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hdonhey guys. i play an FPS game online occasionally. i recently switched to Ubuntu (jaunty) and i am having a problem. it seems that the sound latency is very high. my instinct tells me to blame this on the sound mixer daemon. can anyone give me advice on:05:39
hdon1) disabling the sound mixer daemon and giving my game direct access to the audio dac05:39
hdon2) changing options for sound mixer daemon to decrease latency05:39
hdonor 3) getting the source code for the sound mixer daemon so i can see if i can improve it05:40
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ebroderI'm working on a script to install a VM (no, none of the ones that exist work for various reasons). Does anybody know how to install grub onto a block device when, e.g., /dev is laid out differently from how it will be for the guest?07:19
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alkisgasac: I tried putting https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk in my sources and I still got the same problem (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/391040).08:23
alkisgBut there's another problem now, the "[ ] Available to all users" checkbox is grayed out and I can't check it at all, even if I run nm-connection-editor with sudo.08:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 391040 in network-manager "When eth0 is unmanaged, system connections for other NICs aren't displayed nor used" [Medium,Triaged]08:23
Keybukwow09:17
Keybukthe new "Add comment" not-a-button AJAXness is confusing09:18
TheMusoc10:05
Keybuk1 program still needs to close:10:22
Keybuk(Waiting for) explorer.exe10:22
KeybukPlaying logoff sound...10:23
KeybukTo close the program that is preventing Windows from restarting,10:23
Keybukclick Cancel, and then close the program.10:23
Keybuk*seriously*10:23
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directhexKeybuk, is Windows ready for the desktop?10:38
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gnarlcjwatson, Do you know whether fb=false as a boot argument would change something within the alternate installer?10:44
cjwatsonyeah, disables its use of the framebuffer10:45
gnarlcjwatson, Ok, so that is parsed there then. So the alternative is some serial mode then?10:47
Davieytalking of which.. /me wonders of the possibility of serial support in the shipped memtest :)10:48
Davieyit's a compile option now iirc10:48
cjwatsongnarl: no, plain console10:49
cjwatsonUTF-8 doesn't work right in that case, so the language selection is cut way down10:49
smoserjames_w, i'm told you can bump import priority of a package getting pulled into bzr launchpad.... can you do that for schroot ? ie : https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/schroot10:51
cjwatsonyou get only the languages that are representable within ISO-8859-1, so basically Western European languages10:51
gnarlcjwatson, Ok. Thanks for that. Seems some ati cards do not like the fbcon... but run without10:51
sorencjwatson: It doesn't look familiar, I'm afraid. I do know, though, that putting the NC on the same box as the CC/CLC is known to be "interesting".11:17
TheMusoslangasek: like your comment re reiserfsprogs. :) For some reason, I found it somewhat amusing.11:51
slangasekit leaves so much unsaid11:52
directhexi missed a joke? :(11:59
james_wsmoser: I'm working on it, but found a bug I want to fix first, sorry11:59
smoserjames_w, no problem11:59
cjwatsonsoren: bugger. I really don't want to have to wrangle multiple machines for this test. But regardless I think it's happening even before the NC is started12:02
sorencjwatson: Did you just installe the packages or did you do any of the configuration bits?12:03
cjwatsonsoren: I think I just installed them12:04
cjwatson(it was yesterday, moved on to iscsi today so dumped some of the swap ...)12:04
cjwatsonI believe I was loosely following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Eucalyptus12:05
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TheMusoc12:30
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pittiRiddell: is this still a valid heuristics for "KDE is running"? "pgrep -x -u 1000 ksmserver"12:40
pittiRiddell: (it's currently what ubuntu-bug is testing)12:40
ojwbi'd think $UID would be better than 100012:41
pittiojwb: sure, it does that12:42
Riddellpitti: yes that should be fine12:42
pittiwell, it uses `id -u`12:42
pittiRiddell: cheers12:42
ojwbah12:42
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cjwatsonTheMuso: Constructing pulseaudio-module-rygel-media-server--dbg_0.9.16~test3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb14:05
cjwatsonTheMuso: shouldn't that "--dbg" be "-dbg"?14:05
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blackxoredhello everybody14:40
