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| mac_v | djsiegel1: Similar to Bug #406438 > Bug #405426 , Bug #400383 are also not papercuts per-se [not a fix for something that most users consider painful.] , they could just be design suggestions but wouldnt be part of the papercut criteria | 10:07 |
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| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 406438 in netbook-remix-launcher "Panel clock applet should show only the time by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/406438 | 10:07 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 405426 in human-gtk-theme "Remove application icons from title bars" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/405426 | 10:07 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 400383 in hundredpapercuts "Panel separator between clock and FUSA is not meaningful" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/400383 | 10:07 |
| djsiegel1 | mac_v: yes, you are right | 10:34 |
| djsiegel1 | except about the separator in the panel | 10:35 |
| djsiegel1 | all of these things are painful for me :) | 10:35 |
| djsiegel1 | but I don't think they are painful for most | 10:35 |
| djsiegel1 | except maybe the separator | 10:35 |
| djsiegel1 | which is clearly ugly and using space poorly | 10:35 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: ;p the separator also is not a papercut , but *do* remove it | 10:35 |
| djsiegel1 | mac_v: you know what, I disagree | 10:59 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: that is just a design *flaw*, i'm not sure how it improves/hampers usability?! | 11:01 |
| djsiegel1 | these things that don't seem like pains really are | 11:02 |
| djsiegel1 | djsiegel1: for example, text in title bars is not centered on the window, it's centered on the window minus the close, minimize, maximize buttons | 11:03 |
| djsiegel1 | also, folder icons in Human are off-center | 11:03 |
| djsiegel1 | most people would say that these are not pains | 11:03 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: BTW, i *never* had the separator , i removed it since i use a vertical panel ;p | 11:03 |
| djsiegel1 | but that's why we have a design team (in part), to find pains that people are not conscious of | 11:03 |
| djsiegel1 | users can't identify them | 11:03 |
| djsiegel1 | they would never report them as a paper cut | 11:04 |
| djsiegel1 | and might not agree that they are painful | 11:04 |
| djsiegel1 | it's very subtle | 11:04 |
| djsiegel1 | sometimes the users can be right | 11:04 |
| djsiegel1 | other times, something can be bad for them and they will thing it's not harmful | 11:04 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: my reasons mainly , are that this is a very minor aspect , while there are other papercuts that could be part of the 100 , this could be done apart from the papercuts... | 11:05 |
| mac_v | I'm not saying dont remove it ... DO remove it | 11:05 |
| djsiegel1 | yes I know | 11:06 |
| djsiegel1 | can you find two new paper cuts, one for r4 and one for r5? | 11:06 |
| djsiegel1 | because r4 and r5 lost two | 11:06 |
| mac_v | it's been a few days since i watched papercuts, but will try to get you something | 11:06 |
| djsiegel1 | thanks | 11:07 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: Bug #164298 , Bug #404525 | 12:39 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 164298 in ubuntu "Print to file should say "Export to PDF" instead of "Print to PDF"" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/164298 | 12:40 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 404525 in gnome-power-manager "Laptop power status notification is uninformative" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/404525 | 12:40 |
| djsiegel1 | yeah, those are good | 12:41 |
| djsiegel1 | mac_v: I think the latter is invalid | 12:41 |
| djsiegel1 | mac_v that person does not appear to be using human | 12:42 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: that is true , read the title , the notification is not informative | 12:42 |
| djsiegel1 | mac_v: I don't understand | 12:42 |
| djsiegel1 | it is notifying you of brightness change | 12:43 |
| mac_v | just shows the brightness , but not the battery power status, this was discussed in ayatana | 12:43 |
| mac_v | mailing list | 12:43 |
| mac_v | Scott has partly fixed this problem , work is alsmot done | 12:43 |
| mac_v | almost* | 12:43 |
| djsiegel1 | ok, so, when you unplug, you'd like to see the "You are now running on battery" with info about % charge, time remaining? | 12:43 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: yeah , a second bubble about the charge | 12:44 |
| mac_v | and time | 12:44 |
| djsiegel1 | have you had any feedback from devs about this? | 12:44 |
| mac_v | yeah | 12:44 |
| djsiegel1 | what did they say? | 12:45 |
| djsiegel1 | mpt is looking into his spec | 12:45 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: this depends on the work on Bug #399492 , upstream has accepted Scott's effort , and waiting for the completed patch | 12:46 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 399492 in gnome-power-manager "Feature request : Possible improvements for notifications" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/399492 | 12:46 |
