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[05:39] <hdon> hey guys. i play an FPS game online occasionally. i recently switched to Ubuntu (jaunty) and i am having a problem. it seems that the sound latency is very high. my instinct tells me to blame this on the sound mixer daemon. can anyone give me advice on:
[05:39] <hdon> 1) disabling the sound mixer daemon and giving my game direct access to the audio dac
[05:39] <hdon> 2) changing options for sound mixer daemon to decrease latency
[05:40] <hdon> or 3) getting the source code for the sound mixer daemon so i can see if i can improve it
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[07:19] <ebroder> I'm working on a script to install a VM (no, none of the ones that exist work for various reasons). Does anybody know how to install grub onto a block device when, e.g., /dev is laid out differently from how it will be for the guest?
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[08:23] <alkisg> asac: I tried putting https://edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive/trunk in my sources and I still got the same problem (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/391040).
[08:23] <alkisg> But there's another problem now, the "[ ] Available to all users" checkbox is grayed out and I can't check it at all, even if I run nm-connection-editor with sudo.
[08:23] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 391040 in network-manager "When eth0 is unmanaged, system connections for other NICs aren't displayed nor used" [Medium,Triaged]
[09:17] <Keybuk> wow
[09:18] <Keybuk> the new "Add comment" not-a-button AJAXness is confusing
[10:05] <TheMuso> c
[10:22] <Keybuk> 1 program still needs to close:
[10:22] <Keybuk> (Waiting for) explorer.exe
[10:23] <Keybuk> Playing logoff sound...
[10:23] <Keybuk> To close the program that is preventing Windows from restarting,
[10:23] <Keybuk> click Cancel, and then close the program.
[10:23] <Keybuk> *seriously*
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[10:38] <directhex> Keybuk, is Windows ready for the desktop?
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[10:44] <gnarl> cjwatson, Do you know whether fb=false as a boot argument would change something within the alternate installer?
[10:45] <cjwatson> yeah, disables its use of the framebuffer
[10:47] <gnarl> cjwatson, Ok, so that is parsed there then. So the alternative is some serial mode then?
[10:48] <Daviey> talking of which.. /me wonders of the possibility of serial support in the shipped memtest :)
[10:48] <Daviey> it's a compile option now iirc
[10:49] <cjwatson> gnarl: no, plain console
[10:49] <cjwatson> UTF-8 doesn't work right in that case, so the language selection is cut way down
[10:51] <smoser> james_w, i'm told you can bump import priority of a package getting pulled into bzr launchpad.... can you do that for schroot ? ie : https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/schroot
[10:51] <cjwatson> you get only the languages that are representable within ISO-8859-1, so basically Western European languages
[10:51] <gnarl> cjwatson, Ok. Thanks for that. Seems some ati cards do not like the fbcon... but run without
[11:17] <soren> cjwatson: It doesn't look familiar, I'm afraid. I do know, though, that putting the NC on the same box as the CC/CLC is known to be "interesting".
[11:51] <TheMuso> slangasek: like your comment re reiserfsprogs. :) For some reason, I found it somewhat amusing.
[11:52] <slangasek> it leaves so much unsaid
[11:59] <directhex> i missed a joke? :(
[11:59] <james_w> smoser: I'm working on it, but found a bug I want to fix first, sorry
[11:59] <smoser> james_w, no problem
[12:02] <cjwatson> soren: bugger. I really don't want to have to wrangle multiple machines for this test. But regardless I think it's happening even before the NC is started
[12:03] <soren> cjwatson: Did you just installe the packages or did you do any of the configuration bits?
[12:04] <cjwatson> soren: I think I just installed them
[12:04] <cjwatson> (it was yesterday, moved on to iscsi today so dumped some of the swap ...)
[12:05] <cjwatson> I believe I was loosely following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Eucalyptus
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[12:30] <TheMuso> c
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[12:40] <pitti> Riddell: is this still a valid heuristics for "KDE is running"? "pgrep -x -u 1000 ksmserver"
[12:40] <pitti> Riddell: (it's currently what ubuntu-bug is testing)
[12:41] <ojwb> i'd think $UID would be better than 1000
[12:42] <pitti> ojwb: sure, it does that
[12:42] <Riddell> pitti: yes that should be fine
[12:42] <pitti> well, it uses `id -u`
[12:42] <pitti> Riddell: cheers
[12:42] <ojwb> ah
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[14:05] <cjwatson> TheMuso: Constructing pulseaudio-module-rygel-media-server--dbg_0.9.16~test3-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[14:05] <cjwatson> TheMuso: shouldn't that "--dbg" be "-dbg"?
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[14:40] <blackxored> hello everybody
[14:42] <jpds> jdstrand_: I cannot get on a wireless network after the latest apparmor upgrade on Karmic: [  154.835033] type=1503 audit(1249393261.621:28): operation="capable" pid=4104 parent=3124 profile="/sbin/dhclient3" name="net_raw"
[14:43] <directhex> can someone un-private 408499 ?