jpdsjdstrand_: I cannot get on a wireless network after the latest apparmor upgrade on Karmic: [  154.835033] type=1503 audit(1249393261.621:28): operation="capable" pid=4104 parent=3124 profile="/sbin/dhclient3" name="net_raw"14:42
directhexcan someone un-private 408499 ?14:43
Picijpds: Is there a bug logged on that? Lots of people in #ubuntu+1 are scrambling around looking for the cause of their network woes14:48
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cjwatsonPici: the kernel team's looking at it at the moment, I believe14:50
cjwatsonapw: ^-14:50
Picicjwatson: okay :)14:50
cjwatsonwhich isn't to say somebody shouldn't file a bug with details ...14:50
PiciBug 408862 was logged a little bit ago14:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 408862 in network-manager "dhcp and networking failure in karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40886214:51
jdstrandjpds: known bug, it is fixed15:08
jdstrandjpds: just do /etc/init.d/apparmor stop, get networking going, then upgrade apparmor to ubuntu915:08
apwcjwatson, the above incantation will be added to the bug shortly ...15:09
jdstrandjpds: depending on how you start networking, possibly need to also restart networkmanager15:15
jpdsjdstrand: Hmm, OK; looks like ubuntu9 isn't on the gb.archive mirror.15:23
slangasekmathiaz: ok, no, mysql-dfsg-5.1 doesn't FTBFS for me on Debian/amd6415:32
slangasekmathiaz: so I guess the symbols file is correct, even if the use of yassl is gratuitous15:33
mathiazslangasek: so does it still make sense to remove the symbols.amd64 file in Ubuntu?15:36
mathiazslangasek: or should the file just be updated?15:36
slangasekmathiaz: remove it15:36
stefanlsdmathiaz: the symbols documentation i wrote help somewhat?15:36
slangasekstefanlsd: it's a C++ library exporting lots of garbage internal symbols - documentation is not the problem here, it's finding a sane path out :-)15:37
stefanlsdslangasek: heh. sounds messy.  oki. cool :)15:38
RiddellArneGoetje: where are you?15:39
dokoLaibsch: any reason you reset the status of bug reports form triaged to invalid without checking?15:39
jdstrandjpds: it was uploaded a couple hours ago, so it needs to propagate15:39
jpdsjdstrand: Yep, thanks :)15:41
ArneGoetjeRiddell: Community room15:44
dokoLaibsch: you're undoing the work of the people who did triage the reports. this kind of "work" is no help15:44
Laibschdoko: yes.  how about "with the help of the OP I confirmed a couple of bugs where errouneously still left open" by just doing that?15:44
Laibschdoko: nonsense15:44
LaibschLook at the reply in the bug15:44
LaibschAnd tell me why you want to discuss this in public15:45
dokoLaibsch: for bug 39068 even you can check where the file is located. then just add a comment `confirmed' or something like this15:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 39068 in bash "clear_console should be moved to ncurses-bin" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/3906815:45
Laibschsorry, I did not really understand the issue in the bug15:46
LaibschI'll admit that15:46
Laibscha bug untouched for three-and-a-half years should be OK for a ping15:46
mterryw00t, upgrading-checklist is now published online: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/upgrading-checklist.txt15:46
LaibschI'm not pinging after three month like others do15:46
Laibschso, yes, doko, your tone was absolutely uncalled for15:46
dokoLaibsch: well, you'r not touching bug 1 in the same manner, do you?15:47
ubottuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)15:47
LaibschI don't even know what to answer to that15:47
Laibschapples and oranges doesn't even come close15:47
LaibschI also don't think that bug hasn't had anybody make an addition for 3,5 years15:48
Laibschthat bug 1 ...15:48
ubottuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)15:48
Riddellasac: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/kde-4.3/15:54
asacRiddell: http://tinyvid.tv/ ... those should work15:56
asacRiddell: http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/video/15:56
ArneGoetjeRiddell: do you need anything from me?16:00
RiddellArneGoetje: are .pdf files preferred modifiable form?16:00
Riddellhmm, typo16:01
ArneGoetjeRiddell: ?16:01
RiddellArneGoetje: are .odf files preferred modifiable form?16:02
Riddellno, still wrong16:02
RiddellArneGoetje: are .otf files preferred modifiable form?16:02
ArneGoetjeRiddell: for what purpose?16:02
Riddellfor making fonts16:02
ArneGoetjeRiddell: wait a moment, I'm coming over...16:03
ArneGoetjeRiddell: where are you?16:05
RiddellArneGoetje: desktop room,16:08
Riddello'connel16:08
TheMusocjwatson: Ok, so after further processing of the dependencies of pulseaudio needing bi-arch packages to allow pulse libs to be bi-arch, we have a total of 13 packages. Some were trimmed, but some have been added since then. Here is the list of source packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/247292/16:37