| djsiegel1 | mac_v: mpt is now adding to the spec | 12:46 |
| mac_v | oh ok... | 12:46 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: Bug #394184 , the post-extraction says "Open the destination" , this could be simplified to -> "Show files" | 12:50 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 394184 in hundredpapercuts "Simplify the file roller post-extraction dialogue window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/394184 | 12:50 |
| * mpt waves to mac_v | 12:50 | |
| mac_v | mpt hi :) | 12:50 |
| djsiegel1 | mac_v: add the "Export as PDF..." bug to r4, add the unplugged notification to r5 and update appropriate bugs with a link to mpt's spec change, and add the extraction dialog bug to any round with less than ten | 12:52 |
| djsiegel1 | all are great finds! | 12:52 |
| djsiegel1 | please and thank you | 12:52 |
| djsiegel1 | mac_v: actually, I am thinking of invalidating the EoG papercut in r4 | 12:53 |
| djsiegel1 | it's very confusing | 12:53 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: i cant add milestones :( | 12:53 |
| djsiegel1 | ah, you can't add to milestones? | 12:53 |
| djsiegel1 | we need a proper papercutters team next time around | 12:53 |
| mpt | mac_v, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD?action=diff&rev2=172&rev1=170 | 12:54 |
| mac_v | djsiegel1: only the concerned devs have the privilages | 12:54 |
| mac_v | mpt: \o/ , also i'v sent a set of the notify-osd icons *vertical* to kwwii | 12:55 |
| mpt | I need to read that g-p-m bug report in more detail, it probably doesn't cover everything people commented on | 13:10 |
| mpt | In Jaunty I specced as few g-p-m changes as possible, because I was told it would soon be replaced by DeviceKit-power and therefore making major changes would be a waste of time. | 13:11 |
| * mpt -> lunch | 13:11 | |
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| mac_v | mpt: the notify-osd task *needs* to be done , the icons from the Ubuntu notify-osd are labelled different from the gnome notifications , these changes are done in notify-osd | 15:29 |
| mpt | mac_v, ah, for battery icons? | 15:30 |
| mac_v | mpt: yeah | 15:30 |
| mpt | mac_v, I see, sorry, my mistake | 15:35 |
| mac_v | mpt np... kindly reassign it | 15:35 |
| mpt | mac_v, but why are the battery icons any of Notify OSD's business? It's gnome-power-manager sending them, isn't it? | 15:37 |
| mpt | and then Notify OSD displays them just like it does for any other icon | 15:37 |
| mac_v | mpt: if the patch is written in gpm then ubuntu will have to maintain a patch over the gnome gpm , but if we patch notify-osd instead , this is easier | 15:38 |
| mac_v | mpt: similar, is already done for wireless notifications | 15:38 |
| mpt | hmmmmmm | 15:39 |
| mpt | you have a point there | 15:39 |
| mpt | If Notify OSD uses custom icons for volume, brightness, and wireless, it should for power too | 15:39 |
| hyperair | there are power notifications? | 15:39 |
| hyperair | i wasn't aware | 15:40 |
| mac_v | mpt: AFAIK all icons are changed in notify-osd , but for sure i know about wireless icons | 15:40 |
| mac_v | hyperair: we are adding power notifications | 15:40 |
| mac_v | hyperair: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD?action=diff&rev2=172&rev1=170 | 15:40 |
| hyperair | i see | 15:40 |
| hyperair | i thought it was added sometime back then removed again? | 15:40 |
| mpt | mac_v, hyperair, those power notifications come from gnome-power-manager, which has always produced them (well, at least as long as notification-daemon has been part of Gnome) | 15:43 |
| hyperair | hmm i haven't been seeing them recently | 15:45 |
| mac_v | hyperair: they were *blocked* in Ubuntu , since they were considered redundant/uninformative , but now the notifications are being changed | 16:00 |
| hyperair | aha i see | 16:00 |
| hyperair | yeah i did hear something of that sort | 16:00 |
| mac_v | hyperair: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/399492 | 16:01 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 399492 in gnome-power-manager "Feature request : Possible improvements for notifications" [Wishlist,In progress] | 16:01 |
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| mac_v | djsiegel1: Bug #407116 this is a simple fix too , the gconf must be set to 0 | 17:36 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 407116 in hundredpapercuts "The thumbnail of an image should not be bigger than the image itself" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/407116 | 17:36 |
| mac_v | nope scratch that... that causes an ugly behavior | 17:39 |
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| MDC2 | any X developer here? | 19:18 |
| MDC2 | or just someone who knows a little bit about X stuff.. | 19:18 |
| aboSamoor | Hi, I installed kde 4.3 over ubuntu and now all the notification is messed up, can you help me ? | 20:48 |
| chrisccoulson | aboSamoor - you want #ubuntu for support | 21:10 |
| aboSamoor | chrisccoulson, I am running karmic | 21:16 |
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