[14:48] <Pici> jpds: Is there a bug logged on that? Lots of people in #ubuntu+1 are scrambling around looking for the cause of their network woes
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[14:50] <cjwatson> Pici: the kernel team's looking at it at the moment, I believe
[14:50] <cjwatson> apw: ^-
[14:50] <Pici> cjwatson: okay :)
[14:50] <cjwatson> which isn't to say somebody shouldn't file a bug with details ...
[14:51] <Pici> Bug 408862 was logged a little bit ago
[14:51] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 408862 in network-manager "dhcp and networking failure in karmic" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/408862
[15:08] <jdstrand> jpds: known bug, it is fixed
[15:08] <jdstrand> jpds: just do /etc/init.d/apparmor stop, get networking going, then upgrade apparmor to ubuntu9
[15:09] <apw> cjwatson, the above incantation will be added to the bug shortly ...
[15:15] <jdstrand> jpds: depending on how you start networking, possibly need to also restart networkmanager
[15:23] <jpds> jdstrand: Hmm, OK; looks like ubuntu9 isn't on the gb.archive mirror.
[15:32] <slangasek> mathiaz: ok, no, mysql-dfsg-5.1 doesn't FTBFS for me on Debian/amd64
[15:33] <slangasek> mathiaz: so I guess the symbols file is correct, even if the use of yassl is gratuitous
[15:36] <mathiaz> slangasek: so does it still make sense to remove the symbols.amd64 file in Ubuntu?
[15:36] <mathiaz> slangasek: or should the file just be updated?
[15:36] <slangasek> mathiaz: remove it
[15:36] <stefanlsd> mathiaz: the symbols documentation i wrote help somewhat?
[15:37] <slangasek> stefanlsd: it's a C++ library exporting lots of garbage internal symbols - documentation is not the problem here, it's finding a sane path out :-)
[15:38] <stefanlsd> slangasek: heh. sounds messy.  oki. cool :)
[15:39] <Riddell> ArneGoetje: where are you?
[15:39] <doko> Laibsch: any reason you reset the status of bug reports form triaged to invalid without checking?
[15:39] <jdstrand> jpds: it was uploaded a couple hours ago, so it needs to propagate
[15:41] <jpds> jdstrand: Yep, thanks :)
[15:44] <ArneGoetje> Riddell: Community room
[15:44] <doko> Laibsch: you're undoing the work of the people who did triage the reports. this kind of "work" is no help
[15:44] <Laibsch> doko: yes.  how about "with the help of the OP I confirmed a couple of bugs where errouneously still left open" by just doing that?
[15:44] <Laibsch> doko: nonsense
[15:44] <Laibsch> Look at the reply in the bug
[15:45] <Laibsch> And tell me why you want to discuss this in public
[15:45] <doko> Laibsch: for bug 39068 even you can check where the file is located. then just add a comment `confirmed' or something like this
[15:45] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 39068 in bash "clear_console should be moved to ncurses-bin" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/39068
[15:46] <Laibsch> sorry, I did not really understand the issue in the bug
[15:46] <Laibsch> I'll admit that
[15:46] <Laibsch> a bug untouched for three-and-a-half years should be OK for a ping
[15:46] <mterry> w00t, upgrading-checklist is now published online: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/upgrading-checklist.txt
[15:46] <Laibsch> I'm not pinging after three month like others do
[15:46] <Laibsch> so, yes, doko, your tone was absolutely uncalled for
[15:47] <doko> Laibsch: well, you'r not touching bug 1 in the same manner, do you?
[15:47] <ubottu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)
[15:47] <Laibsch> I don't even know what to answer to that
[15:47] <Laibsch> apples and oranges doesn't even come close
[15:48] <Laibsch> I also don't think that bug hasn't had anybody make an addition for 3,5 years
[15:48] <Laibsch> that bug 1 ...
[15:48] <ubottu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Timeout)
[15:54] <Riddell> asac: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/kde-4.3/
[15:56] <asac> Riddell: http://tinyvid.tv/ ... those should work
[15:56] <asac> Riddell: http://www.mozilla.com/firefox/video/
[16:00] <ArneGoetje> Riddell: do you need anything from me?
[16:00] <Riddell> ArneGoetje: are .pdf files preferred modifiable form?
[16:01] <Riddell> hmm, typo
[16:01] <ArneGoetje> Riddell: ?
[16:02] <Riddell> ArneGoetje: are .odf files preferred modifiable form?
[16:02] <Riddell> no, still wrong
[16:02] <Riddell> ArneGoetje: are .otf files preferred modifiable form?
[16:02] <ArneGoetje> Riddell: for what purpose?
[16:02] <Riddell> for making fonts
[16:03] <ArneGoetje> Riddell: wait a moment, I'm coming over...
[16:05] <ArneGoetje> Riddell: where are you?
