerRichard, thank you. I will update it [14:46] I can't find profie error though in apparmor [14:46] TylerRichard, hggdh , network manager has become areal problem , hence my advice to most ppl is to install wicd [14:49] bug 408862 [14:49] Launchpad bug 408862 in network-manager "dhcp and networking failure in karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408862 [14:49] BluesKaj, although I agree in part, this issue does not seem to be n-m *only*, if at all. We will have to see the progiles [14:49] s/progiles/profiles/ === Guest44125 is now known as ryanakca [14:50] BluesKaj: its not netman its aparmor actualy dhcp would fail in wicd too [14:50] it is in apparmor now [14:50] oo look, a new apparmor package :) [14:50] ok, I installed all current updates, and rebooted fine without losing networking [14:50] gnu-dio: you probably got the new apparmor [14:50] skipping the duff one [14:50] lucky me [14:51] I did see apparmor on the list of 7 updates I did the instant before booting [14:51] TylerRichard, I saw on a latest update using aptitude that apparmor was held back [14:52] upgrading now [14:56] yay! connected on reboot [14:56] AlanBell: good stuff [14:56] kids are happy, playroom can see cbeebies website again [14:57] hggdh: can we close the bug report? [14:57] yeah, already fixed. Now we wait for the new package to hit the repos [14:57] hggdh: sweet [14:57] hggdh: that was from the repos [14:57] TylerRichard, the original report (bug 408862) has already being auto-closed as a duplciate [14:57] Launchpad bug 408862 in network-manager "dhcp and networking failure in karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408862 [14:58] AlanBell, yes, the update from early this morning had an issue. A new one is being built now [14:59] * richardcavell_ is back [14:59] I just tried to fix my networking by giving myself a static IP (manual rather than DHCP), but it made no difference === richardcavell_ is now known as richardcavell [15:00] richardcavell_, no, it will not work, since the issue was on apport [15:02] richardcavell: do sudo service apparmor stop [15:02] then sudo apt-get update [15:02] then sudo apt-get upgrade [15:02] AlanBell: Will that fix it? I'm in OS X right now [15:02] and all will be well [15:03] richardcavell: Well, you'd need to boot to Ubuntu first... [15:03] hggdh: what you said doesn't make sense [15:03] richardcavell: it works [15:03] maybe a sudo dhclient after stopping apparmor [15:03] Okay you obviously all worked out the problem while I was gone [15:03] Okay Alan, I'm placing my Karmic partition in your hands dude. Here we go. [15:04] richardcavell, I found it while still offline, when I tried to tcpdump the connection (I am at a customer, and my connection have been plagued by DHCP issues) [15:04] quick question has anyone got irc in empathy yet? [15:09] XD I'm in Karmic right now [15:10] ;) [15:10] bump: quick question has anyone got irc in empathy yet? [15:10] hggdh is dog for tracing the issue to apparmor... nobody else was looking anywhere near apparmor [15:10] lol "gof" [15:10] god [15:11] I need to take some typing practice obviously. [15:11] TylerRichard: No [15:12] TylerRichard: Let me know if you find out how to do it [15:12] Now, okay, it was apparmor. But here's the thing: I'm now running without apparmor [15:13] now update again [15:13] there is a new apparmor that appears to be working [15:13] at least it is for me [15:14] no updates here yet ,North American main server [15:14] TylerRichard: I had irc working in empathy in Jaunty, haven't tried it in Karmic yet [15:15]