TheMusoQuestion is, whether this is worth pursuing.16:37
TheMusoIf so, then while I can help with some, I certainly don't think I have the time to help with all, at least not till after feature freeze.16:37
cjwatsonwith that sort of number, I guess it's a question of whether slangasek thinks multiarch will be ready enough in time to cover this much16:40
cjwatsonthis is a regression from jaunty, I'm told, and therefore it's ipso facto worth pursuing16:40
ogracjwatson, can you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/debian-cd/ubuntu once again ?16:41
TheMusocjwatson: Ok I think we could ask various teams who maintain some of those packages to help us out, and I could certainly get some of the others done, however I still have a fair bit of code to write before feature freeze, so maybe the community can help with the rest, of which I'd be happy to sponsor.16:44
cjwatsonogra: done, thanks16:47
slangasekcjwatson: mutter, mumble, <hack hack>16:47
ogracjwatson, thanks as well :)16:48
TheMusoslangasek: Heh I am not so pleased as to the not so elligant solution.16:48
TheMusoeither16:48
liw`doko, are you working on the eglibc resolver bug?16:48
slangasekTheMuso: sorry, I mean "pardon me while I hack on multiarch instead of answering"16:49
TheMusoslangasek: ah ok. :)16:49
dokoliw`: no, currently in a breakout session :-/16:50
dokoliw`: same with the debian package, so no compiler difference with 4.3/4.416:51
liw`doko, ack16:51
TheMusoWell I'll start working on packages locally, and wont' upload them till an answer is given. :)17:00
TronicWhy does a bug search for "performous" find a lot of bugs (that apparently don't contain that term)?17:17
Tronic=> how do I search for bugs related to this package?17:17
cjwatsonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/performous/+bugs17:19
TronicIs it possible to access this from UI or do I need to edit the URL?17:20
PiciTronic: Find the package in Ubuntu on Launchpad and then click on the bugs tab17:21
cjwatson(launchpad.net/ubuntu -> Find a Package)17:22
AnAntHello, is it possible for a python app using notify OSD (pynotify) to disable a certain capability ( which is truncation) ?17:26
TronicThanks, that helps :)17:29
TronicI still wonder why performous would find so many bugs, though.17:29
cjwatsonfuzzy matching? somebody's username? dunno17:29
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superm1pitti, i was just running jockey and came across bug 403925 and noticed you fixed it in rev# 364 if you want to add information to debian/changelog to close it on next upload18:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 403925 in jockey "jockey-text crashed with OSError in _execute_child()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/40392518:32
pittisuperm1: thanks! done18:51
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bigondoes anyone use cowbuilder-dist on karmic for building sid pkg?19:51
bigonbecause it doesn't work here for me19:52
Davieybigon: I just cowbuilder-dist on jaunty for building sid packages, if that helps?19:53
bigonit is working for me too on jaunty, ok I will investigate19:55
bigonthx19:55
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ebroderHas anybody ever managed to install grub onto a loop device?21:34
directhexcan't say i've ever felt the need to try21:41
dschulzhi all22:01
dschulzjust upgraded the kernel to 2.6.31-5-generic #24 and it seems there's a regression22:01
dschulzinotify is missing events22:02
azeemdschulz: sounds like something you should investigate upstream22:04
azeemjudd: kernel versions22:04
azeemhrm, wrong window, sorrrrry :)22:05
ebroderdirecthex: I'm working on a VM installer22:05
dschulzazeem: ok22:05
directhexdoko, irritating contentless ping22:54
dupondjehttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dutch/+bug/407951 <- somebody want to check this ?22:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 407951 in dutch "Sync dutch 1:1.10-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New]22:54
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sorenDo I need to file a bug to get a package synced or can a friendly archive-admin sync poldi from Debian for me?23:13
StevenKsoren: There's no Ubuntu changes, but it builds and installs fine?23:15
sorenStevenK: Yes.23:15
StevenKsoren: Synced.23:17
sorenStevenK: Thanks very much.23:17
TheMusocjwatson: I think we need to get bi-arch pulse solved ASAP, as I am already receiving bug reports from users that skype/insert app here are not working due to the pulse alsa plugin missing from /usr/lib32/alsa-lib23:18
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