[16:08] <Riddell> ArneGoetje: desktop room,
[16:08] <Riddell> o'connel
[16:37] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Ok, so after further processing of the dependencies of pulseaudio needing bi-arch packages to allow pulse libs to be bi-arch, we have a total of 13 packages. Some were trimmed, but some have been added since then. Here is the list of source packages: http://paste.ubuntu.com/247292/
[16:37] <TheMuso> Question is, whether this is worth pursuing.
[16:37] <TheMuso> If so, then while I can help with some, I certainly don't think I have the time to help with all, at least not till after feature freeze.
[16:40] <cjwatson> with that sort of number, I guess it's a question of whether slangasek thinks multiarch will be ready enough in time to cover this much
[16:40] <cjwatson> this is a regression from jaunty, I'm told, and therefore it's ipso facto worth pursuing
[16:41] <ogra> cjwatson, can you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~ogra/debian-cd/ubuntu once again ?
[16:44] <TheMuso> cjwatson: Ok I think we could ask various teams who maintain some of those packages to help us out, and I could certainly get some of the others done, however I still have a fair bit of code to write before feature freeze, so maybe the community can help with the rest, of which I'd be happy to sponsor.
[16:47] <cjwatson> ogra: done, thanks
[16:47] <slangasek> cjwatson: mutter, mumble, <hack hack>
[16:48] <ogra> cjwatson, thanks as well :)
[16:48] <TheMuso> slangasek: Heh I am not so pleased as to the not so elligant solution.
[16:48] <TheMuso> either
[16:48] <liw`> doko, are you working on the eglibc resolver bug?
[16:49] <slangasek> TheMuso: sorry, I mean "pardon me while I hack on multiarch instead of answering"
[16:49] <TheMuso> slangasek: ah ok. :)
[16:50] <doko> liw`: no, currently in a breakout session :-/
[16:51] <doko> liw`: same with the debian package, so no compiler difference with 4.3/4.4
[16:51] <liw`> doko, ack
[17:00] <TheMuso> Well I'll start working on packages locally, and wont' upload them till an answer is given. :)
[17:17] <Tronic> Why does a bug search for "performous" find a lot of bugs (that apparently don't contain that term)?
[17:17] <Tronic> => how do I search for bugs related to this package?
[17:19] <cjwatson> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/performous/+bugs
[17:20] <Tronic> Is it possible to access this from UI or do I need to edit the URL?
[17:21] <Pici> Tronic: Find the package in Ubuntu on Launchpad and then click on the bugs tab
[17:22] <cjwatson> (launchpad.net/ubuntu -> Find a Package)
[17:26] <AnAnt> Hello, is it possible for a python app using notify OSD (pynotify) to disable a certain capability ( which is truncation) ?
[17:29] <Tronic> Thanks, that helps :)
[17:29] <Tronic> I still wonder why performous would find so many bugs, though.
[17:29] <cjwatson> fuzzy matching? somebody's username? dunno
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[18:32] <superm1> pitti, i was just running jockey and came across bug 403925 and noticed you fixed it in rev# 364 if you want to add information to debian/changelog to close it on next upload
[18:32] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 403925 in jockey "jockey-text crashed with OSError in _execute_child()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/403925
[18:51] <pitti> superm1: thanks! done
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[19:51] <bigon> does anyone use cowbuilder-dist on karmic for building sid pkg?
[19:52] <bigon> because it doesn't work here for me
[19:53] <Daviey> bigon: I just cowbuilder-dist on jaunty for building sid packages, if that helps?
[19:55] <bigon> it is working for me too on jaunty, ok I will investigate
[19:55] <bigon> thx
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[21:34] <ebroder> Has anybody ever managed to install grub onto a loop device?
[21:41] <directhex> can't say i've ever felt the need to try
[22:01] <dschulz> hi all
[22:01] <dschulz> just upgraded the kernel to 2.6.31-5-generic #24 and it seems there's a regression
[22:02] <dschulz> inotify is missing events
[22:04] <azeem> dschulz: sounds like something you should investigate upstream
[22:04] <azeem> judd: kernel versions
[22:05] <azeem> hrm, wrong window, sorrrrry :)
[22:05] <ebroder> directhex: I'm working on a VM installer
[22:05] <dschulz> azeem: ok
[22:54] <directhex> doko, irritating contentless ping
[22:54] <dupondje> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dutch/+bug/407951 <- somebody want to check this ?
[22:54] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 407951 in dutch "Sync dutch 1:1.10-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)." [Wishlist,New]
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[23:13] <soren> Do I need to file a bug to get a package synced or can a friendly archive-admin sync poldi from Debian for me?
[23:15] <StevenK> soren: There's no Ubuntu changes, but it builds and installs fine?
[23:15] <soren> StevenK: Yes.
[23:17] <StevenK> soren: Synced.
[23:17] <soren> StevenK: Thanks very much.
[23:18] <TheMuso> cjwatson: I think we need to get bi-arch pulse solved ASAP, as I am already receiving bug reports from users that skype/insert app here are not working due to the pulse alsa plugin missing from /usr/lib32/alsa-lib
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